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Saturday, August 29, 2015

Adventures in rhetoric

It's intriguing to see how a simple mention of an easily verified observation brings, shall we say, the medicated, out of the woodwork:
Vox Day ‏@voxday
It's impossible to balance constant SJW claims of "laughing" and "hilarity" with how many of them are on anti-depressants and psychotropics.

Popehat ‏@Popehat
well, the world's a meritocracy, innit? We can't all be as sane as you and the other WorldNetDaily writers.

Vox Day ‏@voxday
And here I thought you believed in equality, Popey. Are you "laughing so hard" all the time too?

Popehat ‏@Popehat
Nah. Definitely sometimes though. Thanks!

Vox Day ‏@voxday
Are you trying to claim that people who need to take drugs to be mentally stable are more sane than those who don't?

Popehat ‏@Popehat
I would never throw shade at your mental stability Vox. How can a crazy person like me question someone so sane?

Vox Day ‏@voxday
You didn't answer the question. Are those who require drugs to be mentally stable more or less sane than those who don't?

Popehat ‏@Popehat
Less, by most definitions. And that's important. How can we aspire to your clarity of thought without getting sane first?

Vox Day ‏@voxday
By correctly applying sound logic to observed facts. Don't you understand yet that your rhetorical antics accomplish nothing?

Popehat ‏@Popehat
How could they against an intellect like yours? I'm crazy, your sane. Let people value sanity accordingly.

Vox Day ‏@voxday
They would accomplish nothing against a stone  as well. You might as reasonably attempt to achieve your goals here by juggling.

Popehat ‏@Popehat
never! Juggling is part of the gutter culture of carnies and non-Europeans

Vox Day ‏@voxday
You're doing a fine job of demonstrating the pointlessness of speaking dialectic to a rhetoric speaker. Please continue.

Popehat ‏@Popehat
I'll agree you're operating on an entirely different plane than I am.

Vox Day ‏@voxday 
I'm delighted to hear we can reach an accord on something.
As predicted in SJWs Always Lie, speaking in dialectic to a rhetoric speaker is totally pointless. The information content is irrelevant. Popehat will continue in this vein, seeking to provoke an emotional response, or at least one that will permit him to play the victim, as long as he thinks there is a chance he can provoke something.

Another example. Notice how every comment is an attempt to provoke some kind of emotional reaction, combined with an amount of posturing.

Vox Day ‏@voxday
It's impossible to balance constant SJW claims of "laughing" and "hilarity" with how many of them are on anti-depressants and psychotropics.

Jeff Fecke ‏@jkfecke
That is not how depression works, T. Pratt.

Vox Day @voxday
Are you the expert, then, Feckless? How many anti-depressants and psychotropics have you been on?

Jeff Fecke ‏@jkfecke
Oh, I do love when Ted "Theodore" Beale tweets me. How's your dad doing?

Vox Day ‏@voxday
You didn't answer the question, Jeff. How many anti-depressants and psychotropics have you been on?

Jeff Fecke ‏@jkfecke
I am currently on fluoxetine. I have also used Lexapro.

Vox Day ‏@voxday
I acknowledge your superior expertise on the subject. In answer to your question, my father is very well. Got an email 2 days ago.

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121 Comments:

Blogger Daniel August 29, 2015 8:38 PM  

We are gonna need a bigger drug.

Anonymous IndecisiveEvidence August 29, 2015 8:43 PM  

What is this pissant passive aggressive shit Popehat is trying to pull? I thought he liked you. Or was it that other hat man?

Blogger VD August 29, 2015 8:50 PM  

Neither of the two PopeHats likes me. ClarkHat doesn't like me per se, he merely isn't convinced that I am the epitome of evil.

Blogger Robert What? August 29, 2015 8:55 PM  

Too bad. Popehat often provides very inciteful legal analysis. Guess they should stay with their strength and stay away from cultural critiquing.

Blogger Civis Silas August 29, 2015 8:56 PM  

@2 Clarkhat is an AnCap/Libertarian that thinks beyond the NAP. Popehat is an edgy internet atheist with leftist sensibilities.

Take that how you will.

Anonymous MrGreenMan August 29, 2015 9:00 PM  

Isn't PopeHat part of the Michelle Malkin continuum, by way of Twitchy, where they hate Donald Trump and they want to be the Jezebel of "acceptable Republicanism"?

If I read correctly, they went off to have a passive aggressive conversation about a "anti-SJW developer without a github." I'm sure they meant you, but, like bitches, they tagged it on the conversation so it's hard to tell if they're just stupid.

Blogger Bill August 29, 2015 9:00 PM  

I'm glad your father is well, talk about a raw deal!

That's one of the big reasons we need to get rid of the IRS.

Anonymous Wyrd August 29, 2015 9:01 PM  

Kirk: [hailing Khan] This is Admiral Kirk. We tried it once your way, Khan, are you game for a rematch? Khan, I'm laughing at the "superior intellect."

Khan: Full impulse power!

Joachim: No, sir! You have Genesis! You can have whatever...

Khan: [grabs Joachim in anger] FULL POWER! DAMN YOU!

Anonymous MrGreenMan August 29, 2015 9:03 PM  

A rational person would want people to be rational before making decisions, therefore, they want them on as few chemical dependencies as possible. Perhaps some drugs may make you functional - but, well, if somebody's at low-Autism level of functionality, I probably don't want to make him king or dictator, either. I would be fine with him selling me sheet metal or fixing my drywall.

I guess that's proof that rational is a joke and they're just rationalizing.

Anonymous NorthernHamlet August 29, 2015 9:08 PM  

VD,

What you're saying doesn't make sense. Antidepressants mitigate depression, which can allow laughter in this narrow view, not to mention that one can find something amusing or hilarious even with depression and no pills.

Rhetoric indeed, logic not.

Anonymous BGS August 29, 2015 9:10 PM  

OT: Mexican pedo hired in public school http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/08/26/hiring-fugitive-accused-pedophile-rocks-albuquerque-school-system/?intcmp=trending

Anonymous Quacky the Duck August 29, 2015 9:20 PM  

Robin Williams would've been rather surprised to learn from the experts that depressed people can't laugh or be funny. So, I'm betting, would Dorothy Parker.

Blogger Groot August 29, 2015 9:23 PM  

Fluoxetine: May treat: Major depression, Obsessive compulsive disorder, Premenstrual syndrome, Depressive Disorder, Bulimia.

You'd think they'd hide needing this, rather than advertise it.

Anonymous rubberducky August 29, 2015 9:27 PM  

Yesterday or the day before it was announced that Donald Trump was sitting down to get interviewed by Sarah Palin. The SJWs seemed to be all over their place with excitement at the "hilarity" that presented for them, the opportunity for grand comedic amusement.

That opportunity to watch and to feel superior and to throw down the snark and the shame, that's high times for the SJW. That's a good day.

