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Wednesday, August 05, 2015

Nazis, Nazis everywhere!

The SJWs are extending their thought-policing from SF to romance:
For Such a Time by Kate Breslin is an inspirational historical romance between a Nazi concentration camp commander and a Jewish prisoner. It was nominated by the Romance Writers of America for Best First Book and Best Inspirational Romance in 2014. It won neither category, but the book’s presence as a nominee has upset a growing number of people. At Smart Bitches, Trashy Books, we undertake a community review project to try to give every RITA_nominated book a review before the awards are announced. The review for this book was written by a guest reviewer named Rachel, and it is extraordinarily good in my opinion. Rose Lerner and her BFF have compiled a collection of the 5-star reviews for this book, as well. After the RITA awards, which were held on July 25, 2014, I wrote a letter to the Board of Directors of Romance Writers of America to explain (or try to explain) why this book’s nominations were so offensive and upsetting. I sent this letter via email and received a response from the president of RWA. But in the conversations I’ve had online over the last few weeks, I’ve suggested people let the board know about their feelings as well.
You vill not read vat ve do not VANT you to read. Make no mistake, the SJWs are thought police and they have NO problem declaring that a book is unmeritorious on the basis of its content.

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121 Comments:

Blogger guest August 05, 2015 12:58 PM  

Ugh that is really sickening. A love story between a Nazi camp commander and a Jewish camp prisoner. It makes Shades of Grey seem like a romance story, in comparison.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan August 05, 2015 1:06 PM  

Some years Justin Raimondo made mention that back in the 60s in Israel there was a sub cultural fetish for Nazi porn, blond/blonde Nazi bad Jewish person type stuff. Turn them into the thought police

Blogger D. Lane (#0067) August 05, 2015 1:07 PM  

Much to my surprise, PBS actually has a video explaining SJWs at the fundamental level.

Blogger David-093 August 05, 2015 1:07 PM  

Just going by this blurb here it has everything women want: a brash, arrogant villain and the helpless innocent he falls for, an edgy forbidden romance, and an enormous gap in power and authority (the commander and the prisoner).

It is to laugh.

Anonymous Scythian Arrows August 05, 2015 1:09 PM  

It's a real Hugo Bodice-ripper!

Blogger Tommy Hass August 05, 2015 1:12 PM  

They didn't specify the sex of the prisoner.

Blogger David-093 August 05, 2015 1:14 PM  

@3

Well done.

Anonymous VFM293 August 05, 2015 1:15 PM  

C'mon Vox, no Hitler video? Your slackin...

Blogger Alexander August 05, 2015 1:17 PM  

He loves her so much, just thinking about her makes it hard to concentrate.

I bet she's busty. She may be Jewish, but if they made this into a porno, she'd be an SS.

Is there a hawt shower scene? You'd have to be careful that you used his and not hers.

Blogger CM August 05, 2015 1:18 PM  

Isn't this essentially Titus and Berenice only different era? Sure B was a "jewish princess" but she was also a prisoner with Titus as the Emperor's son.

How is this more vile than that? That question is to VD commentors who think this is girl trash plot line.

Blogger bob k. mando August 05, 2015 1:22 PM  

if you read through the letter she sent, you find the REAL objection:
"But in addition to the attempt at redeeming a hero who is a Nazi commander, at the end of the book, the heroine converts to Christianity, a narrative decision that also insensitive and offensive. Christianity is what redeems the heroine and the hero, and again, I’m at a loss for words to fully explain how and why this is so objectionable. But I will try."


somehow, i don't think that writing a false history in which a camp commander is convinced to turn away from the Nazis is a problem here ...

Blogger Bill August 05, 2015 1:23 PM  

I always thought Romance was like the host for SJW's and SF was their intended victim.

Anonymous zen0 August 05, 2015 1:24 PM  

@6
Tommy Hass August 05, 2015 1:12 PM
They didn't specify the sex of the prisoner.


Hogan's heroes did the gay version.

Blogger buwaya August 05, 2015 1:24 PM  

Redemption through Christ is, of course, a Christian concept.
This sort of thing is all over the New Testament.
I find it curious to find it objectionable in a general sense rather than though, for instance, a Jewish one. Jews may have good reasons to find this objectionable from their perspective. But should it be a general conclusion for everyone else ?
Is Christian redemption permissible only when it doesn't offend Jews ?
Or when it doesn't offend anyone ? That doesn't seem possible.
This controversy, it seems to me, boils down to a rather fundamental clash of religious and cultural values.

Blogger bob k. mando August 05, 2015 1:25 PM  

10. CM August 05, 2015 1:18 PM
Isn't this essentially Titus and Berenice only different era?



the critique itself says that "The book is a retelling of the book of Esther set during the Holocaust".

Anonymous MrGreenMan August 05, 2015 1:27 PM  

@11

You are right; it's all window dressing around her central complaint: she hates Jesus and she hopes all right thinking people do, too, with enough outgroup threats and ingroup shaming.

Blogger Chris Mallory August 05, 2015 1:28 PM  

This "German" has let his mask slip.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riQh4Qpvxm4

Blogger Elmo Shangnaster August 05, 2015 1:32 PM  

How 'bout this?
Der Fuehrer's Face

Anonymous Stickwick August 05, 2015 1:33 PM  

Time Enough for Scratching Posts by Andrea Gherkin is an inspirational romance between Betty, a neurotic shut-in, and her tomcat, Mr. Bubbles. Trouble arises when Betty acquires a prize show cat, Princess Auriel, who turns Mr. Bubbles' head...

Anonymous Steve August 05, 2015 1:39 PM  

Sarah Wendell, eh?

2/10 - Would Not Blitzkreig.

