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Saturday, August 01, 2015

Post-Christian morality

Or rather, the complete lack thereof:
In The Future of an Illusion (1927) Freud refers to religion as an illusion which is “perhaps the most important item in the psychical inventory of a civilization”. In his estimation, religion provides for defense against “the crushingly superior force of nature” and “the urge to rectify the shortcomings of civilization which made themselves painfully felt”. He concludes that all religious beliefs are “illusions and insusceptible of proof.
 

Freud then examines the issue of whether, without religion, people will feel “exempt from all obligation to obey the precepts of civilization”. He notes that “civilization has little to fear from educated people and brain-workers” in whom secular motives for morality replace religious ones; but he acknowledges the existence of “the great mass of the uneducated and oppressed” who may commit murder if not told that God forbids it, and who must be “held down most severely” unless “the relationship between civilization and religion” undergoes “a fundamental revision”

Freud, like many 19th century men were so steeped in custom they could never conceive of the possibility that “educated men and brain-workers” would free themselves, not only of God, but all fixed taboos — of everything. He himself never imagined the Nazis were possible. At the end of his life, sick and old in Vienna — a Vienna he never thought could come to pass —  he was saved, as David Cohen writes, not by the harsh logic of supermen, but by bourgeois sentimentality: the kindness of friends, the intervention of admirers and the secret intervention of a Nazi admirer.

The trouble with 19th century atheism is that it had not completely freed itself from the sentiments of Christianity: in many subtle ways they assumed that man after God would still have limits. They failed to understand until the middle 20th century that man’s need for power did not necessarily contain limits. They  learned, too late, that like the Bill of Rights understands, it is in the “won’ts” on men’s actions that earthly freedom lives.
Freud made the same mistake that the irrational atheists of today still make. They think that because they are influenced by centuries of Christendom's social inertia, that they possess a variant morality that is, if not necessarily better than Christian morality, at least equally valid.

They don't. They possess the increasingly tattered remnants of Christian morality, that is all, and as it fades with each post-Christian generation, the Men of the West devolve into paganism, and not the high paganism that was so virtuous as to compete with early Christianity, but the low paganism of the Celt, the Viking, the Mongol, the Aztec, and the African cannibal.
A young Basongo chief came to our Commandant while at dinner in his tent and asked for the loan of his knife, which, without thinking, the Commandant gave him. He immediately disappeared behind the tent and cut the throat of a little slave-girl belonging to him, and was in the act of cooking her when one of our soldiers saw him. This cannibal was immediately put in irons, but almost immediately after his liberation he was brought in by some of our soldiers who said he was eating children in and about our cantonment. He had a bag slung round his neck which, on examining it, we found contained an arm and leg of a young child.
We're not eating little girls yet, but we're already parting them out and selling them for profit. The post-Christian trend is clear. The abomination of Planned Parenthood is the sin and the horror of American society. It is the proof that God has turned His face away from the once-Christian America and ceased to bless her.

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Anonymous Clint #47/#73 August 01, 2015 12:51 PM  

Leviticus 26:27-33:
And if ye will not for all this hearken unto me, but walk contrary unto me; Then I will walk contrary unto you also in fury; and I, even I, will chastise you seven times for your sins. And ye shall eat the flesh of your sons, and the flesh of your daughters shall ye eat. And I will destroy your high places, and cut down your images, and cast your carcases upon the carcases of your idols, and my soul shall abhor you. And I will make your cities waste, and bring your sanctuaries unto desolation, and I will not smell the savour of your sweet odours. And I will bring the land into desolation: and your enemies which dwell therein shall be astonished at it. And I will scatter you among the heathen, and will draw out a sword after you: and your land shall be desolate, and your cities waste.

We are getting there quickly.

Anonymous Kreator August 01, 2015 12:53 PM  

But Vox, don't you understand? Those bad things happens because good people still believe into the Bronze Age theories of nomadic sheep herders, if all people opened their eyes, minds and asses to the inherent good that is Atheism then the whole world would be bathed under the light of a new, shiny, sexy, secular utopia.

Blogger Alexander August 01, 2015 12:53 PM  

Well yes... But look at the variety of restaurants we have! You have to take the bad with the good.

Blogger VD August 01, 2015 12:56 PM  

But look at the variety of restaurants we have!

You ain't seen nothing yet.

Blogger Floyd Looney August 01, 2015 12:58 PM  

There was some person on Twitter (supposedly female) talking about how religion should be illegal. She wanted to make it a serious crime to teach "fantasy" to people and all that. So I brought up whether Bruce Jenner as a women, babies as fetal tissue, man-made global warming and such were also fantasies. The reply was "I wasn't looking for debate". Then I asked "who decides? who gets this tyrannical power to judge words and thoughts?"... but I decided to block her instead. lol. I don't need that aggravation.

Anonymous BGS August 01, 2015 1:01 PM  

Have you ever asked someone promoting diversity to name 3 benefits other than food & music?

Blogger Rantor August 01, 2015 1:01 PM  

And Freud fought with God. After his death, three copies of the Holy Bible, Old and New Testaments were found in his library. He had read the Word,written in the margins and mentally fought with what he saw. There is no evidence that he ever confessed Christ, but he knew with whom he was fighting.

Today's irrational atheist do not appear to be so well acquainted with the true subject of their theories. They lack an understanding of who God is and what he can do. If man is merely another animal, as many would have us believe, then abortion and other deadly sins have no spiritual meaning and as we see, theoretically intelligent people, (they are MDs, right?) do not show any sign of the self control Freud expected them to have.

Of course history, well before Freud's day, showed that the brilliant minds that often created great works, empires, and civilizations were often strangers to spiritual truth and had no interest in behaving according to Biblical morals. Freud's expectations were thus counter to experience, counter to spiritual truth, and an attempt to justify his own and perhaps his friend's immorality.

Blogger Floyd Looney August 01, 2015 1:02 PM  

Bernie Sanders should tell his followers they don't need more than one brand of fast food and see how that works out.

Blogger Latigo3 August 01, 2015 1:04 PM  

I had a heated discussion with someone yesterday. Like most liberals he thinks that religion is the cause of all the world's ills. He got angry and flustered though, when i commenced to tell him about the evils of Robespierre, Stalin, Mao, etc. He was angry when I told him that the numbers don't even compare (thanks to The Irrational Atheist). This guy happens to be my boss, and this is nit the first discussion we have had. As a Christian I will defend and propagate the Gospel, yet reading this blog has added to my arsenal. Keep it up Vox

Anonymous zen0 August 01, 2015 1:05 PM  

The abomination of Planned Parenthood is the sin and the horror of American society.

Mark Steyn points out:

And, putting aside whether one is "pro-life" or "pro-choice", the nature of the abortions in those other countries is different: again, as I told Sean, in France abortion is legal up to 12 weeks; Italy, 13 weeks; Norway, 18 weeks, but it requires the approval of a government commission. Nowhere else in the western world takes 39-week-old "fetuses", delivers them sufficiently to preserve the commercially valuable parts and then crushes the non-sellable parts in order to preserve a technical denial of infanticide. That is a uniquely American evil, and Americans should be utterly ashamed of it. American liberals ought to understand that in far more left-wing societies (Scandinavia, the Netherlands, France) they do not do this - because it's not a left/right thing, it's a good/bad thing, and Planned Parenthood's abortion-industrial complex is on the wrong side of that divide.