That's kind of a psychotic way to get your kicks, if you ask me, and unhealthy. Comedy in the classical sense is not unhealthy at all, it is the opposite. Comedy is an affirmation of life, and of fertility. Think "Midsummer Night's Dream", that's the classical idea of comedy. It's not getting off at other's expense.

It's like a sickness, a corruption has got them. Their comedy and depression neural clusters overlap, may even be the same.

Heck look at their so-called female comedians, like Lena Dunham, Amy Schumer, Sara Silverman, etc. What they do isn't funny, its more like "Haha, look what a cruel mean girl I can be!!"

Anonymous Grime Knight August 29, 2015 9:28 PM  

Airy-fairy whimsy is one particular trait in SJWs that make them look more like turds grasping at straws.

Anonymous Grime Knight August 29, 2015 9:36 PM  

@groot - SJWs have no shame. I'd be willing to bet that they would use that to cast Vox as "big meanie who harasses the disabled". Victimhood and all that.

Blogger Harsh August 29, 2015 9:47 PM  

Really, NorthernHamlet?

Blogger Josh August 29, 2015 9:51 PM  

Heck look at their so-called female comedians, like Lena Dunham, Amy Schumer, Sara Silverman, etc. What they do isn't funny, its more like "Haha, look what a cruel mean girl I can be!!"

Actually, it never even gets to that level. It's stuck at "I'm a girl and I have a vagina and periods and sex."

Blogger Daniel August 29, 2015 9:53 PM  

Ha. I thought clark and pope were the same guy.

Anonymous zen0 the Ephemeral August 29, 2015 10:01 PM  

@10

> What you're saying doesn't make sense. Antidepressants mitigate depression, which can allow laughter in this narrow view, not to mention that one can find something amusing or hilarious even with depression and no pills.

What you seem to be describing is common depression which is a fact of life, not clinical depression, which is a major medical condition. Anti-depression drugs don't make people happy, just less overwhelmed. They can even make people more susceptible to suicide.

Depression is not a laughing matter.

Blogger Carl Philipp August 29, 2015 10:14 PM  

@13 Groot
"You'd think they'd hide needing this, rather than advertise it."

You have to understand how they think.
To a compassionate and aware person, the fact that people who actually have mental conditions feel like they should hide it seems slightly tragic, because it means the people who actually need help are a little less likely to seek it.

To the SJW, it is proof that Society has deliberately organized a conspiracy for the express purpose of keeping people with mental health issues down, and this must be attacked and destroyed on all fronts. Be PROUD of your mental health issues! Down with the neurotypicallarchy!

Yet another special snowflake issue to parade themselves over.

Blogger Groot August 29, 2015 10:16 PM  

“Before you diagnose yourself with depression or low self esteem, first make sure that you are not, in fact, just surrounding yourself with assholes.” ― William Gibson

Anonymous zen0 the Ephemeral August 29, 2015 10:16 PM  

as it seems my comment is el dente and stuck to the fridge when flung, I would just like to point out how I used dialectic to make the point, and then finished with a sophisticated rhetorical flourish.

just in case you didn't notice.

Anonymous Nathan August 29, 2015 10:17 PM  

http://pulpdecameron.livejournal.com/4282.html

"I have mastered the art of surveillance. For the past four years I have meticulously watched the same woman through my telescope. I know every bra and pair of panties that she owns. I can describe, to the millimeter, the location of every blemish on her body. I have also learned endurance - I went the entirety of last March without touching myself as I watched her.

My language skills are admittedly below what you typically ask for in your operatives. However, I am a fast learner. In the event of interstellar war, I am prepared to speak Klingon."

by Philip Sandifer.

For that, the police visited him.

http://www.gainesville.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060523/LOCAL/205230326/1078/news

So, if Scalzi is McRapey, and Hines is McCreepy, what's Phil?

Anonymous NorthernHamlet August 29, 2015 10:17 PM  

zen0

Incorrect. I was talking about clinical depression, the kind that pills would be needed for.

While it's a common misconception that the pills make one happy, it's equally as common that depression is about being sad or unable to experience laughter.

Anonymous Nathan August 29, 2015 10:19 PM  

Sorry, VD, Markku,automathew, that was intended for another thread.

Anonymous Jack Amok August 29, 2015 10:27 PM  

You'd think they'd hide needing this, rather than advertise it.

They're very proud of their dysfunctions. It's one of the things that differentiates them from normal people. Normal people try to be as good as they can be. These misfits revel in whatever can bring them attention. Being an epic screwup is easier than being a success.

Anonymous zen0 the Ephemeral August 29, 2015 10:29 PM  

@25 Northern Hamlet

While it's a common misconception that the pills make one happy, it's equally as common that depression is about being sad or unable to experience laughter.

This is not the conclusion I would come to when perusing medical sites describing clinical depression and the symptoms thereof. I can laugh cynically as much as the next guy, but laughing hilariously, with abandon, is not one of the symptoms of clinical depression. Bipolar disorder, yes. Clinical depression, no.

Anonymous NateM August 29, 2015 10:31 PM  

@24 he meets all the major Rules. Most of all SJWs always project. He tries to project this sort of behavior onto the type of people he doesn't like "I was going after just the idea that people who want power are exactly the sort of people you don't want to have it,", when only an abnormal weirdo like himself would even think that way.

SJW's always double down: He was investigated and could have given information on the genesis of the story, or anything that would clear him, but he refused.

SJWs always lie: could this "story" not be all that far from the truth? i'd absolutely believe the bit about him stalking a woman for a period of months. It's amazing the amount of damage it can do to a person like him to be surrounded by normal people with normal social and sexual lives and to be entirely shunned by them. Sure he pretends to be above it all, but "the rapebeard doth protest too much"

Anonymous zen0 the Ephemeral August 29, 2015 10:38 PM  

@25 Northern Hamlet

While it's a common misconception that the pills make one happy, it's equally as common that depression is about being sad or unable to experience laughter.

This is not the conclusion I would come to when perusing medical sites describing clinical depression and the symptoms thereof. I can laugh cynically as much as the next guy, but laughing hilariously, with abandon, is not one of the symptoms of clinical depression. Bipolar disorder, yes. Clinical depression, no.

Blogger Harsh August 29, 2015 10:41 PM  

So, if Scalzi is McRapey, and Hines is McCreepy, what's Phil?

McStalky.

And I'm sure his story was "fiction". Sounded like cold, hard experience to me.

Blogger Josh August 29, 2015 10:41 PM  

So, if Scalzi is McRapey, and Hines is McCreepy, what's Phil?

McStalkey?

Anonymous zen0 the Ephemeral August 29, 2015 10:48 PM  

I think you have to give Phil props for not abusing himself for all of March while observing this woman, although it was not clear whether it was only during the actual observation or not.

But still, discipline is always a good thing.

