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Sunday, August 23, 2015

恭喜!別客氣。

I had an initial look at the Hugo statistics. I'll have more on them later, but what leaped out immediately was the fact that the Puppy vote tipped the balance in Best Novel, giving it to Cixin Liu's very good hard SF novel instead of Katherine Addison's SJW fantasy angst-fest.

2649 The Three Body Problem
2449 The Goblin Emperor

Considering that the Rabid Puppy vote averaged 565 across the various categories, that demonstrates that we have the ability to play kingmaker even when we're outnumbered approximately 4.5 to one by the SJWs combined with the traditional WorldCon community.

I'm going to guess that other than Chaos Horizon, who confirmed my Best Novel analysis, we're not going to see a lot of SJW commentary on that, as they are too busy celebrating their successful self-immolations.
Goblin Emperor lost the Best Novel to Three-Body Problem by 200 votes. Since there seem to have been at least 500 Rabid Puppy voters who followed VD’s suggestion to vote Liu first, this means Liu won because of the Rabid Puppies. Take that as you will.
Based on Chaos Horizon's numbers, it appears there are 2500 SJWs, up from 1,100 last year, plus 2,400 WorldCon voters who are naturally biased against the Puppies, mostly on the basis of our slates, but are not intrinsically opposed to us on ideological grounds. That's pretty close to their maximum mobilization, whereas 565 RP and 450 SP is only a fraction of our own.

I also appreciated this email from a RA, a non-Puppy who is one of the many former fans unhappy with what the SJW gatekeepers have decided is sufficiently non-problematic fiction worthy of publishing:
I wanted to write to you to say thank you for your work demonstrating the toxicity of the social justice warriors that have invested science fiction.

Science fiction was the first community I ran screaming from when the SJWs appeared - the amount of anti-white racism, the group-think, and the identity politics was shocking and horrifying to me. Segregated anthologies, editors that saw no harm in ranting about how they despised an entire race of people, and reviewers who made a point of counting how many "coloureds" and "women" there were in anthologies so they could decide how good they were.

Looking back I can't believe how bad it was, and I'm glad I no longer write or am involved in science fiction groups.

I am absolutely indebted to you for your work on the Hugo Awards which show so clearly their approach to people who do not "rightthink". In a way it shows me that I wasn't crazy, that they were abhorrent, and that this is a community I should never have been involved in, given the horrible things it endorses.
RA is quite welcome, of course. The current SF community is a deeply sick and twisted one, and their ridiculous preferences in literature are merely a symptom of the real issues that plague them. The five categories burned last night are only the first sparks of the cleansing conflagration that is coming.

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88 Comments:

Anonymous Sensei August 23, 2015 9:22 AM  

It seems like the less interesting but more likely outcome of the Xanatos gambit played out basically as expected, if slightly weaker than hoped for. Nothing surprising, the Right is terrible at marching in the same direction together towards an objective, whereas the Left specializes in abandoning their will to the Cause.

I'm very glad 3 Body Problem won though, and proud that the puppy efforts achieved it; Liu thoroughly deserved it. I've now found it in the original Chinese in a local bookshop and am excited about attempting to tackle it this Fall.

Blogger IM2L844 August 23, 2015 9:30 AM  

Yes, I expect Gerrold's blatant smugness will turn to screeching horror within the next few years.

Blogger snowdog August 23, 2015 9:32 AM  

It was a lot of fun to be watching the awards in one window last night and listening to Vox's commentary in the other. I didn't participate this year because Hugos have never held any interest for me in the past and I figured that jumping in now would just make me an asshole. But now that I've watched the strange circus that is the awards show--"Come on shake that tambourine one more time! It's hilarious!"--I won't have any reservations next year. They've crapped in their own nest and called it victory. So you could say I've been converted from nonparticipant directly to Rapid Puppy.

Blogger VD August 23, 2015 9:33 AM  

SNOWDOG! The legend resurfaces.

