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Wednesday, August 26, 2015

Stick to the rape rape, fat boy

George Rape Rape Martin tries to put a little SJW spin on the Hugo Awards:
I had picked Mike Resnick in Short Form and Toni Weisskopf in Long Form, and indeed, each of them finished above all the other nominees in the first round of voting... but well behind No Award. This was a crushing defeat for the slates, and a big victory for the Puppy-Free ballot of Deirdre Moen. Honestly? I hated this. In my judgment the voters threw the babies out with bathwater in these two categories. Long Form had three nominees who are more than worthy of a Hugo (and one, Jim Minz, who will be in a few more years), and Short Form had some good candidates too. They were on the slates, yes, but some of them were put on there without their knowledge and consent. A victory by Resnick, Sowards, Gilbert, or Weisskopf would have done credit to the rocket, regardless of how they got on the ballot. (All four of these editors would almost certainly have been nominated anyway, even if there had been no slates).

((Some are saying that voting No Award over these editors was an insult to them. Maybe so, I can't argue with that. But it should be added that there was a far far worse insult in putting them on the ballot with Vox Day, who was the fifth nominee in both categories. Even putting aside his bigotry and racism, Beale's credential as an editor are laughable. Yet hundreds of Puppies chose to nominate him rather than, oh, Liz Gorinsky or Anne Lesley Groell or Beth Meacham (in Long Form) or Gardner Dozois or Ellen Datlow or John Joseph Adams (in Short Form). To pass over actual working editors of considerable accomplishment in order to nominate someone purely to 'stick it to the SJWs' strikes me as proof positive that the Rabid Puppies at least were more interested in saying 'fuck you' to fandom than in rewarding good work)).
It's amusing how the SJWs in science fiction are claiming five awardless categories as a win while simultaneously trying to figure out how to prevent it from happening again next year. And, Martin demonstrates the truth of the observation SJWs Always Lie, as he tells a whopper about Toni Weisskopf when he claims she would "almost certainly have been nominated anyway, even if there had been no slates".

The fact is Toni Weisskopf never even came CLOSE to being nominated prior to Sad Puppies 1. In 2012, she finished in 14th place. In 2011, 10th. In 2010, 11th. She wasn't even trending in the right direction! Without the Puppies, she would never, ever, have received a nomination and the data shows that the 2015 Long Form nominees would have been virtually identical to the pre-Puppy years, including the aforementioned Liz Gorinsky, Beth Meacham, to say nothing of the Torlock who lobbied for the creation the award so he and his fellow Tor editors could finally win something, Patrick Nielsen Hayden.

And it's fascinating to hear this particular fat old white man speaking about the "bigotry and racism" of this particular American Indian. A few of you will know why. In any event, my credentials as an editor - the correct word is plural, Georgie, perhaps someone can explain that to you - are observably better than Rape Rape's editor, considering how fat with filler his recent novels have become.

But here is a free piece of editorial advice for you, Rape Rape. I know you like it an awful lot, but even so, I recommend you include a little less rape and deviant hate sex in your next book and a little more conventional human affection between men and women who actually love one another. The world you have created is not grim and realistic, it is a cartoonish and nihilistic nightmare. And worse, it's gotten really boring.

Martin is also lying about there not being any anti-Puppy party. As Chaos Horizon has demonstrated, there were observably six different statistical factions voting in the 2015 awards.
Core Rabid Puppies: 550-525
Core Sad Puppies: 500-400
Sad Puppy leaning Neutrals: 800-400 (capable of voting a Puppy pick #1)
True Neutrals: 1000-600 (may have voted one or two Puppies; didn’t vote in all categories; No Awarded all picks, Puppy and Non-Alike)
Primarily No Awarders But Considered a Puppy Pick above No Award: 1000
Absolute No Awarders: 2500
2,500 Absolute No Awarders, up from 600 in 2013. They exist, Rape Rape. Unlike you, statistics don't lie. We know who the SJWs are. The maximum number of principled "No Slate" voters was 285; that's how many people voted No Award over Guardians of the Galaxy compared to the 2496 who voted No Award over Toni Weisskopf, the 2350 who voted No Award over Kirk Douponce, and the 2672 who suddenly decided that 38-time nominee and 5-time winner Mike Resnick was no longer worthy.

The post-awards spin that the 2,500 SJWs in science fiction voted No Award on the basis of unmerited nominees simply doesn't hold up to either statistical analysis or a comparison with past Hugo winners.

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82 Comments:

Blogger DaveofSpades August 26, 2015 5:17 AM  

I stayed on the sidelines and watched this year because I honestly believed that the CHORFs wouldn't burn it all down to "save" it or there'd be enough puppies to overcome them. I was wrong.