Blogger Cail Corishev August 05, 2015 1:40 PM  

Good thing it's really about Christianity and not Nazis. If they started burning every romance novel that features a Nazi raping (or "raping") the heroine, that'd be one heck of a fire.

Anonymous cheddarman August 05, 2015 1:43 PM  

Is she any relationship to Wendell the Manatee?

Anonymous Steve August 05, 2015 1:43 PM  

Stickwick - proceed...

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 August 05, 2015 1:44 PM  

Wow. A romance novel based on naziploitation?

Blogger Jack Ward August 05, 2015 1:49 PM  

I suppose the site, Smart Bitches, trashy Books tells it all. I've not read Ms. Breslin's book nor will I.
My difficulties are with this self appointed whatever she thinks she is, S. Wendell. She found some much 'hurtful, in this book and bad think, and, and just bad bad bad.
I think S. Wendell needs to get some mental toughness and maybe a life. I went to her site and followed some of the comments. My God, no wonder this country is in dire straits with so many females and cis-males?, spending their time on the internet dreaming up victim scenarios and feelings of personal victim hood.
Yeah, I get it that the theme of this book was probably in bad taste and denigrated all those people that suffered and died at the hands of Nazi nut cases. OK; it happened. We get strong and get over it. The worse thing S. Wendell could have done is make a public stand over what is probably a bad book. I bet that author's sales have hit the roof.

I thought about commenting at AB.TB site but decided life was too short to waste my time. What, really, are people like that going to do when civilization falls into ruin? Go feel victimized or go dig some roots to eat.

Blogger Profit August 05, 2015 1:54 PM  

"Smart Bitches, Trashy Books" aka "Cat-Lady Central"

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 August 05, 2015 1:57 PM  

Let me guess. After the commandant murders the child he conceives with her, he murders the poor kid for being a half-breed. Years later, she refuses to testify against him and instead opts to murder him and herself at the wreckage of the camp.

It's stupid, deserves no awards, but doesn't deserve the scorn.

Anonymous Koanic August 05, 2015 1:58 PM  

They hated it because she was skinny.

My love for thee burns like an oven, turning my bones to ash.

Thy absence is like a never ending column, shrouding the sun.

Love's pinprick's consume me. My ribs strain to chain my beating heart. My eyes bulge to see thee. My bowels turn to liquid; my steps totter when thou art near.

I starve for thee.

I long for thy Koch, I Goebbel thy rod! O, end my SSuffering!

----

"Why won't you die?" - Dachau officer to my grand aunt.

Blogger JACIII August 05, 2015 1:59 PM  

@20

Cringe worthy.

Blogger Peter Pan August 05, 2015 2:02 PM  

bob k. mando @11 if you read through the letter she sent, you find the REAL objection

Yup. Those were exactly my thoughts. It has absolutely nothing to do with the actual Nazis and everything to do with the Christianity. The world of fiction loves to read and write about real World War era Nazis because they have a sort of sick glamour to them. Christianity, on the other hand, makes them feel guilty, and that's baaaaaad.

Jack Ward @25 I suppose the site, Smart Bitches, trashy Books tells it all.

Really clever names, aren't they? These guys always impress me.

Anonymous Koanic August 05, 2015 2:11 PM  

Finally a use for all those sonnets... who says romance is dead?

O to be a lamp in thy office! A golden ring, glinting on thy hand!

O to be a brick, winking gladly, blinking slowly, at thy stroll across the strand!

I would warm thy winter office, a hot crackle in the air;

I would pillow thy sweet sleep, with my mane of chestnut hair.

Anonymous Stephen J. August 05, 2015 2:18 PM  

From Miss Wendell's letter: "But the fact that this book was nominated in two categories is deeply hurtful, and I believe creates an environment where writers of faiths other than Christianity, not just Jewish writers, feel unwelcome."

This is ultimately what it's about, isn't it? How welcome you feel in the community.

As a pro-life traditional Catholic I know darn well there are plenty of communities where I will not be welcome. Heck, if I was more of a dick about proselytizing those beliefs I might well not be welcome here. But the difference is, while there would be numerous options to try amending that situation, invoking an outside authority to silence someone else is not rightfully one of them. Because I do not have a right to be, or to feel, "welcomed" in any community -- I have only the right not to be forcibly excluded from it for reasons irrelevant to my fitness for its purpose.

I have absolutely no problem with finding the plot of the Breslin book appalling; I don't myself, but I can easily understand why others would. But the people you go to over that are not the author, the editor, the publisher or the association board -- it's the other readers. Write all the one-star reviews you like explaining why others should find it appalling too, and the people who agree with you that that's a fit judgement criterion will listen; the people who don't, won't. Which in a free society is all you should get -- if I don't get to suppress The Da Vinci Code as insulting to my religion, she sure as heck doesn't get to suppress this book for how she feels it insults hers.

Blogger gummboote August 05, 2015 2:21 PM  

"Smart Bitches, Trashy Books". So basically they give themselves an offensive name and then start screaming when someone else offends them.

Blogger Feather Blade August 05, 2015 2:29 PM  

I don't usually go for romance novels, especially "inspirational" ones, but I'm almost intrigued enough to go look this one up.

Blogger Jack Aubrey August 05, 2015 2:33 PM  

In fine SJW fashion, four new one-star reviews have appeared today on Amazon, not one of which gives any indication that the reviewer actually read the book. Are these creatures predictable or what?

Anonymous shadow #0342 August 05, 2015 2:34 PM  

As long as the SJWs support Moloch Worship (aka Planned Parenthood) that traffics in baby parts, they have no right to criticize the Nazis.

Oh, and the obligatory 'Producers' clip:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHmYIo7bcUw

@#18 Elmo:

That is a classic clip. Unfortunately, Donald Duck's comment that 'I'm glad to be a citizen of the United States" at the end makes less sense nowadays when we're getting closer to a totalitarian state.

