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Thursday, August 06, 2015

How could it not be fair?

If sex is merely a matter of self-expression, there is no reason to even distinguish between sports for "men" and for "women".
50-Year-Old Transgender Basketball Player Joins Jr. College Women’s Team…Is This Fair?

This is the story of Robert Ludwig, now Gabrielle Ludwig, a 50-year-old recent sex change operation recipient who is now playing for the women’s basketball team of Mission College in Santa Clara, Calif.

After her procedure this past summer, Ludwig petitioned the court for a new birth certificate that would designate her sex as “female.”  On Nov. 30, a judge awarded her the new birth certificate and in the eyes of the government, Robert Ludwig is now officially Gabrielle Ludwig.

That one piece of paper opened doors for Ludwig. However, there were concerns that her previous time as a college player might be a problem. Back in 1980, then-Robert Ludwig played for Nassau Community College and the bylaws of the Community College Athletic Association only permit a player to participate for two years. But the athletic association decided to reinstate Ludwig’s full eligibility, based on the fact that he was now legally a “she” and deserved the full two years of permitted playing time with her new gender.
Hey, if Caitlyn Jenner won the Men's Decathalon in the Olympics, clearly all bets are off. And therefore, we can stop fretting about wage gaps, disproportional representation, and sex-based affirmative action, and get rid of Title IX now.

That will be the correct response to any woman complaining about "sexism". Sex is just a social construct, so just call yourself male and start reaping the benefits.

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71 Comments:

Anonymous thebasementhomebrewer August 06, 2015 12:12 PM  

This is the same argument that needs to be made for the Rachel Dolezal case. If they are going to foist this insanity upon us then let's use their own tools against them. The "Trans" movement of every type has invalidated all of their racial/gender policies. It's time to exploit it.

Blogger Jehu August 06, 2015 12:15 PM  

I wonder what the maximum age that a male Olympic decathlete identifying as a woman could win the gold medal in the women's decathlon? Could Jenner still do it? My personal estimate is a delta of 2-3 sigmas between men and women, and 40+ years is probably of similar magnitude or more.

Anonymous Curious August 06, 2015 12:17 PM  

Yeah. And this one is having a bet both ways.

Anonymous Steve August 06, 2015 12:34 PM  

1,000 years from now there will be no guys and no girls, just wankers. Sounds great to me.

- Mark "Rent-boy" Renton

Anonymous Porky August 06, 2015 12:36 PM  

That took some balls.

Anonymous Northern Observer August 06, 2015 12:38 PM  

I'm waiting for the inevitable news story about a group of teen boys who successfully make it into the showers at a public pool or gym based on claiming to be 'gender fluid'.



Blogger Nate August 06, 2015 12:39 PM  

Gender is a social construct!

Some people are born the wrong Gender!


wait...

Blogger bob k. mando August 06, 2015 12:49 PM  

7. Nate August 06, 2015 12:39 PM
wait...



don't spend too much time thinking on that. i know from personal experience that it can cause brain cramps.

the insane are not to be reasoned with.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan August 06, 2015 12:50 PM  

The future of Title IX it's face being tea bagged forever. Suck on it Janet Reno

Anonymous Huckleberry August 06, 2015 12:51 PM  

just call yourself male and start reaping the benefits

And that'll last right up until the iceberg pierces the hull.

Anonymous BGS August 06, 2015 12:56 PM  

That basket ball story I linked before is a couple years old. I think the 50 might be STR8 and trying to get into the college girls showers. It costs money to store eggs I wonder who is paying.

And that'll last right up until the iceberg pierces the hull.

The captain of the Italian cruise ship Costa Concordia, who abandoned his ship before passengers when he ran it aground, already had a dress on before hand.

OpenID johnwilsonbach August 06, 2015 12:59 PM  

Surely that thundering sound I hear is the approaching falls.
The progressives paddle ever harder, gleefully so.
"Look how fast we're moving," they say. "We are making progress!"

