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Thursday, July 09, 2015

Yes. Next question

Conde Nast asks a Troubling Question to which the answer is obvious:
The Troubling Question in the French Jewish Community: Is It Time to Leave?

How can anyone be allowed to paint a swastika on the statue of Marianne, the goddess of French liberty, in the very center of the Place de la République?”

That was what the chairman of one of France’s most celebrated luxury brands was thinking last July, when a tall man in a black shirt and a kaffiyeh leapt to the ledge of Marianne’s pedestal and scrawled a black swastika. All around him, thousands of angry demonstrators were swarming the square with fake rockets, Palestinian and Hamas flags, even the black-and-white banners of ISIS. Here, barely a mile and a half from the Galeries Lafayette, the heart of bourgeois Paris, the chants: “MORT AUX JUIFS! MORT AUX JUIFS!” Death to the Jews. It was Saturday, July 26, 2014, and a pro-Palestinian demonstration turned into a day of terror in one of the most fashionable neighborhoods of the city.

“Do something! Do you see what is happening here?” the chairman said to a line of police officers watching the demonstration build to a frenzy. “What do you expect us to do?” one officer said, then looked away. For years, the chairman, a longtime anti-racism activist, has turned up at rallies like this one to see which politicians and which radical groups were present. (For reasons of personal safety, the chairman asked not to be identified for this story.) France’s endless demonstrations are a mainstay of the republic, a sacred right rooted in the legacy of Voltaire. But hate speech is a criminal offense—people may express their opinions, but not to the extent of insulting others based on their race, religion, or sex. The protest—against Israel’s Gaza policies—had been banned by the government, fearful of violence, following flare-ups in the preceding weeks. But if the police were to move in too quickly, the riots might continue all summer long—suburbs in flames, mobs in central Paris.

Photographs and videos of the swastika and its perpetrator, of protesters chanting “Kill the Jews,” and of the Palestinian, Hamas, and ISIS flags were sent in a rush to various groups in the Jewish community who assess threats. By early afternoon, some of these reached Sammy Ghozlan, a 72-year-old retired police commissioner who has spent his career working the banlieues, the belt of working-class, racially mixed suburbs that surround Paris. Ghozlan is a folk hero of the banlieues and has a nickname that is impossible to forget: le poulet cacher—“the kosher chicken.” (Poulet is slang for cop.) For 15 years, he has overseen France’s National Bureau for Vigilance Against Anti-Semitism—known by its French abbreviation, B.N.V.C.A.—a community hotline he founded that is funded by his police pension and whatever small donations he can come by. Its purpose is nothing less than to protect the Jews of France....

Two days before the Charlie Hebdo attack, Sammy announced what, to many, including me, was unthinkable: Sammy Ghozlan, proud Frenchman and the dean of Paris’s anti-Semitic crime-fighters, had joined the thousands of French Jews moving to Israel.
The Jews in Europe are doomed because they spent the last 70 years undermining European nationalism and supporting the transformation of European population demographics. That strategy was understandable, given their mid-century experience with German nationalism, but short-sighted, and its long-term failure was absolutely inevitable. That is relatively obvious now; everyone from Benjamin Netanyahu to Sammy Ghozlan has concluded that it is time for continental Jews to go home to Israel. And while the Jews in the UK aren't quite at that point yet, I expect they will be soon enough. The English have long looked with mild disapproval upon the Jews in their midst, but they simply don't hate them the way their millions of recent Polish and Muslim immigrants do.

What is much less obvious at this point is that the Jews in America appear to be similarly doomed because their elite has spent the last 50 years undermining American nationalism and supporting the transformation of America's population demographics under the mistaken impression that it would be "good for the Jews". Feeling threatened by European nationalism as a result of their experience with Germanic nationalism, a small number of elite Jews worked very hard to remove the barriers to entry that protected their people from those who hate them considerably more than Frenchmen or Americans do. In fact, some of them are still at it; consider this piece published in the National Journal:

Nearly 70 percent of Jews support comprehensive immigration reform, according to a survey released by the Public Religion Research Institute and the Brookings Institution in March 2013.... Jews have always been immigrants. We're always searching for a safe place to call home. That is one reason we are so invested in making sure that today's immigrants have the opportunity to build their lives in America like we did.

Obviously very few Jews have made what might be called the French connection between immigration and anti-semitism yet. Due to the larger Jewish population in America and the USA's bigger geography, the USA is probably 30 years behind France in this regard, but one nevertheless can observe the same process at work. The outcome is so predictable that one would almost suspect those responsible of being ruthless Zionists with the long term goal of driving all of their compatriots to Israel whether they will or no.

Even in the case of immigrants who don't have anything against Jews, groups such as the Mexicans and Chinese, the demographic tradeoff has been a negative one for the Jews because unlike the various European nations, the newcomers are totally immune to the Holocaustianity to which misbehaving Jews have tried to hide behind for decades. Forget Greenspan, Bernanke, and Yellen, even critics of Bernie Madoff, the Jewish con artist who materially harmed more Jews than any anti-semite since Adolf Hitler, were declared to be "anti-semites" by Abe Foxman of the Anti-Defamation League.

But notice that for all the wealth and power possessed by "the chairman of one of France’s most celebrated luxury brands", such things are impotent in the face of the Muslim numbers, which dwarf France's Jewish population, 5 million to 500,000. (Note to American readers who think France is being swamped by Islam: the USA has proportionately more Hispanic residents than France has Muslim residents, 52 million and 18 percent vs five million and 8 percent.)

Now nationalism is resurgent throughout Europe, everywhere from Greece and Italy to Norway and Sweden. But while those European nationalists are primarily opposed to the Jew-hating invaders, they will not lift a finger to aid or defend the Jews who have been actively attempting to suppress them for decades. Indeed, most Jews in America are still more concerned about the nationalists than they are about those who are actually calling openly for their death. The European Jews have learned better.

It is said that generals always fight the previous war. In this case, it seems apparent that the diaspora Jews were determined to fight their previous enemy rather than their current one. But it should have been obvious that any nation that is unwilling or unable to defend itself is a nation that will be equally unable to defend its guests.

That is why I expect the French policeman's response will serve as a predictive microcosm of the European and American responses to the war that the New Europeans and the New Americans are waging on their resident Jews.

“What do you expect us to do?” one officer said, then looked away.  

If the Jews in America do not wish to see America follow Europe's lead in this regard, they are going to have to do a complete 180 on immigration, do it fast, and do it hard. Regardless, I suspect an investment in Israeli real estate may be something to seriously consider as the demand for housing there is only going to grow.

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146 Comments:

Blogger George July 09, 2015 8:26 AM  

What I found very sad in that article was Mr.Ghozlan keeping a binder with lists of all the attacks against French jews. As if documenting the attacks would somehow prevent them happening in the future. If he had been wiser, he would have spent his time organizing some sort of Jewish self-defense organization. Expecting someone else to defend your people only gets you dead.

Anonymous Difster VFM #0109 July 09, 2015 8:32 AM  

Vox, now your critics will accuse you of demanding that Jews be expelled from Europe and the US and that it's their own fault.

Blogger Salt July 09, 2015 8:33 AM  

Very interesting what's happening. Makes me think of Zechariah and its relationship to Revelation, the gathering of all Israel?

Blogger Guitar Man July 09, 2015 8:38 AM  

I wonder what will become of my children and grandchildren in the next 40 years. Actually, it is possible that I'll live to see most of that given that I'm in my mid 30s. Will there be a mass migration of white Americans to places like Canada and Europe? Will America finally split into multiple countries?

Blogger HickoryHammer #0211 July 09, 2015 8:40 AM  

It has to be hard to move away from a place forever. They have my sympathy. But they set the table for disaster by cheerleading for open borders with Muslim nations.

Blogger Sherwood family July 09, 2015 8:42 AM  

Any virtue taken too far becomes a vice. The virtue of taking in and taking care of the strangers in one's midst comes from God's commands to the Israelites because they had been strangers in Egypt. Yet, the Israelites were also to keep themselves separate from the idolatrous Gentiles that surrounded them. There is wisdom in both injunctions for any nation. Taking care of the inevitable strangers that show up is a virtue. Overturning the culture and faith of one's country on behalf of those strangers is a vice. Bringing down the barriers and letting anyone who can come and bring their family with them without reference to the culture and beliefs of those who originally possessed the land leads to conquests. Examples include: the later history of the Roman Republic, after Adrianople, the conquest of Britain by the Anglo-Saxons, the conquest of America. All are examples of a small alien group establishing a beachhead and then bringing the rest of the family after them. It never ends well for the natives. The Western Empire ended, in large part because of pressure from Germanic tribes. The Britons were forced into Wales, Scotland, Ireland, and Cornwall. The Native American tribes were nearly wiped out.

Nations typically have territories. The Jewish strategy described above derives from a nation that lost theirs and their views on how other nations should deal with strangers in their midst is perhaps not a view that a nation wishing to maintain their territory should long entertain.

Blogger Alexander July 09, 2015 8:42 AM  

If Europe succeeds in getting its nuts out of the fire, why on earth would they then accept an influx of immigrants who didn't, simply on the basis that they more-or-less share a skin tone?

Anonymous RedJack #22 July 09, 2015 8:42 AM  

I have been thinking... Perhaps this is what Israel wants? Have the disporia get forced back to the holy land?

Though I have known a few native born Israeli's. They view their American and European cousins with distaste.

Anonymous Takin' a look July 09, 2015 8:42 AM  

It IS THEIR OWN FUCKIN' FAULT! Jesus Christ, it never fails, ever, any article I read on kikenvermin, anytime they speak, it's the sheer, total fuckin' narcississtic disconnect of the consequences as a result of their collective actions. And they all speak like WOMEN, trying to shift as much of the blame on.everyone else as possible.

That goy Policeman had the absolute right fuckin' attitude. Given how much the kikenvermin have done evil to us Whites...I stand with Adam Austin. No Mercy, No Quarter. But I won't have to do a single thing, the savage feral musloid hordes and non-hajnal eastern european whites will do the job.

