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Sunday, August 30, 2015

Europe starts getting serious

As I expected, Europe will be addressing its Third World invasion before the USA dares to do anything about its own:
Austria has just made a new law: Muslim imams will no longer be able to conduct their sermons in Arabic, but in German; all Korans will now have to be written completely in German, and Muslim groups will no longer be able to accept foreign money.

The updated “Law on Islam,” which was prepared by the coalition of the Social Democratic Party and the People’s Party, aims to regulate how Islam is managed inside the country, and includes provisions requiring imams to be able to speak German, standardizing the Quran in the German language, and banning Islamic organizations from receiving foreign funding.

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan strongly criticized Austria on Feb. 28 for approving a controversial bill that revises the status of Muslims in the European country.
There is the fair warning. Unlike Americans, Europeans have never, ever, bought into the "melting pot" bullshit. And they are not going to permit their countries to be overrun, because also unlike Americans, the nation is the country.

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108 Comments:

Blogger Floyd Looney August 30, 2015 1:51 PM  

The US needs to get serious too. Cut off the welfare and benefits and the jobs as a start.

Anonymous naah August 30, 2015 1:58 PM  

This cuck gets paid $150,000 a year to sell-out white people. why does the US Border Patrol pay him our money? pic.twitter.com/c89Kb33gLB

Anonymous 11B August 30, 2015 2:02 PM  

Hopefully that provision on making islam conduct its business in German does not make it easier to convert the locals who have lost their own religion and might be susceptible to something else.

Blogger ScuzzaMan August 30, 2015 2:06 PM  

The United States IS serious. At least, the government is serious. The problem is it is serious about destroying the middle class which is the only opposition it has.

Blogger MendoScot August 30, 2015 2:08 PM  

I always liked the Austrians, historical baggage notwithstanding.

Blogger Cecil Henry August 30, 2015 2:21 PM  

Only a start. Doesnt address the key issue.

That non-whites are here and allowed in to begin with.

Diversity just means White Genocide.

Racism just means I value my race, believe I have a right to exist and have my race continue.

The qualities and characteristics present is a racial group, including whites such as my own, is unique and valuable.

Those qualities cannot be replicated in just any racial group and I wish to keep them.

To deny me that is White Genocide. A crime.
Its unacceptable.

Blogger Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus August 30, 2015 2:27 PM  

Unlike Americans, Europeans have never, ever, bought into the "melting pot" bullshit.

Nor should they.

Incidentally, I had some cuckservative GOPer arguing with me this morning about how illegal immigrants are good for the economy, commit less crimes per capita than everyone else, and how the economy would just collapse if we deported all the illegals.

His authorities for these assertions were always unnamed "economists" and "studies" along with one link to an article in the Wall Street Journal.

Blogger Salt August 30, 2015 2:28 PM  

Unfortunately, when Europe begins deporting, I'm afraid the US will say, "Give us your vermin."

Blogger Matamoros August 30, 2015 2:29 PM  

unlike Americans, the nation is the country.

True. European nations are based upon European tribes. A nation is a homogenous state.

Blogger Jim August 30, 2015 2:29 PM  

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan strongly criticized Austria on Feb. 28 for approving a controversial bill that revises the status of Muslims in the European country.

Dear Turkey,

You lost in 1683.

Kindly STFU.

Anonymous Pat August 30, 2015 2:36 PM  

Europeans east of the Rhine never bought into the melting pot narrative, West of the Rhine "melting pot" has been the narrative for 40+ years.

I hestitate to call it Atlanticist since that would ignore the French government's efforts.

Blogger ScuzzaMan August 30, 2015 2:42 PM  

"Netherlands to withdraw food and shelter from failed asylum-seekers after just 'a few weeks' "

Today's Independent. Also;

"Theresa May says jobless migrants should be banned from entering the UK"

Blogger Stuart Paul August 30, 2015 2:44 PM  

This story seems to be from February 2015.

Blogger dc.sunsets August 30, 2015 2:46 PM  

Not to worry. NATO will step up and defend Europe.
/sarc off.

US intervention is making all of Europe safe from Cultural alien invasion just as FDR helped make Eastern Europe safe from international socialism and Western Europe safe from Fabian socialism.

(What's the old saw about "with friends like these,...)

Anonymous The other robot August 30, 2015 2:51 PM  

Sweden is reaping the rewards of its diversity.

Anonymous Satan's Hamster August 30, 2015 3:03 PM  

@15: When the pussified Swedes start telling 'migrants' to act like Swedes or get out, you'll really know Europe is getting serious.

Given the rise of nationalist parties in the polls there, it may not actually be that far away.

Blogger James Dixon August 30, 2015 3:07 PM  

>...all Korans will now have to be written completely in German...

The other articles I can find online indicate this may have been removed from the final version of the bill.

Anonymous Torg August 30, 2015 3:14 PM  

"Europeans have never, ever, bought into the "melting pot" bullshit"

They have, it just has failed in various places. Lot of people don't believe in multiculturalism any more. And well, the social experiment in the Scandinavian countries still going on.

Blogger pyrrhus August 30, 2015 3:35 PM  

They are being overrun by muslims and non muslims--they need to start sinking the boats, or laws will rapidly become irrelevant.

Blogger JAY WILL August 30, 2015 3:38 PM  

You are white, you have children, your not rich, there is only one school, its now 80% Muslim. Accept this wholeheartedly for your children if your not racist or you are a two-faced liar. Only a full non-racist can cope with the idea of his vulnerable young child facing minority status. Don't complain, when he's bullied for his hilarious need for suncream, suck it up like the cuck you are.

Fortunately, if you are a little richer you can tell everyone about your wonderful lack of racism, while your pale white creamy kids are sent to 99.8% white schools.

Troll the richer lefty, tell the under -privileged black and brown bodies to sit outside his house, to follow him to his business. Encourage the black and brown bodies to lay their tents on his grassy lawns, to eat from his plentiful garden. More immigrants lots more, just point them in the right direction, and make sure you inform the media, its rude not to let it be seen by the many. Get them to camp in their lives, permanently.