Blogger luagha August 06, 2015 1:00 PM  

From Wikipedia on the Olympics:

"Newer rules permit transsexual athletes to compete in the Olympics after having completed sex reassignment surgery, being legally recognized as a member of the sex they wish to compete as, and having undergone two years of hormonal therapy (unless they transitioned before puberty).[10] These controversies continued with the 2008 Olympic games in Beijing.[11]"

Are you second tier, but willing to get your private parts cut off for the gold? I don't know how many are up for it, but I do know that plenty of people have faked disabilities to compete in the Special Olympics.

Anonymous Jerome August 06, 2015 1:01 PM  

Got a name for this generation of folks - just work with me here..."Genderation X".

Blogger IM2L844 August 06, 2015 1:13 PM  

"Out of this apparently innocent idea comes the disease that will certainly end our species (and, in my view, damn our souls) if it is not crushed; the fatal superstition that men can create values, that a community can choose its ‘ideology’ as men choose their clothes. ~ C. S. Lewis

OpenID ymarsakar August 06, 2015 1:16 PM  

Hold them to their own rules and crush them. They will have a far harder time making their own rules consistent than others would.

Anonymous BGS August 06, 2015 1:18 PM  

"Are you second tier, but willing to get your private parts cut off for the gold?"

If they are not willing to check what Serena Williams has in his pants, you could just get a doctors note saying you had the surgery and some silicone breast implants & you could get gold for the women's Olympic weightlifting. In 2008 the Olympic womens world record for weightlifting was 212 kg or 460 lbs China wouldn't use steroids to win would they?

Blogger Cail Corishev August 06, 2015 1:18 PM  

I wonder what the maximum age that a male Olympic decathlete identifying as a woman could win the gold medal in the women's decathlon?

Is there such a thing as a Senior Citizen Games, like the Senior PGA Tour? If so, it might be interesting to compare the records of men over 50 with female Olympians in their prime. Assuming they do the same events, which I don't actually know.

I used to think this would never be an issue, because there wouldn't be enough men willing to mutilate themselves for the sake of easier success. But that was back when people universally found trannies sickening, or at best amusing freaks. But now that they're lauded as courageous heroes, all bets are off. And since it appears you can just "identify" as female, get some fake knockers, load up on hormones, and not even have anything cut off....it could just be a matter of time until "women's" leagues are entirely filled with men.

You'd think women would object, and some are -- but not too many or too loudly, because women just looove them some trannies.

Anonymous Donn #0114 August 06, 2015 1:20 PM  

One of the top modeling agencies in Canada was founded by a French Canadian. However, when my mom knew her she was Indian. This was thirty forty years ago. So if an Indian or black chooses to 'pass' as white then it's okay but if a white chooses to pass as black there's something wrong?

Blogger Thomas Howard August 06, 2015 1:23 PM  

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Blogger Owen August 06, 2015 1:23 PM  

That took some balls.

There. What you have done has been noticed.

Sure, everyone's now accepting "sex" as a social construct.

What about age?

The "year" is an arbitrary designation, foisted on us from centuries ago when we were still eating bugs and chasing wildebeests across the Serengeti.

She's not "50," you agissss a@@holes!.

She's 18. Forever.

Or maybe 80.

It's her CHOICE.

Blogger Thomas Howard August 06, 2015 1:26 PM  

I look forward to Caitlyn Jenner finally receiving due credit as the World Record holder in the women's 400 m.

Anonymous zen0 August 06, 2015 1:29 PM  

Some people may be wondering: "Where is the giant ball of fire from Heaven?"

Maybe all this, everything you see and hear around the world day after day, maybe this IS the fire.

Blogger guest August 06, 2015 1:30 PM  

TERFs (Trans-exclusionary radical feminists) are fighting this, and getting nowhere. The thing is, they absolutely refuse to work with conservatives on this issue. Apparently, conservatives are more evil than the men robbing them of their women's spaces. Well good luck to them.

Anonymous Donn #0114 August 06, 2015 1:30 PM  

A fifty year old man on a women's college basketball team. What's not to like? Although I bet he's lost a step or two he'll still dominate in the paint. Should be hilarious to watch him swat balls to half court or 'Shaq' it up dunking over the girls.

With the opposing team (literally) crying to the refs every time he bumps them he might not be able to play to his potential being leashed by the refs. I feel so sorry for him *sniff*.