I'm in for next year. Give me a platoon of Amphibious Assault Otters & point me in their direction.

Anonymous Boogeyman VFM #240 August 26, 2015 6:03 AM  

Rape Rape Martin ... never gets old. Always makes be think of that stupid early 80's cartoon with the giant purple gorilla.

"Grape ape!"

In my mind I will forever see him naked, hairy, walking on his knuckles, purple, and bellowing "Grape rape, grape rape!"

Gamergate, Puppies, Trump. Dam but it feels good to have people punch back for a change!

Anonymous Ain August 26, 2015 6:19 AM  

Tvtropes often claims that fans like to joke that they're rooting for team White Walker. I don't think it's a joke. Rape-Rape's crafted a world that nobody cares about.

Blogger AmyJ August 26, 2015 6:28 AM  

@Ain

Yeah, it's hard to care about a world where anyone showing any kind of decency, bravery, or integrity dies senseless, brutal deaths. Only SJWs truly enjoy rooting for the cockroaches scuttling in the shadows, surviving on low cunning, treachery, and cowardice.

It's an ugly world.

Blogger The CronoLink August 26, 2015 6:41 AM  

When we were discussing the Hugo aftermath in the facebook group, aside from checking Rape Rape's site, I thought I should check out Black Gate as well. I thought John O'Neil was a nice guy; boy, was I wrong. These past few days, turns out he came out of the closet to show what a huge douchebag he is. I don't know if he was always like this but hid it well or it was another "Charles C Johnson case", where some "friends" pressured him to finally "pick a side". Speculation on my part, of course. Anyway, what a fucking classless asshole.

Blogger Tommy Hass August 26, 2015 6:42 AM  

I like Littlefinger. :shrugs:

Anonymous Steve, The Dark Ninja of Mockery August 26, 2015 6:52 AM  

Boogeyman - Always makes be think of that stupid early 80's cartoon with the giant purple gorilla.

The early 80's was when G. R. R. Martin last saw his own penis without the aid of a periscope.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan August 26, 2015 7:01 AM  

I can't wait to hear what they push for their non-slate picks next year. I'm sure it will be some super duper special great paint by the numbers message fic.

Anonymous Steve, The Dark Ninja of Mockery August 26, 2015 7:02 AM  

"It was this big, and thick like an elephant's trunk, see? And covered with notches from all the sexual intercourse I'd been having..."

Blogger Cataline Sergius August 26, 2015 7:02 AM  

"almost certainly have been nominated anyway, even if there had been no slates".

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA (*wheez...wheez) HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

Blogger Michael Maier August 26, 2015 7:05 AM  


And it's fascinating to hear this particular fat old white man speaking about the "bigotry and racism" of this particular American Indian. A few of you will know why.


Droll, old chap. Droll, I say.

How can you post that without elaboration?

FIE!

Blogger John August 26, 2015 7:11 AM  

Here's how I judge it… Yes, I watch GOT. I do have an interest. Of course, as noted earlier, any character I may have been rooting for (Rob Stark, John Snow, Ned Stark) has been killed, and the method of their death is specifically that of having their honorable nature bite them in the ass. In the words of Otter, from Animal House, "you fucked up; you trusted us!"

But I digress, back to judgement: While I GENERALLY like and enjoy the show (indeed, I've subscribed to HBO for a month for the past two years ONLY for the show), I do not rematch the seasons. I compare this to Life, Farscape, and other series that I found greatly entertaining, to the point that, while working, I will have these series running as background noise on streaming media when I grow tired of music.

So, one and done for Game of Thrones. Other series, not so much.

I compare this, further, to the Lord Of The Rings Trilogy. A 9-12 hour extravaganza which I've re-watched too many times. Why? Because, no matter that I know who dies, and that they WILL die, the writer made me CARE about the characters. Boromir and Theoden both die heroically in defense of Right. Aragorn performs heroically, in the finest sense of the word. Certain scenes will actually send a chill down my spine, EVERY time I watch.

Game of Thrones amounts to: whew, he/she survived, and didn't do anything totally horrific this week. Thank goodness! Oh, look over here on plot line 1-5 of 6, boobs, treachery and murder.

I'll watch it. Once. But I've nothing invested in the characters. Rape Rape has killed off all the 'good guys,' in building his world wherein the definition of 'right' and 'good' is survival and revenge.

Meh.

Blogger Allan Davis August 26, 2015 7:13 AM  

Gah...I thought I was the only weird one making the Grape Ape connection...

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Blogger Allan Davis August 26, 2015 7:23 AM  

I tried to summarize everything in my latest LRC article.

