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Friday, August 14, 2015

And they said it would never catch on


Isn't it fascinating how "cuckservative" bothers both the spineless GOP supporters of the post-1965 invasion as well as The New York Times? I wonder why that might be? But regardless, we have it straight from the Gray Lady: "the term has caught on".
Cuckservative is an amalgamation of the word cuckold — the husband of an adulterous woman — and conservative. The implication is that mainstream Republicans, like jilted husbands, are facing humiliation and have lost sight of their futures.

The Southern Poverty Law Center, which monitors hate groups, called the term the “ultimate insult” that the white nationalist movement can deliver to politicians who they feel have veered too far to the left. “The term, at its core, may be racist,” the group said.

Many who use the #cuckservative hashtag on Twitter espouse the view that the United States is shifting from a white-dominated country to one that caters too much to minority groups.

The radical nature of those ideas along with the pornographic connotations associated with “cuckold” have made the word a subject of hand-wringing among some conservative commentators.

“There is a community of conservatives who think Republicans should be racists,” said Jim Harper, a scholar at the Cato Institute. “I think there is probably a relatively sizable number of people out there who see the term ‘cuckservative’ as a valid criticism of conservatives.”

Erick Erickson, the conservative media personality, condemned those who throw around the word as a handful of racist Internet trolls who hate Christians and support an agenda of white supremacism.
 So, who are you going to trust? Those "conservatives" whose opinions are in line with the NYT and the SPLC and don't wish to conserve the literal nation per se, or those who actually wish to conserve the nation proper, as in the "us and our posterity" for whom the Constitution was written?

After all, there is another, more accurate term for those the cuckservatives like to describe as "New Americans". And that is "Not Americans". Unlike a sports team, a nation is not laundry.

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Blogger David-093 August 14, 2015 11:34 AM  

"“The term, at its core, may be racist,” the group said."

"May". Love the newspeak. I first heard cuckservative from the MPC guys and it didn't come across as "racist", but as simply the most humiliating thing that can happen to a married man and applied to a conservative.

It's the ultimate in disrespect: you're lied to, you're raising someone else's kid unaware, while other people know you're a tool. That's a cuckservative, a dupe, somebody who's been played and doesn't even realize it.

Blogger Harsh August 14, 2015 11:37 AM  

“The term, at its core, may be racist,” the group said.

It's like Tourette's with those people. The word "racist" just flies out of their mouth at random.

Anonymous basementhomebrewer August 14, 2015 11:37 AM  

Any time the Southern Poverty Law center is consulted you know the article is going to be wrong.

Blogger Joshua Dyal August 14, 2015 11:45 AM  

Since overtly racist hate group SPLC and that beacon of conservative thought the NYT has condemned the insult as racist, no doubt it will lose its efficacy as conservatives flee from the term forthwith, lest they be labelled bad words. Right? Right?

Anonymous Susan August 14, 2015 11:52 AM  

Am I seeing a semi defense of moderates and neocons here from the SPLC? Has irrelevant obscurity bothered them that much that they are willing to show an amusing level of desperation to get somebody's attention?
More entertainment from the silly season.

Blogger dc.sunsets August 14, 2015 11:53 AM  

So what future do these pro-replacement-level-immigration clowns see for their children and grandchildren?

That's the question I never see asked. Because why?

Because racism.
Because "We Are The World" Narrative.

I'm reminded that national-level politicians never set foot in a grocery store or Home Depot in flyover country.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents August 14, 2015 11:55 AM  

Jonah Goldberg publicly announced he was ignoring it. Now that Carlos Slim's newspaper has taken note of it, he's pretty much required to pay attention. This could be amusing, since Goldberg is rather a bit of a white knight; he's on record claiming that women (like his older wife) civilize men (sorta kinda like him).

And he's also on record supporting much more immigration.

So: if you are a Jewish boy married to a Catholic girl with one (1) child who supports unlimited immigration, you might be a cuckservative.

Anonymous fish August 14, 2015 11:55 AM  

God that's a "punchable face".....nearly as bad Cuckliberal E.J. Dionnes!

Anonymous Alexander, #10 August 14, 2015 11:55 AM  

And to think - just a week ago we were only about 300 people + sockpuppets throwing the term around ourselves to create the impression there were a lot of us!

Anonymous Karl Rove August 14, 2015 11:58 AM  

This word doesn't make any sense. What's wrong with raising your bull's children or grandchildren?

Blogger dc.sunsets August 14, 2015 11:59 AM  

I'm tempted to print and frame the Hateful Heretic's answer to these clowns (linked to by V.D., many thanks) because it is a near-perfect synopsis of the entire problem.

http://therightstuff.biz/2015/07/26/cuckservatism-response-to-taylor-millard/

If they define racism as wishing my kids to have a good life and not be robbed of their "privilege" (high IQ, low time preference, good work ethic, excellent parenting skills) by demons, then screw 'em.

Anonymous Cuckservative Central August 14, 2015 12:01 PM  

And to think - just a week ago we were only about 300 people + sockpuppets throwing the term around ourselves to create the impression there were a lot of us!

Didn't you pay attention to your betters?


Erick Erickson, the conservative media personality, condemned those who throw around the word as a handful of racist Internet trolls who hate Christians and support an agenda of white supremacism.


"Handful of racist Internet trolls", got that? That's the official narrative, and we'll appreciate you sticking to it.

Anonymous Homesteader August 14, 2015 12:03 PM  

Myron Dees & SPLC- your one-stop validation shop-if they condemn it, you KNOW it's good!

(What will they do, though, when they realize Racist/Sexist/Homophobic no longer work?)

Blogger VD August 14, 2015 12:04 PM  

It genuinely astonishes me that more than ten people pay any attention whatsoever to what Erick Erickson says. The few times he has come to my attention, it's because he's saying or doing something moronic.

Anonymous Homesteader August 14, 2015 12:06 PM  

Morris Dees...

Blogger RobertT August 14, 2015 12:08 PM  

Somebody should trademark this term, or patent it.Pronto.

Blogger Joshua Dyal August 14, 2015 12:10 PM  

Am I seeing a semi defense of moderates and neocons here from the SPLC? Has irrelevant obscurity bothered them that much that they are willing to show an amusing level of desperation to get somebody's attention?

No, it's panic in the halls of the NWO because people all across Western civilization are starting to peak behind the curtain and realized that the Wizard ain't all that. I suspect their report was as much visceral as strategic. If it was truly strategic, they'd have realized long ago that they watered down "racist" to the point where it's useless. Give it another five years tops, and it'll be a badge of honor for most conservatives.

Blogger RobertT August 14, 2015 12:11 PM  

it's because he's saying or doing something moronic

If a quote supports your story, you would quote a tree

Blogger rcocean August 14, 2015 12:12 PM  

Erickson has always been a cuck. Whenever there's been a Left-wing lynch mob going after some conservative EE joins them shrieking "Burn them". He's been trying for years to get a permanent "Reasonable Conservative" TV gig for years. However, no matter how vicious he is to those on his RIght or pander to those on his left, he can't convince the TV masters that he's interesting or important.

Blogger RobertT August 14, 2015 12:12 PM  

using the impersonal 'you'

Anonymous Homesteader August 14, 2015 12:12 PM  

Erickson is the new house conservative of the Left. Of course he gets attention. Him and Rich Lowry, S.E.Cupp, Goldberg- kneeling proudly for their "principles" since Buckley defenestrated the Birchers...

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents August 14, 2015 12:12 PM  

VD
It genuinely astonishes me that more than ten people pay any attention whatsoever to what Erick Erickson says.

But Vox, that can't be right because he's been on a cable news show! So he must be quite erudite and thoughtful, because Fox News.

One advantage Erickson has: when it's time to start chin-pulling in a thoughtful pose while on camera, he has several to choose from...

Blogger rcocean August 14, 2015 12:13 PM  

He hosts for Rush Limbaugh occasionally but he's too boring to listen too. He's like dull "Captain Ed" or Rich Lowry but more vicious and less intelligent.

Anonymous Godfrey August 14, 2015 12:14 PM  

"Racisss, racisss, racisss" reverberates the in-depth response incessantly.

But I don't belong to a group that calls itself "The Race" do I.

And I haven't been bombing and murdering unarmed and helpless Palestinians for decades have I?

The SPLC is a Zionist Supremacist hate group.


Want sound money?

You're racisss.


Oppose Obamacare?

You're racisss.


Own a firearm?

You're racisss.


Question AGE?

You're racisss.


Breath air and drink water?

You're raciss.

Blogger Jourdan August 14, 2015 12:14 PM  

The terms SJW and Cuckservative have done more to advance the right-wing cause in a year than years of so-called conservative activism have in years.

It clearly demonstrates the power of well-aimed and -coined mockery.

Blogger RobertT August 14, 2015 12:15 PM  

Actually, that picture should go viral. Twitter anyone?

Anonymous BigGaySteve August 14, 2015 12:15 PM  

They only think its racist because they have more cuck porn at their house than Shakespeare & Chaucer. Lets ignore 1000+ years of the words usage because of the porn that people who cry over the word watch.

Anonymous Sheila August 14, 2015 12:20 PM  

I think I last visited Erickson's site about the time of Obama's second campaign? - so let's say '07. I was banned (and I don't even remember the precise reason). I've moved further along the spectrum in the intervening years anyhow; hadn't even heard his name since then until cuckservative became a meme.

Anyone reasonable on the alt right/libertarian/conservative spectrum expects them to throw around the racist card. What I don't quite understand is how cuckservative is anti-Christian. Perhaps in the same sense Ann Coulter was shrieked at for being anti-Christian when she suggested that there was plenty of legitimate work to do in the local mission field, rather than ostentatiously traveling to Africa and working with Ebola victims to earn victimization pokemon points?

Blogger Stilicho #0066 August 14, 2015 12:20 PM  

50 million Replacement Americans here, another 50 million in a few decades and pretty soon you're talking real numbers!