Anonymous The other robot August 30, 2015 3:46 PM  

More immigrants lots more, just point them in the right direction, and make sure you inform the media, its rude not to let it be seen by the many. Get them to camp in their lives, permanently.

This. Tell them that the rich have lots of stuff to loot and that they stole it from black people.

Blogger icr August 30, 2015 4:01 PM  

"Europeans east of the Rhine never bought into the melting pot narrative, West of the Rhine "melting pot" has been the narrative for 40+ years."

I recall Germany giving preference to ethnic German immigrants over any other groups in the 1980s. The PC cultmarx anti-nationalism really took hold only after the end of the Cold War.

Blogger Doc Rampage August 30, 2015 4:02 PM  

All you people who are so convinced "white=good" or that white people form a category with common interests are ignorant fools. Stalin was a white guy who murdered tens of millions of other white people because they were in his way. The North was full of white people who conquered the white people of the South when they wanted to secede. Napoleon was white. King George III was white. Almost all SJWs are white and so are almost all of their ignorant dupes. White people attack, enslave, murder, and rob from each other with enormous frequency.

Do black people have a much higher crime rate? Do most black people hate white people? Yes and yes. But this isn't just because they are black; it is because they were raised by single mothers in dangerous and violent neighborhoods and sent to dysfunctional schools where they were taught over and over that white people fear them and all of their problems are caused by white people. And that environment was deliberately and maliciously constructed for them by white Democrats (led by LBJ). White Democrats are also responsible for constructing a culture where whites boys grow up timid, afraid of standing out, and white girls grow up believing that they should be men, having a career and turning their children over to be raised by strangers.

Blacks today are violent and hateful for the same reason that whites are timid and fearful--because whites have deliberately constructed society to make them that way. You think the whites who would do such things are suddenly going to be on your side once all the non-whites are gone? If you do, then you are a fool.

Blacks and immigrants are no more than tools in this struggle. The real enemy that white Americans face today is other white people. As long as you are focusing on the tools rather than the real enemy, you are just another tool.

Blogger guest August 30, 2015 4:19 PM  

More proof that Europe is fascist to the very bone. The response to Islam is more free speech, not less. But Europe will always chose to repress free speech. They always have. Oppression of rights being the mode of operandi in European kings since the Renaissance. I'm so glad and proud my ancestors left that cesspool, a hundred years ago.

Germany just issued an order to Facebook that they had to limit free speech in order to do business in Germany.

Anonymous Shorty August 30, 2015 4:22 PM  

People yelling White Genocide remind me of Al Gore talking about Manbearpig.

Blogger kudzu bob August 30, 2015 4:24 PM  

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Anonymous BGS August 30, 2015 4:37 PM  

conduct its business in German does not make it easier to convert the local

I am pretty sure converting moslems don't get to hear the taqiyya lets you lie under oath & you can rape unattended white girls sermons.

Stalin was a "white" JEWISH Bolshevik guy who murdered tens of millions of other white people because they were in his way

But this isn't just because they are black; it is because they didn't get born in rice paddies which is why 1 out of 50 Asian males scores a perfect math SAT

Blogger chris August 30, 2015 4:39 PM  

@24. Thank you. I expected Godwin's law to arise: it was too tempting because Austrla.
What has happened is that the multicultural idea of a paneuropean state is dying. Some reasons are economic: Germany cannot subsidize Greece (and would have to subsidize Turkey, which has an even crappier economy) indefinately.

You cannot have a society with minimal rules without strong informal rules. I like hanging around the low countries and scandinavia, but I'm European by background and I understand and respect their way of doing things.

If you bring in immigrants who will not work, who will rape and enslave, who will steal and kill, you will get a reaction. Rotherham is a rason working class English now hate the Labour party: the Tories they always have despised.

And calling the loss of your agenda fascism reminds me of the Propaganda of Bagdad Bob. Or the Obamaites.

Finally, in the end, we are all tribal. It was the reason Lee fought for Virginia, after all.

Blogger Herb Nowell August 30, 2015 4:59 PM  

When Erdoğan changes the behavior of the Turkish government to the Greek Patriarch including, but not limited to, the return to the Church of the Hagia Sophia with no restrictions on its maintenance, use, or restoration to its pre-1453 configuration I might listen to him.

Until then he can sit down and shut the hell up about how Islam is treated in nominally Christian nations.

Blogger Josh August 30, 2015 5:14 PM  

Stalin was a "white" JEWISH Bolshevik guy who murdered tens of millions of other white people because they were in his way

Stalin was Georgian and a Greek Orthodox seminary student. He wasn't Jewish.

Blogger Josh August 30, 2015 5:15 PM  

People yelling White Genocide remind me of Al Gore talking about Manbearpig.

They're super serial

Anonymous Billy August 30, 2015 5:25 PM  

Maybe not Stalin, but their spiritual guide Karl Marx, most definably was.

Anonymous Jack Amok August 30, 2015 5:26 PM  

More proof that Europe is fascist to the very bone. The response to Islam is more free speech, not less.

Islam is a religion not a race. You may think mindlessly screaming "RACISSSSS" trumps logic, but things don't work that way around here.

Blogger Michael Maier August 30, 2015 5:36 PM  

Doc Rampage reminds me... I never got that better class of Troll for which I keep hoping.

Blogger Sjonnar August 30, 2015 5:41 PM  

@33. He said fascist, not racist. Reading is not hard.

OpenID corvinus333 August 30, 2015 5:45 PM  

Europeans east of the Rhine never bought into the melting pot narrative, West of the Rhine "melting pot" has been the narrative for 40+ years.

I hestitate to call it Atlanticist since that would ignore the French government's efforts.


@11 Pat
Yeah, that's my impression: Britain and France, due to their being former colonial empires, as well as revolutionary universalist ideas similar to those in the U.S.