Obviously, the more socialist countries of Europe are part of the right wing's War on Women.

Anonymous LES August 01, 2015 1:06 PM  

IAny comparison of similarities to current events is purely intentional.

Blogger Alexander August 01, 2015 1:12 PM  

But look at the variety of restaurants we have!

You ain't seen nothing yet.


I look forward to the first non-ironic restaurant "to serve man".

Blogger Ragin' Dave August 01, 2015 1:13 PM  

The atheists are the spoiled children who have squandered their parent's inheritance, and then wonder why more money doesn't come rolling in. "B-b-b-but, there's ALWAYS been enough money in my account! What went wrong?"

The code of conduct that restrains civilized men was inherently Christian. The morals that formed that code of conduct were Christian. If you deny Christianity, and you refuse to teach Christianity, and you deride Christianity and all it's works, then the social mores and ethics that were formed by Christianity will begin to crumble, and you're left with whatever is still standing.

So the African cannibals, and the child-raping muslims who you embrace will have a field day, once the Christians who were protecting you leave you alone.

Blogger Danby August 01, 2015 1:19 PM  

No, that's not even the savage Paganism of the Vikings and the Huns. Northern (and Eastern) Paganism was still an attempt to approach the Divine, even though born out of fatalism and despair. That's simple butchery, of the type one sees only in Animist societies, or men who have given up the idea of Deity entirely.
You are correct, however, that it's what you get when you abandon God. The Atheists want to remove one or two restraints on their own behavior, usually the restraints against sexual license or pride. What they don't seem to get is that you can't remove one or two by removing religion entire, you remove all of them.

Anonymous LES August 01, 2015 1:26 PM  

If utilitarianism is your philosophy then nothing can be denied.

Anonymous BGS August 01, 2015 1:26 PM  

What would you call stealing Hippy's babies?

"Rochester General Hospital stating that their policy is to take newborns into medical custody if their parents refuse Vitamin K and erythromycin."
http://medicalkidnap.com/2015/07/31/rochester-general-hospital-in-ny-newborn-policy-includes-medical-kidnapping/

France abortion is legal up to 12 weeks; Italy, 13 weeks; Norway, 18 weeks

There are women that might not know they are pregnant then.

Anonymous Godfrey August 01, 2015 1:29 PM  

Wait a minute... just wait a minute... yeah, the post-Christian world hasn't worked out as planned so far. But... but, give it time. The bright shiny science-based secular egalitarian utopia is just around the corner. YOU JUST HAVE TO HAVE FAITH!

Anonymous Red Comet August 01, 2015 1:34 PM  

BGS @2:

Is music even a benefit? Meheecans, Indians, muzzies, and the rest have like one song each with subtle variations.

Even the Japanese only had the one song until they started liking the white man's rock and roll.

Blogger Floyd Looney August 01, 2015 1:35 PM  

@16 I'm pretty sure they knew they had sex.

Blogger Floyd Looney August 01, 2015 1:35 PM  

@18 "In my day we had one song! And we liked it!'

lol

Anonymous PLC August 01, 2015 1:40 PM  

I can see the Gawker headlines:

You won't believe what happened when one grandmother decided to become one with her grandkids
Sorry, Pope Francis, human meat is delicious. It's just not kosher.
Why the taboo on cannibalism is problematic and racist
My parents feed me for a week. Literally

Blogger Nikis-Knight August 01, 2015 1:40 PM  

I've been feeling more like Jonah than Abraham lately. God is truly merciful, but I'd be hard pressed to object to some judgement about now.

"Rochester General Hospital stating that their policy is to take newborns into medical custody if their parents refuse Vitamin K and erythromycin."
http://medicalkidnap.com/2015/07/31/rochester-general-hospital-in-ny-newborn-policy-includes-medical-kidnapping/"

I believe it. And alot of those infant treatments are for fringe cases, like only necessary for circumcism (vitamin k) or if the mother has open std sores (eye drops).
But the point, I think, is to use any bloody excuse to put the fear of the state into parents who show they might deviate from the party thinking.

Blogger James Dixon August 01, 2015 1:41 PM  

> Even the Japanese only had the one song until they started liking the white man's rock and roll.

And what do you think the root of rock and roll were?

Blogger VD August 01, 2015 1:41 PM  

Even the Japanese only had the one song until they started liking the white man's rock and roll.

True, but now they have surpassed us. ニッポン饅頭 !

Anonymous zen0 August 01, 2015 1:48 PM  

@16 BGS

> There are women that might not know they are pregnant then.

(Well, that is not the point of the comparison, but if we must:)


Apparently there are women who do not know they are pregnant until it drops in to the Walmart parking lot or pops out during an Air Canada flight from. Hardly a thing to hinge public policy on.

Anonymous karsten August 01, 2015 1:50 PM  

"No, that's not even the savage Paganism of the Vikings and the Huns. Northern (and Eastern) Paganism was still an attempt to approach the Divine, even though born out of fatalism and despair. That's simple butchery, of the type one sees only in Animist societies, or men who have given up the idea of Deity entirely."

Agreed.

Blogger YIH August 01, 2015 1:56 PM  

@3 Alexander:
But look at the variety of restaurants we have!
I always get a kick out of that line. What is claimed to be 'Italian', 'chinese' or 'mexican' food in the American Empire bears only a passing resemblance to the genuine article.
Which in some cases (certain ingredients such as cats, dogs, insects, and lasagna del topo) I'd just as soon not partake of.

Anonymous Aeoli Pera August 01, 2015 2:02 PM  

Freud was a melonhead, and a melon's gonna melon. Glad to hear he came around at the end though.

Anonymous BGS August 01, 2015 2:05 PM  

"know they are pregnant until it drops in to the Walmart parking lot or pops out during an Air Canada flight from. Hardly a thing to hinge public policy on "
"only necessary for circumcism (vitamin k) or if the mother has open std sores (eye drops). "

What a bunch of racists don't you know certain minorities lack the "future orientation" to know they have gone a month without a period & the disparate impact of STD sores in the same is the STR8 white church going Christian mans fault? We have to make policy based on the stupidest person such as swimming pools alarms advocated by moms of dead kids who wouldn't have bothered to respond or put new batteries in such alarms.

Anonymous Samuel Scott August 01, 2015 2:13 PM  

Is music even a benefit? Meheecans, Indians, muzzies, and the rest have like one song each with subtle variations.

Uh, most (modern) Western pop and rock music is just three chords repeated over and over again -- C, D, and G, in one example -- with a bridge in the middle.

Blogger Bateful Higot August 01, 2015 2:28 PM  

"WE HAVE NO KING BUT PC!"
-Modern Churchian

As we descend into decadence, those who truly believe will find themselves rather lonely. It's best to let this run its course. Let the traitorous churches die and wither for selling their faith, piece by piece. Like the wildfires of California, it is only a part of the natural cycle to enable new, healthier growth.

Anonymous ivvenalis August 01, 2015 2:30 PM  

American soldiers are routinely instructed not to intervene in local practices of obviously coercive pederasty. If Afghans ate their boys after they raped them, I'm not sure the situation would be any different.