Instapundit noted today that ALL of the gains in female employment since 2007 went to foreign women. #waronwomen

Blogger JartStar August 14, 2015 12:23 PM  

Unless the Democratic candidate goes down in flames due to scandal I don't see how Jeb and nearly any of the other GOP candidates can possibly win. The conservatives and libertarians using the term to describe the current crop of candidates are people who pay attention, and won't just get back on the reservation right before election day and blindly vote Republican as they will simply stay home instead. For every one person on twitter who tweets the term there are likely hundreds or thousands who agree, and for everyone on twitter at all there are thousands more who are fed up with the GOP and nominees like McCain and Romney.

Anonymous BGS August 14, 2015 12:29 PM  

The difference between RHINO/ Cuckservative is just like how OKeefe had a bigger impact on voter fraud for $50k than organizations that spent millions, & the abortion video group with $100k did more against abortion than decades of pro life groups.

So what future do these pro-replacement-level-immigration clowns see for their children and grandchildren?

The bribes they take will make sure they are part of the elite.

What will they do, though, when they realize Racist/Sexist/Homophobic no longer work? Say the words louder

Blogger Russell (106) August 14, 2015 12:29 PM  

The struck bitch yelps the loudest.

Blogger James Sullivan August 14, 2015 12:30 PM  

#25

It certainly does demonstrate the power of language.

Last weekend, in the comments section of various threads at Instapundit, some of the regulars were practically begging people to stop using the word cuckservative. And, unexpectedly, the majority of them wanted to push the Jeb Bush on everyone...

Anonymous Godfrey August 14, 2015 12:32 PM  

@28
"What I don't quite understand is how cuckservative is anti-Christian."


They're trying to keep the "USA, USA, USA!" Christians on the reservation. They need those dumb chumps to fight and die in their wars.

Anonymous praetorian August 14, 2015 12:34 PM  

“The term, at its core, may be racist,”

Racist? In *my* memes?

It's more likely than you think!

Blogger Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus August 14, 2015 12:38 PM  

You know what we really need?

A good war with Russia. And to finally pass the Equal Rights Amendment. And more guest workers to do jobs Americans won't do.

BTW, Jeb in 2016!

/s

Blogger dc.sunsets August 14, 2015 12:40 PM  

Instapundit noted today that ALL of the gains in female employment since 2007 went to foreign women. #waronwomen

NOW needs their dykes to put their fingers in the dike. Flood stopped, voila!

Anonymous Roundtine August 14, 2015 12:42 PM  

According to this article, the replacement Americans aren't able to do the job of replacement. So the existing Americans will have to work harder to take care of them, while doing all the other work of the nation. 46 States Saw Young White Population Decline

Anonymous praetorian August 14, 2015 12:43 PM  

If they define racism as wishing my kids to have a good life and not be robbed of their "privilege" (high IQ, low time preference, good work ethic, excellent parenting skills) by demons, then screw 'em.

Exactly. They are defining normal folk as racist and, thereby, driving an emerging white identity that will end up being the catalyst for The Great Divorce of 2030.

They are succeeding where the 1488 crowd, bless their aspy little hearts, has failed for so long.

Pretty funny.

Blogger Matamoros August 14, 2015 12:46 PM  

From Fr. Z's Blog:

Litany for the conversion of internet thugs (2.0)
(For private use only, when truly irritated, and when the alternative is foul language.)

Lord, have mercy.
Christ, have mercy.
Lord, have mercy.
Christ, graciously hear us.
God, the Father of Heaven, have mercy on us.
God, the Son, Redeemer of the World, have mercy on us.
God, the Holy Ghost, have mercy on us.
Holy Trinity, one God, have mercy on us.

Lest internet thugs be eternally tormented by all the fiends of hell, convert them, O Lord.
Lest they pass eternity in utter despair, convert them, O Lord.
Lest they come to be damned for the harm they cause, convert them, O Lord.
Lest they roast forever in the deepest cinders of hell, convert them, O Lord.
Lest they suffer the unceasing pain of loss, convert them, O Lord.

Lest devils endlessly increase their physical agony, convert them, O Lord.
Lest devils twist their bowels and boil their blood in hell, convert them, O Lord.
Lest devils use them as toys and tools, convert them, O Lord.
Lest devils forever gnaw upon their skulls, convert them, O Lord.

Lest the innocent be harmed by the sins of thugs, convert them, O Lord.
Lest the innocent yield to thugs in weakness, convert them, O Lord.
Lest the innocent be drawn into thuggish traps, convert them, O Lord.

From faceless Facebook admin drones, spare us O Lord.
From tweeting Twitter idiots, spare us O Lord.
From loony Wikipedia liars, spare us O Lord.
From from heart-hardened spammers, spare us O Lord.
From liberal nut-case smear-blogging hacks, spare us O Lord.
From thread-dominating combox trolls, spare us, O Lord.
From sophomoric drive-by commentators, spare us, O Lord.

From server memory resource difficulties, spare us O Lord.
From rss feed problems, spare us O Lord.
From DOS attacks, spare us O Lord.
From power outages and surges, spare us O Lord.
From viruses, trojan horses, and all manner of snares, Lord save us.
From wasting our time, Lord save us.
From our own stupidity, Lord save us.

St. Michael, defend us.
St. Gabriel, defend us.
Holy Guardian Angels, defend us.
St. Isidore of Seville, defend us.
St. Francis de Sales, defend us.
St. Maximilian Kolbe, defend us.
All ye angels and saints….. GRRRRR.

Lamb of God, who takest away the sins of the world, spare us, O Lord.
Lamb of God, who takest away the sins of the world, graciously hear us, O Lord,
Lamb of God who takest away the sins of the world, have mercy on us.

V. Christ, Jesus who died for our sins.
R. Please return, and return swiftly.

Let us pray.

Almighty and merciful God, who according to Thy ineffable plan hast called us into existence to do Thy will amid the vicissitudes and contagion of this world grant, we beseech Thee, both protection for Thy servants who use the tools of this digital age and confusion for evil-doers who abuse their neighbors and Thy gifts.

Through Christ our Lord. Amen.

Blogger Danby August 14, 2015 12:47 PM  

What's funny is that the NYT has found some republicans it can defend, finally.

Morris Dees and SPLC are running scared. Their fundraising is declining and has been for years now, because they're running out of elderly Jewish women they can scare with stories of big, powerful, White men rounding them up and raping them, over and over and over again.

Blogger Dan in Tx August 14, 2015 12:47 PM  

These cucks are being hammered non stop and it's a beautiful sight to see. These guys are idiots whom no one really likes. The left uses them but they don't like them. When everyone from libertarians to full nazis can embrace a term that accurately describes this loathsome group of individuals, you know it has merit.

Blogger Joshua Dyal August 14, 2015 12:58 PM  

What I don't quite understand is how cuckservative is anti-Christian.

In the same sense that it's racist. Anti-Christian is the cuckservative's answer to "raciss." Especially if you believe in some bowdlerized hippy Jesus version of Christianity.

Anonymous Eric Ashley August 14, 2015 1:06 PM  

Why anti-Christian? Its an intuition one gets when you listen to WNers. They seem to worship the White Race rather than Christ.

IOW's just one more idiot saying 'you social conservatives need to stop worrying about social issues, and join us.'

Blogger Josh August 14, 2015 1:08 PM  

Why anti-Christian? Its an intuition one gets when you listen to WNers. They seem to worship the White Race rather than Christ.

Yup.

Anonymous PA August 14, 2015 1:09 PM  

"These guys [the cuckservatives] are idiots whom no one really likes."

No occupant has ever respected a collaborator.

Blogger ScuzzaMan August 14, 2015 1:09 PM  

Susan & Joshua;

It's because they want to keep their opponents ineffective. If actual conservatives begin to purge the quislings among them and adopt effective tactics, well, who knows what might happen?

Blogger VD August 14, 2015 1:10 PM  

Why anti-Christian? Its an intuition one gets when you listen to WNers. They seem to worship the White Race rather than Christ.

"seem". Thanks, Gamma. Here is a lesson: if you're trying to argue dialectic on the basis of your intuition, you will get your ass kicked every single time.

It has nothing to do with Christianity. It has to do with appreciating indoor plumbing.

Blogger Dexter August 14, 2015 1:11 PM  

support an agenda of white supremacism

For "supremacism" read "existence".

Blogger Cail Corishev August 14, 2015 1:13 PM  

So what future do these pro-replacement-level-immigration clowns see for their children and grandchildren?

They expect them to follow in their own footsteps, ruling over an increasingly globalized, homogenized, disarmed. dumbed-down mass of people. As they know from experience, it's a good life regardless of whether they're living in their estate in Maine or their estate in Paraguay.

Life is always luxurious for the guys at the top, unless a mob comes for them. So their main concern is making sure that won't happen. The rest is just making sure there's a good supply of servants.

Blogger M Cephas August 14, 2015 1:23 PM  

The word "racist" means "a person who believes that one race is superior to another".

It's a meaningless definition, because obviously different races might be superior in different things. I guess I'm racist if I believe white people are superior in colder climates where there is less sunshine, and are better at absorbing Vitamin D in such conditions.

However, the immigration issue is entirely about Mexicans and their culture. It doesn't even go into race. Traditional American culture > Mexican culture.

Not to mention they are costing American's more money through things like welfare, committing more crime, bringing down wages, sending much of their earnings back to Mexico, bringing drugs into the country, and also dislike the country more than their own.

Whatever the reason for that, whether it's their culture, ethnicity, race, religion, parental upbringing, whatever it may be. Those are the facts, and something needs to be done about it.

Blogger Nate August 14, 2015 1:24 PM  

"
It has nothing to do with Christianity. It has to do with appreciating indoor plumbing."

one would have to believe the White Nationalists were capable of keeping the indoor plumbing working for this to be an effective rebuttal.

As always... the problem isnt' the ism... its the ist.

Blogger Josh August 14, 2015 1:25 PM  

"seem". Thanks, Gamma. Here is a lesson: if you're trying to argue dialectic on the basis of your intuition, you will get your ass kicked every single time.