For example, the French government's banning of the collection of any statistics on race or ethnicity, which is something not even Britain or the U.S. have gone so far as doing. (The Belgians have that ban too, because they were under the French Revolutionary government, and only collect statistics on language.)

Unsurprisingly, France will probably be the first European country to go full mulatto; an overrated Brazil with nukes. Britain will be the second.

The rest of Europe should be able to survive, but Britain and France will need a complete revolution, or counter-revolution, as the case may be.

Blogger David-093 August 30, 2015 5:45 PM  

@Josh

"Stalin was Georgian and a Greek Orthodox seminary student. He wasn't Jewish."

Greek Orthodox you say...the Jews spoke Greek....and the New Testament was written in Greek...the New Testament is used by the Greek Orthodox Church...

...

WAKE UP SHEEPLE!

Blogger Josh August 30, 2015 5:47 PM  

Greek Orthodox you say...the Jews spoke Greek....and the New Testament was written in Greek...the New Testament is used by the Greek Orthodox Church...

...

WAKE UP SHEEPLE!


MIND. BLOWN.

Anonymous BGS August 30, 2015 5:52 PM  

75 injured in socialist supermarket stampede.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/venezuela/11832443/Woman-80-trampled-to-death-in-Venezuelan-supermarket-stampede.html

Anonymous Senghendrake August 30, 2015 6:06 PM  

"Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan strongly criticized Austria on Feb. 28 for approving a controversial bill that revises the status of Muslims in the European country."

What a gigantic hypocrite. Mind handing back Hagia Sophia? Oh, and what about those Christian Armenians/Greeks/Assyrians who, uh, just accidentally died for no reason back in the day?

Blogger Harsh August 30, 2015 7:07 PM  

More proof that Europe is fascist to the very bone. The response to Islam is more free speech, not less.

That's some pretty lame trollin', bro.

Blogger Chris Mallory August 30, 2015 7:20 PM  

"Unsurprisingly, France will probably be the first European country to go full mulatto;"

Portugal has them beat. Though I am of the opinion that the wogs begin at Calais.

Blogger RC August 30, 2015 7:30 PM  

We must stop immigration because it greatly contributes to global warming. According to the World Bank, per capita energy use in the U.S. is over 4x what it is in Mexico. If you look at Guatemala, it's even more stark at 10x. Except for Icelanders, each and every single person that immigrates to the U.S increases CO2 in the atmosphere, further contributing to the destruction of the world through Global Warming. There is no time left to reason or investigate. Every day adds to our peril. The only way to save the world is to deport all immigrants to Eritrea immediately as they use only 2% of the energy of the average person in America. Save the world! Deport!

Anonymous zen0 the Ephemeral August 30, 2015 7:35 PM  

@23 Doc Rampage

All you people who are so convinced "white=good".....

Waddaya mean, "You People"?

Anonymous PA August 30, 2015 7:39 PM  

"I always liked the Austrians, historical baggage notwithstanding."

Not a fan of Mozart?

Blogger Tom Kratman August 30, 2015 7:41 PM  

To some extent the English and French bought into it and, to be fair, in olden days, with more culturally compatible and intensely Christian immigrants, it worked reasonably well for them. Also, note that Europe has an advantage we lack; the idea of separation of church and state is not something they're especially in tune with. They've pretty much always had one controlling the other (usually state controlling church). This gives a considerable advantage when you have some off religion that may be dangerous, though it may not be such a good thing for the core religion of your civilization.

Anonymous Jack Amok August 30, 2015 7:46 PM  

He said fascist, not racist. Reading is not hard.

Do you know what fascism is, boy?

Blogger chris August 30, 2015 8:19 PM  

Kratman is correct: Christian immigrants can integrate, particularly is they worship with the natives.

State Churches work if you have a Christian ruling class. The first thing antichristian rulers subvert is the church, which is why you need a theology of resistance to rulers.

Which is something the church knew last century, and also why the elite deliberately encouraged Muslim immigrants, the USA included.

Blogger chris August 30, 2015 8:19 PM  

Kratman is correct: Christian immigrants can integrate, particularly is they worship with the natives.

State Churches work if you have a Christian ruling class. The first thing antichristian rulers subvert is the church, which is why you need a theology of resistance to rulers.

Which is something the church knew last century, and also why the elite deliberately encouraged Muslim immigrants, the USA included.

Blogger Cecil Henry August 30, 2015 8:26 PM  

@Chris.

Christian immigrants can integrate??? This is insane talk. Demonstrably false.

Blacks are Christian, Mexicans are Christian. Many non-white groups are Christian. RAce matters. There is far more to this than being Christian.

That is evident RIGHT NOW. NO need to wonder.

Anonymous Fp August 30, 2015 8:36 PM  

"Blacks and immigrants are no more than tools in this struggle. The real enemy that white Americans face today is other white people. As long as you are focusing on the tools rather than the real enemy, you are just another tool."

Not to detract from the destructiveness of the "tools" but you're correct. White leftists are the root of the problem and unless they are dealt with also the same problems will just "materialize" again. They create a culture for the nigger to run feral then sit back shielded from the effects like Scalzi.

Anonymous Fp August 30, 2015 8:40 PM  

"That is evident RIGHT NOW. NO need to wonder."

Correct, race trumps religion. It shouldn't, but it does and that's the reality of the situation.

Anonymous The other robot August 30, 2015 8:57 PM  

Waddaya mean, "You People"?

A very good illustration of the benefits of diversity.

Anonymous zen0 the Ephemeral August 30, 2015 9:10 PM  

@50 Cecil Henry

@Chris.

Christian immigrants can integrate??? This is insane talk. Demonstrably false.

Blacks are Christian, Mexicans are Christian. Many non-white groups are Christian. RAce matters. There is far more to this than being Christian.

That is evident RIGHT NOW. NO need to wonder.


