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Tuesday, August 18, 2015

Immigration and idiocracy

This development in human devolution will be very difficult for the true believers in human progress or racial equality to explain away:
Our technology may be getting smarter, but a provocative new study suggests human intelligence is on the decline. In fact, it indicates that Westerners have lost 14 I.Q. points on average since the Victorian Era.

What exactly explains this decline? Study co-author Dr. Jan te Nijenhuis, professor of work and organizational psychology at the University of Amsterdam, points to the fact that women of high intelligence tend to have fewer children than do women of lower intelligence. This negative association between I.Q. and fertility has been demonstrated time and again in research over the last century.

But this isn't the first evidence of a possible decline in human intelligence.

As for Dr. te Nijenhuis and colleagues, they analyzed the results of 14 intelligence studies conducted between 1884 to 2004, including one by Sir Francis Galton, an English anthropologist and a cousin of Charles Darwin. Each study gauged participants' so-called visual reaction times -- how long it took them to press a button in response to seeing a stimulus. Reaction time reflects a person's mental processing speed, and so is considered an indication of general intelligence.

In the late 19th Century, visual reaction times averaged around 194 milliseconds, the analysis showed. In 2004 that time had grown to 275 milliseconds. Even though the machine gauging reaction time in the late 19th Century was less sophisticated than that used in recent years, Dr. te Nijenhuis told The Huffington Post that the old data is directly comparable to modern data.
It should hardly come as a surprise that the average level of intelligence has declined as less intelligent populations have become a larger percentage of the whole. It would be interesting to learn if that is a factor, or if the various intelligence studies are all of a homogenous Anglo-European population and the decline is even worse than it appears.

Remember, intelligence scores are always normalized to 100, so what is 100 in 2004 is not the same thing as 100 in 1884.

I don't find this difficult to believe at all. There is virtually no one writing today that I regard as being on the same level as many past writers; it was astonishing to read how F.A. Hayek, in addition to refining Mises's Impossibility of Socialist Calculation, refuting Keynes, and winning a Nobel Prize, also traced the intellectual roots of social justice before obliterating it 14 years before it became an observably significant cultural force.

Who do we have to compare to that? Paul Krugman? Steve Keen is the one and only economist doing anything that can even be remotely compared to the giants of even the relatively recent past.

Now, what could possibly account for an even more dramatic decline in average British intelligence?
Tests carried out in 1980 and in 2008 showed that the average 14-year-old was two IQ points cleverer in 1980, according to a study published in 2009. Scientists found that performance dropped the most dramatically in teenagers in the upper half of the intelligence scale, The Telegraph reported. Brighter teens who took part in the study in 2008 were on average six IQ points less intelligent than their counterparts tested 28 years earlier.
The 1980 UK census didn't even take ethnicity into account. The 2011 census showed that the white population had dropped to 87.2 percent, down from 92 percent in 2001. It shouldn't take an IQ much above the average to determine the reason for the decline in British intelligence over the last 28 years.

Diversity doesn't only destroy a society, it makes it literally dumber. After all, you have to be pretty damn stupid and scientifically ignorant to believe in human equality anymore.

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182 Comments:

Anonymous AbuDhabi August 18, 2015 5:55 AM  

This is very interesting. It certainly stands up to reason, under the assumptions that a) HBD is real, b) genetic load influences g, c) more high-GL specimens survive to breed today than did in yesteryear.

Blogger ray August 18, 2015 6:07 AM  

Never heard the association made between intelligence and hand-eye-motor coordination/reaction, but some links wouldn't surprise.

One need only travel to see what type of female usually has children in America. It's not getting better either.

Anonymous PhillipGeorge©2015 August 18, 2015 6:09 AM  

Add autism and allergies into the mix and wonder about mercury, lead, fluoride and all those adjuvants in a chemical soup under 5 year olds are expected to get straight into their lymphatics. Genetic entropy is also doing a longer term thing/ much the same as a universe heading in the direction of heat death.
T - 37

Anonymous Giuseppe The Kurgan August 18, 2015 6:15 AM  

I have a theory, which I basically put in my Overlords of Mars series of books, that smartphones etc all help lower general IQ by lowering attention spans. Read the GK Chesterton books Heretics and Orthodoxy or science papers from the 1800s and it is patently clear that we have regressed. And the decline is speeding up.

Blogger Stilicho #0066 August 18, 2015 6:21 AM  

How did Heinlein put it? Ah, yes...

Stupidity cannot be cured with money, or through education, or by legislation. Stupidity is not a sin, the victim can't help being stupid. But stupidity is the only universal capital crime: the sentence is death, there is no appeal, and execution is carried out automatically and without pity.

Blogger VD August 18, 2015 6:21 AM  

I have a theory, which I basically put in my Overlords of Mars series of books, that smartphones etc all help lower general IQ by lowering attention spans.

They don't help, but a much more significant impact is bringing in 50 million lower-IQ immigrants and breeding with them. That's one-sixth of the population.

Sure, there are a few sports like me, but on average, the continued decline in average intelligence was, and is entirely predictable. Hell, even I predicted it and I wasn't paying much attention to HBD.

Blogger Telamon August 18, 2015 6:32 AM  

"Idiocracy." Which in itself was an example of the decline in quality of Western film.

Blogger Cataline Sergius August 18, 2015 6:32 AM  

@4


@Giuseppe The Kurgan

Spell check has certainly lowered my intelligence. I used to remember the difference between loose and lose.

Blogger Cataline Sergius August 18, 2015 6:33 AM  

@8

I disagree. Satire doesn't have to be funny to be brilliant.

Anonymous Giuseppe The Kurgan August 18, 2015 6:37 AM  

VD,
True enough. But it's nothing new. When any previously great Empire collapses things are reduced to the lowest common invader.
Latinos seem to me to have more "spiky" IQ fields than Anglo-saxons, but that's just a personal observation. The average Mexican doesn't seem to be particularly awake, but one of the smartest women I met is Mexican. Your average Dago is generally a bit smarter than most Latinos but in the main they don't conpare to the average Japanese. Yet the smart dago seems to me to be ahead of the smart jap and there may be more of them overall.

Just sit back and wait for us all to be a slightly browner shade of pale. Then we can all bitch about the Damn blue-skinned aliens and the Lizard-like greys, those Anal-probing dwarf freaks.... And we can all do it while speaking Esperanto.

Anonymous Giuseppe The Kurgan August 18, 2015 6:40 AM  

Stilicho,
If only that were true. Sadly stupidity is most often a death sentence on the smart guy trying to give the idiot a chance to learn....

Blogger Mr.MantraMan August 18, 2015 6:48 AM  

The Left could never prove human equality, lucky for them they had conservative opposition that spent its time trying to prove they were smart and trying to one up other conservatives in the smart department.

The Left has been whip smart in rhetoric up till now, now their lead dog intellectual is that goof Jon Stewart of funny face fame, not good for them. And of course this article is further proof that the Left's rhetoric will have to be dumbed down even further.

Any way in the future the movie "Ass" will garner 8 Oscars and be in tribute to comedy pioneer Jon Stewart.

Anonymous RS August 18, 2015 7:00 AM  

i like money

Anonymous grey enlightenment August 18, 2015 7:07 AM  

how about high-IQ immigration, but then people complain about wage depression and change in ethnic demographics.

Blogger VD August 18, 2015 7:20 AM  

how about high-IQ immigration

That is an entirely different problem. They're not numerous enough to boost the average, but they're smart enough to benefit themselves at the expense of the native population.

Blogger Cataline Sergius August 18, 2015 7:22 AM  

And then there is willful stupidity.

I admit it is difficult to tell the difference between that and natural stupidity. Not ignorance mind you but willful stupidity.

Blogger IM2L844 August 18, 2015 7:26 AM  

Well, I predict some SJW will come along and do what SJWs always do when presented with evidence antithetical to their feelings. That is claim that this was debunked a long time ago and it's a settled matter. They love to use "debunked" and "settled matter" together.

I had one tell me yesterday that they were absolutely certain Hillary had done nothing wrong. I asked what they thought of Tom Brady and they were absolutely certain of his guilt. I laughed, shook my head, recommended they think a little deeper about how they reconcile those two certainties and walked away.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan August 18, 2015 7:27 AM  

Science is rayciss, someone had to say it. Just imagine if the Mule Train March on NASA in 1969 had been as successful as the civil rights marches were earlier, none of this science and shit would be hurtin our heads and stuff.

Blogger VFM bot #188 August 18, 2015 7:36 AM  

Stupidity is the only universal capital crime: the sentence is death, there is no appeal, and execution is carried out automatically and without pity.

Applies not only to individuals but also to societies, cultures, polities, civilizations, and empires. All ultimately collapse and die. Could it be that stupidity is the ultimate, supreme solvent of...everything?

Blogger S1AL August 18, 2015 7:37 AM  

Setting aside the issue of immigration, I'm not at all confident in this study as an accurate measure of intelligence. I've never seen any comparison of reaction time with g, and both VD and many commenters here have noted that twitch reflexes and intelligence are highly divergent.

This study also contradicts every other study done in the issue to date, especially all analyses of the Flynn Effect. It's particularly bothersome that the author proposes that this is an "IQ" analysis.

Anonymous Geoff August 18, 2015 7:46 AM  

Hockey goalies must have IQs of at least 150.

Blogger Nate August 18, 2015 7:48 AM  

immigration cannot explain the reduction in world IQ obviously. And I am not certain we can blame it all on genetics... though that would be nice.

i don't know mate... attempting to track something as giant and complex as world IQ seems a bit daft to me as a proposition. Sort of like GDP.

Anonymous buzzcut #207 August 18, 2015 7:48 AM  

Georgia's in Florida. Dumbass.

Anonymous PA August 18, 2015 7:56 AM  

"And I am not certain we can blame it all on genetics"

Two developments have emerged worldwide: global charity networks have led to an exolosion of lowest-class women's fecundity. Urbanization, even in shithole regions, vacuums up the smarter women.

Anonymous Gapeseed August 18, 2015 8:03 AM  

No internet, late-night television, or even good evening lighting means that the nineteenth century subject was probably better rested than his 21st century counterpart and thus better prepared for this sort of testing.

Blogger Nate August 18, 2015 8:07 AM  

"Two developments have emerged worldwide: global charity networks have led to an exolosion of lowest-class women's fecundity. "

and you're ignoring facts that don't fit your narrative. For example.. 70 years ago DDT had all but eliminated malaria in africa. Then Silent Sprint came out and it was band and hundreds of millions die every single year to it.