Anonymous Jack Amok August 29, 2015 10:49 PM  

So, if Scalzi is McRapey, and Hines is McCreepy, what's Phil?

McPeeper.

Blogger Cataline Sergius August 29, 2015 10:54 PM  

You'd think they'd hide needing this, rather than advertise it.

Exchanging information on anti-psychotics is practically a club hand shake for these people.

The next level of trust involves showing each other where they cut themselves and wish to hell I was kidding about that.

Anonymous NorthernHamlet August 29, 2015 10:57 PM  

Zen0,

I suggest you reread and talk to someone with clinical depression.

Anonymous BGS August 29, 2015 11:03 PM  

Fluoxetine is Prozac

Anonymous zen0 August 29, 2015 11:10 PM  

@35 Northern Hamlet

I suggest you reread and talk to someone with clinical depression.

Because people with clinical depression are the equivalent of medical professionals?

Anonymous zen0 al dente August 29, 2015 11:22 PM  

@36 BGS

Fluoxetine is Prozac

All the people I know on Prozac have reality difficulties. Nothing pathological, just cultural.

Anonymous NorthernHamlet August 29, 2015 11:28 PM  

Because people with clinical depression are the equivalent of medical professionals?

no

Anonymous dh August 30, 2015 12:02 AM  

To the all the ilk, you need to be on the watch for Doctors who are happy to write prescriptions with a very short visit and chit-chat. I had a rough time Christmas last year with a close relative passing unexpectedly and a few other personal problems. It was close to a routine physical. A very brief mention of some of the stuff going on was enough for the doctor to write out, un-requested, a prescription for a pair of strong mood altering drugs. Like it nothing at all.

Just watch out for yourself and loved ones. There are probably some people out there who could use the chemical help, but don't be pressured into it by a doctor who is eager to help and well meaning but not always doing the best thing for you long-term.

Blogger ray August 30, 2015 12:07 AM  

They refuse to love truth, embrace their own wickedness and petty guile, then get depressed. Then expect to get off free with anti-depressants.

No, it's fine, you can keep on being a selfish smug punkette! Here's a prescription for some Zombie Pills you'll still be a scumbag but won't feel like it. Everybody's doing it. Trust me I'm a doctor.

Blogger Giuseppe August 30, 2015 12:35 AM  

VD et al.
There are actually three popehats. Clarkhat, who is a reasonable guy and he is smart, but, as sometimes happens to 150+IQ people, and even more so when surrounded by SJWs he really thinks he is ALWAYS the smartest person in the room, and he's also Catholic with a good dose of turn the other cheek.

A recent tweet in which he called Vox's continued use of Scalzi's "I'm a rapist" post to claim he is a rapist stupid, I pointed out he was wrong and he should keep reading to eventually see why Vox was doing that. He emoted instead of thinking it through and claimed I had said he should see eye-to-eye with Vox, when I had said nothing of the sort. I had said that reading Vox tend to paradigm shift you (usually out of zombiefication). He went silent. He's chewing it over. I think in due course Clark can still be saved. I have definitely noted a shift as I was tweeting with him and have emailed a bit with him since over a year ago.

Then there is Ken, the depressive SJW. He has a "good" intent but he is a hopeless SJW. He buys into all the gender equality blah, blah, blah crap. He's probably a decent lawyer though.

And then there is Patrick, who seems a narcissistic jerk. He is also incapable of controlling his impulses and he is addicted to vaping. For which comment he blocked me.

Anonymous Ain August 30, 2015 1:00 AM  

The hat worn by Popehat is of the three tails and bells variety. He's proud of it, though it marks him a fool to all that see him.

Blogger ScuzzaMan August 30, 2015 1:08 AM  

"Depression is not a laughing matter"

Amongst your enemies, it most certainly is.

Blogger Markku August 30, 2015 1:37 AM  

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/AnxietyTreating/story?id=4665294

The amgydala is shown to activate too much in anxiety disorders. When we give people SSRIs, this amygdala activation is reduced, showing us that the drug actually has an affect on the brain that correlates with an improvement in symptoms.

Well whoop de f***ing do!

Blogger Alexander August 30, 2015 2:23 AM  

Year of Three Popehats

Blogger LP999/S.I.G. Burn'in Up! August 30, 2015 2:24 AM  

What business of theirs is your father? How creepy and disconnected from reality are those you kindly tolerate.

45. excellent point.

The amgydala needs tripped and/or activated to move beyond anxiety or worry or fear into higher concerns like a future, a relationship with Christ, creativity, health. I maintain the nervous types need GABA supplementation, the depressed need more workouts. I dont know for certain but I've always promoted the possibility sedatives promote cognitive decline. Yet I'm all wrong according to experts.

One cannot fix a broken or not functioning normally mind. What is broken is broken. Sadly, I'd suppose that is where meds arrive.

Most of which fail and disable a person further.

The psy-tropics and SSRI's are failures, those trying to survive on them, I hope will heal.

Adventures in rhetoric with the ill are sad, the loss of reality reflects grave decline. It also reflects a serious victimhood status. It is like the opposite of a feudal era sumari warrior spirit.

Blogger Markku August 30, 2015 2:41 AM  

The way I see it, meds are like a loan. Now, a loan can save you from economical dire straits, but only if you then use those temporary resources to start improving your situation. Immediately, when you receive them. Because you WILL pay it back, with interest. So, you'd better have generated some income in the meanwhile.

Same thing with meds. If it's some sudden calamity that strikes, then they can help you be functional in the time where you otherwise wouldn't have been, and start attacking the problem earlier than otherwise. But if you do nothing in that time, then you'll just walk away with one extra problem - not being able to function without the meds, while still having all the same problems that you started with.

Blogger ScuzzaMan August 30, 2015 2:55 AM  

From todays Independent:

"The newcomer award, worth £5,000, went to 26-year-old Danish stand-up Sofie Hagen, from Copenhagen, for her highly personal show recalling her teenage years as a fan of Irish boy band Westlife, as well as her battles with depression over her body image."

Now what part of that isnt funny?

Blogger Markku August 30, 2015 2:57 AM  

Let me hazard a guess: The "body image" was actually the precisely correct image of her body, and the proper emotional response to it WAS that of depression.

Blogger ScuzzaMan August 30, 2015 3:06 AM  

Let's just say that, were I to post a pic link, you'd think I was Steve.

Blogger Markku August 30, 2015 3:10 AM  

And now we as a society play a game of make-believe where she not only doesn't look revolting, but is actually quite beautiful. And if you criticize this game, you might as well have said weeaboo.

Blogger LP999/S.I.G. Burn'in Up! August 30, 2015 3:12 AM  

I'll always attempt to endure as someone very attune once advise me.

Good way to explain it like loan. I'll always say its not zen in the end to spend like a Keynesian.

Post america; what I've read and seen from side effects, even in a depop'ed area like mine, its many zombie like people, deadened eyes, slow gait, unsteady gait, nearly demonic sounding laughter...The MPAI factor is infecting me taking my life force not matter how objective I remain.

