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Thursday, August 06, 2015

"A Reliable Source" in the real world

This link to an FBI activity alert was sent to me by a reader with the comment that it didn't take long for "A Reliable Source" (which appeared in Riding the Red Horse) to become non-fiction.
Middle-Eastern Males Approaching Family Members of US Military Personnel at their Homes In Colorado and Wyoming, as of June 2015. 

SOURCE: An officer of another law enforcement agency.

In May 2015, the wife of a US military member was approached in front of her home by two Middle-Eastern males. The men stated that she was the wife of a US interrogator. When she denied their claims, the men laughed. The two men left the area in a dark-colored, four-door sedan with two other Middle-Eastern males in the vehicle. The woman had observed the vehicle in the neighborhood on previous occasions.

Similar incidents in Wyoming have been reported to the FBI throughout June 2015. On numerous occasions, family members of military personnel were confronted by Middle-Eastern males in front of their homes. The males have attempted to obtain personal information about the military member and family members through intimidation. The family members have reported feeling scared.
It's my opinion that large-scale drone warfare could be easily counteracted by targeting the drone operators and their family members. It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if countries like Iran, Russia, Israel, and China already have near-complete lists of every US military drone operator and their home addresses. There are only 1,200 of them, after all. In less than 24 hours, the entire US drone fleet could be rendered inoperative, which is the main reason AI-controlled robodrones are inevitable, the various moral and technical concerns about unintended consequences notwithstanding.

I also wonder if their awareness of being the most vulnerable link in the chain is one reason why "drone pilots are quitting in record numbers."

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Anonymous JustCuckservativeThings August 06, 2015 4:35 AM  

Pfft.

Outsource that shit to India.

Rahul will fly those drones for $2 an hour.

What could possibly go wrong?

Anonymous Rigel Kent August 06, 2015 5:18 AM  

I've been wondering when Skynet would finally became active.

Anonymous DT August 06, 2015 5:50 AM  

...which is the main reason AI-controlled robodrones are inevitable, the various moral and technical concerns about unintended consequences notwithstanding.

Why not just deport Muslims and close the border?

Oh...right...Democrats and RINOs.

Anonymous ivvenalis August 06, 2015 6:11 AM  

I think it's more likely that drone pilots are quitting because of low status, bad working conditions, and moral objections in about that order. This sure won't help, though.

Blogger D. Lane (#0067) August 06, 2015 6:12 AM  

What could possibly go wrong?

On a cell phone, shortly after a botched air strike...

Thank you for calling Drone Support.

What are you even doing over there?!?!

Calm down, sir. What seems to be the problem?

What do you mean 'what seems to be the problem'?! Your operators just lit up the wrong target!

Please calm down, sir. I'm trying to help you. Now -- were the casualties wearing the correct strobes?

...what?

Please check to see if your casualties were wearing the correct strobes. Incorrect or missing strobes are the most common cause of errant drone strikes. If we can eliminate user error, I will transfer you to one of our specialists for advanced troubleshooting.


Could be worse, I suppose.

Blogger ScuzzaMan August 06, 2015 6:16 AM  

I recall that nobody ever imagined flying planes into buildings, too ...

Blogger Doom August 06, 2015 6:31 AM  

Yeah, but add in, when you know your government has your back... Urhm, well, a knife ready to shove into it... quitting seems like simply good business. Has the Navy, or the DoJ, yet charged the Naval officer who fired his firearm at Chat.? Yeah, like that.

Anonymous MadPiper August 06, 2015 6:42 AM  

Interesting. This reminds me of a story from Red Horse I nominated for a Hugo. Life imitates Art!

Blogger Mr.MantraMan August 06, 2015 6:57 AM  

Just read a blurb at FreeRepublic about a film maker who just went to Berserkely to ask the students questions about the attack on the recruiters. He of course got the answers we suspected, the usual cultural Marxist lines about 'Murka.

Doesn't surprise me that they don't publish the names of the drone operators in a place like Democratic Underground or just push them out thru twitter and start mob action thru that.

Anonymous Stephen J. August 06, 2015 7:18 AM  

"I recall that nobody ever imagined flying planes into buildings, too ..."

Tom Clancy did, in DEBT OF HONOR; but that was just a novel, so nobody took him seriously . . .

Blogger Justin C August 06, 2015 7:23 AM  

Vox, remember that recently the Department of Personal Management got hacked and the information everyone who has ever applied for a clearance was hacked. So yes, China and others definitely know where they are

Blogger ScuzzaMan August 06, 2015 7:27 AM  

Stephen J,

Point is that life has a way of imitating art, the denials of the ignorant and treasonous notwithstanding ...

It was already a common plot feature when Condo-Leeza made her ludicrous claim.

