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Sunday, August 23, 2015

Hugo 2015 results


We had 315 people celebrating the Rabid Puppy demolition of the 2015 Hugo Awards at the Brainstorm online party, but I have to confess, I am just a little disappointed. With the unwitting assistance of the SJWs, we managed to burn five categories, but after Chu won the Campbell, I was confident that we were going to get a historic seven. Sadly, Novelette and Graphic Novel both eluded us. It's disappointing, because apparently only five had been awarded in the entire history of the award, and I would have liked to have exceeded that this year.

I understand that Toni Weisskopf of Baen Books walked out of the ceremony after hearing all the jokes about this being the year of the asterisk. It is just as well, because the no-awarding of her, John C. Wright, and Jim Butcher is conclusive proof that the Hugo Awards are no longer fit for purpose and need to be burned down in their entirety. That was my original position, but this year we Rabids followed the Sad Puppies lead and pursued the "fair play" approach.

Now we know the result of that. This is a cultural war, not a literary sport. They are practicing a scorched earth strategy, and we can certainly assist them in that since we do not value their territory. I still think it was worth trying to take Berlin and end the war in one fell swoop, but even though our attempt break them once and for all failed, that only means that the victory was less than complete. What the Puppies accomplished was incredible when you look at the numbers involved and clearly indicates that the Rabid strategy, not the Sad one, is the only viable strategy. There will be no reconciliation.

Some SJWs are already trying to claim that they only rejected Toni Weisskopf because she was "part of a slate", but the fact that they had no problem voting for Guardians of the Galaxy, which was on the same slate, demonstrates very clearly that they have no such principle, it's all about the politics for them.

No doubt George Martin, John Scalzi, David Gerrold, The Guardian, and the rest of the SJWs will try to portray this as a resounding defeat for us, but keep this in mind: the side that resorts to a scorched earth strategy is the one that is losing and in retreat. All they have accomplished is to convert many Sad Puppies into Rabid Puppies.

They have talked about sending us a message, and we have heard it. I don't know about you, but the message I heard was "bring more Puppies."

UPDATE: This is amusing. The SJWs are so pleased with what they are claiming was a "victory" that they have vanished the categories that were No Awarded. "Those categories in which there were Awards presented are listed below."

UPDATE 2: The vote totals are here. With 525 Rabid Puppies, we definitely face an uphill climb, but keep in mind that this represents their fully mobilized forces, up from their anti-Puppy vote of 1,100 last year. I'll analyze this and share some of my thoughts in a future post.


Below are the results, along with my personal vote and how I voted the winner:

Best Novel

    The Three-Body Problem (1)

 Best Novella

    No Award
    "One Bright Star to Guide Them"

Best Novelette

    "The Day the World Turned Upside Down" (5)

Best Short Story

    No Award
    “Turncoat”, Steve Rzasa (Riding the Red Horse, Castalia House)

Best Related Work

    No Award
    "The Hot Equations: Thermodynamics and Military SF"

Best Graphic Story

    Ms Marvel
    No Award

 Best Dramatic Presentation (Long Form)

    Guardians of the Galaxy (1)

 Best Dramatic Presentation (Short Form)

    Orphan Black: “By Means Which Have Never Yet Been Tried” (4)

 Best Editor, Short Form

    No Award
    Vox Day

Best Editor, Long Form

    No Award
    Toni Weisskopf

Best Professional Artist

    Julie Dillon (3)

Best Semiprozine

    Lightspeed Magazine (4)

Best Fanzine

    Journey Planet (4)

Best Fancast

    Galactic Suburbia Podcast (3)

Best Fan Writer

    Laura J. Mixon (5)

Best Fan Artist

    Elizabeth Leggett (1)

The John W. Campbell Award for Best New Writer

    Wesley Chu (2)

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Blogger Birdland August 23, 2015 1:59 AM  

I'm in.

Anonymous Viidad August 23, 2015 1:59 AM  

Yes. And these puppies breed.

Blogger AmyJ August 23, 2015 2:00 AM  

That they applauded each No Award is astounding. Like they don't realize what it is they've done.

Anonymous Arlan Andrews, Sr. August 23, 2015 2:00 AM  

No Awarding some fine editors in both long and short forms was an insult to the industry, and a disgrace. For the rest of us, as Tom says, Big Boys Don't Cry.

Blogger D. G. D. Davidson August 23, 2015 2:01 AM  

I was a spectator this year, but next year, I'm in.

Blogger SirThermite (VFM #0025) August 23, 2015 2:01 AM  

Was difficult to follow both audio feeds from Supreme Dark Lord Vox and the the Hugo livestream at the same time, but as for the latter, I did see the stereotypical SJW-hated (approaching) Dead White Male in a crimson-lined black coat preside as master-of-ceremonies over a clearly subordinate black female wearing a cliched redshirt costume. Also saw the white fossil agreeing with a villainous Dalek that said it liked Scalzi. Nothing symbolic or hypocritical about that at all, amirite SJWs?

Blogger VFM bot #188 August 23, 2015 2:02 AM  

There were RP wins, e.g. Guardians of the Galaxy and The Three Body Problem, but the results were muddied by many losses also. Will the actual voting numbers be released? That will aid analysis.

Blogger SirThermite (VFM #0025) August 23, 2015 2:04 AM  

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Blogger SirThermite (VFM #0025) August 23, 2015 2:05 AM  

But enough about the enemy. I'm in like flint for next year, even if membership were to increase 500% over the $40 immense entertainment bargain I got this year. Bring it!

Anonymous Hawk S. Rabidus August 23, 2015 2:06 AM  

While I was disappointed to see several very worthy names get no-awarded, I was quite pleased with the clean sweep that prevented any winners for Marginalia House.

Anonymous Anonymous August 23, 2015 2:07 AM  

Vox, you --- and we --- won. You are a brilliant strategist.

They are obtuse, oblivious, they cling to their rags.

I am not disappointed in the slightest --- it would have been just to see excellent works awarded, but, obviously, by their own determination (and as you foretold) their award means shit. It IS shit.

I falter not. Au contraire, I am genuinely and I do so hate what these wimps have done to this good word) empowered.

Sorry for the Anonymous, but I have no social media "identity"


Anonymous Achilles August 23, 2015 2:08 AM  

I would love to hear more analysis of the voting in the near future. All those new votes. I find it hard to believe they were all SJWs. Seems fishy.

Anonymous Culture War Draftee #151 August 23, 2015 2:08 AM  

This is more like Louisbourg. SFWA is St. Francis, and Tor is Quebec. The New Englanders had to make several tries at Louisbourg, but once Acadia had fallen, the rest of New France was doomed. It took sixty years according to Francis Parkman, but they got it done.

Anonymous Foster August 23, 2015 2:09 AM  

It's interesting, on GRRM's blog, I started a conversation w an SJW. When I mentioned (without indicating who I thought it should be) that we should find a way to ensure the best, highest quality books won, she denied the idea that one book could be better than another. It's ironic because under that premise, the most logical choice is no award.

Anonymous DreadIlk_ZT August 23, 2015 2:10 AM  

Sweat charcoal, we burn ' n that matriarchal fornicater down next year. I feel a we bit giddy.

Anonymous Iron Maiden August 23, 2015 2:10 AM  

Scream for me, sci-fi/fantasy fans!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-0x90tMjI8

Blogger bob k. mando August 23, 2015 2:10 AM  

Sorry for the Anonymous, but I have no social media "identity"


you don't need one. you can use your real name or any nick that strikes your fancy.

you can log in with a Google+/gmail account.

Anonymous Darth Toolpodicus #144 August 23, 2015 2:11 AM  

Bring more puppies is what I heard as well...

Anonymous Viidad August 23, 2015 2:12 AM  

@Arlan Andrews, Sr.

I bought your book Other Heads and Other Tales and I liked it - thanks for putting it out.

Anonymous Darth Toolpodicus #144 August 23, 2015 2:12 AM  

I really enjoyed 3BP, but I voted for Skin Game

Anonymous VFM #0053 August 23, 2015 2:13 AM  

And can all these "I'm going to vote for what I like..." moderates kindly STFU next year? You are acting as if Hugo's are awarded on literary merit despite proof to the contrary and therefore directly supporting the SJWs.

Blogger Leatherwing August 23, 2015 2:13 AM  

When can we buy memberships for next year? Hell, it's in St. Louis, right? I may even go next year.

Blogger Ragin' Dave August 23, 2015 2:14 AM  

They want to burn it down.

I want to help.

I'll bring the gasoline.

