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Monday, August 24, 2015

The Archmorlock's curse

John C. Wright explains why he will not write books for Tor in the future:
I am sad to report that I was mistaken. The Archmorlock himself displayed his courage against the short and girlish figure of my meek and gentle wife.

At the reception just before the Awards Ceremony itself, my lovely and talented wife, who writes for Tor books under her maiden name of L Jagi Lamplighter, and who had been consistently a voice of reason and moderation during the whole silly kerfluffle, approached Mr. Patrick Nielsen Hayden at the party to extent to him the olive branch of peace and reconciliation.

Before she could finish her sentence, however, Mr. Hayden erupted into a swearing and cursing, and he shouted and bellowed at the tiny and cheerful woman I married.

I should mention that during the last few months of the Sad Puppies kerfluffle, I once upon a time accurately described him, Mr. Moshe Feder, and Mrs Irene Gallo of Tor Books as ‘Christ Haters.’ The support of abortion, sodomy, and euthanasia rather unambiguously put a soul into the position of open rebellion against Christian teachings. In addition, any man who bears false witness against his neighbor, delights in poison-tongued gossip, and destroys writing careers of anyone who does not support his politics not only disobeys Christ, but violates the ordinary decency of ordinary men of good will of any faith.

It seems that Mr. Hayden is a Roman Catholic and was so deeply moved to offense by my words that he could not retain a levelheaded and professional demeanor while speaking with my short little wife. He shouted filthy words at her and stormed off. I do not know if there were tears in his eyes.

Before I continue, I should explain to the reader that Mr. Hayden, and no one else, was the driving force behind the corruption of the Hugo Awards in these last fifteen to twenty years.
One thing that Mr. Wright neglected to add: the only reason that the Best Hugo Editor (Long Form) category that was denied to Baen's Toni Weisskopf even exists was so that Mr. Nielsen Hayden could finally win an award after years of whining about his inability to beat Gardner Dozois for Best Professional Editor. Chris M. Barkley claims sole responsibility for the addition of a new category, but even he admits that Patrick Nielsen Hayden was his co-conspirator, publicly campaigned for the new award, and was the chief driving force behind the creation of the new category as well as the completely coincidental first winner of it.
I sought out Patrick Nielsen Hayden’s support for the Editor’s split and brought him into the fold; I needed a prominent editor to co-sponsor the amendment or it would never have been taken seriously by the Business Meeting. He was reluctant to do so at first but eventually, he concluded that a split of the category was the best option available at the time. Until I finally shook his hand at the LACon IV Business Meeting in 2006, I think he had doubts that it would ever pass. And, the very next year, it was he who was the recipient of the very first Long Form Editor Hugo Award. Was this a coincidence? Yes; Patrick Nielsen Hayden did not conspire to win his Hugo Award, he EARNED it from the voters for his superlative work.
Seriously, the man worked to create a new Hugo award just so he could win one. Here is PNH himself in 2006 whining about how he and David Hartwell of Tor never ever get to win a Hugo:
In a post to his own weblog, Scalzi expresses regret that I personally didn’t make the “Best Professional Editor” ballot, despite the fact that I acquired three out of the five Best Novel nominees and personally shepherded two of them to publication. This is generous of John, and I wouldn’t have declined the nomination, but in fact as every book editor in our field knows, while the Best Professional Hugo is regularly awarded to high-profile magazine editors and anthologists, it only goes to book editors if we die. It’s for this reason that there’s a pending proposal to split the editorial award into “long form” and “short form” categories; whether this will be ratified by this year’s Worldcon Business Meeting is anyone’s guess. Personally, I note that David Hartwell has been a finalist for Best Professional Editor 15 times, leaving aside his 17 further nominations for the New York Review of Science Fiction, and that he’s never won a Hugo of any kind. Pretty shabby treatment for an individual who is by any measure one of the best and most influential editors in the eighty-year history of our field. Whether or not the World SF Convention decides to reform the editor award, it’s years past time one went to Hartwell.  
The Best Tor Books Editor award was duly created, and the awards went to: Patrick Nielsen Hayden, David Hartwell, David Hartwell, and Patrick Nielsen Hayden for the first four years before before Hartwell talked PNH into turning down their nominations so Lou Anders of Pyr could have a chance to win. Hartwell, a gentlemanly individual who is John C. Wright's editor at Tor, continued to decline nominations, but PNH has eagerly continued throwing his hat in the ring and likely would have won the award again this year if the Puppies had not prevented him from being nominated a 16th time.