Blogger ScuzzaMan August 05, 2015 2:38 PM  

My wife's Jewish and, like me, a fundamentalist Christian. It is a barrel of laughs, believe me. When people ask her why, she deadpans them with "Oh, I became a Christian to improve my sex life!"

Her favourite joke is from an incredibly brave (or foolish) German comic, and goes like this:

Comic: "You know, my father died in a concentration camp."
Audience: Awwwwwwww....
Comic: "Yeah, he fell out of the guard tower."

Deathly silence ensues.

Not many SJW's in our circle.

For some reason.

Blogger dlw August 05, 2015 2:39 PM  

Simply acknowledging The DaVinci Code exists is more damaging to your good taste than your religion.

I actually read that book. All of it. The whole book is one long chase sequence, with the characters solving puzzles by, basically, pulling rabbits out of their hat. And then it ends without accomplishing anything in particular. It has enough rushing about and action for a whole adventure series, but the storyline is pathetically weak.

Verily, it doth sucketh. And since I stained my reputation by admitting I ground my way through it, you can pass it by and read something exciting and sensible by comparison, like "The Protocols of the XIX Party Congress of the USSR" or any random page of the US Federal Material Safety Data Sheet database. (spoiler: it's all bad for you)

Blogger ScuzzaMan August 05, 2015 2:40 PM  

@25

Vote for an end to war.

Blogger FALPhil August 05, 2015 2:41 PM  

Steve wrote:
Sarah Wendell, eh?

2/10 - Would Not Blitzkreig.


I wish you had not posted that. I couldn't resist clicking. Now, arrrggghhh! my mind is tainted.

I wonder if one day she will look back on this and recognize the irony that gives the rest of us a chuckle. Probably not.

Blogger jaericho (#107) August 05, 2015 2:43 PM  

FALPhil, I learned that lesson about Steve's links to pics yesterday....twice. (I'm a slow learner)

Anonymous RedJack #22 August 05, 2015 2:43 PM  

@31 The DaVinci Code was just an insult to the Catholic church, but to anyone who knows history and art. I remember having to explain to people just how off it was, and then had my mother in law (cradle Catholic) feel like she had to research to see if Mary M and Jesus really did have a kid!

But Dan Brown made that crap sell. It reads easy at least. It wasn't the topic that bother me. There is nothing in that book that a dozen books and legends haven't said over the last hundred years or so. It was that so many people thought it was a documentary

Blogger ScuzzaMan August 05, 2015 2:44 PM  

The Da Vinci Code?

It's insulting to your intelligence, not your religion.

This idiot writes a whole book claiming that the one major religion that worships Mary as Queen of Heaven is "suppressing the feminine divine"?

Seriously?

The man's a lunatic.

Blogger Giraffe August 05, 2015 2:45 PM  

SJWs are thought police and they have NO problem declaring that a book is unmeritorious on the basis of its content.

Probably not even on the basis of it's content. I'll go out on a limb and guess that book is pretty well anti-Nazi in it's content. The concentration camp commander realizes that jews are people too and making them into soap is wrong because he found such a perfect snowflake. But the anti nazi message is lost because #triggered.

Blogger Dexter August 05, 2015 2:46 PM  

So is it a love triangle in which two bad boy alphas - one from the Totenkopf division and another from the local Einsatzgruppe - are competing for her attention?

Anonymous Koanic August 05, 2015 2:47 PM  

Finally a use for all those sonnets... Who says romance is dead?

O to be a lamp in thy office! A golden ring, glinting on thy hand!

O to be a brick, winking gladly, blinking slowly, at thy stroll across the strand!

I would warm thy winter office, a hot crackle in the air;

I would pillow thy sweet sleep, with my mane of chestnut hair.

Anne Frank did 9/11.

Blogger Salt August 05, 2015 2:50 PM  

SJWs are truly expanding the target rich environment. They just don't understand who the targets really are.

Anonymous Clark August 05, 2015 2:58 PM  

"Anne Frank did 9/11."

Actually, her dad did and just claimed she flew the planes. You can tell by the expressions doodled on her passport at the bottom of the World Trade Center.

Anonymous Koanic August 05, 2015 3:00 PM  

Seriously, though, have you guys heard about the Morgenthau Plan?

Apparently by "Never again," the Jews meant, "Immediately, but 2-3x bigger."

Hitler's international Jewish conspiracy was a self-fulfilling prophecy.

In other unsung atrocities, did you know that a contemporary observer estimated between a 1/3 to 1/2 dieoff of "freed" slaves after the Civil War? It was suppressed because 350,000 Northernern soldiers had just died to free them, and still isn't talked about because it embarrasses the heck out of racial equalitarianism. Apparently the theory was that the slaves would freely contract to do the work they previously did as slaves. Turns out they lacked the conscientiousness to reliably contract their labor without the benefit of coercion, so they starved.

Lincoln's emancipation proclamation caused the African American holocaust. W.T.F.

Anonymous RedJack #22 August 05, 2015 3:10 PM  

@47 The plan was implemented, but then the cold war took off and the value of a West German buffer state was viewed as higher than destroying the German people.

Blogger bob k. mando August 05, 2015 3:12 PM  

41. ScuzzaMan August 05, 2015 2:44 PM
The man's a lunatic.



... or a liar.


i always thought it was hilarious in 'Angels & Demons' that the anti-matter containment vessel couldn't be plugged into a wall outlet.

1 - electricity is very simple. you've got Voltage ( which can be AC or DC ), Current and, sometimes in AC systems, Multi-phase. that's it. any decent electrical engineer can whip you up any kind of power supply you want within an hour or two if he's got parts and tools handy.

