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Thursday, August 13, 2015

Seeing the face of evil, and flinching

This is why forcing people to see the truth they are attempting to avoid seeing is important. It makes a difference. It sears the conscience. The five videos released by The Center for Medical Progress have Ruben Navarette rethinking his longtime support for abortion:
I still consider myself pro-choice, as I have for the last 30 years. I staked out this position during my freshmen year in college. Even then, I understood the abortion debate was a tug-of-war between competing rights—those of the mother versus those of an unborn baby. I sided with the mother. And I tried not to think about the baby.

All this was happening in the 1980s, which was a particularly tense time in the abortion debate. Americans were at each other’s throats. Protesters picketed the offices of abortion providers. Clinics were bombed or set on fire. Doctors who performed abortions were being threatened. The Moral Majority, Operation Rescue, and the Republican Party seemed an intolerant lot. I couldn’t imagine siding with them, so I lined up on the pro-choice side.

I arrived there for a simple reason: Because I’m a man. Many will say that this is not a very good reason, but it is my reason. Lacking the ability to get pregnant, and thus spared what has been for women friends of mine the anguishing decision of whether to stay pregnant, I’ve remained on the sidelines and deferred to the other half of the population.

Over time, I made refinements—going along with waiting periods and parental notification laws at the state level, and coming out against the barbaric practice known as partial birth abortion.

As I’ve only realized lately, to be a man, and to declare yourself pro-choice, is to proclaim your neutrality. And, as I’ve only recently been willing to admit, even to myself, that’s another name for “wimping out.”

At least that’s how my wife sees it. She’s pro-life, and so she’s been tearing into me every time a new video is released. She’s not buying my argument that, as a man, I have to defer to women and trust them to make their own choices about what to do with their bodies. To her, that’s ridiculous—and cowardly.

“You can’t stand on the sidelines, especially now that you’ve seen these videos,” she told me recently. “That’s bullshit! These are babies that are being killed. Millions of them. And you need to use your voice to protect them. That’s what a man does. He protects children—his own children, and other children. That’s what it means to be a man.”
The idea that men have to defer to women and permit them to do whatever they want so long as their bodies are involved is both ridiculous and cowardly. There is no "my body" exception to the law; the law that can ban shooting up heroin or drinking unpasteurized milk certainly has the ability to ban the murder, mutilation, and parting-out of prenatal infants.

The USA is considerably worse than National Socialist Germany in this regard. Abortion in America is the equivalent of 9 Holocausts; only Stalin and Mao have been more statistically monstrous. And whether a nation sacrifices its children to Moloch or Mammon, it is not one that will long survive, nor does it deserve to do so.

UPDATE: A summary of the sixth video from The Center for Medical Progress:
The pro-life advocates behind the five shocking videos exposing Planned Parenthood selling the body parts of aborted babies for research have released a 6th video today that shows how the abortion business sells body parts of aborted babies without patient consent.

The video features Holly O’Donnell, a licensed phlebotomist who unsuspectingly took a job as a “procurement technician” at the fetal tissue company and biotech start-up StemExpress in late 2012. That’s the company that acts as a middleman and purchases the body parts of aborted babies from Planned Parenthood to sell to research universities and other places.

The new video includes O’Donnell’s eyewitness narrative of the daily practice of fetal body parts harvesting in Planned Parenthood abortion clinics, describing tissue procurement workers’ coordination with abortion providers, the pressure placed on patients, and disregard for patient consent.
It is time - it is long past time - to shut down Planned Parenthood. Permanently.

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Anonymous Steve August 13, 2015 6:30 AM  

The idea that men have to defer to women and permit them to do whatever they want so long as their bodies are involved is both ridiculous and cowardly.

Yes, I've never been impressed with that argument. Especially given the faux-humble, smug tone it's usually delivered with, as if to say:

I'm a good boy! Give me a biscuit!

I've always been pro-life intellectually, but the full horror of abortion didn't become clear to me till I became a father.

The joy and wonder of seeing the little baby on the prenatal scans, the scary bits leading up to the delivery date when your wife worries she might be losing the baby, the tears and the blood, and finally the moment when they hand you a tiny little person, brand new to the world, completely helpless and depending on you for everything...

And as a father you think how could anybody ever harm a baby? How can they live with themselves?

Abortionists are worse than paedophiles and rapists, because those criminals at least let their victims live. Abortion is murder.

Anonymous basementhomebrewer August 13, 2015 6:33 AM  

The Center for Medical Progress has employed a brilliant strategy. Rather than obtaining footage for 1 or 2 videos and releasing it they obtained what is rumored to be 9-10 videos worth of footage. By releasing them at a pace of one a week or so they keep the story in the media. They also have put the lie to PPs defenses from the previous week requiring them to reformulate their spin. PP and the democrats keep hoping to go silent with the help of the network news organizations ignoring the story. By releasing the videos at a metered pace it is making that strategy nearly impossible

Blogger The Observer August 13, 2015 6:35 AM  

The bullshit arguments I've seen defending PP are the most hilarious:

"The videos were edited!" - Well, the unedited footage is released, too.

"How dare you deny research using these bits that could save lives!" - A simple answer is to ask just what research that's being conducted which *requires* these baby bits. Not stem cell research, because adult stem cells are functionally identical. Not vaccines, because those are manufactured with baby bits because it's cheaper than egg whites. One research effort that couldn't otherwise continue without baby bits - it can't be named.

Blogger D. Lane (#0067) August 13, 2015 6:38 AM  

@3 The Observer:

I think Stiles from 1 day ago is the thread winner in that regard:

what astounds me is that so many people never consider that these videos are fake. any idiot with a cell phone cam and video editing software can make a legitimate looking video. you honestly think an organization that has been under the microscope for the last 3 or 4 years is going to do something illegal. but hey, its on the internet, so it must be true, right? can anyone say "ACORN"? that crap was fake. none of you consider that its possible that an anti-abortion group put this together to recruit? WOW!

Blogger Mr.MantraMan August 13, 2015 6:41 AM  

I would say PP is evil but it is dwarfed by the propaganda machine which is Mordor evil in size. Crush that power center I think you find a good many conscientious women who would agree that the women's hamster wheel needs a good brake.

Anonymous Takin' a look August 13, 2015 6:42 AM  

Soyrrent gween?

Anonymous praetorian August 13, 2015 6:47 AM  

The idea that men have to defer to women and permit them to do whatever they want so long as their bodies are involved is both ridiculous and cowardly

Their bodies can go to hell, and probably will.

The children will live. God give us strength.

Anonymous praetorian August 13, 2015 6:51 AM  

Abortion is murder.

She eats, and wipes her mouth, and said, I have done no wickedness.

Blogger Joshua Dyal August 13, 2015 6:52 AM  

Now six. The latest isn't a visceral, but from a legal perspective, its the worst.

Of course from a moral perspective it can't trump what's already been revealed, but for the amoral this is going to be big news.

@1 Steve: sane here but fit me it was the miscarriage of our fifth that really brought it home. If that much grief and heartache could be caused by a miscarriage in the first trimester, then that was exactly what an abortionist is electing to do.

That's when I really made a visceral connection between what I knew intellectually and what I knew deep in my very soul.

Blogger RobertDWood August 13, 2015 6:56 AM  

This whole chapter of released videos has been reinforcing the foul nature of idolatry. The murder of children for profit is a logical outcome of worshiping ourselves and our convenience.
All the wrath that God stores up makes more sense when the face of evil, sin, is understood completely.

Anonymous Gary August 13, 2015 6:58 AM  

I have no problem arguing with people about abortion.

Hey lady, its a womb. You know where human babies come from. You aren't scraping out a hamster in there.

PERSONALIZE IT.

Take away the weasel words they love falling back on.

clump of cells. fetal tissue. products of conception.

Murder pure and simple.

If it was a rare thing I might have more allowance. Incest and rape are hard subjects to ponder. But if you look at the statistics, casual abortions are not rare. Many women are repeat offenders if you will. Women who have had four, five, six abortions!

Anonymous FriarBob August 13, 2015 7:01 AM  

@steve agreed that it's murder. Not sure if it's worse, but maybe that's because I've felt forcible rape should be a capital crime. (Other forms should still have severe penalties of course, just not execution.) And if abortion is in fact worse, the only worse punishment I can think of is to bring back crucifixion. Then again, dead is dead, so who cares about degrees of punishment at that point. Make them both capital crimes.

Anonymous FriarBob August 13, 2015 7:06 AM  

And blatantly false rape accusations should also be capital crimes, and unproven ones should at least carry SOME risk of receiving the punishment the accused would have received.

But when truly proven beyond doubt, put him six feet under.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan August 13, 2015 7:07 AM  

I'm not really all that involved with the abortion debate, but from the sidelines I think I am observing the nice white lady GOP politics being dissolved as speak, and that is fucking marvelous. Didn't some asswipe judge put a block on these videos, technically legal but the order was ignored? Two states have pulled funding, of course they will buckle but it is a start.

But I'm going to be honest in my appraisal till the forces opposed to this evil actually take over a PP location and while not hurting anyone there do not allow it to operate and actually put their lives on the line this is probably just another reactionary blip by people too comfortable to really care.

Blogger John August 13, 2015 7:12 AM  

I will say that much of the shock of this affair is the brutal realization of how much evil we have allowed into our society.

Growing up, evil was almost an abstract. Nazis, with death camps and lampshades of human skin, Herod and the massacre of the first born, Japan's killing of the missionaries and christian converts (at the beginning of her isolation). We had learned better, or so we were told. Evil existed, to be sure, but not on a large, organized scale; not any more.

And now there's this. Brutal. Disgusting. Organized. Heartless. What word is sufficient?

But our country has spent almost 50 years convincing almost half of the people in the country that a baby is not a baby; not until and unless the mother (and only she) declares it so, and removes it from the hospital. Peter Singer teaches young fools that post birth abortion ought to be an option (lest you be saddled with an imperfect child) at Princeton.

Another generation of males, I'll not call them men, has been taught that it is objectively WRONG to gain the attention of a woman by BEING a man (as the narrator in the article suggests, their default is: agree with the 'approved' voice of 'women'). They joyfully proclaim themselves feminists in the hopes of getting sack-time with the hairy, unwashed, feminists of their dreams.

The past 50 years have cemented the idea of abortion on demand as a basic right of every true woman (look at the vitriol leveled against pro-life women in office, for example); it is portrayed as hypocrisy on the part of the pro-life people, who are shown in political cartoons as being concerned only for the unborn baby, as they joyfully cut benefits for he (presumably poor) child.