Blogger Nate August 18, 2015 8:09 AM  

of course... re-reading my own comment... one could easily conclude that the science is correct and we're all turning to morons. band.. sprint... /facepalm

Anonymous Pope Cleophus I August 18, 2015 8:10 AM  

Television is the chief robber of intellect. It's a one sided exchange that doesn't stimulate the average mind to seek more. TV is a filling meal of empty calories.

Blogger Aurini August 18, 2015 8:10 AM  

This goes a long way to explaining the ubiquity of bad interfaces on devices - Apple, Windows 8, and touch-scree-only phones.

Blogger S1AL August 18, 2015 8:11 AM  

Marriage and child-beating becoming socially unfashionable in UMC circles is certainly an issue...

Interestingly enough, if actually argue that moderate levels of "urbanization" were actually the original driving factor in the increase in intelligence levels. Note where the highest IQ locations around the world appear to have developed.

Blogger VD August 18, 2015 8:14 AM  

This study also contradicts every other study done in the issue to date, especially all analyses of the Flynn Effect.

No, it doesn't. And they have taken the Flynn Effect into account. The theory is that the problem is actually worse than it appears because the Flynn Effect is masking it.

I've never seen any comparison of reaction time with g, and both VD and many commenters here have noted that twitch reflexes and intelligence are highly divergent.

You know in addition to having an unusually high IQ, I am also a former 100 meter sprinter, right? My twitch reflexes have always been extraordinarily fast. But this is a specific twitch reflex that connects to visual reactions.

and you're ignoring facts that don't fit your narrative.

No, he's not. You're looking at one specific cause of death and ignoring the overall population explosion in the Third World.

Anonymous Mike M. August 18, 2015 8:18 AM  

The reaction time to IQ correlation fits my own observations. Top fencers, especially, tend to be very intelligent.

Anonymous Stephen J. August 18, 2015 8:19 AM  

I don't buy the reaction speed - IQ link either. Too many world class athletes do too much stupid crap and demonstrate world class ignorance in too many other areas.

That said, I agree the problem may well be that our smartest people aren't bearing or fathering enough kids, but I don't think immigration or hybridization is the cause there. I blame -- hang on, let me get my bifocals, cane and false teeth -- the Sexual Revolution and cheap easy contraception, and the collapse of family stability in the middle class which made the education needed to develop IQ potential so much harder to get.

Blogger Josh August 18, 2015 8:26 AM  

I've never seen any comparison of reaction time with g, and both VD and many commenters here have noted that twitch reflexes and intelligence are highly divergent.

What's the relationship between reaction times and athleticism? For example, black athleticism compared to IQ.

Blogger VD August 18, 2015 8:28 AM  

I don't buy the reaction speed - IQ link either. Too many world class athletes do too much stupid crap and demonstrate world class ignorance in too many other areas.

That's presumably because you have excessively slow visual reaction speed yourself. Your objection indicates that you didn't understand what you read. World class athletes don't necessarily have fast visual reaction speed because that primarily measures brain processes, not the sort of physical reactions involved in athletic endeavors.

The correlation exists whether you buy it or not. It has been observed for more than a century.

Blogger Nate August 18, 2015 8:38 AM  

"'No, he's not. You're looking at one specific cause of death and ignoring the overall population explosion in the Third World."

Which happens to be killing 200 million a year... the vast majority of which are africans.

Looking at the population density maps circa 2006 I can't help but note that the most dense is India. In 1960 India had about 400 million... now it has almost 1.5 billion. China went from around 700 million to 1.36 billion.

in that same period the US population only rose 100 million or so.

So we have a massive downward pressure on the africa population that brings IQ down.... we have a population explosion in India that brings down... but at the same time we have a massive population explosion in China... which has a very high IQ and thus would bring the average up.

its not reasonable to simply throw out the phrase "third world population explosion" when one of the biggest most notable population explosions didn't happen in the third world.




Blogger S1AL August 18, 2015 8:54 AM  

It's a fairly low-level correlation between g and reaction time, at least for what is being measured by this experiment. Does the full paper analyze SD as well as averages?

I'm also curious which environmental factors were controlled, if any, as well as how, exactly, one could control for the decline of necessary reflex reactions in everyday life.

Blogger Nate August 18, 2015 8:57 AM  

"It's a fairly low-level correlation between g and reaction time,"

yep... the reaction time to processing speed correlation is something akin to a tautology.

Blogger bob k. mando August 18, 2015 8:59 AM  

16. IM2L844 August 18, 2015 7:26 AM
I laughed, shook my head, recommended they think a little deeper about how they reconcile those two certainties and walked away.



you missed a chance to confront them about their inherent racism and sexism. Tom Brady is guilty because he's a rich, handsome, white man with a super model wife.




4. Giuseppe The Kurgan August 18, 2015 6:15 AM
that smartphones etc all help lower general IQ by lowering attention spans.


this surely damages critical thinking and consideration skills.

but those require reflection and time.

i doubt very much that they have any significant impact on twitch reflexes or the learning thereof.



19. S1AL August 18, 2015 7:37 AM
It's particularly bothersome that the author proposes that this is an "IQ" analysis.



exactly. it's possible this a proxy record of the historical IQ abilities in pretty much the same what the Mann's tree rings are a proxy for world wide climate.

otoh, have you seen any of the tests from back around 1900? ignore all the archaic measurement systems. look at the broad range of knowledge that children were expected to know and be aware of.




32. Stephen J. August 18, 2015 8:19 AM
I don't buy the reaction speed - IQ link either. Too many world class athletes do too much stupid crap



a - foolish /= stupid, and only a fool would mistake the latter for the former

b - what percentage of the population are professional athletes? uh huh, and you don't think that there might be enough outliers in order to fill those slots?

c - there is a huge difference between the explosive action produced by a large percentageof fast twitch muscle fibers and fast visual reaction times.

why was Larry Bird able to compete in the NBA? physically, he wasn't that impressive of a specimen. certainly not as physically capable as Magic or many of the other top end black athletes.

but he was always a half step ahead of everybody in every situation which did not require absolute physical speed ...



VD
After all, you have to be pretty damn stupid and scientifically ignorant to believe in human equality anymore.



well you see, Darwin and Evolution teach us that a worldwide population of a given animal will never establish any specialization effects or isolate population groups ...

no, wait. that doesn't seem right.

Blogger VD August 18, 2015 9:04 AM  

Which happens to be killing 200 million a year... the vast majority of which are africans.

Totally irrelevant, Nate. You need to get off your hobby horse and pay attention to the relevant statistic, which is the African population.

"The UN Population Fund stated in 2009 that the population of Africa had hit the one billion mark and had therefore doubled in size over the course of 27 years. As of 2015, the population estimates are around 1.166 billion."

Even with the malaria deaths, there are more than twice as many Africans as there were 30 years ago. 500 million to 1.2 billion. That's why even Nigeria can't feed itself anymore.

Blogger Nate August 18, 2015 9:22 AM  

"Even with the malaria deaths, there are more than twice as many Africans as there were 30 years ago. 500 million to 1.2 billion."

And you're ignoring an equally large population growth in on of the highest IQ populations in the world.

700 million to 1.4 billion.



Blogger VD August 18, 2015 9:26 AM  

And you're ignoring an equally large population growth in on of the highest IQ populations in the world.

Not at all. The problem is that the Chinese IQ advantage is smaller than the African disadvantage. Also, contra popular opinion, India is very low IQ. They have a lot of smart people, but a lot more not smart people.

Anonymous Mobutu August 18, 2015 9:31 AM  

Funny, on that chart, they show Africa. Go figure...

Anonymous Eric Ashley August 18, 2015 9:35 AM  

In about seventy generations, not accounting for war or genetic engineering, the average human will be one half as competent mentally, emotionally, and physically as now.

This is the 14th gen since America had its Restoration Revolution.

Anonymous That Would Be Telling August 18, 2015 9:36 AM  

"But stupidity is the only universal capital crime: the sentence is death...."

I have to wonder how that's been less true with the development of modern medicine, which I will simply to the development of many effective antibiotics. I'm wondering how much intelligence is linked to decreased probability of getting infected with something that will kill you absent getting an antibiotic.

Blogger pyrrhus August 18, 2015 9:41 AM  

Professors Michael Woodley and Bruce Charlton have been famously researching and writing about this topic for a long time, I'm surprised their work was not acknowledged ...They currently believe that western society has lost between 20 and 30 IQ points since 1800, largely due to accumulation of negative mutations because of the welfare State, as well as dysgenic breeding...

Anonymous Stephen J. August 18, 2015 9:44 AM  

"Your objection indicates that you didn't understand what you read."

You are correct, I skimmed too hastily. I will in my own defense attribute this to laziness -- a flaw I well know myself to possess -- rather than low IQ, though I grant the distinction may be academic.

That said, I think my other point is still relevant: without knowing the ethno-racial makeup of the sample groups -- a data point that was never mentioned and thus, I gather, never collected -- inferring correlations between IQ decline and population mixing is guesswork at best. The general infrequency with which ethnically distinct population subgroups actually interbreed is also worth bearing in mind; being "mixed-race" is still unusual enough to stand out in any given neighbourhood. I still think the popularity of contraception, the delaying of childbirth and the decline in family size among the affluent West is a more applicable factor.

Blogger VD August 18, 2015 9:47 AM  

You are correct, I skimmed too hastily. I will in my own defense attribute this to laziness -- a flaw I well know myself to possess -- rather than low IQ, though I grant the distinction may be academic.

No worries, although I would think that you've been around here long enough to know better.

That said, I think my other point is still relevant: without knowing the ethno-racial makeup of the sample groups -- a data point that was never mentioned and thus, I gather, never collected -- inferring correlations between IQ decline and population mixing is guesswork at best.

Sure, and considering that New Scientist has already scrubbed the article, what are the chances we'd ever see that being properly studied? Remember, the differences could well be even worse depending upon how the population groups were sampled.

Anonymous Jonathan August 18, 2015 9:52 AM  

Gregory Cochrane, who is explicitly HBD aware, has roundly rejected the claim that intelligence has dropped by almost one SD. His background is theoretical physics and he is currently a professor of evolutionary biology (I believe at Utah). I still agree intelligence has probably declined since the Victorian era but not nearly by this much

Cochrane's blog is called West Hunter and there are a few posts from around a year ago discussing this topic.

Blogger Stilicho #0066 August 18, 2015 9:52 AM  

Which Chinese sub-group experienced the largest population increase? The Han or the less intelligent varieties?

Blogger Nate August 18, 2015 9:53 AM  

"Also, contra popular opinion, India is very low IQ. They have a lot of smart people, but a lot more not smart people."

india average IQ is what.. like 80?