The Chinese eat babies for magic powers and health. They LOVE the Talmud and Jew Power, LOVE and speak OPENLY of how the kikenvermin control the whole world.......they want that power.....

They hunger for it...

Blogger Alexander July 09, 2015 8:44 AM  

If Europe succeeds in getting its nuts out of the fire, why on earth would they then accept an influx of immigrants who didn't, simply on the basis that they more-or-less share a skin tone?

Blogger Cail Corishev July 09, 2015 8:44 AM  

Did Jews in France think Moslem immigrants would just hate the Jews way off in Israel without hating the Jews living right next to them? Or did they think immigrants would be so thankful for the opportunity to live in Europe that they'd spend their free time sitting quietly in their hovels practicing their French?

For such supposedly smart people, they sure were stupid about this.

American Jews might be fine, except for one thing: they just can't help themselves. Most Americans would have no idea that Jews were disproportionately influential in pushing gay marriage through the courts against the will of the people, for instance -- except that they bragged about it. When immigration becomes an openly debated issue, they'll probably expose themselves and their distance from the norm the same way. I assume they don't all do that, but the quiet ones who just want to fit in and get along are going to get burned by the arrogance of the ones who can't shut up.

Blogger Nate July 09, 2015 8:44 AM  

"Note to American readers who think France is being swamped by Islam: the USA has proportionately more Hispanic residents than France has Muslim residents, 18 percent vs 8 percent."

mexicans and muslims are a very... very different thing.

mexican culture is different from european culture. And yes... its worse.

Its nothing like the ragheads though.

Blogger Bobo #117 July 09, 2015 8:49 AM  

When the going gets tough...the tough get going.
The smart left a long time ago...

Blogger Guitar Man July 09, 2015 8:51 AM  

Nice, that didn't take long for the crazy folk to join the discussion...

Blogger PalmHarbor Dave July 09, 2015 8:55 AM  

Vox, your normally concise and factually supported logic falls far short here. You focus on one small religious/ethnic group, albeit influential, and ascribe the ills of Europe exclusively to them. Are the Socialist parties that have run Europe since WWII run by, and exclusively for European Jews? I would agree that much of the left's intellectual content comes from Jews, or more accurately, Jewish leftists. The distinction being that both Judaism and Leftism are religious ideologies and ultimately mutually incompatible. The vast majorities of the popular votes over the last 80 years in Europe were not cast by Jews but by non-Jews. Do you hold them as accountable?

Blogger Mr.MantraMan July 09, 2015 8:57 AM  

Into the fire the Palestinians are already floating the One State solution

Anonymous cheddarman July 09, 2015 8:58 AM  

Absorbing the next two waves of immigrants is going to be very expensive for Israel. However, the Gulf State Sunni's seem bent on depopulating Syria, so land might be free for the taking.

Blogger Alexander July 09, 2015 8:59 AM  

Well of course the kosher chicken left France - he went home.

Maybe he has an illustrious career of serving and protecting all the community regardless of race and religion and creed and ethnicity... but you wouldn't know it from the article except it insists this is true. "Proud Frenchman"... okay, but where, exactly?

This guy was Jewish, and his passion was protecting Jews. That's fair enough. But it doesn't make him a Frenchman in anything but the geographical sense of the word (and when the going got tough, not even that).

He finally recognized his nationality, the French will figure it out soon enough.

Blogger VD July 09, 2015 9:02 AM  

Vox, now your critics will accuse you of demanding that Jews be expelled from Europe and the US and that it's their own fault.

They already tried that. I simply observed that my position is identical to that of Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu. I'm not demanding anything. I'm simply observing and noting historical patterns.

You focus on one small religious/ethnic group, albeit influential, and ascribe the ills of Europe exclusively to them.

That's totally false. I didn't even begin to address most of the ills of Europe. The Jews aren't responsible for the monstrous debacle of the European Union, for example. The French and Germans are.

The vast majorities of the popular votes over the last 80 years in Europe were not cast by Jews but by non-Jews. Do you hold them as accountable?

Of course. But that's beside the point. They're not affected by this, they have their own problems with which they must concern themselves.

Blogger VD July 09, 2015 9:03 AM  

mexicans and muslims are a very... very different thing.

Without question. But the Muslims may actually be easier to deal with. The Mexicans are quietly ruthless. Look at the demographics of South-Central LA. It's remarkable.

Blogger Cail Corishev July 09, 2015 9:08 AM  

You focus on one small religious/ethnic group, albeit influential, and ascribe the ills of Europe exclusively to them.

No he didn't, but it's completely predictable that someone would try to reframe it that way.

The iconic image for me will always be the conservative group of Jews who, after the homosexual marriage ruling, wanted to protest it at a parade that was being held in celebration. Good for them! But they couldn't send their own members out there, because it would be inappropriate for young Jewish men to see the kind of depravity that they knew would be going on. So they hired immigrants to protest for them.

That is why they're eventually going to wear out their welcome, no matter how many Jews and non-Jews wish they wouldn't.

Anonymous LES July 09, 2015 9:14 AM  

The Jews worked with Hitler and the Nazis to get Jews to move to Palestine.

Zionist Federation of Germany

Anonymous LES July 09, 2015 9:19 AM  

Hebrew Immigration Aid Society president and CEO, Leonard Glickman who was working to bring more native Africans into America stated "The more diverse American society is the safer [Jews] are". The Neocons are vigorous supporters of immigration.

Anonymous Takin' a look July 09, 2015 9:20 AM  

Shut up you goyische kopf.

I see my world collapsing and I see jews, a ridiculously tiny minority of 15 million ALWAYS in the various woodpiles, no matter what it is. Is not like I went LOOKING for them.

It is the exact same thing as Dindu niffins. I don't despise them for their skin color, nappy hair, odd protruding ankles, low iq or dense bones.

I despise them for their collective violent, evil, sociopathic behavior far in excess of any other clade of *Homo*.

And another thing is it "Muh Hollowcost" or something that causes so many of my people to act as white knight excusers for every single evil action the jew does? Are they all friendzoned orbitiers hoping to get in his metaphorical pants?

And what the HELL is up with the damn Christians? When did they start sucking jew cock? Cyrus Scofield? Did they just take leave of their senses and forget what Our Lord Jesus Christ said of them? Was there a "special revelation" in the 1800s?

Anonymous The Obvious July 09, 2015 9:22 AM  

A quick translation from duplicitous Jew talk:

Oy Vey! De vorld hates me, what's wrong vith de vorld?

Blogger Tom Kratman July 09, 2015 9:22 AM  

Only one problem with the idea; there is no particularly good reason to believe that liberal Jews will be an asset to Israel - quite the opposite - and no particularly good reason to believe that them simply relocating will transform them from liberals to sane human human beings.

Blogger Cail Corishev July 09, 2015 9:27 AM  

But the Muslims may actually be easier to deal with.

Here in the Midwest, at least, it's very hard to convince people that mestizo immigration is a problem. Everyone thinks they're super-Catholic -- the good, quietly-devout, rosary-saying kind, that is; not the abortion-bothering, Crusade-starting kind -- and the few they've met seem like nice people. The TV says they work hard and don't expect much, and while we don't necessarily say it out loud, we do like being able to buy cheap fruit and vegetables at Walmart in January when the ground is frozen here. So maybe it's not such a bad thing if our kids have to learn a second language. If there are drug gangs coming in with them, well, we just need to get tough on crime, not hold it against the nice ones. And so on.

On the other hand, it wouldn't be that hard to get people here to vote for a moratorium on immigration from most Moslem countries. There would be some hand-wringing, but it could be done.

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 July 09, 2015 9:31 AM  

Once the last Holocaust survivor dies of old age, Jews will have little to fall back on. Already we are two generations away from the awful event and there have been worse atrocities that are just now gaining more prominence.

As for the Swastika painting on France, it was probably just some teens trying to act counter-culture. Teenagers always act against the establishment and Jews are an established and protected culture right now.

Blogger Nate July 09, 2015 9:32 AM  

Takin' A Look

go away. The grown ups are talking. When you learn to control your emotions like an adult... come back and discuss things with us.

Blogger Salt July 09, 2015 9:32 AM  

@Tom Kratman

I don't see the relevance. Israel is their country and if what Vox is pointing out, pans out... political ideologies might be the least of their worries.

Blogger Guitar Man July 09, 2015 9:34 AM  

There's always at least one butthurt white nationalist who uses these posts to whine about his misery.

Blogger Student in Blue July 09, 2015 9:35 AM  

@Takin' a look
I see my world collapsing and I see jews, a ridiculously tiny minority of 15 million ALWAYS in the various woodpiles, no matter what it is. Is not like I went LOOKING for them.

Well, maybe not in every woodpile. I can't recall the last time there was "ghetto trash" Jewry living squarely in poverty. Higher than average IQ, higher than average motivation/determination, and racewide nepotism will do that.

Anonymous BGS July 09, 2015 9:35 AM  

“What do you expect us to do, if we hurt them they will have a jewish lawyer suing us?” one officer said, then looked away.

Fixed.

Anonymous T July 09, 2015 9:38 AM  

It's very odd that Jews would support the importation of Muslims because Nazis, when they also had the Yom Kippur war, etc.

Either they believe in the magic of geographic translocation or their plan was to give the Muslims to the goyim to deal with, then escape to the Israel lifeboat after ensuring other countries were weakened by their multikult policy.

Either way, its madness. All Israel has to deter nukes is MAD...and I have a feeling the Muzzies aren't nearly as rational as the Soviets.

Anonymous Takin' a look July 09, 2015 9:44 AM  

Hello Nate,

What, I should go back to Alex Jewns, his jewish wife, three jewish kids and.his Bronfman backing?

Look, I'm tired of the eggshells we all seem to walk on whenever this subject is brought up. Why? What makes them so special?

When I see members of their Tribe telling me, a white man who had NOTHING to do with their misfortunes; to basically "die".
Not only that, but pay for my dispossession, what exactly is my reaction supposed to be?