Blogger grendel August 06, 2015 7:32 AM  

I'd like to think that if some Mohommedans rolled up to intimidate me or mine we could do better than to "Feel scared." Carry your guns, people!

Anonymous Mike M. August 06, 2015 7:52 AM  

@13, they aren't allowed to. Which is part of the problem.

And while that Nation piece is a little thick on the hand-wringing, they're telling the truth about the ops tempo. There is no train-deploy-rest cycle, just a constant demand for more flights.

Blogger HickoryHammer #0211 August 06, 2015 8:16 AM  

Seeing as how the US government is letting the muzzies play shooting gallery on it's domestic bases this does make sense. From random mayhem to assaults with a purpose.

Blogger LAZ August 06, 2015 8:24 AM  

"I also wonder if their awareness of being the most vulnerable link in the chain is one reason why "drone pilots are quitting in record numbers."

It may be one reason but, I think the main reason is that they're fully trained pilots stuck in a position with no chance of advancement.

Anonymous BigGaySteve August 06, 2015 8:46 AM  

"If you where in a castle law state my love" the hugo award winning tale of dead moslems with bacon placed in their mouths on military dependents property.


I recall that nobody ever imagined flying planes into buildings,

The pilot episode for the sci fi time travel show "7 days" was of a plane flying into the white house. That was before 2000. Also it recently came out in the last 2 months that we had even more data and surveillance of the 911 hijackers than admitted.

"I also wonder if their awareness of being the most vulnerable link in the chain is one reason why "drone pilots are quitting

I recall reading it is a dead end position with no significant time off covering all 3 shifts but no time to get training that would lead to promotions, the way their shifts are structured. Even units that deploy would have some time to knock out a few college courses when not deployed.

Anonymous Quartermaster August 06, 2015 9:18 AM  

A drone operator assignment is the arm pit of the Air Force. They took rater officers and confined them in trailers to supervise a flying robot half a world away. No Pilot signed up for such an assignment and the hide bound AF can't get past the fact that no pilot will endure such ignominy indefinitely. If USAF has no idea why they can't keep drone operators, then they are far dumber that I thought.

My father retired from the USAF in '71 and the USAF has fallen a long way since then.

Blogger Iowahine August 06, 2015 9:24 AM  

BGS@#17: Also it recently came out in the last 2 months that we had even more data and surveillance of the 911 hijackers than admitted.

At the time, my neighbor, recently retired from military and working as local police officer, said in regard to attacks, completely seriously: "You know someone dropped the ball on that; the memo's still sitting on someone's desk."

Anonymous That Would Be Telling August 06, 2015 9:24 AM  

There are only 1,200 [drone operators] after all. In less than 24 hours, the entire US drone fleet could be rendered inoperative

I don't know of any adversary we have that would want to do this sort of thing that also has the manpower and trade craft to come even close to pulling off a Time On Target attack, that is, attacking them all at once. So, I'd suspect this would fail like the 9/11 tactic did as soon as the passengers on Flight 93 learned what was up.

Blogger Tallawampus August 06, 2015 9:29 AM  

BGS has the right of it. Never blame enemy action for something that can be attributed to the incompetence of the government. I'm in the Air Force and have a friend who's a drone pilot, they don't have a chance for higher command or rank due to the way their career field was run. Air Force is trying to fix it but nothing happens fast and it's already too late for some folks careers.

Also, these families can shoot back if they need to. Military members are only forced to be unarmed on base or while on duty in the case of working off base like the recruiters. Since these yahoos are driving up to the houses this is occurring off base where the families can be armed.

VFM#198

Anonymous Athor Pel August 06, 2015 9:37 AM  

Jihadis going after the families of servicemen on US soil is a perfect example of the uselessness of America's federal defense establishment.

Never mind jihadis going after the servicemen themselves on military bases in the US.

If you don't let your own military carry arms while on base then the leadership doesn't trust their own troops. Which is about the strongest message one could send confirming the alienation between leader and led.

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Change of subject.

I'm not convinced that drone pilots get the kind of background check and clearance that have been recently pilfered from the OMB.

If a someone could confirm or deny this I'd appreciate it.
Do drone pilots get access to compartmented information? I don't want to know the comparment name or what is in the compartment specifically.

I ask because if they do get access to compartmented info then their clearance paperwork was part of that stolen from the OMB. If not then not.

Blogger Sean August 06, 2015 9:43 AM  

How could they find out the information on our drone pilots? That information is kept secure in government databases and Hillary Clintons server.

Blogger Anachronda August 06, 2015 9:48 AM  

The pilot episode for the sci fi time travel show "7 days" was of a plane flying into the white house. That was before 2000. Also it recently came out in the last 2 months that we had even more data and surveillance of the 911 hijackers than admitted.