You are so wrong. Race does not trump religion ever since the Gospel was authorized to be preached to Gentiles. Nationalism is not about race OR religion. It is about secular social and political convention. It is about the Nation. A Nation is a conglomerate of tribes with a common interest revolving around the welfare of the Nation. A Nation has particular problems and interests that are not global, but National.

This is where the Nazis screwed up, in the conceptual phase. Don't be a Nazi.
(or agent provacateur)

Blogger MendoScot August 30, 2015 9:17 PM  

Not a fan of Mozart?

Loved him, hated her. Now Salzburg … should have been salted.

Anonymous PA August 30, 2015 9:18 PM  

A nation is seeing a child and pre-rationally feeling protective of it above some other children. A religion is man's effort to connect with the transcendent (we believers call that God).

The two items above are not unconnected.

Blogger Were-Puppy August 30, 2015 9:25 PM  

@2 naah
This cuck gets paid $150,000 a year to sell-out white people. why does the US Border Patrol pay him our money? pic.twitter.com/c89Kb33gLB
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I would say unbelievable, but it's not.

Blogger Laguna Beach Fogey August 30, 2015 9:38 PM  

I always liked the Austrians, including the 'historical baggage.'

Anonymous Fp August 30, 2015 9:52 PM  

"Race does not trump religion ever since the Gospel was authorized to be preached to Gentiles."

"The two items above are not unconnected."

Then why do you see pastors trying to drum up money for far away places like Africa countries when there are people in their own congregation that need help?

Anonymous Fp August 30, 2015 9:54 PM  

"Don't be a Nazi."

There is a reason the most segregated hour is around noon on Sunday.

Anonymous PA August 30, 2015 9:55 PM  

- "I always liked the Austrians, including the 'historical baggage.'"

Same here. Screw all the people who don't get Falco's "Jeanne."

Anonymous zen0 the Ephemeral August 30, 2015 10:07 PM  

@59 Fp



Then why do you see pastors trying to drum up money for far away places like Africa countries when there are people in their own congregation that need help?

And you step up and say what?
What do you say?
Do you say, we got needy here. Look after your own family first. Think globally but act locally?
Or do you just come here and complain?

I do not know , of course, just asking.

Anonymous Wyrd August 30, 2015 10:17 PM  

President Picklefucker removes white man's name from Alaskan mountain:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2015/08/30/obama-rename-nations-tallest-mountain/71426656/

Anonymous Fp August 30, 2015 10:29 PM  

Race still trumps religion. Understand it or suffer the consequences of being a libtard.

Anonymous The other robot August 30, 2015 10:33 PM  

OT: Long exposure to low doses of RoundUp might be really bad.

Anonymous The other robot August 30, 2015 10:34 PM  

OK, here is the link: Transcriptome profile analysis reflects rat liver and kidney damage following chronic ultra-low dose Roundup exposure

Anonymous zen0 the Ephemeral August 30, 2015 11:03 PM  









@64 Fp
Race still trumps religion. Understand it or suffer the consequences of being a libtard.

That is all very interesting, but do you have any dialectical arguments to present?
No?

I am so surprised, I am almost verklempt.

Seriously.

Blogger Sjonnar August 30, 2015 11:06 PM  

@47 Oh dear, he called me "boy". I think that was a dominance challenge.

I do know what fascism is. Clearly, you do not, so let me help you: It's an extremely nationalistic totalitarian form of government. "Race" has nothing to do with it.

Anonymous Fp August 30, 2015 11:20 PM  

"I am so surprised, I am almost verklempt."

No surprise a Canadian/libtard (redundant) can't grok it. Guess some people just have to learn the hard way.

Anonymous George of the Jungle August 30, 2015 11:23 PM  

The white man's burden, a tale told in three parts:

- First the West tried colonialism. It worked fairly well in dragging at least some of the natives up from savagery, informed the rest that there was a better way to live, and built a veneer of civilization over what formerly was close to 100% barbarism. However, the natives got restless due to other outside influences like Marxism, and decided to stage a few wars of independence.

- Next the West tried massive foreign aid, NGO's, and sending dufuses over in the guise of aid workers. This approach was at best a way to waste tons of money, time and energy; at worst it was a miserable failure.

- Now the West is trying massive immigration. Hordes of unredeemable cultural chauvinists in the form of dumb unwashed masses are making life hell for everybody right in your back yard.

So examining this progression, the West has obviously gone from ok to bad to worst. The progressives insist this is progress, and any reality that detracts from the narrative is viciously put down. The time is ripe for a new book "None Dare Call it Invasion".

Help me out here... who was the African leader who recently criticized China and regretted the loss of Western colonialism? It appears Google has cleverly buried it somewhere unless you already know exactly who he is and what he said as search parameters.

Anonymous Siobhan August 30, 2015 11:30 PM  

Someone named Sata, it seems.

http://www.economist.com/node/21531021

It was the third link returned on my first query, so I don't think Google was trying to bury it.

Blogger overcaffeinated August 30, 2015 11:36 PM  

Hi Vox, just kind of throwing this out there (off-topic)...

You mention in your book the RCC being resilient to SJWs due to commitment to celibacy and long novitiates, etc., but were infiltrated during the second Vatican Council.

Just some further details for whoever might be interested on how that happened and how it has begun to be reversed.

The actual texts of V2 are fairly conservative; the intent was, I believe, to seek out an alliance with Jews and Protestants, rather than compromise the deposit of faith entrusted to the Church. The (perhaps naive) assumption was that the most serious threats to the Church no longer come from Protestants and Jews (who share many core beliefs) but from secularism and other religions (particularly Buddhism and Islam). Prior to the council, the Church had mainly been orientated toward addressing Protestantism and (secondarily) Judaism; but -- the thinking went -- these were no longer of much importance. (Hence the Protestantization of the liturgy, more on that below.)