It is madness. As was earlier pointed out, this is so similar to demon worship as to be without appreciable difference. What was the premise of child sacrifice, from the perspective of the Priests of Moloch? For the blood of your child, Molech will grant you beauty, good crops, riches, etc. What is the premise of the current Priests of Pro Choice? For the blood of your child (which isn't REALLY a child, after all), you will be freed of burdens which would prevent you from having riches, you will avoid the hideous aftermath (you'll have no stretch marks, no weight gain), you will have pleasure unending (as you won't need to modify your pursuit of mindless, uncomplicated sex in any way). So, this sacrifice will grant you beauty, wealth, and pleasure.

Evil exists. It is real. It is organized. There is no room for 'judge not;' not in the sense the naysayers proclaim, that we dare not, as Christians, judge actions. No. We MUST judge actions. We may not judge souls -- it is not for me to say that the women shown haggling over the price of baby parts in these videos will be condemned to Hell -- but it IS for me to say that their actions are objectively evil.

Evil. And thoroughly ingrained in the culture. Disgusting.

Anonymous Aeoli Pera August 13, 2015 7:16 AM  

There is no "my body" exception to the law; the law that can ban shooting up heroin or drinking unpasteurized milk certainly has the ability to ban the murder, mutilation, and parting-out of prenatal infants.

It's almost like they're crazy anti-vaxxers or something.

Blogger ray August 13, 2015 7:17 AM  

"The idea that men have to defer to women and permit them to do whatever they want so long as their bodies are involved is both ridiculous and cowardly."

It is. The P.P. affair underscores that the ruling social, moral, and legal arbiter in the United States is not God, it's not even the Government per se. It's the will of Woman, individually and collectively. Much of the evil in America over the past half-century was rationalized under Women's Rights, Empowerment, Liberation, and general protection... heavily sold and propagandized in mass media by the Seventies. The will of Woman trumps all other wills and needs, including those of children, born and unborn. Whatever is desired by any female automatically is good for the Universe.

The example cited above re Mr. Navarette is excellent, because it illustrates with honesty how difficult it is for modern American men to disobey -- or even to question -- the rights and demands of females, and the demands of the endless ancillary structures and institutions that now serve female rights and demands.

Over the past few decades in particular, many very terrible things have been done, and are being done, in American homes, mostly.... primarily to little boys, under the age of four or five. Even worse things than the P.P. video. The majority of these incidents are ongoing and repetitious, and are greatly exacerbated by the absence of traditional (i.e., empowered) fathers and men in the lives of children, to act as a shield on extreme female behavior in a certain subset of women. Since the takeover of feminism and banishment of fatherhood, the serious hurting of tykes and little boys has skyrocketed.

So our collective cowardice before Almighty Woman and her Instrumentalities has very immediate and horrible effects on unprotected children in household across the land. When the truth comes out about the horrors endured by the nation's son under our national Season of the Witch here, it will make the abortion issue seem tame. Already we're beginning to see the fallout in mass killings that are now a feature of American society.

Blogger ray August 13, 2015 7:33 AM  

John -- nice job there updating the ancient Molochian horrors (which had various flavors and iterations) with our modern, clinicalized rites. Also good point from Vox, calling this stuff out DOES tweak the conscience of some. Most will turn away from painful truth but always remember that here and there, you will reach somebody and perhaps greatly assist them. Some hearts are shut fast, but others can be reached.

Anonymous FisherOfMen August 13, 2015 7:34 AM  

Heh... you're clearly all wrong:
http://gawker.com/no-planned-parenthood-is-not-selling-aborted-fetal-bod-1717823538

SJWs always... what, again?

Anonymous Bz August 13, 2015 7:38 AM  

Peter Singer ... That fellow would probably tell us the baby parts should be sold and the proceeds given to poor people. Also that women should have abortions for sale as much as feasible for the same purpose. "It is our duty to give."

Anonymous PA August 13, 2015 7:44 AM  

With one hand, America produces blacks beyond society's carrying capacity through welfare to black single mothers. With its other hand it culls their artificially produced numbers by means of nigger-Auschwitz clinics.

Blogger RobertDWood August 13, 2015 7:50 AM  

This whole chapter of released videos has been reinforcing the foul nature of idolatry. The murder of children for profit is a logical outcome of worshiping ourselves and our convenience.
All the wrath that God stores up makes more sense when the face of evil, sin, is understood completely.

Blogger Midnight Avenue J August 13, 2015 7:53 AM  

@ 18, no, not selling them. They are merely collecting compensation for the costs of the procedure. That's the endless refrain, anyway.

@ John, on some board or other I read a post from a recently married woman who was about to go on vacation with hubby and some friends. Found out she was pregnant, and asked random people on the internet if she should have an abortion, because she didn't want to ruin her vacay by having morning sickness and not being able to drink (I'm certain that hangover vomiting would have been an acceptable form of morning sickness for this gem). Talk about sacrificing the blood of your infants for perpetual pleasure.

Blogger LP 999/Eliza August 13, 2015 8:00 AM  

Woe unto you evil magicians without peer, which reads contradictory but its not, woe unto you whom use the power of the pen and the letter of the law against the innocent, unborn, against the poor in spirit, the sick, the defenseless.

Pregnancy continues our species, its not a illness, its a celebration of life.

The little ones FEEL PAIN AND CRINGE upon abortion.

I repeat and stand by my words, post america is a judged nation, soaked in blood, another cog in the murder machine - selling baby parts is what the vampires do.

The idiotic, foolish, evil and vampiric run de show stateside.

Woe unto the bankers who wash the blood off the money made in these satanic rituals.

So boomers, you've killed generation x in abortion, ruined them with the drugs you've shipped in, whored out the women, molested the children, ruined/distorted the men with feminism, worhsiiping/promoting narcissism (see Meg Kelly and the rest of the feminists)is there any wonder why your plug along with mine might be pulled?

(As I have no idea what is up around the bend who knows if my plug shall be pulled next) but that is not the issue, the issue in this eugenic, doomed, post america is the exposing the terrorism of abortion upon humanity.

Anonymous Credo in Unum Deum August 13, 2015 8:01 AM  

I'm not "anti-choice", nor am I "pro-life".

I'm Anti-Abortion.

I pray that Almighty God isn't paying attention.

Blogger John August 13, 2015 8:03 AM  

@ Midnight Avenue J -- Some years back, a young lady who lived in the apartment complex which my wife managed became pregnant. My wife, pro life, and dealing with, at that time, a miscarriage, and the effective negation of any childbearing for us, was shocked to find that abortion was on the table.

She approached me, and I consented to offering to take the baby off the girls hands (her stated reason for aborting was lack of father in the house, and therefore lack of income). This went back and forth for a couple of weeks, until she enlightened my wife.

You see, the abortion was not based on money. No. They were already in Section 8 housing, and receiving benefits -- this would have just been a little more money in the pot per month. Medicaid would have covered the medical bills. No, it wasn't about money. It was timing. She'd be about 6-7 months along at the time of her prom. And she didn't want to look fat in her prom dress.

So there's your death sentence: one child, killed in the womb, lest mother be seen as overweight at her high school prom.

What can you say when someone offers that as a reason? We're not even on the same plane of existence, at that point…

Blogger LP 999/Eliza August 13, 2015 8:04 AM  

God's die or is it God's dice are loaded, He wins everytime, in the face of doom and evil, He wins. This matter like so many others are open scandal in heaven.

Blogger JAY WILL August 13, 2015 8:04 AM  

Sometimes abstract reasoning can lead you away from the truth. You can end up rationalizing all sorts of things that, if you were present when they were happening, would feel instinctively wrong.

I think this is how someone like Peter Singer, sitting behind a computer screen, in some library with 20 books around him, with all that collective "wisdom" can move down a path where a pig is more morally valuable than a human foetus.

The law would change if people saw abortions up close at different stages, the time limit would reduce at worse and also there would be more stringent checks on the reason for a woman wanting it. They can't admit that a huge proportion of abortions are abortions of convenience. Or that women who've had children themselves are most likely to be against it, or at least have more doubts.

Anonymous zen0 August 13, 2015 8:06 AM  

These pro-life leaders are standing with me today to decry the moral depravity that we have seen now from Planned Parenthood. It doesn't matter whether you think you're pro-choice or pro-life, every woman and every man has to look at these videos and think, "What has gone wrong in our nation?"

The hypocrisy of telling women over and over again that their unborn children are not life and yet talking calmly about how to preserve the organs of that life to save another life. The cruelty of denying women over and over again ultrasounds so that they can see the life they carry within them, and yet using that same technology to make sure organs are preserved so that they can be presumably sold to save others.

This is a terrible moment, and it is made more terrible by the absolute deafening silence of the Democrat Party. Democrats have always fought for a policy that says it is not a life until it leaves the hospital. Hillary Clinton has fought to preserve that policy. And we now have a moment in this nation to take some real action here. We can decide, finally, to defund Planned Parenthood, and the Senate can decide as well to pass the Pain Capable Unborn Child Protection Act.



Carly Fiorina Tuesday, July 21, 2015.

Blogger John August 13, 2015 8:12 AM  

One more note on this subject.

The great and abiding call on the left is 'safe, legal, rare'; that no one WANTS abortion. That better education and contraception would remove this scourge.

The evidence does not support this statement.

A cousin of mine (since deceased) worked as a Social Worker in California. She was Ultimate Left, with the exception of being anti-abortion.

Why?

Because she'd been in the business for decades. And, since Roe v. Wade and Doe v. Dalton had been adapted as official government positions, she had seen the effects thereof. Young women 'in the system', white, black, other, were used to doing what they pleased, when they pleased. Period. The idea of actually using prophylactics, or the Pill, was foreign to them. It was interfering with spontaneous hook ups, and constant sex.

So, they would show up at the welfare offices. And they would get the voucher. And be off to PP for the fix. She tried to convince them that there were other options, but she found that THEY DID NOT WANT THOSE OPTIONS. The 'other options' were inconvenient, and interfered with their lifestyle. So they had sex, as they pleased, when they pleased, and aborted the results.

And they cared not a whit.

Blogger Midnight Avenue J August 13, 2015 8:12 AM  

Pain Capable Unborn Child Protection Act <---- yes. The Unborn can sense pain, sense forceps coming at them, and jump and move away.

