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Saturday, August 15, 2015

George Martin, Hugo commentator

Old Rape Rape prognosticates and explains why the Campbell should predict the course of the Hugo Awards evening:
If Wesley Chu takes the Campbell, as he should, I think we will be in for a fairly reasonable night in Spokane. There will be some winners from the slates, and some categories will go the No Award, but most of the rockets will actually go to deserving work. If Chu wins, I think the vast majority of the fans in the auditorium will be more happy than not by night's end.

If No Award wins, however... if No Award takes the Campbell, it will represent a huge and ominous victory for the "nuclear option," for the faction of fandom that wants to destroy the village in order to save it. A victory by No Award in this category will signify that the voters decided to throw the baby out with the bathwater, and will likely betoken a long ugly night ahead, with category after category going to No Award. Myself, I think this unlikely. I think the hardcore "vote No Award on everything" voters are a small (if noisy) minority. But I could be wrong. It could happen.

And what if one of the four Puppy finalists takes the tiara?

That would represent a victory for the Puppies, certainly. But even there, certain distinctions should be made. Rolf Nelson was a candidate of the Rabids, but not the Sads. A victory by Nelson would be a singular triumph for Teddy Beale and the most extreme elements of Puppydom... and could suggest even worse results ahead, up to and including VD actually winning one or both of the Editing Hugos for which he is nominated.

Kary English, on the other hand, represents a much more moderate side of Puppydom. Though initially put forward by both the Sad and Rabid slates, VD later dropped her and removed her from his suggested ballot entirely when English put up a couple of blog posts that distanced herself from the Puppy party line. English is also a Hugo nominee this year, for her story "Totalled." She's the strongest writer of the four Puppy finalists, and in any normal year would be Wesley Chu's toughest competition. This year? She could well finish last, since some trufans will not forgive her for being part of the slates to begin with, and the Rabids will not forgive her for breaking ranks. Myself, I think English deserves better. While I don't think she is as good as Chu at present, she is plainly a talented new writer, and not unworthy of a Campbell nod. I would prefer a Chu victory in this category... but I'd rather see English take the tiara than No Award.

Oh, and while we are crunching candidates here, Eric S. Raymond warrants a few words. A candidate of both the Sad and Rabid slates, Raymond was nominated as one of the field's best new writers on the basis of a single published story, the thinnest resume in the entire history of the Campbell Award. Maybe if that story was the greatest short ever published in our genre, that would be warranted... but it's not. Even Raymond himself expressed incredulity at his nomination. Given how little SF he has produced compared to Chu and the other finalists, one might think that Raymond would be the longest of long shots. Ah, but there's another factor. However much a neophyte he may be as a writer of science fiction, Eric S. Raymond is a well-known figure is the gaming world. Should Raymond win the Campbell, despite his shaky credentials as a writer of fiction, it would suggest strongly that large numbers of gamers had purchased supporting membership to vote for him. (Whether those gamers were Gamergaters is another question entirely, and one that cannot be proved. So far as I know, Raymond has not been a part of the Gamergate controversy).
Seems reasonable enough to me, although he left off the fact that I had ESR first on my recommended shortlist, not Nelson, which would even more strongly indicate that things were heading in a Puppy direction. And, of course, ESR is not famous in the game world, but in the general computer world, the open source community in particular.

My personal expectation is that Chu will take it, but that it will mean rather less than Martin is assuming. Of course, the Puppies outperformed in the nominations and the most logical take on the new voters is that they are, in fact, new voters from outside the Worldcon community, especially since so many voted after July 24th. But however it turns out, we'll be celebrating the historic exploit that was Puppies 2015.

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Anonymous Rolf August 15, 2015 1:25 PM  

Considering how far down I am even on your list, Vox, and being virtually off the radar entirely everywhere else, if I win it is a sure sign the cosmos has a deeply weird sense of humor... but one I find rather appealing.

As I've said before, if I make any place above No Award it is a smashing defeat for the SJWs. Actually, even giving Noah Ward a serious run for the money would be funny, as it would show the world just how weak the CHORFs and SMOFs really are. Any place above any other live body on the ballot is an unexpected honor, one I promise not to tease them too much about.

But even being nominated, no matter what the final totals, is worth the price of admission.

See you at Sasquan!