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2015/08/allan-davis/the-pc-sci-fi-wars/

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Anonymous Usul August 26, 2015 7:32 AM  

GRRM should be embarrassed by the last season of Game of Thrones. They cruised through books that he spent a decade writing, doing the editing job that should have been done years ago. The show was much better for it, as well. A decade"s work turned into a season (plus some leakage) of television

Anonymous Steve, The Dark Ninja of Mockery August 26, 2015 7:34 AM  

Mr.Mantraman - I can't wait to hear what they push for their non-slate picks next year.

Best Novel: ANCILLARY GONADS - Pat is a genderqueer LGBTLOLWTF 6ft 2" badass space marine on a secret mission to smash the shady intergalactic conspiracy known as The Patriarchy. Xe must travel to the Vulva Nebula to obtain a secret weapon that promises to turn the tide of battle. But time is running short, as The Patriarchy is massing its Phallic invasion fleet on the borders of Safer Space...

Best Related Work: CHILD MOLESTORS DIG TIME LORDS

Best Fan Artist: FRANK WU, for his painting "Brianna in Space".

Blogger FALPhil August 26, 2015 7:45 AM  

I stayed on the sidelines and watched this year because I honestly believed that the CHORFs wouldn't burn it all down to "save" it or there'd be enough puppies to overcome them. I was wrong.

Dave, if you stayed on the sidelines this year, what the hell makes you think a pussy like you deserves a platoon next year?

Blogger Cataline Sergius August 26, 2015 7:51 AM  

I know you like it an awful lot, but even so, I recommend you include a little less rape and deviant hate sex in your next book and a little more conventional human affection between men and women who actually love one another.

I don't think Martin can do it. I believe that that is the reason he spent the last book dawdling around, writing his own fan fiction.

He is supposed to be writing a long love story between Jon Mope and Khaleesi-Sue. And it is completely beyond him. He can't do traditional or even non-traditional romance unless it's between a boy and his whip.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan August 26, 2015 7:53 AM  

But RR does have the ability to dog whistle the sexual fetishists without sounding like a Penthouse Forum writer, give him that. And IMO that is his core support and I'll bet they have some great stories to tell, hope they never get feelbadz because of RR

Anonymous Steve, The Dark Ninja of Mockery August 26, 2015 7:55 AM  

Dave, change your name to Steve and you can fight alongside the Evil Legion of Stevil.

We don't do amphibious assaults, because I hate the cold and BGS hates messing up his hair. But we do forced orbital insertions in our massive, cock-shaped dropship.

And we have an awesome battle song: "What Is Love" by Haddaway

Anonymous Whitey McWhite August 26, 2015 7:58 AM  

Deserve's got nothing to do with it.

Blogger Steveo #238 August 26, 2015 8:05 AM  

I never thought this would happen to me -

but my superhot neighbor was reading a GRRM novel while tanning naked in her backyard behind her privacy fence, when my drone controls wigged out...

I can't even go there, the sjws at Tor will just edit it into their next sci-fi novel; and another long-form hugo plastic rocket will pin it's tail on a donkey for the umpteenth time.

Anonymous Stingray August 26, 2015 8:11 AM  

I watched the pilot episode of GoT. The incest left me sick and I have not watched any more. I had been considering picking it back up again because of how great I always hear it is. I think I'll leave it after reading what you all have to say about it here.

Blogger Tommy Hass August 26, 2015 8:13 AM  

Just read that post about "MUH VISUAL ASPECTS OF SLAVERY".

What the fuck does that even mean? Did she miss that the Mary Sue slaughtered large numbers of people because their wealth was invested in human capital?

Also, does she really believe that slavery: white master:brown slave? Cuz then, ISIS ain't slavers.

Anonymous Bz August 26, 2015 9:11 AM  


Best Novel: ANCILLARY GONADS

Best Related Work: CHILD MOLESTORS DIG TIME LORDS


Works like these could be written, published and nominated if one were so inclined. And if it's for the cause of Social Justice, why not? Why not indeed?

NB: To attain the proper length for a given category, recall that "ALL WORK AND NO PLaY MaKEs JAck A duLL BoY".

Anonymous Giuseppe The Kurgan August 26, 2015 9:16 AM  

Rape Rape lies with such clear intent it's infuriating. He knows exactly what he is doing too. He is INTENTIONALLY projecting the amiable fool while knowingly thinking he is smarter than everyone else and able to sway them as he wishes.

Well Georgie Rape Rape, you're still obscenely fat, uglier than a leprous pig and you will die never having known the love of a woman even for a minute.

And, RP/SP which I propose we morph into Were-puppies 1, will tear your kind to pieces.

Anonymous joe doakes August 26, 2015 9:19 AM  

In my youth, Hugo and Nebula on the cover meant "Good." Since about 1990, it's meant "Politically Correct." But the point of reading SF/F is to escape the relentless political correctness of modern American life so I quit reading it.