2 - it's fricking anti-matter. why in the FUCK would you go out of your way to design a containment that's guaranteed to fail within 24hrs if removed from CERN? at the very least, you should be able to crash a power substation and slap some leads on the thing.

that's not designed fail-safe. that's designed fail-fail.

Anonymous RedJack #22 August 05, 2015 3:20 PM  

@49

Not to mention that the containment device had to be at 100% pure vacuum, or boom. That is a not easy to do, as even a few atoms of a gas hitting the antimatter would make a lot of energy.

Again, the fact that I had to read those books just to be able to explain to people that they were not a secret history of the world bothers the heck out of me.

Anonymous BGS August 05, 2015 3:21 PM  

sub cultural fetish for Nazi porn, blond/blonde Nazi bad Jewish person type stuff. Turn them into the thought police

There are jewish gays willing to pay money to lick boots.

Anonymous Koanic August 05, 2015 3:22 PM  

@48 My understanding is that 5-15 million West Germans died to deliberate Allied policy from 1945-1948, and that Wikipedia is lying.

Blogger VD August 05, 2015 3:27 PM  

There are jewish gays willing to pay money to lick boots.

Steve, it's really not necessary to educate the general public about every gay fetish that may be tangential to the subject. We know Rule 34.

Blogger Thucydides August 05, 2015 3:27 PM  

Sane people would probably not read the book based on the blurb, but for entertainment value, there should be a huge "buycott" of the book, just to rub it into the faces of the SJW's.

Don't worry, you can resell the books on Amazon and cause another spike of SJW indigestion as the book rolls out onto the market again and again.

Blogger David-093 August 05, 2015 3:28 PM  

@Koanic

The number is about a million, and it was mostly due to a famine and the Allies inability to feed all the prisoners.

Blogger Jack Ward August 05, 2015 3:35 PM  

@41 S.Man

He may be a lunatic; but, with all those book sales and movie deals he's a nut rolling around on mounds of cash. What a world....

Anonymous cheddarman August 05, 2015 3:44 PM  

About Nazis,

My Vile Faceless Minion number is either 0187 or 0178. 1+7 = 8. The number 8 = H. So in neo-Nazi prison gang code, I am "Heil Hitler"

That has gotta give me special Vile Faceless Minion anti-sjw powers or something

Anonymous BGS August 05, 2015 3:44 PM  

Seriously, though, have you guys heard about the Morgenthau Plan?

More Germans died in the 5 years after WWII than during the war. Gen. Patton was killed in Manheim Germany shortly after he said "we fought the wrong people"

The number is about a million, and it was mostly due to a famine and the Allies inability to feed all the prisoners.

Its more reasonable to assume the holocaust was caused by the bombing on supply lines than a plan to starve Germans to death written in 1941 was just a coincidence that so happened to play out. If supply lines to Japanese internment camps got cut what would have happened.. Even Chuck Yeager admitted to war crimes against civilians during the war.

http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=89735
" It was a miserable, dirty mission, but we all took off on time and did it. If it occurred to anyone to refuse to participate (nobody refused, as I recall) that person would have probably been court-martialed. I remember sitting next to Bochkay at the briefing and whispering to him "If we're gonna do things like this, we sure as hell better make sure we're on the winning side. That's still my view."

Blogger ScuzzaMan August 05, 2015 3:58 PM  

Aye, Jack.

He knows his target audience, and well. You've got this accusation that a european male hierarchy is suppressing something allegedly feminine.

That is prime SJW chum in the water right there.

And all you got is the accusation, the story makes no actual sense, but the accusation is all you need. So he goes on all these talk shows and they ask him all about it, and it doesn't matter what anyone says he just keeps repeating the accusation, and every time he does, he sells more books.

He's a cunning lunatic liar, and no mistake.

Anonymous The Night Porter August 05, 2015 4:00 PM  

That plot is the basis for the excellent 1970s film, "The Night Porter," directed by Liliana Cavalli, starring Dirk Bogarde and Charlotte Rampling.

Blogger Floyd Looney August 05, 2015 4:16 PM  

Maybe the SJW's would appreciate a romance set inside of an abortion facility where two "doctors" (female) compete for the affections of a patient who has to choose which one will do the "operation". It would be a lesbian romance for the ages.

Anonymous VFM Wannabe August 05, 2015 4:20 PM  

This woman is condemning an inspirational romance - and starting an on-line campaign against it (because that's what it is) - because the characters become CHRISTIANS?! What the...! Does she not know what kind of stories Inspirational Romances tell? I hope Bethany House Publishers (the publishers of the book) and the RWA stand up and say...well, I can think of things for them to say, but they wouldn't exactly be Christian. The RWA DOES need to say to her, "Mind your own business, hon. Our editors are perfectly capable of choosing books we consider award-worthy without your input." On the plus side, I doubt many fans of Inspirational books will pay any attention to this rot and hopefully sales will be good.

P.S. Those recently added one-star reviews were just ridiculous. They might as well have copy and pasted from her article. Group think much?

Anonymous Whatever... August 05, 2015 4:28 PM  

In other unsung atrocities, did you know that a contemporary observer estimated between a 1/3 to 1/2 dieoff of "freed" slaves after the Civil War?

No but that's the feelgood story of the day!

The number is about a million, and it was mostly due to a famine and the Allies inability to feed all the prisoners.

Uh huh. They could feed 4.5 million Allied troops but not the German prisoners.

Anonymous BGS August 05, 2015 4:40 PM  

Maybe the SJW's would appreciate a romance set inside of an abortion facility where two "doctors" (female) compete for the affections of a patient who has to choose which one will do the "operation".

"If you where wrist deep up inside my vag while I was sedated my love" A lesbian version of the Bill Cosby story.

You realize in healthcare you never see people at their best, well except for prom night which is always depressing.