Anonymous Giuseppe the Kurgan August 23, 2015 9:47 AM  

I tweeted this before reading here:

At the Hugos, @voxday magnanimously allows 3 body problem to win. Elsewhere his gaze rests: Ashes. Hugos 2016: Only Ashes

Anonymous 292b1f3f34 August 23, 2015 10:05 AM  

So you could say I've been converted from nonparticipant directly to Rapid Puppy.

Word. Same here. Although I am always rooting for the destruction of the SJWs, in SF and generally, I was content to congratulate the pups for tactics well executed. That's not enough: the RP need numbers and numbers they shall have. Of course, targets should not be limited to the SF world, but I expect this element of The Strategy will be addressed in Vox's forthcoming manual.

OpenID GnonProphet August 23, 2015 10:07 AM  

I did not buy in for 2015. I will for 2016.

I want the opening skit to have a different ending.

Anonymous Kool Moe Dee August 23, 2015 10:15 AM  

I'm in for '16

Blogger VD August 23, 2015 10:17 AM  

I'll be holding a 2016 strategy session at the Closed Brainstorm Session later this week. Brainstorm Annual members only, except for those already current Monthly members.

Anonymous Sensei August 23, 2015 10:17 AM  

Vox, minor note: You've used traditional characters in your title (恭喜! 別客氣) but Liu is mainland Chinese where they use simplified. That will only affect the last character, however. (氣 -> 气)

(I prefer traditional myself for several reasons, but when congratulating a Roman...)

Anonymous Hugo Meme August 23, 2015 10:19 AM  

Well, it's good news that the Hugo's were not sullied and dirtied up by the likes of Vox Day and John Wright winning anything. In fact "no award" beats them up badly. I guess we know what the Science fictiion community thinks of them and their "talent".

Anonymous Adam August 23, 2015 10:26 AM  

The current SF community is a deeply sick and twisted one, and their ridiculous preferences in literature are merely a symptom of the real issues that plague them.

You are a fascist.

Also a joke.

And also a fascist.

Anonymous Hugo Meme August 23, 2015 10:28 AM  

I'm not sur about "Facist".. But "Clown" certainly fits the bill.

Anonymous VFM #0202 August 23, 2015 10:33 AM  

Adam, would you define "fascism" for us? I'm not entirely sure I understand you.

Anonymous Roundtine August 23, 2015 10:35 AM  

All in all a good night. We tipped the balance in the most important vote and got the SJWs to reveal themselves. 疯狂的小狗,恭喜恭喜!

Anonymous Stingray August 23, 2015 10:38 AM  

In fact "no award" beats them up badly.

Over and over and over again Vox has made his intentions clearly known. And over and over and over again, you all still just don't get it. I wonder why?

Oh yeah. SJW's aways project.

Anonymous Hugo Meme August 23, 2015 10:45 AM  

Stingray...

Toasted. The entire project. Wanna know why? Because clowns fail.

Blogger Steveo #238 August 23, 2015 10:48 AM  

I for one cannot wait for the year long extravaganza that is our future. The SJWs are pathetic - the particular infestation of the SF world is perhaps the most masqueraded, but disgusting self-aggrandizing crowd I have ever seen... and the big win in this last battle is VD's accomplishment with the exposition of their obreption. He has surreptitiously established the game, the playing field, and as 2016 will witness, the playahs.

Anonymous Mr.A is Mr.A August 23, 2015 10:51 AM  

@16. They are so steeped in lies and the practice of lying, they can't see truth for what is is anymore. Results were as predicted, as the CHORFs, TrueFen, SJWs, and others of their kind joined together to resoundingly prove what Larry, Brad, and Vox said about them was true.

Supreme Dark Lord! The Unwitting Minions Brigade stands ready for Hugo 2016 efforts!

Blogger anne August 23, 2015 10:55 AM  

Over and over and over again Vox has made his intentions clearly known. And over and over and over again, you all still just don't get it.