Fiorina speaks so much succinct truth, here. I don't know much about her otherwise, I'm afraid politics is a drool-inducing topic most of the time, so much theatre and little substance.

Blogger dc.sunsets August 13, 2015 8:13 AM  

No society rises above the morals of its members. The whole is not more than the sum of the parts.

This highlights Vox's position on "Israel for Israelis, France for the French, etc." What is needed is a patchwork quilt of city-states or some such geographic organization of places where each society exhibits high levels of homogeneity. If people want to live like savages, let them live exclusively with their own kind.

Of course, the places honoring pro-civilizing culture would have to be extremely well defended as they would rise like Mt. Olympus amidst a sea of barbarism.

Anonymous Ryan ATL August 13, 2015 8:15 AM  

Because abortion was invented in 1973? It's been around for how long? And it's not going anywhere either.

Anonymous Steve August 13, 2015 8:19 AM  

How long was slavery around for, Ryan?

Blogger Midnight Avenue J August 13, 2015 8:22 AM  

John, I know what you mean. I had a job in a poor urban area once. Met quite a few teens, like 13, 14, who had already had abortions. Likely victims of abuse/neglect who didn't know better, and were either impregnated by rapists (statutory or ephebephile neighborhood thugs) or boyfriends, kids playing at sex and barely understanding the consequences. It sets a pattern: do what you want, someone else will suck the problem out of you so you can go about your merry way.

But of course, equality-justice must be the law of the land. And women's desires to have it all trump everything. My sister just told me yesterday that socialism meant "you have two cows. You give one to your neighbor." I asked why give it to him? She said because he needs it, and it's not fair. This facile logic comes from an "educated" 32 yo woman who went to college for degrees in Art History and Nursing. She is, of course, pro-abortion and thinks this PP stuff is just kerfuffle and nonsense, they are just collecting compensation and saving lives.

Blogger dc.sunsets August 13, 2015 8:27 AM  

What is needed is a turn away from "save thy neighbor, by force (the state) if necessary." The paradox that Progressivism led directly to abortion-on-demand-as-hedonism-enabler is yet another poster child for the inevitable horror of seeking good ends via coercion, violence and threat.

Absent reverence for the life of one's child, grandchild, niece, nephew, etc., no amount of legal change will alter either social and personal trajectory.

WRT this, I taught my sons that just because a girl was willing did not mean slouching with the riffraff was smart. I said I'd go to great lengths (including paying serious money) to avoid seeing a grandchild aborted, and that if they knocked up a girl then we'd all be stuck with her forever...so be extremely choosy about those with whom you might dally. Don't dabble with idiots, harpies or the insane.

It worked. Of course, my kids are pretty smart so that helped.

Blogger dc.sunsets August 13, 2015 8:32 AM  

The law would change if people saw abortions up close at different stages

This is true for the same reason lots more people would be vegetarians if they watched videos of their cellophane-wrapped meat being produced, start to finish.

I don't think it's the same thing as a moral epiphany.

Blogger LP 999/Eliza August 13, 2015 8:33 AM  

Meanwhile, the plan b tablet is not a topic of discussion yet, among the media (I mean).

Anonymous Steve August 13, 2015 8:37 AM  

Joshua Dyal - my wife and I have been lucky so far, but my sisters have suffered several miscarriages. It's heartbreaking.

Fatherhood changes everything about a man. When your baby boy smiles at you for the first time, it leaves an imprint on your soul.

I remember in the film "The Crow", where Brandon Lee says:

Mother is the name for God on the lips and hearts of all children.

If there is anything sacred in this life, it is our duty to the little ones. If there is a God, I can't think of a more debased crime against His creation than to destroy helpless lives.

Friarbob - I believe punishment should fit the crime. So no, we can't go around crucifying people or executing them for sexual offences. Much as we might be tempted to.

Blogger VD August 13, 2015 8:38 AM  

This is true for the same reason lots more people would be vegetarians if they watched videos of their cellophane-wrapped meat being produced, start to finish.

No they wouldn't. Hunters all butcher meat themselves.

Blogger Jourdan August 13, 2015 8:45 AM  

I remember quite clearly becoming anti-abortion in law school when I had to read a very dry, very clinical description of the procedure in question in the case Stenberg v Carhart (530 U.S. 914 2000). The Court apologized for having to set forth the details in precise terms, but argued that the case could not be properly understood without such a description. My the middle of the opinion, I had changed my mind completely on the issue.

Anonymous clk August 13, 2015 8:47 AM  

As a form of birth control abortion in an abomination. .. that doesnt mean there shouldnt be a medical procedure call abortion that when needed is available.

I think if we progress from a beleif that life begins at conception it informs a logic that allows for birth control to prevent conception and a signifant increase in threshold for an abortion ( ie health, maybe birth defects .. but never just for contraception)

Abortion will not be eliminated by any law... we are in the time of 4th generation abortion where anyone of many drugs can be used for abortion... the real solution to undertand the causes of abortion and then find ways of reducing occurance.. and some of those genies cannot be returned to the bottle without significant reduction in human liberty...

Blogger Cail Corishev August 13, 2015 8:49 AM  

from the sidelines I think I am observing the nice white lady GOP politics being dissolved as speak

That's a good point. Part of the GOP's continuous bait-and-switch on abortion is that it has men who win as pro-life candidates, but they all have pro-abortion wives. What's the chance that, being a good conservative feminist married to a strong independent woman, the Republican man is really going to restrict abortion? Maybe he'll go after some particularly bad procedures -- because his wife wants abortion to be safe -- and he might support things like parental notification -- because his wife would want to know her daughter was getting one so she could be at her side through it -- but he's not going to try to end abortion when he has to come home to a supporter.

Blogger dc.sunsets August 13, 2015 8:50 AM  

No they wouldn't. Hunters all butcher meat themselves.

Yes, they would. I refer here to the now-vast population of ninnies who would probably donate a kidney (preferably yours) to keep their pet Pomeranian well-fed.

When this period of illusory plenitude passes, many men and women will step up and do the difficult or messy things which they previously paid others to perform. But many will sit and starve.

Blogger Jourdan August 13, 2015 8:56 AM  

Greetings from Capitol Hill, btw. Before leaving for August Recess, the Senate Majority Leader scheduled a vote on a measure to de-fund Planned Parenthood. It failed, of course. The matter was quickly forgotten after this feeble gesture.

Vote Republican!

Anonymous FriarBob August 13, 2015 9:05 AM  

@steve crucifying, no. I said I couldn't think of anything more severe, and I meant it. That doesn't make it a good idea.

But execution wouldn't be unfit at all for truly forcible rape (knife to throat, drugging her, etc) ...or for clearly-made-up-out-of-nowhere false accusations either.

Anonymous Athor Pel August 13, 2015 9:09 AM  

"16. ray August 13, 2015 7:17 AM
... The P.P. affair underscores that the ruling social, moral, and legal arbiter in the United States is not God, it's not even the Government per se. It's the will of Woman, individually and collectively. Much of the evil in America over the past half-century was rationalized under Women's Rights, Empowerment, Liberation, and general protection... heavily sold and propagandized in mass media by the Seventies.
..."



If anyone is still wondering what the whore of Babylon symbolizes wonder no longer.

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America is dying. We all know that. It is a common observation here. Also common is the conclusion that we deserve our onrushing, ugly fate.

The best hope of sane survivors will be to gather and defend distinct polities in the wreckage.

Blogger bob k. mando August 13, 2015 9:15 AM  

14. Mr.MantraMan August 13, 2015 7:07 AM
But I'm going to be honest in my appraisal till the forces opposed to this evil actually take over a PP location and while not hurting anyone there do not allow it to operate and actually put their lives on the line this is probably just another reactionary blip by people too comfortable to really care.




and you've taken over how many Planned Parenthood clinics?


this quote is amusing from a Game perspective:
Ruben Navarette
As I’ve only realized lately, to be a man, and to declare yourself pro-choice, is to proclaim your neutrality. And, as I’ve only recently been willing to admit, even to myself, that’s another name for “wimping out.”

At least that’s how my wife sees it. She’s pro-life, and so she’s been tearing into me every time a new video is released. She’s not buying my argument that, as a man, I have to defer to women and trust them to make their own choices about what to do with their bodies. To her, that’s ridiculous—and cowardly.



so ... when the women in his life ( college ) were pro-abortion, Reuben was pro-abortion. ( we'll ignore for the moment the primary reason that college age men favor abortions ... avoidance of being shackled to providing for their children )

as he left that hot house of Feminine Imperative he began to think for himself a bit.

now that he's married to a pro-life woman ... he's getting hectored into a pro-life position?

don't get me wrong. i agree that abortion is the killing of a human life.

i agree that Center for Medical Progress is doing a righteous work.

but this man ... this man is not a man at all.

he's going to change his position, just so he can have domestic peace.

Blogger VFM bot #188 August 13, 2015 9:23 AM  

I wonder if Hillary Clinton had any abortions when she was young. She's just the type to have done so. If so, when she becomes President we'd have a two-fer: The first woman President, and the first President to have had an abortion. SJW's would celebrate.

Blogger SammyBoy August 13, 2015 9:27 AM  

I HAVE seen the process, beginning to end. I have participated in and helped the process along. Vegetarian? Hah! Beef is never the wrong answer to the question, "What shall we have for dinner?"

Anonymous MrGreenMan August 13, 2015 9:36 AM  

My grandmother used to strangle the evening's dinner chicken with her hands - easier than killing it with an ax. She was a painter. Everybody was thankful for dinner. People are familiar with how food comes to the table. Those chickens had already lived a life to maturity. There is no comparison between killing an animal that has been raised up and provided for to be food and vacuum suctioning the brains of the next generation in the womb.

Of course it's a man's job to stop this and to oppose abortion. Dalrock mentioned Susan Smith. We have this stupid assumption women will make the right choice in caring for children. Why would they have to be taught to love their children and husbands if this came naturally? The children's father must be their defender and protector, even against evil if it appears in his own household. The left is so keen to put on the 18 (or is it 26 now?) year chain of child support on the man; well, she only has to serve those 9 months. The government can take more time out of a man's life for example by sending him off to Vietnam to shoot commies.

Blogger Rabbi B August 13, 2015 9:41 AM  

"I wonder if Hillary Clinton had any abortions when she was young. She's just the type to have done so."

Don't know, but there is this.