If you actually read the texts of the Second Vatican Council, you will find a thoughtful consideration of the modern world and the Church's place in it. You will find certain admissions that non-Catholics should be granted legal religious freedom. (This is the sticking point of the Society of St. Pius X.) What you will not find, in the actual council texts, are: conducting the Mass wholly in the vernacular, 'ad populum' orientation of the priest during the Mass, or an endorsement of 'modern' or 'popular' styles of music or architecture.

Rather, in the actual text of the council, you will find that it is explicitly required that "the use of the Latin language is to be preserved in the Latin rites" (SACROSANCTUM CONCILIUM 36.1 http://www.vatican.va/archive/hist_councils/ii_vatican_council/documents/vat-ii_const_19631204_sacrosanctum-concilium_en.html ). And that "The Church acknowledges Gregorian chant as specially suited to the Roman liturgy: therefore, other things being equal, it should be given pride of place in liturgical services." (ibid, 116), and "In the Latin Church the pipe organ is to be held in high esteem" (ibid, 120). There are certain allowances made for "peoples who have their own musical traditions," such that "when missionaries are being given training in music, every effort should be made to see that they become competent in promoting the traditional music of these peoples." The last word though is "The texts intended to be sung must always be in conformity with Catholic doctrine; indeed they should be drawn chiefly from holy scripture and from liturgical sources." (ibid, 121). So for any reader in good faith, this is by no means a carte blance to do whatever you want with the Mass, but an acknowledgement that other non-European cultures might incorporate their own musical traditions into the great symphony of the Church.

Unfortunately, what actually happened was not that Asia and Africa tempered their musical traditions to sing the praises of the Lord. Instead, the (Germanic) West took that as an opening to replace Gregorian chant ("specially suited to the Roman liturgy") with socialist German 'folk' songs, and the organ ("the pipe organ is to be held in high esteem") with the guitar. As well as introducing an entirely vernacular Mass ("the use of the Latin language is to be preserved in the Latin rites"). This rebellion extended into art and architecture in a way I find too depressing to further enunciate. It was totalitarian, and only a very, very few hardcore Polish churches resisted.

So the point is that an inch was given (sure, let the Chinese have their traditional music) and a mile was taken (Latin totally eliminated, the Mass revised, Protestant German 'folk' songs de rigueur).

Blogger overcaffeinated August 30, 2015 11:37 PM  

My hope and entreaty to the Blessed Virgin is that the worst is past. John Paul II affirmed all of the core doctrines of the Church that the modern world takes issue with -- abortion, divorce, contraception, male-only priesthood, etc. Benedict XVI reinstated the traditional Latin Mass (http://w2.vatican.va/content/benedict-xvi/en/letters/2007/documents/hf_ben-xvi_let_20070707_lettera-vescovi.html), took measures against homosexuals in the priesthood, and oversaw the corrected translation of the English Mass. Francis has put in place the solid Card. Sarah in liturgical matters (http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2015/06/exclusive-rorate-translation-cardinal.html).

Why did this happen at all? In his final address as pope, Benedict XVI distinguished between the "Council of the Fathers" and the "Council of the Media" : http://en.radiovaticana.va/storico/2013/02/14/pope_benedicts_last_great_master_class_vatican_ii%2C_as_i_saw_i/en1-665030

The "Council of the Media", i.e. the 'news' media, and their Protestantizing followers and enablers, is responsible for שִׁקּוּץ מְשׁמֵם -- the abomination of desolation (Daniel 9:27). They have intentionally corrupted the prescribed Latin invocations (necessary for salvation) and spiritual formation of the faithful by introducing inaccurate 'translations' of the prescribed text and replacing parts of the Mass with Protestant 'songs.'

As I said, this has been far-going, with only a few committed Eastern European churches able to resist the Teutonic onslaught. With Benedict XVI's "Summorum Pontificum"; however, the tide has begun to turn, or, perhaps, the war now begins in earnest. The texts of the second Vatican Council remain unchanged -- as always, we shall see who obeys the vicar of Christ and who does not.

Anonymous George of the Jungle August 30, 2015 11:40 PM  

@71

Thanks, I guess my original search parameters were somewhat non-optimal.

Anonymous Stg58 / Animal Mother #225 August 30, 2015 11:45 PM  

Overcaffeinated,

Why are you praying to Mary instead of Jesus?

Anonymous George of the Jungle August 30, 2015 11:46 PM  

@54
You have mistakenly conflated race, nation, and religion, then as a last-ditch effort thrown in Nazis in a belated attempt to justify the entire mess. No wonder your little screed makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

OpenID eidolon1109 August 30, 2015 11:48 PM  

OT, did you fine Ilk see this travesty?

Obama renames Mt. McKinley

I'm getting pretty angry about the way that only white culture is considered invalid. The people who lived in Alaska before we had it called the mountain what they liked to call it, and then we took over and decided to call it what we wanted to call it. But of course, it's evil when white people do exactly the same thing that non-white people do.

I can't help but ask, if Obama hates white American culture so much, why doesn't he just leave? Go to your precious Kenya already if you love it so much. Of course he didn't, even though nothing was stopping him, like all the other liberal whiners.

Blogger Tom Kratman August 30, 2015 11:51 PM  

"Why are you praying to Mary instead of Jesus?"

Because "Honor thy father and thy mother" suggests she is the intermediary of intermediaries.

Blogger Cail Corishev August 31, 2015 12:03 AM  

The actual texts of V2 are fairly conservative

It's true that they can be read that way, if you work hard at it. But that's not how they were intended. If you want to know how a document should be interpreted, you ask the men who wrote it. If you want to know what parts of the Constitution mean, you read the Federalist Papers and other documents of the time. If you want to know what the intended meaning of Vatican II was, you ask the men who wrote the documents, and they told us clearly through words and actions over the succeeding years what they intended by them.

To take one example, since you mentioned the attempt to make nice with the Jews: Nostra Aetate was intended to do exactly what all the popes since then have done with it -- overturn 19 centuries of Catholic teaching on the matter. That wasn't an accident, and it wasn't a misinterpretation; it was the interpretation for which they wrote it.