That's what gets me about this whole thing: none of this was secret. None of it! All the puppy strategizing was out in the open, and even though the SJWs seem to keep watch over VD, they still walk right into the trap.

Boggles my mind.

Anonymous Mr.A is Mr.A August 23, 2015 10:59 AM  

@17 Hugo Meme
Don't forget to take your badge -- you're "Number One" with us.

Anonymous Stingray August 23, 2015 11:06 AM  

@21,

You beat me to it. Thank you.

Hugo Meme,

With gratitude, please continue your important work.

Blogger Elocutioner #0226 August 23, 2015 11:06 AM  

@9 VD "I'll be holding a 2016 strategy session at the Closed Brainstorm Session later this week."

Not yet a member so I'll drop my suggestion here - provide them with one option that is a picture book.

Anonymous Poli_Mis August 23, 2015 11:13 AM  

I sat out this year. But not next.

We shall fight them on the beaches and on the landing grounds. We shall fight in the hills and in the streets.

Blogger snowdog August 23, 2015 11:18 AM  

SNOWDOG! The legend resurfaces.

Been here the whole time. Fingers just haven't been feeling chatty. Been enjoying the show from the cheap seats.

Blogger VD August 23, 2015 11:23 AM  

You are a fascist.

No, I'm opposed to women's rights and to their proportional representation in Congress.

Anonymous Jeremiah August 23, 2015 11:28 AM  

To lie, inflate statistics, and marginalize fans, they call business, and where they make a dung heap, they call it victory.

Blogger maniacprovost August 23, 2015 11:32 AM  

So, the Hugos will be even more fun next year. But there's a lot of other work to do. I am doing my part by loaning out my JCW and Vox Day books to people I know. Also reading Monster Hunter instead of Tor crap.

I think we need more high-quality blue short fiction, at least one more market for it, and of course to promote the existing ones. Now the actual short Sci Fi readership has dwindled to nothing. Other than First Sword, how can we fix that? Is it a lost cause?

Anonymous MG August 23, 2015 11:33 AM  

@20 That's because it looks like VD has a "heads I win, tails you lose" scenario. They can only claim victory is if the slates were a failure.

I am not a voracious reader as i was when I was younger. After growing up on the classics I tried to get back into reading SF back in the mid 2000's. I used the awards (Hugo's, etc) as a starting point but was thoroughly confused when the recent works were garbage. These last few years have opened my eyes as to what's going on. I did not participate this year but after what happened to JCW - the only new author I have found to really enjoy - I will for 2016.

Anonymous KA August 23, 2015 11:35 AM  

Lurker since April; first time posting. Found this site and LC via Breitbart. Most entertaining 5 months on the web. Thanks!

However, observer no more. That embarrassment of a spectacle last night pushed me over the edge. I vote to nuke the whole hot mess.

Anonymous DE August 23, 2015 11:44 AM  

Its been an experience being a small part of this whole thing. I walk away thoroughly disgusted with the SFF Establishment, Truefans, whatever they want to call themselves, on just about every level. Their politics, the way they treat outsiders, the way they behave in public. They are miserable, awful people in just about every way its possible to be miserable and awful. The most interesting thing was watching my wife's reaction over the course of Worldcon. Day one she was her typical bright, happy, affectionate, feminine self, saying hello to everyone, trying to be positive and helpful. She can get along with anyone and make conversation with anyone. By the Saturday she was in tears in our room, literally in tears, and kept muttering about not wanting to go out among 'them'. We can get along with gamers, comic geeks, renfaire types, wiccan circles, lan types... but this group was the most insular, hostile, socially retarded group I've ever seen. Imagine five days of that awards ceremony. We didn't even encounter anything political. It didn't even get that far. Just being in their presence was soul withering. Both of us went straight from mildly interested in Larry and Sarah to rabid die hard warriors for the cause. I'm not entirely sure what a Vile Ilk is or what the standards of this community are, but if I serve under Vox's banner, I get to stomp on the SJW's, that's good enough for me. I am weapon.