But the have that caste system that protects the IQ of the ruling caste... which is tiny but powerful.. if I am remembering right its stupid high.. like jew high.

Blogger Nate August 18, 2015 9:55 AM  

I think you're correct that the China population explosion could counter act the Indian one... but not the african one.

But africa is poor and segregated.. to the point that its population and low IQ isn't a problem.

India's is.. because its run by some very intelligent people... and therefore it's economy and impact are much more prevalent... which means we are forced to deal with indians with much greater regularity.

Anonymous Mobutu August 18, 2015 9:58 AM  

"...which means we are forced to deal with indians with much greater regularity."

Never been to Baltimore?

Anonymous cheddarman August 18, 2015 10:09 AM  

I would not be surprised if the Chinese develop an IQ focused eugenics program in the near future. I have an immigrant friend that is Chinese. He told me his IQ is 134. The pressure he experienced from his family and culture to do well in academia is something most westerners probably would not believe.

Anonymous bbtp August 18, 2015 10:12 AM  

Great post. Graph is related and strongly pro-click:

http://i.imgur.com/dGUY8xN.png

Anonymous Andrew E. August 18, 2015 10:14 AM  

VD, Bruce Charlton and Michael Woodley have written much about the decline in Western IQ (based on British populations). The basic idea is that the advent of the industrial revolution (begun first in Britain) reduced child mortality rates so completely that genetic mutations which occur in every generation because of entropy have accumulated over many generations drastically reducing IQ (as measured through simple reaction times). Additionally, the most elite have chosen to have fewer children while the least genetically fit have continued to reproduce at above replacement levels with all their children surviving to reproduction age where this was not the case before the industrial revolution.

In short, the higher average IQ's of the recent past were a mostly a product of 95% child mortality rates that prevailed for most of history before the industrial revolution. FYI, Dr. Charlton is a believing Christian.

http://iqpersonalitygenius.blogspot.co.uk/search?q=mutation+accumulation+


Blogger Josh August 18, 2015 10:16 AM  

Which Chinese sub-group experienced the largest population increase? The Han or the less intelligent varieties?


90% of the Chinese are Han, so I would assume they did.

Blogger Nate August 18, 2015 10:16 AM  

"Never been to Baltimore?"

I don't know why anyone would go to Balitmore... and if they were dumb enough to do so... anything that happens to them is their own fault.

Regardless the population of africa has nothing to do with the IQ issues in America.

The IQ issue in america has much more to do with importing millions and millions of 80 iq mexicans.

Anonymous Sheila August 18, 2015 10:17 AM  

Vox, the study notes that higher IQ women have fewer children and claims that's been noted for the past 100 years. What studies are there that demonstrate this pre 1950? Are they solely in America? Obviously feminism has had a hugely dysgenic effect on the population since 1950, but other than a smarter White women in 1915 choosing to have 5 living children instead of an African having 12 with 3 living to adulthood, has this truly been a pattern for that long? For a slightly larger than anecdotal experience, I've noted in my genealogical research that numerous immigrant families and their American-born children, particularly ones which had moved into the white collar professions, still had 5-10 children. It wasn't until the '30s that family size started shrinking dramatically, and I would argue that could be attributed easily to economic factors.

Also contra Nate, I've read that China's overall IQ, like India's, is not nearly as high as has been assumed. They carefully test the smarter segment of their population which, admittedly, is quite smart, but they too have a huge number of not particularly clever people. Finally, doesn't the vaunted Ashkenazi IQ claim rest on tests done primarily in the 1920s - 1940s? Have there been any that specifically break out Ashkenazi IQ since, say, 1975?

Blogger Nate August 18, 2015 10:20 AM  

american blacks have an IQ average of about 85? verses african blacks of like 65?

is this correct?

Anonymous liljoe August 18, 2015 10:24 AM  

this explains why Major League Baseball players are such geniuses....30 mil/yr to pitch once every 5 days for 6 mos...good work if you can get it

Anonymous cheddarman August 18, 2015 10:25 AM  

@ 58 "Regardless the population of Africa has nothing to do with the IQ issues in America." I will tell that to 40 - 50,000 Somalians living in my city

Blogger RobertDWood August 18, 2015 10:25 AM  

I couldn't find this data in the article or the linked to Wikipedia story on the chronometer/visual response metric, but I'll ask:
Once a mind is fully developed, reaction speed will decline with age. Are these tests comparing similar age brackets?
Or if they are comparing a broad spectrum of the population are the more recent results showing a decline in reaction time, and thereby IQ, on account of a higher age median in the study group?

Blogger RobertDWood August 18, 2015 10:26 AM  

I couldn't find this data in the article or the linked to Wikipedia story on the chronometer/visual response metric, but I'll ask:
Once a mind is fully developed, reaction speed will decline with age. Are these tests comparing similar age brackets?
Or if they are comparing a broad spectrum of the population are the more recent results showing a decline in reaction time, and thereby IQ, on account of a higher age median in the study group?

Blogger RobertDWood August 18, 2015 10:26 AM  

I couldn't find this data in the article or the linked to Wikipedia story on the chronometer/visual response metric, but I'll ask:
Once a mind is fully developed, reaction speed will decline with age. Are these tests comparing similar age brackets?
Or if they are comparing a broad spectrum of the population are the more recent results showing a decline in reaction time, and thereby IQ, on account of a higher age median in the study group?

Anonymous cheddarman August 18, 2015 10:29 AM  

Wicherts, Dolan, and van der Maas (2009) contend that the average IQ of sub-Saharan Africans is about 80. A critical evaluation of the studies presented by WDM shows that many of these are based on unrepresentative elite samples. We show that studies of 29 acceptably representative samples on tests other than the Progressive Matrices give a sub-Saharan Africa IQ of 69; studies of the most satisfactory representative samples on the Standard Progressive Matrices give an IQ of 66; studies of 23 acceptably representative samples on the Colored Progressive Matrices give an IQ of 71. The international studies of mathematics, science, and reading give a sub-Saharan African IQ of 66. The four data sets can be averaged to give an IQ of 68 as the best reading of the IQ in sub-Saharan Africa. Lynn and Meisenberg, 2010. Intelligence. Volume 38, pages 21-29

Anonymous Jim Milo August 18, 2015 10:32 AM  

This is why I loathe 'skeptics' since most are useful idiots for the status quo narrative.

Anonymous Jonathan August 18, 2015 10:33 AM  

Cheddar man china's IQ project is already taking shape. It's not explicitly eugenics but has the same effect. Johnson derbyshore wrote about it several years ago. Steve Hsu Is another good source for Chinese research on human behavior and intelligence

Blogger Nate August 18, 2015 10:34 AM  

ok... so how much of the iq difference between american blacks and african blacks is genetic and how much of it is diet/other factors?

also.. if genetics has brought up the ameican black IQ has it also brought down the american white IQ?

And how does the habit of lumping hispanics in with whites factor into IQ calculations?

Anonymous rycamor August 18, 2015 10:34 AM  

The causes for IQ decline could well be "all of the above" put together, plus I wouldn't discount the possibility that there are environmental causes. Too many variables to know which, but the fact is that our eating patterns as well as our exposure to industrial chemicals has changed drastically over the past century or so.

Anonymous Jim Milo August 18, 2015 10:35 AM  

Sigh. Above meant for IM2L844.

I keep a DVD of Idiocracy in the car for emergency redpilling.

Anonymous cheddarman August 18, 2015 10:39 AM  

The Genetic Ancestry of African Americans, Latinos, and European Americans across the United States

Katarzyna Bryc1, 2, , , Eric Y. Durand2, J. Michael Macpherson3, David Reich1, 4, 5, Joanna L. Mountain2

according to the above study, African americans are about 74% african, 24% caucasian, 0.8% native american

OpenID corvinus333 August 18, 2015 10:40 AM  

Looking at the population density maps circa 2006 I can't help but note that the most dense is India. In 1960 India had about 400 million... now it has almost 1.5 billion. China went from around 700 million to 1.36 billion.

@36 Nate
China's population explosion is over. Even the momentum is almost over. And India is following China.

Africa's population explosion, OTOH, is showing no signs of ending any time soon.

The relevant measure here is the total fertility rate. Chinese women have about 1.5 kids. You cannot have any population explosion with below-replacement birth rates. And Indian women are down to 2.5. African women are still up at 5, and African Muslim women in the Sahel belt (including Northern Nigeria, home of Boko Haram) are at 6 to 7.

Anonymous Porky August 18, 2015 10:40 AM  

File this under "problems that fix themselves".

Anonymous PA August 18, 2015 10:41 AM  

"I don't know why anyone would go to Balitmore"

Baltimore is becoming shorthand for Congo West like Detroit but it has tons of areas that are pleasant to visit. The west half is all ghetto, as are pockets of othe areason of the city. Upper downtown areas are heavily black but they're an eyesore more than a safety concern, at least in daytime.

However, Federal Hill up to the Inner Harbor is residentially very white, transitioning from working class to SWPL. Same with Fells Point, with pockets of it being heavily hispanic (among whom public drunkenness is the worst of behavior). Much of East Baltimore is still very much White working class. Northern Baltimore is upper middle class residential.

Anonymous Red Comet August 18, 2015 10:43 AM  

World IQ decline has happened because unfit, very low IQ populations have exploded in size thanks to do-gooders giving them food and medicine.

Charity abroad and at home (re: welfare) should require users to pay for by submitting to sterilization.

Blogger Cail Corishev August 18, 2015 10:43 AM  

Yeah, diet has to be part of it. We know gluten affects the brain in ways like depression, so who knows what else it might be doing, and it's drastically increased in the diet in the last century. I'd bet that inflammation from seed oils plays a part too.

Which doesn't take away from Vox's point about demographics bringing down averages. But it also looks to me like white people are dumber than white people used to be.

Anonymous Monkey Boy August 18, 2015 10:45 AM  

The drop in British IQ's is easy to explain. Irish immigration has lowered there collective IQ dramatically. Between 20 and 25% of Brits now have Irish ancestry and they have the lowest IQ's in Europe. Look at city's with large percentages of people who have Irish ancestry and you'll see that there behind in terms of education, have higher crime rates and higher rates of unemployment. The Irish have destroyed Britian.

Anonymous Huckleberry August 18, 2015 10:46 AM  

Women having children later in life also plays a significant role, as ovum quality diminishes with the mother's age. Chances are that the same mother will have a higher IQ child at 26 than she will at 36, and how many women have been waiting till past 40 to have kids in the past decade?

Blogger Nate August 18, 2015 10:46 AM  

"according to the above study, African americans are about 74% african, 24% caucasian, 0.8% native american"

Ok... but if the claim is american whites are bringing up the african IQ due to genetics... then the africans should bringing down the american white IQ for the same reasons.