Anonymous Athor Pel August 13, 2015 9:49 AM  

"41. clk August 13, 2015 8:47 AM
...
the real solution to undertand the causes of abortion and then find ways of reducing occurance.. and some of those genies cannot be returned to the bottle without significant reduction in human liberty..."



To quote it again, "...significant reduction in human liberty...". You know what that sounds like? It sounds much like one of those compound word progressive concepts that in reality bear no resemblance to what they purport to be, much like "social justice".

It's a magic word, liberty. Many like to conjure with it but I don't think most people even understand the real operatioinal meaning of the word. All those people writing and speaking about liberty from the French revolution till now, slaves with slave minds and slave appetites.

You want liberty? You police yourself. You don't go around demanding to be allowed liberty. If you sin against another person then you pay the price and you repent and you never do it again. And if you want to live beyond this lifetime you accept Jesus as your redeemer because he paid the price for your sin and you make Him your master.

Otherwise you make yourself a slave to your sin, forever.

Many things in life are not strictly binary but this one is.

Anonymous WillBest August 13, 2015 9:50 AM  

Back in 2008 when people were attacking Obama's character there was minor kerfluffle over the fact that he voted against a bill that would require "doctors" to render medical aid to babies that accidentally survived an abortion.

I didn't really think about it at the time, but it didn't make a lot of sense that sort of thing could happen very often and it seemed monstrous to not treat in that situation, even if it were likely futile. These videos come around and it dawned on me that

1) If your goal were to preserve as much "tissue" as possible, you would dramatically increase the chances of the baby surviving abortion.

2) Allowing "doctors" to deny aid to babies born this way is specifically designed to provide legal cover to those "doctors" looking to harvest parts from unwanted babies.

No they wouldn't. Hunters all butcher meat themselves.

There is a rather large disassociation between what we eat and where the food we eat comes from. The shock of seeing how large factory meat is grown, harvested and processed is very disturbing relative to an individual butchering. I suspect that part of the appeal of organic meat is the belief that the animal is raised more than it is grown.

Blogger Rabbi B August 13, 2015 9:52 AM  

"And whether a nation sacrifices its children to Moloch or Mammon, it is not one that will long survive, nor does it deserve to do so."

There can be no doubt. Nations will be judged on how they have treated the most innocent and defenseless among them. Ours will certainly be no exception. I shudder to think what the Author of life and Judge of all the world has in store for a nation who has formally sanctioned the murder of innocents to the tune of 50,000,000 and counting.

Anonymous Viidad August 13, 2015 9:56 AM  

I must say, though - slaughtering your own animals that have had a decent life on your homestead is a different thing than seeing inside the monstrosity that is factory farming. Filthy chickens in the dark, food loaded with antibiotics and even arsenic, butchered and plunged into chilling tanks of stinking manure-water, sprayed with chemical disinfectants then wrapped in cellophane?

Different than granny with her hatchet. I have raised my own meat because that system is disgusting.

Anonymous Viidad August 13, 2015 9:57 AM  

The thing that gets me, though, is that many of the Vegan types who "hate animal cruelty" are also staunchly pro-choice.

People are literally unable to think.

Anonymous Ryan ATL August 13, 2015 10:01 AM  

To answer Steve #34 - you can get rid of slavery, we did. Good luck getting rid of abortion. I'll talk to you in 25-50 years when it's still alive and kicking.

Anonymous Steve August 13, 2015 10:04 AM  

Ryan - if we could abolish the institution of slavery, we can abolish the institution of medicalised infanticide.

Anonymous PA August 13, 2015 10:13 AM  

Do those who call for the criminalization of abortion in America accept 50 million additional underclass colored in their country?

Anonymous Ryan ATL August 13, 2015 10:18 AM  

Good luck with that Steve-o.

OpenID countenance August 13, 2015 10:18 AM  

People see the slaughterhouse with their own eyes then suddenly decide they don't much like the sausage anymore.

Blogger Josh August 13, 2015 10:19 AM  

Do those who call for the criminalization of abortion in America accept 50 million additional underclass colored in their country?

Yes.

Anonymous Steve August 13, 2015 10:20 AM  

Ryan, I'm not Steveo, he and Big Gay Steve and Stephen J are different members of the Legion of Stevil.

Anonymous Porky August 13, 2015 10:24 AM  

FYI, re: recent failed legislation to defund PP:

Two Democrats, Senator Joe Manchin of West Virginia and Joe Donnelly of Indiana, broke ranks and supported the defunding effort

The legislation's main sponsor was freshman Republican Senator Joni Ernst of Iowa.

Just one Senate Republican, Mark Kirk of Illinois, who faces a tough re-election race next year, voted against advancing the bill.

Anonymous WillBest August 13, 2015 10:25 AM  

Do those who call for the criminalization of abortion in America accept 50 million additional underclass colored in their country?

Under the theory that none of the murdered babies would have impacted the procreation decisions of any of the mothers had they lived?

Anonymous basementhomebrewer August 13, 2015 10:26 AM  

@61 "Do those who call for the criminalization of abortion in America accept 50 million additional underclass colored in their country?"

I was waiting for this comment. So by your logic I propose and alternative to killing them in the womb. Instead, let us hold trials when they reach the age of let's say 8 years old. By that time it should be pretty evident what path they will go down in life. If they will clearly end up being a ward of state at that time, would you support plunging a pair of scissors into their skull? This system would in fact be better because we would no longer risk killing someone who could have become a productive member of society and it still gets rid of those pesky burdens. The only thing that is different is the timing.

Would you support this system? If not, then why not?

Anonymous BGS August 13, 2015 10:28 AM  

The great and abiding call on the left is 'safe, legal, rare'; that no one WANTS abortion.

Even after these videos I would still say the worst thing PP does is give the extremely low dose birth control to teens. At the dosage they are given the BC can fail if it is not taken at the same time each day, basically guaranteeing that they get more abortion customers.

Didn't some asswipe judge put a block on these videos, technically legal but the order was ignored?

A CA judge banned the specific showing of stem express having whole intact fetuses which is prima facie evidence of live births.

I've felt forcible rape should be a capital crime. What about Cosby roofie rape? He has 30+ women come forward and has sued women for violating confidentiality settlement agreements. Cosby's victims could march as their own group in a parade.

not selling them. They are merely collecting compensation for the costs of the procedure. That's the endless refrain, anyway.

Its amazing leftists will talk about how giving money to a catholic school for a furnace is the same as giving it to splash holy water on students, but they want to split hairs over torn up baby parts.

If people want to live like savages, let them live exclusively with their own kind.

There would have to be a cut off of taxpayer ,from other area, paid benefits to those areas.

This is true for the same reason lots more people would be vegetarians if they watched videos of their cellophane-wrapped meat being produced, start to finish.

Did your daddy never take you fishing, where you ate what you caught later?

Blogger Josh August 13, 2015 10:28 AM  

Under the theory that none of the murdered babies would have impacted the procreation decisions of any of the mothers had they lived?

It's the same binary thinking that liberals use to justify raising taxes to increase revenue.

Blogger hank.jim August 13, 2015 10:31 AM  

" sell to research universities and other places"

We need to get research universities and other places to pledge to not use aborted baby parts. Will this be difficult?

Blogger collisioncat67 August 13, 2015 10:38 AM  

Please lets not make this another; "if you care about human life then you can't care about animal exploitation" argument.

OpenID corvinus333 August 13, 2015 10:38 AM  

Abortion in America is the equivalent of 9 Holocausts; only Stalin and Mao have been more statistically monstrous.

Abortion in the Soviet Union, IIRC, took twice as much unborn lives each year as there were births. Thank God they've been phasing out the practice since 1990.

Blogger JAY WILL August 13, 2015 10:39 AM  

@44 dc sunsets

"When this period of illusory plenitude passes, many men and women will step up and do the difficult or messy things which they previously paid others to perform. But many will sit and starve."

I think starvation has a habit of trumping people's squeamishness about killing animals. Most people have never come near to it.

Anonymous PA August 13, 2015 10:40 AM  

There is nothing binary about accepting 50MM additional underclass coloreds in one's country. That's called being a cuckservative.

The impact of access to abortion on the reproductive decisions on impulsive, unintelligent populations is not understood. But I have no reason to believe it would have been any more sexually continent.

One can oppose abortion AND oppose adding 50MM underclass colored in his country.

Anonymous Porky August 13, 2015 10:43 AM  

but this man ... this man is not a man at all.

he's going to change his position, just so he can have domestic peace.


The poor sap has been stewing in progressive sludge his whole life. Give him a chance.

Blogger natschuster August 13, 2015 10:45 AM  

I don't get it. If a fetus is part of a woman's body.Then it is her property. Selling it without her permission is theft. Why isn't Planned Parenthood being charged with theft. And since this is organized, why isn't it a RICO thing? And why aren't the feminist complaining that the sale of fetuses is a violation of a woman's property rights?

Anonymous Quaestio Omnia August 13, 2015 10:46 AM  

One thing that stands out is Holly O’Donnell is incredibly brave. I'd be surprised if she isn't physically assaulted, or if an actual attempt made on her life, within the year. She's rated out PP and they have some pretty militant/bat-shit-crazy supporters.

Question for the libertarians. Many influential libertarians are pro-choice, despite being against murder. Their typical rational seems to be that even if the unborn baby is fully, 100%, human and worthy of the full protection of the law, the mother should have no legal obligation to another person without a contract. Therefore, she has the right to expel the person. Similar to you finding a squatter living in your shed on a bitterly cold winter day. Morally, you should probably let them stay for a bit, but many libertarians would argue that you should be under no legal obligation, and if you kick them out and they die, that is not your responsibility.

Thoughts?

Blogger Jourdan August 13, 2015 10:48 AM  

I think PA has a very strong point. As with everything in America, this is really just another proxy for the race problem.

We need a divorce here. Hopefully, a "velvet" one. As the popularity of Ta-Whosis Blackety Black's new book shows, this issue never, ever changes, nor will it ever.

A North American homeland for the European-American people. That is the only reasonable solution.

Anonymous BGS August 13, 2015 10:48 AM  

Steve- if we could abolish the institution of slavery, we can abolish the institution of medicalised infanticide.

There are a number of medications that can cause a miscarriage, such things the Romans knew. Even today when women get an abortion the doctors note they give to their workplace says they had a miscarriage. Just like outlawing crack & murder didn't abolish it, it will still go one.

accept 50 million additional underclass colored in their country? Josh- Yes.