Anonymous Anonymous Bosch August 01, 2015 2:41 PM  

Anytime someone talks about a return to paganism, I feel obligated to bring up C.S. Lewis' poem "Cliche Came Out of Its Cage." I'm certain Lewis knew his secular contemporaries (and milquetoast "Christian" companions) weren't half the men the ancient pagans were.

"Are these the Pagans you spoke of? Know your betters and crouch, dogs"

Blogger haus frau August 01, 2015 2:45 PM  

Well, at least we will be protected by the PC police for a little while. If white Americans picked up a taste for cannibalism it would quickly be labeled "cultural appropriation" and heartily discouraged.

Anonymous Geoff August 01, 2015 2:49 PM  

"I look forward to the first non-ironic restaurants to "serve man"."

Sexist!

Women are tasty, too.

But babies are a special delicacy.


Blogger Rantor August 01, 2015 2:55 PM  

@28 Aeoli Pera I don't think Freud ever accepted Christ, just saying he had read all about it. His last book was Moses and Monotheism which argued with the Old Testament (Freud wrote that Moses was Egyptian, the Jews killed him in the desert, they feel guilty). Anyway he wrote it as he was dying of cancer.

Blogger haus frau August 01, 2015 2:56 PM  

"A young Basongo chief came to our Commandant while at dinner in his tent and asked for the loan of his knife.....He immediately disappeared behind the tent and cut the throat of a little slave-girl belonging to him, and was in the act of cooking her when one of our soldiers saw him."

This makes me regard King Leopold II of Belgium in a much kinder light.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan August 01, 2015 2:56 PM  

Yes, yes, yes and all that, but think of how much Lindy West would be worth on the hoof?

Blogger D. Lane (#0067) August 01, 2015 3:01 PM  

But babies are a special delicacy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1XfGTO2vh8

Blogger Kull August 01, 2015 3:02 PM  

Two cannibals are eating a clown. One looks at the other at says, "Does this taste funny to you?"

In pagan Europe human sacrifice was common. Strangely absent from modern Wicca practice. But anyway, I don't recall any cannibalism being mentioned in Tacitus or any other source. Anyone remember any?

Anonymous WillBest August 01, 2015 3:12 PM  

We have to make policy based on the stupidest person such as swimming pools alarms advocated by moms of dead kids who wouldn't have bothered to respond or put new batteries in such alarms.

I rather like my town's Thor lightening detection system, though if it wasn't there when I moved in I doubt I would have voted for it. I am curious as to why it sounds as late as 10:30 at night when allowing your children outside after 8pm probably constitutes child abuse these days.

OpenID vfm360 August 01, 2015 3:20 PM  

@21 I can see the Gawker headlines

Or the BuzzFeed ones:

25 Delicious Ways to Cook Your Man
Which Body Part Should You Cook Tonight?
A Man Killed His Wife, You Won't Believe What He Cooked Up Next

Blogger automatthew August 01, 2015 3:20 PM  

I don't recall any cannibalism being mentioned in Tacitus or any other source. Anyone remember any?

Some in Herodotos

Blogger ray August 01, 2015 3:21 PM  

"He had read the Word,written in the margins and mentally fought with what he saw. There is no evidence that he ever confessed Christ, but he knew with whom he was fighting."


A revealing comment. Sigmund had his OWN post-Enlightenment, humanist Holy Opinions. He wanted to be Important. Like his successor, the very bright Jung. Their opinions, theories, reputations, student followings etc. were more vital than the truth. Accepting the truth meant they were not the best among men.... perhaps not even particularly wise. It meant following their ancient betters, and obeying the already extant truth, instead of making new stuff up to look good, with fancy intellectual new names. MY system with MY terminology.

Most men walking away from one of Christ's talks/miracles didn't reject what they'd heard and seen. They rejected that somebody existed who was patently superior to themselves, and this they would not, and will not, have. They'd go away arguing with Jehovah, Yeah well if I had been given all the goodies like Jeshua, I could do those things too! It's unfair and discriminatory. Not only that, I'd do them better, and then create a system whereby the Romans would blah blah blah me me me.

Lucifer is smart too, heck perhaps even smarter than Sigmund Freud and Sonia Sotomayor and Richard Dawkins. But without humility and acceptance of place, it all turns to shit and tyranny.

Blogger automatthew August 01, 2015 3:22 PM  

The Issedones and Massegetae don't appear to have been European though.

Blogger bob k. mando August 01, 2015 3:27 PM  

16. BGS August 01, 2015 1:26 PM
There are women that might not know they are pregnant then.



then they should try losing weight.

Blogger ray August 01, 2015 3:36 PM  

"Is music even a benefit? Meheecans, Indians, muzzies, and the rest have like one song each with subtle variations."


Hello (c)rap. One song with endless non-creative permutations. Affirmative-action music. Oh and best of all, in the Egalitarian Spirit, anyone can be an artist! No need to struggle or sacrifice or practice.

At least the multiculti restaurants provide actual food. America's New Music is all cheese whiz.

Blogger bob k. mando August 01, 2015 3:54 PM  

straight outta ... Compton?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NG2EGOB9-lc&feature=youtu.be

Blogger haus frau August 01, 2015 3:55 PM  

Speaking of Africa, Robert Mugabe condemns white people for spending huge sums of money in his country to hunt Zambabwe's wildlife.
"“Zimbabwe has lots of safaris, but very few are African,” the leader said, according to the Associated Press. “Most are white-owned. In our region, we have the most safaris and animals. But we are not going to invade those forests.”

The Mugabe screed continued: The United States “can’t have it both ways. … They can’t say ‘allow our people to visit, allow our people to have safaris,’ to kill our lions and take safari trophies to America.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/03/02/zimbabwes-mugabe-condemns-white-safaris-eats-baby-elephant-at-lavish-birthday-bash/

Blogger kh123 August 01, 2015 3:56 PM  

"He concludes that all religious beliefs are “illusions and insusceptible of proof."

Given Thomas, I'd say the opposite's the case. "I know, and yet I do not..."

Anonymous kfg August 01, 2015 4:01 PM  

"Hello (c)rap. One song with endless non-creative permutations. Affirmative-action music."

Invented by a white, Okie Jesus freak, who called it Talking Blues. Its foundation was the "blues" of the Scots, which they called a Lament, and square dance calling.

Anonymous Takin' a look August 01, 2015 4:08 PM  

A long pork variant of turducken? Basongo-Comanche fusion?

Anonymous Stg58 / Animal Mother #225 August 01, 2015 4:19 PM  

Oh well if that's Rochester General's policy, then ok.

Fuck those people. They think their policy is automatically law at a whim?

Blogger The Deuce August 01, 2015 4:44 PM  

While I agreed with the overall thrust of Jared Taylor's post yesterday, this highlights the main part I disagreed with. He argued at one point that civilization doesn't run on principles, but just on people, and that whites create good civilizations even when they don't share conservative or Christian principles, using the secular, soft-socialist Scandinavians as an example. I disagree. The Scandinavians are surviving on civilizational inertia. I most definitely would not wanted to live near them in their pagan days when they were raping and pillaging everyone, and I don't think I'm going to want to live near them in the future, when they've either replaced themselves with Muslims in their suicidal nihilism, or turned to neo-pagan brutality to survive.