Blogger IM2L844 July 09, 2015 9:46 AM  

Everybody wants their fair share of everything but blame.

Anonymous Jack Amok July 09, 2015 9:48 AM  

Expecting someone else to defend your people only gets you dead.

Outside of Israel, where have Jews ever done anything else?

Diaspora Jews are constantly petitioning their hosts to defend them, but at the same time constantly making the task more difficult (e.g. advocating immigration as above). So long as they don't actually have to do the job, they don't seem to care how difficult it is.

In Israel, there's no one else to do the job, they have to do it themselves.

Blogger Guitar Man July 09, 2015 9:49 AM  

Takin a Look, be ye Yankee or be ye Southron?

Blogger Tommy Hass July 09, 2015 9:50 AM  

How exactly are Mehicans better than us?

I hear they have a penchant for child molestation.

As for this, I don't wish ill on innocents, but at the same time, if there's going to be bloodshed against us, wouldn't be too disappointed if the Jews get some of it too.

Like the joke about the Pole who wished to be invaded from Chinese and Mongolians. When the Genie asked him why he wished for that, the Pole answered: "To get to Poland, they have to come over Russia."

Have to be amazed by the lack of subtlety of the muzzies there though. Can't they harm Jews in a way that is undetected and won't motivate everyone to gang up on them?

Blogger Josh July 09, 2015 9:51 AM  

Outside of Israel, where have Jews ever done anything else?

Weren't the Nazi killers in inglorious bastards Jewish?

Blogger Student in Blue July 09, 2015 9:51 AM  

Not only that, but pay for my dispossession, what exactly is my reaction supposed to be?

Your reaction is to not let your emotions control you, and make wise, rational decisions. Men acting on emotion are destroyed all too easily by their enemies.

Blogger Josh July 09, 2015 9:52 AM  

How exactly are Mehicans better than us?

I hear they have a penchant for child molestation.


Rotterdam?

Blogger VD July 09, 2015 9:52 AM  

When I see members of their Tribe telling me, a white man who had NOTHING to do with their misfortunes; to basically "die". Not only that, but pay for my dispossession, what exactly is my reaction supposed to be?

I don't know or care. The point is that no one is doing that here, so shut up and stop whining. We're not interested in your feelings or solving your problems. This is not your blog and your feelings are not the topic.

Blogger Josh July 09, 2015 9:53 AM  

What, I should go back to Alex Jewns, his jewish wife, three jewish kids and.his Bronfman backing?

Actually I was thinking veterans today...

Blogger VD July 09, 2015 9:53 AM  

How exactly are Mehicans better than us?

Tequila. Enough said.

Blogger Student in Blue July 09, 2015 9:58 AM  

@Tommy Hass
How exactly are Mehicans better than us?

Well, at 18 percent of the population they haven't caused as much of a ruckus as the 8 percent-population Muslims over there.

I hear they have a penchant for child molestation.

Have you not heard about the child trafficking rings in Britain being covered up by police?

Blogger VD July 09, 2015 10:00 AM  

Actually, Tommy, the real reason is that the Mexicans basically just want their historic lands in the American Southwest back. Islam wants to expand and rule over the entire world. And that's not happening.

Blogger Marissa July 09, 2015 10:00 AM  

How exactly are Mehicans better than us?

I hear they have a penchant for child molestation.


The lack of self-awareness here is...Muslims practically worship a child molester and their disgusting sexual practices from Rotterdam to bacha bazi (sp?) are littered from here to kingdom come.

The last I've read of sexual abuse statistics of parents against their children is, from highest to lowest, black -> Hispanic -> white. Hispanics certainly do it more than whites. Rape is likely in the same category. And the ragheads are thrown in with the whites in the U.S.

Blogger Tommy Hass July 09, 2015 10:01 AM  

Raki exists. It's basically ouzo but w/e...

Aren't you too much of a redskin to be enjoying the firewater like that?

"Rotterdam?"

This was meant to be read as "have a penchant for child molestation, TOO"

Anonymous Takin' a look July 09, 2015 10:04 AM  

I stand on the Continental Divide and piss on y'all.

Anonymous BGS July 09, 2015 10:05 AM  

"mexican culture is different from european culture. And yes... its worse" "How exactly are Mehicans better than us".

Mexico's age of consent is 12, Mecca's is 6 and they rape 1st world children accordingly.

Not only that, but pay for my dispossession, what exactly is my reaction supposed to be?

Turns out you paid for a car for the Boston Marathon Moslems https://refugeeresettlementwatch.wordpress.com/2015/07/08/you-pay-into-refugees-savings-accounts-contractors-manage-the-money/

Jews were disproportionately influential in pushing gay marriage through the courts against the will of the people

Gay marriage hurts jews more than anyone else, have you ever had to listen to a Jewish woman?

distinction being that both Judaism and Leftism are religious ideologies and ultimately mutually incompatible.

The worse jews are all secular, their religion is leftism.

serving and protecting all the community regardless of race and religion and creed and ethnicity

I would bet anyone of any ethnicity that said jews are behind flooding the nation with 3rd world scum would have been arrested by him.

Anonymous Takin' a look July 09, 2015 10:07 AM  

+1 to you and The Obvious

Blogger Sam July 09, 2015 10:09 AM  

Republican candidates and Jewish backers:

http://www.jta.org/2015/04/20/news-opinion/politics/who-are-the-republican-candidates-jewish-donors#.VZ56Itsobac.twitter

Blogger Tommy Hass July 09, 2015 10:11 AM  

"The lack of self-awareness here is...Muslims practically worship a child molester and their disgusting sexual practices from Rotterdam to bacha bazi (sp?) are littered from here to kingdom come."

Oh come on. sex with barely pubescent girls was not uncommon in that time. Plenty of biblical persons would've been "meh" about it.

Bacha bazi is something happening in Afghanistan. You cherry pick. In my country, people like that would get lynched brutally.

I don't completely disagree with you though.

"Actually, Tommy, the real reason is that the Mexicans basically just want their historic lands in the American Southwest back. Islam wants to expand and rule over the entire world. And that's not happening."

Well, ou are not wrong. That sentiment is not a figment of your imagination. Selim the Grim said as much (father of Suleiman the Magnificent) But it isn't something that many people are conscious of among the moslem community.

I was expecting an answer with regards to actual behavior. I have never heard a muzzie talk about how he hopes for world domination IYKWIM.

Anonymous Samuel Scott July 09, 2015 10:11 AM  

Tom,

Only one problem with the idea; there is no particularly good reason to believe that liberal Jews will be an asset to Israel - quite the opposite - and no particularly good reason to believe that them simply relocating will transform them from liberals to sane human human beings.

The majority of American and European Jews who are left-of-center turn right-of-center after living here for a few years and inevitably experiencing their first war. It's probably not surprising that learning about something via books and college professors and news reports is not the same as actually being there.

Anonymous Jourdan July 09, 2015 10:12 AM  

@ VD

Without question. But the Muslims may actually be easier to deal with. The Mexicans are quietly ruthless. Look at the demographics of South-Central LA. It's remarkable.

I encourage everyone not to just note Vox's words in this comment, but take 10 minutes and do some computer research on what he is very accurately saying here.

In a span of only a few years, Mexicans conducted a ruthless, vicious campaign of local genocide, localized ethnic cleansing (and, no, I am not kidding) in the most historic african neighborhoods in Los Angeles and won that war.

They did this with virtually no national and zero international news coverage.

Their tactics included not only the usual drug gang vs drug gang turf wars, but the deliberate killing of middle-class, working-class, law-abiding decent africans, pour encourager les autres.

This included the deliberate targeting for slaughter, by knives, of african students who had legitimately made valedictorian at their high schools.

Don't take my word for it, go ahead: do some research.

And then let it sink in that due to the alliance of the Party of Business (R) and the Party of Govt (D), this is coming right at you, in world historic numbers. This won't just be about some faraway place, crazy old LA, who gives a shit about la-la-land anyway?

No, it will be your homes, your houses, your neighborhoods, your towns.

And then we'll discover if all this Don't Tread on Me flag waiving gun-toting Patriotard shit is just talk, of if we Euro-Americans still have the balls of our ancestors. I suspect the latter, if only because it's already happened and there was no resistance on the ground by a single person.

Blogger Josh July 09, 2015 10:12 AM  

In my country, people like that would get lynched brutally.

Or gassed, or shoved into an oven...

Blogger Tommy Hass July 09, 2015 10:13 AM  

"Mexico's age of consent is 12, Mecca's is 6 and they rape 1st world children accordingly."

It's 9 and then they have to be checked if they are physically developed enough for it. But close.

Anonymous Takin' a look July 09, 2015 10:13 AM  

Again, +1 thank you BGS

Anonymous zen0 July 09, 2015 10:14 AM  

19. VD

That's totally false. I didn't even begin to address most of the ills of Europe. The Jews aren't responsible for the monstrous debacle of the European Union, for example. The French and Germans are.

Interesting point of historical speculation however, is the person called The Father of Modern Europe, French statesman Robert Schuman could well have been a Marrano from Luxembourgh. The idea of a supranational organization for Europe was his.

Ostensibly Catholic, the Marranos practice Catholicism in public, and Judaism at home.

Haven't been able to prove it yet, of course.

He achieved major prominence for sounding the alarm about German treatment of Jews . The mystery surrounds how he got so much information about what was going on.

Holocaust Remembrance Day: Schuman’s warning of the Nazi extermination of the Jews. How it led to Europe’s Convention of Human Rights and the supranational Community.

Blogger David-093 July 09, 2015 10:17 AM  

"For years, the chairman, a longtime anti-racism activist, has turned up at rallies like this one to see which politicians and which radical groups were present."

I feel no sympathy for this cretin. And yet, I don't think they should leave, I think they should be forced to stay and endure what the French and all the other European countries will have to because of their post-war behavior.