Anonymous Book_Girl August 23, 2015 11:52 AM  

...but if I serve under Vox's banner, I get to stomp on the SJW's, that's good enough for me. I am weapon.

Welcome aboard! Happy to have you.

For dining, SJW skulls taste best when stomped into a fine powder and added with their blood in a golden chalice. Mix with one part wine. They are bitter little vermin after all, and you have to kill the aftertaste.

Blogger Harmon August 23, 2015 12:00 PM  

The one thing that strikes me is the piece of dreck about the world going upside down not only won an award, but had 1700 votes from the get-go. That suggests to me that the hard-core strength of the SJWs is 1700. I mean, it's just sophomoric.

Blogger Salt August 23, 2015 12:03 PM  

Wired discusses the Hugos, and name drops GamerGate

"The Wired article name drops #gamergate as rapists in their Hugos Award article. https://archive.is/JzGme"

Guess Wired wants GG's Hugo participation in high numbers next year.

Blogger Salt August 23, 2015 12:05 PM  

@33

Good observation.

Blogger automatthew August 23, 2015 12:12 PM  

Can we get a version of the Unwitting Minion badge with an asterisk instead of a snowflake?

Anonymous Jack Amok August 23, 2015 12:18 PM  

Over and over and over again Vox has made his intentions clearly known. And over and over and over again, you all still just don't get it.

That's because there's a complete bedrock-level disconnect. The SJWs place an exceedingly high value on awards like this becuase they and the fifth-rate stories they read and write need all the validation they can get. Vox and Larry and JCW can get what - if any - validation they need from actually selling books. For someone like me, finding a group of pink-haired, socially mal-adapted and physically incompetent freaks in opposition to my ideas is validation enough.

I don't care about the awards. A lot like I don't care about gay people shacking up with each other. What I do care about is them deliberately making a public spectacle of themselves -they're trying to force me to validate their status by challenging me publically by taking over an established platform (the Hugos) and making noise about it.

But Gammas and fuglies - being social retards - don't even really understand what they're doing, and whine when their challenge provokes a response. Kick them out or burn it down, it's all the same to me. I don't need there to be awards, I just need degenerates and bad examples out of the limelight.

Blogger bob k. mando August 23, 2015 12:22 PM  

i find it amusing that they had a lisping homo up on the stage using Vonnegut's representation of an asshole to put their stamp on this year's awards.

https://anhourofplay.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/vonnegut-asshole.jpg

gosh. never would have expected that.

Anonymous Mr.A is Mr.A August 23, 2015 12:22 PM  

@36. automatthew
But the yellow snowflake can *BE* the yellow asterisk as it is. All in the interpretation -- that's more to the UMBs' liking anyway ...

Blogger David-2 August 23, 2015 12:32 PM  

I understand the Chaos Horizon analysis, I think, but I wonder if the estimate for the Rabid Puppy vote is low: There were 810 votes initially for No Award in the Best Graphic Story category, rising to 1006 at the end. Unless ~1000 should be considered an estimate for RP+SP together?

Skin Game comes in below No Award? That right there is a condemnation of the SJW vote.

Blogger Student in Blue August 23, 2015 12:54 PM  

*yawn*

I've seen more lies packed into shorter spaces. Try harder next time.

OpenID pancakeloach August 23, 2015 12:54 PM  

I am so, so, so glad that we kept Goblin Emperor from #1. As far as I'm concerned it belongs in the same pile as Wakulla Springs - the one labeled "How the heck did this non-fantasy story end up nominated for a fantasy award??" Except I thought Wakulla Springs wasn't terrible, so classing them together like that might be a bit unfair.

Blogger bob k. mando August 23, 2015 12:56 PM  

41. SJW August 23, 2015 12:51 PM

Facist, no. Clown?