Do we see that?

Blogger Nate August 18, 2015 10:47 AM  

I know the effect would be muted due to the population sizes involved.. but we should still see a dip compared to other more... lilly white... populations.

Anonymous Porky August 18, 2015 10:49 AM  

Charity abroad and at home (re: welfare) should require users to pay for by submitting to sterilization.

Wouldn't it make more sense to breed them as a source of food?

Blogger Nate August 18, 2015 10:49 AM  

"Women having children later in life also plays a significant role, as ovum quality diminishes with the mother's age. "

yep.

There are numerous factors to consider.

A nation is better off looking at itself and its own controllable behaviors than it is worrying about do-gooders in africa.

Africa's population may bring down the world's IQ... but it only effects america if america imports large amounts of africans.

Anonymous Whitey McWhite August 18, 2015 10:50 AM  

Being aborted is a universal capital crime. And contraception, which smart women practice more consistently and effectively, has the same multi-generational effect.

Blogger dc.sunsets August 18, 2015 10:52 AM  

bringing in 50 million lower-IQ immigrants and breeding with them.

Watching otherwise middle-class women sport colorful tattoos across wide swaths of skin reminds me that the female of the species is visibly pulled by fashion and fad much harder than males (and all mass-minded people herd hard.)

It is astonishing to see so many young women line up to enter sexual relationships with males that are so demonstrably stupid and useless, yet today's Left-dominated fashion is headache-inducingly evident.

The promise of her tattoos eventually coming to resemble a 2 year old's crayon drawing after it has been melted in an oven is no more present in her mind than the promise of sons and daughters handicapped by the stupidity-variant and poor-impulse-control-variant of the genes from the bad-boy gangsta' to whom she whores herself.

The masses are doomed by the actions of the individuals who wallow in mass-mindedness. Eventually stupidity combined with high time preference must bring about a mass extinction of those so afflicted.

Blogger VD August 18, 2015 10:54 AM  

Gregory Cochrane, who is explicitly HBD aware, has roundly rejected the claim that intelligence has dropped by almost one SD.

I find it hard to believe it has dropped THAT much myself. But the logic suggests it must have dropped to some extent.

if genetics has brought up the ameican black IQ has it also brought down the american white IQ?

No, because American whites are almost completely white.

And how does the habit of lumping hispanics in with whites factor into IQ calculations?

I don't know if they're doing that or not. But Hispanics obviously affect the declining national average, since they have lower average IQs.

Anonymous Donn #0114 August 18, 2015 10:55 AM  

I'd love to see a break out of the whites from various countries vs the Victorians. Those are the stats that are directly comparable. Unless the Victorians included a bunch of Jamaican dockworkers or something. The only thing to really compare is the original with their actual descendents the kids of a Barbados sugar cane cutter aren't going to reach white historical averages no matter what the Flynn effect does.

Bruce Charlton has been saying this for some time now. I think there are three factors. First, is that all women except those of low intelligence have cut back on children. Second, we're comparing Victorians to people from Lake Victoria, hardly fair. Third, we are more sedentary and our pastimes are all designed for passive use or nearly passive use. They actively limit our body motion and fitness, narrow our field of vision and our ability to process what we see, and do not challenge us in the least.

I see the achievements of my grandparents and great grandparents and know that I am not their equal. I certainly know my spare time is not spent in anything like the productive manner in which theirs was.

Anonymous BigGaySteve August 18, 2015 10:56 AM  

Political correctness is a war on noticing, and this test is based on peoples ability to notice.

Blogger VD August 18, 2015 10:56 AM  

Africa's population may bring down the world's IQ... but it only effects america if america imports large amounts of africans.

Exactly. I'm not concerned about global IQ. I'm more concerned about declining Western IQ. And once the Chinese take over Africa, I suspect global IQ will suddenly rise. The Chinese don't give a damn and if they decide to colonize, they'll take it and exterminate the local fauna.

David Wingate's Chung Kuo even predicts that.

Blogger dc.sunsets August 18, 2015 10:59 AM  

Anecdotally, my 4th grade teacher wife claims that year-over-year she can see a quite noticeable decline in both intelligence and self-control each of the past 4 or 5 years.

Prior to that, she suggests that such a noticeable decline was only evident over a longer period, more like 4-5 years. The downtrend is thus accelerating in her little anecdotal world, and she began teaching over 30 years ago.

Of course, this has nothing to do with the school at which she teaches becoming an ELL (English-language-learners) magnet school a couple years ago, where kids whose families speak a language at home other than English are now being concentrated. (wink)

Blogger Nate August 18, 2015 10:59 AM  

"I don't know if they're doing that or not"

its done enough that we have to consider it I think.

Blogger dc.sunsets August 18, 2015 11:02 AM  

if genetics has brought up the ameican black IQ has it also brought down the american white IQ?

No, because American whites are almost completely white.


Artifact based on the fact that even some white people now are trying to claim they're black in order to cash in on all the Gibsmedats.

I doubt there's a youtube in existence of a black kid wishing aloud that he was white. Then we have Rachael whats-her-name.... (Sorry, fell of the chair laughing at that one....)

Anonymous Monkey Boy August 18, 2015 11:04 AM  

I talked about this on the blog a few years ago, I don't have all the same information at hand, but whites kids are getting dumber. All you have to do is look at SAT scores.


"The test scoring was initially scaled to make 500 the mean score on each section with a standard deviation of 100.[26] As the test grew more popular and more students from less rigorous schools began taking the test, the average dropped to about 428 Verbal and 478 Math. The SAT was “recentered” in 1995, and the average “new” score became again close to 500. Scores awarded after 1994 and before October 2001 are officially reported with an “R” (e.g. 1260R) to reflect this change. Old scores may be recentered to compare to 1995 to present scores by using official College Board tables,[27] which in the middle ranges add about 70 points to Verbal and 20 or 30 points to Math. In other words, current students have a 100 (70 plus 30) point advantage over their parents."

For 1972–1986 a formula was applied to the original mean and standard deviation to convert the mean to the recentered scale. For 1987–1995 individual student scores were converted to the recentered scale and then the mean was recomputed. From 1996–1999, nearly all students received scores on the recentered scale. Any score on the original scale was converted to the recentered scale prior to computing the mean. From 2000–2011, all scores are reported on the recentered scale. Cohort data presented prior to 2007 include students testing through March of the senior year, while cohort data from 2007 to present include students testing through June. For further information see www.collegeboard.org/sat/cbs-2011-trends.



"During the 1960s and early 1970s, spending on education soared, but scores on the SAT plunged after peaking in 1963-64. In part, this was because the pool of test-takers increased, but in 1977, a panel organized by the College Board found that the decline was also caused by lowered expectations, reduced homework, and increasing numbers of non-academic courses.26 In fact, from 1972-1994, there was a 37 percent decline in the number of students who scored above 700 and a 50 percent decline in the number of students who scored above 750 on the SAT; since this is a decline of absolute numbers with high scores, not of the percentage with high scores, it cannot be explained by the larger pool of students taking the test.27

What should be made of a 50 per cent decline among the most rarefied group of test takers, those who score above 750? 2,817 American students reached this pinnacle in 1972; 1,438 did in 1994 — when kids took a much easier test. Can a 50 per cent decline occur in 22 years without signaling that some massive leveling in the public school mind is underway?"


The absolute numbers of test-takers scoring over 700 has declined very significantly as well. What this means is that even as the U.S. population has greatly increased, the number of very smart people in the U.S. (as measured by SAT scores over 700) has sharply decreased.


The decline becomes much worse when we factor in the second sub-issue, the re-norming of the SAT’s in 1995 which had the practical effect of raising most test scores by between 70 and 100 points. As a result of the re-norming, if we simply compare whites’ scores between the early 1970s and today, without reference to the re-norming (and media reports do not mention it), there has been no decline in whites’ scores. In reality, there has been a white decline of between 70 and 100 points, which the renorming has concealed.


Anonymous mistaben August 18, 2015 11:06 AM  

pyrrhus and Andrew E beat me to it. The work of Charlton and Woodley on this is fantastic. The neatest thing about the process they describe is that it is a built-genetic explanation for why civilizations only last up to about 250 years or ten generations.

RobertDWood:
They account for that (and in fact evidence points to an individual's IQ peaking at full sexual maturity and decreasing from there.) IIRC that was part of how this was discovered. Each generation's reaction time increases over lifetime, but the succeeding generation is a little slower at every phase of life.

Blogger Nate August 18, 2015 11:06 AM  

"All you have to do is look at SAT scores."

I've never been impressed with the SAT as an IQ score. At the high end... yes... but at the low end it tells you nothing. Because you can't control for education.

Blogger Nate August 18, 2015 11:07 AM  

White kids may not be getting dumber... the education system may be getting worse.

Blogger dc.sunsets August 18, 2015 11:11 AM  

White privileged and damn proud of it. You should see all the white privilege I gave my sons! I mean, buckets and buckets of it.
High IQ
Excellent work ethic
Outstanding example of parenting skills
Outstanding example of how to run a marriage
Outstanding instruction on money management
Excellent self-control
Excellent skills at planning and delayed gratification
Debt-free college education
Best of all: Ability to find, court and marry young ladies sporting above-average intelligence, sweet dispositions, common sense, desire for partnership marriage and motherhood over dominance and corporate career climbing.

Sadly, like me they suck at basketball. (/s) Few fast-twitch muscle fibers.

Blogger Aeoli Pera August 18, 2015 11:13 AM  

File this under "problems that fix themselves".

I don't want to learn Chinese. It's an ugly language.

Blogger David-093 August 18, 2015 11:15 AM  

@VD

Ann Coulter quoted your post on Facebook and retweeted it. I wonder how much of VP she reads or has read.

Blogger Aeoli Pera August 18, 2015 11:15 AM  

Speaking of, the Chinese are not merely pursuing eugenics, they are also doing genetic engineering using the results from genomic analyses of intelligence. They have a bunch of child prodigies working on it, like a very Chinese-style Manhattan Project.

Anonymous BigGaySteve August 18, 2015 11:17 AM  

"Idiocracy." Which in itself was an example of the decline in quality of Western film.

It was the scariest horror movie I have ever seen. At least its sequel Elysium had hope civilization could go on in space.

immigration cannot explain the reduction in world IQ obviously.

Steve Sailor did a recent bit on Sweden's PISA scores dropping but only 1/3 of the drop can be attributed to immigration. I suggest that teachers have to teach as the ability of the slowest student in their class boring smart kids to death.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/why-are-swedens-pisa-test-scores-falling/

Nate malaria blah blah"Which happens to be killing 200 million a year... the vast majority of which are africans."