They weren't naive, and they haven't been misunderstood. They were revolutionaries, determined to overturn Church teaching on several matters, especially those getting in the way of pushing the Church toward a universalist, one-world religion.

What that means for us now....I'll leave alone here.

Anonymous redsash August 31, 2015 12:09 AM  

Congress shall make no laws in respect to religion or prohibit the free exercise thereof. Since Islam is a cult and not a religion, the U.S. govt is as free to rid this nation of Islam as it would be to wipe out the cult of Moloch.

Can't remove 11 million illegal aliens. Remember hurricane Rita September 2005? 2.5 to 3.7 million Houstonians removed from this hurricane's path in 4 days.

Isn't it amazing how 145 million Russians covering 9 time zones thrives w/o a single Mexican or black?

Anonymous Senghendrake August 31, 2015 12:12 AM  

"Canadian/libtard (redundant)"

How's your deistic enlightenment political experiment going, conservakin?

There are reactionaries in Canada. Just thought I'd point that out.

Anonymous Jack Amok August 31, 2015 12:58 AM  

I do know what fascism is. Clearly, you do not, so let me help you: It's an extremely nationalistic totalitarian form of government. "Race" has nothing to do with it.

What was Rule #2 again?

"Race" has nothing to do with Nationalism, eh? Interesting world you live in boy.

Blogger ScuzzaMan August 31, 2015 1:35 AM  

Protestants vs Catholics again. I guess the old games are the best.

Re race and Christianity, the reason race has more influence over behaviour today is that the vast bulk of modern Christianity long ago succumbed to modern culture and no longer exists as an effective culture in its own right, which otherwise over-writes whatever culture the convert originates from.

Modern church culture is as likely to make a man worse as better.

Before we set about rescuing politics we need to rescue religion, which was always and remains, the primary determinant of civilisation.

Blogger ScuzzaMan August 31, 2015 1:44 AM  

"University to mark down students who say 'illegal immigrants' in class"

You all can guess which "nation" this is happening in ...

Anonymous The Kulak August 31, 2015 1:50 AM  

@ 29 "When Erdoğan changes the behavior of the Turkish government to the Greek Patriarch including, but not limited to, the return to the Church of the Hagia Sophia with no restrictions on its maintenance, use, or restoration to its pre-1453 configuration I might listen to him."

"Until then he can sit down and shut the hell up about how Islam is treated in nominally Christian nations."

They even have a song about this in Greece by modern composer (and friend of Vangelis, the guy who did the Bladerunner and 1492: Conquest of Paradise soundtracks) Stamatis Spanoudakis, from his 1998 modern classical album The Marble Emperor about the martyr Emperor Constantine Paleologos. It's a hit at concerts, as you can imagine:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rRv5vh2G98

You will come as a lightning
The country will have feast
The sea, the earth and the sky
In your light
I will wear white clothes
To touch you again
You light and, my heart, me
How much I love you


King of Kings Help the King
Mercy, mercy, God, of Heaven
Constantine Dragases Palaiologos
By the grace of God Emperor of Romans
In the Gate of Saint Romanus
Astride on his whitelegged mare
Four Betas, mercy, mercy, Marmaras
Bosphorus and Black Tuesday
Shiver, sun, groan, earth
The City has fallen, the City has fallen
The Queen of Cities, golden gate
And Porphyrogenitus in the Red Apple-tree
The city was the sabre, the city spear
The city was the key of the entire Roman Empire
Fall silent, Mother of God and don't cry much
Again with years and times will be Yours


In the Gate of Saint Romanus
You went away to another place
And an angel will bring you here
In right time
Inside the Hagia Sophia
We will find each other again on future liturgy
Greeks together

Anonymous Too-Soon-ami August 31, 2015 3:06 AM  

Animal Mother: Why are you praying to Mary instead of Jesus?

Tom Kratman: Because "Honor thy father and thy mother" suggests she is the intermediary of intermediaries.


So why not pray to the Father, like Jesus instructed?

Anonymous The Kulak August 31, 2015 3:43 AM  

@ 83 We are Orthodox. The Bishop of Rome declared schism from us, before it was the other way around. The Lutherans then broke away from the increasingly Frankish influenced Romans.

http://souloftheeast.org/2015/08/07/ivan-ilyin-on-orthodoxy/

"The whole basic composition of the Christian revelation was received by Russia from the Orthodox East in the form of Orthodoxy, in the Greek and Slavic languages. “The great spiritual and political revolution of our planet is Christianity. Within this sacred element the world disappeared and was renewed” (Pushkin). The Russian people experienced this sacred element of baptism and investiture into Christ the Son of God in Orthodoxy. It was for us what it was for the Western peoples before the division of the churches; it gave them that which they subsequently lost, and what we preserved; for this lost spirit they begin to turn to us now, shaken by the martyrdom of the Orthodox Church in Russia."

"Orthodoxy set at the foundation of the human being the life of the heart (feelings, love), and contemplation deriving from the heart (vision, imagination). Herein lies the deepest distinction from Catholicism, which brings faith from will to reason, and from Protestantism, bringing faith from reason to will. This distinction, defining the Russian soul, remains forever; no “Unia,” no “Eastern Rite,” and no Protestant missionary activity can remake the Orthodox soul. The entire Russian spirit and way were made Orthodox. Here is why when the Russian people create, they seek to see and express that which they love. This is the basic form of Russian national being and creativity. They were raised by Orthodoxy and girded by Slavdom and the nature of Russia."

Blogger chris August 31, 2015 3:44 AM  

@54. Yeah, and I raise you. Culture matters: I spent 20 years with Chinese In-laws and grew up in 40% Polynesian South Auckland, so yes.

But you can worship together, and when you do young people from good families marry young people from good families. Has been happening in NZ since 1840: mainly because the English/Pakehas are mutts and consider hybrid vigor good.

We even integrated the Dutch and Chinese.

But we don't have progressive shitheels trying to keep minorities in the Plantation so they can be vote farmed.