Pilot episode of The Lone Gunmen. Plane flown into the World Trade Center. Early 2001.

Blogger Justin C August 06, 2015 9:48 AM  

Don't forget it is more than just pilots, there is a whole architecture of analysts and support specialists attached to every mission. It probably numbers in the 10,000

Anonymous PhillipGeorge©2015 August 06, 2015 9:50 AM  

the cleverest thing in all history was those 911 hijackers causing WTC7 to free fall collapse into its own footprint. And all with box cutters. Bravo scientismists.

Islam is a political flag

Christians remain sound asleep. Lady Gaga land asleep. The separation of church and state thing did you in I'm afraid. I think I can safely say that in the past tense now.

For some weird visceral gut unction reasons I suspect Harry was singing this before Planned Parenthood were selling body bits. Before gays discovered marriage was their inalienable constitutionally enshrined birthright, before youth suicide was the leading cause of death in under twenties,

like every date on the page, on every newspaperand blog everywhere, like the stories themselves, it's all about Jesus, just join the dots sleep walkers. cheers.

Anonymous BGS August 06, 2015 9:55 AM  

if they do get access to compartmented info then their clearance paperwork was part of that stolen from the OMB. If not then not.

I thought everyone on the govt payroll had their data stolen including military. The hack was not discovered by govt personnel but by a company that came in to do a product demonstration.
http://arstechnica.com/security/2015/06/report-hack-of-government-employee-records-discovered-by-product-demo/
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/06/opm-data-breach-jason-chaffetz-119374.html

32 million seems like a lot of compartmented security clearances.

Blogger Alexander August 06, 2015 9:57 AM  

Plane flown into a large structure filled with lots of Americans: Pacific Ocean, 1944.

The idea that nobody in power imagined the same could be done with civilian aircraft is absurd. And it's not as if there hadn't been car bombs before.

Blogger Jeff the Baptist August 06, 2015 9:59 AM  

No drone pilots are quitting in record numbers because they're being routinely passed over for promotion by the fighter pilot mafia. They're also not being fairly compensated for putting in long stressful hours because they're doing so in Nevada instead of Afghanistan.

Anonymous That Would Be Telling August 06, 2015 10:03 AM  

I'm not convinced that drone pilots get the kind of background check and clearance that have been recently pilfered from the OMB.

If they're officers, as I understand them to be, they have at minimum a Secret clearance, and would be in those OMB files. Last time I checked, only some people with DoE clearances like the Q were spared, I would guess from before the DoE and DoD's clearance systems were harmonized.

Anonymous Stilicho August 06, 2015 10:07 AM  

Sometimes, it sucks to be proven right. How long until the drug cartels recognize that it can be a very effective tactic? After all, what will they have to lose if their families are already considered targets by the DEA et al.?

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 August 06, 2015 10:09 AM  

The alternative to AI is to pull an Ender's Game on drone pilots.

Blogger Achillea August 06, 2015 10:27 AM  

BGS!

where /= were!

Just sayin'.

Blogger Justin C August 06, 2015 10:31 AM  

MQ9 predator pilots are SCI cleared

Blogger Justin C August 06, 2015 10:31 AM  

as are all UAV pilots in the Air Force

Blogger Justin C August 06, 2015 10:32 AM  

again, pilots are only a small fraction of a UAV mission

Blogger dlw August 06, 2015 10:37 AM  

>Colorado ... scared

Colorado is still a free-ish state. There's always the chance someone will express their displeasure at the implied threat via the caliber of their choice.

Blogger Alexander August 06, 2015 10:41 AM  

Anna Wailliam is an excellent testament that while automated dronebots are the future, we aren't quite there yet.

"Mohammad, hide! The infidel drone approaches from the east."

"Too late, we have been spotted my friend. Abdul, I will die for allah... but I do not want to do it today!"

"Alas, the Satan across the sea no longer shows any constraint, his drones do not offer us the quick death of hellfire or even the chance to raise money for the cause with propaganda of broken limbs. It is much worse..."

"What, Abdul - "

- Hello! My aunt made $100,000 last month fighting the great jihad from home! I conceive it can help you too. You seem pretty cool, please visit my site and tell me what you think!

Blogger pyrrhus August 06, 2015 10:54 AM  

I also wonder if their awareness of being the most vulnerable link in the chain is one reason why "drone pilots are quitting in record numbers."
That and the fact that you can't get decent promotions as a drone jockey....

Anonymous A. Nonymous August 06, 2015 11:24 AM  

In less than 24 hours, the entire US drone fleet could be rendered inoperative, which is the main reason AI-controlled robodrones are inevitable, the various moral and technical concerns about unintended consequences notwithstanding.