Blogger David-2 August 15, 2015 1:30 PM  

I didn't know Eric S Raymond was a well known figure in the gaming world. I know he's definitely well known in the _software development world_ (The Cathedral and The Bazaar among other things) and there's a high sci-fi readership in the software development world.

Blogger darkdoc August 15, 2015 1:39 PM  

some categories will go the No Award, but most of the rockets will actually go to deserving work

Deserving work = anything NOT recommended by the Puppies.

Teddy Beale and the most extreme elements of Puppydom,

Now it's "Teddy". Like you're the young blade being mentored by the wise, oldeer sword. Of course, there are no extremes in SJWdom, only Puppydom.

but I'd rather see English take the tiara than No Award. In his RapeRape fantasies, His Hairy Highness would much prefer to rape her, and strip the tiara from her RapedRaped body.

Blogger Elocutioner #0226 August 15, 2015 1:45 PM  

I tried to read it. I really did. But I saw it was written by GRRM and this is how it came through -

"If Wesley Chu rapes the Campbell, as he should, I think we will be in for a fairly rapey rape night in Rapane. There will be some rapers from the rape rapes, and some rapers will rape the No Award, but most of the rapes will actually rape the deserving rapers. If Chu rapes, I think the vast majority of the rapers in the rapetorium will be more happy raping by night's end."

Anonymous Jack Amok August 15, 2015 1:49 PM  

...the faction of fandom that wants to destroy the village in order to save it...

They still don't understand us. I don't want to destroy the village in order to save it. I want to destroy the village in order to destroy the toll bridge the villagers have set up.

Also in order to leave it's wretched inhabitants out in the cold. SJWs are a defective sort of human that is less civilized when comfortable.

Blogger Markku August 15, 2015 2:01 PM  

They still don't understand us.

Pretty sure he's talking about the No Awarders on the SJW side. Puppies didn't at any point announce No Award as their strategy. It was on the table of course, but it was not chosen as the course of action by Rabids nor Sads.

OpenID corvinus333 August 15, 2015 2:02 PM  

FWIW, I voted Chu 4th.

but I'd rather see English take the tiara than No Award.

After reading that one story about the disembodied brain, I get the impression that English is a fat chick.

Blogger Res Ipsa August 15, 2015 2:09 PM  

Vox,

I normally don't follow your Sci-fi posts, so maybe you've answered this. What's to keep the Hugo award voting honest? You've got a group of SJW's running an award for SJW's. No matter how many Puppies get involved, they can claim more people voted for their slate than yours. Unless you are there tallying votes in person, whose going to prove they didn't?

Anonymous Duke of URL VFM#391 August 15, 2015 2:14 PM  

Well, my voting-with-my-wallet continues - so far this month (and it's only half over!), I've had 16 treeware books (mostly hardcover) delivered to me (True, some of them were ordered in July) and appx 6 ebooks.
Not one of them from Tor.

Anonymous Jack Amok August 15, 2015 2:18 PM  

Pretty sure he's talking about the No Awarders on the SJW side

Okay, fine. So that's the difference between me and them - they want to destroy the village in order to save it and I want to destroy it in order to destroy it. I can live with that.

Anonymous Trimegistus August 15, 2015 2:28 PM  

I've posted my predictions in your comments already, but here's a recap. Note that these are my predictions for most likely winners, not the ones I think are most worthy. My guiding principles are that 1) no faction is as large and well-organized as its opponents believe, and 2) most fans are unfamiliar with all the nominees and very lazy, and so vote for the most recognizable name in the list.

BEST NOVEL: Probably Three-Body Problem.
BEST NOVELLA: Probably Flow, simply because it appeared in Analog.
BEST NOVELETTE: Either Lerner or Flynn's story will win, again because they're in Analog and both men have been writing for a long time.
BEST SHORT STORY: Probably A Single Samurai, because it's in a Baen anthology.
BEST RELATED WORK: Letters from Gardner, because people know who Gardner Dozois is and there's no math.
BEST GRAPHIC STORY: Saga.
BEST MOVIE: Interstellar. It's serious and science-y and doesn't have superhero germs.
BEST TV EPISODE: Doctor Who, duh.
BEST SHORT EDITOR: Mike Resnick, because most people don't know who the others are.
BEST LONG EDITOR: Either Toni Weisskopf or Jim Minz, because they work for well-known imprints.
BEST PRO ARTIST: Julie Dillon, because she is first on the list and nobody who isn't an artist or art director cares about this fucking award.
BEST SEMIPROZINE: I'll bet on Lightspeed.
BEST FANZINE: Everyone will vote for Black Gate because it's first on the list and nobody gives a fuck about fanzines, and since that's been withdrawn it'll bounce to the second one on the list so congratulations to Steven Diamond.
BEST FANCAST: First on the list wins. Adventures in SF Publishing.
BEST FAN WRITER: Probably Laura Mixon because her Bradley posts got a lot of exposure, or Cedar Sanderson because her name sounds kind of like Brandon Sanderson who's a big name.
BEST FAN ARTIST: Has anyone ever given a fuck about this category?
CAMPBELL AWARD: Likely Wesley Chu, because his books have sold pretty well. Or maybe the large contingent of IT Guys will recognize Eric's name and vote for him.