Blogger Noah B #120 August 23, 2015 2:15 AM  

NOW THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKIN BOUT

Blogger DL Johnson August 23, 2015 2:16 AM  

Have the rules for nomination and voting changed? I am happy to go in again and play with the SJWs

Blogger MidKnight (#138) August 23, 2015 2:17 AM  

Seeing Chu and several of the sjw-faves win made me feel a bit down, but the gloating started, and that rapidly changed to a feral grin...

It's on...

Anonymous Dream Weaver August 23, 2015 2:17 AM  

Every category that was "No Award" was a victory and award for the Sad and Rabid Puppies. How amazing would it be to have all next year's Hugo Awards be nothing but "No Awards"?

They couldn't take the heat and accept they'd been outfoxed so they went a third route where they just pretended the opposition wasn't really there. Cowards. Next year can't get here soon enough to see the Hugo Awards get blindsided by the Puppies (or whoever else is down the pike) again!

Blogger Harsh August 23, 2015 2:18 AM  

And the best part is the SJWs don't know that they played right into our hands.

Anonymous Susan August 23, 2015 2:18 AM  

The thought that popped into my mind was that the original message of never coexist with moderates as they will eventually undermine your goals was proved tonight. To me any way. Looking forward to any further posts regarding stats from the Hugos.

Blogger Matt #0083 August 23, 2015 2:19 AM  

No Award, across the board next year. The Hugos are dead. As they should be, after that travesty of a ceremony. Not to mention the last 15 years of "winners."

Or would it be better strategically to bring enough Puppies to win all categories next year? Certainly, that path yields more gnashing of SJW teeth and thus, satisfaction.

I regret not spending more time with the webinar sound turned up, rather than the awards ceremony. Ah well: plenty of excuses to drink.

Blogger Pseudotsuga August 23, 2015 2:21 AM  

So, they were willing to put their money where their mouths were by "No Award" in clearly political moves. The Hugo awards are now proven to celebrate right-thinking political posturing to a still non-representative group of fans. Time to bring in the real numbers, Comic con, Dragon con, and such.

Anonymous Difster VFM #109 August 23, 2015 2:23 AM  

They really don't understand what they've done by No-Awarding John C. Wright and then cheering about it.

Anonymous Wyrd August 23, 2015 2:23 AM  

No doubt George Martin, John Scalzi, David Gerrold, The Guardian, and the rest of the SJWs will try to portray this as a resounding defeat for us...

After they pack each others fudge.

Blogger Basta! August 23, 2015 2:25 AM  

"And can all these "I'm going to vote for what I like..." moderates kindly STFU next year? You are acting as if Hugo's are awarded on literary merit despite proof to the contrary and therefore directly supporting the SJWs."

Mea maxima culpa --- I didn't do exactly that, but I did tell myself that I coudln't vote on something I hadn't read or seen --- succumbing to the idea that the award still held value.

No more. Next year (for which I've already paid) show me the slate.

Anonymous Wrongfan August 23, 2015 2:26 AM  

Is there a recording of the live commentary from Vox? Would love to zap through it.

Blogger SirThermite (VFM #0025) August 23, 2015 2:28 AM  

To paraphrase Terry Pratchett, a noteworthy Englishman whom we lost this year along with Christopher Lee- "Build the Hugos a fire and they'll be warm for a day. Set the Hugos on fire and they'll be warm for the rest of their life"

Blogger Carl Philipp August 23, 2015 2:29 AM  

What do the "Year of the Asterisk" jokes mean? I feel out of the loop.

Incidentally, I raged when I read the comprehensive results. They actually put Skin Game below No Award. Geez. And Toni got first place after Noah.

Anonymous Nathan August 23, 2015 2:33 AM  

Six No Awards. Let them disappear the categories. It makes the fandom circlejerk look worse.

Blogger Jane Locke August 23, 2015 2:35 AM  

I think it will take a more concentrated effort next time. Sad Puppy votes were spread across 4 or 5 candidates while SJWs were able to vote uniformly for their remaining candidate or No Vote.

Anonymous Mr.A is Mr.A August 23, 2015 2:38 AM  

@3 AmyJ August 23, 2015 2:00 AM
"That they applauded each No Award is astounding. Like they don't realize what it is they've done."

They have no concept. The IM feed was filled with rabbits that couldn't believe that NO AWARD was just as preferable to us as a win. They were certain that we lied when we said that we didn't care. They are lost souls.

Blogger Jane Locke August 23, 2015 2:38 AM  

We should choose our ONE candidate during the nomination process and allow the SJWs to spread their votes thin across the other candidates.

Blogger SirHamster (#201) August 23, 2015 2:40 AM  

[i]That they applauded each No Award is astounding. Like they don't realize what it is they've done. [/i]

That stood out to me as well.

I have no qualms helping burn down the Hugos if they think a work like The Hot Equations deserves "No Award".

Blogger Michael A. Rothman August 23, 2015 2:40 AM  

http://www.thehugoawards.org/content/pdf/2015HugoStatistics.pdf

Blogger Carl Philipp August 23, 2015 2:45 AM  

So what's this "Hot Equations?" Is it good? Should I buy it?
Hmmm, I've got a touch of a reading backlog, but then I can catch up on some Puppy reading.......

Anonymous Nathan August 23, 2015 2:45 AM  

Looks like they managed to get a block of 1700-3000 for the No Award/Puppy Kicker vote.

Scalzi was nowhere near Best Novel. Actually for Tor, his and Sanderson's vote totals should be warning signs.

At least we kept Sarkesian and Chicks Dig X off of Related Works.

http://www.thehugoawards.org/content/pdf/2015HugoStatistics.pdf

Anonymous taqiyyologist August 23, 2015 2:46 AM  

@3 AmyJ

Let the cat out of the bag, which had previously been let out by SP/RP?

They sure did.

Imagine if the Grammys or the Oscars had "No Award".

No Platforming, because this platform is OURS.

They think they're Pete Townshend at Woodstock.

The Abbie Hoffman Incident was an incident that happened during The Who's set right after the song "Pinball Wizard". Abbie Hoffman was able to get on stage and grab a microphone while Pete Townshend tuned his guitar. He said: "I think this is a pile of shit! While John Sinclair rots in prison...". Hoffman was protesting against the imprisonment of John Sinclair (leader of the White Panther Party and manager of the left-wing hard-rock band MC5) who had been convicted and sentenced to nine years of prison because of marijuana possession. Townshend, angry that someone took the stage, yelled: "Fuck off! Fuck off my fucking stage!", hit him with his guitar and sending him off stage again. Townshend then added: "I can dig it!"; And after the song "Do You Think It's Alright?": "The next fuckin' person that walks across this stage is gonna get fuckin' killed! [crowd cheers] You can laugh, I mean it!".

They kill babies and sell their parts. And they don't even hate the babies.

What would they do to us, given the power?

It's been obvious, to anyone who pays attention to reality, and not JUST the fictional, escapist realms of their hobby.

They would do worse. Because we know they have, and do.

Blogger Zimri August 23, 2015 2:46 AM  

Jane: That may well be what Kate the Impaler has planned for next year.

Anonymous Mr.A is Mr.A August 23, 2015 2:46 AM  

@41 Jane Locke
"We should choose our ONE candidate during the nomination process and allow the SJWs to spread their votes thin across the other candidates."

No need for nominations. Our candidate for next year will be the fine Mr. Noah Ward. All will rally behind him and focus will be achieved.

Blogger SQT August 23, 2015 2:48 AM  

I saw something through my Facebook feed (through a friend's page) that showed David Gerrold high-fiving a bunch of other SJW's for a successful night... Really, they're that clueless?

Anonymous taqiyyologist August 23, 2015 2:49 AM  

SJWs Always Slaughter Millions of their Neighbors, Eventually.

Blogger SirHamster (#201) August 23, 2015 2:51 AM  

So what's this "Hot Equations?" Is it good? Should I buy it?
Hmmm, I've got a touch of a reading backlog, but then I can catch up on some Puppy reading.......


Essay explaining the thermodynamics behind fighting in space. A lot of SF treats it like naval battles, but it's qualitatively very different.

It's more informative than entertaining, but for some SF readers, those are the same thing.

Anonymous Wrongthink August 23, 2015 2:52 AM  

No need for nominations. Our candidate for next year will be the fine Mr. Noah Ward. All will rally behind him and focus will be achieved.
Why not both? Try to take the nominations. And then regardless of who wins the nominations vote everything No Award.

- No nominations for the Puppies: No Award
- Nominations for the Puppies: No Award and SJWs will join

Easy game plan.