Anonymous BGS August 06, 2015 1:31 PM  

You'd think women would object, and some are -- but not too many or too loudly, because women just looove them some trannies.

They are afraid Zoey Tur will grab them and climb up the empire state building.
http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2015/07/zoey_tur_wanted_to_spank_ben_shapiro_because_hed_had_enough.html

I look forward to Caitlyn Jenner finally receiving due credit as the World Record holder in the women's 400 m.

It did manage to transition to being a woman driver when it killed a natural born woman, but Jenner will not be paying the family because Jenner's car had a defective tranny

Blogger Cail Corishev August 06, 2015 1:33 PM  

"Newer rules permit transsexual athletes to compete in the Olympics after having completed sex reassignment surgery,"

I wonder how long they'll maintain that requirement. The clear push is to rank "identification" over actual body parts; sports is the only holdout on that (and some churches). I don't know how much you have to get chopped off/sewed on to qualify as "sex reassignment surgery" -- and I probably don't want to know -- but the trend is toward demanding as little actual physical change as possible. (That's because most of these guys don't actually want to be women; they want to force the world to call them women and treat them as women because their aggressive narcissism is off the charts. Actually being turned into a woman, were such a thing possible, would spoil the fun.)

On the other hand, the people running these organizations have to know they're going to be a laughingstock if they start letting in every man with fake boobs. The women will be entirely driven out, and the whole thing will be a freak show. They can't really want that; but on the other hand, they're run by SJWs from top to bottom, so they may not be able to resist it. Should be entertaining either way.

Blogger Tiny Tim August 06, 2015 1:38 PM  

Women's record books should reflect Bruce Jenner's olympic and world times and distances when listing the women's records in decathalon and individual events.

If he is Caitlyn now he was Caitlyn then, just didn't fully realize and acknowledge it.

He was a victim of his own fears ignorance and should not be punished now by being kept out of the women's record books.

He must be allowed to fully come out of the shadows.

Blogger TontoBubbaGoldstein August 06, 2015 1:53 PM  


And that'll last right up until the iceberg pierces the hull.

Surely there will be time to rearrange the deck chairs?

Anonymous BGS August 06, 2015 1:53 PM  

I just looked at the #3 post of the Teen Tranny getting eggs frozen to later be a dad when I was going to post in on GP. I guess that’s one way for a black woman to make sure her kids have a man related to them in their life.

Blogger Quadko August 06, 2015 1:55 PM  

So, being on a hormone therapy regimen isn't doping, now? Yum, extra testosterone. Is hormone therapy to convert from beta to alpha acceptable for sports? Dating site question: are you alpha or cis-alpha?

And soon being cis-womaned will be an insurmountable obstacle to competing at the top level of women's sports? Will it somehow be sexist to hold separate cis-women sports, since it's not sexist to have women sports now?

Anonymous Earl August 06, 2015 1:55 PM  

Here is an example of TERFs working with a "right-wing anti gay group."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kelsie-brynn-jones/transexclusionary-radical-terf_b_5632332.html

Blogger Thomas Howard August 06, 2015 1:58 PM  

Jenner's Secretariat-like performance against a field of top male athletes and since untouched 47.52, may be the all-time greatest accomplishment in women's athletics.

Blogger ray August 06, 2015 1:59 PM  

"And therefore, we can stop fretting about wage gaps, disproportional representation, and sex-based affirmative action, and get rid of Title IX now."

Any nation truly committed to Equality, Egalitarianism, and the Liberation of Women long ago would have criminalized AA, Title Nine, VAWA, Cupcake's Law, Jennifer's Law, Susie's Law, and the thousands of other gender-supremacist 'laws' and policies that now constitute New Tranceformed Amerika. And of course and Equalist Nation would have made illegal distinguishing between male/female athletes and sports. In an Equal society, there can be no 'women's' athletics, as gender is whatever an individual decides. Thus every birth-stamped 'male' should compete on a Level Playing Field with every female. Female sports are overtly discriminatory and a daily refutation of the stated principles of the U.S.

Of course, a hypocritical and totalitarian and fem-fascist nation would ignore true Equality and actual Egalitarianism, and merely pick-and-choose whatever 'discriminations' advance the interests of females, their daughters, their wives, themselves, etc., and then bully and lie and bluff their way through their hypocrisy and predatory cowardice. While making the mass of males in 'their' nation effective second-class citizens.