Anonymous A loving Tribute to Falco August 01, 2015 4:59 PM  

and not the high paganism that was so virtuous as to compete with early Christianity

Please expalin why post-Christianity will not be similar to what you describe as the "high" paganism of ancient Greece and Rome and must be "low" paganism. Abortion?

Anonymous AntoniaT August 01, 2015 5:05 PM  

One of the few problems with Western Christians in the 21st century is that a small number believe a third of what Vox Day claims in this post.

It's hard to know why this is. I doubt it's a matter of the kind of willful ignorance on display here. Nor can it be a matter of stupidity or an uneducated mind.

In any case, the silver lining is that those who believe any or all of this tribe are few--making Western Civilization relatively safe from their influence.

Anonymous Big Bill August 01, 2015 5:06 PM  

Africans STILL eat human beings, and not just for juju power:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/cannibal-restaurant-with-roasted-human-heads-on-the-menu-shut-down-by-police-9123693.html

It's delicious AND nutritious!

Read the article carefully and THINK. Imagine how many (supposedly) civilized Africans HAD to be in on the "secret" if a restaurant in a freaking HOTEL could serve human flesh as a MENU item for 50 times the price of a regular meal. Cannibalism isn't done by some strange cult in a remote village. Regular, everyday, educated, rich (and doubtless not-so-rich) Africans in cities eat human flesh by common knowledge.

Why do we permit any African to move here?

Blogger slarrow August 01, 2015 5:14 PM  

Atheists make this mistake all the time. They think they can borrow wholesale the moral precepts from Christianity while denying its foundational truths. Christopher Hitchens was especially bad (and dishonest) on this front. He always pretended that his opponents were claiming that atheists couldn't be moral. They can, but they have to steal their moral precepts and can't ground them on their own principles. Ultimately, they have little more than sentiment and indignation to bolster their beliefs. That works in English and journalism classes, sadly, but an elementary logic course should rip them to shreds.

This is another manifestation of what I've seen referred to as the "cut flowers thesis." This quote from Tolstoy describes it thusly:

"The attempts to found a morality apart from religion are like the attempts of children who, wishing to transplant a flower that pleases them, pluck it from the roots that seem to them unpleasing and superfluous, and stick it rootless into the ground. Without religion there can be no real, sincere morality, just as without roots there can be no real flower."

A bouquet of flowers is beautiful, but ultimately, it is dead.

Anonymous Shutup, Tad August 01, 2015 5:33 PM  

@56

> One of the few problems with Western Christians......

Shutup, Tad

Blogger Salt August 01, 2015 5:49 PM  

Why do we permit any African to move here?

Greater menu selection of dark meats.

Anonymous Rusty Fife August 01, 2015 5:57 PM  

@57 Nigerian cannibal restaurant,

Did you notice the restaurant was in the Anambra State of Nigeria, which is dominated by the high IQ Igbo?

Rusty Fife

Blogger Feather Blade August 01, 2015 6:26 PM  

Please expalin why post-Christianity will not be similar to what you describe as the "high" paganism of ancient Greece and Rome and must be "low" paganism. Abortion?

Because post-Christian moderns won't have any gods to keep them honest. It's the paganism that of '"everyone did what was right in his own eyes."

Blogger Cail Corishev August 01, 2015 6:47 PM  

@62, right.

There's a small minority of people rejecting Churchianity and going back to more rigorous forms of Christianity. Then there's an even smaller set who are moving to what they see as rigorous forms of paganism. But most post-Christians are leaving Churchianity for something even less demanding, so they're going to various styles of "do what thou wilt," whether it be atheism, New Age, Wicca, Satanism, etc.

Those forms of "high paganism" developed over centuries in particular cultures and racial groups. There's no reason to think the grandchildren of today's Churchians will just stumble over them somehow. "Good" religions (not to mention the True one) don't just happen very often.

Anonymous Whitey McWhite August 01, 2015 6:58 PM  

Cail Corishev: "Those forms of "high paganism" developed over centuries in particular cultures and racial groups. There's no reason to think the grandchildren of today's Churchians will just stumble over them somehow. "Good" religions (not to mention the True one) don't just happen very often."

Right.

And Judeo-Christianity is an unprecedented corrupting force. Freud the mental plague-bringer himself was a good example of it.

Anonymous Whitey McWhite August 01, 2015 7:02 PM  

Instead of "unprecedented" I should have said "unique". Semitic Carthage is a sort of precedent, and in another way ancient Judaism itself.

The forced of the corrupters of all is unparalleled but not unheralded.

Anonymous Whitey McWhite August 01, 2015 7:08 PM  

We must hold on to our Judeo-Christian morality, because this good tree brings forth such good fruit.

Will you have some of the human baby legs? They're delicious. We can afford nice things now, because the market in butchered baby bits is booming.

Anonymous Difster VFM #109 August 01, 2015 7:09 PM  

Planned Parenthood doesn't need to be defunded, it needs to be dismembered.

#dismemberPP

Blogger Floyd Looney August 01, 2015 7:10 PM  

Everyone knows about the debauchery of many of the Roman emperors, but do you want to know why those empires stood? Because nobody else (maybe a few) was acting were acting like that. If everyone had behaved like Caligula, we might not even know there had been a Roman Empire because of the damage.

Anonymous Whitey McWhite August 01, 2015 7:22 PM  

@68. Floyd Looney, right. Races, nations, societies and cultures are lifted up and kept going by the great numbers of people that don't practice the corruption.

The kings of Egypt were marrying their sisters, but nobody else was, or Egypt would not have slowly declined through poor leadership, it would have disintegrated on a genetic level, with a three thousand year run being impossible.

Anonymous Sir Dowser. August 01, 2015 7:28 PM  

Moral codes preparing Christianity are strewn throughout ancient civilization. Many of them have similar precepts also found within the Christian teachings. Reciprocity based on empathy is one example. There appear to be basic moral concepts common to humanity.

Anonymous Whitey McWhite August 01, 2015 7:31 PM  

Very often, the corruption comes from the top. Sometimes it's from those who have enough power to do evil and damn the critics. The Caligula types are bad enough. Sometimes it's from strange advisers and priests crowding around the kings, such as child-kings and inbred incompetents. That's worse. In the worst case, the strange advisers are ethnic enemies, with an interest in corrupting the people and above all the ruling class as much as possible. That's our condition.

Anonymous Sir Dowser August 01, 2015 7:36 PM  

Whitey,

I see a lot of straight, whit Christians at the top.

Anonymous The other robot August 01, 2015 7:36 PM  

Can we trust that material from <a href="http://www.heretical.com</a>

We have always been told that the magic of geographic relocation is uplifting and transforms savages into civilized beings.

Anonymous Godfrey August 01, 2015 7:40 PM  

Cannibalism will be another step forward for mankind. Just as living in caves will be. Don't you understand? This is progress! Ugh... ugh, ugh.

Anonymous Godfrey August 01, 2015 7:41 PM  

Ugh... ooga...ugh,ugh.

Anonymous zen0 August 01, 2015 7:44 PM  

@70 Sir Dowser

> There appear to be basic moral concepts common to humanity.