Anonymous Mareth August 23, 2015 2:52 AM  

The comprehensive results:

http://www.thehugoawards.org/content/pdf/2015HugoStatistics.pdf

Anonymous taqiyyologist August 23, 2015 2:53 AM  

They tell us what their will is, to do. Right out in the open.

Imagine that! And most of us never believe them.

It's like deja vu. x10.

Anonymous Minion #0172 August 23, 2015 2:54 AM  

Scalzi will gloat but he should realize he will never win another Hugo, probably not even get another nomination.

And after watching David Garrold mince about the stage I know why he writes about small boys being "voluptuous."

Anonymous Book_Girl August 23, 2015 2:55 AM  

These motherfuckers put my favorite urban fantasy author, Jim Butcher, BELOW no award as #6?! Did I read that correctly?! Jim Butcher? Probably the most popular urban fantasy writer in America?! #6???

Ohhhhhh. Ohhhhhh. Hell hath no fury.....

Nominations are what? Five months away?

I'll be back next year. I'll be bringing others.

Anonymous Achilles August 23, 2015 2:56 AM  

Looking at all the new voters and the voting block for No Awards there seem to be 3 possibilities: 1. The SJWs managed to rally lots of new people to buy memberships and vote their slate. 2. SJW vote buying was much more extensive than thought. 3. The Hugo vote counters are fraudsters.

Out of all those the first is the least likely in my opinion.

Blogger SQT August 23, 2015 3:00 AM  


And after watching David Garrold mince about the stage I know why he writes about small boys being "voluptuous"

Ugh, really?

Anonymous Wrongthink August 23, 2015 3:01 AM  

@57

Colleges are full of SJWs. It wouldn't be a surprise for them to rally more blue haired legbeards. But yes, the likely payed the membership for the legbeards.

Anonymous Nathan August 23, 2015 3:02 AM  

Okay, Three Body Problem is a Puppy Win. Without our votes, Goblin Emperor would have won.

Anonymous Book_Girl August 23, 2015 3:02 AM  

Butcher is #5 actually. I just looked. But he finish below No Award as number #5.

Okay, bitches. This year, it was some skirmishes. Now, I officially declare war on SJW's in science fiction and fantasy. No surrender. No retreat.

Anonymous Scintan August 23, 2015 3:03 AM  

I'll be back next year. I'll be bringing others.

Remember, these 'non-political' people were buying memberships for others in order to get votes. The Hugos now have a verified history of slate voting, cabals, and vote buying.

Everything's on the table when it comes to the Hugos.

Anonymous FP August 23, 2015 3:07 AM  

@37 "What do the "Year of the Asterisk" jokes mean? I feel out of the loop"

The joke was that the asterisk was their symbol for 2015 hugos/worldcon. Supposedly for the record number of voters/attendees. They had a presentation about it early in the ceremony. Basically, it was the SJWs cheering on as they burnt down the Hugos.

https://twitter.com/search?q=%23hugoawards%20asterisks&src=sprv

Arthur Chu pontificates: https://twitter.com/arthur_affect/status/635299171516350465

Pic:
https://twitter.com/CarolElaine/status/635301449707053056

Anonymous Mareth August 23, 2015 3:07 AM  

"I think it will take a more concentrated effort next time. Sad Puppy votes were spread across 4 or 5 candidates while SJWs were able to vote uniformly for their remaining candidate or No Vote."

I thought this too at first, but then I remembered the voting system the Hugos use.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instant-runoff_voting

tl;dr: Spreading votes too thin absolutely can't be the issue here. (See the comprehensive results PDF for more confirmation of that.) Apparently there really were a hell of a lot of puppy-kicker ballots.

Anonymous taqiyyologist August 23, 2015 3:09 AM  

Hey there, Nebula...

How you Doin'?

(Goodnight Ilk. Gonna try to kill a dragon in Skyrim with just magic, Natty Ice, and one double shot of Don Julio.)

Anonymous Nathan August 23, 2015 3:10 AM  

The next couple days should be a gold mine for archiving posts.

Blogger Noah B #120 August 23, 2015 3:11 AM  

È una bella mattina.

Anonymous cynical August 23, 2015 3:11 AM  

Heh, Damien is up to his old tricks:

Damien Walter ‏@damiengwalter 5h5 hours ago
Folks, if there is harrasment posted on any channel for #HugoAwards please link me and I'll report in the Guardian. Please RT.

Anonymous VFM #160 August 23, 2015 3:15 AM  

This year we gave the Sad Puppies the benefit of the doubt and attempted to help them salvage the awards integrity.

We gave the Sad Puppies there shot at honorable competition.

Next year, it's our turn.

Blogger Carl Philipp August 23, 2015 3:15 AM  

@61 Bring it. I feel similarly about Noah Warding JCW. Favorite science fiction author I ever read, and the one who proved to me that science fiction could be as sublime and wondrous as fantasy.

And yeah, I'm also pissed about Butcher.

Anonymous Book_Girl August 23, 2015 3:16 AM  

I do want to see an analysis of these numbers. Roughly it looks like we were outnumbered about 3 to 1, I'd guess?

Blogger Carl Philipp August 23, 2015 3:17 AM  

@69 I don't know if you were in the Brainstorm meeting, but Vox did mention that next year's Sad Puppies will probably look a lot more like Rabid Puppies than this year. Partly because Torgersen is much more of a moderate, who tried to reach out and be appeasing, whereas Kate is, I rumor, entirely different.

Anonymous taqiyyologist August 23, 2015 3:18 AM  

@50 Me.

IOW, sometimes they don't actually lie.

Sometimes they let the mask fall off, clattering noisily to the ground.

Most times they just grab the front of their "calvar(y)ium" with both hands, and let Alien emerge from the resulting bloody slit, with lots of shrieking, biting, and vaginal blood.

They just Golgotha like that.

'Night, peeps.

(Vox has a throne of skulls? SJWs have an empire of skulls.)

Blogger Torial (#170) August 23, 2015 3:19 AM  

Anyone game to join me in giving an extra tip to the tip jar of Mr. Wright?

Anonymous Bz August 23, 2015 3:20 AM  

Excellent, the results were in the end mostly ridiculous and sometimes worse than ridiculous ...

The plan is working. We can do better next round. Let the games continue.

Blogger maniacprovost August 23, 2015 3:20 AM  

The thing is, a lot of the No Award votes are ignorant people who fell for the SJW line. Next year, they'll be paying attention, and they will not necessarily vote the same way.

Anonymous Book_Girl August 23, 2015 3:22 AM  

And a lot of Sad Puppies are hugely supportive of Toni Weisskopf, who the SJW's gleefully No Awarded. We can certainly expected some Sads to become Rabids.

Rome wasn't built in a day. We make progress every year...

Anonymous Anonymous August 23, 2015 3:22 AM  

Are you guys fucking *insane*?

If the Hugos mean so little to you, why are you even bothering? Let the SJWs have their little self-congratulatory playground and spend your energy in something that promotes your own efforts.

Anonymous Wrongfan August 23, 2015 3:27 AM  

Are you guys fucking *insane*?
If the Hugos mean so little to you, why are you even bothering? Let the SJWs have their little self-congratulatory playground and spend your energy in something that promotes your own efforts.

But George, they have to go!

Anonymous Steve August 23, 2015 3:28 AM  

Vox - thank you for running this vile, nefarious campaign of evil and terror. Tremendous entertainment value, and very instructive too.

My little fellas are still young enough to eat crayons and wave at buses, but we're watching cartoons here and I told them about this Hugo business.

Here's what they said:

"Dee dee dee dee Dada!"

"Ah BEE! Ah Bee! Zub zub zub!" (Tried to put a purple crayon in his nose for emphasis)

Translated to grown-up speak, this means:

Papa! Let us be puppies too next year so that we may strip the flesh and salt the wounds of the pansexual heffalumpenbeasts!

Yes! Yes! And we shall stick purple crayons up their butts! Except Gerrold. He'd like it, and it's your duty as a father to keep him away from us!

Well, it brought a tear to this VFM's yellow, nicitating, cyclopean eye.

A tear which rolled down my scaly beak, hit the floor, and burned through the bulkhead with a hiss of dissolving steel. So there shall be three rabid puppies in the Steve household next time.

Anonymous Minion #0172 August 23, 2015 3:29 AM  

SQT,

Yep, really.

He posted it on his website, gerrold.com

"Sawyer's eyes widened at the sight of the voluptuous boy, but he let him pass."

Ugh, indeed.

Blogger Noah B #120 August 23, 2015 3:30 AM  

Are you guys fucking *insane*?

No. Just malicious toward SJWs.

Anonymous Anonymous August 23, 2015 3:31 AM  

Explain to me, why? There are so many better things to spend money on than scorching someone else's earth. Buying more Jim Butcher books, for one.