It has nothing to do with Christianity. It has to do with appreciating indoor plumbing.


I think it's accurate to observe that there's a neopagan and antichristian element to some white nationalists.

For example: RICHARD SPENCER’S NEO-PAGAN, ANTI-CHRISTIAN READERS

Blogger Bodichi (0031) August 14, 2015 1:25 PM  

Obviously facts are racist.

Therefore anyone who believes in facts is racist.

Relativism for everyone and all things.

Blogger Josh August 14, 2015 1:25 PM  

one would have to believe the White Nationalists were capable of keeping the indoor plumbing working for this to be an effective rebuttal.

Thor and Odin didn't need no stinking indoor plumbing!

Anonymous patrick kelly August 14, 2015 1:27 PM  

Look you idiot, nice guy, let's just get along with smooth talk christians:

these people, the vibrant yutes, the migrants, the refugees, the neo-cons, the cucks, aren't coming to join your lil' kum-buh-ya cirlce and make peace, they're coming to steal from you, kill you, and destroy you and everything that makes your clueless relatively comfortable life possible.

Want a preview? Look at what is happening at the hands of ISIS in their lil' piece of paradise in this world. You ready to watch your wives, your children, your sweet lil' grand children suffer in those hands? Maybe your ready to be a martyr, but will you stomach watching them led to the fire in hands of Moloch?



Blogger Joshua Dyal August 14, 2015 1:28 PM  

Life is always luxurious for the guys at the top, unless a mob comes for them. So their main concern is making sure that won't happen. The rest is just making sure there's a good supply of servants.

Colonials never see the usurpation of their colonial master plantation world order. The only time that really hasn't happened was when the northern Europeans colonized North America, and then it's because plague which arrived prior to the majority of the colonials wiped out the native population to the extent that they were absorbed into the colonial population rather than the other way around.

OpenID entropyismygod August 14, 2015 1:31 PM  

@ Josh

"I think it's accurate to observe that there's a neopagan and antichristian element to some white nationalists."

Is some in this instance less than the majority?

Blogger Josh August 14, 2015 1:34 PM  

Is some in this instance less than the majority?

I have no idea how many white nationalists are christian, pagan, atheist, jewish, etc.

Blogger Nate August 14, 2015 1:34 PM  

All of this is profoundly contradictory to me.

gamergate is strong because they do not in fight. They do not out-group those shooting in the same direction.

Ok.

but the White Nationalists aren't just shooting in the same direction as those of us that want to end immigration. They shoot at those on their own side for not being White Nationalists.

So...

Do we follow gamergate and include them... because sometimes they shoot in the same direction as us... or do we kick them out?

And isn't the whole cuckservative thing about kicking people out who shoot at your enemies only sometimes and shoot at you other times?

issue... not an affiliation. So people from all kinds of affiliations come to it.

Cuckservative appears to be about immigration... but in reality its just a bunch of people insulting each other over not having 100% pure ideology.

Which sounds familiar.

Blogger Nate August 14, 2015 1:37 PM  

The best way to convert a conservative on immigration is to say this.

"if you found out 10 million californians were moving to your state... what would you think?"

watch the panic form in their eyes. See the fear and revulsion.

Then say, "Congratulations. now you understand what's broken about immigration."

Blogger Nate August 14, 2015 1:38 PM  

"Is some in this instance less than the majority?"

Like Zegel I don't claim to know. I suspect its a sub-category though.

OpenID corvinus333 August 14, 2015 1:39 PM  

called the term the “ultimate insult” that the white nationalist movement can deliver to politicians who they feel have veered too far to the left. “The term, at its core, may be racist,” the group said.

It's definitely a tactic straight out of Alinsky.

“There is a community of conservatives who think Republicans should be racists,” said Jim Harper, a scholar at the Cato Institute.

The Cucko Institute is notoriously cuckservative. Just like William F. Cuckley.

Anonymous patrick kelly August 14, 2015 1:39 PM  

@60 Nate: " over not having 100% pure ideology."

No, it's about those who adopt the putrid pile of u-be-evil-racist-homophobe-womenhaterz rhetoric and at sling it right long with the SJW wabbits......cuz' cuckservative gives them feelbadz..

They're not making any coherent ideological statement about much of anything......

Blogger VD August 14, 2015 1:40 PM  

one would have to believe the White Nationalists were capable of keeping the indoor plumbing working for this to be an effective rebuttal.

They are. The position you and Josh are trying to defend is objectively stupid. A nation is an extended genetic family, writ large. That's literally what it is.

Change the genetics, you change the nation. What is so stupid about the cuckservative "proposition nation" approach is that it is observably nonsense. Black Compton was different than Latino Compton, just as Italian Switzerland is very different than German Switzerland.

It's not the laws, it's not the geography, it's not the constitution, it is the genetic makeup of the people living there who determine what a given location will be like. Most of those who deny that have never spent any significant time in other cultures; those of us who have realize it is more true than most of the white or Japanese or black nationalists realize.

OpenID corvinus333 August 14, 2015 1:40 PM  

"“The term, at its core, may be racist,” the group said."

Also, notice the "may be" hedging. Something tells me the SPLC is full of Gammas.

Blogger VD August 14, 2015 1:45 PM  

but the White Nationalists aren't just shooting in the same direction as those of us that want to end immigration. They shoot at those on their own side for not being White Nationalists.

The serious WN are a small subset of the anti-immigration crowd. But the important point is this: if you do not favor ending immigration immediately and support repatriation, you are not on the pro-American side. It is one of the only four policies that matter in the slightest. (After doing the math, I added abortion.)

1. Immigration and repatriation
2. Guns
3. Abortion
4. Federal reserve

Those are the only issues that matter, and in that order. If you hold the anti-American position on any of them, you are not on "our side". Every other issue, you might as reasonably take into account favorite football teams and preferred ice cream flavors.

Blogger VD August 14, 2015 1:46 PM  

They are. The position you and Josh are trying to defend is objectively stupid. A nation is an extended genetic family, writ large. That's literally what it is.

I realize that you may not actually be defending that position. Frankly, I'm not sure what your position is.

OpenID entropyismygod August 14, 2015 1:47 PM  

@ Nate

"Like Zegel I don't claim to know. I suspect its a sub-category though."

No one is saying that all WN are allies. But some of them are. Bottom line anyone shooting in the same direction, at the same target is at least a temporary ally. Those trying to commit fratricide are cuckservatives, be they WN or not.

Blogger Nate August 14, 2015 1:48 PM  

" The position you and Josh are trying to defend is objectively stupid. "

That's interesting. What position is it that you think I'm trying to defend... beyond the statement that internet white nationalists are generally idiots.

I think you're assuming we are taking positions we have not taken.

I am 100% for shutting down all immigration and starting a massive deportation program... and returning to a system of voluntary segregation... which is the natural order of things.

Anonymous praetorian August 14, 2015 1:48 PM  

You've got a point, Nate, but most of the people getting most of the shit are legit targets.

Ignore it when it comes in from the aspy-right and then use it to pound the useless GOP. Aspys gonna aspy, but they've hit gold with this meme.

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Blogger Josh August 14, 2015 1:49 PM  

1. Immigration and repatriation
2. Guns
3. Abortion
4. Federal reserve

Those are the only issues that matter, and in that order. If you hold the anti-American position on any of them, you are not on "our side".


What would be the pro-American position on immigration and repatriation?

I can't speak for Nate, but I think my position on all four is the pro-American one.

Blogger Sad Puppy August 14, 2015 1:49 PM  

@14

Some of it is inertia. Here in Atlanta area, he is on the radio every week night while people are stuck in traffic. he's on the best traffic and weather channel in the city.

Blogger Josh August 14, 2015 1:50 PM  

That's interesting. What position is it that you think I'm trying to defend... beyond the statement that internet white nationalists are generally idiots.

Our other position is that we hate Yankees and we want them to leave us alone.

Blogger Nate August 14, 2015 1:50 PM  

"Bottom line anyone shooting in the same direction, at the same target is at least a temporary ally."

That's just it... The White Nationalists that flock to this cuckservative banner are not shooting in the same direction.

They label everyone a cuckservative that isn't a white nationalist. Hell we've seen Vox called a cuckservative.

Anonymous Nathanael August 14, 2015 1:50 PM  

‪#Cuckservative‬ is Schrödinger's meme: it is and isn't about race simultaneously, but caring about the answer automatically makes the observer a #cuckservative.

i.e. Acknowledging that having a white majority is important and wanting to reverse the white demographic decline is the yardstick #cuckservative is measured by, but we don't want a country full of white Communists either.

Blogger Nate August 14, 2015 1:51 PM  

"Our other position is that we hate Yankees and we want them to leave us alone."

agreed.

i should love to know how a neo-confederte secessionist could be considered a cuckervative. Wouldn't one have to pretend to be a conservative first?

I'm not a conservative. I'm a radical.

Anonymous praetorian August 14, 2015 1:51 PM  

NAWNALT!

Blogger VD August 14, 2015 1:51 PM  

What position is it that you think I'm trying to defend... beyond the statement that internet white nationalists are generally idiots.

I wasn't sure, to be honest.

I am 100% for shutting down all immigration and starting a massive deportation program... and returning to a system of voluntary segregation... which is the natural order of things.

A position I share. And one that the WN, stupid or not, have also correctly grasped. It's by no means an intrinsically WN perspective; most Native Americans share it.

Blogger VD August 14, 2015 1:53 PM  

What would be the pro-American position on immigration and repatriation?

Stop immigration and repatriate the post-1986 crowd.

Blogger Nate August 14, 2015 1:54 PM  

"Stop immigration and repatriate the post-1986 crowd."

Fine with me.

Blogger Josh August 14, 2015 1:54 PM  

Stop immigration and repatriate the post-1986 crowd.

Yeah I agree with that.

I asked because some people want to go further than that and repatriate all or most non whites.