Blogger dc.sunsets August 06, 2015 2:05 PM  

For some people the tide rushing out is a signal to sprint for higher ground; for others it's an invitation to study the tide pools left in the bay, and yet others move their entire lives onto the newly-available real estate.

Nature does a fine job of population control by inducing substantial numbers to volunteer for culling.

Blogger dc.sunsets August 06, 2015 2:08 PM  

I feel little pity for those who define their lives by the circus component of our bread-and-circuses social sickness, in light of how organized sports are hoisting on their own petard.

Blogger IM2L844 August 06, 2015 2:12 PM  

Liberalism is creating an untenable future for itself. The court's complicit enabling of this cultural shortsightedness is dumbfounding. And not just the lower courts; the SCOTUS is busily creating an untenable future for itself as well.

Blogger dc.sunsets August 06, 2015 2:15 PM  

@13 Are you second tier, but willing to get your private parts cut off for the gold?

Look at female body-builders. As far as I can see, they destroy themselves in the long term to "compete" in the short term. The number of men seeking record-books "immortality" via self-mutilation might be large indeed.

From obsession with tattoos (akin to donning a fashion that can't be changed---ever) to crushing credit-card indebtedness, a Higher Time Preference society than this might be difficult to imagine.

Anonymous BGS August 06, 2015 2:17 PM  

Jenners show is diving http://www.gaypatriot.net/2015/08/06/caitlyn-jenners-show-going-about-as-well-as-michael-sams-football-career/

Recent Fake hate crimes: http://www.gaypatriot.net/2015/08/05/yet-another-fake-hate-crime/
http://www.cwbchicago.com/2015/08/frank-elliott-former-boystown-bar-owner.html no jailtime for arson his own bar with gay slurs
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3186742/Shameless-lesbian-couple-burned-house-insurance-payout-called-hate-crime-blamed-neighbour.html Lesbians in Tennesse burn own house down. claimed neighbor made death threats.
http://foxct.com/2015/07/31/dash-cam-audio-released-after-professor-charged-with-falsely-claiming-racial-profiling-during-traffic-stop/
claimed cop made racist slurs & didn't say why she got ticket, video disproves.

Blogger borderwalker August 06, 2015 2:24 PM  

@24: "They are afraid Zoey Tur will grab them and climb up the Empire State Building."

Didn't John Lithgow play Zoey Tur in The World According to Garp?

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 August 06, 2015 2:41 PM  

I'm pretty sure China will make all their second-best athletes undergo sex changes in order to excel at women's events in the Olympics.

Blogger Tiny Tim August 06, 2015 2:58 PM  

This is why I have been pushing for the Olympic games to require full nudity of the competitors as was the rule in ancient Greece.

That way we can all be reassured everything is fair as we enjoy our favorite events.

"Whoa, whoa... that sure looks like a penis. Oh wait... never mind. Continue..."

Blogger Tiny Tim August 06, 2015 3:00 PM  

"I'm pretty sure China will make all their second-best athletes undergo sex changes in order to excel at women's events in the Olympics."

Yep, that is the risk of going this direction for those athletes in totalitarian countries:

"You... you cut off penis... here knife... you cut off penis now... you be champion... we beat US... you now woman..." Ouch.

Blogger Floyd Looney August 06, 2015 3:09 PM  

I would have never thought 50-year olds could play on Jr College teams.

Blogger Floyd Looney August 06, 2015 3:09 PM  

Somehow I do not see the whole world allowing men to compete with women, I just doubt it.

Blogger CM August 06, 2015 3:10 PM  

I can't believe I'd ever align myself with feminists on any issue, but this one I do.

The real war against women.

Blogger Badmojo August 06, 2015 3:17 PM  

My favorite part of this is how it will require review boards to establish what "woman" means.

Just declaring oneself a woman is all it appears to take to "become" a woman. Therefore, an athlete can declare himself a "she," reap the benefits, and then "switch back" by redeclaring themselves.