Blogger Tommy Hass July 09, 2015 10:22 AM  

"I feel no sympathy for this cretin. And yet, I don't think they should leave, I think they should be forced to stay and endure what the French and all the other European countries will have to because of their post-war behavior."

Peaceful repatriation?

Blogger Josh July 09, 2015 10:23 AM  

I stand on the Continental Divide and piss on y'all.

Brokeback mountain?

Anonymous Takin' a look July 09, 2015 10:23 AM  

Yeah, isn't that the one where the half-jew Gordon Duff flat-out admittted he mixes in 50% disinfo(as if the ufo looneytunes wasn't enough)Why eat a pizza covered in shit?

Blogger Joel #0164 July 09, 2015 10:23 AM  

Oh come on. sex with barely pubescent girls was not uncommon in that time.

Nine-year-olds aren't typically pubescent at all, let alone "barely."

Blogger Tommy Hass July 09, 2015 10:24 AM  

"
Their tactics included not only the usual drug gang vs drug gang turf wars, but the deliberate killing of middle-class, working-class, law-abiding decent africans, pour encourager les autres. "

Why didn't the darkies fight back? Or rather, why did they lose so decisively? I don't think this kind of war requires that high level of organisation and logistics.

This actually pisses me off.

Blogger Tommy Hass July 09, 2015 10:25 AM  

"Nine-year-olds aren't typically pubescent at all, let alone "barely.""

It's 9-13. 9 is the lower bound, which is why the cite it so often.

Anonymous Jourdan July 09, 2015 10:26 AM  

@ VD -

Actually, Tommy, the real reason is that the Mexicans basically just want their historic lands in the American Southwest back.

This is true, but there are some important facts that also need to be considered along side this factual statement, which are of significant relevance:

1) Mexico's claim to the American Southwest it lost to the United States devolved to Mexican rule from Spanish claims, claims which were never universally recognized. In many cases, it was merely a 12-man expedition passing through and giving places names and claiming them for Spain in the name of God and the King. Further, as the Vancouver and Sir Francis Drake expeditions had already claimed the Pacific Coast right up from around present-day Rosarita, Baja all the way up to what is today Vancouver Island in British Columbia, OUR royal ancestors were first in claim and right in any case, if one accepts this sort of claim as having legal force.

2) Additionally, and more importantly, Spain did not settle any of these lands in any serious manner. The most significant settlements were the string of Catholic Missions up through California to San Francisco, and these settlements were of a religious character with a religious mission rather than building new Spanish settlements.

3) When Mexico inherited the claim by default when it acquired its independence, it discovered that "its" lands were almost entire devoid of Mexicans and by far the largest group present in them were Anglo-Americans, who, unlike the Spanish, had built actual settlements, roads, farms, towns, militias, etc.

4) Mexico attempted to counter-act the facts on the ground by the classic Spanish tactic of Latifundia, i.e. the awarding of HUGE ranches to wealthy landowners in Mexico City who were politically connected. Not surprisingly, only a few of these newly-minted rancheros actually took possession of their lands.

5) In Texas, Mexican attempts to deal with the Anglo-Americans there ended up in a military conflict, and Mexico lost, fair and square. I don't know much about this, I'll let the Lone Stars speak for themselves.

6) In California, by contrast, those same Mexican rancheros *joined* with the Anglo-Americans to form the California Republic. Thus, Mexico did not just lose historic land to the Americans, it lost it to a joint rebellion of Americans and its own citizens. And it lost them for good reason: they didn't really rule the territory in anything other than Spain's old "plant the flag" sense.

6) The rest of the land lost was still largely empty and Mexico knew it couldn't hold them if they couldn't hold Tejas and California, and for good reason: again, their sovereignty over that land was more theory than practice.

Anonymous Jourdan July 09, 2015 10:29 AM  

@ Tommy

Contrary to public myth, africans aren't very good fighters. As I discovered at a young age, unless there are 10 of them and they are armed, one determined man can kick the shit out of them. If there is only one or two of them, it's not contest. Blacks are all about large numbers. Get them in a fight that is essentially small-unit fights and they'll lose, and lose badly.

They had some drive-by revenge (a tactic which itself is evidence of a cowardly nature), but by and large got their asses stabbed or shot right off.

Blogger Tommy Hass July 09, 2015 10:29 AM  

What suprises me is how you legtimize genocide because God ordered it, but sex with a girl that is too young is too much?

Objectively speaking, both are wrong, but if "God was on our side, so it's ok" works to legitimie GENOCIDE, it might legitimize that too, no?

Anonymous Takin' a look July 09, 2015 10:29 AM  

Known about this since the early aughts, just not in this sort of chilling detail. Thank you Jourdan.

I think you meant "former" in that last paragraph. The Aztecs are blood thirsty and worship death to an extreme.

Blogger Chris Mallory July 09, 2015 10:33 AM  

"Tommy, the real reason is that the Mexicans basically just want their historic lands in the American Southwest back."

That argument might work for New Mexico and California. But the red savages kept the Mexicans out of the rest of the Southwest until the White Man conquered the territory.

Blogger Cail Corishev July 09, 2015 10:34 AM  

And what the HELL is up with the damn Christians?

I can't speak for other Christians, but for Catholics, it all changed at Vatican II with Nostra aetate, which did a 180 on the Church's attitude toward Jews (and other religions, but the Jews were what it was about. The original title was Decretum de Judaeis, then they added some stuff about Hindus and Moslems to make it more ecumenical). Almost overnight, we went from praying for their conversion to professing, as Francis does, that the Old Covenant is still in force and salvific for them.

If you study the history of the Church prior to 1962 at all, especially the many papal encyclicals that outlined how Christians should deal with Jews living among them, it's quite eye-opening. Short version: don't molest them, convert them when you can, but otherwise stay separate from them and don't let them into positions of authority or influence over you. Every time leaders of Christian nations ignored those instructions, it went badly.

Anonymous Takin' a look July 09, 2015 10:36 AM  

I don't herd sheep.

Anonymous Takin' a look July 09, 2015 10:40 AM  

Yes, that is more or less the Byzantine code and even we protestants understood that.

Thank you Cail Corashev

Anonymous Jourdan July 09, 2015 10:44 AM  

@zen0

With respect, sir, you are wrong, very wrong, and Vox is correct. There was nothing Jewish about the establishment of the EU in the least. The driving intellectual father of the process was, by a clear country mile, Frenchman Jean Monnet, who is as French, French, French, Catholic French as a man can get.

Lesser known, but almost as influential intellectually, was Gilles duBray, a small time govt bureaucrat for DeGaulle who wrote a hugely influential piece about the need for DeGaulle to construct a "Latin Union" (France, Spain, Italy, all of Latin America) as the new Cold War demonstrated that only a power with the manpower, industrial and financial resources of a huge empire could remain competitive as a world power.

It was the merging of these two ideas and the break-through against the Clemenseau-faction allowing reapproachement with Germany that allowed the EU to evolve.

You can search and search and search the leaders, the movers, the thinkers, the shakers all you want: Catholics and Lutherans all.

Anonymous Jourdan July 09, 2015 10:49 AM  

@ Takin a Look

The Aztecs are blood thirsty and worship death to an extreme.

Yup, and their "Christianity" is skin deep. Scratch a Mexican and you'll find an Aztec, and they've never lost their taste for beating hearts held in their hands. Even their own precious Catholic Church, which has been their active partner in crime (yes, crime, suck it Catholics) now has been forced to admit this, as it's become so open that they had to say something about it.

Source: La Stampa. Link: http://vaticaninsider.lastampa.it/en/world-news/detail/articolo/messico-mexico-mexico-24714/

It is a “blasphemous” cult, “a degeneration of religion.” These were the words Cardinal Ravasi, the President of the Pontifical Council for Culture used to condemn the widespread worship of Santa Muerte, or Holy Death, which is particularly popular in areas of Mexico affected by criminal violence committed by drug cartels. Speaking at a series of events for believers and non-believers in Mexico City, Cardinal Ravasi spoke out against a cult which is a mix of indigenous Latin American beliefs and the Christian tradition of venerating saints introduced by Catholic missionaries after the Spanish conquest of Mexico. Santa Muerte is depicted as a fancily dressed female skeleton. People worship La Santa Muerte at home, placing a figure of the saint on an altar, surrounded by offerings in the form of candles, food, drinks (e.g. tequila) and even drugs (e.g. marijuana). They invoke her by reciting a prayer and asking for favours. In general these are favours other saints cannot grant and the gifts offered would be completely inappropriate if offered to other saints.

Cardinal Ravasi called these practices “anti-religious”, adding: “Religion celebrates life, but here you have death. It's not religion just because it's dressed up like religion; it's a blasphemy against religion.” This is especially true if one considers that the cult is most popular in parts of Mexico where there drug cartel violence reigns supreme. The cardinal stressed that in a country where an estimated 70 thousand people died of drug-related violence in the past six years, a clear message had to be sent out to young people: "The mafia, drug trafficking and organised crime don't have a religious aspect and have nothing to do with religion, even if they use the image of Santa Muerte.”

There are no statistics on how many people worship the saint but places of worship keep on sprouting up in Mexico and within Mexican communities in the U.S. In recent years, there have been some worrying incidents surrounding the cult. For example, in March 2012, two children and a woman were killed in the state of Sonora (on the U.S.-Mexico border), by a group of eight people who admitted they had poured their blood round an altar dedicated to the saint, to ask her for protection.

Despite evangelizers’ attempts to uproot this indigenous tradition, it actually grew stronger, although it has been transformed over the centuries.


Never heard about this either, Americans? Curious.

Don't worry. Mexico has only 56 consulates in the United States. I'm sure there is nothing much going on.

Anonymous BGS July 09, 2015 10:53 AM  

"It's 9 and then they have to be checked if they are physically developed enough for it."

What are the qualifications/pay for that job? Roman Polanski hymen inspector at your service.

American and European Jews who are left-of-center turn right-of-center after living here

I imagine its because the majik works racist anti Semite no longer provide them with an easy living.