But hers what we know. The saddest and most rabid puppies hate what the don't understand, create what nobody wants, and works to destroy that which is virtuous. The failed puppy Hugo campaign has been perfect evidence of this truth.



your failures at basic speeling and grammar render your critique as high ironic comedy.

please, do continue on.

Anonymous Sheila August 23, 2015 12:56 PM  

I only recently began reading modern SF - primarily by those recommended here - and I've been surprised by how much I'm enjoying it (I read far more fantasy and historical fiction). I'm still not sure where/how one draws the line between SF and fantasy. Anyhow, I generally observed and cheered from the sidelines this year. I, too, plan to pay the fee and vote next year, rather than remain merely a keyboard warrior. I'm not much of a joiner nor a strategist, but my contempt for SJWs leads to such rage that I very much want to participate in burning it all down.

Anonymous Mr.A is Mr.A August 23, 2015 12:59 PM  

The SJWs *are* understood (though they often fail to understand themselves); works are being created that *are* wanted (but not through the accepted avenues); and those who live in such while-washed sepulchers as SFWA/Worldcon/the Hugos are some of the individuals furthest from the concept of "virtue".

Rules 1, 2, and 3 in evidence. Nice trifecta, SJW. Here's your badge. Welcome to the UMB!

Anonymous Mr. Rational August 23, 2015 1:15 PM  

I walk away thoroughly disgusted with the SFF Establishment, Truefans, whatever they want to call themselves, on just about every level.

There's been a divide between actual fen and the clique known as SMOFs for a very, very long time (probably longer than I've been alive, certainly longer than I've been attending SF cons).  What's happened lately is that the SMOF ranks have been infiltrated by SJWs and other perverts.

@47 Whether real or satirist, you prove just how much of an impact the RPs are having.  SJWs aren't just letting them live rent-free in their heads, they are giving the RPs fully-furnished luxury lodgings.

Anonymous Mr.A is Mr.A August 23, 2015 1:20 PM  

@47. SJW
What you call "proof" is just the weight of your chains; seek "truth" instead, if you can recognize it after so long.

Anonymous Stingray August 23, 2015 1:20 PM  

The saddest and most rabid puppies hate what the don't understand

SJWs equate acceptance with understanding. Which is probably why they can't understand us at all.

Blogger Salt August 23, 2015 1:26 PM  

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Blogger Salt August 23, 2015 1:27 PM  

OT -

Make your own Hitler video

Blogger Harsh August 23, 2015 1:29 PM  

The saddest and most rabid puppies hate what the don't understand, create what nobody wants, and works to destroy that which is virtuous. The failed puppy Hugo campaign has been perfect evidence of this truth.

Bahahahaha! Failed? This is why we will win. You people don't understand strategy, you pale, mealy-mouthed, neckbearded, basement dweller. The fun is only beginning. You parasites will be driven from SF.

Blogger JACIII August 23, 2015 1:37 PM  

@50 Stingray - SJWs equate acceptance with understanding. Which is probably why they can't understand us at all.

Were they to consider we do understand them they would have to digest the fact we are thoroughly disgusted by them. That such a varied and libertarian group despises them to their very marrow would trigger their rabbit fear response that they may be somehow "outside" now or in the future by some twist of fate. The smarter rabbits will shortly begin attempting to hedge their bets. This is to no avail. The internet never forgets.

Nuke and pave.

Blogger automatthew August 23, 2015 1:43 PM  

"SJW" is Tad.

Blogger Jew613 August 23, 2015 1:47 PM  

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Blogger automatthew August 23, 2015 1:54 PM  

Tad. Stop commenting. It doesn't matter what name you pick.

Anonymous DE August 23, 2015 1:55 PM  

So we have a block of about 3000 votes at 40 bucks a pop, that's $120,000 spent to kick puppies. That's vastly more than most years. Since SJWs always lie and always project, we can be relatively sure that a percentage of that was gamed. Given my experiences at Worldcon this year, this is not a group of people rolling in cash. How long can they afford to keep this up?