After a few complaints, they'll have to form a review board to create criteria for being a woman. According to their own standards, they can't use genetics or menstruation or presence/lack of particular equipment or various social norms. So they'll have to create a sliding scale which will then piss off everyone who claims to be a woman but then doesn't qualify. Cue the circular firing squad.

This will be wonderful.

Anonymous daddynichol #126 August 06, 2015 3:58 PM  

Fuck it. I'm hitting of the women's tees from now on.

Blogger Cail Corishev August 06, 2015 4:02 PM  

So, being on a hormone therapy regimen isn't doping, now?

Not if you're trying to be more womanly. It still is if you're a man trying to be more manly, and it still is if you're a woman trying to be more manly, unless maybe not if you actually declare that you are a man.

That hasn't been tested, because there aren't any women trying to compete with men; that would be stupid. If a woman juices, she's trying to get stronger to dominate the other women, not to maybe barely compete with men.

Anonymous Teenage Jail August 06, 2015 4:24 PM  

@2 Nah, the 65+ male world records for heptathlon events (women still don't do a decathlon) are 24.65 for 200m, 2:14.33 for 800m, 1.67m for high jump, etc., compared to 22.83/2:08.65/1.86m for the winner of the 2012 Olympic heptathlon. Plus those records were set by specialists, not multi-event athletes trying to strike a balance. A top 50-year-old man might be able to pull it off.

@37 At least following that link was worth it for the "Keeping Up With The Cardassians" picture. Now back to not caring about Caitlyn or any other Kardashians.

Anonymous RedJack #22 August 06, 2015 4:29 PM  

A local talk show host, pretty conservative, went nuts on this issue. He said "It is the end of women's sports as we now know it!"

The majority of his callers said "Good". Shocked the host. He kept asking if you would let your girl play against a genetic boy and use the same locker rooms. Many callers brought up how many girls tried out for football and wrestling, and demanded to use the same facilities as the boys.

Host them by they own picard. If it ends title IX, so be it. If it means that the girls in softball drop out because a team of guys in drag beats them, well you got what you asked for.

Blogger Bateful Higot August 06, 2015 4:35 PM  

@17

Reading your post gave me a vision of some dystopian future where degenerate freaks chased out all of the decent people through a mix of misdirection or(in the case of women's sports) brutal competition.

Guys... is the left promoting the delusions of the mentally ill as normal?

Anonymous NateM August 06, 2015 4:44 PM  

i'm hoping to hear that Vox regrows his hair and tries out of the Azzurre. In my deepest, trolliest of hearts

Blogger arsenic74.9 August 06, 2015 4:56 PM  

wasn't there a Russian swimmer, who by all outward appearances was a woman, won a bunch of medals, but was later found out to be a man with XY chromosomes? This was just a freak of nature, giving this person women's plumbing and hidden testicles. This may have happened in the 50s and they started doing testing after that

Anonymous Brother Thomas August 06, 2015 4:58 PM  

Does anyone here still have any doubt? This planet is a lunatic asylum.

Anonymous Clint #47/#73 August 06, 2015 5:20 PM  

I will believe in gender equality when they have some fat bastard starring in the Lingerie Football League.

Blogger Zach August 06, 2015 5:59 PM  

Cail,

The information you seek could be found from the USATF Master's rankings, which is very proud of the number of track statistics they've managed to post from age 50+ competitors.

peace,
Zach

Blogger Floyd Looney August 06, 2015 6:00 PM  

@50

Well, yes. Yes, they are.

Anonymous The One August 06, 2015 6:09 PM  

OT- Where I live Jesus gave PP a KO. Vox's tactics work.

http://www.lifenews.com/2015/08/05/new-hampshire-cancels-650000-in-planned-parenthood-funding-after-it-sells-aborted-babies/

Blogger ScuzzaMan August 06, 2015 6:41 PM  

Vox might derive wry amusement: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israeli-policewoman-protected-by-palestinians-as-settlers-throw-rocks-at-authorities-10440761.html

An armed Israeli policewoman being defended from Israeli settlers by two unarmed Palestinian men.