Nine-year-olds aren't typically pubescent at all, let alone "barely."

I am actually going to support Tommy on this one, because of racial differences 44% of 8 yo black girls have hit puberty23 percent of the 7-year-old black girls had started puberty. Like math and crime there is a pattern Asian<white<<<<<<brown<<<<<<<black.
http://blog.23andme.com/23andme-research/genetics-puberty-and-african-american-girls/
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/38600414/ns/health-childrens_health/t/growing-too-soon-puberty-strikes--year-old-girls/#.VZ6KFmd3uUk


OpenID everybodyhatesscott July 09, 2015 10:56 AM  

Here in the Midwest, at least, it's very hard to convince people that mestizo immigration is a problem. Everyone thinks they're super-Catholic -- the good, quietly-devout, rosary-saying kind, that is; not the abortion-bothering, Crusade-starting kind -- and the few they've met seem like nice people. The TV says they work hard and don't expect much, and while we don't necessarily say it out loud, we do like being able to buy cheap fruit and vegetables at Walmart in January when the ground is frozen here.
I'm from the midwest and have worked with plenty of Mexicans (10 years ago or so) and the vast experience with them is exactly this. They litter and they steal more than whites but they seem like nice people and are hard workers. Don't get me wrong, I'm not under the illusion that importing millions more of them is a good idea but I do sort of understand why mid westerners are so blind to the problem.

Blogger Marissa July 09, 2015 11:01 AM  

Oh come on. sex with barely pubescent girls was not uncommon in that time. Plenty of biblical persons would've been "meh" about it.

In reference to Rotterdam, if men were marrying 12-16 year-old girls with their and their fathers' permission, it would be an entirely different state of affairs. But that's not what they were doing - they were raping these girls, pimping them out, and browbeating the police and public with cries of racism in order not to be punished for this heinous crime.

And again, the warlord Mohammed is a pedophile and a billion people on this planet think that's perfectly fine. 9 years old isn't pre-pubescent.

Anonymous Joe July 09, 2015 11:03 AM  

Poles don't hate Jews. Poles can just be very vocal about Jews, but it ends there. And plenty of Poles still love the Jews and still buy newspapers such as the left wing Gazeta Wyborcza, the newspaper Western outlets often cite when formulating their opinion of Polish people. Right leaning Jews (such as Mrs Appelbaum) are also supported with many such persons in the Polish reactionary camp.

In addition Poland will be making reparation payments to Israel and Poland is one of Israel's closest allies, according to the Israelis. There's a new museum of Jewish history in Poland and there are also Jewish cultural festivals in Poland too.

http://wiadomosci.wp.pl/kat,1342,title,Reuwen-Riwlin-Polska-jest-jednym-z-najblizszych-przyjaciol-Izraela,wid,16993493,wiadomosc.html?

Blogger Marissa July 09, 2015 11:05 AM  

Never heard about this either, Americans? Curious.

I've heard of this and see the iconography everywhere in Texas. I've even seen it disgustingly applied to the Blessed Virgin. There is no such thing as "Saint Death" in the Catholic Church and the pathetically weak and traitorous church leadership (with some exceptions, like the Cardinal above) refuse to address it here or elsewhere. I attend an exclusively Traditional Latin Mass parish which is roughly 30% Hispanic and that kind of stuff doesn't fly with them. Incidentally, these same people have said to me some incredibly, um, unrepeatable things about black folks. Not in a mean or spiteful way, but in a matter-of-fact, "duh" kind of way.

Blogger Oliver Cromwell July 09, 2015 11:12 AM  

I don't think Hispanics do hate Jews. I see the connection to immigration in Europe but in America it is weak. I suspect that Israel will eventually lose its war with Palestine (i.e. its war with the Western left) and America will be the final homeland for the vast majority of Jews.

Anonymous 11B July 09, 2015 11:32 AM  

Did Jews in France think Moslem immigrants would just hate the Jews way off in Israel without hating the Jews living right next to them? Or did they think immigrants would be so thankful for the opportunity to live in Europe that they'd spend their free time sitting quietly in their hovels practicing their French?

Cail, maybe they thought brining in muslim immigrants would be like old times. There were periods when Jews welcomed muslims invaders, such as when they came to rule over Spain. The Ottomans even invited Jews to help rule over the Greeks.

But today the muslims get sidetracked over Israel. If muslims were smart they'd realize Israel can and should be put on the back burner while they take the grandest prize of them all, Europe. If they were smart they'd befriend the Jews for the next hundred years until they have firmly taken root in Europe. Once Europe is theirs, they could turn their attention to Israel. But they seem too dumb to realize this.

Anonymous Suindara July 09, 2015 11:37 AM  

One of the best things about being an immigrant is that you always have a country to come back to if your new country gets ruined.

Anonymous 11B July 09, 2015 11:47 AM  

...we do like being able to buy cheap fruit and vegetables at Walmart in January when the ground is frozen here

Cail, not having mestizos in the USA is immaterial to having cheap fruit and vegetables in January. Here in Missouri, the local grocers sell Chilean and Argentinian blueberries in January. That fruit is probably picked by mestizos, but they are thousands of miles away. Even during the summer much of my fruit seems to come from Mexico.

Mestizos can best serve our food needs in their own nations. Plus it would give those nations added revenue via trade.

Blogger Alexander July 09, 2015 11:49 AM  

we do like being able to buy cheap fruit and vegetables at Walmart in January when the ground is frozen here

11B nails it. Consider. If the ground here is frozen, then the Aztlans aren't producing cheap food out of it.

Anonymous DNW July 09, 2015 11:50 AM  

" ... consider this piece published in the National Journal"

I read and considered it. Reading that was very disquieting. Perhaps because it was stated so blatantly. She happily admits what anti-Semites have been claiming for years: the fundamental incompatibility of functioning classical political liberty and (at least Talmudic ) Judaism.

If people actually felt and thought that way in the recent past, they were usually not quite so brazen in saying it; or used a more purely secular and less cultural and religious pretext for laying their claims against others and boasting of their program of undermining our political liberty.

Those who wanted to sociopolitically shackle us through law to the fate of others, usually claimed fascism, or socialism, or communism as their motives and justification, not Jewishness.

You were considered as at loggerheads with secular ideas, not religions, persons, or phenotypes which boasted of being subversive per se.

The last case I can think of even somewhat like this was social gospel protestantism; which was as much socialism as it was degenerate Congregationalism and Presbyterianism; and which was not so definably "ethnically" motivated in quite the same sense.

Her's however was essentially an admission, no, a proclamation, that because of what she is, she is at war with classical liberalism, constitutional government, and ultimately, with the value of personal liberty ... in a pretty much unconditional and existential sense.

" One of Judaism's central teachings is to "welcome the stranger," to offer shelter to those in need and to accept those who we perceive to be different from us. Contrary to the individualistic, go-it-alone attitude that has prevented our country from making progress on many pressing social issues in recent years, Jews believe that our fates are bound up in one another—that we're all in this together. Put in a different way, we are responsible for each other ..."

There is no negotiating with someone with that attitude, since there is nothing to negotiate in the matter of blending a classically free system, with a totalizing termite-like life-way. She craves a fundamentally different, less free social and political system; one guaranteeing less personal autonomy and less scope for individual choice and action.

I hope that she is quickly repudiated by those who nominally share her ostensible faith. And I emphasize ostensible here, since she could just be deploying Judaism as a ideological or "religousy" pretext to cover other motives or impulses.

Who knows. She might want to bring the temple down on their heads too.

Imbibing modern liberalism has more or less killed off "Mainline Protestantism". Perhaps it will have the same effect on her kind of "Jewishness".

Blogger Chris Scena July 09, 2015 11:53 AM  

Vox, FYI, Clamps is quoting this post over at Brad Torgersen's blog. Not sure if that breaks whatever restrictions he has had placed on him, but thought you should know.

Blogger Cail Corishev July 09, 2015 12:05 PM  

Cail, not having mestizos in the USA is immaterial to having cheap fruit and vegetables in January.

You and I know that, but most of my neighbors don't. Maybe I should have used "cheap milk" as the example, since the dairy industry now insists it needs immigrant workers to put milkers on cows. Point is, most of my Midwestern neighbors think we need all these immigrants because if we don't have them, either a lot of important work won't get done, or it will cost so much that they won't be able to afford nice things anymore.

Anonymous Suindara July 09, 2015 12:12 PM  

"One of Judaism's central teachings is to "welcome the stranger," to offer shelter to those in need and to accept those who we perceive to be different from us. "

But why only welcome strangers in other people's countries and not on your own?

Anonymous 11B July 09, 2015 12:18 PM  

Point is, most of my Midwestern neighbors think we need all these immigrants because if we don't have them, either a lot of important work won't get done, or it will cost so much that they won't be able to afford nice things anymore.

I don't disagree that most people are ignorant. But if you check the prices, you really don't pay that much more nowadays for imported fruit. For example, I notice that the Chilean blueberries during the winter are not much more expensive than the US blueberries in the summer. My store carries oranges from Australia in the winter that are comparably priced with summertime Florida oranges.

Think about that. Fruit that is picked in the southern hemisphere in first world nations like Australia can be shipped thousands of miles to the US and is still priced similarly to fruit picked by illegal labor 700 miles from where I live. It tells me that the US producers are raking in the profit.

Anonymous friendo July 09, 2015 12:27 PM  

To second Joe's points:

Poles' attitude toward Jews is very different from the Mussulman one, to the point where I would never put the two in the same sentence except to contrast them. Myself, and most Poles I know, would gladly have good relations with the Jews, but we also believe this requires two preconditions:

1. Jews stop lying about Poles
2. Poles stop telling the truth about Jews

Neither is likely.

Contrast that with the "Death to Jews" attitude of European Mussulmans and...