Is your answer the same if a proportional number of blacks would be sent to Israel? We know Israel chemically sterilized black women claiming to be black jews without their consent/understanding.

Blogger Josh August 13, 2015 10:49 AM  

There is nothing binary about accepting 50MM additional underclass coloreds in one's country. That's called being a cuckservative.

EVERYTHING IS A CUCKSERVATIVE!

Your initial premise is flawed, binary, and static.

Blogger maniacprovost August 13, 2015 10:50 AM  

I am perplexed that someone could be so ignorant of history as to say that abortion can't be eradicated.

Blogger Josh August 13, 2015 10:51 AM  

Is your answer the same if a proportional number of blacks would be sent to Israel? We know Israel chemically sterilized black women claiming to be black jews without their consent/understanding.

You're literally retarded.

Why do you think I care about sending black people to Israel?

Blogger collisioncat67 August 13, 2015 10:51 AM  

@74
There is a difference between killing an animal for sustenance and subjecting that animal to prolonged misery and wanton cruelty.

To the rest:... sorry for being OT. Will not belabor the point any further.

Blogger Josh August 13, 2015 10:52 AM  

I think PA has a very strong point.

No, he doesn't.

Anonymous Northern Observer August 13, 2015 10:53 AM  

I don't get it. If a fetus is part of a woman's body.Then it is her property. Selling it without her permission is theft. Why isn't Planned Parenthood being charged with theft. And since this is organized, why isn't it a RICO thing? And why aren't the feminist complaining that the sale of fetuses is a violation of a woman's property rights?

I don't know if property rights are a big idea for feminists. Plus, they definitely look at the aborted fetus more as trash not so much as property.

Blogger Guitar Man August 13, 2015 10:59 AM  

Nazis up in here. Good riddance.

Anonymous Ryan ATL August 13, 2015 10:59 AM  

maniacprovost - please explain how abortion has been or will be eradicated.

Blogger Josh August 13, 2015 11:01 AM  

Thoughts?

Unless they also think that a woman should be able to kick out an infant, they're just posturing.

Anonymous PA August 13, 2015 11:02 AM  

"Cuckservative" essentially means accepting one's genocide, in whole or in part, in the name of another, seemingly conflicting moral principle.

By that criterion, not "EVERYTHING" is cuckservative. But Josh's statements here indeed are.

Blogger Allan Davis August 13, 2015 11:02 AM  

I listened to Dr. Walter Block discussing his theory of "Evictionism" last month--an "extreme libertarian" view of the abortion debate.

Since libertarians are all about "Property," and the woman's body is her own property, she does have the right to "evict an unwelcome guest from her property."

On the other hand, the baby has rights also, and she doesn't have the right to kill it; so she can "evict" it at the earliest possible moment that it can survive the eviction.

His solution? Advances in medical technology. At some point in the near future, she will be able to "evict" that "unwanted mass of cells" into another womb, living or otherwise, without killing it.

Ryan, Steve...that's how you get rid of abortion in 25-50 years.

-=ad=-

Blogger Jourdan August 13, 2015 11:02 AM  

He does, Josh, because all Americans know that the abortion argument is not simply about abortion, it is also about race. If this was a 100% white country, the argument would be straight-forward. As with everyhing in America, race is a factor in the argument, if largely unspoken. As with gun control, public schools, etc.

Anonymous WillBest August 13, 2015 11:04 AM  

Just one Senate Republican, Mark Kirk of Illinois, who faces a tough re-election race next year, voted against advancing the bill.

Democrats have been working overtime to groom Tammy Duckworth for the national stage. It doesn't excuse Kirk's actions. The moderates and left leaning democrats in the suburbs aren't going to hold it against him and there is a lot of dissatisfaction with Duckworth in her own district (owing to the fact that she is incompetent and most certainly corrupt). The IL Senate seat is going to boil down to 1 thing and 1 thing only. Whether or not the DNC can whip their negroes into voting for an 80 year white lesbian.

Blogger Josh August 13, 2015 11:05 AM  

"Cuckservative" essentially means accepting one's genocide, in whole or in part, in the name of another, seemingly conflicting moral principle.

There are more non hispanic white americans today than there have ever been in history.

Blogger Josh August 13, 2015 11:06 AM  

If this was a 100% white country, the argument would be straight-forward.

How so?

Anonymous Steve August 13, 2015 11:06 AM  

BGS - Just like outlawing crack & murder didn't abolish it, it will still go one.

Number of abortions per annum pre-legalisation: hard to say, but it was unsafe, illegal and most importantly, rare.

Number of abortions since 1970: tens of millions.

Outlawing murder doesn't abolish murder, but there'd be a lot more murders if people knew they wouldn't face any consequences for stabbing another human being in the eyeball.

Anonymous The Observer August 13, 2015 11:09 AM  

"To answer Steve #34 - you can get rid of slavery, we did. Good luck getting rid of abortion. I'll talk to you in 25-50 years when it's still alive and kicking.

Good luck with that Steve-o."


For those who're observing: here's a very simple example of the typical leftist attempt to frame "progress" as inevitable, unassailable and unstoppable, which comes from the historically illiterate view of history as a singular linear path to ultimate utopia (which interestingly enough, in and of itself is a corruption of the Christian belief of Jesus' ultimate triumphant return). It's from this childish, ahistorical belief that we get phrases like "the right side of history", "this is (year), come on" and "wow, just wow".

In short, "you can't attack this, don't even try."

I'd rather believe in leprechauns, for the simple reason that at least there is no evidence that leprechauns don't exist, while the fall of multiple Empires and the rollback of social conventions we would recognise as "rights" puts paid to the notion that Progress is unstoppable. The Romans ate siphilium out of existence and infanticide via exposure was common, and one of the markers archaeologists use to identify brothels of the period ate mass occurrences of infant remains.

Remember, even if absolutely nothing is done about abortion, the simple spectre of Azathoth ensures it's a self-solving problem. Anything that adversely impacts fertility will be selected against and go out the window. There's no better way to ruin your fertility than by willingly devouring your own children and culling your defective genetic line.

Remember, in the Russian fox experiment, it only took 10 generations of foxes for them to be completely physiologically and psychologically different from the wild stock they came from. Two generations of mass selection of humans via abortion - in some cases, just one, since the late boomers did have some millenials - and the millenials are already beginning to skew anti-abortion.

If he think it can last...well, he's an evolution-denier.

Anonymous RedJack #22 August 13, 2015 11:10 AM  

Just last night, a friend of my bride's posted something about all the "good" things PP does. My bride then posted pictures from the released videos of the dismembered bodies, and the discussion of the "parts list line items" to this person's Facebook account.

Might have lost a friend, but she has realized that it is better to be nice than good. The person in question called us up extremely offended, and my bride said "They practice infanticide and human experimentation. I don't care if they do a few mammograms on the side." The other woman was crying by the end of the phone call.

This is one of the many reasons I do love my bride. When Mamma Bear gets angry, she will fight all comers with a level of savagery that is pretty amusing to behold. I have told a cop neighbor of mine if anyone breaks into our house, she will just shoot them. She knows she can't beat them physically, but her .40 S&W Berretta is a great equalizer.

Blogger Josh August 13, 2015 11:11 AM  

By that criterion, not "EVERYTHING" is cuckservative. But Josh's statements here indeed are.

It's amazing how quickly it took for this term to jump the shark.

Blogger Josh August 13, 2015 11:11 AM  

This is one of the many reasons I do love my bride. When Mamma Bear gets angry, she will fight all comers with a level of savagery that is pretty amusing to behold. I have told a cop neighbor of mine if anyone breaks into our house, she will just shoot them. She knows she can't beat them physically, but her .40 S&W Berretta is a great equalizer.

Amen brother.

Blogger Guitar Man August 13, 2015 11:12 AM  

So, to keep track, the liberal nazis in here are BGS, Jourdan, and PA. Am I missing anyone else?

Anonymous PA August 13, 2015 11:12 AM  

"There are more non hispanic white americans today than there have ever been in history."

Irelevant to the discussion or to the charges of cuckservatism.

Blogger Josh August 13, 2015 11:12 AM  

Irelevant to the discussion or to the charges of cuckservatism.

But not relevant to your genocide monomania.

Anonymous PA August 13, 2015 11:13 AM  

"It's amazing how quickly it took for this term to jump the shark."

More handwaving.

Blogger Josh August 13, 2015 11:15 AM  

More handwaving.

Look retard, you're now calling people cuckservatives because they oppose abortion.

Congratulations, now the entire right wing is cuckservative.

Anonymous PA August 13, 2015 11:17 AM  

"But not relevant to your genocide monomania"

It's the spectre of our times.

Blogger Nate August 13, 2015 11:18 AM  

Look...

If you want to argue that abortion should be legal because it kills blacks and controls the black population..

Then you are fucking Sanger. Fuck off. This isn't the place for you. You're evil.

Blogger Guitar Man August 13, 2015 11:18 AM  

Josh, don't you know, if you don't have a swastika tattooed on your rear then you can't possibly be a true conservative, therefore, you're a cuckservative!

Blogger Josh August 13, 2015 11:18 AM  

Then you are fucking Sanger. Fuck off. This isn't the place for you. You're evil.

Preach

Blogger Josh August 13, 2015 11:19 AM  

Josh, don't you know, if you don't have a swastika tattooed on your rear then you can't possibly be a true conservative, therefore, you're a cuckservative!

Oh noos! How shall I ever muddle through life...

Anonymous PA August 13, 2015 11:19 AM  

"Look retard, :

Did my words upset you?

"... you're now calling people cuckservatives because they oppose abortion."

I do no such thing.

"Congratulations, now the entire right wing is cuckservative."

If the shoe fits...

Blogger Josh August 13, 2015 11:21 AM  

Did my words upset you?

Your words are as evil as words from the very mouth of Satan.

Anonymous MEC #0374 August 13, 2015 11:21 AM  

America Won’t Reject Abortion Until It Sees Abortion!
Fr. Frank Pravone.
This guy has been saying this for years. The recent video revelations is showing Americans the brutality of abortion and making long time pro-choicers rethink their positions. I would guess that the overwhelming majority of pro-choice individuals have never seen pics or videos of the procedure. I believe a great many would change their tune if they did.

Blogger Josh August 13, 2015 11:21 AM  

I do no such thing.

Then why did you call me a cuckservative?

Blogger Aquila Aquilonis Fulminata August 13, 2015 11:25 AM  

Its seems that PA is now officially a retard.