So I'm actually in agreement with GRRM: if Chu wins the Campbell, that suggests that apathy will win the day.

Anonymous jdgalt August 15, 2015 2:40 PM  

I predict that the WSFS business meeting will change the rules so that people who join after the deadline for Hugo nominations can't vote on the awards. And that it will all happen again next year regardless.

Anonymous G.R.R.M. August 15, 2015 2:44 PM  

@Trimegistus

How many rape scenes have you written? Your predictions are meaningless based on the thinnest resume in the entire history of writing rape scenes. Please keep your opinions to yourself.

Blogger Cataline Sergius August 15, 2015 2:46 PM  

Dear George R. R. Martin

Name one John W. Campell award winner in the last fifteen years, that would have been hired by John W. Campbell.

Anonymous G.R.R.M. August 15, 2015 3:01 PM  

Ah yes Cataline,

How is the epic proceeding? What was it again, oh, right "An epic heroic fantasy series and a bold tale of transthaumaturgicalspecies romance." If you're struggling with the rape scenes I'm here for professional advice.

Blogger James Dixon August 15, 2015 3:12 PM  

> And, of course, ESR is not famous in the game world, but in the general computer world, the open source community in particular.

The fact that he couldn't even get that right is rather telling.

Anonymous The Original Arrogant Steelers Fan August 15, 2015 3:26 PM  

Not much to say about the SJW thing more so because I have unfortunately had to work with a lot of them throughout the years and I just can't stomach talking about it. Other than the fact that they always lie the absolute worst thing about the SJW is that they think that the rules apply to everybody but them. And worse, they actually got ragingly upset when someone rubs their face in it. And by doing so over and over again for countless years this eventually leads the SJW to devolve him or herself into some form of (usually benevolent) insanity. One of my fellow anti-SJW coworkers summed it up best when he said "just feel sorry for them." Oddly enough I thought that was an unusually cruel way simply giving up on the mentally challenged. Well, at least that's what I thought.

Anonymous kfg August 15, 2015 3:31 PM  

" . . . the absolute worst thing about the SJW is that they think that the rules apply to everybody but them."

They are always petty tyrants.

Blogger buwaya August 15, 2015 3:31 PM  

I apologize in advance for the interjection of a marginally related matter -
I have been over at File 770 bringing up the matter of a negotiated peace. It does not seem to have gone over too well for the most part, but patience is of course the key.
Under the circumstances it seems to be the case that the balance of power (or risk vs return) seems to favor the puppies, so I was asking about what sort of concessions they would be willing to offer.
I apologize for neglecting to check with you about the sort of concessions, in a concrete sense, this faction would be willing to accept.
I suppose any such peace process, in a substantial sense, will have to wait until after the upcoming voting.
Still, it is not too early to begin.

Anonymous Cuca Culpa August 15, 2015 3:38 PM  

It would be great if he spoke up on OSCON, like Aurbach did. It seems he's on to Randi Harper.

http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=6745&cpage=1#comment-1523680

Anonymous ticticboom August 15, 2015 3:41 PM  

@buwaya:

Operam iustitiae bellatorum delenda est.

Anonymous kfg August 15, 2015 3:44 PM  

Caedite eos. Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius.

Anonymous Viidad August 15, 2015 3:54 PM  

"the sort of concessions, in a concrete sense, this faction would be willing to accept"

Total destruction. Fire, blood, hate, death.

Other than that, we don't care.