In the UK, the Polish immigrants have been somewhat of a whipping boy precisely because they are such a safe target. They don't do violent, mass protests. They don't rape dozens of girls with complicity from government officials and the police. They don't have Polish priests who collect welfare for their extended families and then show up on UK TV shows to berate the British about diversity, inclusivity, respect etc. The fact that Polish immigrants are the marked, safe target of anti-immigrant sentiment in the UK is basically another form of humiliating the British. The British cannot criticize the immigrants that are actually causing them harm - they can only criticize the relatively good Polish, Christian immigrants. The dreaded word Mussulman still cannot be spoken... and the British go along with this humiliation...

Anonymous Boomer "bafoon"[sic] "validictorian"[sic] July 09, 2015 12:33 PM  

"go away. The grown ups are talking. When you learn to control your emotions like an adult... come back and discuss things with us."

Apparently the "grown ups" are a group of drunkard Alabaman house-husbands. Good luck with that sort of authority precious.

Blogger Rabbi B July 09, 2015 12:39 PM  

"One of Judaism's central teachings is to "welcome the stranger," to offer shelter to those in need and to accept those who we perceive to be different from us. "

The general idea is more to avoid mistreating the stranger.

" . . . Jews believe that our fates are bound up in one another—that we're all in this together. Put in a different way, we are responsible for each other ...""

Point of clarification and original context: Jews are responsible for other Jews. Any attempt to apply these "central teachings" to the entire non-Jewish world is misleading.

There is an entire context and understanding that is conveniently missing from this analysis.

Blogger Cail Corishev July 09, 2015 12:49 PM  

But if you check the prices, you really don't pay that much more nowadays for imported fruit.

Agreed. For that matter, I've done the math before, and if the immigrant workers in the USA were all replaced with well-paid Americans tomorrow, it wouldn't change people's grocery bills as much as they fear. The labor cost of food just isn't that big a percentage when compared to trucking, refrigeration, processing, packaging, advertising, etc.

Blogger njartist July 09, 2015 12:57 PM  

@3. Salt July 09, 2015 8:33 AM

Very interesting what's happening. Makes me think of Zechariah and its relationship to Revelation, the gathering of all Israel?

The gathering of Judah is not the gathering of Israel.

Blogger Marissa July 09, 2015 1:13 PM  

Apparently the "grown ups" are a group of drunkard Alabaman house-husbands. Good luck with that sort of authority precious.

You should also make sure to tell him you won't have sex with him.

Anonymous clk July 09, 2015 1:16 PM  

"Never heard about this either, Americans? Curious. ...I've heard of this and see the iconography everywhere in Texas."

I believe La Santa Muerte is actually based on a European spanish folk " death saints" - La Parca -- during the black plague ...derived from earlier myths associated with the three women of the fates. I seen other stories which place an African basis on this myth. Who knows what is true ? ... but I do know that the present RCC is completely against La Santa Muerte.

Anonymous Curious but not an SJW July 09, 2015 1:27 PM  

I cannot say I am sorry this guy had a terminal experience with diversity.

Blogger Tom Kratman July 09, 2015 1:30 PM  

Salt:

IS Israel their country? Really? What I'm suggesting is that Israel would be wise not to let liberals or leftists of any stripe, Jewish or otherwise, in.

Blogger Corvinus July 09, 2015 2:07 PM  

If the Jews in America do not wish to see America follow Europe's lead in this regard, they are going to have to do a complete 180 on immigration, do it fast, and do it hard.

I noticed Billy Kristol did just that a year or two ago.

Blogger Eraser July 09, 2015 2:07 PM  

@VD:
The Jews in Europe are doomed because they spent the last 70 years undermining European nationalism and supporting the transformation of European population demographics. That strategy was understandable,...

Vox, I'd like to see the evidence for the level of Jewish influence you're suggesting here. It seems you're exaggerating it to the point of scapegoating.

Merely pointing at pro-immigration and anti-nationalist Jews is not evidence. Jews make up much less than 1% of the population of Europe, even less after WW2 (for obvious reasons), so the sane and reasonable assumption is that European leftists and progressives got Europe to its current state, without any Jewish "help".

Blogger Marissa July 09, 2015 2:33 PM  

Jews make up much less than 1% of the population of Europe, even less after WW2 (for obvious reasons), so the sane and reasonable assumption is that European leftists and progressives got Europe to its current state, without any Jewish "help".

What percentage of the media-big business-political cabal do they make up? No one is denying Gentiles didn't follow or participate in this nonsense. But they are also not the primary target of these hostile immigrants either.

Anonymous Bz July 09, 2015 2:40 PM  

Please note that Rotherham, UK != Rotterdam, NL. Just to avoid confusing future generations of readers.

Anonymous Shut up rabbit July 09, 2015 3:05 PM  

Its Rotherham (UK) not Rotterdam (NL) where the systematic muslim pedophila occured while the police and social service turned a blind eye (although I'm not sure Rotterdam is much better)

Anonymous BGS July 09, 2015 3:11 PM  

I cannot say I am sorry this guy had a terminal experience with diversity.

He might have been trying to pick up rough trade.

Jews make up much less than 1% of the population

30% of supreme court justices, own 80%+ of all media, lead debt/finance, feminist & gay orgs.

Anonymous The Obvious July 09, 2015 3:17 PM  

I'd like to see the evidence for the level of Jewish influence you're suggesting here

Read Culture of Critique by Kevin McDonald (free version online) to learn more about this issue in general.

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Blogger Sam July 09, 2015 3:18 PM  

Douglas Rushkoff, author of "Nothing Sacred" explains:

"The thing that makes judaism dangerous to everybody – to every race, to every nation, to every idea – is that we smash things that aren’t true. We don’t believe in the boundaries of nation states, we don’t believe in the ideas of these individual gods that protect individual groups of people, these are all artificial constructions and judaism really teaches us how to see that.

"In a sense our detractors have us right, in that we are a corrosive force. We’re breaking down the false gods of all nations and all people because they’re not real, and that’s very upsetting to people."

Having been raised in a very Zionist church, organized Jewish influence is a very uncomfortable thing to deal with. However, when one looks into the falsification of modern anthropology (Boaz, Gould, etc.), the 1965 Immigration Law, Communism/Bolshevism, the porn industry, the revisionism of the national narrative (i.e. "The Melting Pot Myth"), and the influence of the Neocons and AIPAC, it is a thing that Americans must confront.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGt7_0GEOvo

Blogger Eraser July 09, 2015 3:21 PM  

@104. Marissa:
What percentage of the media-big business-political cabal do they make up?

In Europe? Considering most of them were killed or forced to run away in WW2, I'd guess not nearly enough to run the show. But I'm open to evidence on the contrary. Where is this supposed Jewish cabal?

@ 108. The Obvious / 110. Sam:

Will read it / watch it, respectively.

Anonymous Jourdan July 09, 2015 3:37 PM  

@ Shut Up Rabbit

Thanks for the clarification, I get sick and tired of hearing people say its Rotterdam. In any case, the rapes were heterosexual in nature and as any half-aware person should know that right there rules out it happening in Rotterdam

Anonymous BGS July 09, 2015 3:41 PM  

In Europe? Considering most of them were killed or forced to run away in WW2, I'd guess not nearly enough to run the show.

When Soros can afford to waste $33million to support riots in Ferguson does it matter how many jews are in the bottom levels?. At least orthodox jews represent themselves when they pay people to protest in their name.http://www.timesofisrael.com/jewish-group-hires-mexican-laborers-to-protest-ny-gay-pride-parade/ Soros made 10 billion in 4 hours by stabbing USA's credit rating in the back.

Blogger CarpeOro July 09, 2015 6:14 PM  

"In Europe? Considering most of them were killed or forced to run away in WW2, I'd guess not nearly enough to run the show. But I'm open to evidence on the contrary. Where is this supposed Jewish cabal?"

Hadn't heard the Rothchilds had all left Europe. Or given up their financial empire.

Blogger Eraser July 09, 2015 6:27 PM  

@113: Point taken on George Soros.

Reading "Culture of Critique" now, preface and chapter 1 so far. His main point seems to be that Jewish intellectuals (not Jews in general) played major roles in nearly all leftist/radical movements of the 20th century. Interesting...

Blogger Jew613 July 09, 2015 6:34 PM  

Sam, AIPAC doesn't have any great influencein Washington they are a great waste of money since american policy is very consistently pro-Arab and hostile to Israel if not to the same extent as most of Europe.

It was the USA that saved Arafat when the IDF had him surrounded in Beirut it was the USA that directly interfered in Israeli politics bringing down the shamir government. It was under american pressure that pm Rabin (y's) signed the Oslo accords and the USA has repeatedly pressured Israel to make one concession after another to our enemies. If there is a secret Jewish cabal they are idiots.

Regardless the Jews in France will make aliyah as the situation worsens. The Jews in england will probably hold out far longer then they should as that community considers themselves to have deeper roots then the French Jewish community.

Blogger ray July 09, 2015 6:34 PM  

Red-cap Marianne represents Libertas, who is the French version of the 'great' goddess. So, for you supposed Christians and Hebrews, that'd be the ancient and sworn ENEMY of your God. The OPPOSITE of your God. Just because you put statues of her up in your town squares and national harbors does NOT mean that God has accepted her, and her rule over the nations. It means he's letting you rebel along with her. For now.

Because those claiming to be his own people (Hebrews and Christians) failed in their responsibilities and manhood, the Lord had to use mooslims to do your job for you. While you were busy creating and passing and enforcing the 'laws' and socio-political agendas of the goddess -- liberte and egalite and fraternite.

Yup the 'churches' think she's just great, too! Synagogues of satan.

Blogger aut0062matthew July 09, 2015 6:51 PM  

"cjk" was Tad.

Anonymous Sithicus July 09, 2015 7:09 PM  

@ 93. friendo

Things are changing. I have noticed a significant increase of anti-semitism in Poland. We've simply had enough. We don't hate Jews.. we simply dislike them for now. Will this turn into hatred? Time will tell.

Anonymous hungrytales July 09, 2015 7:10 PM  

Vox, why do you think Poles hate Jews? Remember, we lost the WW2 in a more catastrophic way than Germans did and the history is written by the victors. Poland really is Tigana of this world - under the evil sorceror's unyielding spell, her true name lost and forgotten.