Anonymous VFM293 August 23, 2015 3:31 AM  

Think I'll play me some mood music for next year.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=15nGJj6kYQ4

Anonymous taqiyyologist August 23, 2015 3:33 AM  

@78

Man, oh man.

Did you even read the third paragraph of this one post?

Now we know the result of that. This is a cultural war, not a literary sport. They are practicing a scorched earth strategy, and we can certainly assist them in that since we do not value their territory.

SJWs do not inhabit a "little...playground".

They try and take every single human institution.

And they have, but for #GG and SF/F. Those meddling kids.

We'll take back the rest, too. Even the Y.M.C.A.

Yeh, I said it. Imagine if the Y.M.C.A. got re-taken by non-SJWs.

A Krav-Maga dojo, with an emphasis on being Young Christian Men, Associated with other Young Christian Men.

And not a bunch of pseudo-athletic, light-in-the-loafers rabbits with a profound propensity toward Even Younger Christian "men".

Every institution's supporters will learn from this night's "festivities".

I hope, beyond all hope.

Anonymous Wrongfan August 23, 2015 3:34 AM  

Explain to me, why? There are so many better things to spend money on than scorching someone else's earth. Buying more Jim Butcher books, for one.
For the same reason you kill characters left and right in your books George.

Again in Trump's wise words: They have to go!

Blogger IM2L844 August 23, 2015 3:35 AM  

They know not what they have done. I guarantee it.

Anonymous Rigel Kent August 23, 2015 3:35 AM  

@78 Look, concern troll is concerned!

Blogger Carl Philipp August 23, 2015 3:36 AM  

@74 Wayyyyy ahead of you. >:)

Blogger SciVo August 23, 2015 3:38 AM  

@ Carl Philipp: "They actually put Skin Game below No Award."

That is such bullshit. That was my top pick because it was a great novel, and also under-awarded series.

Blogger maniacprovost August 23, 2015 3:38 AM  

What's wrong with supporting the Hugo Awards, advertising JCW, and pissing off commie propagandists at the same time? We denied 4 Hugos to garbage works that would have otherwise been promoted, and probably made 3 Body Problem, a sci fi work, beat out Goblin Emperor, a soap opera. I know that awareness of 3 Body problem has been raised in the US.

Now I can see how you might argue that buying $40 worth of space marine e-books is better. But by that token, we have denied 3x as much funding to the enemy as we spent.

Anonymous Mr.A is Mr.A August 23, 2015 3:38 AM  

@83. You must be new here. Cultural war is never pretty, rarely easy, and always messy -- and it never asks whether you'd like to stay on the sidelines. Everyone is "in". War is the only thing Cultural Marxists want in the end, so they shall have it. The fashion of this conflict will be unpalatable to them.

Blogger SQT August 23, 2015 3:41 AM  

@81 That tells me everything I need to know about Gerrold. Barf.

Anonymous Steve August 23, 2015 3:47 AM  

Are you guys fucking *insane*?

My cat says I'm a high-functioning mentalist but I told her to shut her whore mouth.

Blogger Jim August 23, 2015 3:55 AM  

Explain to me, why? There are so many better things to spend money on than scorching someone else's earth. Buying more Jim Butcher books, for one.

Because it's not their earth. It was stolen from Asmiov. From Heinlein. From Ellison. Even from Hugo Gernsback himself, whose works would quickly be No Awarded by the SJW crowd today for being wrongthink. And it maliciously puts forward navel gazing unstories as the best science fiction has to offer to the general public, while its membership simultaneously wonders why Sci-Fi sales are anemic.

It is a cancer on the genre. That is why it must be burned.

Anonymous Anonymous Something August 23, 2015 3:59 AM  

I think the most insightful comment of the whole evening came from the writer behind “Women Destroy Science Fiction!”—her final thank you was to her daughters, who she said would “destroy whatever’s left standing” (or something to that effect).

Truer words were never spoken.

Anonymous Nathan August 23, 2015 3:59 AM  

Out of context quote mining. Haven't seen that in a second. But, no, Rabid Puppies did not go for a No Award strategy with the Hugos. 3000 of science fiction's literary con crowd did that this year. About a tenth as many did the same last year. And they proved that you had to be the Right People to win an award. Personally, I find it hilarious that there are more Fan Awards than Literary Awards this year. Quote mining doesn't change the votes.

Blogger Unknown August 23, 2015 4:07 AM  

Why do you people even care? The people who give out the Hugo's just want to award the works that are best liked by the fan-base. If the fans are doing the nominations and voting, then why do you want to burn down the awards? Just nominate the ones you like, vote for the ones you like, and move the hell on. If you feel like your picks aren't being represented, start your own awards. Burning down someone else's house because they don't want you as a roommate is irrational. Find a different house and roommates who get you. No one is stopping you. No Award isn't some revolutionary concept introduced by puppies. It's a reasonable way of saying, "I didn't like any of these options." If you're voting that way out of spite, that's a lot of effort to be vindictive.

Anonymous Whitey McWhite August 23, 2015 4:10 AM  

This is how SJW control of the Hugos dies: not with lamentations but with applause.

Basta!: "...I did tell myself that I coudln't vote on something I hadn't read or seen --- succumbing to the idea that the award still held value.

No more. Next year (for which I've already paid) show me the slate."

Next year is going to be sublime.

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Blogger Jim August 23, 2015 4:15 AM  

Why do you people even care? The people who give out the Hugo's just want to award the works that are best liked by the fan-base. If the fans are doing the nominations and voting, then why do you want to burn down the awards? Just nominate the ones you like, vote for the ones you like, and move the hell on.

I love the smell of your fear. The taste of your tears will be divine.

Anonymous Nathan August 23, 2015 4:15 AM  

@99

We don't care.

Blogger Harsh August 23, 2015 4:18 AM  

@Unknown

Shut up and get out of our way.

Blogger Harsh August 23, 2015 4:19 AM  

Because it's not their earth. It was stolen from Asmiov. From Heinlein. From Ellison. Even from Hugo Gernsback himself

Amen. This should be part of our war cry.

Anonymous Bz August 23, 2015 4:19 AM  

Are you guys fucking *insane*?

Please keep that in mind for the years to come.

Blogger Carl Philipp August 23, 2015 4:19 AM  

@troll "The people who give out the Hugo's just want to award the works that are best liked by the fan-base."

HAHAHAHAHAHA
Have you not PAID ATTENTION this year? This was the year they flat-out admitted that was a sham.

Blogger Hylean August 23, 2015 4:20 AM  

Kansas City for the Next one. Why not get some VFMs to run around and have some fun? I live in good ole STL, and got plenty of connections in the area, and friends too. This combined with a profitable job, I think I can get a Rabid DOG SLED To go and give a cheer every time a SJW loses. Then drink their tears (With the masters permission, bottling them and sending them over air mail can be done).

Blogger Unknown August 23, 2015 4:20 AM  

Who's afraid? Maybe just of your icky response.. you're going to taste my tears? :) Really?

Blogger Harsh August 23, 2015 4:21 AM  

Are you guys fucking *insane*?

No, not at all. The gauntlet has been thrown and we will win. Just wait.

Blogger ScuzzaMan August 23, 2015 4:22 AM  

@78: If we're so fucking insane, what are you doing, bothering to talk to us?

If you think we're fucking insane this year, wait until next year.

Blogger Harsh August 23, 2015 4:23 AM  

Who's afraid? Maybe just of your icky response..

You, that's who. You are afraid. You are and your rotten cohorts.

Blogger Carl Philipp August 23, 2015 4:23 AM  

Insane? We're RABID!!!
Although I'm on the fence between Sad and Rabid. Depends on how well Kate will manage that side of things.

Anonymous Anonymous August 23, 2015 4:25 AM  

Holy fuck, you guys *are* insane.

Destructive, non-caring psycho sociopaths. Bankrupt of any real moral integrity, you accuse your opponents of the tactics you, yourselves employ. You are the new face of evil.

Blogger ScuzzaMan August 23, 2015 4:26 AM  

@99:

" If you're voting that way out of spite, that's a lot of effort to be vindictive. "

Your comment is woefully misdirected: WE didn't vote that way - this year.

Perhaps your comment would make more sense if you followed this simple plan:

1. Observe reality
2. Ponder reality
3. Make an intelligent comment demonstrating that you have followed steps 1 and 2

You're welcome.

Blogger Harsh August 23, 2015 4:27 AM  

Destructive, non-caring psycho sociopaths. Bankrupt of any real moral integrity, you accuse your opponents of the tactics you, yourselves employ. You are the new face of evil.