Anonymous Dave August 15, 2015 4:10 PM  

cuckbuwaya? Do you not see what you're proposing is exactly what a cuckservative would do?

Anonymous G.R.R.M. August 15, 2015 4:11 PM  

Recent news has inspired me to work on my next novel.

http://www.blacklistednews.com/School_Officials_Used_Young_Girl_as_%E2%80%9CBait%E2%80%9D_in_Rape_Sting%2C_She_Was_Raped_and_they_Covered_it_Up/45680/0/38/38/Y/M.html

"a 14-year-old Huntsville girl was approached by school officials who wanted to use her as bait in a “sting operation.” The plan was to use the young girl to catch a boy in the act who’d been accused of sexually harassing students. However, their asinine plan backfired, and this innocent young girl was anally raped by the older student."

Blogger VD August 15, 2015 4:16 PM  

I apologize for neglecting to check with you about the sort of concessions, in a concrete sense, this faction would be willing to accept.

There is no need to apologize. As it happens, there are a few things we would be willing to accept:

John Scalzi's skull
Patrick Nielsen Hayden's skull
The Toad of Tor's skull
Jim C. Hines's skull
Irene Gallo's skull
Charles Stross's skull
Phil Sandifer's skull
Mary Kowal's skull

Silvered and made into goblets, please. We may need four more, but I think eight place settings will suffice.

Blogger ScuzzaMan August 15, 2015 4:25 PM  

What - no silver platter?

Standards in Petty Tyrant-ing are seriously declining.

Blogger ScuzzaMan August 15, 2015 4:28 PM  

RapeRape's opening paragraphs read suspiciously like declaring victory before the fight even starts.

Whatever happens, other than a fiery death caught live on a thousand cameras, is a victory for the RapeRape community.

Sure, George. I believe you.

Blogger buwaya puti August 15, 2015 4:30 PM  

Well, its a start I suppose.

Blogger James Sullivan August 15, 2015 4:37 PM  

What about NK Jemisin's skull? One can always use a shot glass, right?

Blogger pdbuttons August 15, 2015 4:38 PM  

Teddy..I want to hug you with my nuclear arms

Blogger Cataline Sergius August 15, 2015 4:50 PM  

@ GRRM

How is the epic proceeding? What was it again, oh, right "An epic heroic fantasy series and a bold tale of transthaumaturgicalspecies romance." If you're struggling with the rape scenes I'm here for professional advice.

Oh...that.

Here ya go.

Have a few first. It's a lot funnier if you're drunk

Anonymous Red Comet August 15, 2015 5:09 PM  

I can't figure out why Martin even cares about the Hugos. He's the most successful fantasy author in the modern day not named J.K. Rowling with millions in sales and a hit TV show based on the same book series.

Most sci-fi/fantasy books are not massive sellers and the audience is niche and relatively small in size. He should be giving the Hugos as much thought as Nintendo gives some random game site's Game of the Year Award.

Anonymous Harsh August 15, 2015 5:18 PM  

Teddy?

RapeRape can't even come up with a biting nickname. Talentless hack.

Blogger bob k. mando August 15, 2015 5:20 PM  

3. darkdoc August 15, 2015 1:39 PM
Now it's "Teddy". Like you're the young blade being mentored by the wise, oldeer sword.



'oldqueer sword'?

anyways, "Teddy Beale" is a play on the phonetic similarity to "Teddy Bear". i've done that myself, years ago.



5. Jack Amok August 15, 2015 1:49 PM
They still don't understand us.



if he's being honest, that comment is about the CHORFs. they're the ones who have spent all their time talking about how they're going to No Award everything.

technically, Vox only recommended No Award a single time in a single category, Best Graphic Story. i don't think Sad Puppies recommended any No Awards at all, they certainly aren't in favor of general Noah Warding everything.

https://bradrtorgersen.wordpress.com/2015/04/20/nuking-the-hugos-from-orbit/

or, if RapeyRape is trying to refer to us, SJWs always what and what?



28. ScuzzaMan August 15, 2015 4:28 PM
Whatever happens, other than a fiery death caught live on a thousand cameras, is a victory for the RapeRape community.



i like to think of Sasquan on awards night like Tianjin:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYBShSiFZio

Anonymous G.R.R.M August 15, 2015 5:24 PM  

Well Cataline it appears you're not making much progress.