Blogger VD August 14, 2015 1:54 PM  

That's just it... The White Nationalists that flock to this cuckservative banner are not shooting in the same direction.

So ignore them. The whole reason they are flocking to it is because it is effective. Who cares what they say? Cherish the extremists. Sure, they'll shoot at you from time to time, but you need them as cannon fodder.

Blogger VD August 14, 2015 1:55 PM  

I asked because some people want to go further than that and repatriate all or most non whites.

Of course. And if sensible measures aren't taken, eventually less sensible measures will be. I expect a lot of people who are horrified by white nationalists now to embrace their policies in 20 years. That's generally how it works.

Blogger dc.sunsets August 14, 2015 1:56 PM  

Nate, as far as I can see the fraction of "impure ideology" over which this hinges is really all that matters.

Blogger Nate August 14, 2015 1:57 PM  

"And one that the WN, stupid or not, have also correctly grasped"


The enemy of your enemy is only your friend if he isn't shooting you in the face. The problem with the WNs is like libertarians they are stuck in 1950s ideas of ideological purity. They can't get past it. You're either one of them... or you're someone to put up against a wall.

When they stop acting like the enemy... I'll starting treating them like something other than the enemy.


Anonymous PA August 14, 2015 1:58 PM  

"1. Immigration and repatriation
2. Guns
3. Abortion
4. Federal Reserve"

Freedom of Association is another one. This includes a broad range of things like voluntary residential segregation as well as the freedom to keep homosexual adults away from organizations such as the Boy Scouts.

Blogger Cail Corishev August 14, 2015 1:59 PM  

I still fail to see the relevance of White Nationalists to our use of "cuckservative." The first time I saw the word (used by Cernovich, I think), I instantly knew what it meant, knew it was brilliant, and knew whom it would drive crazy and why -- despite not frequenting any WN sites and only having a vague idea of what Stormfront is because you guys mention it sometimes.

If I can't use valuable terms because some WNs are also using them for their own purposes -- or because the SPLC and NYT claim they are -- then I might as well give up. They've been playing that game for years, claiming that every useful argument or bit of rhetoric we come up with is "dog-whistling" or framing it as racist. They're always able to find some fringe group that's saying right-wing things, so they can paint all right-wingers as part of that fringe.

We're not talking about a term with a long-standing WN association that we don't want to get involved with. We're talking about a brand-new word, that need have nothing to do with WN at all. If some WNs are trying to co-opt it, that's all the more reason we should keep nailing away with it at the correct targets, rather than surrendering it to them.

OpenID entropyismygod August 14, 2015 2:00 PM  

You will know them by their actions.

If they are for immigration they are cuckservatives

If they are for the Federal Reserve they are cuckservatives

If they are for abortion (moloch worship) they are cuckservatives

If they are for Affirmative Action they are cuckservatives

Homosexual "marriage", foreign aide, adopting children from outside countries while children here starve. Those are the cuckservatives.

Blogger Nate August 14, 2015 2:01 PM  

The sea-change on immigration happened over night here. It was really stunning. We went from a nation that bent over backwards to praise immigration and immigrants...to political candidates criticizing immigrants and immigration and calling for immigration limits almost instantly.

So given that... I can see that soon... the WNs may have the utility you're talking about. I just don't think they have it right now. But as fast and as much as things have changed... they may.

I am still blown away by how fast the conversation has changed on the subject.

Blogger Dexter August 14, 2015 2:01 PM  

“There is a community of conservatives who think Republicans should be racists,” said Jim Harper, a scholar at the Cato Institute.

"Also, I am too stupid to realize that I should be 'racist' because non-white immigrants are not libertarians and therefore their presence spells doom for everything I claim to value."

Blogger Nate August 14, 2015 2:02 PM  

"If they are for abortion (moloch worship) they are cuckservatives"

oh... the irony...

OpenID corvinus333 August 14, 2015 2:02 PM  

They label everyone a cuckservative that isn't a white nationalist. Hell we've seen Vox called a cuckservative.

@76 Nate
I can't speak for aspies or lower-IQ WNs, but my definition of "cuckservative" is simply anyone who claims to be conservative or on the right who calls people racist and has an allergy to appearing racist.

It often involves adopting black kids and supporting legal immigration, but those are simply derivatives of the basic attitude.

Blogger Bodichi (0031) August 14, 2015 2:04 PM  

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Anonymous Mike M. August 14, 2015 2:04 PM  

Being denounced by the SPLC (also known as Rent-A-Leftist-Denunciation, Inc.) is a mark of honor.

Blogger Nate August 14, 2015 2:04 PM  

"NAWNALT!"

I laughed. I admit it.

Blogger Josh August 14, 2015 2:06 PM  

"If they are for abortion (moloch worship) they are cuckservatives"

oh... the irony...


Hehehe

Anonymous Porky August 14, 2015 2:06 PM  

Jeb's fake smile is the creepiest thing.

Blogger Nate August 14, 2015 2:08 PM  

"Jeb's fake smile is the creepiest thing. "

he's like the receptionist that greets you at the fake doctors office that's really a front for a serial killer cannibal.

Anonymous Porky August 14, 2015 2:10 PM  

It seriously looks like he just ate a fetus wrapped in gold foil before making love to a microwaved cantaloupe.

Blogger Nate August 14, 2015 2:10 PM  

Man... I sure am glad to know that pro-choice = cuckservative...

otherwise we may have had to spent 360 comments getting called cuckservatives for being pro-life.

That would've sucked.

Blogger Josh August 14, 2015 2:10 PM  

That's because he's a reptilian wearing human skin like the alien in Men in Black.

Anonymous Mike M. August 14, 2015 2:10 PM  

Josh @83:

Concur that some WNs want to expel all non-whites, but:

1. Who is white? Does 1/32nd of non-white blood make you non-white?

2. Where do we ship them? Repatriating illegal aliens answers this - they go back where they came from. But blacks? Most of them were shipped here over 200 years ago. They HAVE no homeland other than the United States.

Anonymous We Must Hang Together Or ? August 14, 2015 2:11 PM  

Hey, Nate, are there any WN's involved in #gamergate? If so, should they be purged immediately? Because otherwise badfeels?

You seem to be kinda unclear on a concept.

Blogger Josh August 14, 2015 2:12 PM  

Hey, Nate, are there any WN's involved in #gamergate? If so, should they be purged immediately? Because otherwise badfeels?

You seem to be kinda unclear on a concept.


Only if they start shooting at gamergate for not being white nationalist

Anonymous praetorian August 14, 2015 2:12 PM  

oh... the irony...

It is ironic, but it's also totally legit. Fuck the pro-moloch WNers: this is the internet and terms and memes can be co-opted, refined and redefined by the strong hands.

Vox giving that list right here goes a long way in freezing the meaning for much of the alt-right. Use it and let the Molo-Nationalists whine about what a real cuckservative is.

Blogger Subversive Saint #249 August 14, 2015 2:13 PM  

As a long time resident of Montgomery Alabama I've had disturbing dreams of what kind of sickness must permeate the walls in the monstrosity of a building that the SPLC has built. One only has to see the building itself to know that something isn't right on the inside. It also seems (from certain angles) to rest precariously on its foundations, generating the inevitable thoughts of just how much force would it take for the building to crumble in to dust. I always picture the finger of God giving it a gentle nudge to the north and pushing it over into the Alabama Education Association building (no great loss there).

http://em-arc.com/portfolio/southern-poverty-law-center/

Blogger Josh August 14, 2015 2:14 PM  

1. Who is white? Does 1/32nd of non-white blood make you non-white?

Many a comment thread has been ruined trying to answer that question.

2. Where do we ship them? Repatriating illegal aliens answers this - they go back where they came from. But blacks? Most of them were shipped here over 200 years ago. They HAVE no homeland other than the United States.

Exactly. And black-white demographics have been pretty stable in the South for a long time.

Besides, Southron blacks hate Yankees as much as we do.

Blogger Dexter August 14, 2015 2:15 PM  

Where do we ship them? Repatriating illegal aliens answers this - they go back where they came from. But blacks? Most of them were shipped here over 200 years ago. They HAVE no homeland other than the United States.

Gotta be clear up front that the whole "birth citizenship" thing goes out the window.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents August 14, 2015 2:17 PM  

Mike M., Is this really a serious problem that anyone should be thinking about right now? 25% of the population of Mexico has moved to the US, and you're fretting about some possible hypothetical in the distant future.

Oh, and Mike? Your information on black people in the US is going to be out of date soon. Thanks to the open border, emigration from Africa is at an all time high, the Nigerians tend to have big families, and in a generation "African American" will mean "descended from recent immigrants" much more than "descended from slaves".

And gues what? Affirmative Action, that "temporary" program to remedy the lingering effects of slavery and Jim Crow, will still be the law of the land.

tl;dr - you are straining at a gnat.

Blogger Cail Corishev August 14, 2015 2:19 PM  

Good grief, this isn't that hard. There's something called "cuckold porn," okay, where a man's wife is banged by other dudes while he watches.

Now translate that to politics: the cuckold is the wishy-washy conservative, the wife is America, and the other guy is all those who want to despoil America. The cuckservative claims to love his wife/America and want the best for her, but he's too weak and lacking convictions to stand up for what's right, so the despoilers just keep screwing her while he watches. And sometimes (as in the case of open borders) he even encourages it and gets off on it.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents August 14, 2015 2:20 PM  

Maybe it is just me, but that image sure does bring back a lot memories of Boob Dole back in 1996. That worked out well.

OpenID corvinus333 August 14, 2015 2:21 PM  

@104 Mike M.

1. Who is white? Does 1/32nd of non-white blood make you non-white?

According to this publication, non-Hispanic European-Amerindian crosses are just as conservative as pure Europeans, so it seems that they're less harmful.