Blogger Anthony August 05, 2015 4:50 PM  

How long before the SJWs try to ban "Summer of My German Soldier"?

Anonymous gwood August 05, 2015 4:54 PM  

I think it was PJ O'Rourke who pointed out that no-one fantasizes about bring raped by a Democrat.

Anonymous Stickwick August 05, 2015 5:15 PM  

The Night Porter: That plot is the basis for the excellent 1970s film, "The Night Porter," directed by Liliana Cavalli, starring Dirk Bogarde and Charlotte Rampling.

That movie made Ebert's bottom-of-the-barrel list (see his review here). Even though Ebert could reasonably described as a liberal, he did not object to the subject matter, but to the superficial soap-opera treatment.

Man, do I miss the days when we mostly only had to deal with squishy liberals instead of screechy SJWs.

gwood: I think it was PJ O'Rourke who pointed out that no-one fantasizes about bring raped by a Democrat.

I remember LOL'ing at that observation when I first read it. IIRC, it appears in the preface to Give War a Chance: "I have often been called a Nazi, and, although it is unfair, I don't let it bother me. I don't let it bother me for one simple reason. No one has ever had a fantasy about being tied to a bed and sexually ravished by someone dressed as a liberal."

There's lots of other good descriptions of liberals in there. Rereading them, it's like he was describing nascent SJWs. I don't think he realized how much worse it would get 20 years later.

"The principal feature of American liberalism is sanctimoniousness. By loudly denouncing all bad things — war and hunger and date rape — liberals testify to their own terrific goodness. More important, they promote themselves to membership in a self-selecting elite of those who care deeply about such things.... It's a kind of natural aristocracy, and the wonderful thing about this aristocracy is that you don't have to be brave, smart, strong or even lucky to join it, you just have to be liberal."

"At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child — miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied, demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless. Liberalism is a philosophy of sniveling brats."

Blogger Giuseppe August 05, 2015 5:21 PM  

I swear, if I had more time this sort of shit would make me write an "alternative history" SF where the Nazis won and life is GLORIOUS.
It would be written so that SJWs would have head explosions while normal people piss themselves laughing.
I may still do it when I am older and retired. In between the lulls of zombie-waves as I take a break from reloading the shells.

Blogger automatthew August 05, 2015 5:26 PM  

BGS, you're inching close to the line again.

Anonymous Curious August 05, 2015 5:31 PM  

How the end of slavery led to starvation and death for millions of black Americans.

Blogger Floyd Looney August 05, 2015 5:31 PM  

@66 A lot of this thread is in bad taste but at least it's funny.

Blogger David-093 August 05, 2015 5:39 PM  

"Uh huh. They could feed 4.5 million Allied troops but not the German prisoners."

Oh yes, feeding our own before our enemies, how definite a proof of wickedness.

@BGS

Patton was right. I have no love for the Nazis, but the Soviets were an order of magnitude evil. He said he wanted to take Berlin before the Soviets did but his superiors said no. He should've ignored them, taken Berlin and then gone for Moscow like he wanted. I can't imagine how bitterly angry he must've felt at the end when he realized the truth of it all.

Blogger David-093 August 05, 2015 5:43 PM  

Operation Keelhaul is another one of those things nobody ever talks about. I think Solzhenitsyn mentioned something about it in Gulag Archipelago, about how the Allies returned a couple million defectors back to Stalin and imminent death.

FDR was simply an evil human being. But what do you expect from a communist.

Blogger The Aardvark August 05, 2015 5:44 PM  

So they did not starve while slaves, but starved after being heroically liberated. Rather like the "liberation" of the mentally ill that created the initial homelessness epidemic. Good intentions.

Anonymous NateM August 05, 2015 6:32 PM  

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yfl6Lu3xQW0


They've already produced that, here's a clip

Anonymous Koanic August 05, 2015 7:20 PM  

@57 "The number is about a million, and it was mostly due to a famine and the Allies inability to feed all the prisoners."

Listen to what you said very carefully. Then think about it. Then read an account from someone who doesn't have an incentive to lie.

@60 @65 Thank God the Ilk's brain still works.

Anonymous BGS August 05, 2015 7:24 PM  

So they did not starve while slaves, but starved after being heroically liberated. Rather like the "liberation" of the mentally ill

The accurate portrayal of the treatment of freed blacks by Yankees is the thing leftists hate most about Gone With The Wind.

Blogger automatthew August 05, 2015 7:40 PM  

Listen to what you said very carefully. Then think about it. Then read an account from someone who doesn't have an incentive to lie.

Hellstorm.

Anonymous Koanic August 05, 2015 8:03 PM  

So we've established that Abraham Lincoln was the #2 genocider of Africans, after Leopold II. And that Jewish moral cachet for the Holocaust evaporated after 1948.

Also that black moral cachet is nonexistent, since they took the subcontinent from the San by eating them. And rape or sexually assault 100 white American women per day.

Lastly, that the world will end in nuclear holocaust by 2035, with the incompetently managed collapse of America. Which has no moral cachet, because it sacrifices 3,500 unborn per day to Moloch, making her 64 times worse than the Aztecs, whom God and Cortez destroyed utterly.

Anything else I should know? I'm just trying to calibrate the Y-axis on my eyebrows.

Anonymous Koanic August 05, 2015 8:16 PM  

Hey, here's one: The British elite has been a ring of homosexual pedophiles for the last 30 years. Elites have always screwed 14+ debutantes because fresh tastes best, but the raising of the age of consent created a subworld where worse perversion could flourish. Ditto USA elites and Hollywood.

Blogger automatthew August 05, 2015 8:57 PM  

30 years seems like a serious underestimate.

Anonymous Koanic August 05, 2015 9:15 PM  

Yeah, I err low to be inclusively true. I have no idea.