I've been digging back through the last couple of decades of Hugo and Nebual winners, trying to find something worth reading to change my mind. "Among Others" won both in 2012 and the library lends Kindle books free, so why not? The heroine is a SF/F reader herself so every page lists SF/F titles she's read, which is fun because I've read most of them and found a few others to try.

But get this . . . the SF/F books listed in the story are our kind of books, written long ago and mostly by White men exploring fascinating intellectual concepts.

For crying out loud, even the Characters in modern politically correct SF/F hate modern politically correct SF/F.

I'm so glad I voted straight ticket Rabid Puppies this year. Looking forward to doing it again next year.

Anonymous Randomatos August 26, 2015 9:21 AM  

If RapeRape and co could do (or even understand the importance of) this kind of math, they wouldn't have been stupid enough to burn it down for our entertainment. Or at least not so openly. "Why are you using numbers when our FEELINGS are hurt!?!"

OpenID jakoye August 26, 2015 9:28 AM  

If you get sick at the mention of incest, Stingray, then do stay away from any study of the Ptolemys! And really, the royal families of Europe were very interbred. Thus all the hemophilia and, Prince Charles.

OpenID jakoye August 26, 2015 9:37 AM  

Looking at Martin, my non-medical professional opinion is that he's not long for this world. Gravity always wins, as Radiohead says, and I'm sure it's doing a job on that pile of goo.

Despite his being an SJW, he wrote 3 good books, which shows again that our side can appreciate art for its own sake rather than requiring any authors we read to agree with our political opinions. Politics is not the be all and end all.

However, beyond those 3 books, he has produced a lot of shit. Points to Usul (base of the pillar) for making the, er, *point* that the TV series smartly condensed two meandering books into one season. They may just finish the series before Rape-Rape does.

Anonymous Stingray August 26, 2015 9:38 AM  

@28

It's not the mention of it. It was watching it. So much perversion has been glorified that I was afraid this was being glorified as well. Maybe it wasn't (and I think I remember people telling me that it's not in the show), but I'm tired of having such things shoved down my throat. It's disgusting and I didn't want to watch any more.

Anonymous Viidad August 26, 2015 9:39 AM  

@jakoye

So what? There's the historical reality of incest... then there's watching it for entertainment. Game of Thrones is filled with visual depictions of filth - there's nothing wrong with Stingray disliking and avoiding it.

Blogger Cail Corishev August 26, 2015 9:58 AM  

He is supposed to be writing a long love story between Jon Mope and Khaleesi-Sue.

If that's the plan, maybe it's just as well that he's not finishing it, because that's lame.

Blogger darkdoc August 26, 2015 9:59 AM  

Even putting aside his bigotry and racism, Beale's credential as an editor are laughable.

RapeRape is LiarLiar. He NEVER puts aside what he calls bigotry or racism.

I wonder if he knows that it is worse to be a liar and coward more than it is to recognize clear racial differences.

I wonder if he knows that leftists are always looking for the cheapest grace - hence the lies and accusations.

Blogger James Dixon August 26, 2015 10:05 AM  

> Gah...I thought I was the only weird one making the Grape Ape connection

Nah. I just haven't bothered mentioning it. I figured the tragic viewing choices of my younger years were of no interest to the Ilk.

Anonymous Gecko August 26, 2015 10:11 AM  

The world you have created is not grim and realistic, it is a cartoonish and nihilistic nightmare.

Preach it, brother!

Valar morghulis = humanity must be purged.

Blogger Student in Blue August 26, 2015 10:21 AM  

@Tommy Hass
Also, does she really believe that slavery: white master:brown slave? Cuz then, ISIS ain't slavers.

Most likely, yes. She really, genuinely believes that.

SJWs are twisted.

Blogger CM August 26, 2015 10:40 AM  

He is supposed to be writing a long love story between Jon Mope and Khaleesi-Sue.

If that's the plan, maybe it's just as well that he's not finishing it, because that's lame.


Agree w Cail. That IS lame. Not that I care if they marry or not, but as an addendum or epilogue after Jon Snow rises from the ashes of his death, takes up his flaming bear/wolf sword, hops on a dragon, and burns the wights to the ground in dragonfire.

That's what *I* thought he was supposed to be writing.

Anonymous REG August 26, 2015 10:41 AM  

It's late and I've got to leave so I apologize for not reading the comments first. But Martin hosted a party and gave out awards to those that were supposed to have won if our group hadn't shown up. Puts the lie to his statements above. If someone else already posted this link, sorry.

http://io9.com/this-is-what-the-2015-hugo-ballot-should-have-been-1725967147

Anonymous Giuseppe The Kurgan August 26, 2015 10:42 AM  

I am glad thst The Dark Ninja of Mockery has finally taken up his mantle.
Small comfort to those foolish enough to click on his links, which often require the boiling of your own eyes in acid afterwards.