There appear to be basic moral concepts common to a functioning civilization, humanity not so much.

The code of Hammurabi comes to mind. The code of Hammurabi, however, was not specifically designed for "a nation of priests and a Holy Nation"., which is what the Torah was designed to do.

Anonymous Whitey McWhite August 01, 2015 7:53 PM  

Sir Dowser: "Whitey,

I see a lot of straight, whit Christians at the top."

I do too. But though they are straight they are all for the sodomite rainbow; and though they are genetically white, politically and culturally they are anti-white; and though many of them are Christian they boast Judeo-Christian principles. (And often relatives too, and certainly advisers and financial backers.)

They are no better than Janissaries.

Blogger Corvinus August 01, 2015 8:04 PM  

I do too. But though they are straight they are all for the sodomite rainbow; and though they are genetically white, politically and culturally they are anti-white; and though many of them are Christian they boast Judeo-Christian principles. (And often relatives too, and certainly advisers and financial backers.)

They are no better than Janissaries.


@77 Whitey McWhite

We need to call them what they are: SJWs/progs (if D) and cuckservatives (if R).

Anonymous Sir Dowser August 01, 2015 8:12 PM  

Zeno

Get two people together and you have civilization. To be human is to be social. Society is the foundation of morals and ethics, particularly the common morals and ethics found across tom and space. There is no need for morals if we are in isolation.

Blogger Cee August 01, 2015 8:24 PM  

@27 lasagna del topo

I think the internet is trying to protect me from whatever horror this might be because this comment section is the only place that returns that phrase.

Anonymous Miserman August 01, 2015 8:28 PM  

"All democrats object to men being disqualified by the accident of birth; tradition objects to their being disqualified by the accident of death." - G.K. Chesterton, Orthodoxy

Modern progress of thought declares that once a man is dead, his ideas are dead and in need replacing by new ideas conjured from the minds of the young and inexperienced ... until they, too, grow old and die.

Anonymous Whitey McWhite August 01, 2015 8:29 PM  

@78 Corvinus, yes. (Though not only that, as I'm sure you agree.)

Confucius was right: to repair a decadent and disordered society we need a rectification of names. While things and people are still called by wrong names, rewards and punishments will still be wrong. While rewards and punishments are still wrong, conduct will still be wrong. While conduct remains wrong, a society exhibiting the rewards of filial piety, loyalty, righteousness etc. cannot be (re) constructed. Therefore begin with right names.

And of course we have to fight w-word g-word thing-that-shall-not-be-mentioned, or nothing else counts.

Anonymous Whitey McWhite August 01, 2015 8:34 PM  

Miserman: "Modern progress of thought declares that once a man is dead, his ideas are dead and in need replacing by new ideas conjured from the minds of the young and inexperienced ... until they, too, grow old and die."

These new ideas often haven't changed much since Karl Marx or the Frankfort School, and they are found in the minds of young people because Mommy Professor pounds them in there, like generations of Mommy Professors before her.

Anonymous Whitey McWhite August 01, 2015 9:08 PM  

@76. zen0 "There appear to be basic moral concepts common to a functioning civilization, humanity not so much."

I agree.

@79. Sir Dowser: "Get two people together and you have civilization."

A simple, neutral, bright-line understanding of "civilization" is: "society that generates and sustains cities". Civilizations can be good or bad (and I think a civilization with a government-subsidized market in butchered baby bits is clearly evil), but they all exhibit the achievements that make it possible to build and sustain cities. (I do not think it counts if parasites or barbarians merely inhabit and run down cities somebody else built.)

If an archeologist digs for civilization, he is digging for cities; he is not digging for whether he likes or dislikes their ancient inhabitants.

Two people who come together to wander like nomads or brigands, or to kill and rob each other, fall a long way short of that definition of "civilization".

@79. Sir Dowser: "To be human is to be social."

Yes.

@79. Sir Dowser: "Society is the foundation of morals and ethics, particularly the common morals and ethics found across tom and space. There is no need for morals if we are in isolation."

Yes if we agree on what we mean by that, and I suspect we don't. One human being cannot sustain himself; only societies can sustain anything, including morals. If one man is alone, wait a bit, and he dies; then he has no need for anything.

An individual can treat himself well or badly; he can educate himself or not, he can cultivate himself physically or not, and so on. But his self-care will be incomplete unless it includes his social nature, which includes his ethnic / genetic interests, and I would argue also his religious interests.

Blogger ray August 01, 2015 9:18 PM  

"Invented by a white, Okie Jesus freak, who called it Talking Blues"

Heh. Also, the Beats were doing the same thing in the fifties, w/o the African rhythms. Pathetic.

When Berry Gordy signed acts, he sent them to Charm School, to learn how to be human beings, before the cut disks. It showed in quality of music and presentation. Now, talentless skanks and thugs get free millions for acting like assholes, and never come close to producing anything that will go into eternity. Here's my gun, lower all the standards, or discrimination. I'm a celebrity or riots.

Blogger Corvinus August 01, 2015 9:21 PM  

And of course we have to fight w-word g-word thing-that-shall-not-be-mentioned, or nothing else counts.

@82 Whitey McWhite

Funny you should mention that... the #WhiteGenocide tag has exploded on the Twatter the other day, a couple days after #cuckservative took off.

Blogger Corvinus August 01, 2015 9:23 PM  

*started *exploding on the Twatter... dern this lack of an "edit" function...

Anonymous Whitey McWhite August 01, 2015 9:27 PM  

Thanks for the good news, Corvinus.

Anonymous BigGaySteve August 01, 2015 9:40 PM  

OT: guess who got their gun from Eric Holder? The moslem art critics in TX http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/la-na-garland-gun-20150801-story.html#page=1

Funny you should mention that... the #WhiteGenocide tag has exploded on the
Looks like the bgs_ twitter account is burned.

Anonymous Wyrd August 01, 2015 10:03 PM  

In pagan Europe human sacrifice was common.

As a Christian, I hate to admit strangling folks for Odin has its appeal in this day and age. May Jesus forgive me for my sins.

Blogger M Cephas August 01, 2015 10:34 PM  

"We're not eating little girls yet, but we're already parting them out and selling them for profit."

I've heard from a man who said he was an ex-Satanist, that he did participate in ritualistic abortion, where the murdered baby was cut up, and given to a group of naked women on the floor who were chanting something.

Those women each ate parts of the baby, raw, and let out demonic shrieks and screams as they did so.

Anonymous Whitey McWhite August 01, 2015 10:53 PM  

The same people generally don't practice every grave vice. Some nations practice senicide, others infanticide. The ancient Egyptians to their credit firmly rejected both, but had incestuous kings. And so on.

What makes us different is that -- in as far as we remain loyal to the guidance of our Judeo-Christian authorities -- we evolve ever further in the direction of every vice that is apt to balk the values necessary for the long term survival of whites. Euthanasia: yes; abortion: yes; homosexuality and corruptions of sexual identity that only generations of malignant intellectuals could dream up: yes, and so on.

We are becoming the sum of all evils: a process that (if not stopped) can only end in our utter moral and physical destruction, both individually and collectively. Which is the point.

Anonymous zen0 August 01, 2015 10:58 PM  

@79 Sir Dowser

> There is no need for morals if we are in isolation.