If you drop Christianity and "all in Christ" you get tribal division. Which is a disaster. And Hindos don't integrate, but don't annoy... Muslims neither integrate and annoy.

Yeah, tribes matter and nations will fight despite being part of Christendom, particulary on the Northern European Plain. But, and it is a big but... we need to unite against the others that will line us up against a wall and shoot us.

And if that means this White Prod is supporting a black Papist, so be it.

Anonymous George of the Jungle August 31, 2015 4:06 AM  

@54

I see now you are correct. I completely withdraw my response to your post.

VD or moderator, please delete m response @76.

Thank you.

Blogger Lovekraft August 31, 2015 5:55 AM  

since progressives have no qualms about relentlessly advancing their agenda (latest is the Bruce Jenner posturing), it seems only fitting that other forces should promote tactics that are designed to curtail it.

Anonymous redsash August 31, 2015 6:06 AM  

Kulak: I really like and admire the Russian people. I admire Putin for trying to give back to the Russian Orthodox Church that which was stolen from them and for reintroducing the Russians to the church of their grandfathers; however, you appear to place more importance on being orthodox than being Christian. Must I remind you that a failed orthodox priest in training brought Satan's wrath to my beloved people, and that the unbiblical governance of the Russian Orthodox Church allowed the Tsar to overstep his God ordained boundaries.

It is with great unease that I take exception with those that proclaim that Jesus is Lord but, my friend we only have the Holy Scriptures to guide us. The Word teaches through commandments, examples, and inference. The Ethiopian eunuch when he was baptized he became a Christian not orthodox. Note that both he and Philip went down into the water and that both came up out of the water. If all Philip had to do to baptize the eunuch was to pour water over the eunuch's head, how very stupid of them to go all the way into the water. Baptism is a Greek word meaning to immerse in water. When fabrics were dyed in various colors, Greek writings of that time would say the fabrics were baptized. NO, your baptismal pourings were simply evolved from lazy priests. Besides, they were first called Christians not orthodox at Antioch.

He who believes and is baptized shall be saved. One must believe that Jesus is the Son of God and arose bodily from the grave, one must confess the same, one must believe that in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit they are being baptized (immersed in water) so that their sins may be forgiven (Acts 2:38); otherwise you are only giving a baby another bath. If infant baptism was valid, don't you think the Bible would have given just one example.

The apostle Paul gave instructions that each church was to appoint their own elders. There are no elders 1st class or 2nd class, no hierarchy of elders, no capitol church city.

Devote more time to Bible study and less time painting domes gold, installing stained glass windows, and creating statues and icons. The only true ones preaching the Word of God did so from the gulags.

Anonymous Bz August 31, 2015 8:01 AM  

Letting them worship only in German is a step forward but it smacks of bargaining. I prefer still stronger means. Switzerland doesn't permit the building of minarets -- good but it should be no mosques. And that's still the wrong approach.


Anonymous Bz August 31, 2015 8:16 AM  

"There is no place in modern Europe for ethnically pure states. That's a 19th century idea and we are trying to transition into the 21st century, and we are going to do it with multi-ethnic states." (Wesley Clark)

Multiculturalism is an ideology dedicated to preventing integration by its very definition. The end goal is to turn nation states into mere Wesley Clarkish geographic areas with various tribes passing through. Well, why not make stodgy old European nation states into snazzy modern countries of many vibrant peoples, like Lebanon, Syria or perhaps Nigeria?

I can think of just one good thing about multiculturalism. In multicultural countries, there is no force holding the peoples together should there be troubles. For example, if muslim and african asylum seekers were expelled back to somewhere in their Umma, no need to feel any guilt. There will be a very clean separation, along with media tantrums signifying nothing, and afterwards they will lead basically the same lives, perhaps with a bit more personal effort. Well. Goodbye then.

Anonymous BGS August 31, 2015 10:44 AM  

OT, did you fine Ilk see this travesty?Obama renames Mt. McKinley

The challenge of climbing mount niggermore.

"University to mark down students who say 'illegal immigrants' in class"

That's not the worst part"Multiple professors at Washington State University have explicitly told students their grades will suffer if they use terms such as “illegal alien,” “male,” and “female,” or if they fail to “defer” to non-white students.
http://campusreform.org/?ID=6770

Blogger Were-Puppy August 31, 2015 10:52 AM  

Is this peculiar?

http://www.wsbradio.com/ap/ap/top-news/migrants-bike-into-norway-at-remote-arctic-border-/nnTk5/

Blogger Sjonnar August 31, 2015 1:52 PM  

@82 Are you challenging me to back up my assertion that race has nothing to do with nationalism? Gladly. Let's start with some definitions.

Nation: "a large area of land that is controlled by its own government", also: "the people who live in a nation"
(these are all from Miriam-Webster, by the way. let me know if you feel that MW is somehow not a legit dictionary and i'll grab another)

Race: "a category of humankind that shares certain distinctive physical traits".

Nationalism: "a sense of national consciousness exalting one nation above all others and placing primary emphasis on promotion of its culture and interests as opposed to those of other nations or supranational groups"

So from these definitions, we can see that race is not synonymous with nation, and thus that a person can harbor nationalistic feelings regardless of race, merely by identifying as a meber of his nation more than a member of his race.

And stop calling me "boy". It's inaccurate.

Blogger Tom Kratman August 31, 2015 1:55 PM  

"So why not pray to the Father, like Jesus instructed?"

No reason you can't, but why not ask Mary to move your file to the front of the line?

Lemme tell ya a story, true story as it happens. Once upon a time, someone's sister-in-law's daughter was dying. She was a young kid, maybe 11, and the sister in law was one of this someone's favorite people in the whole world. The kid was an only child, too.

The doctors couldn't figure out what was wrong with her, either. Yeah, third world medicine except that this particular place had generally near or actually first world medical care. But not a clue what was killing the kid.