Blogger Russell (106) August 26, 2015 11:23 AM  

"which often require the boiling of your own eyes in acid afterwards."

Still more tender than the mercies of Malwyn.

Did GRRM have the exact number of hood ornaments ready to go? If he did, then the results were leaked well before hand. This smacks of collusion and fraud.

This just keeps getting better! This has been more bang for my $40 than I had anticipated.

Wait, I just noticed "Locked In" was on the Pity Party list, and still didn't win. Scalzi can't even win in a safe space with his fellow SJWs.

Blogger Feather Blade August 26, 2015 11:37 AM  

@24 Also, does she really believe that slavery: white master:brown slave?

Yes because The Narrative says that Men of Pallor are the origin and executors of all that is wrong with the world, and the only people in history who have ever bought, sold and used like livestock, their fellow human beings are those nasty White Devils.

What's that you say? This view of history robs brownish people of their agency as sapient human beings, and determiners of their own fate? Well, you're wrong, because shut up! /SJW

I figure they're just jealous that we Northerners can use our pasty, pasty skin as a signal beacon in low light conditions.

Anonymous Stephen (VI) VII August 26, 2015 11:39 AM  

Please go easy on GRRMpa, he's bad at numbers.

Anonymous IsMise August 26, 2015 11:52 AM  

I just bought SJWs Always Lie.

Blogger Sad Puppy August 26, 2015 12:02 PM  

@26

I think I have already become a Were-Puppy.

Blogger Were-Puppy August 26, 2015 12:09 PM  

Oh my, now i gotta work on my MHI PUFF exemption.

Anonymous kfg August 26, 2015 12:32 PM  

We've got a gorilla for sale
Magilla, Gorilla, for sale

Won't ya buy him, take him home and try him

Gorilla for sale.

Anonymous Shnookums August 26, 2015 12:40 PM  

@26 Rape Rape lies with such clear intent it's infuriating.

Very well put. I love ASOIAF, even books 4 & 5, but man oh man does Garge give me the shits. He clearly has no idea how easy it is to read between his lines. I remember him trying to outfox Larry Correia (http://grrm.livejournal.com/422311.html) and thinking he can't possibly think people don't see what he's trying to do here, can he? It's enraging. Clearly he fancies himself a master politician, but there's a big difference between writing about machiavellian geniuses and being one.

The other thing that irritates me is his pathetic lust for as much approbation as he can get his flippers on. It's unseemly how much he wants to win these awards. And what's worse is he's a bad sport about losing. Just look at the possessive tone he takes when talking about "losing my Hugo" to someone. I don't care how much he protests that his whole Hugo Losers Club thing is just a joke. Many a truth were spoke in jest, or whatever, and it's not hard to see that he really is a sore loser despite his purportedly ironic pose. What a fucking weenie.

Matter of fact, he's fast approaching Jamie Oliver's place as Celebrity Who Most Gets On My Tits

Anonymous Shnookums August 26, 2015 1:35 PM  

Also, @11 - seconded. Anybody care to enlighten us?

Anonymous GreyS August 26, 2015 1:46 PM  

Rape Rape blasting someone about editing is like Scalzi ripping another person for humblebragging or aggrandizing self-promotion.

Anonymous Hong Hu Shi August 26, 2015 1:50 PM  

Can we nominate the Downfall bit Vox posted a few days ago for Best Short-Form Dramatic? That was awesome.

Anonymous Forrest Bishop VFM #0167 August 26, 2015 1:59 PM  

@14. Allan Davis

I tried to summarize everything in my latest LRC article.

Which is We Had To Burn The Hugos To Save Them That is an excellent summary. Good job, Allan.

(Go like this to embed a URL into a blogger post- Title Replace the URL between the quotes with the actual url and replace Title with the text you want the reader to see. )

Sample from Davis-
Mytheos Holt... quotes one Hugo voter, Phil Sandifer, as Tweeting “I admit to voting exclusively authors whose politics do not utterly repel me,” and continues:

I think it’s fair to say that if people like Sandifer are the people in charge of picking who gets to be the heir of Robert Heinlein or Ursula K. LeGuin, then the Sad Puppies had every reason to be concerned that quality had been eclipsed by politics. Sandifer, for his part, didn’t bother denying this, saying only that “Politics is a form of quality” before calling his critics “effing morons.”

One truly minor point, it's not merely "Phil Sandifer", it's The Hon. Dr. Phil Sandifer, BA, BS, Esq., AbC, DeF, PhD, EtC. That's important to him says this effing moron.
Phil: I'll see your effing microaggression and raise you 3 microIdon'tgiveafucks.