The only time you would be in perfect isolation is if you were dead.
Hermits have to react with other sentient beings on the planet, be they mammals or insects, or what have you.

To kill or not, to tolerate or not, to feed or not, to exploit or not.

(Has Sir Dowser got anything right yet? I have not seen it)

Anonymous zen0 August 01, 2015 11:02 PM  

@91 M Cephas

and given to a group of naked women on the floor who were chanting something.

Women don't know when to shut up, eh?

Seriously, I think we need a little more evidence, like what exactly the chant was. There are standard forms to be addressed by Satanists, you know.

Blogger Floyd Looney August 01, 2015 11:04 PM  

@91 I wouldn't put anything past these kinds of people

Anonymous zen0 August 01, 2015 11:15 PM  

@ Mr. Whitey

What makes us different is that -- in as far as we remain loyal to the guidance of our Judeo-Christian authorities -- we evolve ever further in the direction of every vice that is apt to balk the values necessary for the long term survival of whites

I am confused. Judaism and Christianity traditionally condemn homosexuality. Who are these Judeo-Christian authorities you refer to?

Anonymous zen0 August 01, 2015 11:16 PM  

Floyd Looney sez: @91 I wouldn't put anything past these kinds of people

Fantasy people have no bounds, so you are correct.

Anonymous zen0 August 01, 2015 11:36 PM  

Sorry. Seem to have shut down another thread.

Mea Culpa

Blogger hightecrebel August 02, 2015 12:19 AM  

@93 with animals, yes, but 'sentient' is questionable. Most animals (and, as far as I.can tell, no insects) meet the subjective standard of.classic sentience. Now, if you mean eastern-style where sentient=living, it might be true, but it has no bearing on the morality of a human interacting with them.

Anonymous Whitey McWhite August 02, 2015 12:41 AM  

@98. zen0, not at all.

@96. zen0: "I am confused. Judaism and Christianity traditionally condemn homosexuality. Who are these Judeo-Christian authorities you refer to?"

I refer to a ruling class that boasts "Judeo-Christian values" and methodically imposes support for homosexual marriage etc. by law. These Judeo-Christians include big financial contributors to political parties, media owners, politicians, Christian clergy who abandon old-school non-"Judeo" values in favor of the rainbow and the Star of David, and so on.

Casino mogul and out-and-proud "social liberal" Sheldon Adelson, financial puppeteer of the cuckservative Republican Party establishment, is an example of a successful Judeo-Christian leader. When multi-billionaire Sheldon Adelson hosts the annual Republican Jewish Coalition conference at his casino in Las Vegas, the Christian politicians who attend compete with each other to show him how quasi-Jewish they are, how devoted to Israel (but not America). Remember?

Three of the nation’s most prominent governors, all touted as potential Republican presidential candidates in 2016, presented advice here Saturday about how their divided and demoralized party should refocus to reclaim the White House.

Under the watchful eyes of a few hundred powerful Jewish donors — none more heavily courted than billionaire casino magnate Sheldon Adelson — Christie, Walker and Kasich also emphasized their support for Israel and advocated a muscular foreign policy.

...

The three seemed less confident speaking about foreign affairs than they were about domestic policy. Christie drew murmurs when he referred to the “occupied territories,” a phrasing some in the audience said was a gaffe.

...

“It’s literally Diet Cokes, coffee and water,” Abboud said. “It’s not about your positions and what you’ll do about it, but about everything — your families, your trips. It’s important to Sheldon to know what makes people tick and to establish a comfort level.

...

Walker talked about his father’s first pilgrimage to Israel in the 1980s. The governor said that at home during the holidays, he displays both a Christmas tree and a menorah. And he said that he had named his first son Matthew, which is translated in Hebrew as “gift of God.”

Christie spoke at length about a recent trip he took to Israel with his family. He said he was taken with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s “strength and ­resolve.” When he met Israeli President Shimon Peres, Christie said, “I felt like he had walked out of a history book.”

Christie also quipped that he likes traveling to Israel because, he said, the country is “about the same size as New Jersey.”


It is not accurate to describe a society with this sort of ruling class, submissive to this sort of moral governance and scornful of "racist" whites and "bigoted" non-Judeo Christians as "Christian" merely because a lot of Christians life under it, or because many important functionaries are Christian. They are not getting their moral or ethnic marching orders from priests, or acting in their own ethnic interests. This is Judeo-Christianity. To put it in the simplest terms, it's Christians carrying out the will of Jews.

Jews, such as Sigmund Freud, are important in this context -- important sources of corruption.

Indo-European religion, despised by Jews, is a non-factor. Indo-European moral teachers like Tacitus are... who?

What we are seeing is absolutely not a new paganism. Nor is it old Christianity. Nor is it the pro-collective-survival values orthodox Jews favor for themselves. This is the imposition of anti-collective-survival values on whites, meaning in recent history white Christians. It is Judeo-Christianity.

Anonymous The other robot August 02, 2015 12:52 AM  

Family values in Mexico includes rape.

Anonymous Whitey McWhite August 02, 2015 1:04 AM  

@99. hightecrebel, I think this is a good example of the difference that religious context makes.

If one's cultural history is Christian, with a strong view of Man as the image of God and animals and insects as no such thing, then of course one can talk unreservedly about a man being alone though surrounded by living creatures. And even if you abandon the Christianity, but carry over a lot of assumptions without thinking of it, you may still speak the same way. But that won't last.

Eventually, in one generations or another, you will have three options. You can go back to Christianity, and get back with it all the deep reasons that warrant your assumptions. Or you can move to another religion, that had better be a good one and suitable to your nature. Then you'll gradually pick up some different assumptions, the effects of which in the modern world may be hard to guess. But you will have a guide, maybe an inconvenient one, but proven, within limits. Or you can drift farther and farther out into the dark, sans oars or rudder, in perhaps the most morally and intellectually corrupting environment that our race has ever known, and let whatever will happen to you, body, soul and community, happen.

From the trade in butchered baby bits, I conclude that enough of the powerful people in society have tacitly chosen the "drift into dark" option to produce any evil, or even all evils, and they are not coming back.

Blogger IM2L844 August 02, 2015 1:25 AM  

One can sin against God without interacting with other human beings.

Anonymous Whitey McWhite August 02, 2015 1:32 AM  

If I called the dominant religious order "Christianity" merely because many Christians live under it, it would be unfair. It would imply that Christians ought to search their consciences because of what their Christian rulers, answerable to them alone and acting in their interest, do. But that's not how it is.

How is a sincere Christian supposed to be morally accountable for what a politician does, who at Christmas time doesn't orient himself to the religious symbols that they do, but to both a Christmas tree and a menorah?

(Or who feels he has to say things like that, because the Jews under whose scrutiny he lives and dies are so overwhelmingly powerful.)

How do you blame straight-living people for what is imposed on them by representatives of an Eyes Wide Shut ruling class, gathered to worship the idols of vice at a casino, a place where the decent people would never go, and which they would likely ban if they had the power? It's beyond unjust; it's absurd.

To blame Christians for what a ruling elite like this does would be like blaming sheep for what wolves do.