Before whitey brought Quinine to Africa the only thing that helped people survive malaria was sickle cell disease, that is why Sickle cell was thought to refute "survival of the fittest" until its malaria resistance was noted because of how prevalent it is in Sub Sahara African bloodlines. Inheriting sickle cell from just one parent gives ~40% of RBCs sickle and some resistance to malaria, but inheriting from both lets them survive malaria easily. Whitey has since discovered local to Africa bad tasting alkaloid plants that can treat malaria but there is no local future orientation to grow/harvest/replant them. If whitey never brought quinine to Sub Sahara Africa & shared it there would sparse populations.

Blogger dc.sunsets August 18, 2015 11:17 AM  

White kids may not be getting dumber... the education system may be getting worse.
Undoubtedly.
The trend is evident by its exceptions. My sons all participated on a high school Math Team and competed at the all-state level. It was math "enrichment" one can't buy at any price. It was a product of an extraordinary and very rare teacher, who retired from teaching 7 years ago and retired from coaching math team a week ago.

I'll never forget Son #1 coming down the steps from a state competition on the Univ. of IL quad with a big smile on his face. "I beat the Asians!" he said with smile. We quickly shushed him and looked about furtively to see if any of the thought police might have heard.

Blogger David-093 August 18, 2015 11:21 AM  

In the United States there've been military reports showing the intelligence of raw recruits has been declining since the late-1800s. Universal public school education began then. Is it possible that this decline in IQ is artificial in nature and not biological?

Blogger Cail Corishev August 18, 2015 11:21 AM  

The drop in British IQ's is easy to explain. Irish immigration has lowered there collective IQ dramatically.

Very efficient of you to build an example right into your claim.

Anonymous Porky August 18, 2015 11:21 AM  

White kids may not be getting dumber

Have you seen the Billboard charts?

Tha Weeknd, Fetty Wap, Drake, Wiz Khalifa... One Direction?!?

Blogger dc.sunsets August 18, 2015 11:23 AM  

I suggest that teachers have to teach as the ability of the slowest student in their class boring smart kids to death.

I hear this from my wife Every. Single. School. Day. She feels like she's committing educational malpractice because she spends 95% of her time just attempting to keep the SpEd kids and the 9-10 year olds who read at K through 2nd grade levels from burning down the school.

When asked, she has (never in writing) suggested to parents of high-trajectory kids that they should consider an alternative to the publics, even though their kids are the only light in her work-world. Our kids were at the same school back in the early 1990's (while my wife was a full-time mom) and it was still okay. Now, we'd no more send them to that school than feed them arsenic.

Blogger dvdivx August 18, 2015 11:24 AM  

Best way to test the diversity influence would be test results in Japan which does not believe in the whole diversity thing and is uniformly Japanese. Or at least as much as it was 28 years ago. Considering the insane number of Africans in the future they won't really be able to test for IQ any more than they can test in Africa now. There has to be something resembling a civilization to test in.

Anonymous cent August 18, 2015 11:24 AM  

If you consider that the highest IQ has been from Singapore, S korea, Japan and HK, it seems to me culture and competition has more to do with IQ than realized. Singapore is fairly diverse country with many different asian subgroup, but has highest average IQ. Being a immigrant from S korea, i know the value they place on education and highly competitive. This leads me to believe that education and training do have rather large effect on the IQ at least at the higher level of potential intelligence. I do think this would account for some of the decline for white population.. So, how do we separate the education vs genetic decline. that is not so easy to measure.

Blogger Aeoli Pera August 18, 2015 11:24 AM  

The question is not whether white kids are less effective thinkers. In every respect, we can observe (easily) that they are less effective at thinking than their ancestors. The question is whether this trend is reversible in the short run, via amygdala stimulation and education which promotes truth rather than lies, or not reversible because it is caused by dysgenics and chemical damage from the environment.

Blogger Nate August 18, 2015 11:29 AM  

"I suggest that teachers have to teach as the ability of the slowest student in their class boring smart kids to death."

Sure but this isn't new here. Its always been this way.

Blogger Aeoli Pera August 18, 2015 11:32 AM  

In the United States there've been military reports showing the intelligence of raw recruits has been declining since the late-1800s. Universal public school education began then. Is it possible that this decline in IQ is artificial in nature and not biological?

It is probably biological because it's been going on for a long time. Western Civilization was an aberration from the prevailing dysgenia of the last 10,000-30,000 years or so. It is still true that only Jesus can save us.

Blogger Tommy Hass August 18, 2015 11:37 AM  

"it seems to me culture and competition has more to do with IQ than realized. Singapore is fairly diverse country with many different asian subgroup, but has highest average IQ. "

1. No.

2. It draws the smartest among Chinese, Malays and Bindis.

Blogger Tommy Hass August 18, 2015 11:39 AM  

"I hear this from my wife Every. Single. School. Day. She feels like she's committing educational malpractice because she spends 95% of her time just attempting to keep the SpEd kids and the 9-10 year olds who read at K through 2nd grade levels from burning down the school."

That's why there's a 3 tiered system in Krautland.

Blogger Cail Corishev August 18, 2015 11:43 AM  

White kids may not be getting dumber... the education system may be getting worse.

I don't think there's any doubt about that. While I was in school (70s/80s), the schools were teaching less and less. But now they've converted over to anti-education, actively making kids dumber than if they'd spent their days eating dirt in the backyard.

Blogger Tom August 18, 2015 11:44 AM  

They don't want facts. They "feel" but they don't think.

Blogger Aeoli Pera August 18, 2015 11:44 AM  

Sure but this isn't new here. Its always been this way.

Always = 150 years, max. Beforehand, "The Last of the Mohicans" would have outsold "50 Shades of Rape".

Anonymous cent August 18, 2015 11:47 AM  

@112 I can accept that singapore and hk could benefit from being a destination for cream of the crop from nearby population, but not in its entirety.

I have not found a good data on IQ from North Korea. That would be an interesting comparison on effect of culture and education.

Blogger Aeoli Pera August 18, 2015 11:52 AM  

"Looking back, abundant data exist from states like Connecticut and Massachusetts to show that by 1 840 the incidence of complex literacy in the United States was between 93 and 100 percent wherever such a thing mattered. According to the Connecticut census of 1840, only one citizen out of every 579 was illiterate and you probably don't want to know, not really, what people in those days considered literate; it's too embarrassing. Popular novels of the period give a clue: Last of the Mohicans, published in 1826, sold so
well that a contemporary equivalent would have to move 10 million copies to match it. If you pick up an uncut version you find yourself in a dense thicket of philosophy, history, culture, manners, politics, geography, analysis of human motives and actions, all conveyed in data-rich periodic sentences so formidable only a determined and well- educated reader can handle it nowadays. Yet in 1818 we were a small-farm nation without colleges or universities to speak of. Could those simple folk have had more complex minds than our own?"

-John Taylor Gatto

Anonymous BGS August 18, 2015 11:54 AM  

What if only the smartest North Koreans survived?

And you're ignoring an equally large population growth in on of the highest IQ populations in the world.

I usually argue that Asians are on par or better with whites on math, but we get a bit of apex fallacy with the Asians in the US. The poorest neighborhoods in the US where Chinatowns but also mostly male so only the smart/successful got to breed, China's 1 child policy with massively more males will also make the stupidest men not breed the reverse of welfare blacks. The ones from India are from the smartest/ smallest of the 5 castes which is why India has more cell phones than toilets. The Chinese you see are like the George Clooney level of actors, while there are plenty more dinner theater level actors in the US.

I'm wondering how much intelligence is linked to decreased probability of getting infected with something that will kill you absent getting an antibiotic.

The gay meningitis outbreak after hurricane Sandy tracked back to a single bathhouse, that people couldn't wait to be cleaned supports this.

I don't know why anyone would go to Balitmore... and if they were dumb enough to do so

A friend of mine moved there to a place dead center of the 12 gay bars, then became a race realist.

american blacks have an IQ average of about 85? verses african blacks of like 65? is this correct?

The first number is agreed upon by several sources and is the reason the bar for being to retarded to execute was lowered to 70, the African blacks is around 70 for the entire sub continent but "IQ & the wealth of nations"" The global bell curve" have some African nations in the 50s for average IQ, Coco the sign language using gorilla has been measured at 65.

Singapore is fairly diverse country with many different asian subgroup, but has highest average IQ.

Same reason Microsoft has higher IQ workers than the nearest McDonalds.

Blogger VD August 18, 2015 11:58 AM  

She feels like she's committing educational malpractice because she spends 95% of her time just attempting to keep the SpEd kids and the 9-10 year olds who read at K through 2nd grade levels from burning down the school.

Why doesn't she just let them do it? That's not her job, after all.

it seems to me culture and competition has more to do with IQ than realized.

Congratulations on your ability to draw precisely the wrong lesson from the data.

Blogger valiance. August 18, 2015 12:08 PM  

A 15 point, *genetic* IQ gap between Victorian (whites) and modern (whites of similar class) is total codswallop.

I second what @49 said, check out greg cochran for the definitive take:
1. the math doesnt work: https://westhunt.wordpress.com/2013/06/07/the-breeders-equation/

2. it makes no sense: https://westhunt.wordpress.com/2014/03/05/outliers/
https://westhunt.wordpress.com/2012/11/04/the-long-and-short-of-it/

3. and lastly, the whole thing is an artifact of selection bias. See the detailed fisking at SSC: http://slatestarcodex.com/2013/05/22/the-wisdom-of-the-ancients/

The dysgenic effect of intelligent women breeding less than their dimmer sistren is only about -.5 to -1 IQ points per generation.

That said population replacement via immigration/emigration, and comparison of unlike populations (class and race) can drastically change national IQ scores over short time periods. This says nothing about the underlying genetics.

Blogger dc.sunsets August 18, 2015 12:11 PM  

Why doesn't she just let them do it? That's not her job, after all.

Sadly, she cannot escape responsibility for the few "normal" students left in the room. We all know that this oppressive system (not just schools) would implode the instant capable people stopped working. Going Galt, however romantic it sounds, just violates most (productive) people's sensibilities as far as I can tell.

At least for the moment. When the credit bubble finally burns like the Hindenburg, and the 80th-99.9th percentiles (the productive backbone of Western Civ) gets bitch-slapped nearly to death by revelation of lies embedded by mostly Left-collectivists these past 40-50 years, a massive Galt sit-in (stay-home) might be exactly what happens.

I don't know, however. My crystal ball is still broken.