Why do you think we had so many Jews on our soil in the first place? They came to us, settled, had lived between us for generations - all this becuase we hated them most?

Blogger YIH July 09, 2015 7:16 PM  

Jew613:
Sam, AIPAC doesn't have any great influencein Washington they are a great waste of money since american policy is very consistently pro-Arab and hostile to Israel...
Wowzers. One can only hope that 'unicorn' left just as a big a steaming pile of Hasbara.

Anonymous Sithicus July 09, 2015 7:17 PM  

In the Middle Ages, when England and France were expelling their Jews and when Jews were being burned in Germany as agents of the Black Death, Poland took in Jews.

The Polish king extended the Statute of Kalisz, or the General Charter of Jewish Liberties (first promulgated in 1264 and then expanded in the 14th century) that guaranteed Jewish religious and social freedom. Every Polish king for 500 years had to renew the charter upon ascending the throne(by way of time comparison, the United States is only 238 years old and for its first 89 years -- and arguably longer -- there was no 'General Charter of African-American Liberties'). The Statue of Kalisz only lapsed when Poland itself was destroyed and occupied by Prussia, Russia and Austria in the 18th century.

Poland was the most tolerant country in Europe and widely acknowledge as so -- during the time of the Crusades, Poland allowed Muslims freedom of worship in its cities.

Poland was the only major country in Europe to avoid religious wars -- the king decreed that faith was a matter of personal choice.

The real summary of Polish-Jewish historical relations shows that when Poland thrived and was run by Poles the Jewish community thrived in great independence. When Poland lost itself, both communities suffered.
The Jewish community died in Poland because that is where the Germans found them and the Jews were there because of the centuries of Polish religious and ethnic tolerance.

Anonymous Billy July 09, 2015 7:24 PM  

This strategy has been tried before in the past and it didnt work out very well for them. The jews were in collusion with the moor during their initial assault and subsequent invasions. Having been found to have gone so far as to secretly open the gate to let them. I know its been said before but those who don't learn from history or doomed to repeat it. http://islamversuseurope.blogspot.com/2013/09/jewish-collaboration-with-muslims.html also see; God’s Crucible by David Levering Lewis. also; History of the Conquest of Spain by the Arab-Moors, Volume 1 by Henry Coppée, published in 1881.

Anonymous Billy July 09, 2015 7:29 PM  

@Takin' a look, At times we need to get emotional. There are times we need to get mad. We've been told are whole lives to be cool. "Civilized men control their emotions". Well sometimes we need to show our ass. .

Blogger Jew613 July 09, 2015 7:47 PM  

The poles like to portray themselves as the most wonderful innocent people. Who never did anything to the Jews. But after the holocaust events such as the Kielce program where polish mobs murdered Jewish survivors gives a more complete picture.

Anonymous Sithicus July 09, 2015 8:07 PM  

Poland was the only country under German control where the Germans declared the death penalty for the entire family for helping Jews as the Germans became so exasperated by Polish help for the Jews.

Despite its severe occupation and its government in exile, Poland's was the only government that created a department to aid the Jews (called Zegota).

Polish underground couriers were the ones who tried to alert the West to the developing Holocaust.

Anonymous Sithicus July 09, 2015 8:08 PM  

On the other hand during the Soviet occupation of eastern Poland from Sept. 1939 to June 1941, Jews were not only bystanders, but also complicit in the fate of their Polish Christian neighbors. This included assisting the Soviets in the deportation of nearly two million Polish civilians to the depths of Siberia, as well as leading the Soviets to the sanctuaries of Polish resistance members who were then usually executed. These were the very people who had lived peacefully for many generations among Polish Christians

Anonymous Yankee Imperialist July 09, 2015 10:35 PM  

“1) Mexico's claim to the American Southwest it lost to the United States devolved to Mexican rule from Spanish claims, claims which were never universally recognized.”

According to who? Regardless, Spain held that territory firmly in its grip.


“In many cases, it was merely a 12-man expedition passing through and giving places names and claiming them for Spain in the name of God and the King.”

Did not European nations put forth the same effort in their conquests?


“OUR royal ancestors were first in claim and right in any case, if one accepts this sort of claim as having legal force.”

It wasn’t about legal force, it was about having a standing army there.


“2) Additionally, and more importantly, Spain did not settle any of these lands in any serious manner. The most significant settlements were the string of Catholic Missions...”

Creating religious settlements WAS a serious endeavor. Furthermore, one only need refer to the encomienda system as evidence how Spain took building and cultivating their empire earnestly. You have no idea what you talking about.


“them were Anglo-Americans, who, unlike the Spanish, had built actual settlements, roads, farms, towns, militias, etc.”

Throughout the 1700’s, due to the French presence in neighboring Louisiana, Spanish authorities ramped up their efforts to colonize Texas, establishing numerous villages, presidios, and missions in the province. Your ignorance astounds me.


“And it lost them for good reason: they didn't really rule the territory in anything other than Spain's old "plant the flag" sense.”

Just. Stop. Now. After Mexico achieved its independence in 1821, its government made a concerted effort to “secularize” the natives by displacing Fransciscan missionaries from controlling the land and offering land grants to “rancheros”. Hardly a “hands-off” approach.

Anonymous Discard July 10, 2015 3:57 AM  

Hey, Yankee Imp is back! Hello, Stupid!

The only land we got from Mexico that was really Mexican was the Rio Grande valley in New Mexico. Interestingly, they regarded themselves as Spanish rather than Mexican, sort of like Loyalists during the Revolutionary War. They despised the Mexican government.

Texas was already 7/8 American, because Mexican peons would not die fighting Commanches for the benefit of the landowners. The Southerners that were invited in to work the land in their place rejected the new dictator and Clown-in-Chief Santa Anna and sent him packing.

In California, the Mexicans shut down the missions the Spanish Franciscans had built, before they had anybody to take them over. The morons destroyed their own social infrastructure. They eventually got around to giving the land to people who would actually build and grow things, people like Abel Sternes, Jonathan Temple, and John Bidwell. Remember the California gold rush? Gold was first discovered at Sutter's Mill, by John Marshall. See a pattern here? The more capable Californios welcomed the Yankees as fellow movers and doers, and even let them marry their daughters.

OK, Imp. School's out.

Anonymous Discard July 10, 2015 4:15 AM  

Mexican child molestation is greatly underreported. Many of them see a 13 or 14 year old girl as fair game for a 25 year old man. She just gets pregnant, nobody goes to the police, and even the families figure that's just how things are.

A maricon is one who gets buggered, not the buggerer. A young boy alone in America might be passed around, and nobody will ever say anything to the cops. It's just how things are.

Blogger John S July 10, 2015 5:25 AM  

In reference to Rotterdam, if men were marrying 12-16 year-old girls with their and their fathers' permission, it would be an entirely different state of affairs. But that's not what they were doing - they were raping these girls, pimping them out, and browbeating the police and public with cries of racism in order not to be punished for this heinous crime. - Marissa

I think you mean Rotherham? Unless the pakis are pulling the same shit in The Netherlands too. Always a possibility, I suppose...

Anonymous Anon123 July 10, 2015 12:01 PM  

"mexicans and muslims are a very... very different thing."

With their enthusiasm for chopping people into bits, their penchant for prepubescent children, and their animosity for whites, I dont see a slick of difference between Muslims and Mexicans. Maybe you meant Hispanics as a whole? But that still includes Salvadorans and Haitians, who are actually worse than Mexicans.

Anonymous Joe July 10, 2015 12:43 PM  

Jew613: "The poles like to portray themselves as the most wonderful innocent people."

Because it's true. Poles did way more for Jews than Jews did for Poles. There were several occurrences of pogroms in Poland during and after the war but in each case these were orchestrated by Germany or the Communist authorities and the SB/UB and the KBW/NKVD. Please tell me what Jews did for Poles. Because as said, it was Poland which preserved and protected the Jews for 100s of years and it was a Polish officer, Witold Pilecki who first published reports of the Holocaust after purposefully getting himself arrested. Polish organisations helped Jews and many Polish women and children lost their lives because they helped Jews. Yes but go ahead and rubbish all of that.

Anonymous Takin' a look July 10, 2015 3:50 PM  

Thank you Billy

Anonymous Yankee Imperialist July 10, 2015 11:02 PM  

“The only land we got from Mexico that was really Mexican was the Rio Grande valley in New Mexico.”

Actually, California, Arizona, and Texas was also Mexican.


“Interestingly, they regarded themselves as Spanish rather than Mexican, sort of like Loyalists during the Revolutionary War. They despised the Mexican government.”



Actually, the New Mexicans easily transitioned their old identity as Spanish subjects to Mexican nationals by adapting Spanish feudalism to their political and social situation.


“The Southerners that were invited in to work the land in their place rejected the new dictator and Clown-in-Chief Santa Anna and sent him packing.”

Actually, a number of Southrons there shat on the laws of Mexico, most notably anti-slavery.


“The morons destroyed their own social infrastructure.”


Actually, by offering land grants to “rancheros”, the social infrastructure in California flourished.


“Mexican child molestation is greatly underreported. Many of them see a 13 or 14 year old girl as fair game for a 25 year old man.”


Sources?


“With their enthusiasm for chopping people into bits, their penchant for prepubescent children, and their animosity for whites, I dont see a slick of difference between Muslims and Mexicans.”

And Eastern Europeans. You know, white people.

Anonymous Discard July 11, 2015 5:16 AM  

Yankee Imp! You're back! Took a while to come up with a fresh pile of steaming bullshit, didn't it? Well, I brought my shovel. Let's pitch in, shall we?