The pysch control here is for obedience, shopping, fearing and submitting to the untenable or unlivable.

Meanwhile I am stuck living with those whom barely operate in reality.

Blogger LP999/S.I.G. Burn'in Up! August 30, 2015 3:16 AM  

Sofie Hagen = soft thinsperation.

Anonymous Bz August 30, 2015 3:50 AM  

Stay out of jail, Phil. It's not a good sign if your innocent activities are creeping out the police. Next time something bad happens they might start digging up your parents' backyard.

The same goes for Kate Nepveu, it seems. Stop it with the fake charities and false donations, or the IRS will eventually get you. (Apart from tax free con tickets to the worthy, I wonder what else that "charity" was up to.)

This time after the Hugos has been rather instructive. I like it.

Blogger ScuzzaMan August 30, 2015 3:55 AM  

I love the simple delusions. It's not a problem that her body is actually dangerously obese. Oh no, the priblem is her body's IMAGE. And the solution to the image of her body being grossly overweight is to try and commissar the whole world into lying to her, telling her she is beautiful, and joining her suicidal conspiracy.

Depression?

How about psychosis?

I think I'll stay in the reality based community, thanks anyway.

Blogger chris August 30, 2015 5:41 AM  

@56. Please. No. Do not say psychosis. That means that she'll be admitted and i will have to talk to her before telling her publically that she is not mad, but she needs to lose some pounds for the sake of her liver and cardiovascular system and she will put a formal complaint in about my microaggression.

For them, Starbucks made coffee into whale feed.

Blogger Zeke OF Confettii August 30, 2015 7:41 AM  

Phil seems to be angling for the screenplay of the reboot of _Rear Window_.

Blogger Zeke OF Confettii August 30, 2015 7:48 AM  

Phil seems to be angling for the screenplay of the reboot of _Rear Window_.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan August 30, 2015 9:10 AM  

Well look at what white liberals have to hang their hats on for tribal identity that can be demonstrated for at the Democratic party councils of war for victimhood. As far as I can tell they have two things, environmentalism and mental and emotional defectiveness, and since they are feminine minded they concentrate on self so being mentally defective is where they hang their hats.

Can you really imagine a purple haired lardo pothead hiking the trails with a backpack?

Blogger Joe A. August 30, 2015 9:34 AM  

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Blogger Bard August 30, 2015 9:39 AM  

@33 McPeepy

Blogger automatthew August 30, 2015 11:03 AM  

McWTF

Anonymous Fjyord August 30, 2015 11:26 AM  

@VD
You are mistaking a casual bit of dismissiveness and mocking for attempts at provoking an emotional response.

Blogger Cail Corishev August 30, 2015 11:40 AM  

You are mistaking a casual bit of dismissiveness and mocking for attempts at provoking an emotional response.

No, it's just the opposite: SJWs like to try to provoke an emotional response, but dress it up as casual mocking so that when they get the emotional response, they can act surprised: "Gee, I was just kidding around; why so serious?"

Anonymous Fjyord August 30, 2015 11:47 AM  

@cail

"SJW" begins to have no meaning at all when things get made up for no reason other than to try to act superior.

Blogger VFM bot #188 August 30, 2015 11:47 AM  

Hmmm. Does this minion choose to post unpopular facts in the face of an apparent unhealthy unaminity? Why yes...yes it does:

(1) There are people who read this blog and fully support the war against the SJW disease who take anti-depressants. (2) There are people who read this blog and fully support the war against the SJW disease who are ugly, elderly, sick, overweight, unfit, infirm, or---apologies for even using this stupid phrase---differently abled. (3) These people are fully on our side, fully able to follow the discussions and assess the varied arguments, and are shooting in the right direction.

There's enough hooting, sneering, snark, and supercilious lip-curling here to become...distburbing, and tiresome. Enough to awaken this minion---vile and faceless though it may be---to agitation. Overgeneralized superiority snark gets old. Worse yet, it is counterproductive. There are many different types who will play important parts in our righteous war.

And I swear, if anyone here responds with a sniff and some kind of remark like "we don't need those kind of people supporting us"...this minion will tear your fucking head off and shit down your neck. We don't need idiots on our side harming our cause either.

Blogger LP999/S.I.G. Burn'in Up! August 30, 2015 11:56 AM  

It is still sad and instructive that Vox just asking a simple question and the person could not answer instead we are distracted with what kind of meds the person takes which is none of my real concern.

The emotionalism and the redirecting to the person personal-personal-personal problems takes priority over Vox's simple question.

Blogger automatthew August 30, 2015 12:11 PM  

Fjyord, would you care to tell us under what names you've previously commented?

Anonymous Jack Amok August 30, 2015 1:01 PM  

Almost everything the cedentialed experts have been telling us about diet and exercise over the last 40 years is almost 180 degress wrong. One of the things they've been telling us is to eat a low-fat diet, but fat contains a whole bunch of organic compounds that are essential for producing various hormones and difficult for the body to synthesize.

I wonder how many people on meds for various chemical imbalances would still need those meds if they just ate a healthy diet including essential fats.

Blogger VD August 30, 2015 1:39 PM  

You are mistaking a casual bit of dismissiveness and mocking for attempts at provoking an emotional response.

No, I'm not. You are "mistaking" an attempt at provoking an emotional response made under the cover of being casual. Especially since the context is Ken seeking rhetorical revenge for my provoking his own emotional response a few weeks ago.

Of course, you're just another SJW doing what SJWs do. Lying about the obvious. Only SJWs ever deny the existence of SJWs.

Blogger R Beisert August 30, 2015 1:40 PM  

@71 Jack, I was one of those people on meds for various chemical imbalances.

Cutting out the rancid vegetable oils (canola, sunflower, soybean, etc.) and increasing intake of saturated fats 100% straightened me out. In about a month

Blogger WarKicker August 30, 2015 1:44 PM  

dh, ray, and Amok are accurate in their assessment and unfortunately I get to see it play out all the time. My office knows to give me an extra 5-10 minutes with any patients on an antidepressant, even for the simplest complaints like a sore throat.

Blogger SciVo August 30, 2015 1:52 PM  

VFM bot #188 @68: "Overgeneralized superiority snark gets old. Worse yet, it is counterproductive. There are many different types who will play important parts in our righteous war."

I agree with the overgeneralized qualifier. I am, in fact, one of those whose quality of life has been markedly increased by a single, mild medication. However, I don't take it personally here or at The Other McCain, where "crazy people are dangerous" should be a tag (and yes, he's triggered Popehat before too).

We are opposing people who have such a warped view of the world that victim points are their measure of virtue, so they brag about their mental dysfunctions. Since they also set themselves up as cultural commissars and arbiters of right thinking, it is not only appropriate but necessary to point out that by their own admission, they are the least qualified people in the world to tell the rest of us how our society should be ordered.