Anonymous Adam1 August 05, 2015 9:34 PM  

@ no.2. There was a porn flick called `Ilsa of the SS` in the 1970`s where a female commandant banged jewish prisoners then tortured them to death. Many spin-offs.X-rated then, likely R-rated now.

Blogger David-093 August 05, 2015 9:35 PM  

"Hellstorm."

Never seen it, watching it now.

Blogger automatthew August 05, 2015 9:45 PM  

David-093 @86,

I bought the book and haven't been able to get very far in it. Same reaction I had to Gulag Archipelago. You have to be in a special mood to read about the work of evil on earth.

Blogger automatthew August 05, 2015 9:47 PM  

Koanic, I would guess the pederasty among the British elites goes back at least to the 19th century, based on descriptions of their "public" schools.

Blogger David-093 August 05, 2015 9:53 PM  

@87 automatthew

I agree. Gulag Archipelago was eye-opening. I knew the Soviets were bad, but I had no idea that bad....

http://www.hellstormdocumentary.com/

I get the feeling watching this documentary that the people behind World War II had a purely visceral hatred of the Germans, much in the same way the Reds hated Russia "worse than hell". The mindless, insane cruelty against their countries, history, and people, visited by their useful idiots FDR and Churchill, is beyond war and borders on a personal, psychopathic rage.

Blogger automatthew August 05, 2015 10:01 PM  

Gulag Archipelago was eye-opening. I knew the Soviets were bad, but I had no idea that bad

As a youth, I was struck by Solzhenitsyn's insistence (based on his sources, of course) that the Nazi prison camps were vacation resorts compared to the Gulag. That the Nazis didn't even know how to torture people properly.

I get the feeling watching this documentary that the people behind World War II had a purely visceral hatred of the Germans

The same seems to be true about the first world war.

Blogger David-093 August 05, 2015 10:09 PM  

"That the Nazis didn't even know how to torture people properly."

What must it take to say something like that, and know it to be true.

"The same seems to be true about the first world war."

Even as a kid reading about the war I was always kind of confused at how Germany became the target. It never made much sense that the war that seemed to belong exclusively to Serbia and Austria was then pinned totally on Germany.

Blogger automatthew August 05, 2015 10:14 PM  

What must it take to say something like that, and know it to be true.

Well, I think we should still be somewhat skeptical about the accounts in the Gulag Archipelago. I don't doubt Solzhenitsyn's sincerity as a collector (same for Herodotos), but I don't automatically assume the veracity of his sources.

Anonymous Satan's Hamster August 05, 2015 10:15 PM  

For some time now, when I see a Romance writer supporting SJWs, I've been pointing out to them that, whatever genre SJWs may be attacking today, they're just psyching themselves up to take on Romance... the genre of oppressive patriachal rape culture.

Blogger David-093 August 05, 2015 10:38 PM  

An hour into it, a few observations:

1. The most savage people in the war were, by far, the Soviets. The Americans and British, outside the firebombings, did not engage in nearly the same level of barbarity and depravity that the Soviets did.

2. The primary crimes of American troops on the ground was the extermination of German officers and leaders, especially Nazi leaders and concentration camp guards. The documentary takes a bizarrely negative view of this.

3. The Germans preferred the Americans and British to the Russians, by far. The Americans and Brits more or less followed the Geneva conventions about treatment of soldiers, while the Soviets were simply evil for its own sake.

4. The documentary asserts that Americans and British soldiers did a lot of raping, which I have no doubt about, but unlike with the extensive talk on what the Soviets did in the East and to Berlin, there was relatively little in the way of evidence other than "there was rape and looting". The Soviets, unlike the Americans and Brits, had an officially sanctioned policy of rape, torture, and brutality that created millions of victims.

5. Eisenhower has an alleged hatred of the Germans. This is an odd statement since he's the Supreme Commander of the Allied Forces fighting against the Axis Powers and I'd be surprised if he liked the people he was supposed to kill.

6. Most of the prisoners after the war that died in the American prison camps did so from starvation, with the number being, according to the video, 800,000-1.5 million. The documentary says the Allies deliberately starved German prisoners to death, but almost no outside evidence is given of this in the video beyond the speaker's assertions.

7. The firebombings were evil. No surprises there.

8. Considering how much the documentary lays the blame on the Jews, the video is still on Youtube, which is surprising.

9. The documentary completely glosses over the concentration camps by the Nazis and the millions they murdered. While it's understandable, given the purpose of the documentary, I'm guessing they don't think the numbers were as high as officially claimed or that they were as bad as believed.

Blogger automatthew August 05, 2015 10:51 PM  

David-093,

You might find it worthwhile to investigate the manner in which Zyklon-B was used to murder the millions of Jews.

Blogger David-093 August 05, 2015 11:03 PM  

@95

Well I'm interested in getting as accurate a view of the war as possible, so why not. Do you have any sources in particular?

Anonymous Not-So-Merry zen0 August 05, 2015 11:09 PM  

@94 David-093

> 3. The Germans preferred the Americans and British to the Russians, by far.

I can verify that by what my father said about his time in a punishment camp.

Russians got the most shit, then Americans, then British and their commonwealth allies.

They used to make the Russians go work outside, doing whatever. They distributed rations by body count. The Russians started stuffing their dead in the snow in the winter so they could stand them up at the count and jam the stiff between two live ones so they would get extra rations.

The germans got wise so they would push on each Russian to see if they would topple over.

My father brushed his teeth with sand, and they threw thieves in the pit latrines to drown.

Good times.

No whining, bitchez.

Blogger automatthew August 05, 2015 11:18 PM  

Do you have any sources in particular?

No.

Blogger David-093 August 05, 2015 11:31 PM  

"Good times."

War's a blast right?