And that is why he was shouting and swearing at Tor author L. Jagi Lamplighter. Patrick Nielsen Hayden is a vain, pompous little freak who is furious that his influence over science fiction has been broken and he's not even being nominated for his own personal award. Here is his very professional comment after the ceremony.

#18 ::: Patrick Nielsen Hayden ::: (view all by) ::: August 23, 2015, 02:55 AM:
I'll have more to say later. Right now TNH and I are at GRRM's Hugo Loser Party and all I have to say is, my, that is some tasty, tasty schadenfreude pie. 

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139 Comments:

Blogger kudzu bob August 24, 2015 5:10 AM  

SJWs wanted science fiction to be more diverse, and by God they got their wish. What they failed to understand is that diverse societies are low trust societies.

What has happened to the SF community is also happening to society as a whole.

Blogger Civis Silas August 24, 2015 5:15 AM  

So I take it the boycott is still in full force?

Blogger JP August 24, 2015 5:16 AM  

This is when it's Alpha to punch a guy in the mouth to defend your wife's honour.

Blogger VD August 24, 2015 5:20 AM  

So I take it the boycott is still in full force?

Absolutely. And if you are VFM, consider that the alert horn has sounded.

Blogger jayb August 24, 2015 5:20 AM  

I should explain to the reader that Mr. Hayden, and no one else, was the driving force behind the corruption of the Hugo Awards in these last fifteen to twenty years.

Oh, come now, JCW. Surely, the Toad of Tor had her tongue in it somewhere?

That which cries 'Thus thou must do, if thou have it;
And that which rather thou dost fear to do
Than wishest should be undone.' Hie thee hither,
That I may pour my spirits in thine ear;
And chastise with the valour of my tongue
All that impedes thee from the golden round,
Which fate and metaphysical aid doth seem
To have thee crown'd withal.

Anonymous Lazybug August 24, 2015 5:22 AM  

The more I learn about the privet lives of sjw infected people, the more glad I am that my parents were sane and strict, mental and spiritual hygiene start at the Home.

Anonymous Mr Hyde August 24, 2015 5:23 AM  

I would have liked to have read the rest of the Sword of Truth series, unfortunately Tor is the publisher... Ah well

Blogger kudzu bob August 24, 2015 5:32 AM  

This is when it's Alpha to punch a guy in the mouth to defend your wife's honour.

That's easy for you to say. A man with a wife and kids to take care of has to think about what would happen to his family if he went to jail or got sued, or more likely both.

Anonymous Steve August 24, 2015 5:35 AM  

Right now TNH and I are at GRRM's Hugo Loser Party and all I have to say is, my, that is some tasty, tasty schadenfreude pie.

The Nielsen-Beetuses should lay off the pies.

Blogger Hylean August 24, 2015 5:36 AM  

The horn has been sounded? Blood and guts, I was hungry and the hugos crater, still smoking... Savaging such tastey enemies will keep us from resting on our laurels!

Anonymous Steve August 24, 2015 5:37 AM  

This is when it's Alpha to punch a guy in the mouth to defend your wife's honour.

Fuck that noise.

Just call Tiny Tim.

Blogger John Wright August 24, 2015 5:45 AM  

"Hartwell, who was until yesterday John C. Wright's editor at Tor...."

Just as a matter of clarification, Mr. Hartwell is still my editor at Tor. All I said was that I will not be sending any new manuscript their way until I am recompensed for this insult.

The manuscripts currently in the pipeline I expect to be edited and sold as per my contractual agreements with Tor.