Blogger rho August 02, 2015 1:45 AM  

The post-Christian trend is clear. The abomination of Planned Parenthood is the sin and the horror of American society. It is the proof that God has turned His face away from the once-Christian America and ceased to bless her.

White, or black.

Blogger James Higham August 02, 2015 3:19 AM  

That oftspoken of Tribulation?

Blogger ScuzzaMan August 02, 2015 3:44 AM  

Freud was right about one thing; absent a fundamental change in human nature religion will continue to dominate human affairs.

Since no such change has occurred the atheists make a fatal error in their crusade against religion, because they fail to perceive that the only way to displace a religion is to REplace it with another.
They are utterly blind to the fact that their own philosophy IS a religion. Thus they negate themselves.

Anonymous anonymous coward August 02, 2015 4:50 AM  

Moral codes preparing Christianity are strewn throughout ancient civilization. Many of them have similar precepts also found within the Christian teachings.
Well, yes. Mankind's original religion was monotheistic in the Christian vein. Later paganisms are a degeneration of the original religion. (One can still see this process clearly in places like China.)

This is the importance of the Old Testament and of Old-Testament Jews: they managed to preserve the original monotheist religion despite all odds.

Anonymous Logan August 02, 2015 7:03 AM  

Yep. Late night talk show hosts cry over the death of a single lion, yet no mention of Planned Parenthood profiting from butchering babies.

Anonymous Jeff Wood August 02, 2015 9:00 AM  

Cee @80

Vox won't tell you, and neither will I.

Trust me. You do not want to know.

Anonymous Eric the Red August 02, 2015 9:59 AM  

It is always a marvel to me when (rarely) viewing the History channel or the like, that archeologists, historians, and anthropologists inevitably default to an explanation of religion whenever confronted with some artifact or datum that they otherwise don't really understand. In fact, in the entire history of mankind, each and every great civilization that ever existed had an overarching religion that guided not only the spiritual beliefs but most importantly the day-to-day affairs of its people.

And yet, when it comes to modern Western society, the self-proclaimed secular intelligentsia absolutely refuse to consider that religion is required for anything that will continue to be a great civilization.

In their thinly-disguised hatred of God, Christianity, and themselves, they have ultimately abandoned reason itself.

Anonymous George of the Jungle August 02, 2015 10:20 AM  

@27

...goes for me, too. Any Thai restaurant in the US is absolutely not like the real stuff you get in northern Thailand (Isaan), which is full of grass, grubs, insects, tadpoles, and other gagworthy items, all served cold and usually marinated in rotten fish sauce.

Hell, even the Thais know deep in their heart of hearts that it's bad, which is why they historically got into the habit of drowning every dish in the hottest chillies they could find to disguise the real taste. But hell, since it all comes down to celebrating diversity, a lack of real cultural knowledge is worth it, right?

Anonymous HolyCow August 02, 2015 11:16 AM  

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Anonymous Eric Ashley August 02, 2015 11:58 AM  

Whitey is correct about def. of 'civilization' which is why I have wondered if civilization is that great a thing.

Blogger Danby August 02, 2015 12:20 PM  

Modern secularists surely don't demonstrate a hatred of themselves. And I think you confuse indifference of God/Christianity/religion for hatred of God/Christianity/Religion
False on two counts. The exaggerated self-regard is a defense mechanism against corrosie self-hatred, And how me the Atheist who does not despise Christ and Christ's disciples. many claim that to be their attitude, but they are again lying to themselves.

What I think you don't appreciate is how religion (of all sorts) has been a repository for the various basic ethical standards that most civilizations (and even communities) must possess in order to survive, let alone survive. Yet some men's propensity to break these basic rules (to steal, lie and kill) require that these most basic ethical and moral rules be understood as come from beyond (and above) man. Hence, religion.
Religion has also served us well as a mean of living in and a largely inexplicable world. Gods are convenient.

...he said with a superior sneer. Honest to God, could you Atheists make yourselves any less likable? How about "Truth is convenient."

Blogger Cail Corishev August 02, 2015 12:28 PM  

I was watching Sir Kenneth Clark's excellent documentary Civilisation. In the introduction he says, "People sometimes tell me they prefer barbarism to civilization. I doubt they've given it a long enough trial."

Anonymous HolyCow August 02, 2015 4:30 PM  

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Blogger Danby August 02, 2015 5:28 PM  

It's entirely possible to be indifferent about God and Christianity and hate neither in the same way one might be indifferent about soda pop yet not hate it.
I never said it was impossible, just that it was not observable in nature. Take yourself for example...

Blogger Wayne Earl August 02, 2015 8:08 PM  

@117,

But don't you understand? The reverse of Loving and obeying Gods Law is NOT hatred of it. The reverse is indifference to it.

The renegade and rebel is even more of a conformist then the flock - he defines himself by which he hates or is not a part of.

Anonymous Sarcophilous August 02, 2015 10:52 PM  

Lewis: Abolition of Man. Keeping the shadow but not the substance of the Tao. Even the Christians and others are not horrified that a human heart has stopped, onlymthatmit might end up on eBay,

Anonymous HolyCow August 02, 2015 11:35 PM  

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Anonymous Eric the Red August 03, 2015 12:21 AM  

@117
"It's entirely possible to be indifferent about God and Christianity and hate neither in the same way one might be indifferent about soda pop yet not hate it."

Methinks thou doth protest too much. Bright shining leftist theory versus reality. Or you're simply giving us the standard disingenuous leftist cant about how YOU don't qualify for such aspersions cast by those evil kneejerk reactionaries, and YOU don't know about anyone else that does either, and so of course absolutely nobody and certainly no majority of your leftist brethren ever exhibit hate or base their entire careers and existence on overthrowing God and Christianity wherever they find it in society. And in other fantasies, there is no ACLU, there is no SPLC, there is no Harvard philosophy department, there are unicorns that fart candy skittles, etc. etc. You certainly live in a wonderful albeit fanciful world fueled by nothing but your memes, narratives, and barely-contained arrogance.

Good luck with all that.

Anonymous HolyCow August 03, 2015 12:51 AM  

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Anonymous anonymous coward August 03, 2015 4:34 AM  

And yet, when it comes to modern Western society, the self-proclaimed secular intelligentsia absolutely refuse to consider that religion is required for anything that will continue to be a great civilization.
Not really. They have an official state religion -- secular Gnosticism. They won't come out and say it in plain language because they're afraid, Western Europe has always had a difficult relationship with Gnosticism. Centuries of conflict (Albigensian crusades, Hussite wars, etc.) and millenia of living underground severely warped the way Gnostics interact with mainstream society. They can't help but lie and deflect at every step.

Blogger IM2L844 August 03, 2015 10:08 AM  

"It's entirely possible to be indifferent about God and Christianity..."

It's not only possible, but highly probable that there are those who lack the capacity to think through the ramifications of their flippancy. Luckily, for them, God is an objective moral contextualist with the insight and profundity to parse true intent.

Anonymous HolyCow August 03, 2015 10:18 AM  

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Blogger IM2L844 August 03, 2015 10:53 AM  

Logically, there is some non-zero probability that the Christian God actually exists. It's directly relevant to our very survival. The fundamental significance of that should be patently obvious to anyone with half a brain. Dismissing it out of hand as a matter of taste is absurdly stupid.