Blogger David-093 August 05, 2015 11:54 PM  

"Russians got the most shit, then Americans, then British and their commonwealth allies."

I worked with a guy who's grandfather was German and served on the Eastern front. In a letter to his wife he said he would rather see him and his men dead before they fell into the hands of the Russians.

They never saw him again.

Blogger bob k. mando August 06, 2015 12:37 AM  

91. David-093 August 05, 2015 10:09 PM
It never made much sense that the war that seemed to belong exclusively to Serbia and Austria was then pinned totally on Germany.



Serbia never was a great power, Austria ( and Hungary ) were in their final throes of empire.

Germany was the rising international power and WW1 was seized on as an excuse by the Allied Powers ( primarily Britain and France ) as an excuse to cut Germany's legs out from under it.

this is also the reason for the absurd terms of the Treaty of Versailles.



94. David-093 August 05, 2015 10:38 PM
1. The most savage people in the war were, by far, the Soviets.



one of the few worthwhile parts of 'Enemy at the Gates' was the opening set piece, in which Soviet cannon fodder ( more than half not even being given guns, the expectation being that they would pick up rifles from the previously killed ) were mowed down by their own machine guns as they tried to retreat from a crossfire.

then you watch something like 'The Chekhist' ... and realize that the Cheka didn't even exist after 1929 ...

Anonymous Richard August 06, 2015 12:37 AM  

“6. Most of the prisoners after the war that died in the American prison camps did so from starvation, with the number being, according to the video, 800,000-1.5 million. The documentary says the Allies deliberately starved German prisoners to death, but almost no outside evidence is given of this in the video beyond the speaker's assertions. “

I personally met and heard the testimony of one of the survivors. He was starved in a POW camp, used as a slave by the French and eventually released when he was too weak to work anymore. He was 5’10” inches tall. When he was released he weighed less than 90 pounds

Blogger ScuzzaMan August 06, 2015 12:44 AM  

The hatred of Germany stems from her attempts to rival the British Empire. It is purely a pragmatic measure to illustrate the lesson of what happens when you seriously threaten power.
Maybe some of you aren't capable yet of seeing the reflexive demonising of communists in the same light. Again, not that communists and nazis didn't do bad things. The point is, so did the Allies, but almost nobody is willing to put them in the same category.

Solzhenitsyn must have felt equally terrible when he realized the USA operates on the same principle as the USSR.

For another example look at the treatment of Haiti and ponder the fact that the only thing that makes it at all different from a thousand similar places is that it was the site of the only successful slave rebellion in modern times.

Visceral hatred originates in fear.

The British and the French cooperated in opposing the reunification of Germany and openly admitted they did so for fear it would again dominate Europe. Same reason they partitioned it in the first place.
The USA inherited the Empire and all the paranoia and corruption that goes with it.

Blogger David-093 August 06, 2015 1:25 AM  

@101 “Serbia never was a great power, Austria ( and Hungary ) were in their final throes of empire.

Germany was the rising international power and WW1 was seized on as an excuse by the Allied Powers ( primarily Britain and France ) as an excuse to cut Germany's legs out from under it.

this is also the reason for the absurd terms of the Treaty of Versailles.”

Apparently the French were also looking for revenge after the Franco-Prussian War where the Germans beat the hell out of them marched into Paris. The French beat the Germans in World War I and imposed the Treaty of Versailles. The Germans responded by conquering France and taking over their capitol. Again. After the war the French retaliated by enslaving thousands of Germans and seeking another round of revenge. Its just back and forth between them.

@102 "I personally met and heard the testimony of one of the survivors. He was starved in a POW camp, used as a slave by the French and eventually released when he was too weak to work anymore. He was 5’10” inches tall. When he was released he weighed less than 90 pounds"

Honestly, I'm thinking the only good guys in the war at this point were the Italians. You never hear anything bad about them.

@103 "Solzhenitsyn must have felt equally terrible when he realized the USA operates on the same principle as the USSR. "

Yes, to see the land of the free being governed by what he saw ruining his beloved Russia must have been a bitter moment for him.

Blogger bob k. mando August 06, 2015 1:47 AM  

104. David-093 August 06, 2015 1:25 AM
The French beat the Germans in World War I and imposed the Treaty of Versailles.



a little more precision, please. the 'French' didn't beat shit in WW1. their incompetence at trench warfare was a neat match to their incompetence during the Franco-Prussion War and their incompetence in WW2 ( the glorious Maginot Line being only one of their more famous achievements ).

in both World Wars, France was saved by the entry of America into the festivities.

American participation in WW2 was legitimate ... Hitler, after all, declared war on us first.

American participation in WW1 was shameful. Wilson, who campaigned on an anti-war 'No foreign entanglements' and on the slogan "He kept us out of war" proceeded to break the law by smuggling arms to Great Britain ... and then using the sinking of one of those arms shipments ( the Lusitania ) as 'justification' to enter the war against Germany.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RMS_Lusitania#Undeclared_war_munitions

the most ironic thing about the antipathy that the French and Germans have for each other is ... that they are both Germanic peoples.

the Franks are just Germans who decided to speak Latin.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franks

Blogger David-093 August 06, 2015 1:55 AM  

"the 'French' didn't beat shit in WW1"

Yeah that's more accurate.

And Hitler declaring war on the U.S. was amazingly retarded. What did he hope to gain by taking on yet another massive nation that was looking for an excuse to get in on the action?

Blogger David-093 August 06, 2015 2:05 AM  

"the most ironic thing about the antipathy that the French and Germans have for each other is ... that they are both Germanic peoples."

My great grandfather was mostly German, but he hated the French, just hated them, probably cause the French were in control of the territory he was from before he moved to the U.S. as a boy.