Anonymous BGS August 06, 2015 7:07 PM  

It costs $900 a month to rent a tent in someone's backyard in San Fran but illegals can get section 8
http://www.doctorhousingbubble.com/san-francisco-living-in-containers-norcal-tents-airbnb/

Finally some good financial news
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/oilprices/11768136/Saudi-Arabia-may-go-broke-before-the-US-oil-industry-buckles.html

An armed Israeli policewoman being defended from Israeli settlers by two unarmed Palestinian men

If you where a strong brave independent woman carrying a full auto gun than needed 2 unarmed men to white knight for you my love. Out of the 3 forces which is anti semantic?

Anonymous BGS August 06, 2015 8:31 PM  

CW's arrow too manly, now to get the newest hero gay technomagic negro. http://variety.com/2015/tv/news/arrow-mr-terrific-echo-kellum-season-4-1201543026/

I missed this news EEOC ruled gays cant be fired, I wonder if its groid level protection were you can download a porn virus that takes out the almost all of the computers in a hospital and still not get fired. http://www.towleroad.com/2015/07/eeoc-ruling/

Anonymous Whitey McWhite August 06, 2015 10:25 PM  

RedJack #22: "The majority of his callers said "Good". Shocked the host. He kept asking if you would let your girl play against a genetic boy and use the same locker rooms. Many callers brought up how many girls tried out for football and wrestling, and demanded to use the same facilities as the boys."

I'm glad to hear some people are waking up.

Anonymous The other robot August 06, 2015 11:03 PM  

Meanwhile The Battle for Wesnoth is looking for people to help out.

Anonymous Jim Milo August 07, 2015 2:58 AM  

@19 I wish I could just say I'm an Indian and get my band card.

You want to see how identity politics works? Check out the number of folks who suddenly became Metis when the benefits started flowing. A proud pur-laine Pequiste suddenly remembers Granny Squaw and wants a cheque and reparations (don't get me started on the residential school lottery...)

Anonymous Jeigh Di August 07, 2015 11:30 AM  

Bateful Higot -
"... gave me a vision of some dystopian future where degenerate freaks chased out all of the decent people through a mix of misdirection or(in the case of women's sports) brutal competition."


In A Wrinkle in Time the protagonists walk down a street where in the front yards there is either a little girl skipping rope or a little boy bouncing a ball. The jump ropes and balls hit the ground at exactly the same instant. This is what liberals are working toward, except instead of boys and girls they want androgynes playing with the same toy.

"Guys... is the left promoting the delusions of the mentally ill as normal?"

They always have.

Blogger automatthew August 07, 2015 11:34 AM  

@66: In A Wrinkle in Time the protagonists walk down a street where in the front yards there is either a little girl skipping rope or a little boy bouncing a ball. The jump ropes and balls hit the ground at exactly the same instant. This is what liberals are working toward, except instead of boys and girls they want androgynes playing with the same toy.

And those toys will be ball-gags and whips.

Anonymous Discard August 07, 2015 1:05 PM  

27 Cail Corishev: There is recent precedent for a college level competition making itself a complete
laughingstock, and proceeding as if the iceberg had not ripped the hull open. College debate is now dominated by rappers.

Anonymous Discard August 07, 2015 1:09 PM  

44 Floyd Looney: No age limits on playing in college, just time limits. You get four years, total.

Anonymous Discard August 07, 2015 1:18 PM  

Regarding old men vs young women athletes: About 40 years ago, a 50+ tennis player (Bobby Riggs?) beat a 20+ female champion (Chris Everette?). He was later beat by lesbian Billy Jean King and much was made of that, as if a young champion beating her father was proof of equality.

Blogger ray August 07, 2015 5:33 PM  

"Fuck it. I'm hitting of the women's tees from now on."


I look for Old People tees first, salvage some pride. If not I might use the Ladies Tees though they don't allow them to be called that anymore, because 'ladies' of course is misogynistic.... suggests that females should be feminine.

If I use the Men's Tees I often cant carry the hazards and/or keep up, and then people get impatient and hit into me. Then there is a real problem.



In New Improved Amerika, the courses also refuse to say Womens Tees because that implies that females require an advantage to keep up with males. Which obviously they do, but to mention the truth is to contribute to America's War on Women. So they are called Forward Tees as this satisfies their consumerist cowardice presented as enlightened egalitarianism.

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