I'm not quite sure about reapplying the one-drop rule for African ancestry, but there appears to have been a valid reason for instituting it; people with even a very small amount of black ancestry appear to identify with their African side to a ridiculous degree, with Frederik Reinfeldt, the former prime minister of Sweden, being a particularly notorious example. Possibly it's due to the greater genetic difference between Africans and everyone else, but Africans are definitely probably the most racially-selfish people on Earth.

2. Where do we ship them? Repatriating illegal aliens answers this - they go back where they came from. But blacks? Most of them were shipped here over 200 years ago. They HAVE no homeland other than the United States.

Yeah, we're probably stuck with the blacks. However, one reason for their chronic bad behavior is the Cultural Marxist propaganda they're constantly given in the public skoolz. At the very least, we shouldn't make the problem worse by importing black immigrants and refugees from Africa and the Caribbean.

Unfortunately, Africa is projected to quadruple in population over the next hundred years. If legal immigration isn't cut, we will get flooded with Africans, as Asians and Hispanics age.

Blogger Josh August 14, 2015 2:21 PM  

Oh, and Mike? Your information on black people in the US is going to be out of date soon. Thanks to the open border, emigration from Africa is at an all time high, the Nigerians tend to have big families, and in a generation "African American" will mean "descended from recent immigrants" much more than "descended from slaves".

They're like 3-4% of all immigration.

Blogger pdbuttons August 14, 2015 2:22 PM  

I ain't gonna play Sun City no more

Blogger Josh August 14, 2015 2:22 PM  

I'm not quite sure about reapplying the one-drop rule for African ancestry, but there appears to have been a valid reason for instituting it; people with even a very small amount of black ancestry appear to identify with their African side to a ridiculous degree, with Frederik Reinfeldt, the former prime minister of Sweden, being a particularly notorious example.

How much of that is to take advantage of affirmative action programs?

Blogger VD August 14, 2015 2:23 PM  

I am still blown away by how fast the conversation has changed on the subject.

Such things always a) takes longer to start than you imagine then b) changes faster than you believe.

Anonymous BGS August 14, 2015 2:24 PM  

If I can't use valuable terms because some WNs are also using them for their own purposes

That means if Nate finds out WNs eat grits and buy glocks "for their wives" he will stop doing both. I hear they brush their teeth also.

White Nationalists were capable of keeping the indoor plumbing working for this to be an effective rebuttal

Great point they the regular outages of power and water in the South African capital prove white nationalists can't keep that up. Opps I forgot they have not been in power for 10 years, the systems would probably be better off if no one was left in SA.

Thor and Odin didn't need no stinking indoor plumbing! Odinists said that Marvel made a mistake with Heimdallr, that the passages of him having a dirty backside meant he is gay not black. They couldn't take showers that often.

Do we follow gamergate and include them... because sometimes they shoot in the same direction as us... or do we kick them out?

Let them shoot & stay out of their way. If a Pinochet rose up between me and the Mexican border, I would cheer him on until he started to run low on Mexicans/leftists.

I asked because some people want to go further than that and repatriate all or most non whites.

If a Pym Fortuyn cant stop the 3rd world flood, a Vlad Tepes will.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents August 14, 2015 2:25 PM  


They're like 3-4% of all immigration


How do you know that? Got cite?

OpenID corvinus333 August 14, 2015 2:26 PM  

They're like 3-4% of all immigration.

@115
That was true about ten years ago; they're up to about 10% now. In a couple of decades, the increase will be even more obvious.

How much of that is to take advantage of affirmative action programs?

@117 Josh
My impression is that it's a real emotional attachment.

Blogger Josh August 14, 2015 2:27 PM  

How do you know that? Got cite?

This is the citation from the wikipedia article on African immigration to the USA:

Yoku Shaw-Taylor, Steven A. Tuch, The other African Americans: contemporary African and Caribbean immigrants in the United States, Rowman & Littlefield, 2007, ISBN 978-0-7425-4088-0.

Blogger Cail Corishev August 14, 2015 2:27 PM  

Being pro-abortion (or having any other specific stand) doesn't make you a cuckservative. But if you claim to be anti-abortion, campaign on a platform that calls for ending/reducing abortion, take money from pro-life groups, and then do nothing about abortion while in office because you don't want to be called anti-women's-rights .... then you're probably a cuckservative.

It's not about the policies; it's about claiming to be conservative but caving in to liberals left and right because you want them to like you and don't want to be called mean names in the media.

Blogger Josh August 14, 2015 2:31 PM  

That was true about ten years ago; they're up to about 10% now. In a couple of decades, the increase will be even more obvious.

That appears to be correct.

From here: http://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/frequently-requested-statistics-immigrants-and-immigration-united-states

Of the foreign born in the United States in 2013, 48 percent reported their race as white, 26 percent as Asian, 9 percent as black, and 15 percent as some other race; more than 2 percent reported having two or more races.

It doesn't mention how much of the black population is from Africa and how much is from the Caribbean.

OpenID corvinus333 August 14, 2015 2:31 PM  

This is the citation from the wikipedia article on African immigration to the USA:

@122 Josh
That's looking at the total immigrant population, whether they came in last year or 50 years ago.

You have to look at the most recent stats.

Try this:

http://www.dhs.gov/publication/yearbook-2013

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents August 14, 2015 2:31 PM  

Josh, you might want to check your calendar. It is not 2007 anymore.

Blogger Josh August 14, 2015 2:33 PM  

http://www.migrationpolicy.org/data/state-profiles/state/demographics/US

According to this, 4.4% of the foreign born population is from Africa.

Blogger Josh August 14, 2015 2:36 PM  

http://www.dhs.gov/publication/yearbook-2013

According to that, 94,589 out of 990,553 legal permanent residents were from Africa.

So yes, about 10% of all legal immigrants are from Africa.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents August 14, 2015 2:37 PM  


So yes, about 10% of all legal immigrants are from Africa.


Good thing there's no illegal immigration from Africa, isn't it?

Anonymous zen0 August 14, 2015 2:43 PM  

> Jeb's fake smile is the creepiest thing.

Its the eyes that are freaking me out. It looks like he does a lot of pharmaceuticals.

Blogger Josh August 14, 2015 2:44 PM  

Good thing there's no illegal immigration from Africa, isn't it?

Did I say there was?

From the same link, of the 662,483 illegal aliens apprehended by DHS, 10,771 were from Africa.

If that's a representative sample, then 1.6% of illegal immigrants are from Africa.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents August 14, 2015 2:45 PM  

Anecdotally, all the African families I know of have three or more children. In a generation it is quite likely that "african American" will mean something different than it did in the 1960's and 70's, but Bakke and other AA court decisions will stand.

And that's assuming a constant input. But given the population growth in Africa, immigration from that continent to the US might well increase in the years to come, so long as guilt ridden white liberals and racialists are setting policies. When La Raza gets a vote, then that will change, of course.

A few years back I was temporarily near a college campus and did some work with engineers there. The "Black Engineering Society", complete with obligatory pic of MLK, had about 8 to 10 black men in the room. Every single one of them was an African; 4 Nigerians, a couple of Ugandans, a couple of Kenyans, one from Senegal. Not a single one was born in North America.

Yeah, anecdote. I expect more of that in the future, and that's going to change the politics of "African American" orgs in some interesting ways.

Anonymous BGS August 14, 2015 2:47 PM  

recent immigrants" much more than "descended from slaves". They're like 3-4% of all immigration.

Your exact argument before was that there have never been as many "white" people in the US before, now you want to pretend that absolute numbers of incoming blacks being far higher than during slavery don't matter. The majority of "refugees" coming in are moslem. Black + Moslem= _________

It turns out TJTB are keeping data from us. Refugee Resentment Watch used to have links to the numbers and source countries
now they have this"Some state statistics are no longer available. I don’t think the federal government wants you to know who is going to your state! " https://refugeeresettlementwatch.wordpress.com/your-state/

citation from the wikipedia article on African immigration to the USA:

Gee Refugee Resettlement Watch can't post the numbers anymore but this is the sort of thing I would trust Wikipedo on. The DOJ forced websites to remove the high def video from the Ferguson liquor store robbery because it totally broke the narrative since every place that showed it included the part of "hands up" witnesses participating in the robbery & even showed Gentle Mike making physical contact with the little Asian clerk.

Did they count the Ebola patient and his illegal alien relatives that got administrative amnesty as legal?

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents August 14, 2015 2:51 PM  


It's not about the policies; it's about claiming to be conservative but caving in to liberals left and right because you want them to like you and don't want to be called mean names in the media.


I'm tempted to facilly observe it's about "talking the talk but not walking the walk", however that doesn't really work out. Because many hypocrites know full well their actions are not in harmony with their words, and they don't care.

Cuckservatives do care. They are attempting to graft SJW approval onto some sort of "conservative" ideas, which is like ordering stir-fried ice cream at the Hunan restaurant.

Cuckseratives appear to have a real hunger, a real need for approval from the left. "They like me, they really like me!" is the unspoken motto. Any simularity between cuckservatives and thirsty Betas is probably not entirely a coincidence.

The accurate arrow hurts the most...

Blogger Josh August 14, 2015 2:51 PM  

Your exact argument before was that there have never been as many "white" people in the US before, now you want to pretend that absolute numbers of incoming blacks being far higher than during slavery don't matter.

Where did I say that the absolute numbers of incoming blacks don't matter?

Blogger Nate August 14, 2015 2:53 PM  

"Such things always a) takes longer to start than you imagine then b) changes faster than you believe."

yeah... still discombobulating when you see it. Its like walking outside and seeing a green sky.

Anonymous Eric Ashley August 14, 2015 2:53 PM  

I got my ass kicked? When?

Vox, the WNers don't seem to go out of the way to announce 'yeah, God's okay and all that, but its really the Race that matters'. But it seems from listening to them that that is what they think.

I am not sure that you've ever explicitly said 'I love soccer', but it seems from your frequent posts that you do indeed love soccer. Why, instead of a more manly sport like ping pong, I don't know.

I'm trying to follow your thoughts. It seems that you believe that unless someone explicitly identifies as X, then one cannot assume they are X based on actions. Except I am pretty sure you don't believe that.