Anonymous Donn #0114 August 18, 2015 12:11 PM  

BGS @119 There's a lot of 'Clever Hans' going on with animals like Coco in intelligence studies.When independent people look at the animals they find many vague gestures that the handlers interpret as actual sign language, the handlers giving unconscious cues etc. Their money comes from how smart and remarkable the gorilla is. Nobody's going to give a grant for Bobo who watches JP Patches at the grocery store window. They want something extraordinary.

Anonymous europeasant August 18, 2015 12:24 PM  

@Nate
"I've never been impressed with the SAT as an IQ score. At the high end... yes... but at the low end it tells you nothing. Because you can't control for education."

The US government in the early seventies outlawed IQ tests because of Disparate Impact against You Know Who( hint; they are involved with large amount of violent crime). ! Now a days schools use memorization to replace IQ tests. Memorization takes a lot of time but that and cheating will close "The GAP". just kidding.

Anonymous Bz August 18, 2015 1:10 PM  

If you track down the actual paper, Michael Woodley is the corresponding author, so I expect his work is accurately accounted for. I see that Bruce Charlton is acknowledged too.

Here is an exchange between Charlton and Cochrane by the way: https://westhunt.wordpress.com/2013/06/07/the-breeders-equation/#comment-14429

I'm not familiar with the field myself, so I'll leave it at that.

Anonymous RedJack #22 August 18, 2015 1:13 PM  

Looking at world wide IQ, I often wonder a few things.
1. How many are tested today that wouldn't have been tested 30 years ago? We had standardized testing when I was kid, and I remember a few in my school being told to go color on those days.
2. Is there reverse selection bias? I mean a school or state will get more money if they claim they have under performing students.

But, all that aside, I agree with the observation. My Grandfather had an 8th grade education, but understood more about finance and the markets than my cousin who has a college degree. Of course in his generation, it was viewed as an asset to be smart, not something to hide like now. My wife teaches, and many of the smart kids will flunk tests in order to be "cool". They pass on the retake without any extra studying.

One thing I have noticed is that the kids at my oldest's private school are a few notches above the kids in our hometown elementary school. Part of it is better teaching, but a large part of it is the fact that those who care will send their kids to the private school. It self selects for higher IQ.

Anonymous Credo in Unum Deum August 18, 2015 1:24 PM  

In my opinion, the smartest man alive today would be Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI.

Before him, would be St. Thomas Aquinas.

Before him, would be St. Augustine of Hippo.

Anyone who has tried to work through a modern copy of the Monastic Diurnal would immediately know that Medieval Monks were smarter than us today.

Anonymous Nathaniel August 18, 2015 1:26 PM  

You may be interested in Dr. Charlton's work in this regard. His studies lead to the idea of mutation accumulation as a side-effect of lower mortality and differential fertility patterns.

http://iqpersonalitygenius.blogspot.com

Anonymous mistaben August 18, 2015 1:45 PM  

valiance.:

Either Charlton or te Nijenhuis respond in the comments to three of the four posts you suggested, responding to various criticisms of their work.

Cochrane's stupidest argument is that we have just as many geniuses today in math and physics as we did 100 years ago. It should take you (and Greg) less than 15 minutes of pondering to realize that this can't possibly be true.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents August 18, 2015 1:59 PM  


it seems to me culture and competition has more to do with IQ than realized.


VD
Congratulations on your ability to draw precisely the wrong lesson from the data.

The blank slate fallacy has been pounded into people's heads for generations. It can be difficult to get that wrong idea unstuck all the way. I've seen college faculty talk about children, and how much the child can be like one parent or the other, and then turn right around for a second glass of wine while prattling on about how Head Start is a great program. It's like a virtualized platform; one minute it's running O/S A, the next it's turned into an O/S B machine.

The blank slate is behind a lot of stupid, dangerous and evil things, no surprise it doesn't go away easily.

Anonymous Giuseppe The Kurgan August 18, 2015 2:07 PM  

i doubt very much that they have any significant impact on twitch reflexes or the learning thereof.
A lot of Chinese people live in China.
Also, eggs are not spherical.

OpenID corvinus333 August 18, 2015 2:11 PM  

The drop in British IQ's is easy to explain. Irish immigration has lowered there collective IQ dramatically. Between 20 and 25% of Brits now have Irish ancestry and they have the lowest IQ's in Europe. Look at city's with large percentages of people who have Irish ancestry and you'll see that there behind in terms of education, have higher crime rates and higher rates of unemployment. The Irish have destroyed Britian.

@Monkey Boy
Unlikely. Cf: low-class English chavs with those awful accents, and the booming, high-income Irish economy (despite the bank bailouts their leaders have stupidly taken on).

Simply change "Irish" to "Pakistanis" and you might have a point.

White kids may not be getting dumber... the education system may be getting worse.

@96
Yeah. I'm not convinced that white homeschoolers magically have IQs 10+ points higher than those in the public skoolz, unless there was a massive selection effect among the high-IQ whites for homeschooling. Which I doubt.

Blogger dc.sunsets August 18, 2015 2:27 PM  

My wife's experience with homeschoolers has been stupid moms pulling their stupid kids because the moms don't want to believe their stupid kid is stupid. A year later the same stupid kid shows back up to school, a year older, a year of 70 hours-a-week video gaming under his belt, no more educated and even less self-controlled.

Homeschooling is visibly not for everyone.

Anonymous George of the Jungle August 18, 2015 2:28 PM  

As I go through life, the word I use more and more to describe the people I see is 'oblivious'.

Whether this is tied to lower IQ, or instead the leftist milieu that everyone mentally floats around in (like a fish who doesn't understand she is wet), who can say. In the end, it doesn't matter, since society is drastically devolving either way.

Blogger JartStar August 18, 2015 2:34 PM  

@132 corvinus333

It's hard to glean most anything useful from homeschooling data, at least so far, because the children are arguably already the "cream of the crop" when it comes to being lined up for academic success. They generally come from intact, two parent, white, parents are college educated, weekly religious service attendance, homes. If you look at those demographics and the GPA of the students they are nearly identical in public or homeschools.

If there was some way to sift out the demographics and then compare GPA and maybe college/financial success better conclusion could be drawn. Maybe someone has done this, but I haven't seen it.

Blogger Joseph Dooley August 18, 2015 2:39 PM  

I would put George Gilder in the same league of economics writing as Hayek.

Blogger rycamor August 18, 2015 2:46 PM  

@121. valiance. August 18, 2015 12:08 PM

A 15 point, *genetic* IQ gap between Victorian (whites) and modern (whites of similar class) is total codswallop.

I second what @49 said, check out greg cochran for the definitive take:
1. the math doesnt work: https://westhunt.wordpress.com/2013/06/07/the-breeders-equation/

2. it makes no sense: https://westhunt.wordpress.com/2014/03/05/outliers/
https://westhunt.wordpress.com/2012/11/04/the-long-and-short-of-it/

3. and lastly, the whole thing is an artifact of selection bias. See the detailed fisking at SSC: http://slatestarcodex.com/2013/05/22/the-wisdom-of-the-ancients/

The dysgenic effect of intelligent women breeding less than their dimmer sistren is only about -.5 to -1 IQ points per generation.


You realize that there have been about 8 generations since the Victorian times? So the math might not be that far off, aided by other factors.

Blogger ray August 18, 2015 2:58 PM  

"Tom Brady is guilty because he's a rich, handsome, white man with a super model wife."

Nah. Tom Brady is guilty because despite having all those things 'n Super Bowl Rings, he still tried to cheat. To satisfy his I'm Number One! I'm Number One! ego. What's as revealing, is all the folks attempting to justify his cheating, because they're Patriots fans, or White People fans, or on political grounds, or whatever.

Brady cheating is like the black Little League Baseball Champions last year, who cheated to win, then were feted and cheered at the Rainbow House. After their cheating was exposed, Obooma and Team scapegoated a few L.L. official for lying and cheating, excused the team members, and quickly buried the story.

When I was in Little League, every player and active parent knew the EXACT DAY of age-cutoff for player eligibility. It was common knowledge throughout the league. Just like now. But if the President is gonna model lying and cheating, because Racism, then there's no reason for The Almighty People to excuse their own scumbagginess.

Anonymous A.B. Prosper August 18, 2015 3:10 PM  

I suspect the general IQ decline has many causes among them dysgenic breeding , poor educational pedagogy, immigration and lifestyle.

The 1st three are pretty obvious but the latter less so, simply few of us in the 1st world live lives where any real mental effort is regularly required.

Given a decent start most of us in the 1st world can coast through life pretty easily.

Since we don't have to think very much and the brain like any other muscle,use it or lose it, we get a bit dumber.

Frankly though high IQ isn't necessary to human species survival anyway. When it gets too far past carrying capacity the human race will die back and life will go on anyway, IQ 80 or 90 or 110 its no matter. Any of those provides ample horsepower to for the species to survive.

Now I'd like to preserve Western culture but beyond getting married, having kids and passing on the culture, not much more can be done and even that might be futile. All cultures end someday.

Blogger Cloudswrest August 18, 2015 4:10 PM  

Professor Bruce Charlton thinks we're in the middle of a "mouse utopia" extinction scenario from genetic pollution due to advanced modern science and medicine. http://iqpersonalitygenius.blogspot.co.uk/2015/08/if-humans-are-recapitulating-mouse.html

OpenID corvinus333 August 18, 2015 4:11 PM  

My wife's experience with homeschoolers has been stupid moms pulling their stupid kids because the moms don't want to believe their stupid kid is stupid. A year later the same stupid kid shows back up to school, a year older, a year of 70 hours-a-week video gaming under his belt, no more educated and even less self-controlled.

Homeschooling is visibly not for everyone.


@133 dc.sunsets
Yeah, there are stupid homeschoolers, but I was homeschooled myself because my parents and even the teachers recognized that I was too intelligent for the material being offered. Some of the liberal teachers complained that giving me more advanced material was trying to "vertically enrich" me rather than "horizonally enrich" me.

What I would be more willing to guess is that homeschoolers tend to be the outliers; the really smart, the really stupid, and the really religious. I fell under really smart and really religious.

Blogger M Cephas August 18, 2015 4:21 PM  

Although I'm not for diversity. I hardly think it can take even most of the blame for declining IQs.

I think obesity, lower quality food, staring at screens for hours on end, and public schooling would play a much greater role in the lowering of IQs.

Anonymous BCD August 18, 2015 4:33 PM  

Professor Bruce Charlton thinks we're in the middle of a "mouse utopia" extinction scenario from genetic pollution due to advanced modern science and medicine.

@139 Cloudswrest
That argument is absurd on the face of it. How many people do you know who are childless due to infertility? Now how many do you know who are childless by choice?