No, Texas was Texan, because the Commanches had run the Mexicans out and they invited some Southerners to come in and drive the Indians away and fix the place up.
Arizona was Injun country, not Mexican. Apaches, remember?
California was American by default, because the Mexicans couldn't keep the place running after they kicked the Spanish Fathers out, and again, they had to bring in the Gringos to make it work.
The Mexicans could not maintain what the Spanish built, and thought they could hire Americans to make it all work, and treat them like peons in the bargain. The Mexican ruling class is the bastard offspring of an inbred European aristocracy, and they ruin everything they touch. They made big claims to rule vast territories, but never showed up to do anything but demand the rent. All hat and no cattle, as Texans are reputed to say. They got their stupid asses kicked by minuscule forces, and it's a measure of their uselessness that they are still whining about it 177 years later.

You know squat about New Mexico. "…transitioned their old identity as Spanish subjects to Mexican nationals by adapting Spanish feudalism to their political and social situation". What does that mean? Did they only adapt Spanish feudalism after 1821?You must have gone to college.
New Mexico was the only territory we took that had a functioning society without Gringoes to keep it going, and that's because they remained Spanish.
Old New Mexican families still despise Mexico, and will let you know that they are Spanish dammit, if you seem simpatico. I have some of them in my family, by marriage, and they're clearly European.

The flourishing of California's social infrastructure was done by Americans. The morons shut the missions down before they had any plan for the land, other than to claim it for themselves. The cattle herds disappeared, the structures were neglected, the fields went fallow, and our people had to rebuild from scratch, once the desperate Californios invited them to.

Decades of living in Los Angeles, working with Mexicans and reading the paper, plus teaching experience in East L.A., are my sources for Mexican sexual customs.

You're losing your touch, Imp. You must be doing your research on Wiki.

Anonymous Yankee Imperialist July 11, 2015 2:12 PM  

‘No, Texas was Texan, because the Commanches had run the Mexicans out and they invited some Southerners to come in and drive the Indians away and fix the place up.”

Actually, Texas was part of Spain and eventually became part of Mexico. Americans were invited to Texas by the Mexican government, which had established peace with the Comanches, albeit on shaky ground. Mexicans were never “run out” of Texas by the Comanches. Furthermore, relations between Americans and Comanches deteriorated in large part due to Americans forcibly removing the Comanche from their traditional hunting ground.

“Arizona was Injun country, not Mexican. Apaches, remember?”

Yes, AFTER the Mexican-American War.



“California was American by default, because the Mexicans couldn't keep the place running after they kicked the Spanish Fathers out, and again, they had to bring in the Gringos to make it work.”


Actually, the number of Americans residing in California during Mexican rule (1821-1848) was around 1300. Of course, that number dramatically increased with the gold rush. California was an agricultural and trade colony of Mexico.



“The Mexican ruling class is the bastard offspring of an inbred European aristocracy, and they ruin everything they touch.”



Spanish aristocrats, like their European counterparts, have that tendency.


“They made big claims to rule vast territories, but never showed up to do anything but demand the rent.”

Actually, the Mexican government there granted land grants, collected taxes, built forts, and facilitated the development of towns.



“Decades of living in Los Angeles, working with Mexicans and reading the paper, plus teaching experience in East L.A., are my sources for Mexican sexual customs.”

You do realize that your viewpoint is rife with confirmation bias. Because, using your logic, a person could make the claim that “Decades of living in America, working with whites and reading the paper, plus my work experiences, are my sources for why whites are sexual deviants." So, your anecdotal evidence requires more support.

Anonymous Discard July 12, 2015 4:37 AM  

Yes, the Mexicans were run out of Texas by the Commanches. That's why they asked Americans to come in and fix their problem. Texas was 7/8 American by 1836. That's because most of the Mexicans had bailed, for fear of the Indians.

Are you suggesting that Arizona was not Apache-controlled territory until after the Mexican-American War? Why, did Americans set up an Apache puppet state? Nope, the Mexicans never ruled Arizona, they just claimed it.

The enumerated population of California at the time of the war was 7000, 4000 of which were Mexican citizens. The other 3000 were Whites, American and some European. Of course, a fair number of the Mexican citizens were Americans by birth who had taken Mexican citizenship as a condition of owning land. For example, Don (a title indicating land ownership) Juan Temple was in fact Jonathan Temple, a native of Massachusetts who founded the first store in the pueblo of Los Angeles. Got that, no stores in Los Angeles until an American built one? He later owned half of what is now Long Beach. Of course we were running the place. Americans did the work that Mexicans would not or could not do, in both Texas and California. I suggest you visit some of the old ranchos that are now libraries and museums instead of browsing the web. They have a wealth of information, and some lonely curators willing to show you around.

I don't know what confirmation bias is, but I know what lying bias is. Most official statistics regarding Mexicans are lies, so the thoughtful intelligent man has to trust his own judgement, just like in China or any other pit of knavery. For example, the media has been using the same number, 11 million illegals, for over a decade, as if no change were taking place. For example, the FBI has a "Hispanic" category for hate crime victims, but not for hate crime perpetrators. Somehow, a Hispanic becomes White if he shoots a Black. For example, the Texas Ten Most Wanted list has no Hispanics on it, even when they're named Jose Jesus Gonzales and they're a member of the Mexican Mafia. For example, the Los Angeles School District claims dropout rates that are a fraction of the real dropout rates, as is easily shown by a glance at the raw numbers. Given that, a man is a fool to trust official statistics. And given a pair of eyes, he doesn't need to.

You're way out of your depth, Imp. I'm a long time local and you're an outlander. You don't know squat.

Anonymous Yankee Imperialist July 13, 2015 3:04 PM  

"Yes, the Mexicans were run out of Texas by the Commanches"

That point was already addressed and proven false.


"Nope, the Mexicans never ruled Arizona, they just claimed it."

Actually, there was a Mexican fort there that made efforts there to keep its citizens under control of the Mexican government.

"Juan Temple was in fact Jonathan Temple, a native of Massachusetts who founded the first store in the pueblo of Los Angeles. Got that, no stores in Los Angeles until an American built one? "

He and his brother actually married Mexican women. Imagine that! Furthermore, he established the first ANGLO store; the first settlers from 1781 (44 of them, half of which had African ancestors) were owners of large landed estates and relied on Spanish missions for goods.


"I don't know what confirmation bias is"

Doesn't surprise me.


"but I know what lying bias is."

There is observably no such thing.

Anonymous Discard July 13, 2015 7:24 PM  

Imp: Where did you prove that the Mexicans were not driven out of Texas by the Commanche? You might try reading up on the debate in the Mexican legislature on the matter of inviting Yanquis to fight the Indians. A minority warned that the newcomers would take over, but the sort of leaders who would dissolve the California missions before they knew what to do with the land and buildings obviously were not inclined to listen to reason.

A Mexican fort somewheres in Arizona is evidence of a claim on the territory, but not evidence that they ruled anything. Rather like an American firebase in the central highlands of Vietnam.

As I pointed out in comment # 129, the Californio elite willingly married their daughters off to Americans. Abel Stearns married Arcadia Bandini, after which the Chinese colony of Arcadia, California is named. You're not telling me anything I haven't known for years. You need to read before you comment.
So, the Mexicans shut down the missions, and waited until Jonathan Temple showed up to have themselves a store. Real enterprising, aren't they? Again, Americans took control by default more than by design.

Observably no such thing as a bias in favor of lying?

Anonymous Discard July 13, 2015 7:30 PM  

I do hope I've got Abel Stearns and Jonathan Temple straight. Been a long time since I lived in Long Beach and visited their ranchos, Los Alamitos and Los Cerritos.

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Anonymous Yankee Imperialist July 15, 2015 11:55 AM  

Where did you prove that the Mexicans were not driven out of Texas by the Commanche?

Post 137. As further proof, Comanche interests dictated peace with Mexico in Texas; Mexican provincial governments strengthened trade ties with the Comanche in the early 1830's. Mexicans never left nor were forced out of Texas, they lived side by side with Anglos.

Keep embarrassing yourself.

"So, the Mexicans shut down the missions, and waited until Jonathan Temple showed up to have themselves a store."

As I correctly stated earlier, the Spanish land barons there purchased goods from missionaries, When towns sprang up, Mexican merchants picked up the slack or the land barons made their own goods or sought trade earlier.


"Observably no such thing as a bias in favor of lying?"

Changing your tune yet again. Doesn't surprise me.

Anonymous Discard July 17, 2015 4:09 AM  

Been out of town.

Commanche interests dictated peace with Mexico? What interests? Commanches lived for war. They chased the Apache off the plains and into the mountains. During the Civil War, they even drove the Texans back a hundred miles or so in places. The only people they ran across that they didn't fight were the Kiowa, for whatever reason.

Mexican trade ties with the Commanches? Not much, but what there was went through New Mexico, not Texas. As I wrote, the only part of the American southwest that functioned under Mexican rule was New Mexico, the upper Rio Grande Valley to be specific.

Towns don't spring up. They are built. When the missions were shut down, Mexican merchants did not pick up the slack, the Californios traded cattle hides for whatever ships in the China trade had when they stopped by to re-provision after crossing the Pacific. The clipper ships began to carry a few bits of hardware and houseware to trade for the hides. The Californios were at a huge disadvantage with this barter system until Jonathan Temple opened his store.

You know nothing of this history. I don't even have to look it up. Hint: It's not on Wiki, it's in books.

Anonymous Discard July 17, 2015 4:37 PM  

Addendum: The few Mexicans remaining in Texas, as you admit, lived side by side with "Anglos". (Dummy, they were largely Scots-Irish, not English) They did not live side by side with Commanche, nor even within 100 miles. (Commanches were the most noted horsemen on the plains, and would regularly travel hundreds of miles to go raiding, unlike most other Indians.) How does the Mexicans living side by side with "Anglos", as a small minority, show that the Commanches did not drive them out? The presence of Whites was the only reason the Mexicans could stick around, because the Whites could and did stand and fight the Indians.

I suppose your little essays impress your friends at Shanghai U or whatever, but you've no more understanding of these matters than I have of the Manchus.

Anonymous Yankee Imperialist July 21, 2015 11:00 PM  

You're saying the same thing over and over again despite being wrong. Amazing.

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