Blogger LP999/S.I.G. Burn'in Up! August 26, 2015 2:00 PM  

I'm so done with Rape-Rape that I...replaced my abstracty game of thrones tribute art with chilly summer blue flame inspired items.

Blogger MidKnight (#138) August 26, 2015 2:02 PM  

Beale's credential as an editor are laughable

IMO - Vox's credentials are among the best. He put together RtRH, and impressed Pournelle enough to not only get a Pournelle story in that anthology, but to re-issue the There WIll be War series

Blogger LP999/S.I.G. Burn'in Up! August 26, 2015 2:07 PM  

LIES!

VD offers, teaches, writes, produces multi across the board cerebral specialties;

Christianity, atheism, economics, sci-fi, modern culture, history, language arts, where does the list end? Cred SIG.

High IQ host delivers while shaming competition into submission.

Anonymous Jared August 26, 2015 2:29 PM  

Say what you will, GOT is a fantasy masterpiece that will last for generations. Much as I like vox day, nothing he's written or done will be remembered ten years after his death.

GOT is grim, but there is a clear moral thread running throughout. And in the real, people who are honorable and honest do get destroyed, unfortunately.

Disregarding honor and exploiting a weak front is at the basis of our success with the Hugos.

Concealment, a deceptive front, and exploiting vulnurability is also the basis of pua teaching.

None of this is in dispute.

Sjw's are loathsome because they seek to moralize everything. We fight them because we are not bound by any code of honor except victory. We even use their own tactics against them.

Victory and success are everything. In the real world, victory can often only be had through extensive deceit and exploiting people's vulnurabilities.

Blogger CarpeOro August 26, 2015 2:39 PM  

Next thing you know, he'll be chewing gum in line. VFM#105

Anonymous Bz August 26, 2015 2:49 PM  

Eh, GOT is in the same immortal category as WOT. Once the TV show is over, I think that will be pretty much it.

Anonymous Bz August 26, 2015 3:06 PM  

Somewhat on topic, I read Wright's summary of the Hugos (http://www.scifiwright.com/2015/08/in-memoriam/) and got the strange feeling that he must be one or possibly several of the Horsemen of the SJW Apocalypse, of Horses White (Victory), Red (War) and Pale (Death). Given the rotundity of SJW, I'm not sure Black (Famine) applies. But perhaps that too.

But consider: Where Wright has silently ridden, a ruined field now remains, with only a grey-headed wrinkled toad-like people dancing and hopping madly in bizarre, repulsive frenzy. And this: His terrible, considering gaze shall perhaps linger on World Con 2016 too.

Blogger automatthew August 26, 2015 3:11 PM  

Jared @56

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Anonymous Forrest Bishop VFM #0167 August 26, 2015 3:32 PM  

@59. Bz

Somewhat on topic, I read Wright's summary of the Hugos http://www.scifiwright.com/2015/08/in-memoriam ...
But consider: Where Wright has silently ridden, a ruined field now remains...


I went back and read it again, it is that good. Curiously, there is a typo or perhaps misspelling. I mention this because it is a rare find. I don't think Mr. Wright has used the word "misandry" much. It's a creepy ~neologism as is much of the SJW vocabulary.


Anonymous BGS August 26, 2015 3:56 PM  

Rape Rape has killed off all the 'good guys,' ...definition of 'right' and 'good' is survival and revenge.

Perhaps Jon Snow will come back as an undead revenant and be a force for good.

Best Related Work: CHILD MOLESTORS DIG TIME LORDS

Next on Dr Who- Lena Dunham is taken into the past where she molests herself.

Anonymous Shut up rabbit August 26, 2015 5:07 PM  

@56. Your concern is noted now shut up. (Oh and you forgot about, ...something, something guns...)

Blogger Achillea August 26, 2015 5:25 PM  

$40 x 2,500 = $100,000. That's how much the SJWs set on fire in your honor. Burnt offerings, indeed.

Anonymous Statists are so dull August 26, 2015 6:02 PM  

@64. Peanuts for Mr G "Why can't you all play nice and do what I want" Rape Rape Martin.

Blogger Carl Philipp August 26, 2015 6:09 PM  

@16 Steve "CHILD MOLESTORS DIG TIME LORDS"
Is this... a thing we can make happen? Like. Has David Gerrold talked about Doctor Who before? Are there any other Suspected DW fans with blog posts or Tweets that can be anthologized without their permission? What is the minimum precaution that would need to be taken to avoid a defamation lawsuit?

Anonymous Nathan August 26, 2015 6:25 PM  

@66

I'm sure it's already on the way. They already did Chicks Dig Time Lords and Queers Dig Time Lords. And I really wish I was joking.