So this someone bundled the kids and grandkids into the car, dragged them to church, put them in a pew and said, "Pray for your cousin." Then he went to the statue of Mary and said - and this is exactly what he said - "You _know_ what this feels like. Edilze (that being the sister-in-law's name) is too good a person to have to suffer this. Please help."

As near as can be determined, the kid began to recover at that instant...at precisely that instant.

So, by all means do what you think right. I, too, will do what I think right. May it work out well for all of us.

Blogger Tom Kratman August 31, 2015 2:26 PM  

"That's not the worst part"Multiple professors at Washington State University have explicitly told students their grades will suffer if they use terms such as “illegal alien,” “male,” and “female,” or if they fail to “defer” to non-white students.
http://campusreform.org/?ID=6770"

I've said it before; we need a new capital crime on the books: Linguistic Matricide, that being the cold blooded, premeditated murder (or attempted murder) of one's mother tongue. I think we could let those profs off lightly, though - with crucifixion, say - if it's a first offense.

Anonymous Anonymous August 31, 2015 10:58 PM  

France never bought into melting pot.

They bought into Europeans migrant, and with a strong roman imperatum : in Rome do as Romans do.

Which is not surprising as it was seeing itself, and has for immemorial time, as the legitimate successor of Rome with a natural destiny to rule Europe, and prevail over the clanic organizations.

They never bought into melting pot until very recently. Even the left used to laugh at this obviously ill conceived notion, which was, even for them, bound to fail.

The USSR fall put a lot of wacky nutsy on the market searching for the next thing to invade and destroy.
When they figured out 100% of mahometans voted for them, they knew they had to go all in

Blogger Tom Kratman August 31, 2015 11:02 PM  

Really depends on what you're \calling a melting pot. _All_ ethnicities, cultures, and religions? No. But melting an Italian, Spanish, or Polish Catholic into a French Catholic is still melting.

Anonymous Anonymous August 31, 2015 11:34 PM  

That's hilarious . Of corse no one ask what kind of bullshit subject those impostors are teaching, drawing on the prestige of the university as hard science producer, and not as psychology turned cult

Anonymous Anonymous Something September 01, 2015 12:16 AM  

@Sjonnar If that's the only definition of "nation" your dictionary has, get a bigger one. (The OED is of course ideal, but if you can't easily get access to it, an unabridged Webster's is probably sufficient.) The older meaning is basically a synonym for "race", and is what is meant in older texts in phrases like "the nations of the world" or when older bibles translate ״אור לגויים״ as "a light unto the nations". "Nationalism" in the sense used around here refers to that definition of "nation". ("People" has a similar older definition, and you'll see "peoples of the world" used interchangeably with "nations of the world" in some texts.)

The sense you cite (which, to be fair, is the common modern meaning) is a contraction of "nation-state", which means "a political entity organized around a nation (race/people)" and was originally meant to contrast with other forms of state, like city-states and empires.

Anonymous Discard September 01, 2015 12:32 AM  

96. Sjonnar: A nation is the people. The country is the land. The state is the government. The Jews remained a nation for 1900 years, even while displaced from their own country.

European nationalism was a movement that held that nations should control the land they lived in. The land where Poles lived should be ruled by Poles, not Germans or Russians. The many separate sovereign states where Germans lived should be one big state, all the German nation and the lands they lived in under one government.

Anonymous Bz September 01, 2015 4:43 AM  

The OED 2ed devotes nearly three columns to 'nation', but first is I.1.a with

"An extensive aggregate of persons, so closely associated with each other by common descent, language or history, as to form a distinct race or people, usually organized as a separate political state and occupying a definitive territory."

Blogger Tom Kratman September 01, 2015 5:45 AM  

"The many separate sovereign states where Germans lived should be one big state, all the German nation and the lands they lived in under one government."

Maybe not. You might be surprised how much "German" culture can differ from Switzerland to Austria to Bavaria to the Pfalz to Hamburg to Brandenburg. It's not just a question of "Do you drink beer or wine or Apfelwoi?" either. There are some profound disagreements - to include over religion and politics - that are not necessarily reconcilable. It is not infrequently past disagreement all the way to the level of contempt and even hate. Hell, watch a Berliner and a Schwabian try to communicate sometime in what is theoretically the same language.

Germany sort of gets held together by the concept if, "Well, at least we're not bloody Frogs, Italians, or Slavs." I don't know that that's much of a bond in the absence of a threat from any of those.

They're not even necessarily all that close genetically.

Anonymous Discard September 02, 2015 6:33 PM  

150. Tom Kratman: You're right, but I was just making a short generalized statement about 19th Century European nationalism, directed at Sjonnar. I knew the historians would find fault. Still, except for the Swiss Germans and the Austrians, the 2nd Reich managed to incorporate Catholics and Lutherans, Alpines and Nordics, High German and Low German dialects, Prussians and Swabish. Bismarck may have told a few stretchers to get them all on board, but it still works.

Regarding inter-German hatred: I once, in Frankfort, said "Grease gutt" to a local. (Excuse the spelling) He responded, "Fucking Swabish".

Blogger Tom Kratman September 03, 2015 12:02 AM  

Yeah...they only like each other insofar as they maybdislike others more. That said, though, they tended to like us and vice versa. Mostly, anyway. The ones who didn't either didn't for ideological reasons (they were reds or Nazis) or because, "Du americanischer Schwein, du hast meine Schwester upgenocht!" (I make no warranty whatsoever that that is proper German, but for a joke...mostly a joke...it needn't be.) But I can recall the old farts (younger than I am now, though, most of 'em) lining the streets with their old field caps on, heiling us through the towns on our way to the "front" for Reforger 76. Yeah, by "heiling" I mean standing there at attention with their right arms outstretched, palms down, fingers extended and joined. You know? Sieg...heil? That kind of thing.

Blogger Tom Kratman September 03, 2015 12:03 AM  

Oh..you meant "Gruess Gott." That's wouldn't work that well around Hessen, no.

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