We are a legitimately grassroots group. 40 bucks each across thousands of people is no problem for most of us. It will be interesting to see how they manage to keep those numbers up in future years.

Also... where is all this money going? Again looking at Worldcon this year, they did everything as cheaply as they possibly could, to embarrassing extents. What does the Worldcon cash get spent on?

Anonymous taqiyyologist August 23, 2015 1:57 PM  

It is heartening to see how many previously "not in" folks are chiming in with "I'm in".

I'm a Rabid Puppy, it seems. And this year, I'm in.

Anonymous Stingray August 23, 2015 1:58 PM  

@52

Were they to consider we do understand them they would have to digest the fact we are thoroughly disgusted by them.

They would also have to accept that we are not the mouth breather they think we are. This is inconceivable.

would trigger their rabbit fear response that they may be somehow "outside" now or in the future by some twist of fate. The smarter rabbits will shortly begin attempting to hedge their bets.

I am waiting for this and am curious about it. Will those that prostate themselves be admitted? I know those who continue the lies will be minion food but there will be those who will have to submit themselves to whomever is holds power. It is in their nature. Will they be accepted?

Blogger Jordan179 August 23, 2015 2:06 PM  

... what leaped out immediately was the fact that the Puppy vote tipped the balance in Best Novel, giving it to Cixin Liu's very good hard SF novel instead of Katherine Addison's SJW fantasy angst-fest.

I thought that myself -- that Three-Body Problem was in many ways classic science fiction, and that the fact that it was the only major text category to see a clear winner is not a good omen for "progressive" science fiction.

Blogger David-2 August 23, 2015 2:10 PM  

It is important to remember that the Hugo awards are only one way to fight SJWs in SciFi. Another way is to promote true science fiction works in ways that get around the SJWs lock on the major media.

I no longer browse bookstores - it was once my favorite thing to do and I could spend hours in one! - for new sci fi to read. Instead, I quietly peruse a large number of blogs where I know SJW thought is abhorred. Between the blog posts themselves, and the many comments, I occasionally find recommendations of sci fi (or other) works worth reading. Then: Amazon is my friend. If it is a new independently published work then it's invariably available on Kindle from them, if it is a pre-1980 work I've never heard of then I can find it from one of their many many book sellers.

We need to spend time and energy developing these other ways of finding and promoting good science fiction that we want to read. VD has, of course, turned it up to 11 by his work at Castalia. But we can do better overall.

I spend my $40 on a sasquan supporting membership this year and enjoyed the fun. And I'll help burn the Hugos next year too, for even more entertainment. But there's more to the fight than flattening the Hugos.

Blogger The Observer August 23, 2015 2:12 PM  

@58

No. Cast them out into the darkness where there will be wiling and gnashing of teeth. The moment they gain a foothold anywhere, they start the corruption process. If they always lie, then lying about being reformed is easy.

Anonymous Stingray August 23, 2015 2:22 PM  

If they always lie, then lying about being reformed is easy.

Yes, but I'm talking about those whose only concern is being in with those who they perceive as powerful. Presumably, they would lie (to themselves and everyone else) and spin to support their new leaders.

Yes, it is still disgusting behavior. So I'm curious about it. I think those here wouldn't tolerate it, but the moderates, whom will also shift, will accept them, I believe.

Blogger Jordan179 August 23, 2015 2:24 PM  

The SJW's in fandom are creating a lot of hate for themselves by their conduct right now. What happens to them when the Tor Clique breaks, possibly because the owners of the house decide to stop strangling their own sales and fire them from their jobs?

Who will publish them? They can and ultimately many will self-publish, but then they'll have to compete for actual markets based on quality, rather than suck up to their masters. And they've been spending the last decade deriding self-publishing as an option.

Anonymous kfg August 23, 2015 2:53 PM  

" If they always lie, then lying about being reformed is easy."