Nice to meet you, too. Now get out of our way before you get stomped.

Blogger ScuzzaMan August 23, 2015 4:28 AM  

What part of "WE DONT CARE" did you not understand?

Why are you talking to crazy people?

Go away, before you become infected.

Anonymous Nathan August 23, 2015 4:29 AM  

Shaming language doesn't work around here.

Which number law is projection again?

Blogger Carl Philipp August 23, 2015 4:31 AM  

@115 "Bankrupt of any real moral integrity, you accuse your opponents of the tactics you, yourselves employ."

Oh no, you see, we bait them into employing those tactics first, like we did this year ;)

Blogger Jim August 23, 2015 4:34 AM  

Which number law is projection again?

I thought it was implicit in all of them.

Anonymous Steve August 23, 2015 4:35 AM  

Holy fuck, you guys *are* insane.

Duh.

Destructive, non-caring psycho sociopaths.

We still have feelings, you know. :(

You are the new face of evil.

I have no face and I must scream.

BTW, pick a name or you'll get baleeted.

Blogger Jim August 23, 2015 4:35 AM  

Destructive, non-caring psycho sociopaths.

Etch that into your tiny little mind. Then run.

Anonymous Mook Vanguard August 23, 2015 4:36 AM  

@95

Puppies did not vote No Award--anti-puppies did.

Blogger Carl Philipp August 23, 2015 4:36 AM  

Oh yeah, I've been meaning to ask - what's the distinction between the Ilk, the Dread Ilk, and the Vile Faceless Minions?

Anonymous Lulabelle (68) August 23, 2015 4:37 AM  

"We still have feelings, you know......."

Feelings........whoa-oh-oh........Feelings.......(everybody!)

Blogger Nohbody August 23, 2015 4:45 AM  

I didn't vote this year, for reasons I won't get into as irrelevant. I didn't even watch the award ceremony stream, being at work tonight. I did, however, support the Sad Puppies campaign, mostly posting using my FB login of "Dan Poore".

After reading up on what happened tonight, though, I'm starting to think I may be coming down with a case of hydrophobia. It's UN-FUCKING-ACCEPTABLE that so many good people didn't get the recognition they genuinely deserved simply because they weren't spewing GoodThink(tm).

I'm not "inside" on the SP4 handling, so I'll wipe up the spots of foamy spittle for now and see what's planned, but at this point I see a real life version of "Cujo" happening in my future.

(And hell, I didn't even normally follow Vox given he's more... energetic, shall we say, than is my usual behavior, though I have purchased from Castilla House. But I'm following now. Debating applying for minionhood.)

Blogger Nohbody August 23, 2015 4:48 AM  

@127 Correction of my last paragraph: "[...] energetic, shall we say, in his discussion style[...]"

Blogger Tom Kratman August 23, 2015 4:52 AM  

Ananymous. Because we feel their pain...and like it when they suffer.

Anonymous Forrest Bishop VFM #0167 August 23, 2015 4:53 AM  

@63. FP

@37 "What do the "Year of the Asterisk" jokes mean? I feel out of the loop"

The joke was that the asterisk was their symbol for 2015 hugos/worldcon. Supposedly for the record number of voters/attendees. They had a presentation about it early in the ceremony. Basically, it was the SJWs cheering on as they burnt down the Hugos.


Wait... not so fast. The asterisk was introduced several months ago as a way to distinguish the 2015 Hugos. It had nothing to do with the number of voters: that is the new SJW cover story!

The idea was, and is, that the 2015 Hugo winners are tainted by the RP/Sp slates, and the asterisk is to show that in the future records.
Example usage:

2014 Best Whatever, Jane Blow
2015 Best Whatever*, Joe Blow*

David "Voluptuous Boy" Gerrold's creepy little 'Asterisk' stage dance was both the insider signal for the SJW cognoscenti and spin for the mouth breathers. All proceeds from Asterisk sales supposedly will go to Save the Orangutans or something.

Maybe I'm making all this up as part of a world building exercise for some twistofuk universe.

Blogger Harsh August 23, 2015 4:54 AM  

Just a little reminder. This is a select group of previous Hugo winners for best novel. Compare that to the dross that the SJW crowd is offering as worthy of an award, my comrades. They have invaded our genre and taken our awards and then claim that it is they who are the "true fans". Well, fuck that. Let us take back what is ours!

1953 Alfred Bester The Demolished Man
1960 Robert A. Heinlein Starship Troopers
1961 Walter M. Miller, Jr. A Canticle for Leibowitz
1966 Frank Herbert Dune
1967 Robert A. Heinlein The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress
1971 Larry Niven Ringworld
1974 Arthur C. Clarke Rendezvous with Rama
1978 Frederik Pohl Gateway
1984 David Brin Startide Rising
1985 William Gibson Neuromancer
1986 Orson Scott Card Ender's Game
1990 Dan Simmons Hyperion

Anonymous taqiyyologist August 23, 2015 5:02 AM  

Destructive, non-caring psycho sociopaths. Bankrupt of any real moral integrity, you accuse your opponents of the tactics you, yourselves employ. You are the new face of evil.

Yup. We're all about defending the common practice of ripping your babies from yours and your women's wombs and crunching our scissory way up their faces, from the upper jaw to the top of the "calvarium", just to "procure" a brain "specimen" for money and profit.

Oh wait... that's you people.

...and that's only the actions that you people defend that are performed against people you DON'T actually hate, little people whom are actually completely incapable of performing any sin whatsoever.

If you actually believed in sin, that is.

Anonymous Bz, the new face of evil August 23, 2015 5:03 AM  

Holy fuck, you guys *are* insane.

Destructive, non-caring psycho sociopaths. Bankrupt of any real moral integrity, you accuse your opponents of the tactics you, yourselves employ. You are the new face of evil.


I think I'll have this one framed.

Anonymous taqiyyologist August 23, 2015 5:09 AM  

@131

I read everything on that list.

I stopped reading soon after Simmons.

I wonder why?

Anonymous taqiyyologist August 23, 2015 5:13 AM  

Compare that to the dross that the dinosaur is offering as worthy of an award, my love.

FTFY

Blogger Harsh August 23, 2015 5:25 AM  

Oh boy, here come the bitter SJW trolls...

Anonymous Nxx August 23, 2015 5:26 AM  

Holy fuck, you guys *are* insane.

Destructive, non-caring psycho sociopaths. Bankrupt of any real moral integrity, you accuse your opponents of the tactics you, yourselves employ. You are the new face of evil.


The butthurt is strong in this one.

Anonymous Nathan August 23, 2015 5:28 AM  

Someone hand him an Unwitting Minion badge on his way out.

Anonymous Shut up rabbit August 23, 2015 5:31 AM  

"Oh, how dare you use our tactics against us?" The SJW cries out as he strikes you.

What is needed is some physical component to the voting, that would disqualify most of the SJW landwhales.

Anonymous rienzi August 23, 2015 5:32 AM  

SJW's: We didinst wants the PRECIOUS anywayes! We voteses NO PRECIOUS!! Evil, evil doggies took the PRECIOUS!!!!!!!! PRECIOUSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Anonymous Shut up rabbit August 23, 2015 5:35 AM  

@136 What's the matter InnerPartisan? No room left at the polyamorous after-awards spawning party for you?

Pity the poor hotel maids cleaning up after that fluid and lard fest - yuck.

Anonymous Rolf August 23, 2015 5:38 AM  

Being there was more "meh, one expected outcome" than disappointment. I expected Chu to win, I expected to lose. Looking at the totals, He won very big, then no award, then the other four of us up for the Campbell. He actually got fewer nomination ballots than I did - the least in the category - but utterly crushed us all in the final ballot. 2655 for Chu, No Award in a distant second with only 529, less than 1/5th as much. I only got 68, the only one to not get at least into 3 digits. But with only my short story included, I wasn't expecting a lot.

The cheering of the "no awards" I thought was pretty classless - exactly the same as booing the other team, but it wasn't discouraged in any way. I didn't take it personally - my first thought was "intolerance and hate wins that category." The ladies to my left were clapping, the guy to my right was saying "oh, god."

The after event party was OK, but I'm really not a partier. I had some pleasant conversations, met a few people, might have sold a few books. Or maybe not. Most people seemed nice enough; some I got the impression that I was seeing/hearing their real feelings, but I definitely got a "wooden face, tightly controlled speech" from some of them. Ah, well. Time for bed.

Anonymous Peter #0231 August 23, 2015 5:48 AM  

Your Malevolence,

I see five categories that got No Award, not four.