It is my considered professional advice that you open with a rape scene. I know, the last thing anybody would expect. But you have to be bold, and ignore your editor. Again just a suggestion it's your novel after all.

Anonymous Viidad August 15, 2015 5:46 PM  

"What about NK Jemisin's skull?"

For savage mixers.

Blogger ray August 15, 2015 6:10 PM  

"No Award wins, however... if No Award takes the Campbell, it will represent a huge and ominous victory for the "nuclear option," for the faction of fandom that wants to destroy the village in order to save it."


Sodom wasn't stomped to save it. It was stomped to punish the cowardly, groupy, thug-rapist homos who infested the place.

It was also a warning to surrounding, ah, villages about what happens when you play with fire, thinking you can do whatever you want to whomever you want.

Anonymous Bz August 15, 2015 6:10 PM  

I believe this stage is known as 'bargaining'.

Blogger Nate August 15, 2015 6:33 PM  

There is no way... no... way... The Mountain and Viper doesn't win.

Anonymous Viidad August 15, 2015 7:09 PM  

"I believe this stage is known as 'bargaining'."

There is a bit of Stockholm Syndrome coming into play, isn't there? Soon they'll love the beatings and rationalize them away.

Anonymous Steve Brown VFM#0273 August 15, 2015 7:35 PM  

Vox, we all look forward to your analysis after the votes are known.

Anonymous Cuca Culpa August 15, 2015 8:22 PM  

@35 The official breed of RP is a beaGle named Teddy.

Anonymous Culture War Draftee #151 August 15, 2015 8:26 PM  

Is the winner of the Campbell expected to have a platform? Something like "world peace" or "I will exterminate all you puny humans!" I thought it was just a popularity contest. And that you got to do another popularity contest a year later. But I guess Rape Rape sees a deeper, more dire significance. I know "we don't care" is a slogan, but you kind of have to be in sad need of life to care about this crap that intensely.

Anonymous Giuseppe August 15, 2015 8:41 PM  

Dread Ilk, pray for a Vox win. If he does I have a surprise for you all.

Anonymous Castle Anthrax August 15, 2015 8:59 PM  

@45 Guiseppe

A spanking!


Zoot: Welcome, gentle sir Knight. Welcome to the Castle Anthrax.
Sir Galahad: The Castle Anthrax?
Zoot: Yes, it's not a very good name, is it? Oh, but we are nice, and we will attend to your every, every need.
Zoot: Oh, I am afraid our life must seem very dull and quiet compared to yours. We are but eight-score young blonds and brunettes, all between 16 and 19 1/2, cut off in this castle with no one to protect us. Oooh, it is a lonely life: Bathing, dressing, undressing, making exciting underwear. We are just not used to handsome knights.
Dingo: You must spank her well, and after you are done with her, you may deal with her as you like, and then spank me.
Nuns: And me. And me too. And me.
Dingo: Yes. Yes, you must give us all a good spanking. And after the spanking, the oral sex.
Galahad: Well, I could stay a bit longer.
[Sir Lancelot crashes in, grabs Galahad and rushes out of the castle]
Lancelot: We were in the nick of time. You were in great peril.
Galahad: I don't think I was.
Lancelot: Yes, you were. You were in terrible peril.
Galahad: Look, let me go back in there and face the peril.
Lancelot: No, it's far too perilous.
Galahad: Look, it's my duty as a knight to sample as much peril as I can.
Lancelot: No, we've got to find the Holy Grail. Come on.
Galahad: Oh, let me have just a little bit of peril?
Lancelot: No. It's unhealthy.
Galahad: I bet you're gay.
Lancelot: No, I'm not.

Blogger Nate August 15, 2015 9:07 PM  

acutally...

The sad puppies have their manatee...

I'm thinking we should have Harold the Bullet Ant

Blogger luagha August 15, 2015 11:01 PM  

Just as a personal opinion, I found Chu's Many Deaths Of Tao to be a basic unreadable failure in that I could not believe that these lame-os were in fact a secret society of body inhabiting aliens secretly controlling the world. In secret.

Absolutely no tradecraft. Talking about secrets in public places where they could be overheard over and over - when they know the enemy bodystealing aliens have super hearing just like they do. Not to mention normal humans with rifle mikes who would have purpose to follow one of them around to eavesdrop on just because they are a congressional staffer.