Anonymous Steve August 13, 2015 11:26 AM  

Allan - His solution? Advances in medical technology.

Hmm. Maybe. But abortion isn't a property rights issue, any more than slavery was. It's a moral issue. This is an example of clever libertarians overthinking something that's actually very simple.

Should slaves have been told "just you wait till technology makes you obsolete, then you can be free"?

Of course not. Nor should unborn infants be burned with chemicals or stabbed with surgical implements while we await technology to catch up with reckless promiscuity.

that's how you get rid of abortion in 25-50 years.

I would abolish it in one year.

Simply make it illegal, and reserve a place in unpleasant high-security prisons for doctors who continue to perform abortions. And jail anyone attempting to procure an abortion.

Problem solved.

Lest we forget, much more trivial issues (like drunk driving) have already been greatly mitigated through fines and jail sentences. We still have drunk drivers, but the days when it was socially acceptable to "have a drink, have a drive" seem like a lifetime ago.

Anonymous PA August 13, 2015 11:27 AM  

"Then why did you call me a cuckservative?"

Because by your admission you accept an addition of 50 million additional underclass coloreds in your country -- genocide in part effectively -- in the name of a seemingly conflicting moral value.

If you refused to accept both abortion and a demographic disaster, then you would not be a cuckservative. But you had to be a binary thinker about it.

Blogger Guitar Man August 13, 2015 11:28 AM  

Father Pavone is a true hero.

Anonymous Jack Amok August 13, 2015 11:28 AM  

safe, legal, rare

How in the hell can you ever make abortion safe?

For the baby, I mean.

Y'know, I bet if it was less safe for the egg donor, it would become a lot more rare. And if the egg donor dies in the process, well, there's probably quite a few usable organs we could harvest. We really ought to rethink the whole "safe" thing, there are likely quite a few advantages to "dangerous."

Blogger Nate August 13, 2015 11:29 AM  

"Did my words upset you?"

No. I'm not upset. I'm calling an idiot and idiot. Its not my house... but it is my community and I view you as a tresspasser.

I view your views as pathetic. I view you as an evil entryist.

I find your Feminist Eugenics repugnant.

Blogger Josh August 13, 2015 11:31 AM  

Because by your admission you accept an addition of 50 million additional underclass coloreds in your country -- genocide in part effectively -- in the name of a seemingly conflicting moral value.

It's not genocide, you illiterate mongoloid.

Would I accept the tradeoff of banning abortion if it meant the 50mm+ aborted would be alive today? You're fucking right I would.

And so would most of the readers here.

If you refused to accept both abortion and a demographic disaster, then you would not be a cuckservative. But you had to be a binary thinker about it.

I answered your stupid question and also pointed out that it was flawed, static, and binary.

Blogger Nate August 13, 2015 11:34 AM  

"I would abolish it in one year.

Simply make it illegal, and reserve a place in unpleasant high-security prisons for doctors who continue to perform abortions. And jail anyone attempting to procure an abortion.

Problem solved."

but but but... what about the dahkies?????

The amazing thing is these dumbasses can't seem to imagine that if abortion wasn't available as free birth control people would change their behavior.

Blogger David-093 August 13, 2015 11:36 AM  

"No. I'm not upset. I'm calling an idiot and idiot. Its not my house... but it is my community and I view you as a tresspasser."

He's from Heartiste's blog, which is not exactly known for being anti-baby killing.

Try this, PA: if you decry blacks for being violent savages in adulthood, and then advocate for the murdering and dismemberment of their unborn children, who have committed no crimes, to prevent them from being violent savages, then you're worse than the people you hate.

Anonymous PA August 13, 2015 11:36 AM  

A rival demographic tide in your homeland is geniocde, in part. If you don't believe that's the case, then you have no solid grounds on which to oppose mass immigration.

You answered my original question erroneously inferring my question's binary premise.

Blogger Nate August 13, 2015 11:40 AM  

"A rival demographic tide in your homeland is geniocde, in part."

there is no rival demographic tide moron.

Blogger Josh August 13, 2015 11:42 AM  

A rival demographic tide in your homeland is geniocde, in part.
No, it's not. Words have actual meanings.
gen·o·cide
noun
the deliberate killing of a large group of people, especially those of a particular ethnic group or nation.


As I previously said, there are more non hispanic white Americans than at any other time in history.

If you don't believe that's the case, then you have no solid grounds on which to oppose mass immigration.

There are more reasons to oppose mass immigration than simply screaming WHITE GENOCIDE WHITE GENOCIDE.

Besides, you're setting up a false dilemma.

I could easily say "if you don't allow genetically superior white men to knock up your white wife and white daughters, you support the weakening of the white race and white genocide, and thus you have no solid grounds on which to oppose mass immigration."

Blogger VD August 13, 2015 11:42 AM  

Because by your admission you accept an addition of 50 million additional underclass coloreds in your country -- genocide in part effectively -- in the name of a seemingly conflicting moral value.

You clearly have no idea what "cuckservative" is, or means. Abortion is one major reason why white birth rates are below replacement level in the USA and in Europe. Moreover, MOST of the 55 million abortions in America have been of white children, about 39 million, to be precise. That's why we have brought in 30 million Hispanics.

Yes, black women get a disproportionate number of abortions, but there simply aren't enough of them to even make up the majority. They account for about 16 million of those 55 million. Even from your white nationalist perspective, your pro-abortion argument is profoundly stupid. If any position in the abortion argument can be said to be "cuckservative", it is the pro-abortion one.

Blogger Nate August 13, 2015 11:43 AM  

the delta between the black birth rate and the white birth rate in the US peaked decades before RvW and it was declining long before RvW.

Its now down to the point where the two are effectively equal and if you consider life span the black population is actually shrinking compared to the white.

Blogger Josh August 13, 2015 11:44 AM  

Moreover, MOST of the 55 million abortions in America have been of white children, about 39 million, to be precise.

So abortion in America is literally white genocide.

Anonymous Sheila August 13, 2015 11:47 AM  

Can't someone be deeply conflicted about this without being an evil nazi? I have loved babies since I was hardly more than one myself. I spent years babysitting - not a few hours here and there, but almost all my free time. My name was the first word the children learned after "mama" and "dada." I have children. I have had a miscarriage. I believe abortion is murder and I condemn it.

BUT. Yes, I realize many here will say there is no "But." As Jourdan noted, like all issues today, abortion is in many ways a proxy for the race issue. Like it or not, that aspect of abortion is in many people's minds. It is in mine. No, I don't want 50 million more blacks sucking the economic life blood and social sanity out of this country, committing tens of thousands of rapes against Whites and robbing and murdering thousands more. I'm not denying that an abortion of a black is killing a child, and I would far rather there be separate nations or forcible sterilization if separation does not happen, but otherwise I'm genuinely torn.

I have always considered this blog a place for rational discussion of difficult issues. I'm not trying to parse words or deny that aborting black babies is not killing them, but I'm truly conflicted here. If this makes me an evil nazi, I guess I'm an evil nazi.

Blogger David-093 August 13, 2015 11:49 AM  

"A rival demographic tide in your homeland is geniocde, in part. If you don't believe that's the case, then you have no solid grounds on which to oppose mass immigration. "

Let me spell it out for you slowly: black Americans BELONG HERE. They're not a rival group and their existence is not genocide.

"So abortion in America is literally white genocide."

Oy vey.

Blogger James Dixon August 13, 2015 11:49 AM  

> There is a rather large disassociation between what we eat and where the food we eat comes from.

Not if you grew up in the country there isn't. For city folks maybe.

> To answer Steve #34 - you can get rid of slavery, we did.

We did?

http://www.endslaverynow.org/?gclid=CJOUmN-wpscCFc0WHwods-0LEw
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/11/17/modern-slavery-walk-free_n_6170840.html
http://www.freetheslaves.net/about-slavery/slavery-today/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery

Just a few of the many links a quick Google search will turn up. We ended on particular type of slavery in one geographic area. That's a significant accomplishment, but it's not "ending slavery".

> maniacprovost - please explain how abortion has been or will be eradicated.

As has been pointed out to me in the past, we haven't eradicated murder either, but that doesn't mean we make it legal. There's no reason to allow unrestricted abortions right up until the baby exits the birth canal.

Anonymous Jill August 13, 2015 11:50 AM  

"The idea that men have to defer to women and permit them to do whatever they want so long as their bodies are involved is both ridiculous and cowardly."

Cowardly...yes, I would say so. They've willingly conceded their basic human right to procreation over nonsensical rhetoric.

Anonymous Huckleberry August 13, 2015 11:50 AM  

So abortion in America is literally white genocide

And a moral cancer that is quickly eroding the very Western Civilization the PAs of the world claim to hold so dear.

Blogger Allan Davis August 13, 2015 11:50 AM  

Steve, with all due respect, I would have to disagree. Why?

"Abolish it within a year. Make it illegal, reserve a space in unpleasant prisons for anyone who uses drugs, and for anyone who attempts to procure drugs. Problem solved."

That's the totalitarian approach to the problem, and it generally fails. It failed with alcohol, it failed with drugs, it would fail with guns. Based on historical precedent, it would likely fail with pretty much anything.

"Should we tell slaves they'll be free someday when technology makes them obsolete?" No, of course not. But it still would have happened eventually anyway.

-=ad=-

Blogger Josh August 13, 2015 11:51 AM  

Can't someone be deeply conflicted about this without being an evil nazi?

No

No, I don't want 50 million more blacks sucking the economic life blood and social sanity out of this country, committing tens of thousands of rapes against Whites and robbing and murdering thousands more.

As Vox said, it's 16 million, not 50 million.

So you're willing to murder 39 millions whites and 16 million blacks to prevent the future murder of 100,000 whites?

If this makes me an evil nazi, I guess I'm an evil nazi.

To quote one of your own, if the shoe fits...

Blogger Guitar Man August 13, 2015 11:51 AM  

Sheila, yes, that makes you one.

Blogger Rabbi B August 13, 2015 11:53 AM  

"I have loved babies"

The real question is do you love life? Human, G-d-ordained, life?

The entire debate turns on that question: What is the nature of what is in a woman's womb? Is it a life or not?

The pro-choice folks have cleverly re-framed the debate by calling themselves "pro-choice". The debate is pro-life versus pro-death/murder. Pro-choice is just a smokescreen, and despicable one at that.