Blogger Danby August 06, 2015 2:09 AM  

the Franks are just Germans who decided to speak Latin.

And the Franks are actually a very small part of the population makeup of France. Francia was "the kingdom ruled by the Franks", not "the kingdom consisting of Franks"

Most French are Celtic in decent. There is a huge variety of Roman-era tribes collected under the French flag. Many are Franks, yes, but many are Normans, which is a mixture of the Belgae and the Scandi. There are Bretons and Basques, Italians and Occitans, Picards and Catalan. My own people are Jerriais.
The language is descended from Latin because Latin was the only Lingua Franca that allowed true universal communication. The German tribes were much more unified, and much more culturally and linguistically similar, and after the collapse of East Francia, had much less need of a common language.

Blogger Danby August 06, 2015 2:15 AM  

What did he hope to gain by taking on yet another massive nation that was looking for an excuse to get in on the action?

He probably did it because he thought there would be no cost. The Japanese would occupy the Americans until after Hitler had locked up Europe, Africa, the middle East and Northern Asia. At that point, there would be very little that we could actually do about the war.

He also knew there was a very substantial German population in the US, and he had some very influential friends at high places in government, like old Joe Kennedy.
He also had a serious disdain for open societies, especially ones that were dominated by Jews, so it's likely he thought that if we did get involved in Euprope, we would not have much effect.

Blogger Tommy Hass August 06, 2015 2:17 AM  

"What did he hope to gain by taking on yet another massive nation that was looking for an excuse to get in on the action? "

He assued that they were gonna get in any way and wanted to beat them to the punch. He also assumed that Japan would declare war on the USSR in return. LOL.

Anonymous A. Nonymous August 06, 2015 2:24 AM  

For another example look at the treatment of Haiti and ponder the fact that the only thing that makes it at all different from a thousand similar places is that it was the site of the only successful slave rebellion in modern times.

Well it was apparently consecrated to Satan...

Blogger ScuzzaMan August 06, 2015 6:14 AM  

Tommy, there's still a lot we dont know about behind the scenes maneuverings before and during WW2. For example, a recent review of manifacturing records suggests that Stalin was preparing for war with Germany before 1933, i.e. before the Nazis came to power.

Anonymous BGS August 06, 2015 10:32 AM  

For another example look at the treatment of Haiti and ponder the fact that the only thing that makes it at all different from a thousand similar places is that it was the site of the only successful slave rebellion in modern times

One of the incredible things is that the Dominican republic and Haiti both share the same island but the DR is so much better than Haiti that they are currently deporting Haitians including some born there. If they can pull it off we should be able to deport illegals no problem.

American participation in WW2 was legitimate ... Hitler, after all, declared war on us first.

You mean sinking a ship full of munitions and war supplies?

Anonymous Hrw-500 August 06, 2015 11:00 AM  

@Chris Mallory

"This "German" has let his mask slip."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riQh4Qpvxm4


Sad to see he became what he hates. Meanwhile elsewhere in the world...

Blogger Marissa August 06, 2015 11:28 AM  

For another example look at the treatment of Haiti and ponder the fact that the only thing that makes it at all different from a thousand similar places is that it was the site of the only successful slave rebellion in modern times

Can you expound on this? How was Haiti treated differently than other countries? The only thing I can remember about it is Smedley Butler's story about the Marines going into their central bank and taking their gold. That wasn't a Haiti-only kind of thing though. So why does a place like Haiti continue to fail when a place like Germany, bombed to hell and utterly destroyed by WW2, succeed?

Anonymous Curious August 06, 2015 12:13 PM  

Tommy, there's still a lot we dont know about behind the scenes maneuverings before and during WW2. For example, a recent review of manifacturing records suggests that Stalin was preparing for war with Germany before 1933, i.e. before the Nazis came to power.

As much as I think Stalin was not a nice man, that simply smacks of prudence to me.

Blogger bob k. mando August 06, 2015 12:31 PM  

113. BGS August 06, 2015 10:32 AM
You mean sinking a ship full of munitions and war supplies?




no, i mean formally declaring war on us within the week after the Japs bombed Pearl.

Germany's actions wrt US pre- war entry munitions shipments were all perfectly legal, whichever war it was related too.

our actions were provocations, certainly. but there was a large public impetus to let the retarded Europeans beat each other to death without formal US involvement prior to Pearl. memories of French / Allied stupidity towards our troops were still fresh and raw in 1940.

had Hitler not declared it is remotely possible that there would have been a backlash on FDR if he had tried to engage in the European Theater ( which was, admittedly, his goal just as much as it had been Wilson's ).

had the Japs not bombed Pearl, we almost certainly would never have entered the war at all.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America_First_Committee

and Hitler and Stalin would have battered each other to pieces.

which would have been altogether for the best and saved lives by the millions.

Blogger ScuzzaMan August 06, 2015 1:46 PM  

@curious:

perhaps, but the point being made was not that Stalin was preparing for war in any general sense, but specifically preparing for war with Germany.

To be blunt, there are several converging lines of evidence which suggest that Adolf was himself an unwitting pawn of others, or perhaps more likely a witting pawn who was surprised when his turn to be sacrificed came. An early model Saddam Hussein, you might say.

Blogger ScuzzaMan August 06, 2015 1:50 PM  

bob k:

do you recall what was FDR'S price for becoming an undeclared ally of Britain?

1. Abandon the Empire and transfer most-favoured status to the USA

2. Hand over the entire imperial patent portfolio to the USA

A true gentleman, that Franklin.

Anonymous Anonymous August 21, 2015 10:03 PM  

Idiot, no one is saying you're not allowed to read the book, just that it doesn't deserve to be nominated for an award.

Anonymous Jim Milo August 22, 2015 1:05 AM  

@120 A little late to the party. From Cat Lady central?

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