Gunfight descriptions, bad. Martial arts fight descriptions, bad. Fight stakes, worse. .. like Stephenson's REAMDE where it's obvious that the villain has Villain Points that he's expending to avoid death until he runs out and dies suddenly. Except not as entertainingly done.

How it got up for an award I don't know. We live in a fallen world.

Blogger Floyd Looney August 15, 2015 11:24 PM  

@45 Better not be nude pix of you.

Anonymous Rolf August 15, 2015 11:38 PM  

@44 - if the winner of the Campbell is Noah Ward, then his platform will be a gibbet.

Hmmmm... Now that I mention it, it's not a bad one.

:-)

Blogger overcaffeinated August 15, 2015 11:51 PM  

@19

I came here as a gamer, Tolkien and Lovecraft fan, and conservative, not a scifi fan, so I don't really have any skin in this game. That said, "Murum aries attigit." Once you engage in a battle, accept that you either win or will be totally destroyed. "Playing for keeps." This may sound bellicose, but consider that it (just like "Si vis pacem, para bellum") is actually designed to limit conflict. The world would be a more peaceful place if the inferior respected and cooperated with the superior, rather than fighting them, since in the end the superior will win anyway. More on that here: http://www.defamationlawblog.com/2012/02/murum-aries-attigit-a-philosophy-for-litigation/

So anyway, no there is no peace until the SJW camp is utterly destroyed. Otherwise, they'll just regroup and attack again. Again, this is not bloodthirst but a rational evaluation of how to achieve peace in the long term.

@21

The work of just wars must be destroyed? Is this a rejection of Thomist just war theory, or is my high school Latin a bit rusty?

Anonymous zen0 August 16, 2015 12:01 AM  

@51 overcaffeinated

Maybe this will help you sort out your dilemmae:

10When you march up to attack a city, make its people an offer of peace. 11If they accept and open their gates, all the people in it shall be subject to forced labor and shall work for you. 12If they refuse to make peace and they engage you in battle, lay siege to that city. 13When the Lord your God delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all the men in it. 14As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves. And you may use the plunder the Lord your God gives you from your enemies. 15This is how you are to treat all the cities that are at a distance from you and do not belong to the nations nearby.

16However, in the cities of the nations the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes. 17Completely destroya them—the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites—as the Lord your God has commanded you. 18Otherwise, they will teach you to follow all the detestable things they do in worshiping their gods, and you will sin against the Lord your God.

Blogger overcaffeinated August 16, 2015 12:04 AM  

@52 I don't have any dilemmae, you just stated in Biblical terms what I said in Roman Imperial terms. I was just pointing out to anyone who might take issue with it that this kind of strategy aims for peace in the long term.

Anonymous Not-So-Merry zen0 August 16, 2015 12:05 AM  

Do Not Leave Alive Anything That Breathes.........DNLAATB

........... bitchez

Anonymous Not-So-Merry zen0 August 16, 2015 12:06 AM  

@53

So we are good?

Blogger overcaffeinated August 16, 2015 12:08 AM  

@55 It would appear so.

Blogger ScuzzaMan August 16, 2015 1:48 AM  

@54:

IBID : It Breathes, It Dies.

Anonymous malcolm August 16, 2015 2:42 AM  

I must be really slow. I just realized that the E Pluribus Hugo give disproportionate power to those who want to destroy the Hugos by voting No Award. Since they will only vote No Award in every category, that vote will be worth 5 times more than someone who votes all 5 slots.

Blogger SciVo August 16, 2015 3:41 AM  

Not exactly. I don't fully understand Australian rules -- haven't bothered to analyze them -- but I got the impression that the point was to give weight to down-ballot votes.

Of course a lot of votes for the same thing will have a large effect, but not five times.

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Anonymous malcolm August 16, 2015 5:12 AM  

@59 E Pluribus Hugo is the proposed change to the voting system that most of the Anti-Puppies like. http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/016262.html

Anonymous Mrs. Wif August 16, 2015 5:15 AM  

5950 ballots received, despite the membership total exceeding 10k.

Blogger dlw August 16, 2015 7:38 AM  

@28:
RapeRape's opening paragraphs read suspiciously like declaring victory before the fight even starts.
---
Standard "debate" tactic: establishing dominance.

Related: putting your opponent on the defensive: i.e. "You're being defensive", "You sound angry," "No need to be so upset," etc.