And then this incipient air arm of Skynet is similarly rendered inoperative by the nearest military force with half-decent EW capabilities, correct?

Anonymous Athor Pel August 06, 2015 11:34 AM  

"30. That Would Be Telling August 06, 2015 10:03 AM
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If they're officers, as I understand them to be, they have at minimum a Secret clearance, and would be in those OMB files. Last time I checked, only some people with DoE clearances like the Q were spared, I would guess from before the DoE and DoD's clearance systems were harmonized."



A secret clearance is something everyone gets by virtue of wearing the uniform. It's not for compartmented information though and it doesn't involve a significant background check or making their medical records PRP. This is what I remember from more then 20 years ago so things could have changed since then.

Anonymous Athor Pel August 06, 2015 11:42 AM  

"334. Justin C August 06, 2015 10:31 AM
MQ9 predator pilots are SCI cleared"



Thanks for the answer. This whole debacle just makes me shake my head at the idiocy.
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Something just occured to me. If someone does start going after gov employee family members those employees will eventually just get new identities and start wearing masks when on the job and dealing with the public.

Anonymous Duke of URL VFM#391 August 06, 2015 12:02 PM  

@1
You owe me a clean keyboard - you shouldn't make me laugh out loud when I'm drinking coffee.

Blogger bob k. mando August 06, 2015 12:07 PM  

42. Athor Pel August 06, 2015 11:42 AM
This whole debacle just makes me shake my head at the idiocy.


especially since i understood the DoD and CIA et al to have their own dedicated fiber inter connects. why the fuck would that stuff have ever been out with access to the Web?

Blogger Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus August 06, 2015 12:49 PM  

Makes you wonder if otherwise non-compliant military and police personnel might be coerced into assisting the police state by threats to their families from the government. Maybe rounding their families up "for their own protection"?

Anonymous Rolf August 06, 2015 1:06 PM  

Knowing their families can be targeted, and they must drive to the base and home again DISARMED, it's entirely understandable that they'd like to step out of the (soon-to-be) line of fire. At least in the infantry you are with a few dozen friends, armed, and authorized to shoot back when fired upon.

Anonymous Government worker August 06, 2015 2:25 PM  

I don't think you guys understand what the Chinese own now. I had a security clearance, and now I have a public trust clearance. My public trust level is high because of the money decisions I make, which is a very detailed background investigation and extremely detailed interview.

Every bit of my credit history, including the short sale on my old home in exact detail. Every secret, including affairs and drug use. In detail. Obama gave all that to the Chinese. If I had had an affair, I would have told OPM, and that means the Chinese would know now and could threaten to tell my wife. They know every detail of why I had to short sell.

They know all about my wife and kids, in detail. They know my friends.

China sending the Pakis and ISIS details about drone flyers families? Child's play. China telling me how to make a decision 'or else'? More complex, but likely.

Anonymous ostar August 06, 2015 3:18 PM  

With all the failure of the US govt. to protect their own military and even downright hostility to veterans, I wonder how long they are going to stand for it.
It makes me think of Heinlein's Starship Troopers - it was the veterans that get fed up with their govt. abandoning them that started the revolution and new system....

Blogger Aeoli Pera August 07, 2015 12:17 AM  

I also wonder if their awareness of being the most vulnerable link in the chain is one reason why "drone pilots are quitting in record numbers."

I heard somewhere that it was primarily the work hours. Having terrorists show up to threaten your wife when you're never at home anyway is doubly unnerving.

Anonymous Mr. Rational August 07, 2015 12:42 AM  

I recall that nobody ever imagined flying planes into buildings, too ...

Kind of hard to believe such a failure of imagination when it had been reality for 56 years.

Blogger Kirk Parker August 07, 2015 6:48 PM  

" Maybe rounding their families up 'for their own protection'?"

If that happens, it will be Fort Sumter II.

Blogger JohnG August 08, 2015 11:39 AM  

Question about what kind of clearance drone pilots get: they get a standard clearance at whatever level (none, secret or TS) and then they can be "read on" to various programs based on need to know. No clearance gives across the board access to everything.

Anonymous Sarcophilous August 09, 2015 10:55 PM  

Wyoming? The equality state? How is it that they aren't ventilated or lead poisoned? Even Starbucks had to relent. There is a reason Wyomingites gave their women suffrage in 1869. Pity that some women are of a declining substance. But few.

Of course they might be blue state fragile flowers who favor "gun control". They, like some of the tourists, might flinch at gunshots in front of The Irma, or get scared at constitutional carry as in the independence day parade (spectators as much as marchers).

Here, it would be "Allah Ach- BOOM!" and they would fall to the ground, dead.

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