You are saying that intuition is an invalid tool in a logical arguement. Since the only person I really care about convincing is me, I disagree. It may or may not be strictly logical by some stupid definition, but it is reasonable.


Blogger Groot August 14, 2015 2:55 PM  

@25. Jourdan:
"The terms SJW and Cuckservative have done more to advance the right-wing cause in a year than years of so-called conservative activism have in years."

There was a time after the term RINO surged where some proudly declared themselves RINOs, even including it in their site's URL. This will never happen with cuckservative.

@7. A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents:
"Jonah Goldberg ... might be a cuckservative."

Dammit, boys. I will stop this car and go back and settle this myself (or automatthew will, as he's actually holding the steering wheel). Jonah has been fighting this fight for decades. Liberal Fascism was brilliant. He is not the enemy.

@27. BigGaySteve August 14, 2015 12:15 PM
"They only think its racist because they have more cuck porn at their house than Shakespeare & Chaucer."

It's like someone brings up kids, and Gerrold starts spewing about porn. The only thing racist or porny about cuckolds is their dirty minds.

Anonymous Discard August 14, 2015 2:56 PM  

If you're an American citizen of Chinese ancestry who roots for China in the Olympic Games, you're not American, no matter how many generations your family has been here. Same for Mexicans or any other group. It should not be hard to sort people out, when, for 40 years everyone has been encouraged to declare their disloyalty.

Blogger Nate August 14, 2015 2:56 PM  

"Your exact argument before was that there have never been as many "white" people in the US before, now you want to pretend that absolute numbers of incoming blacks being far higher than during slavery don't matter. The majority of "refugees" coming in are moslem."

according to this thread... his position is we should end all immigration and ship everyone post 1986 back to where they came from.

Do you take issue with that position? If not... this is a bullshit waste of time.

Blogger Josh August 14, 2015 2:56 PM  

Dammit, boys. I will stop this car and go back and settle this myself (or automatthew will, as he's actually holding the steering wheel). Jonah has been fighting this fight for decades. Liberal Fascism was brilliant. He is not the enemy.

Prediction: someone's going to declare you to be the enemy for saying that Jonah Goldberg is not the enemy.

Blogger Josh August 14, 2015 2:59 PM  

For the record, the total number of refugees in 2013 was 69,909.

OpenID corvinus333 August 14, 2015 2:59 PM  

There was a time after the term RINO surged where some proudly declared themselves RINOs, even including it in their site's URL. This will never happen with cuckservative.

@138 Groot
Truth. I have actually seen instances of cucks trying to "reclaim" the term, but you can't "reclaim" a term like that. It's like trying to "reclaim" "loser".

Blogger Danby August 14, 2015 3:00 PM  

@137 Eric Ashley
"You are saying that intuition is an invalid tool in a logical arguement. Since the only person I really care about convincing is me, I disagree.

Then go masturbate somewhere else. You believe it because you feel it, but you can't deduce it logically so you'll tell someone who doesn't care about what you feel that your feelings on a matter are a perfectly valid way to advance an argument?

Why are you even commenting here?

Anonymous Krul August 14, 2015 3:01 PM  

Josh - "Prediction: someone's going to declare you to be the enemy for saying that Jonah Goldberg is not the enemy."

They say "the enemy of my enemy is my friend", but what if my enemy's enemy has an enemy? And what if THAT enemy has an enemy? Is enmity transitive?

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents August 14, 2015 3:03 PM  

Groot
Dammit, boys. I will stop this car and go back and settle this myself (or automatthew will, as he's actually holding the steering wheel). Jonah has been fighting this fight for decades. Liberal Fascism was brilliant. He is not the enemy.

Liberal Fascism is a great book. But Jonah Goldberg is still in favor of more immigration, and his reaction to the use of the word "cuckservative" was a George Will-esque pinky-raised sniff of derision. So what does that make him, grandpa?

Blogger Joshua Dyal August 14, 2015 3:04 PM  

It doesn't mention how much of the black population is from Africa and how much is from the Caribbean.

With regards to repatriation; I honestly don't care where they go. I'm in favor of slamming shut the border, putting the troops on the border telling them to shoot anything that crosses even if its just a jackrabbit, and immediately starting the clock. Any immigrant who's here for any reason—legal or illegal—who is 1) taking government assistance of any kind, 2) guilty of any crime at all whatsoever, 3) has overstayed their visa, or 4) came here under fraudulent conditions, such as seeking asylum or family reunification that's dishonest—has 120 days to get out. I don't care where they go. They can go back home, or they can flood Tijuana. I don't care. After the 120 days are up, the military and/or the police can earn extra cash while off duty by finding, rounding them up, and turning them in for deportation. We dump them over the southern border, and the finders get a $5,000 bounty per alien brought in.

That doesn't address the entirety of the immigration/repatriation problem, as it still allows legal H1-B1 visa holders to stay—at least until that nonsense is repealed. But it is a great start. In six months, we could have the problem more or less contained.

Anonymous Discard August 14, 2015 3:05 PM  

Africa's population wil not quadruple or even double. They can't even feed themselves now.

Anonymous Mike M. August 14, 2015 3:09 PM  

WRT my comment...

I certainly want the illegals returned to their homelands. And legal immigration cut dramatically, with requirements that legal immigrants may only be admitted in proportion to their numbers in the current population. No more than 5% from any one foreign country. And must, of course, have the skills to support themselves.

We have a surplus of unskilled labor already. No need to import more...and shedding the illegals has enormous repercussions, all of them good for the USA.

Blogger Elocutioner #0226 August 14, 2015 3:11 PM  

"Most of them were shipped here over 200 years ago. They HAVE no homeland other than the United States."

... So? Many repatriated to Liberia 250 years after slaves were first brought to Virginia. They were brought here against their will but have largely refused to civilize in this country and it's time for (most of) them to return to plaguing their home continent. Maybe without the brutal oppression of the white patriarchy they'll finally be able to build that liberal utopia they've been dreaming about. For the rest - are you American or African?

Peoples have been migrating since the dawn of time due to persecution, why is this group a precious snowflake? Because of liberal white guilt? That ship has sailed. Cut off all gov't benefits and demand generational reimbursement for being a leech on the ass of this country. See how many leave once the flow reverses.

And, yes, citizenship will definitely need to be revised to avoid a repeat.

Anonymous Eric Ashley August 14, 2015 3:13 PM  

Danby, intuition is not 'feels'. BTW, nice job with the snip and cut.

And why do I comment here? Because I FEELZ like it, of course. Heh.

Blogger Nate August 14, 2015 3:18 PM  

"Vox, the WNers don't seem to go out of the way to announce 'yeah, God's okay and all that, but its really the Race that matters'. But it seems from listening to them that that is what they think."

No.

He's saying that when it comes to immigration the WN stance on religion doesn't matter.

Blogger Owen August 14, 2015 3:18 PM  

And legal immigration cut dramatically, with requirements that legal immigrants may only be admitted in proportion to their numbers in the current population. No more than 5% from any one foreign country. And must, of course, have the skills to support themselves.

Mike M,
Why does the US need immigration, at all?

Anonymous Discard August 14, 2015 3:20 PM  

Blacks Americans do not need to be sent to Africa. Cutting off welfare and affirmative action, jailing the criminals, and sterilizing the baby mommas and daddies would reduce their numbers greatly.

Blogger Nate August 14, 2015 3:24 PM  

"Why does the US need immigration, at all?"

well... we do have a shortage of seriously high end brainiacs for specific critical jobs. I mean its our own fault. We've turned generations of kids in to mushy headed retards.

Blogger Danby August 14, 2015 3:24 PM  

@151 Eric Ashley August 14, 2015 3:13 PM

Danby, intuition is not 'feels'. BTW, nice job with the snip and cut.

That's not only substantively what intution is, that's all that it is.

Tell me in concise manner the substantive difference in meaning between these two statements:
I intuit that Eric Ashley is an racist
I feel that Eric Ashley is a racist.

And as a method of arriving at truth, your intuition has no more validity than the most rabbity gamma rabbit's goodfeelz/badfeelz.

When you used the word "intutition", what you meant is precisely "I have exactly no evidence to back up my claim, but I feel it is true, so you should just accept it and move on."

Blogger Nate August 14, 2015 3:25 PM  

"That's not only substantively what intution is, that's all that it is. "

no.

intuition is about deduction... not emotion.

Blogger Joshua Sinistar August 14, 2015 3:25 PM  

Without White people Christianity is just Senta Muerta and Damballah Wedo whith a white girlfriend. Civilization only comes in White. Far East Asians are good at copying it, but without Whites it declines faster than the value of a brand new car when you drive it off the lot. Even those who aren't White should oppose White Genocide. Because food, clean water, electricity, computers, transportation, reliable energy sources and a whole host of other things are remarkably superior than living in a mud hut or ramshackle broken down hovel. Its like what they say all over the webs, What did they use to light their homes in Zimbabwe before they had candles? Electricity! And that's the bottom line, cause Stone Cold Said So!
Racism. Its the glorious future.

Blogger Owen August 14, 2015 3:26 PM  

well... we do have a shortage of seriously high end brainiacs for specific critical jobs. I mean its our own fault. We've turned generations of kids in to mushy headed retards.

Is it possible that, without the imported brains, the wages for those jobs would rise and moms and dads would say, "Screw law school/med school, get an engineering degree!"

Blogger Joshua Dyal August 14, 2015 3:28 PM  

Why does the US need immigration, at all?

We probably don't. I don't mind it in small numbers of useful and culturally assimilatable individuals, though.

Blogger Nate August 14, 2015 3:30 PM  

" Civilization only comes in White. "

This spectacularly retarded. Advance double-plus retard.. which all-new window-licking action!

Blogger Nate August 14, 2015 3:31 PM  

"Is it possible that, without the imported brains, the wages for those jobs would rise and moms and dads would say, "Screw law school/med school, get an engineering degree!""

its not really the engineering level I'm talking about. Engineers don't need to be that smart. Most of them aren't.