Blogger VFM bot #188 August 30, 2015 3:30 PM  

@SciVo: Point taken. I don't object to using any and all weapons against the SJW Disease, including fat shaming, mentioning mental imbalances, etc. The enemy we face has the power right now, so all the more reason to nuke them with whatever we have. I only objec to overgeneralization. Don't let our righteous rage bleed over. We have supporters and combatants who may be fat or who take anti-depressants, and they're wholly on our side.

Blogger JAY WILL August 30, 2015 3:57 PM  

You can fry your brain with hedonism, the drug industry is hedonism in pill form. Anxiety reducers seem like health products, their not, they are a way to get an easy social status fix. Had arguments with online "addicts" who go bonkers when I say its not an illness the way cancer is an illness.

If you hate anxiety you hate life.

Anonymous Anonymous Something August 30, 2015 4:22 PM  

@68 FWIW, here's some full disclosure on me: I'm fat. Technically speaking, I meet the current definition for morbidly obese--my BMI at the moment is somewhere around 42. I am mildly Aspie. I haven't had a date in over three years.

I am honest about these things to myself, and recognize that they are problems. (Well, the Aspie thing has benefits too, like making me really good at my mid-six-figures programming job.)

Having just returned from ScooterFest (i.e. Worldcon), I am once again confirmed in my resolve to fully support merciless mockery of SJWs for their physical and mental defects. My primary reason is this: they won't face reality there either. Claiming 400-pound women are attractive is like claiming "If You Were a Dinosaur" is science fiction. (Insert joke about dinosaur-sized women here.)

So mock away--I'm fat, lonely, and a bit sad, but at least I know myself.

Blogger Groot August 30, 2015 5:11 PM  

@24. Nathan:
"Philip Sandifer... For that, the police visited him."

He knows what it's like to be scrutinized by the Though Police. So, he took up arms and joined... the Thought Police. What a rat.

@53. Markku:
"And now we as a society play a game of make-believe where she not only doesn't look revolting, but is actually quite beautiful. And if you criticize this game, you might as well have said weeaboo."

That is a twisted cartoon. The rest on the site are pretty funny, sometimes.

You know, I think some of them believe that men can choose what they find attractive, and that they purposely choose to oppress women by being attracted to thin, pretty women with gravity-resistant golden bozos. I wonder if they can change their tastes like choosing a radio station, and project that onto men.

@68. VFM bot #188:

I subscribe to the impetus of your sentiments (even though I'm not sure who's bullying anybody here). My cousins the Ents know there are many denizens in the forest, many quite small. They still like to stomp on orcs, though.

Anonymous Jack Amok August 30, 2015 5:19 PM  

I was one of those people on meds for various chemical imbalances.

Cutting out the rancid vegetable oils (canola, sunflower, soybean, etc.) and increasing intake of saturated fats 100% straightened me out. In about a month


Glad to hear it.

Blogger Were-Puppy August 30, 2015 5:45 PM  

@24 Nathan

So, if Scalzi is McRapey, and Hines is McCreepy, what's Phil?
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I'm thinking McPeepy.

Blogger Cail Corishev August 30, 2015 5:45 PM  

VFM bot #188, try not to let it bug you. I don't think anyone here begrudges you the genuine help you've gotten from medication. But since you have some experience in that area, you must know how easy it is to get diagnosed and medicated by most docs (except for a few good ones like Chris). You surely know people who are just irresponsible or lazy, but who use medication as a crutch or an excuse. "Hee hee, I'm being a bitch because my meds aren't right yet, so deal with it." There's a lot of abuse of the process going on, but that doesn't mean it applies to you.

As long as we're sharing: several years ago, I got diagnosed as ADHD. I had read up on it and wanted to try medication, but I didn't want to spend a lot on therapy sessions getting it. It was the easiest thing ever: since I had read up on it, I knew what to tell the shrink, and in 30 minutes or so had her convinced I was one of the clearest ADHD cases she'd seen. I didn't lie to her, either; I just talked about difficulty concentrating, having too many thoughts whizzing through my head, etc. I knew the cant -- which perennial patients quickly learn -- to frame it the right way.

I took the drug -- basically speed -- for a few months, and discovered that it took the edge off and made me care a lot less about things, but it didn't make me any more organized or focused, so I dropped it. Turns out I was just kinda lazy and disorganized, and needed to get my act together. That doesn't mean I think everyone on medication is like me -- some genuinely need it -- but I know how easy it is to play the game. If I'd had insurance that covered it, or wanted to play the public assistance game as well, I could still be playing the "find the right dosage of the right med" game and blaming that for any imperfections in my life.

Blogger SciVo August 30, 2015 5:48 PM  

Groot @79: "I wonder if they can change their tastes like choosing a radio station, and project that onto men."

Yes and no. Women look at the classic rich guy/hot chick combo, and wonder why men are so inflexible in their preferences...

And it doesn't occur to them to wonder the same about themselves. Oh, but you see, they're just being practical. ;)

Blogger Cail Corishev August 30, 2015 5:53 PM  

Cutting out the rancid vegetable oils

This is big, at least for some people. I ran out of lard a while back, and grabbed some vegetable oil to get by until I could make a new batch. My mind worked enough worse that even I could tell the difference in mood and speed of thinking.

You really don't want your myelin being built of broken or inflammatory fats.

Blogger Were-Puppy August 30, 2015 6:06 PM  

Does olive oil count as one of these rancid vegetable oils?

Blogger Danby August 30, 2015 6:14 PM  

78. Anonymous Something.
Two of my sons have Aspergers. The best, and I mean very best thing for them was focused, intense physical activity. The older one did Tae Kwon Do, the younger did competitive horsemanship (barrel racing, dressage, etc) For both of them, I could see the effects for days after each session. In fact the older one we eventually signed up for two different martial arts so that he could get the effect distributed through the week. both disciplines require the student to pay attention to things outside his head, which, as you know better than I do, is what causes most of the problems for people with Aspergers. The one in martial arts developed the ability to actually read faces, which was new for him.

I would highly recommend something similar for anyone who suffers from symptoms of Aspergers. Any activity, even running or lifting will help, but it seemed for them that the keys were intensity of physical effort, discipline, and competition.

Blogger Danby August 30, 2015 6:19 PM  

@85 Were-puppy
By rancid, he means hydrogenated, as in shortening. So animal fats (butter, lard, suet) are not a problem, but solidified vegetable oils (margarine, Crisco, frying oil) are.
Lliquid vegetable oils, like almond, olive, peanut, etc are not a problem either. Some naturally solid vegetable oils (palm oil, coconut) are also not a problem.
And opinions differ on some of the liquid vegetable oils (soybean, canola, etc) taken from seeds rather than nuts.