I'm not so sure that just because you can't trust the idiots means that they can't be useful.

Blogger SciVo August 23, 2015 3:12 PM  

Proposed theme song for 2016: Burn It Down by AWOLNATION

You should really watch the video. It has ninjas!

Blogger SciVo August 23, 2015 3:32 PM  

Salt @34: "The Wired article name drops #gamergate as rapists in their Hugos Award article."

Ha. That kind of nonsense happens so much there's a term for it: "gamedropping."

Make a serious allegation about #GamerGate, fail to provide any evidence, imply some kind of connection with an unrelated group simply by mentioning it in the same breath, and viola! Guilt by association, without even proving the allegation.

I could almost admire the slickness of that technique if it weren't so sleazy.

Anonymous Forrest Bishop VFM #0167 August 23, 2015 3:34 PM  

First of all, congratulations to The Supreme Dark Lord on his recent and manifold victories.


@56. DE August 23, 2015 1:55 PM

Also... where is all this money going? Again looking at Worldcon this year, they did everything as cheaply as they possibly could, to embarrassing extents. What does the Worldcon cash get spent on?

Say, that's a good question. Maybe we need to audit the Worldcon books.

Blogger SciVo August 23, 2015 3:58 PM  

Stingray @58: "Will those that prostate themselves be admitted?"

No, I don't think "I stuck something in my butt" is good enough. They probably do it anyway just for fun.

Anonymous Stingray August 23, 2015 4:17 PM  

SciVo,

Oops.

Though, it works better that way anyway.

Anonymous Forrest Bishop VFM #0167 August 23, 2015 4:24 PM  

@57. taqiyyologist

It is heartening to see how many previously "not in" folks are chiming in with "I'm in".

I'm a Rabid Puppy, it seems. And this year, I'm in.


Quite a few others like you it appears.

How many previously-neutral parties have joined the SJWs as a result of the 2015 Hugos?
How many rabid SJWs revised their views as a result of the Hugos?

Anonymous Allamagoosa VFM #0187 August 23, 2015 4:27 PM  

Due to a lack of funds I had to spend this year sneaking about doing VFM work, but next year I have every intention of assisting in the burning down of the Hugos.

Anonymous Blume August 23, 2015 4:31 PM  

The fact No Award beat out Skin Game is just ridiculous. Burn it down next year and every year until the heat death of the Sun. Fuck World Con.

Anonymous Shut up rabbit August 23, 2015 4:55 PM  

@68. SciVo
Anatomically speaking, most of them will need someone else to do that for them. I wonder how much of their polyamorous spawnings are just about getting hands to air various parts of their bodies to slow the build up of abscesses and other diseases of the slovenly in those ample parts they can't reach.

Anonymous kfg August 23, 2015 5:03 PM  

@73: Great. Now I have to blow a couple of hours at MindBleach!

Blogger Daveon August 23, 2015 5:36 PM  

It's a typically older selecting group who can one year afford to go to London, another Spokane and then later to Finland.

Generally if you can afford $1000+ for a weekend away, as a hard core of about 2,000 actually do year in year out, they can find $40.

I had a delicious prime rib last night in the consuite which I have to thank you guys for. Cheers. I'll look forward to the BBQ you're going to be paying for in Kansas.

Blogger James Dixon August 23, 2015 6:22 PM  

> I'll be holding a 2016 strategy session at the Closed Brainstorm Session later this week.

I assume the VFM's will receive their orders in due course. :)

I honestly didn't have time to take part this year, so I delegated that to Meredith. Next year I'll be taking part on my own, one way or another. If I do have a job and can take time off, I'll be in Kansas City.

Blogger Anthony August 23, 2015 6:23 PM  

I liked Goblin Emperor better than Wakulla Springs, but like pancakeloach @42 said, it's not sci-fi or fantasy. It's a court politics novel with a slight brass-plating of steampunk and a coat of goblin and elf colored paint. Make the goblins and elves two different human ethnicities and nothing changes.