Anonymous Huckleberry August 13, 2015 11:56 AM  

or forcible sterilization if separation does not happen

And why, exactly, is an authoritarian thug like yourself attracted to this blog?
I'm not being facetious, I'm genuinely curious.

I'm truly conflicted here

Read and pray, then, is all I can offer.

Blogger Quadko August 13, 2015 11:56 AM  

What a woman! That's one way a brave woman stands up for civilization; motivating the men in her life to do right.

Just because we can't "get rid of" murder, abuse, and theft doesn't mean they should be legal. Same with abortion; it's illegal because it's bad and practitioners need to be punished by society.

Blogger Rabbi B August 13, 2015 11:57 AM  

"Can't someone be deeply conflicted about this without being an evil nazi?"

Deeply conflicted about deliberately and methodically taking the lives of the innocent and defenseless? Deeply conflicted about standing by while innocent blood is shed?

What on G-d's green earth is the "conflict?"

Blogger Nate August 13, 2015 11:59 AM  

"Can't someone be deeply conflicted about this without being an evil nazi?"

No.

If you're deeply conflicted... then that is the good part of you... fighting with the evil nazi part of you.

the fact that you have a conflict should be source of shame.

We are christians Shelia. We are on the side of life. Always. Death is repugnant. God hates death. Death is from sin.

Anonymous RedJack #22 August 13, 2015 12:04 PM  

So, we need to keep the infanticide to limit the number of poor kids being born....

Friends, in a more civilized time we hung people who advocated the elimination of a whole people. And if "poor, violent prone youths" was the reason for abortion, why do we import those same youths by millions?

The stories of "I want to go on vacation" or "I want to look good at my prom" are more common than not. But things are shifting a bit. My bride teaches at a local high school. The kids who used to kill their children are having them now (except for the white ones, their moms drive them to the local infanticide clinic). Some of those kids, now in school, are very thankful their moms not killing them. Many of them are NOT having sleeping around.

With the rather difficult pregnancy of my youngest, the ones pushing me to tell my bride to "Flush and try again!" were not the poor kids and their families, it was the nice church ladies who told me I was abusing my wife for "making" her keep Little Bear. See, the mental health of the mother trumps the life of the child, so killing it before vacation is a noble thing.

I handled it rather curtly. To my pastor's credit, he politely told that woman (who is married to a huge donor of the church) to knock it off or leave. I was not so polite, and told her if she tells me to kill my child again, I will treat it as a threat.

The reason that abortion is so prevalent today is that many women want it to be. They want to be able to fuck any and everyone, with no consequences. They want that "perfect" vacation, and recoil in horror from the world "Mommy". In short, they are so damned evil they choose a nice path to hell.

Blogger Abolish Human Abortion August 13, 2015 12:04 PM  

This is not just something you should point fingers at. This is your responsibility. And the fact that most of you are never found outside an abortuary means it's also in many ways your fault.
Cry aloud.
Abolish Human Abortion
Wake up, church!

Anonymous Krul August 13, 2015 12:05 PM  

Jourdan - "As with everything in America, this is really just another proxy for the race problem."

You guys aren't really binary thinkers. You're monomaniacs. You honestly think that *everything* is a proxy for "the race problem". Insane.

Binary thinking would be an improvement for you lot.

Anonymous RedJack #22 August 13, 2015 12:07 PM  

@135 Allen, why do we have laws against theft? There has been theft since the dawn of history, and it always happens. Why are we trying to force our morality on those people who just want the stuff you currently have?

Blogger Cail Corishev August 13, 2015 12:07 PM  

I find your Feminist Eugenics repugnant.

Agreed. And his argument is stupid, but that's beside the point.

Blogger Cail Corishev August 13, 2015 12:08 PM  

"Cuckservative" essentially means accepting one's genocide

No it doesn't, and adding a weasel word like "essentially" doesn't make it true.

Anonymous Porky August 13, 2015 12:11 PM  

I guess I'm an evil nazi.

Even the nazis didn't sell baby parts for cash.

You're more like an UberNazi.

Anonymous Steve August 13, 2015 12:12 PM  

Allan - That's the totalitarian approach to the problem, and it generally fails. It failed with alcohol, it failed with drugs, it would fail with guns. Based on historical precedent, it would likely fail with pretty much anything.

Based on historical precedent, it worked fine in the US before 1973. And Britain before 1967.

Abortion isn't like drinking or drugs. Nobody's addicted to abortion, it isn't a leisure activity, and you can't just crack open a cold can of abortion.

Blogger Cail Corishev August 13, 2015 12:15 PM  

The amazing thing is these dumbasses can't seem to imagine that if abortion wasn't available as free birth control people would change their behavior.

They must believe that "underclass" women with only 1-2 kids are having an abortion every other year. So the 35-year-old woman who had two abortions followed by two kids when she was in her 20s, but no kids since then, must have started getting abortions again after the second kid.

Because otherwise they'd have to admit that their "what do you do with those 50 million people?" crap is a lie in the service of evil.

Anonymous Stg58 / Animal Mother #225 August 13, 2015 12:16 PM  

I'm not surprised PA is so ignorant on abortion stats that he doesn't know the abortion he champions slaughters millions of his chosen race.

Idiot.

Anonymous Girrafe August 13, 2015 12:22 PM  

PA , at least the guy in the post supported abortion because he thought he was helping women. He was wrong but meant well. You support it to exterminate a people. To see the face of evil just look in the mirror.

Anonymous Stg58 / Animal Mother #225 August 13, 2015 12:24 PM  

I'm praying PA isn't a Christian if this is what he thinks. How about it, murderer? Do you claim to be a Christian, or some kind of Norse Odin bullshit?

Blogger Nate August 13, 2015 12:28 PM  

" That's the totalitarian approach to the problem, and it generally fails. It failed with alcohol, it failed with drugs, it would fail with guns. Based on historical precedent, it would likely fail with pretty much anything."

Murder should be legal... because outlawing it won't reduce it.

/facepalm

Blogger Nate August 13, 2015 12:29 PM  

"or some kind of Norse Odin bullshit?"

hehehehehe

stereotype gotta stereotype

Blogger luagha August 13, 2015 12:29 PM  

One of the many hilarious parts of SOMEWHITHER (by John C. Wright and you should go buy it right now) that I loved was the description of the most telling characteristics of the various worlds.

The world where the Tower of Babel never fell. The world where the Nephilim still walk the earth. Oh, and the world where they kill millions of children in the womb instead of exposing them in a field for friendly childless shepherds to pick up.

Anonymous PA August 13, 2015 12:31 PM  

My discussion was with Josh in objection his eager Yes in response to my original question. My entire discussion with him centered on demographics and not on advocating abortion as the sole means of keeping a sustainable demographic balance. However, Vox's point on actual abortion numbers, which I here accept on faith, by is taken, and it makes my original question logically invalid.

As to hitler-spitting faggots in this thread, I made it a point to ignore them. Until they started putting words in my mouth. Faggots, do point to where I advocate exterminating people, bitch.

Blogger Guitar Man August 13, 2015 12:31 PM  

If PA watches My Little Pony, then we've got the complete set here.

Anonymous Stg58 / Animal Mother #225 August 13, 2015 12:31 PM  

Nate, you're dealing with some real geniuses. If PA is keen on millions of black people not infecting this country, seems he's only tackling half of the problem! What is he going to do about the 30+ Schwarzen Untermenschen who are living and breathing right now?

Blogger Rabbi B August 13, 2015 12:34 PM  

"My entire discussion with him centered on demographics and not on advocating abortion as the sole means of keeping a sustainable demographic balance."

The *sole* means? But *one means*, nonetheless?

Blogger Cail Corishev August 13, 2015 12:34 PM  

Murder should be legal... because outlawing it won't reduce it.

It's dumber than that: they say it might as well be legal because outlawing it won't eliminate it.

Blogger Josh August 13, 2015 12:35 PM  

My entire discussion with him centered on demographics and not on advocating abortion as the sole means of keeping a sustainable demographic balance.

Do you advocate abortion as a means of keeping a sustainable demographic balance?

Blogger Rabbi B August 13, 2015 12:36 PM  

@Josh

Tag team!

Blogger Jürgen Becker August 13, 2015 12:37 PM  

@ Abolish Human Abortion

If you add the "http://" to the beginning of the URLs of your links, Blogger won't mess them up like it did.

Blogger Cail Corishev August 13, 2015 12:38 PM  

With the rather difficult pregnancy of my youngest, the ones pushing me to tell my bride to "Flush and try again!" were not the poor kids and their families, it was the nice church ladies who told me I was abusing my wife for "making" her keep Little Bear.

I once dated a girl from a fine, upstanding, Methodist family, highly respected in their conservative farming community. Eventually found out that she and her two sisters had had at least five abortions between them.

You're right, the Nice White Ladies keep it legal for themselves and their daughters, not for the underclass.

Anonymous PA August 13, 2015 12:39 PM  

Josh: no. I advocate not creating conditions that upset a demographic balance. If that ship has sailed, then I advocate legal means other than abortion to repair the damage.

Anonymous Stg58 / Animal Mother #225 August 13, 2015 12:40 PM  

There is no blacker crime than murdering your own children. That was why God told Joshua to completely eradicate the cultures he did in Judges. They burned their own children as sacrifices to bless their walls.

Anonymous Steve August 13, 2015 12:40 PM  

luagha - please, no SOMEWITHER spoilers. :(

I started it recently.

I'm a John C. Wright fan now. I fear there is no cure.

Blogger Nate August 13, 2015 12:41 PM  

"My entire discussion with him centered on demographics and not on advocating abortion as the sole means of keeping a sustainable demographic balance."

and if that means killing a few million black babies...

Oh wait.. More white babies die than black babies... so now killing babies is wrong!

Bullshit.

Killing babies is always wrong. All babies.

No demographic that thinks otherwise is worth saving.

Blogger Josh August 13, 2015 12:42 PM  

Josh: no. I advocate not creating conditions that upset a demographic balance. If that ship has sailed, then I advocate legal means other than abortion to repair the damage.

So that entire exchange was nothing more than an excuse for you to mentally masturbate about your favorite monomania.

Blogger Josh August 13, 2015 12:44 PM  

There is no blacker crime than murdering your own children.

I'm not sure that we should use black, blacker, blackest, etc on this blog lest it trigger the tender sensibilities of the resident white nationalists.

Or maybe you should just include a trigger warning if you're going to use black in a sentence.