Blogger Tim_W_Burke August 26, 2015 6:57 PM  

"Yet hundreds of Puppies chose to nominate him rather than, oh, Liz Gorinsky or Anne Lesley Groell or Beth Meacham (in Long Form) or Gardner Dozois or Ellen Datlow or John Joseph Adams (in Short Form). To pass over actual working editors of considerable accomplishment in order to nominate someone purely to 'stick it to the SJWs' strikes me as proof positive that the Rabid Puppies at least were more interested in saying 'fuck you' to fandom than in rewarding good work))."
What was the reasoning for the nominations? Were there SJW tendencies in these editors that GRRM could not perceive?

Blogger Groot August 26, 2015 7:24 PM  

@14. Allan Davis:
"I tried to summarize everything in my latest LRC article."

Nice job.

@20. Steve, The Dark Ninja of Mockery:
Are you moonlighting, or do you now wear the black as part of the Evil Legion of Stevil?

"our massive, cock-shaped dropship."

The one from Flesh Gordon?

56. Jared August 26, 2015 2:29 PM
"in the real, people who are honorable and honest do get destroyed...victory can often only be had through extensive deceit and exploiting people's vulnurabilities."

Ever onward in the project of destroying your own reputation, making sure no one ever trusts you, and sabotaging your prospects. Soldier on, straw-headed soldier of nincompoopery!

Blogger James Dixon August 26, 2015 7:40 PM  

> Much as I like vox day, nothing he's written or done will be remembered ten years after his death.

I see someone hasn't read "The Irrational Atheist". The Return of the Great Depression is also pretty good, but I agree that it's too time specific to be remembered in another 30 years. Unless it's right, of course, in which case it will be a reference for textbooks for a hundred years or more.

Anonymous Godfrey August 26, 2015 11:00 PM  

There should be a "PC" rating system for books. It would help in the search for good (i.e. non-PC) books.

Blogger Calbeck August 27, 2015 1:51 AM  

The Hugo Award footage came out, and several things have been confirmed:

1) That the "Asterisk" was an official award, of which a small facsimile could be purchased by fans for charity. Sasquan Hugo Administrator John Lorentz currently denies this: "They were not awards. They were *gifts* to each and every nominee."

2) Contrary to Mr. Lorentz' assertion that "the Hugo Administrators knew nothing about them", the Asterisk Awards carry the legally-protected Hugo mark, were introduced on-stage, and a special slide for the projector was used to display the Award at that time. The Awards are also lettered with "Official WorldCon 2015 Asterisk" on one side and "2015 Hugo Award Nominee" on the other.

3) The Asterisk was introduced thusly: "In the sports world, when a year is unusual, we mark it in the record book. This year, especially."

(http://livestream.com/worldcon/2015HugoAwards?t=1440633884950) (from 1:40)

PROBLEM: "The sports asterisk has come to signify a record that is in question."

(http://www.examiner.com/article/the-sports-asterisk)

For all the efforts of Hugo emcee David Gerrold and award creator Jim Wright, to make the asterisk about combining exclamation points and representing fandom as a wildcard, neither ever came back to address the "mark it in the record book" elephant. The reality is, the asterisk can be, and is, absolutely everything which was said about it on stage --- including a symbol which stains awards as illegitimate. Put as many flowers on that carcass as you like.

When we look to the origin for the idea of the 2015 Asterisk Award, this purpose becomes all too clear. On April 14th, Gerrold said:

"This year -- this stuff, this little turd in the punch bowl -- the community will survive it. Whatever happens, the Hugo will survive. With an asterisk, perhaps. (Maybe we'll hand out official asterisks with the trophies this year.) But the one thing that is growing more and more likely ... the architects of this squabble will have indelibly damaged themselves in the eyes of the SF community."

(https://archive.is/H719F)

The Asterisks were meant, from the beginning, as a stain on the Hugos. They ARE a stain on the Hugos. They will ALWAYS be a stain on the Hugos.

But more importantly, setting aside all the stupid acrimony, the Asterisks also invalidated each and every nominee. They did so without anyone, even once, alleging that the World Science Fiction Society's Constitution, or the Hugo Award rules governed by it, had been breached.

My vote, and the vote of everyone in this record-setting year of Hugo votes, was invalidated. Because, no matter who we voted for, they were ALL awarded an Asterisk.

Sasquan, you've refused me a very simple request: a refund and a copy of my struck ballot. I mean to have my refund. And everyone who voted in your farce, your insult to a venerable institution, the one that even now you're denying in writing ever happened at all, deserves their money back as well.

Anonymous Giuseppe The Kurgan August 27, 2015 2:46 AM  

Jared @56
You whiny, parhetic, ball-less midwit.
If you think the ELoE, or Vox, or the dread ilk have no concept of honour other than "victory" you are functionally incapable of even understanding why this war even exists in the first place. Take your moderate ass out into no-man's land where it belongs so we can use your corpse as a sandbag.