And you mentioned a Stephenson book during the web cast. What's the title? I managed to not jot it down.

Blogger VD August 23, 2015 5:59 AM  

Oh yeah, I've been meaning to ask - what's the distinction between the Ilk, the Dread Ilk, and the Vile Faceless Minions?

Ilk = regular readers. There are about 10,000 of them.
Dread Ilk = longtime regular supporters. There are about 2,000 of them.
Vile Faceless Minions of the Evil Legion of Evil = servants of the Supreme Dark Lord dedicated to ruthless obedience and the total destruction of all things SJW. There are 400 of them.

Anonymous Mike M. August 23, 2015 6:00 AM  

I have to wonder if there were multiple memberships bought by a handful of people. It looks like you can buy control of the Hugos for around $50-60K.

Which is well in the limits of a straightforward business decision.

Anonymous Shut up rabbit August 23, 2015 6:07 AM  

@144. Mike M.
They did, openly and proudly. It's OK when they do it.

Blogger JDC August 23, 2015 6:16 AM  

I believe the SJW is patting themselves on the back, but will soon realize that they have in fact, set fire to their own homes.

I think their next step, probably not next year, but soon after that, will be to find a way to have all Castalia House authors, editors and artists banned (basically anyone who associates with Vox). We've seen in the past they care not for the truth, and will remove from their community anyone they deem not down with the cause.

Blogger InnerPartisan August 23, 2015 6:24 AM  

@140:
Alas, Mr. "Shut up rabbit", the chances for an exchange of ideas between us seem rather dire.
You see, I would just LOVE to answer that totally sincere and oh so very erudite question of yours - but unfortunately, our gracious host is not a supporter of free speech; and does not approve of my pitiful opinion.

If you are quick enought to catch this message before it is deleted, then maybe you'd consider and continue this highly intellectual discussion on a more open and tolerating platform.

I suggest tumblr. I'd even create an account on that radical, open to free speech website just for you :)

Anonymous Usul August 23, 2015 6:43 AM  

We should create one really shitty, SJWy work per category and get them nominated and awarded.

Blogger Salt August 23, 2015 7:29 AM  

Next up will be the 2016 nominations. Let's see who brings game to the arena.

Blogger Jack Ward August 23, 2015 8:19 AM  

Burn in 2016.

I listened to the webinar and jockeyed the sound between the live stage feed and the round table with Vox and company. Those people [sjw] really are an unlovely group are they not?

I wish I could believe it was a fair vote with no vote buying, ballot counting shenanigans, but I can't. My vote would be for vote buying. And, Tor was probably behind it all and may have provided all the money.
OK.
Next year should be interesting.
Final thought: I did not realize that Rolf's entry was for the short story. I see the strategy now, I think. With the standard prose rewrite of The Stars came back' he will be nominated as best new author next year in that second year of eligibility. Hope so. That may be one of the few, very few if any, that I don't note No Award.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan August 23, 2015 8:23 AM  

Thanks to everyone who worked on this and will continue to work towards what I consider the overarching goal and that is freedom of speech and the destruction of PC and its priesttrolls.

Secondly you and what little effort I was able to deliver did have some resounding success, IMO the TOR stranglehold on SciFi/F is being taken apart.

That second paragraph should be converted to rhetoric and used as a consistent message against the SJW and to alert the masses that options do exist in the world.

Anonymous Not "George" August 23, 2015 8:30 AM  

Some of those anonymous posts above are mine.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan August 23, 2015 8:32 AM  

Remember the SJW think of them as superior to us in every way, but obviously they cannot prove it and since they cannot prove it I afford them no authority, and without the façade of authority they are nothing. Did anything on display at this convention contradict what I just wrote?

I honestly have no interest in going to a convention like a standard comicon or dress up with purple hair con that ain't me, sounds boring as hell IMO.

So what would a VFM con look like? Will we have a Glock booth that perhaps could convince me to buy their Tupperware spatula handled pistols? Would there be a panel discussion debating the Stoner platform, Kratman vs an expert to be named later? Real live scientists holding forth on the physics of space travel and of course space war?

Anonymous Not "George" August 23, 2015 8:32 AM  

I'm not George.

Anonymous Nice Peon with a Face August 23, 2015 8:35 AM  

fandom, and not a 40 member Tor Cabal, just told the Puppies, Rabid and otherwise, to fuck off. Well played.

Anonymous Not "George" August 23, 2015 8:40 AM  

When JCW writes a book that compares favorably with the list of previous Hugo winners cited below (you know: Heinlein, Clarke, Miller, Card...) then he might actually garner enough POPULAR FANNISH SUPPORT to win a freaking Hugo.

He didn't "not win" because of any political leaning, or association with a reprehensible neanderthal. He lost because, in the opinion of an overwhelming majority of the fans voting, the work sucked.

Blogger Lisa Merkel August 23, 2015 8:47 AM  

I don't think there was vote buying. At least not very much. $16,000 and a couple of interns making fake email accounts could have flipped this in any direction. There must not be a lot of money in this industry. Seriously, 5,600 people? I know an amateur bodybuilder with a following of 20,000.

Puppies of both stripes were honest about their motivations. There has not been much time yet, but I'm eager ... Very eager ... to have the anti-puppies explain to me how a book that got the most nominations came out behind No Award.

I didn't vote this year. I will certainly be voting next year.

Anonymous Mike M. August 23, 2015 8:49 AM  

@153:
A VFMcon would have panels on space combat. I'd do a piece on Theory of Space Opera. Vox might lecture on game design principles underlying Selenoth. John Wright might put on a piece on vocabulary-building.

You know, it would be worth putting on.

Blogger Cail Corishev August 23, 2015 8:50 AM  

Let the SJWs have their little self-congratulatory playground and spend your energy in something that promotes your own efforts.

No.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan August 23, 2015 8:50 AM  

The TOR cabal has to go see we even have a SJW who agrees. But if the TOR cabal can make an intellectual argument for their stranglehold and blockade then let them I say. But again I have to ask why is it that Hayden, Toad or Rapey are allowed so much influence? IMO they are nothing special, so can any of their supporters tell us why they have such a platform and why they produce such shit message fiction and get so upset that people have begun to actually speak up against the vivisection of art?

Blogger Steveo #238 August 23, 2015 8:52 AM  

Study secrets upon the throne of bones;
Alone; minions follow but told, lead;
Flames cauterize the sword's slash; of doubts
Thousands doubt the thousands, doubt the seed.

The Unknown Known, writing in slanderous throng,
Campbell, honors not Noah’s profit as a flood
Before the first Full Sturgeon Moons vote demanded
Doubts annual redress - for victory’s sleight hand writes in SJW blood.

Anonymous Anthony August 23, 2015 8:53 AM  

Not George - What do you base your arguments on? Are you a mind-reader? Did you take a poll of everybody who voted in the Hugos this year?

It seems quite likely to me that the main reason JCW didn't win a Hugo tonight is because of his political leanings, and/or association with the Puppies campaigns. It's really not that hard for neutrals like myself to read between the lines, especially given the *applause* given to No Award results last night.

If a category ended up No Award because people thought it lacked any worthy nominees for that year, wouldn't that be a cause for *sadness* among dedicated sci-fi literature fans? It's certainly not a result one would expect to be *applauded*. By applauding No Award results... that very clearly speaks to something a bit darker and more sinister than simply not finding any of this year's nominees to be worthy of the award.

Anonymous Mike M. August 23, 2015 8:54 AM  

@157:
That's my point. The Sad Puppies got started when Larry Correia showed that the Hugos were being won with 40-50 votes. What's a Hugo worth in sales? In prestige? I'd bet there's a solid business case for throwing the resources into buying the award...especially since it's a package deal. Buy one, you own them all.

Blogger Cataline Sergius August 23, 2015 8:56 AM  

Holy fuck, you guys *are* insane.

Destructive, non-caring psycho sociopaths. Bankrupt of any real moral integrity, you accuse your opponents of the tactics you, yourselves employ. You are the new face of evil.


(*tee-hee-hee!!!*)

Anonymous Til August 23, 2015 8:57 AM  

He didn't "not win" because of any political leaning, or association with a reprehensible neanderthal. He lost because, in the opinion of an overwhelming majority of the fans voting, the work sucked.

And this is what it looks like when SJWs burn their own house down. The more you lie, the more people who actually bother to read JCW realize you are completely full of shit.

Blogger Mom August 23, 2015 8:57 AM  

One good thing for those of us who just like good reads - I know what not to buy - the Hugo winners and their authors. Best thing about getting involved this year was finding some really good fantasy again (thank you JCW. You have a new fan).