Its purpose isn't to make their point, but to sway others to their side. "I'm so reasonable, and you're so angry."

Blogger epobirs August 16, 2015 8:01 AM  

#2

Likewise, I've known of Eric Raymond as an open source promoter for about twenty years. I cannot recall a single mention of him in relation to game development or any other aspect. Which isn't to say he doesn't play games. It just isn't his basis for being well known. Is Rape-Rape struggling to create a GamerGate connection?

Blogger luagha August 16, 2015 8:20 AM  

Just as a personal opinion, I found Chu's Many Deaths Of Tao to be a basic unreadable failure in that I could not believe that these lame-os were in fact a secret society of body inhabiting aliens secretly controlling the world. In secret.

Absolutely no tradecraft. Talking about secrets in public places where they could be overheard over and over - when they know the enemy bodystealing aliens have super hearing just like they do. Not to mention normal humans with rifle mikes who would have purpose to follow one of them around to eavesdrop on just because they are a congressional staffer.

Gunfight descriptions, bad. Martial arts fight descriptions, bad. Fight stakes, worse. .. like Stephenson's REAMDE where it's obvious that the villain has Villain Points that he's expending to avoid death until he runs out and dies suddenly. Except not as entertainingly done.

How it got up for an award I don't know. We live in a fallen world.

Blogger Cail Corishev August 16, 2015 9:20 AM  

Is Rape-Rape struggling to create a GamerGate connection?

He's assuming one, because otherwise why would the Puppies have nominated him? It couldn't be because he wrote a good enough story to deserve an award, because he doesn't have enough credentials as a fiction writer.

Seriously, of all the dumb things these people have said, that might take the cake: a guy doesn't have enough of a bibliography to qualify for Best NEW Writer.

Anonymous Statists are so dull August 16, 2015 9:21 AM  

I think that they think that societies rules (written by and for the rulers) are inviolable but they have a super power which allows them to operate outside of them.
They don't seem to understand voluntarism

Anonymous Statists are so dull August 16, 2015 9:26 AM  

Like that unfunny man in that awful movie The Invention of Lying

Blogger Jack Hanson August 16, 2015 12:06 PM  

As someone else pointed out, Lives of Tao is basically unreadable nerd power fantasy by someone who did his research by watching Chuck and adding a sci-fi "twist".

As someone who interacted with Chu on several writer venues, he's basically Asian Scalzi so I'm not surprised Rape Rape is supporting him. Another snarky gamma crybaby who's versions of psychology degree/muh lawn trump cards are investment banker/muh Apple shares that somehow came up in a discussion about the writing business.

That a no talent hack like him, who has gotten ahead by kissing the right asses, is up for a Campbell nod is basically more evidence that the system is broken and RP is the chemo that SFF needed. Godspeed.

Anonymous BGS August 16, 2015 12:43 PM  

@45 Better not be nude pix of you.

Was Giuseppe the ponytailed hippie or the man savagely enjoying his imaginary watermelon?

5950 ballots received, despite the membership total exceeding 10k. They must have borrowed the Clinton's shredder.

Anonymous LurkingPuppy August 16, 2015 2:33 PM  

@21: Sociali iustitiae milites delendae sunt.

(Yes, I'm using “milites” as feminine.)


@65: ESR has contributed to Battle for Wesnoth (an open-source strategy game).

Blogger MidKnight (#138) August 16, 2015 3:15 PM  

I'm still trying to figure out where he thought Eric Raymond was somehow part of the gaming community. Even the most cursory look at Eric's website or Wikipedia page would tell you that his primary focuses are definitely elsewhere.

Blogger MidKnight (#138) August 16, 2015 3:22 PM  

I’ve read ESR’s blog for years and Wesnoth is the only thing that comes to mind

Blogger luagha August 16, 2015 11:25 PM  

I'll add that Lives of Tao looks like Scientology - The Novel. Heavy on the rip-off.

Blogger Anna Wailliam August 18, 2015 3:53 AM  

What made you think about such a topic. Its funny I am not the only one that feels that way about it. Keep it up! Neuroplex Pro actually enjoyed what you posted actually. it really isnt that simple to find even remotely good text to read (you know.. really READ and not just going through it like some uniterested and flesh eating zombie before moving on), so cheers mate for really not wasting any of my time! http://www.healthsupreviews.com/neuroplex-pro/

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