I'm a little surprised that Goblin Emperor beat Ancillary Sword - AS is at least actual science fiction. Though maybe people liked GE because it didn't preach politics at them?

OpenID pancakeloach August 23, 2015 7:45 PM  

@77 "It's a court politics novel"

Perhaps you can enlighten me on this perspective, because if this is a good example of court intrigue novel-writing I will praise the Twilight novels as great vampire literature. I wouldn't have found the book nearly as boring if Addison had managed to convince me that Maia was ever actually in danger, preferably by actually writing scenes of the intrigue as it was happening out of the Emperor's sight. As it is, I believe the appropriate description of The Goblin Emperor is not "court intrigue" but rather "Perfect Princeling Marty Stu's Bildungsroman."

I agree completely with the "nothing changes" bit, of course. ;) I suspect that the reason it performed better than AS is that Leckie got her pat-on-the-head you're-such-a-good-girl Hugo last year, so that when she produced a far better product this year (with a plot revolving around in-group corruption and abuse of power, ahahaha) nobody was all that interested. Pronouns were so last season, after all.

Blogger Groot August 23, 2015 7:51 PM  

@65. SciVo:
"Proposed theme song"

Groots likes. It had a curiously Larry Correia feel to it.

OpenID corvinus333 August 23, 2015 8:14 PM  

Based on Chaos Horizon's numbers, it appears there are 2500 SJWs, up from 1,100 last year, plus 2,400 WorldCon voters who are naturally biased against the Puppies, mostly on the basis of our slates, but are not intrinsically opposed to us on ideological grounds.

My own quick-n-dirty glance at the final results suggests more like 3,200 SJWs, although I suppose if we say that 800 WorldCon regulars, about one-third of the total, are essentially SJW in their voting habits, that would give the same result.

Also, 3BP would definitely have been No Awarded if it had been written by a Westerner.

Anonymous Koanic August 23, 2015 10:12 PM  

It's like Hitler feinted the invasion of Russia and Stalin burned Stalingrad.

The dark flames of Our Master scorch the horizon. The wails, the tears! Like the lies of the Pharisees, their omissions are delicious.

Blogger SciVo August 23, 2015 10:15 PM  

Groot @79: "It had a curiously Larry Correia feel to it."

Hmm. That may be the quick escalation to over-the-top drama, throwing in whatever is fun.

A mermaid! Cheerleaders! Ninjas! An astronaut! Nazis! Wait, is that not enough? Okay fine, hot chicks having a pillow fight at a dance party in a courtroom!

Blogger JCclimber August 23, 2015 10:24 PM  

どういたしまして!

Blogger JCclimber August 23, 2015 10:37 PM  

Vox, out of curiosity, how will you communicate strategy to those of us who will not be participating in the brainstorming?
I'm in on the Hugo 2016 push, but will not be participating in the live blogging sessions.

Anonymous zen0 the Ephemeral August 23, 2015 10:44 PM  

@84 Vox, out of curiosity, how will you communicate strategy to those of us who will not be participating in the brainstorming?

O ye of little faith.

It will come in due time.

Blogger Harsh August 23, 2015 11:32 PM  

It's like Hitler feinted the invasion of Russia and Stalin burned Stalingrad.

That's funny cuz I made the Stalingrad comparison in last night's Ilk chat on IRC. Someone else pointed out that Kursk comes next.

Blogger SirHamster (#201) August 24, 2015 2:07 AM  

Vox, out of curiosity, how will you communicate strategy to those of us who will not be participating in the brainstorming?

Minions don't need no stinkin' big picture. Point us in a direction and shoot.

Blogger Shimshon August 24, 2015 8:02 AM  

@84 The brainstorm session is to determine strategy.

@87 Yes, point, and I obey. Nonetheless, Vox will likely fill us in on it once decided upon. After all, he even told the enemy exactly what he planned to do from the beginning.

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