Blogger Mr.MantraMan August 23, 2015 9:00 AM  

158, my guess on space opera is that it is basically the old female author's rape fantasy by the Alpha male who then takes her as a concubine to love and cherish, not exactly new but slightly repackaged, is that close?

Back to the VFMcon, imagine being a physicist and going to a purple hair con basically taken over by chubby chicks with "oh please Mr. Alpha don't take advantage of me, more than once or twice" demeanors. But the professors are held captive by the college campus thugs and thugettes ready to drop the mob on any dissent with the usual mob of screamers "racist, sexist and homophobic" chants. If that mob's authority is broken I imagine a VFMcon would be nerd paradise a Skunk Works for the 21st century.

Anonymous Steve August 23, 2015 9:01 AM  

Hiya Not George.

He lost because, in the opinion of an overwhelming majority of the fans voting, the work sucked.

I suppose "Skin Game" sucked too, while "Redshirts" was awesome and the best SFF published in 2012. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

Nah mate, that's bollocks.

JCW is a wonderful writer. If you read "Awake In The Night Land" and "Somewither", you'll know what I mean. Taste is subjective but writing quality isn't, and he's a top notch writer.

I've been a SFF fan since I was a boy, but never was into conventions or anything like that, so I don't know exactly when the cons got taken over by polyfugulous hamplanets and NAMBLA supporters, but that's the crowd WorldCon draws these days. The pictures look like they were taken on the set of a dark, gritty reboot of The Island of Misfit Toys.

They hate JCW because he's not a pervert. Simple as that. If he wrote about enjoying the sight of rosy-buttocked boys and pozzed the internet up with rainbow flags and male feminism the lumpenbeasten would suddenly find his writing had dramatically improved.

But he's in good company.

Tolkien, C.S. Lewis, and Heinlein wouldn't get a look in at today's Hugos either if they were still alive. They'd be told their work "sucks" too.

Blogger Cail Corishev August 23, 2015 9:03 AM  

Did I read that correctly?! Jim Butcher?

That's astounding. It's one thing for them to deny awards to their political enemies. But Butcher isn't. Their genre is dying; despite supposedly being about fresh, new ideas, their convention draws an older crowd than a quilting bee. There's an extremely popular author whose books could appeal to a younger crowd. But they refuse to give him an award and promote him to draw in younger readers, because the wrong people nominated him.

There must be no cooler heads on their side at all. Or if there are, they're afraid to speak up, because that was incredibly stupid. They've proven everything Sad Puppies originally said about them, and then doubled down by proving everything Rabid Puppies told the Sads.

Anonymous T August 23, 2015 9:04 AM  

By applauding No Award results... that very clearly speaks to something a bit darker and more sinister than simply not finding any of this year's nominees to be worthy of the award.

Bears repeating.

They just can't help themselves. They have to gloat, and by doing so, remove their mask.

Which was the plan all along. You SJWs are truly stupid. You actually think you can continue to peddle the 'seriously we considered every work' line when joking about asterisks and applauding for torpedoing awards?

Unfortunately for you, we're pretty intelligent people.

Anonymous Godfrey August 23, 2015 9:06 AM  

Scorched Earth.

Blogger Cataline Sergius August 23, 2015 9:06 AM  

What is needed is some physical component to the voting, that would disqualify most of the SJW landwhales.

Interesting notion. The problem with any fan based award is that the sample is self-selecting.

So how do we disqualify SJW entryists when we set up our own award?

That idea seems hilariously sound. All voting members must complete a 5K run in under 28 minutes. That would disqualify or outright kill 98% of the Hugo award voting body.

Blogger Cail Corishev August 23, 2015 9:12 AM  

spend your energy in something that promotes your own efforts.

What energy spent? I spent a couple hours last night chatting with some very funny people, boning up on my IRC op skills, watching a bad movie, and sipping some good vodka. I might have done all that if the Hugos never existed.

Maybe that's what they don't get: this isn't work. This isn't tiring or dispiriting, the way it is for them. This is fun.

Anonymous p-dawg August 23, 2015 9:13 AM  

@114: Please define "moral integrity". If you even can, which I doubt.

Anonymous Trimegistus August 23, 2015 9:20 AM  

My accuracy at predicting the results was about 1 in 3:

I got Three-Body Problem, but none of the other fiction because I never expected them to No Award so lavishly. Also didn't get any of the movie and TV; I don't watch much TV so I guess I'm out of the loop there.

Huge surprise (to me) that the editor awards got No Awarded.

However, I pegged the artist, semiprozine, Fan Writer, and Campbell, so for the bottom half of the roster I stand by the "recognizable name or first on the list" principle.

Blogger Cataline Sergius August 23, 2015 9:28 AM  

What is needed is some physical component to the voting, that would disqualify most of the SJW landwhales.

Interesting notion. The problem with any fan based award is that the sample is self-selecting.

So how do we disqualify SJW entryists when we set up our own award?

That idea seems hilariously sound. All voting members must complete a 5K run in under 28 minutes. That would disqualify or outright kill 98% of the Hugo award voting body.

Blogger VFM bot #188 August 23, 2015 9:35 AM  

I'd like to rant for a moment. Is that okay? Thank you.

[rant]

Those who have VFM numbers and said "Oh, I decided to vote for so-and-so" instead of what Vox suggested, or "I couldn't in good faith vote for something I hadn't read"...you are part of a common problem. As "moderates" you are losers who harm our cause, which is resistance to Groupthink. The other side has no such compunctions. Disciplined cadre ALWAYS win out over rabble, and people like you CREATE rabble with your precious "principles" (you've probably never been in the military, and you've certainly never been any part of a disciplined cadre of any kind; libertarians are famous for this kind of shit, which is why they never win anything). This is why throughout history---especially in the 20th century---organized, disciplined, minority groups (known as "party cadre" in communist/SJW organizational theory) virtually always prevailed over less organized and less committed majorities. Perfect example is the Bolsheviks in 1917 Russia, who stomped the majority "moderate" Mensheviks. Minority communists also came out on top in Cambodia, China, Cuba, Lao, and Vietnam in the last half of the 20th century, all with the predictable results of death, destruction, mass poverty, and slavery.

So if you're so damned prissy with your "principles" that you can't even cast votes in accordance with a plan, then turn in your damned VFM numbers. SJW cadres have no such compunctions, because like all collectivists they always follow their own communist party line, no matter where it leads (and in real-world politics it leads to dictatorship and mass murder, which is no problem for them). The ONLY way to confront and defeat that kind of discipline and commitment is to have equal or superior organization and commitment. Because of prissy "moderates" like you, the historical norm is that individual rights and personal freedom are exterminated everywhere.

Well fucking DUH. Turn in your VFM numbers if you can't get it all through your heads.

[/rant] Uh...sorry.

Anonymous p-dawg August 23, 2015 9:43 AM  

@177: Libertarians won the Revolutionary War. That's "nothing" to you?

Blogger Chris Scena August 23, 2015 9:51 AM  

Already did.

Anonymous Evstratios August 23, 2015 9:53 AM  

Thank you Ilk, Dread Ilk, and Vile Minions.

As a long time Ilk, it has been incredible to watch the foundation crumble and the rotund puffy tears of these hopeless losers throughout. It is even more hilarious to see their posts here claiming victory. I've yet to come across more pathetic mewling and, truthfully, the situation has brought me joy this morning. I will be raising the dread standard as a man who has enjoyed in my life instigating and engaging in vicious and brutal beatings to those who have required lessons learned. They have forced the militant hand and I will be adding my voice to the march.

All that has occurred has been foreseen. It is amusing that they have yet to understand that the types of high IQs that are involved allow us a 360 degree view of the battlefield. There are many more soldiers in waiting.

I ask those among the other thousands and thousands of lurkers to rise. It has been fun and games for me but the time for decisive action has come. Your inaction, and mine own to this point, has allowed far too much to pass. Who among us will choose to live in a world of manatees? I do wish that our path forward would be as easy as dominating in physical combat but we are going to have to take part in these ongoing frivolities to extend and reinforce our platform. Be more aggressive in personal life and be an ungodly holy terror online. The time is now and forevermore.

Dark Lord, I am here to serve.

Blogger Chris Scena August 23, 2015 9:57 AM  

Fuck off you anonymous twat. What about "we don't care" is that difficult to comprehend?

Blogger leilers August 23, 2015 10:02 AM  

I was a new voter. I'm not a writer, but I have loved SF/F since I was a child, and I read it voraciously. I am one of the people who helped "No Award" to be prevalent. For the first time in my life I joined and participated, in order to vote against what I saw as an unforgivable attempt to bully the vibrant and challenging world I love into stagnation. It seems I wasn't the only one.