Blogger Nate August 18, 2015 4:54 PM  

"My wife's experience with homeschoolers has been stupid moms pulling their stupid kids because the moms don't want to believe their stupid kid is stupid. A year later the same stupid kid shows back up to school, a year older, a year of 70 hours-a-week video gaming under his belt, no more educated and even less self-controlled. "

compared to the same kid after a year in school... Drugged up on psycho-active meds... bullied... and oh look... ready to snap and start shooting.

Or...

He's just a brain dead illiterate retard like all the other public school kids.

See? That's the problem. The worst-case homeschooling outcome is still better than the average public school outcome.

Blogger overcaffeinated August 18, 2015 5:18 PM  

"Between 20 and 25% of Brits now have Irish ancestry and they have the lowest IQ's in Europe."

Any evidence for that? This suggests the Irish and British are almost genetically indistinguishable: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/05/science/05cnd-brits.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

Blogger JartStar August 18, 2015 5:34 PM  

@143 Nate, I've actually seen a worse outcome only one time. A child of at least average intelligence was home-schooled and the mother did such a poor job he couldn't read at seven. As far as I know there wasn't an intelligence or even behavioral reason for it, she just didn't do a good job. To use this instance as any way normative would be a mistake.

Blogger Cail Corishev August 18, 2015 5:37 PM  

Homeschooling is visibly not for everyone.

Right, it's not for people who are incapable of raising their own children. It's only for everyone else. Though of course people should be free to pay others to teach their kids subjects like math and reading if they wish, just as they do now with piano and dance and summer sports leagues. No one's saying everyone should be forced to homeschool.

People who give up homeschooling after a year or two probably didn't give their kids time to recover from the damage done by school. A book I have on homeschooling, which takes the interesting angle of talking to the kid wanting to homeschool instead of to the parents, suggests taking a full year off just to detox. Most parents try to duplicate school at home, which is generally a bad idea, but especially bad for kids who have built bad habits around that structure. They fight it, because it looks like the same stupid system they've already learned to hate.

Homeschooling also reveals when children have no discipline. Many parents get away with that during the school year because they only have to corral them for a few hours a night with the help of TV, when they're decompressing from the social mania of school. In the summer, they deal with it by running them to activities all the time. But keep them home every day and try to make them sit quietly and do something, with no effective discipline in place, and you'll have chaos. I've heard many frustrated parents say, especially in the summer, "I can't imagine having these kids home all the time!" Right, "those kids," because school and lack of parental discipline have turned them into whim-driven monsters. If they had been home all along, they wouldn't be "those kids."

Like Nate said, the worst homeschooling is better than average public schooling. And that's despite the efforts of dedicated, caring teachers like your wife and my mom. It's not going to get any better, so if there are deficiencies in homeschooling, or misconceptions that prevent people from doing it well, we ought to work on those.

Blogger Cail Corishev August 18, 2015 5:51 PM  

I know an adult guy who was homeschooled (back when it was weird), which for him meant spending most of his time in the garden with his mom, who grew and sold herbs. At something like 8 years old he probably couldn't have passed any first-grade tests, but he could name every plant in the area and tell you its medicinal properties and how to grow it. He has a business degree now, and knows Japanese because at some point he decided he wanted to visit there -- which he did.

People worry way, way too much about what kids learn and when and in what order. As much as I'm a fan of a classical education with Latin and all that, it's not actually necessary for having a good life. And it's certainly not necessary to follow a set curriculum starting at age 6 -- or 5 -- or 3 -- to end up well-rounded and educated.

Anonymous Koanic August 18, 2015 5:53 PM  

You're missing four big ones:
1. Infant mortality
2. Age-assortative mating
3. Industrial food and water
4. Electric lighting

Visual reaction speed != sports performance. Many low-IQ black athletes seem to perform better because of their relative lack of a high-order info-processing step. They don't innovate the sport, but they execute the best training faster by not thinking.

Nate, yes the African / American black IQ differential is correct. Nutrition and white admixture. And before that, San bushmen.

Indian IQ caps out at white. Aryan conquest.

Blogger Eraser August 18, 2015 6:14 PM  

Westerners have lost 14 I.Q. points on average since the Victorian Era

It only took me 5 minutes of googling to find substantial critiques of this paper:

1. The correlation between reaction time and IQ is weak. That means: faster reaction = somewhat higher IQ on average, but there are large deviations and exceptions all over the place. Someone said that if there were a strong correlation, we could find our future Nobel prizes by standing next to a game of Whack-a-Mole.

2. Different measurement techniques. Earliest studies used a Hipp chronoscope, recent ones use common PCs. No cross-calibration was done to show that the results are directly comparable. Example: Suppose the OS adds 30ms of input lag. Not important if the study only looks at differences between individuals, very important if you want to compare with older studies.

3. Even recent reaction time studies have widely varying results, so the error bars on the data are probably large, or some studies are unreliable.

4. Victorian-era studies probably had biased samples - disproportionately more people from higher social classes, which would skew IQ numbers upwards (pointed out by @121).

Blogger VD August 18, 2015 6:20 PM  

Although I'm not for diversity. I hardly think it can take even most of the blame for declining IQs.

Do the math. Look up the average Mexican IQ. (It's okay, I'm the great-grandson of a Mexican revolutionary, I give you permission.) Then compare how many Mexicans are now in the USA. It can't NOT be a major factor.

Many low-IQ black athletes seem to perform better because of their relative lack of a high-order info-processing step. They don't innovate the sport, but they execute the best training faster by not thinking.

My martial arts instructor was constantly trying to get me to NOT think. I've also noticed that I score at a much higher rate when I don't have time to think before I shoot. The brain is slow compared to the body.

OpenID corvinus333 August 18, 2015 6:24 PM  

Any evidence for that? This suggests the Irish and British are almost genetically indistinguishable:

@144 overcaffeinated
They are. Irish aren't pure Celtic by any stretch of the imagination -- a lot of Norse, Norman, and English blood has gone into the Irish over the centuries -- and the English have a lot of indigenous British (Welsh) ancestry.

I remember reading somewhere that the frequency of blue eyes and light hair is almost identical in Ireland and England, with the Welsh being darker than both and the Scots lighter.

My theory is that English dumping on the Irish is a way for them to feel better about themselves vis-à-vis the groids. They try to paint the Irish as white n!ggers as a way of assuaging the white guilt typical to Protestants.

The funny thing is, nobody ever accuses Scots of being low-IQ, yet they're even closer to the Irish than the English are. Many of them even historically spoke Gaelic.

Blogger DBSFF August 18, 2015 6:28 PM  

Fasted I ever reacted was when a "friend" threw a baseball at my head when I wasn't looking. I was turning back to him when the ball was a couple of feet from my face; the next thing I knew I was on the ground. The ball was in my glove. I don't even remember thinking or moving. He said it basically looked like I had pulled a matrix move and whipped the glove up and across my face.

OpenID corvinus333 August 18, 2015 6:33 PM  

@152 DBSFF

I don't buy that IQ and reaction time are necessarily correlated. My IQ is very high, but my reaction times were always frustratingly slow until relatively recently.

Conversely, blacks have notoriously quick reaction times, but aren't geniuses to say the least.

Blogger Eraser August 18, 2015 6:39 PM  

Do the math. Look up the average Mexican IQ. (It's okay, I'm the great-grandson of a Mexican revolutionary, I give you permission.) Then compare how many Mexicans are now in the USA. It can't NOT be a major factor.

On the other hand, the proportion of blacks in the US population remained roughly the same from 1870 to 2010 (varying between 10 to 14%), and the large-scale Mexican "invasion" is too recent to explain the supposed downward trend in IQ.

Tangentially, the murder rate fluctuated through a range of 10x during the 20th century (the highest rates were in the 1930s and 1960s, I think), so there is obviously a lot more to violent crime than race.

Anonymous BGS August 18, 2015 8:18 PM  

Nah. Tom Brady is guilty because despite having all those things 'n Super Bowl Rings, he still tried to cheat.

At most they cheated with thermodynamic gas laws, while the rest of the Negro Felon Legion cheats with steroids.

so there is obviously a lot more to violent crime than race.

Not when you look at who commits crimes when Hispanics are split from whites. Look at the Texas ten most wanted list and every white is Hispanic.

Blogger The Kurganovich August 18, 2015 8:26 PM  

A contributing factor to this trend could be vaccines and other neurotoxins that we give to developing children. I used to live in student family housing and in my experience, the unvaccinated white children seemed to be developing faster than the vaccinated asian children, who in turn seemed to be developing faster than the vaccinated whites.

Also, after getting vaccinated, it takes a few days for a child to recover. At the very least, this is lost time that could have been used in the development of skills. However, since being vaccinated is a challenge to the body and development is driven by challenging circumstances, I suspect that the brain doesn't temporarily freeze its development and uses the time to configure itself to a state that is needed in the battling of a specific disease. Once a vaccinated child is grown, how much of its brain is needlessly configured to battle rare diseases? How does this affect the child's behavior? Perhaps its brain development eventually gets back on track, but the time spent doing so is irretrievable.

Anonymous Koanic August 18, 2015 8:26 PM  

@150 The deeper the eye sockets, the stronger this tendency. Your mohawked profile skinny young photo shows this strongly, except for eyeball recession. Age hides bones.

Hesitation from cowardice, lack of aggression and sensitivity are also written on the face, in general femininity/altruism indicators, including eye size and spacing. This type of thing shows up most strongly in inexperienced fighters, e.g. in qualifying TUF bouts, where aggression generally beats caution.

Anonymous Koanic August 18, 2015 8:28 PM  

"Tangentially, the murder rate fluctuated through a range of 10x during the 20th century (the highest rates were in the 1930s and 1960s, I think), so there is obviously a lot more to violent crime than race."

True, but it's not a rate, it's a threshold, which explains much of the apparent instability.

Anonymous Anonymous August 18, 2015 9:34 PM  

You're an idiot.

I live here, and the average Japanese person is a brainfucked moron.

Your reasoning is based on your irrational obsession with Asians, and your pedophiliac love for boy-like Asian women, not reality.

Anonymous Koanic August 18, 2015 9:43 PM  

Asian verbal IQ is lower than white, and verbal is what counts. Plus, average anything is stupid to those on the right tail.

Blogger Aeoli Pera August 18, 2015 9:47 PM  

I live here, and the average Japanese person is a brainfucked moron.

Yes, because MPAI, and their culture is an absolute mess. But the average Japanese IQ is still higher than the average white IQ. The average Ashkenazi IQ is higher still, and they are also a bunch of brainfucked morons. Arguably moreso.