Blogger Were-Puppy August 30, 2015 6:43 PM  

@87

Thanks, I'm in process of getting into a healthier diet. And I will use olive oil sometimes.

Anonymous That Would Be Telling August 30, 2015 6:43 PM  

@87 Danby: Another example where trans is bad and cis is good, according to all right thinking people.

Anonymous Steve August 30, 2015 7:26 PM  

Anonymous Something - I was a fat guy too, till I cut out all beer and wine and went low-carb. Lost about 70lbs inside 18 months. Atkins really works if you read the book and follow it - especially realising that you DO need healthy carbs in your diet, and SHOULD NOT stay on induction indefinitely. The Atkins horror stories you may have heard about all seem to come from people thinking that shovelling bacon into their mouths is "Atkins". If you treat the book like you would a car or programming manual, it works fine.

Primal diets work on similar principles and those work too.

#188 - I'm on a daily dose of SSRIs, after struggling with depression and anxiety for most of my life.

I self medicated with booze, without realising it. Apparently a lot of men do. Winston Churchill is probably the most famous example, but my father, his brothers, and their father were all alcoholics with depression issues too.

When I gave up drink, I naively expected everything to get easier. Ha ha! Nope.

I was prepared for the detox bit. The flu symptoms, crying in the shower like a big pussy, and other hilarious tricks the body of a recovering alcoholic plays on him. It was like my brain had a drunk Clippy in it. Remember Clippy, that annoying little bastard who popped up in MS Word whenever you tried to do anything?

Drunk Clippy had a big, shit-eating grin and a St. Paddy's Day party hat on, and said

"LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE TRYING NOT TO DIE OF LIVER FAILURE! WOULD YOU LIKE TO:

* Take a drink; or
* Hallucinate that your dead gran is clawing her way across the hallway to sink her moss-encrusted false teeth into your sweating neck?"

Fucking Clippy.

So after he fucked off, and I celebrated a year of sobriety, I realised things weren't getting better. They were worse. The booze had been a crutch, and I was now the proverbial one legged man in an arse-kicking contest. Eventually I asked for help.

I was highly suspicious of SSRI's at first and it took the advice of two separate doctors and further months of non-pharmeceutical alternatives before I gave them a try.

But eventually I took the crazy pills. One of the best things that's ever happened to me. I'm not doped up or happy-happy-joy-joy - SSRI's don't work that way. I'm just mentally clearer and more sociable and able to be a better Dad, husband and employee than I was without them.

There's no honour or shame in needing medicine, IMO. The way SJW's fetishise their problems, offering them up like a beggar showing off his sores, disgusts me. I share the concerns about how some doctors hand pills out like sweeties, and certainly wouldn't encourage anybody to take brain candy without thorough research and trying all the alternatives first.

But for some folks, a dose of whatever a day just keeps them functioning normally in the same way some people need glasses to see. And some folks abuse them or use them as an excuse not to sort their lives out or are talked into them by doctors who really like prescribing pills. Everybody's different.

Blogger Cail Corishev August 30, 2015 7:33 PM  

Does olive oil count as one of these rancid vegetable oils?

No, but olive oil is somewhat high in omega-6 fatty acids, which are inflammatory. If you use a lot of olive oil, you might want to balance it with fish oils (or oily fish) or other omega-3 foods. Best thing is to use saturated animal fats like lard and butter or coconut oil for most things, and save the olive oil for salads and such.

Olive oil is far, far better than hydrogenated fats and most seed oils. It's just not ideal to use for everything, especially if you're trying to "recover" from a lifetime of industrial seed oils.

Anonymous patrick kelly August 30, 2015 7:51 PM  

As I have encountered the SJW's and even moderates on social media, they are usually the ones posting constant barrages about how Vox, or Coulter, or Cruz, or Trump etc. are "batshit crazy......can you believe someone actually says this stuff and believes it?" Their incredulity seems impervious to actual observation or rational analysis and immune to dialectic.

Anonymous patrick kelly August 30, 2015 8:06 PM  

@41 "To the all the ilk, you need to be on the watch for Doctors who are happy to write prescriptions with a very short visit and chit-chat. '

Very true, once after a physical I passed very well the doctor just casually asked a "how's life" kinda' question. I mentioned I was in kind of a funk, having a harder time waking up and getting going and being motivated. He immediately asked me if I would like some Prozac. Yes, really.

I said no. Then he suggested some more exercise, getting out in the sun more, drinking less, and eating better. WTF didn't he tell me that first?

All those things still work for me, but it is a daily choice I have to make and work at.

Anonymous Jack Amok August 30, 2015 8:19 PM  

Does olive oil count as one of these rancid vegetable oils?

Olive oil is fine, as is coconut oil and butter. Olive and Coconut oil are both MCTs (medium chain triglycerides), which are a fantastic source of fuel when you are keto-adapted. Also a fantastic source of fat when you are trying to switch over and become keto-adapted (keto-adapted = your body burns fat - ketones - for fuel instead of carbs - glucose) because MCTs require less work for your body to digest than other fats.

Butter has some MCTs too. Grass-fed butter is better, as it has more Omega-3. And as far as Omega-6 vs Omega-3, it's not so much that Omega-6 is bad, it's just that we really ought to have a balance of the two in our diet and we get far more Omega-6 through most foods, so you kind of have to go out of your way to get Omega-3 up to par.

Funny (and by that I mean sad) thing, is MCT oil supplements are being used to treat patients with dimentia and Parkinson's. It works great and the medical professionals advocating it know why - insulin resistence makes it hard for brain cells to get enough glucose to survive, so brain cells in Alzheimer's (aka Type III Diabetes) patients are literally starving to death, but ketones can fuel the brain too and MCT oil allows their brain cells to get the energy they need.

But, the professionals can't just out and out recommend these elderly people be put on a Low-Carb, High-Fat diet because they would be hounded out of the profession for going against dogma.

Anonymous Jack Amok August 30, 2015 8:27 PM  

And as far as animal fats go, fish and (grass-fed) beef are best, pork is okay, and chicken is lest good (though still better for you than vegetable oils). On the "good for you" scale at least . On the "tastes great" scale, Emeril got it right - pork fat rules.

Blogger Cail Corishev August 30, 2015 8:40 PM  

Jack, yeah, if people think the dogma is strong on topics like immigration, they should look into nutrition and the pro-grain/anti-animal-fat dogma pushed by government and industry. Anti-fat dogma may be the most unshakable there is. We have piles of studies showing what's good and bad, and they have little besides Ancel Keys's cherry-picking and some weak correlation studies, yet they maintain utter dominance on the topic. I've been following the topic for 20 years, and despite all the new studies, all the success of low-carb, all the "Well, we guess maybe eggs aren't so bad for you after all" admissions, mainstream belief hasn't budged. Normal people still think the bun is healthy and the burger isn't.

Anonymous Forrest Bishop VFM #0167 August 30, 2015 8:58 PM  

@68. VFM bot #188

Spoken like a minion's minion.