Blogger SciVo August 27, 2015 2:58 AM  

Tim_W_Burke @68: "What was the reasoning for the nominations?"

Well, although "stick it to the SJWs" is a perfectly good reason, recommending himself for 1st and 4th in different categories gave some interesting data. For example, from "Best Editor, Long Form," Vox has about 400 fans that don't follow direction well (since he recommended Anne and Jim above himself).

Anonymous Forrest Bishop VFM #0167 August 27, 2015 3:38 AM  

@72. Calbeck

Sasquan, you've refused me a very simple request: a refund and a copy of my struck ballot. I mean to have my refund. And everyone who voted in your farce, your insult to a venerable institution, the one that even now you're denying in writing ever happened at all, deserves their money back as well.

Say there Calbeck, looks to me like you have identified the basis for a class-action, or multi-party-tort, lawsuit revolving around False Advertising and/or Deceptive Trade Practice. I paid for A and I received B in a classic bait and switch.

Now I want my $40.00 back too.

Anonymous Steve, The Dark Ninja of Mockery August 27, 2015 5:58 AM  

Giuseppe - I am glad thst The Dark Ninja of Mockery has finally taken up his mantle.
Small comfort to those foolish enough to click on his links, which often require the boiling of your own eyes in acid afterwards.


You win the prize ham.

BGS - Next on Dr Who- Lena Dunham is taken into the past where she molests herself.

Lol.

jakoye - what Viidad said, but also:

From what I gather, GoT doesn't merely depict vile stuff. It revels in it. I don't mind sex and violence and nastiness in fiction, they're a part of life, and can be part of a great story.

I'm just not interested in reading books that glorify ugliness. That consistently shit on goodness and kindness and courage as being weak and futile.

Seems to me GRR Martin is the "American Tolkien", if Tolkien wrote his hobbits as being pathetic losers and fapped all over his typewriter while writing about the rape of Rosie Cotton.

Carl - The cover should have David Gerrold and Samuel "Packet of Sweets" Delany.

"Chip is one of the authors who sets the standard for the rest of us, and his is the standard I most aspire to reach." - David Gerrold

Groot - Precisely!

Blogger Mark Citadel August 27, 2015 9:46 AM  

What an odious fool.

Blogger Banjo August 27, 2015 10:33 AM  

@76 Ninja Steve: I'm not clicking it. Not this time. No sirree bub. Not gonna do it.

...

No, must resist...

...

My eyes! Dammit!

Blogger Tim_W_Burke August 27, 2015 4:29 PM  

@74
Thanks Scivo, and I can see that usefulness.
But I'm still foggy here. I thought the slate was about superior ability despite political philosophy.
I understand the whole mess with Tor. The bias and gaming there is obvious and must be called out. I remember and understand the SJW sticking.
I don't remember Dozois or the others being discussed as being biased for message over story.
Are they? Did they?

Blogger Stephen St. Onge August 27, 2015 7:58 PM  

When GRRM wrote his first blog post about the puppy slate, I posted a comment about the stories I'd been hearing of his truefen gratuitously insulting and even assaulting people whose politics they don't like. He was shocked! How could I believe this stuff?

Go talk to L. Jagi Lamplighter, RR, and let her explain.

Blogger The Overgrown Hobbit August 28, 2015 1:15 AM  

Say what you will, GOT is a fantasy masterpiece that will last for generations. Much as I like vox day, nothing he's written or done will be remembered ten years after his death.

Then you have not read City Beyond Time, a collection written by JCW and edited by Vox Day such that the whole is greater than the sum of its parts.

I've read it three times now and good luck finding a novel that's both as experimental (a-chronous plotting) while at the same time so deeply rooted in SF's literary traditions. This is the book that cements JCW as the next Cordwainer Smith / Jack Vance.

And if PNH deserves multiple rockets for merely having the prescient brilliance to shepherd various novels along to win Hugos, VD deserves them for this masterpiece.

Blogger Nohbody August 28, 2015 1:39 AM  

Russel(106): Did GRRM have the exact number of hood ornaments ready to go? If he did, then the results were leaked well before hand. This smacks of collusion and fraud.

If what I've heard of one of the pre-awards skits is true, there may have been earlier leaking than that.

One of the skits, again from 2nd hand information (I'm on the other side of the country, and plunking down $200 plus transcontinental airline travel hassles was definitely not a good use of my limited resources, especially with Worldcon as a destination), had someone dressed as Pratchett's DEATH coming to collect the Puppies, while leaving some Redshirts there alone.

You'd almost think that Gerrold and Scalzi knew in advance that they didn't have to worry about pissing off any winners of Puppy-nominated awards...

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