Blogger Cloudswrest August 18, 2015 10:36 PM  

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Blogger Cloudswrest August 18, 2015 10:38 PM  

@142 BCD

Who said the mice were "sterile". The data was they simply stopped breeding. They refrained from engaging in sexual activity. Maybe all the males became Catlyn Jenners. Charlton speculates that the sex drive is fine tuned and easily corrupted by an accumulation of genetic errors.

Blogger bob k. mando August 18, 2015 11:25 PM  

69. Nate August 18, 2015 10:34 AM
ok... so how much of the iq difference between american blacks and african blacks is genetic and how much of it is diet/other factors?




if you remember, the average American Negro has ~30% admixture of white blood.

so, you put white iq @ 100, african iq @ 70 and bump 30% of the delta to get rough numbers on what you'd expect the benefit to be for American negroes.

69. Nate August 18, 2015 10:34 AM
also.. if genetics has brought up the ameican black IQ has it also brought down the american white IQ?


very few American whites *who identify as white* have any significant admixture of negro heritage.

most of the mulattoes got raised in the negro neighborhoods and very few have ever been pale or straight haired enough to attempt to pass.



137. ray August 18, 2015 2:58 PM
Nah. Tom Brady is guilty



i didn't say Brady wasn't actually guilty.

i'm pointing out the reason why a Lib won't admit that Hitlery is just as obviously guilty as Brady is.

i mean, jesus, that cunt ought to be in jail right this moment for willful and flagrant violation of Federal security regs. last count was sensitive information found in well over 100 of the emails that the stupid bitch DIDN'T DELETE.

now, remember that she ADMITS to wiping approx half of the emails.

Anonymous BCD August 18, 2015 11:28 PM  

@161 Cloudswrest

The author did, right in the first paragraph, where he stated: "The colony became sterile."

Even if it were just a question of maladaptive behavior due to genetic load, he's making a silly comparison. Humans are, if anything, having more sex than ever before. Does Mr. Charlton really believe the recent drop in birthrate owes more to mutational load than to the pill?

Blogger Tresextas August 19, 2015 12:56 AM  

Jaymans says this is bullshit. He's an HBD guy.

Blogger M Cephas August 19, 2015 8:51 AM  

@151. VD

"Do the math. Look up the average Mexican IQ. (It's okay, I'm the great-grandson of a Mexican revolutionary, I give you permission.) Then compare how many Mexicans are now in the USA. It can't NOT be a major factor".

Well I looked it up, and saw that it was quite low. But other immigrants have had low IQs, that have increased with their children, so I checked to see if their children were any higher.

Surprisingly no. American born children of Mexicans are not doing to well in IQ either.

So it probably does have a bigger effect than I thought. Though I do think other factors like obesity, and poor public schooling have played a significant part in the reduction of IQ. I was surprised though that even the immigrant's children were so low. I assumed they were average, 100 or so.

Blogger Cail Corishev August 19, 2015 10:10 AM  

I was surprised though that even the immigrant's children were so low. I assumed they were average, 100 or so.

Then, with respect, I would suggest that you don't know much about IQ or heredity. That's okay, most people don't, and the media and schools do their best to make sure it stays that way.

Children's IQ (and other attributes) always centers around their parents', with some regression toward the mean. But that's not the mean of humanity; it's the mean of their ancestors, with declining influence as you go back. So basically the mean of their parents, grandparents, and great-grandparents. If your great-to-the-nth-grandfather was Archimedes, but all your other ancestors were average, he's not going to move the needle much.

But there is variation among individuals, so two 100-IQ parents with 100-IQ ancestors for the last couple generations could have an 85-IQ kid. That 85-IQ kid could end up mating with another 85-IQ kid from a similar background. In that case, the parents are outliers: 85-IQ brains carrying around a lot of 100-IQ genes -- so their mean is still nearly 100, and their kids will probably "regress" back to around that. Likewise, when average-IQ parents have a genius kid, and that kid mates with another genius from average-IQ parents, their kids will probably regress back nearer the average.

That's not the case with these immigrants. Two 85-IQ immigrant parents have ancestors averaging around 85, so their kids will average around 85. That's their mean, going back for centuries, and the surprise would be if anything else happened.

There may be some gains to be made from improved nutrition, but those won't happen in a generation; and they may not happen at all, since we've allowed so many in that they bring their diet with them.

Blogger M Cephas August 19, 2015 9:22 PM  

@Cail Corihev

"Then, with respect, I would suggest that you don't know much about IQ or heredity. That's okay, most people don't, and the media and schools do their best to make sure it stays that way."

My surprise came from the fact that most immigrants to America started with low IQ. Their children however usually surpass them quite quickly. I thought the same was true for the children of Mexicans in America.

This is from a "Reason" article:

'In 1961, according to Lynn and Vanhanen, the average Greek IQ was 88. According to other data, Croatians had an average of 90, Bulgarians were at 91, Romanians were at 94, Poles were at 92, and Sicilians were at 89. In 1972, the lowest IQ scores in Europe belonged to the Irish, who averaged just 87 points. These results are not far off from those that the early 20th century psychometricians found for immigrant groups coming to America. But as Unz points out, by the 21st century the incomes and educational attainments of American descendants of Greek, Slav, Italian, and Irish immigrants are now comfortably above those of the Old Stock white natives"

My assumption was that the children of Mexican immigrants would have experienced a similar improvement, toward an average close to 100. They don't seem to have experienced that yet.

Blogger Cail Corishev August 19, 2015 10:24 PM  

M Cephas,

Read that excerpt again. It doesn't say the IQs of those groups increased. It says their "incomes and educational attainments" have risen. Those are not the same thing.

It seems unlikely to me that Slavic Americans (for instance) are "now comfortably above" WASPs, so I don't know what they mean by "Old Stock white natives"; but I'm not going to bother tracking down what they mean by that, since I expect Reason to torture the data to support open borders in any case.

Blogger M Cephas August 19, 2015 11:04 PM  

'It says their "incomes and educational attainments" have risen. Those are not the same thing.'

You could say academic performance is not the same thing as IQ, but it certainly is a decent measure.

"It seems unlikely to me that Slavic Americans (for instance) are "now comfortably above" WASPs"

Well "it seems unlikely to me" isn't much to go by. It was Ron Unz that was making the statement that "Reason" quoted.

"Richwine relies a great deal on the research of Lynn and Vanhanen that finds persistent IQ deficits in many nations. Recently, American Conservative publisher Ron Unz analyzed their work and concluded that in fact, their data suggest that low average national and ethnic IQs are not persistent. Instead, average IQs rise as countries become wealthier."

Blogger Cail Corishev August 19, 2015 11:22 PM  

"Countries become wealthier as average IQs rise." There, fixed it for him.

If you think that moving to a new country will cause people to have children with IQs near the new country's average, as if IQ is in the water, you need to come up with some evidence of that. Vague claims about correlated matters from open borders proponents won't cut it. We've spent billions trying to raise the IQs of people already here for generations, with schemes like Head Start, and they've been utter failures. If putting 85-IQ American kids in special programs with tutors and every advantage the educational establishment can think of doesn't make them smarter, then why would just being born on American soil do that for Mexicans?

Blogger SciVo August 19, 2015 11:35 PM  

@ cent: "I have not found a good data on IQ from North Korea. That would be an interesting comparison on effect of culture and education."

And nutrition.

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Blogger SciVo August 20, 2015 12:08 AM  

@ Aeoli Pera: "Could those simple folk have had more complex minds than our own?"

Of course. They knew more about the value of work.

Blogger M Cephas August 20, 2015 12:18 AM  

@173. Cail Corishev

""Countries become wealthier as average IQs rise." There, fixed it for him."

How did the average IQ rise exactly?

'If you think that moving to a new country will cause people to have children with IQs near the new country's average, as if IQ is in the water, you need to come up with some evidence of that.'

If you have an immigrant coming from a poorer country, where nutrition is worse, education is poor, many don't even know how to use a computer, it's not so difficult to imagine how their children will very likely surpass them in IQ when born and raised in America.

I don't think Government programs help though, so no surprise that they are utter failures. The Government has a strange habit of perpetuating the condition it is trying to solve.

'then why would just being born on American soil do that for Mexicans?'

Well I wasn't talking about Mexicans. I was talking about immigrants in general, like the ones I listed above, Italians, Irish, Slavs, etc...

Mexicans, for whatever reason, are not getting smarter than their parents, which is different from the usual pattern for immigrants coming to America.

Anonymous Jonathan August 20, 2015 6:43 AM  

"Mexicans, for whatever reason, are not getting smarter than their parents, which is different from the usual pattern for immigrants coming to America."

This is because the distinct immigrant groups who arrived before the surge from Mexico largely did so before the advent of very cheap and readily available food, esp protein.

Blogger Cail Corishev August 20, 2015 7:22 AM  

M Cephas, I'm certainly no fan of government programs, but you can't just dismiss the failure of thousands of dedicated people with billions of dollars by saying "government." Government programs fail so often because they do the wrong things, because they're acting on false beliefs. In the case of programs like Head Start, the belief that individual intelligence can be improved significantly by the environment. It wouldn't succeed if it were run by nuns either.

which is different from the usual pattern for immigrants coming to America.

So say Ron Unz and Reason. I don't accept their assertions. And I'm not the one scratching my head wondering why second- and third-generation Mexican immigrants aren't fitting into my model. Their performance fits perfectly with my understanding of IQ -- that it's almost completely hereditary, and that what improvement can be gained from the environment, such as improved nutrition during gestation, is small and diminishing, and would take several generations to become significant across a large group like a wave of immigrants. Their performance doesn't fit with Unz and Reason's understanding, as you noted. If you're wondering why their model is broken, maybe you should ask them.

Anonymous Donn #0114 August 20, 2015 12:33 PM  

Cail @179 They wouldn't be any smarter if they were run by nuns but they'd be better behaved. Well better if they were old school nuns. Not the modern half lesbian/half pagan moon goddess variety.

Blogger M Cephas August 20, 2015 4:04 PM  

@179. Cail Corishev

As far as I can tell the Government is perpetuating stupidity with those programs. I don't think it a matter of "you can't teach stupid".

Why do they have higher rates of illegitimacy, crime, child abuse, addictions, etc?... They also have higher rates of people on some form of Government assistance.

I don't think it's just part of being Mexican/black/whatever. The problems were far less prevalent before the government got involved with dedicated people with billions of dollars in the black community. They are pretty much subsidizing failure.

Blogger SciVo August 22, 2015 2:02 AM  

@ M Cephas: "You could say academic performance is not the same thing as IQ, but it certainly is a decent measure."

Not if you're comparing Greeks with Greek-Americans.

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