Anonymous Jack Amok August 30, 2015 9:26 PM  

mainstream belief hasn't budged. Normal people still think the bun is healthy and the burger isn't.

I see some encouraging signs though. I'm discovering more MD's than I would have thought are pro-ketogenic diet. They just aren't comfortable introducing the subject for fear of the howling Board-Certified thought police, but if you show interest in it, they'll blow you away with information. The current medical profession is going to collapse thanks to Obamacare anyway, so there's some hope it'll free them of their professional shackles.

And more average folks are finding out about it. Nothing sells like success. I was at a BBQ a couple weekends ago. Two of the guys there joined me full-keto about six months ago. They've lost a bunch of weight and look great. They're in their late 40's. A group of women complimented them and asked what their diet was. We told them, and I even offered them some of the fat bombs I'd made (Coconut Oil, heavy cream, cream cheese, vanilla extract). Three of them have been hounding my wife for recipes ever since. Lose weight and eat stuff that tastes that good?

I think the guy running the ruled.me website may help turn the tide. The pictures he has on there look fantastic, and I haven't tried anything that didn't taste great. Plus, it's subversive, and people get a thrill from being subversive.

Counter-culture, baby! Fight the Man.

Blogger Cail Corishev August 30, 2015 9:50 PM  

Jack, I kinda burned out on the topic a few years ago, when even people who knew me well and had asked me for information -- even borrowed books from me -- would still say things like, "But bread is good as long as it's whole-grain, right?" I got to the point where I knew what I needed to know, and no one else was listening, so....

But you're right, there's progress. It's just all at the individual level, nothing in the official channels. And you're right that nothing sells like success. I figure to be more vocal about it again when I've lost more weight myself.

Anonymous Forrest Bishop VFM #0167 August 30, 2015 10:11 PM  

@99. Cail Corishev

Jack, I kinda burned out on the topic a few years ago, when even people who knew me well and had asked me for information -- even borrowed books from me -- would still say things like, "But bread is good as long as it's whole-grain, right?"

And you're right that nothing sells like success. I figure to be more vocal about it again when I've lost more weight myself.


Righto. My now-ex gf got me off the gluten a few years ago. My weight and BMI immediately returned to what they were in college, without any intention or diligence on my part. Now I look and move almost like a twentysomething, at least from a distance. Even got hit on by a 20something waitress a few days ago. My 40something friend was fun-jealous. I'm 60.

Blogger SciVo August 31, 2015 12:05 AM  

@ Jack Amok: "On the "tastes great" scale, Emeril got it right - pork fat rules."

I've read that "heirloom" pig breeds raised a more old-fashioned way, what we Oregonians might call "artisanal" pork -- roaming freer, allowed to root around under trees for fallen nuts, for example -- actually have quite high levels of EFAs. We are what we eat, and what we eat is what it eats too.

Blogger Groot August 31, 2015 12:13 AM  

I finally came out of denial, and admitted that my persistent bloat was, in truth, an incipient gut. So I read and adhered to the advice proffered by Gary Taubes in 2010 - Why We Get Fat, as consistently advocated by Instapundit. Since switching my diet, I have reverted to not worrying about a gut and not thinking about what I eat.

It involves taking what had been a breakfast of cereal, a sandwich for lunch, and pasta, rice or potatoes along with meat for dinner, and eliminating all of the food. Except for the meat. Now it's a yogurt for breakfast, an open-face sandwich with more meat for lunch, and all kinds of meat for dinner. After the requisite creativity in discovering new dishes mostly of meat, I've settled into some favorites.

Steak is good, and a gut is not Groot-like.

Blogger SciVo August 31, 2015 1:09 AM  

@ Jack Amok: "On the "tastes great" scale, Emeril got it right - pork fat rules."

I've read that "heirloom" pig breeds raised a more old-fashioned way, what we Oregonians might call "artisanal" pork -- roaming freer, allowed to root around under trees for fallen nuts, for example -- actually have quite high levels of EFAs. We are what we eat, and what we eat is what it eats too.

Blogger SciVo August 31, 2015 1:09 AM  

@ Jack Amok: "On the "tastes great" scale, Emeril got it right - pork fat rules."

I've read that "heirloom" pig breeds raised a more old-fashioned way, what we Oregonians might call "artisanal" pork -- roaming freer, allowed to root around under trees for fallen nuts, for example -- actually have quite high levels of EFAs. We are what we eat, and what we eat is what it eats too.

Blogger Were-Puppy August 31, 2015 1:41 AM  

@95 Jack Amok August 30, 2015 8:27 PM
And as far as animal fats go, fish and (grass-fed) beef are best, pork is okay, and chicken is lest good (though still better for you than vegetable oils). On the "good for you" scale at least . On the "tastes great" scale, Emeril got it right - pork fat rules
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Where does Bison and Turkey fit in this scheme?

Blogger Were-Puppy August 31, 2015 1:44 AM  

@96 Cail Corishev
Normal people still think the bun is healthy and the burger isn't
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Are there any guidelines for bread? I always feel better the less of it I eat.

Blogger Were-Puppy August 31, 2015 1:51 AM  

98. Jack Amok August 30, 2015 9:26 PM
mainstream belief hasn't budged. Normal people still think the bun is healthy and the burger isn't.

I see some encouraging signs though. I'm discovering more MD's than I would have thought are pro-ketogenic diet. They just aren't comfortable introducing the subject for fear of the howling Board-Certified thought police, but if you show interest in it, they'll blow you away with information. The current medical profession is going to collapse thanks to Obamacare anyway, so there's some hope it'll free them of their professional shackles.

And more average folks are finding out about it. Nothing sells like success. I was at a BBQ a couple weekends ago. Two of the guys there joined me full-keto about six months ago. They've lost a bunch of weight and look great. They're in their late 40's. A group of women complimented them and asked what their diet was. We told them, and I even offered them some of the fat bombs I'd made (Coconut Oil, heavy cream, cream cheese, vanilla extract). Three of them have been hounding my wife for recipes ever since. Lose weight and eat stuff that tastes that good?

I think the guy running the ruled.me website may help turn the tide. The pictures he has on there look fantastic, and I haven't tried anything that didn't taste great. Plus, it's subversive, and people get a thrill from being subversive.

Counter-culture, baby! Fight the Man.
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I've never heard of it. Going to check it out, as I am serious about finding some kind of diet to help me begin to get back on my feet. I had good success in past with a glycemic index diet, but now I don't want to deal with all the grains and such. They can literally put me in pain for a week.

Anonymous Jack Amok August 31, 2015 2:35 AM  

Where does Bison and Turkey fit in this scheme

Bison is good. Turkey I'm not sure of, but it's listed as high in CLA (Conjugated Linolic Acid) which is good from a metabolic standpoint.