Blogger Allan Davis August 13, 2015 12:45 PM  

Redjack, Nate - Remember, I'm debating from a libertarian standpoint. Theft is depriving someone of property, murder is depriving someone of life; I'm not for one second advocating making them legal.

But "the use of drugs" does not directly harm anyone. If someone steals to support their drug habit, then the stealing is in itself a crime. Even driving under the influence could theoretically fall under the same category; the act of driving, in and of itself, is not harming anyone; but running someone over, yes, that's stepping over the line.

I apologize, this debate is straying away from the original abortion topic.

My opinion of Dr. Block's point is that he wanted to find a purely libertarian solution to the question of abortion that didn't lead to a totalitarian end, and he came up with the only solution offered so far that protects both the "property" rights of the mother and the right of the child to survive--and envisioned a world, a few years down the road, where a woman who didn't want to carry a child to term could choose not to do so, without ending the child's life at the same time.

-=ad=-

Blogger Cail Corishev August 13, 2015 12:45 PM  

My discussion was with Josh in objection his eager Yes in response to my original question.

Amazing that you can read eagerness into a single three-letter word.

Josh's "Yes" was the perfect answer, because it makes the point: yes, as Christians, we accept whatever babies God provides. Period. It doesn't matter what they look like, how many there are, or how well they function. Some things aren't negotiable.

Blogger Nate August 13, 2015 12:45 PM  

"no. I advocate not creating conditions that upset a demographic balance. "

There is no demographic issue.

As I have pointed out... the delta between black live birth rate and white live birth rate is now non-existent... and abolishing abortion won't change it significantly for reasons Vox explained.

blacks are breeding less. Not more... and the trend is 60 years old and is still going that way.

the notion that blacks are out breeding whites in the US is simply incorrect to begin with.

Blogger D. Lane (#0067) August 13, 2015 12:45 PM  

@130 I have always considered this blog a place for rational discussion of difficult issues. I'm not trying to parse words or deny that aborting black babies is not killing them, but I'm truly conflicted here. If this makes me an evil nazi, I guess I'm an evil nazi.

Pro tip: If you want to understand whether or not you're a Nazi, examine your logic.

In this case...

1. Abortion is killing
2. Not all killing is unjust
3. Group A is a threat to Group B
4. Defending B is just
5. Reducing A defends B
6. Abortion reduces A
7. Aborting A is just

See NS-202 for Creative Solutions and Applied Supremacy.

Anonymous PA August 13, 2015 12:46 PM  

No. It was an exchange about your nonchalance about the spectre of our times, or my "favorite monomania," if it makes you happy to call it that.

Blogger Rabbi B August 13, 2015 12:46 PM  

"Josh: no. I advocate not creating conditions that upset a demographic balance. If that ship has sailed, then I advocate legal means other than abortion to repair the damage."

Your position still remains vague . . . are you retracting *sole means* from your previous comment?

Anonymous BGS August 13, 2015 12:47 PM  

Let me spell it out for you slowly: black Americans BELONG HERE

The first US Ebola patient and his family don't belong here. We are importing at taxpayer expense more blacks & arabs ,mostly moslem, as "refugees" per year than during slavery. Since the HIV travel ban has been removed by Obama $2,000-$5,000 in AIDS meds a month go to many of them. One city, Lancaster PA, had so many refugees dumped on them in a 3year time that the population became 4% refugee, all on taxpayer benefits, and that is the only city in an Amish area.

So, to keep track, the liberal nazis in here are BGS, Jourdan, and PA. Am I missing anyone else

When I was liberal I went to gaystpo rights conventions where jewish lesbians talked about undoing STR8 White men. Now I don't want to pay my fair share of taxes going towards Latrina's 21 crack babies, & realized that without white people there are no nice clean safe non-Asian neighborhoods.

The amazing thing is these dumbasses can't seem to imagine that if abortion wasn't available as free birth control people would change their behavior.

Take my word for it there is at least one crack ho that squatted out 21 voters for more free stuff. She was even reported on in a NJ newspaper. Obviously she is not average but I doubt you pay enough taxes to cover all of them. The costs tabulated by the Swiss for a single squatmonster family of 8, including medical that couldn't be legally reveled in the US, is over 60,000USD a month . While white families don't have kids until they can afford to raise them right, almost half of their earnings end up go toward Laskanka for having kids. While I cant find 21spawn online easily there is this woman http://www.westernjournalism.com/somebody-need-to-pay-for-my-15-kids/

there is no rival demographic tide moron.

In 1970 the US was 90% white 7% black & the democrats just changed immigration policy denying it would flood US with the 3rd world
By 2060 if trends continue there will be no white majority nation in the world. Asians and whites evolved to have less kids when under stress and that stress today is supporting everyone else's spawn. Now that 90% white in 1970 was white white, while now Hispanics count as white when they commit crimes or when the census wants to fool people. In North Carolina they separated whites from Hispanics to find 90% of child sex criminals are Hispanic.

How many black moslem "refugees" with AIDS can we import before the $2,000-$5,000 per month each in medication costs alone start to add up? There is a white grandmother still working because she needs to at a restaurant I frequent, I would much rather my taxes go to her having $2000+ a month to spend more time with her grandkids than another black moslem like Ali Mohammad Brown.

Anonymous Stg58 / Animal Mother #225 August 13, 2015 12:49 PM  

Josh,

I'm very interested in triggering the fuck out of anyone who defends abortion.

Blogger Josh August 13, 2015 12:50 PM  

BGS: black and arab moslem immigrants aren't black Americans.

Are your chat bot algorithms due for an upgrade?

Blogger Nate August 13, 2015 12:51 PM  

"Take my word for it there is at least one crack ho that squatted out 21 voters for more free stuff. "

and she is accounted for this black live birth rate... which again... is in the same 60 year decline its been in.

Blogger Josh August 13, 2015 12:51 PM  

I'm very interested in triggering the fuck out of anyone who defends abortion.

Problematic!

Blogger Rabbi B August 13, 2015 12:53 PM  

"I'm very interested in triggering the fuck out of anyone who defends abortion."

But, but . . . RAPE and INCEST!

Anonymous Stg58 / Animal Mother #225 August 13, 2015 12:56 PM  

INNOCENT

Anonymous Krul August 13, 2015 12:58 PM  

@177 PA - "No. It was an exchange about your nonchalance about the spectre of our times, or my "favorite monomania," if it makes you happy to call it that."

I think we have good reason to question your nonchalance about abortion.

Oh, I forgot. "Everything is a proxy for the race problem". Who cares about 55 million murdered babies? It matters not at all next to "the spectre of our time".

Blogger Rabbi B August 13, 2015 1:01 PM  

"I think we have good reason to question your nonchalance about abortion."

Seconded.

Anonymous Stg58 / Animal Mother #225 August 13, 2015 1:01 PM  

Krul, you forgot to call out the 34 million white babies PA is in favor of genociding.

Blogger David-093 August 13, 2015 1:04 PM  

"BGS: black and arab moslem immigrants aren't black Americans."

You beat me too it. I thought I was being extremely clear when I said black Americans, but apparently that wasn't enough.

Blogger maniacprovost August 13, 2015 1:09 PM  

Ryan ATL, I shouldn't even address this because your abstract thinking skills are not strong enough to understand me, but since I have time to kill before I get my sushi, here it is.

Execute any person who performs or assists in an abortion. Beat and then sterilize any woman who has one. Make her wear a scarlet letter for the rest of her life as a warning to others. Don't allow teens to socialize without supervision. Ostracize atheists. Persecute anyone tangentially involved with abortion as if it were organized crime. Make contraceptives an opt-out type of thing. Force young men to get married at the end of a shotgun, if they get a girl pregnant.

Then abortion would be eradicated.

Now, here's the bonus hints since you can't possibly understand what I just said. 1) If a random guy on the internet can come up with a draconian solution in 5 minutes, there are guaranteed to be better solutions as well. 2) make sure you look up "eradicated."

Blogger Nate August 13, 2015 1:10 PM  

"I think we have good reason to question your nonchalance about abortion."

exactly. The crap he's he's throwing out comes straight from Margaret Sanger.

Blogger Nate August 13, 2015 1:16 PM  

But "the use of drugs" does not directly harm anyone.

dude... very very few commenters here are pro-drug war.

Though PA may well be... since it can be used to keep the dahkies under control.

Blogger Josh August 13, 2015 1:18 PM  

My opinion of Dr. Block's point is that he wanted to find a purely libertarian solution to the question of abortion that didn't lead to a totalitarian end, and he came up with the only solution offered so far that protects both the "property" rights of the mother and the right of the child to survive--and envisioned a world, a few years down the road, where a woman who didn't want to carry a child to term could choose not to do so, without ending the child's life at the same time.
As I said before, the logical conclusion of this argument is allowing parents to abandon newborn babies. Unless you also advocate for that, you're just posturing.

Anonymous PA August 13, 2015 1:23 PM  

Question my "nonchalance about abortion" all you want. I pushed back on liars' attempt to put words in my mouth about exterminating people but other than that my attitude on abortion is of no concern to anyone here. Some are anti-abortion absolutist who would make their wives deliver a rape-baby. Others are not so absolutist. I have no interest in further commenting about the subject of abortion.

I am surprised by Nate's womanish snark.

Blogger Rabbi B August 13, 2015 1:25 PM  

" . . . my attitude on abortion is of no concern to anyone here.'

Au contraire! It is of grave concern to me.

"I have no interest in further commenting about the subject of abortion."

Why not?

Blogger Josh August 13, 2015 1:25 PM  

but other than that my attitude on abortion is of no concern to anyone here.

Do you support abortion?

I have no interest in further commenting about the subject of abortion.

Do you support abortion?

Blogger Rabbi B August 13, 2015 1:28 PM  

"Do you support abortion?"

There you go again, complicating the subject with a direct question . . . expecting a direct answer.

Blogger Rabbi B August 13, 2015 1:29 PM  

Remember, abortion is a "means" just not a "sole means" . . .

Blogger Josh August 13, 2015 1:31 PM  

Also, if it's of no concern to anyone here, why participate in the thread at all, since the topic is abortion?

Unless, of course, it's to divert the threat to something else.

Blogger Rabbi B August 13, 2015 1:32 PM  

"Some are anti-abortion absolutist who would make their wives deliver a rape-baby."

I wouldn't have to *make* my wife . . . she understands the value of innocent life and is not conflicted about it.

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