Blogger leilers August 23, 2015 10:02 AM  

I was a new voter. I'm not a writer, but I have loved SF/F since I was a child, and I read it voraciously. I am one of the people who helped "No Award" to be prevalent. For the first time in my life I joined and participated, in order to vote against what I saw as an unforgivable attempt to bully the vibrant and challenging world I love into stagnation. It seems I wasn't the only one.

Blogger leilers August 23, 2015 10:02 AM  

I was a new voter. I'm not a writer, but I have loved SF/F since I was a child, and I read it voraciously. I am one of the people who helped "No Award" to be prevalent. For the first time in my life I joined and participated, in order to vote against what I saw as an unforgivable attempt to bully the vibrant and challenging world I love into stagnation. It seems I wasn't the only one.

Blogger FALPhil August 23, 2015 10:08 AM  

@61 Okay, bitches. This year, it was some skirmishes. Now, I officially declare war on SJW's in science fiction and fantasy. No surrender. No retreat.

And no prisoners.

Blogger Chris Scena August 23, 2015 10:09 AM  

Fuck off you anonymous twat. What about "we don't care" is that difficult to comprehend?

Blogger Chris Scena August 23, 2015 10:09 AM  

Already did.

Anonymous Eric Ashley August 23, 2015 10:14 AM  

A VFMcon....

1. SouthCentral US location. Much as I'd like Nashville, that's too far east.
2. For the Consuite, an outdoor Grill-off. Winner gets any deer that were hit on the drive over by any of the congoers.
3. Must have a bar inside the convention center. Arrange with bar owner to let the VFM stock the bar with 'good stuff'.
4. Shooting range within walking distance of convention center. Big sign in window. "You may choose to use your Glock, but you have to pay an extra $5 you sad sock."
5. Since Vox is coming, have an Advanced Squad Leader tournameant.
6. Warhammer 40k
7. Break out the duct tape, the water rockets, and the cardboard attachments and have a life-sized Car Wars game in the parking lot. You get to drive whatever frame you bring, so anyone who drives up in a dump truck might win. But they wouldn't have enough money for weapons so they'd probably have to 'drive' over the enemy.
8. Tabletop Roleplaying: Only Multiverser, because its for intelligent players. I will also allow Paranoia, if it is de-commified.
9. Programs: Actually Logical Time Travel--M.J. Young.
Whatever he wants to discuss--John Ringo
The Feminist Journey--mzb (actually an excuse to heckle her until she breaks down in tears and flees the podium only to be escorted off the premises by the con chairman as a 'triggering event' and a 'hater'.)
Uncle Timmy cuz he's a nice guy, and got harrassed by SJW's a year or so back.
Sarah Hoyt, but only if she promises to dress up as a Space Princess.
10. Dealers....Vic from Sword and Stone is a funny guy, and has a lot of sharp. pointy things.

Anonymous Nathan August 23, 2015 10:15 AM  

The "Alternate Hugos"

http://www.tobiasbuckell.com/2015/08/23/what-the-alternate-hugo-ballot-would-likely-have-been/

Looks like we done good work this year if that was the alternates.

Blogger Jeff Weimer August 23, 2015 10:17 AM  

@77 They no-awarded Toni Freaking Weisskopf. Because the *politics* of the group that got her on the ballot were "icky". And they cheered it.

Anonymous Rolf August 23, 2015 10:25 AM  

Well, I'm awake again. Almost 7 AM here, been up for nearly an hour, after getting to bed at nearly 4 AM. I left the Hugo losers' party at nearly 2 AM, then talked to an "average dude" wearing his Sasquan badge who walked into the lobby where I entered my report for another two hours. He was totally unaware of the controversy when he came, and had the SJW version of slates and puppies explained to him when he questioned the cheering at "no award" to the people at the party he was at. I explained the other side, and could see the wheels turning at it started to make sense.

@177 - no need to apologize for speaking the truth.

It will be interesting to see what I run into as things wrap up today. Not quite sure what to make of the spread between winner and "no award" in some of the categories. A huge gap.

Also I have no idea why Legget's acceptance speech mentioned me. we sat together at the pre-Hugo reception for a while and chatted, and she seemed very nice, but mentioning me? I don't have a problem with it, I just think it's odd. Eh, maybe I misheard.

To the 68 people that voted for me (what, couldn't you get one more?) in the final ballot, thank you! The best thing to add to those numbers is get my other books out this year, so the material in the nomination packet next year can be a bit more substantial. I think I might have a hull number or something for an inside joke in an upcoming book. Something like the Armadillo-class NGA Asterix, hull number 68. :-)

One of the most common "average guy" sentiments I ran into among those that seemed familiar with the RP/SP thing is just a resigned "it's bull-shist, can't we just write and read good sci-fi, and agree to disagree, and we are all part of fandom" words. I don't know if they are blind to the back-room politicking that has gone on, or they don't like it but they are ok with the fiction it produces so so don't see the problem until it's opposed, or something else.

Well, I'm rambling - two hours of sleep does that - and I need to drive to the convention center, now.

Blogger David-093 August 23, 2015 10:25 AM  

They have no idea what they've done. Like all things liberal, they couldn't leave well enough alone. Next year...we nuke it.

Get ready SJWs, we're bringing reinforcements.

Anonymous Stg58 / Animal Mother #225 August 23, 2015 10:31 AM  

Cataline,

That's great except I hate running.

Blogger Tommy Hass August 23, 2015 10:48 AM  

"He didn't "not win" because of any political leaning, or association with a reprehensible neanderthal. He lost because, in the opinion of an overwhelming majority of the fans voting, the work sucked."

Oh shut the fuck up you wormfaced liar.

Blogger Derek Kite August 23, 2015 10:57 AM  

An outsider here. Fascinating night. In all this it comes down to sales, and I suspect they have soiled their own nest and probably done themselves out of some jobs with these victories.

I suspect there are some phone calls this morning between people not in the fray but involved in the industry. No awarding proven producers out of spite and then cheering will end up in positions no longer funded, job descriptions disappearing, people getting suggestions to move on. It was a very bad idea, very bad. Economics always trumps.

A previous generation put up with artist dying in their vomit and destroying hotel rooms because the music was unbelievably good. It is still unbelievably good. College writing class pretentious drivel that doesn't sell doesn't buy you very much slack.

I have read little science fiction, but this show, and it is a show makes me curious, and someone will get my cash.

Anonymous kalel666 August 23, 2015 10:58 AM  

It's unfortunate that when we feel a storm
We can roll ourselves over 'cause we're uncomfortable
Oh well, the devil makes us sin
But we like it when we're spinning in his grin

Anonymous Eric Ashley August 23, 2015 11:00 AM  

Well said, Mr. Hass, well said.

Blogger Jim Rizzi August 23, 2015 11:03 AM  

JCW lost due to politics. Any suggestion otherwise is daft.

Regarding the age of the Worldcon attendees: these folks go out of their way to appear young and geek-hip. They like to dress in eccentric outfits, tophats with canes and crooked rainbow ties, and they like to color their hair like teenagers who think politics can be found in a bottle of dye and a palette of paint.

But their bodies are fat with age; they lack discipline, and their wrinkles are showing through.

They brought or bought about three thousand people. We have our goal.

Blogger Tamquam August 23, 2015 11:10 AM  

"Let the SJWs have their little self-congratulatory playground..."

No. No. And hell, no.

SF/F is certainly a small part of Western/American culture which has been under attack for over 50 years, at least. Small, but an important part of MY cultural world. I will brook no lying, transgressive were-toad Gollum strikers in my Kingdom of the Mind.

Can something so small and isolated make a difference? Oh, hell yeah! The Spanish Reconquista was launched from a pitifully few rump kingdoms in Pyrenees; it took forever, but it got done.

I cry defiance. No retreat, no surrender, and no Alamos. Beat the vicious, mindless little lemmings back into the dark whence they came. Then burn the darkness.

Blogger Sad Puppy August 23, 2015 11:10 AM  

@21

And can all these "I'm going to vote for what I like..." moderates kindly STFU next year? You are acting as if Hugo's are awarded on literary merit despite proof to the contrary and therefore directly supporting the SJWs

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No, because that is the philosophy behind the Sad Puppies. And yes, after yesterday it is pretty well proven that the award is meaningless because those who control it won't let it be used for anything other than their propaganda pieces.

But, the Sad Puppies is bringing in more puppies. And once they see there is no hope for salvaging the thing, they will quickly decide a different strategy.

Why even worry about NO AWARD when the SJW's will do it for you?

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