Anonymous Jack Amok August 31, 2015 2:44 AM  

Were-puppy, go for it. Ruled.me is a good place to start, easy to follow and you'll be happy with the food. Check out his guidelines and recipes. Shoot for under 50 g carbs per day and the bulk of your calories from fats (if you eat too much protein, you body converts the excess into carbs). Stick with it at least a month and see what you think.

If you like podcasts, listen to Jimmy Moore's Livin' La Vida Low-Carb.

Anonymous Jack Amok August 31, 2015 3:25 AM  

Are there any guidelines for bread?

Treat it like Ice Cream or Snicker's Bars. Eat it once in awhile for a treat, but it shouldn't be part of your every day diet.

Anonymous Forrest Bishop VFM #0167 August 31, 2015 3:44 AM  

Title of Post: Adventures in rhetoric
"It's intriguing to see how a simple mention of an easily verified observation brings, shall we say, the medicated, out of the woodwork:" - VD

And how quick and simple it for that topic to zoom right on off to the best kinds of pork fat and why one should avoid bread. Zoooom!

Hmm. Some say that wheat contains various psychotropics which make it addictive, so maybe the excursion wasn't too far.

Anonymous Forrest Bishop VFM #0167 August 31, 2015 4:05 AM  

@110. Jack Amok

"Are there any guidelines for bread?"

Treat it like Ice Cream or Snicker's Bars. Eat it once in awhile for a treat, but it shouldn't be part of your every day diet.

Agreed. I love good bread but have all but sworn it off along with the other grains that have any gluten. Eating any grain- which is basically grass- at all is unnatural We're not exactly evolved for that. Cows and rabbits have the digestive system for grass, hominids and apes do not. We can eat it, obviously, but only after it has been artificially processed by cooking it. Wheat probably began as a famine food, one step removed from eating dirt, and probably only after the discovery of fire and the invention of the baking oven. The stuff grown now, common bread wheat, is an artificial hybrid of at least three different plants, 'genetically engineered' some time ago. No way can that be an optimum food.

Yes, all that may have led to civilization and the masses of bread-fed proles, however, the beer theory has certain strong points over the bread theory.

Blogger VFM bot #188 August 31, 2015 4:49 AM  

@Cail #82: Thank you for the admirable sentiments. One correction: My post did not say I myself am taking any psychotropic medication. (I may or may not be; irrelevant). The point was concern for other actual and potential supporters who might be negatively affected by a generalized atmosphere of disapproval and catcalling on the subject...while granting the point about the aberrant state of SJW mental health. (After all, in order to be an SJW, you have to have something wrong with your mental outlook; that's why it can be called "the SJW disease".)

Blogger Cail Corishev August 31, 2015 6:07 AM  

Where does Bison and Turkey fit in this scheme?

Bison with beef, turkey with chicken, more or less.

But to be clear: all animal fats rank way, way above hydrogenated vegetable oils. If I were putting fats on a scale from 1-100, 100 being best, it would be something like coconut oil 100, butter 98, beef tallow 96, pork lard 94, olive oil 92, poultry fat 90, cold-pressed sunflower oil 50, hydrogenated vegetable oil or margarine 5. (That's just an off-the-cuff ranking from me; nothing scientific.) When we talk about beef tallow being better than lard, it's a relative thing; they're both good. The only ones I'd avoid entirely -- because they're not actually food -- are the hydrogenated ones.

Blogger Cail Corishev August 31, 2015 6:19 AM  

Are there any guidelines for bread? I always feel better the less of it I eat.

It's best for humans not to eat grains, "whole" or otherwise. Leave them for the birds, and eat the birds (and eggs).

Now, I'm not one for being obsessive about it. And humans were able to eat bread and stay healthy once upon a time. But things have changed. Modern wheat has considerably more gluten in it than it used to, because the gluten is what makes it stretchy and gives you a nice fluffy loaf, so it's been bred for that. Processing takes out nearly all the nutrition, including the enzymes which would help you break down what's left. "Fortifying" it or adding back just enough roughage to make it brownish doesn't make up for that.

If you're growing your own grain, grinding it fresh, and making your own sourdoughs like Ma Ingalls, it's probably not too bad for you. But if you're talking store-bought bread, then like Jack said, treat it like a dessert or junk food, not a staple. If you like bread enough to eat it on that basis, then enjoy a piece once in a while.

I'd suggest that everyone go gluten-free for a few months as an experiment, though, to see if he notices a difference in health, especially mood and mental clarity.

Blogger Shimshon August 31, 2015 9:03 AM  

I started buying coconut oil and grass-fed butter earlier this year. I have been very pleased.

Blogger Were-Puppy August 31, 2015 10:22 AM  

@111 Forrest Bishop VFM #0167
Title of Post: Adventures in rhetoric
"It's intriguing to see how a simple mention of an easily verified observation brings, shall we say, the medicated, out of the woodwork:" - VD

And how quick and simple it for that topic to zoom right on off to the best kinds of pork fat and why one should avoid bread. Zoooom!
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Guilty as charged :P And I'm usually a stickler for keeping things on point. *slaps self*

Blogger Kaijubushi August 31, 2015 10:55 AM  

Not all the people on meds are brain-dead SJWs. Yes I'm on meds for OCD. I don't like taking them but right now with 2 little kids it'll have to do unless someone else has some recommendations. The taking of meds are a good signifier for SJW delusion but I don't think it holds true all the time.

Blogger B.J. August 31, 2015 11:15 AM  

Jeez, so many wasted words. Just say, "You are arrogant, Vox." He would probably agree with you!

Anonymous Jack Amok August 31, 2015 11:26 AM  

I'm on meds for OCD. I don't like taking them but right now with 2 little kids it'll have to do unless someone else has some recommendations.

I have two.

First, get a second opinion, and get it from a neurologist. I wouldn't take meds strictly on the recommendation of a GP or a Psychiatrist. Both groups tend to overprescribe. And when you see the neurologist, show him a list of all the meds you're taking, regardless of what they're for, so he can weed out any interactions.

Second, take a good, hard look at your diet. The whole "pork fat" digression above started when I observed a lot of people are on low-fat diets, but fats contain a whole bunch of complex organic compounds the body needs to produce the hormones and neurotransmitters that our brains use. If you're on a low-fat diet, it's entirely possible your diet is causing the chemical imbalance that the meds you're taking are trying to correct. Or maybe you are just missing important vitamins and minerals.

Blogger CurlyQ August 31, 2015 11:51 AM  

"Are there any guidelines for bread? I always feel better the less of it I eat."

Sourdough is your friend. During the process of making sourdough the grain is predigested and broken down, turning it into a far better food for the human body. Many people who are sensitive to gluten can tolerate a good sourdough, and it never hurts to use an original strain of grain like Kamut, Einkorn, etc.
You can make anything sourdough. I do sourdough tortillas, cakes, cinnamon rolls, etc.

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