I'm talking about the nuclear physicist type brainiacs. We don't have enough of them.

Blogger Zeke OF Confettii August 14, 2015 3:43 PM  

Going right into my prayer book.
VFM#396.

Blogger Josh August 14, 2015 3:47 PM  

This spectacularly retarded. Advance double-plus retard.. which all-new window-licking action!

Helmet not included?

Blogger Nate August 14, 2015 3:50 PM  

I mean look... if you demonstrably have no idea what the word civilization means... and yet you keep using it over and over...

you might be a dumbass.

Blogger Danby August 14, 2015 3:51 PM  

@Nate
If you can articulate a reason for it, it's a deduction. If you can't it's gas.

If you can articulate a reason for it, it's not an intuition.

Blogger ray August 14, 2015 3:55 PM  

"Erick Erickson, the conservative media personality, condemned those who throw around the word as a handful of racist Internet trolls who hate Christians and support an agenda of white supremacism."


Erick Erickson, like the Grey Lady, is an enemy of God, truth, and nation. And the Southern Profitability Lie Center assures us that calling castrated, sellout-conservatives 'cuckservatives' is a tactic of White Nationalists. Who'd have anticipated that dodge? :O)

Well I'm not a White Nationalist and (to say the least) I do not 'hate Christians'. What I hate are emasculated, deceitful, cowardly pseudo-Christians like Erick Erickson, who teem like lice upon the nation and degrade Christ with their fake service to him.

I'm not fond of being falsely accused so others can protect their fat, useless, lying gravy-trains. The accusations never stop in New Amerika, Left or Right it's constant profitable attacks. So their gravy trains are going to get de-tracked. You should be worried you little punks.

Blogger dc.sunsets August 14, 2015 4:01 PM  

Africa's population wil not quadruple or even double. They can't even feed themselves now.

Cue Sally Struthers.

/facepalm

Blogger dc.sunsets August 14, 2015 4:02 PM  

Engineers don't need to be that smart. Most of them aren't.
Ditto physicians.

Blogger dc.sunsets August 14, 2015 4:06 PM  

I'm talking about the nuclear physicist type brainiacs. We don't have enough of them.

Yes, one of my computer scientist sons informs me that the Asian & Indian (dot) guys getting advanced comp sci degrees in the US are often phenomenally bright...but they can't do a lot of the things that IT people actually do because they have a very hard time relating to other people.

As you know, there's a big difference between theoretical and applied.

Somehow I don't think the USA would suffer much if the inflow of bright Asian people slowed.

Blogger VD August 14, 2015 4:13 PM  

Since the only person I really care about convincing is me, I disagree.

Then the rest of us will continue to ignore you.

Anonymous BGS August 14, 2015 4:16 PM  

we should end all immigration and ship everyone post 1986 back to where they came from....Do you take issue with that position? If not... this is a bullshit waste of time.

I would rather have that happen than the current situation where my taxes pay social security disability benefits for not speaking English.& buying cars for the likes of the Boston Marathon Brothers. http://www.acf.hhs.gov/programs/orr/programs/ida/about . The victims of Ali Mohammad Brown (serial killer of gays in 3 states) paid for his benefits.

Blogger Nate August 14, 2015 4:18 PM  

"Ditto physicians."

I disagree. the important thing with physicians is recall. hey have to be able to store massive amounts of info... and recall it quickly.

Blogger overcaffeinated August 14, 2015 4:20 PM  

@155

"we do have a shortage of seriously high end brainiacs for specific critical jobs"

Anything "seriously high end" is always going to be in short supply. And "shortage" is subjective: a shortage from an employer's perspective is an abundance of job opportunities from an employee's perspective.

The "STEM crisis" is a myth fabricated by technology corporations to allow them to hire more low-paid Asian immigrants.

http://spectrum.ieee.org/riskfactor/at-work/tech-careers/exposing-the-roots-of-the-perpetual-stem-crisis-

Don't side with liberal billionaries like Mark Zuckerburg and his FWD propaganda campaign.

Blogger Nate August 14, 2015 4:21 PM  

"Somehow I don't think the USA would suffer much if the inflow of bright Asian people slowed."

it needs to slow. In fact it needs to stop.

I'm just ok with keeping some of the really bright ones in really important jobs that we actually do need.

Blogger overcaffeinated August 14, 2015 4:24 PM  

@158

"Far East Asians are good at copying it, but without Whites it declines faster than the value of a brand new car when you drive it off the lot."

That's a bit extreme: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chinese_inventions

Blogger ScuzzaMan August 14, 2015 4:25 PM  

I agree that immigration is being used as a deliberate strategy to dilute, and ultimately destroy, the wealth and power of the european nations, i.e. "the West".

And I don't question that the reasons Vox discusses are in some measure correct.

What occurred to me recently is that there is another reason which may or may not be a stronger one, or may simply be another way of saying what Vox has been saying.

That is, that if what was several centuries ago written about centralised power is true, that only the shared moral outrage* of the general population can ever restrain the possessors of power, then one primary aim of those who want to wield increasingly centralised power, must be to break down the moral structure of the nation. To so dilute and pervert and disrupt the moral thinking of the populace that there is no longer any coherent or cohesive moral core to the nation.

And in such cases, where your motive is nefarious, you necessarily introduce the measures required to achieve it using the exact opposite terms to describe it as are actual descriptions of it. IOW, you cannot announce that you're pro mass immigration so as to permanently enslave the voters. No, you announce that you're pro mass immigration because it is an essential component of freedom and you would never support any measure that restricted the freedom of your people.

(* By "outrage" here I do not refer to twitter storms and meaningless online chatter. I mean people getting out into the streets, jamming up the wheels of business-as-usual, and forcing policy back-downs from adventurous politicians. I mean, ultimately, pitchforks, torches and guillotines. I mean people who are so outraged they're prepared to sacrifice themselves to oppose new policies.)

Blogger Groot August 14, 2015 4:30 PM  

@50. Cail Corishev:
"ruling over an increasingly globalized, homogenized, disarmed. dumbed-down mass of people."

Except for the "dumbed-down" part, you're right. Realization dawns that the time is past for denying IQ's genetic basis (cf. the uncontroversial status of Pinker's The Blank Slate).

@101. Porky:
"It seriously looks like he just ate a fetus wrapped in gold foil before making love to a microwaved cantaloupe."

If Porky ever offers you a look at his porn, do not go there. Not even Steve.

110. Dexter:
"Gotta be clear up front that the whole 'birth citizenship' thing goes out the window."

That is a Constitutional matter, and thus a war rather than a battle. There is lower-hanging fruit.

144. Danby:
"Then go masturbate somewhere else."

Only true LOL of the thread, so far.

146. A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents:
"But Jonah Goldberg is still in favor of more immigration, and his reaction to the use of the word 'cuckservative' was a George Will-esque pinky-raised sniff of derision. So what does that make him, grandpa?"

It makes him something other than a snot-nosed kid juggling explosives on the freeway. Witness Nate's amazement at the sea change regarding immigration. He is learning, as he's a bright boy, about the ebb and flow of these things. If you remain unaware of strategy and tactics, you are useful only as cannon-fodder, which may be your lot. Slogging your way through the institutions is a long march. Reacting like a puppy to every new meme is what puppies do.

155. Nate:
"we do have a shortage of seriously high end brainiacs for specific critical jobs. I mean its our own fault. We've turned generations of kids in to mushy headed retards."

And so we return to the genetic basis of IQ. Don't try to teach a pig to sing: You're only wasting your time, and annoying the pig.

Blogger Eraser August 14, 2015 4:39 PM  

It sucks that the left keeps pushing amnesty for illegals and badly thought-out refugee programs, all of which make decent, hard-working and legal migrants get a bad reputation by association.

That being said, I don't buy the idea that genes determine culture or behavior like destiny (as claimed in @65, for example). Even people from orderly cultures like England or Germany will begin to misbehave if all social sanctions for bad behavior are removed for long enough. And they are being removed in all Western countries. It takes a while because of upbringing (train up a child in the way he should go...), but the consequences are becoming visible and it takes a heavy dose of confirmation bias not to see them. The change in behavior of Western women in the last 30-40 years did not come from genetics. Neither did 'chav culture' in the UK.

Genetic determinism can be a source of pleasure and psychological comfort for believers. It is comforting to look at the social devastation in black communities in the US and be able to say: "This could never happen to us, because we have the right genes. Everything will be fine as long as we keep the badgenes away.", but I don't think it works like that.

The good news for White Nationalists is that immigration will pretty much stop by itself if the Western economies collapse as predicted by some people: large-scale migration only persists if the economic advantages for migrating are huge.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents August 14, 2015 4:42 PM  

Grandpa Groot
It makes him something other than a snot-nosed kid juggling explosives on the freeway.

Thread winner for non sequitur, congrats.

Witness Nate's amazement at the sea change regarding immigration.

What's Nate, got to do, got to do with it?

He is learning, as he's a bright boy, about the ebb and flow of these things. If you remain unaware of strategy and tactics, you are useful only as cannon-fodder, which may be your lot. Slogging your way through the institutions is a long march.

Uh, yeah, ok. So what?

Reacting like a puppy to every new meme is what puppies do.

Cool, so Jonah Goldberg is a puppy, because he reacted stupidly to the cuckservative meme?

Look, since learning new things is difficult for some people as they age, I'll spell it out for you, Grandpa.

Jonah Goldberg is pro immigration. He's on record wanting immigration to be increased. Increasing immigration means colonization of the US by peasants. Colonization of the US by peasants means a one-party state, a race-based spoils system along the lines of California.

Accepting the above out of fear of being called "racist" is cuckservatism. Jonah Goldberg is a cuckservative, therefore.