Anonymous HolyCow August 03, 2015 11:06 AM  

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Blogger IM2L844 August 03, 2015 11:17 AM  

Well, if the Christian God actually exists then looking at 100 years, give or take, as the yardstick is being extremely shortsighted. However, it's good to know you found the mountains of circumstantial evidence worthy of serious consideration. You'll be without excuse.

Anonymous HolyCow August 03, 2015 11:31 AM  

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Blogger IM2L844 August 03, 2015 12:03 PM  

"In any case, I think my indifference is at least equally valid as a response to the idea of God and Christianity. And this is all I was trying to explain to Danby."

Don't you see that you're not indifferent, but have given the matter "serious consideration" and made a conscious decision that God, even if He does exist, is not worthy of your time?

Anonymous HolyCow August 03, 2015 1:46 PM  

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Blogger JaimeInTexas August 03, 2015 2:25 PM  

@103 Yes.

Anonymous Cuca Culpa August 03, 2015 11:49 PM  

@100 Adelson pumped millions into the campaign against medical pot, so I'm not sure he's that liberal. It does explain Christie's reefer madness blowharding though.

Every time I see stories about politicians social signalling their Hebrew cred, I think of this.

Anonymous Cuca Culpa August 03, 2015 11:51 PM  

Drat, try this link.

Anonymous Whitey McWhite August 04, 2015 6:13 AM  

Cuca Culpa: "Adelson pumped millions into the campaign against medical pot, so I'm not sure he's that liberal."

You're not sure, but he is.

LAS VEGAS, December 14, 2012, (LifeSiteNews.com) – The most influential donor in the Republican Party is a self-described “social liberal” who supports abortion-on-demand and “cradle-to-grave” national health care.

“I’m pro-choice,” he said. “Abortion shouldn’t be brought up as a political issue.”

“I’m in favor of a socialized-like health care…from cradle to grave,” he added, a position he credited to his exposure to Israel’s health care system through his Israeli-born wife, Miriam, and to his Jewish faith.


There are many, many links to basically the same information, which is directly relevant to the butchered baby bits industry and its immunity to political suppression by Christians.

"Post-Christian" morals are modern Jewish morals.

Anonymous Whitey McWhite August 04, 2015 6:14 AM  

Jews have a "curious consensus" on this.

"First, let’s look at the PRRI data. Essentially regardless of denominational affiliation or demographics, American Jews think abortion should be legal in all (49%) or almost all (44%) cases. That is, fully 93% of all American Jews support legalized abortion in some fashion. Even political leanings, while influential, are not determinative. Among Jewish Democrats support is 95%, but 77% of Jewish Republicans also favor legalized abortion in all or most cases, far exceeding the rate of other groups studied.

The comparable numbers for other faith groups is quite different not only in their overall support or opposition to legalized abortion, but in the internal differences within each group. Jews are the only group surveyed in which a plurality support abortion in all cases. While about half of all Jews support abortion in all cases, in no other faith group does such support exceed 25% of the population. Moreover, in comparison to the 93% total of Jews who support legalized abortion in all or most cases, the only other group surveyed that showed clear majority support for legalized abortion was white mainline Protestants (59%). The comparable numbers for black Protestants and Catholics are 50% and 48%. Just one-third of white evangelicals support abortion in all or most situations.

Moreover, while the survey found that just 6% of Jews oppose legalized abortion in most cases and 1% did in all cases, the other groups surveyed were much more diverse in their views. For instance, while 19% of Catholics thought abortion should be illegal in all cases, 31% said only in most cases. Similarly, 21% of white evangelicals opposed legal abortion in all cases, but 44% only opposed it in most cases."

Anonymous Whitey McWhite August 04, 2015 6:15 AM  

David Duke (just because most people don't want to talk about this):

"Who drives the abortion industry in the United States? Want to hazard a guess?

If you said that the main movers and shakers behind the pro-abortion movement in the U.S. are Jews, you win the grand prize.

While there are, of course, pro-life Jews who are disturbed by the abortion rates in both the United States and Israel, I would venture to say that they are certainly in the minority, especially in the U.S. Their low regard for Gentile life at any stage of development is reflected in the number of abortions performed by Jewish doctors (about half of all abortion providers are Jewish) [1] in Jewish owned “women’s clinics” (about a half of all such clinics are owned by Jews) [2] which is way out of proportion when you consider what a small percentage of our population Jews comprise.

Various people have commented publicly about the disproportionate number of Jews in the abortion rights movement. For instance, Kenneth Mitzner, founder of an organization entitled The Pro-life League Against Neo-Hitlerism said:

“It is tragic but demonstrably true that most of the leaders of the pro-abortion movement are of Jewish extraction.” [3]"

Anonymous Whitey McWhite August 04, 2015 6:25 AM  

@135. Cuca Culpa; Given this, what does Jewish influence, including of the (hilarious) kind you linked to, mean for the abortion industry, and for millions of innocent, defenseless human beings?

It means that abortionists will be slaying their millions and their tens of millions, and America is more than half-way to its first hundred killings. There is no innate tendency to stop, ever.

This is the concentrated moral essence of Judeo-Christianity.

Anonymous Whitey McWhite August 04, 2015 6:45 AM  

Do you think it's a coincidence that the Soviet Union, in its early days when according to Putin its leadership was 80-85% Jewish, committed itself to abortion in a way that was and is alien to the main currents of Christian thought?

The Soviet Union too was "post-Christian" too, at least in aspiration; it destroyed many churches (though as far as I can discover not a single synagogue).

But it wasn't all about the Celt, the Viking, the Mongol, the Aztec, and the African cannibal.

Anonymous Whitey McWhite August 04, 2015 8:14 AM  

Try to think of a plausible scenario where a cohesive, ethnocentric, mentally intense, brilliantly intelligent, vociferous, aggressive minority with attitudes like that obtains dominating cultural and political influence over Christians, and it does not result in an abortion industry and millions of killings of innocent, defenseless human beings.

As a practical matter, he who goes to his knees before Jewish power thereby puts innocent millions to the sword.

This doesn't mean rejecting Jewish power is enough to make one innocent. The record of the Celt, the Viking, the Mongol, the Aztec, and the African cannibal -- among others -- is very clear on that.

But it does mean that our entire modern cultural and political regime is rotten from the root. It cannot be reformed; it must be replaced. In no other way can the river of innocent blood be stopped.

Blogger Eric Medvich August 04, 2015 5:46 PM  

Abortion is not proof that 'God has turned away from us....". Abortion is proof that WE have turned AWAY from God. Remember REV 13:17 "And he causes all, the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the free men and the slaves, to be given a mark on their right hand or on their forehead, and he provides that no one will be able to buy or to sell, except the one who has the mark, either the name of the beast or the number of his name." Sound familiar? If you speak against the gynocentric philosophy you will be ejected from the warren.

Blogger Byrnwiga August 04, 2015 6:14 PM  

The European Court of Human Rights said on Tuesday that Italy must recognize the rights of same-sex couples.
https://archive.is/miSQ1

Anonymous Whitey McWhite August 04, 2015 9:05 PM  

https://archive.is/miSQ1

Little by little, worse and worse.

Blogger automatthew August 05, 2015 9:17 AM  

Holy Cow was Tad.

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