Now, a senior citizen might well stumble over the word and conclude that "cuckservative" and "enemy" are synonyms, but that isn't at all necessarily true. This might be too complex for you, maybe this close to time for your afternoon nap though, so it's time to stop.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents August 14, 2015 4:47 PM  

Nate

I disagree. the important thing with physicians is recall. hey have to be able to store massive amounts of info... and recall it quickly.


AND the ability to learn new things while discarding out of date things. I'm not scared of things doctors don't know, but I am scared of the stuff the "know" that is flat out wrong. Unfortunately for a lot of sawbones, all learning stops at the end of residency.

That said, I don't see any reason to import any more people into the US for the next 50 years, no matter how smart they may be.

Anonymous Copperhead Joe August 14, 2015 4:50 PM  

"According to this article, the replacement Americans aren't able to do the job of replacement. So the existing Americans will have to work harder to take care of them, while doing all the other work of the nation"

That is precisely what is happening with H1B in the office where I currently work (engineer). Problem is that most people I know outside the industry think this is a very small and isolated problem (6 hour per day mainstream tv watching people).

Blogger Eraser August 14, 2015 4:54 PM  

@177: then one primary aim of those who want to wield increasingly centralised power, must be to break down the moral structure of the nation. To so dilute and pervert and disrupt the moral thinking of the populace that there is no longer any coherent or cohesive moral core to the nation.

And in such cases, where your motive is nefarious, you necessarily introduce the measures required to achieve it using the exact opposite terms to describe it as are actual descriptions of it.


You're describing Cultural Marxism: infiltrate the media, universities and schools; attack and destroy the bases of society (tradition, family, morals and religion); create disorder and unrest to pave the way for a revolution.

Blogger Mark Citadel August 14, 2015 4:56 PM  

Liberalism is a cancer and Conservatives want to encourage its growth, whether they realize it or not. All over the Reactosphere, the Liberal makes stupid comment after stupid comment, purveying things like white guilt. Conservatism blindly works hand in glove with the same people, often facilitated by greedy activist-tycoons like Erickson.

Blogger Groot August 14, 2015 5:00 PM  

@180. A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents:

I'm going to guess minimum wage. No, wait, 15 posts on this single thread. You're unemployed. Your rebuttal is a stream of "didn't understand." And you're advising doctors, now? This isn't even fun.

Blogger Nate August 14, 2015 5:09 PM  

"That said, I don't see any reason to import any more people into the US for the next 50 years, no matter how smart they may be. "

I'm not talking about importing more. I'm talking about not deporting the 20 to 50 or so that may have extremely valuable skills. For example... the greatest living neurosurgeon is a man named Fukashima. And I would just as soon keep him here.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents August 14, 2015 5:16 PM  

Grandpa Groot
I'm going to guess minimum wage. No, wait, 15 posts on this single thread. You're unemployed.

What difference would any of that make? Here's a free clue: argumentum ad hominem is a logical fallacy. You can look up the term "logical fallacy" by yourself, I hope?

Your rebuttal is a stream of "didn't understand."

What part of

Jonah Goldberg is pro immigration. He's on record wanting immigration to be increased. Increasing immigration means colonization of the US by peasants. Colonization of the US by peasants means a one-party state, a race-based spoils system along the lines of California.

did you find difficult to understand, Grandpa?

And you're advising doctors, now?

Where did I do that, Grandpa? Maybe you need your bifocal prescription checked? When you do, I bet you'll want your opthamologist to be up to date, too, ironically, rather than working as though it's still the 1990's.

But hey, if you are secure in some sunset industry or tenured position where learning new facts / techniques and discarding out of date ones isn't essential to professional survival, then by all means get as stale as you want. Just don't expect the rest of us to follow your lead/

This isn't even fun.

Uh oh, Grandpa's getting cranky. Nap time? How about a nice cup of Ovlatine and a lay down until Wheel of Fortune comes on?

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents August 14, 2015 5:19 PM  

I'm not talking about importing more. I'm talking about not deporting the 20 to 50 or so that may have extremely valuable skills

Ok. Fine by me, not that our agreement means doodly squat to anyone else.

I mean, it's kind of silly to sit around debating who should / should not get deported at a time when leftists, liberals and cuckservatives are all in massive agreement that the US clearly needs MOAR immigration.

Blogger Nate August 14, 2015 5:36 PM  

"liberals and cuckservatives are all in massive agreement that the US clearly needs MOAR immigration"

Mate... the point is... things have changed. Yes.. there are lots of people that haven't noticed yet... but the entire conversation on immigration has changed in the US.

Yelling "racis!" doesn't work anymore.

That's what sea-change is.

Everything was going one way... then it stopped... and now everything is going the other way.

and the other way is our way.

Blogger Danby August 14, 2015 5:36 PM  

"The change in behavior of Western women in the last 30-40 years did not come from genetics. Neither did 'chav culture' in the UK."

The boy needs to read a bit more.
Protip: The Taming Of The Shrew by Bill "Hillbilly" Shakspeare. explains everything you need to understand about modern women, and Oliver Twist by Charles "What the" Dickens is an exemplary exposition of 'chav' culture.

Anonymous Discard August 14, 2015 5:52 PM  

Danby 190: Gertrude Himmelfarb, IIRC, has written extensively of how Victorian culture uplifted the English working poor. Much of the loathsomeness of modern culture is just some people slipping back to their natural state, the cultural supports of civilization having been removed.

I sometimes think that The Powers Behind TPTB are running a big shit test, to see whose genes will be allowed to exist into the next century. In this scenario, Blacks are a shit magnet, and those who go primitive will be discarded.

Blogger Joshua Dyal August 14, 2015 6:17 PM  

Genetic determinism can be a source of pleasure and psychological comfort for believers. It is comforting to look at the social devastation in black communities in the US and be able to say: "This could never happen to us, because we have the right genes. Everything will be fine as long as we keep the badgenes away.", but I don't think it works like that.

It's a kind of secular Calvinism in a way; you're doomed to repeat the mistakes of your ancestors because you just don't have the genetics to do otherwise, or something.

I admit to not being fully literate on the technical literature of the nature vs. nurture debate, but personal experience makes me skeptical of those kinds of claims, regardless of what it says.

Blogger Eraser August 14, 2015 6:29 PM  

Danby (@190):
Fine, human nature has been pretty much the same since the time of Shakespeare, and probably before that. But that shows that genetic determinism is false, doesn't it, considering that behavior and culture do change?

Blogger Cail Corishev August 14, 2015 6:29 PM  

Yes.. there are lots of people that haven't noticed yet... but the entire conversation on immigration has changed in the US.

My first impulse was to disagree, at least here in the Midwest. Then I realized that I don't really know, because I haven't talked to anyone about it lately. I think I got tired of hearing people recite "nation of immigrants" like a mantra. I used to have to make nods toward "good" immigration like that of their great-grandparents to soften them up, and then stick strictly to talking about illegals and corporate greed.

May have to run some tests, see how differently people react now.

Blogger Eraser August 14, 2015 6:44 PM  

@192; I admit to not being fully literate on the technical literature of the nature vs. nurture debate, ...

I believe the pendulum is swinging towards nature right now. It looks like intelligence and personality have a fairly large genetic basis.

However, it's important to keep in mind that this applies to individuals as well as populations, and individual variations are big. To put it another way, the smartest blacks are a lot smarter than the dumbest whites.

Blogger Danby August 14, 2015 6:52 PM  

@193 Eraser
Fine, human nature has been pretty much the same since the time of Shakespeare, and probably before that. But that shows that genetic determinism is false, doesn't it, considering that behavior and culture do change?


So the definite change in cultural behaviour over the last 3 decades shows that genetic determinism is wrong, but the lack of change in cultural behaviour also shows that that genetic determinism is wrong?

I don't think you understand what we're talking about here. No one here is arguing that specific behaviour is genetically determined, but rather that personality traits, like tendency toward aggression, time preference, goal-oriented and extrapolative thinking, promiscuity, etc, etc are heavily influenced by genetics.

IOW, there are always exceptions, and people who rise above the hand God dealt them, but in large groups, breeding will eventually tell. It is true that the Victorian Christians managed to greatly improve the behaviour of the English lower classes. But with the restraints off, as all restraints are now off, they are reverting to mean. Just like US Blacks, who in the 1920s and 1930s lifted themselves out of a cultural morass, thanks largely to enthusiastic Christianity, which built up a great work ethic, moral behaviour and self-control. With the intentional destruction of Christianity in this country, all that was thrown out the window, just as it was with the lower classes in England.
And just as Blacks without Christ will revert to their African roots, the lower classes in England are reverting to their Saxon, Viking, Norman French and Celtic roots. I know most here will disagree with me, but in 20-30 years, I expect England to start rebuilding their empire, starting with London, and none of that human decency stuff this time.

I wonder if the people who decided that Christianity was bad for their tribe will make the connection when they're heaved out fo the country? They're supposed to be smart.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents August 14, 2015 7:00 PM  

Mate... the point is... things have changed. Yes.. there are lots of people that haven't noticed yet... but the entire conversation on immigration has changed in the US.

Well, maybe where you are. Not yet in my part of flyover country. It's strictly "Nation of Immigrants" and "benefits of Diversity" and "opposing legal immigration is racist" around here, not just the mass media but the local GOP party leaders as well. For exampley, my state won't stop handing out legal ID's to illegals. The Dems demanded it and the Repubs are totally afeared of being called racist, so they caved.

I know things are different in 'Bama. Y'all have some success stories. Not so elsewhere.

Anonymous 334 August 14, 2015 7:03 PM  

Vox, are the VFM over 400 yet? Must be close ...

Blogger rcocean August 14, 2015 7:19 PM  

I think its been proven again and again that any conservative who criticizes Erick Erickson is a White supremacist or racist. If you want proof, just read Red State. BTW, the official approved moderator just called all of Trump's supporters "Filth". That's a cuck personified.

Blogger rcocean August 14, 2015 7:21 PM  

Jonah Goldberg has stated he would support a leftist over Pat Buchanan because Pat is a "nationalist" and JG is an internationalist in immigration and trade matters.

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