Blogger Salt August 24, 2015 5:53 AM  

From the comments at JCW's -

Comment by jwm:
Monday, August 24th 2015 at 12:55 am |

This post pushed me over the edge. Just inquired about become a VFM. This puppy just went rabid.


No comment needed.

Blogger VD August 24, 2015 6:07 AM  

Mr. Hartwell is still my editor at Tor.

Corrected, thank you. I have to say, in my personal experience, the contrast between the gentlemanly Mr. Hartwell and the uncivil Mr. Nielsen Hayden is striking.

Blogger Stilicho #0066 August 24, 2015 6:14 AM  

The puppy haters' desperate rush to declare victory is amusing. Vox not only predicted their actions wrt the Hugos, he also predicted their sad victory dance to celebrate... well, I can't tell what they're celebrating... it isn't victory... it can only be a celebration of the puppies not sweeping the awards. Next year Vox, in addition to convincing the sjw's to vote the way you want, can you make them wear green bowlers and start every rant with "they're after me lucky charms"... just for the lulz

Blogger Guitar Man August 24, 2015 6:25 AM  

Ghorn, Box?

Anonymous Lulabelle (68) August 24, 2015 6:26 AM  

Seriously, what is wrong with these people? Can they not even pretend to be civil in polite society?
I see plenty of talk about how liberalism is a disease, I guess SJW-ism is a branch of that same disease.

Blogger Jack Ward August 24, 2015 6:35 AM  

I have a question. In the Hugo ceremony, Gerrod announced that the Sasquan membership this year was north of 11k. The votes counted were just under 6k. What happened to all those thousands of votes? Did that many members not vote? Or, was there massive vote counting fraud?
I ask this remembering how this Sasquan [WorldCon] committee denied JCW one of his Hugo nominations on a technicality that, in the past, with much other entries of much worse credentials was allow to stand.
Seems to me that if that committee can do that they can 'misplace, a lot of votes.

Blogger ScuzzaMan August 24, 2015 6:43 AM  

There are christians and then there are christians. For some it is a statement of principle, for some it is a lie devoid of all meaning except as signifier of tribal affiliation.

Being what he is, I leave it to the reader to deduce for himself in what sense Mr Nielsen Hayden is a Roman Catholic.

"Wherefore by their fruits shall ye know them"

Blogger Jack Ward August 24, 2015 6:49 AM  

Reading the JCW posting linked to above, at his site, I must say that I never, ever want to do something so vile as to get JCW writing critically of me. If that ever happened, I would rejoice in his writing and cringe at the majesty of the rebuke.

Blogger kudzu bob August 24, 2015 6:58 AM  

If that ever happened, I would rejoice in his writing and cringe at the majesty of the rebuke.

Seconded. It calls to mind the time that Nick Mamatas published something about Harlan Ellison that incurred a furious response from that writer. When Mamatas' wife looked at Ellison's outburst, which measured about 9.1 on the Richter scale, she said to her husband, "Hey, this guy can really write!"

Anonymous Steve August 24, 2015 7:00 AM  

John Wright - I'm nearly at the end of SOMEWITHER and have to say...

You bastard!

I was feeling pretty good about my own writing till I started reading your books. I have fist-fights with leprechauns, fat Wiccans getting eaten by a demon they inadvertently summoned, a luxury casino and hotel resort in Hell (where the only movie showing on the TV in each room is "Highlander 2"), and other-type shenanigans.

"LOL!" I declared, "this novel is going to be more epic than that time I nearly won the Fuddruckers Challenge. And this time, I'm not going to be cruelly denied by last-minute intestinal distress!"

My wife rolled her eyes and said "Steve, stop using 'LOL' as if it were a word, it makes you look more stupid than the incident where you lost a heated argument with those children in the supermarket. And stop telling me how awesome your book is going to be and just finish the damn thing!"

"Silence, woman!", I declaimed. "I'm just reading this John C. Wright novel first. It's... research! I'm not procrastinating!"

So I did continue reading SOMEWITHER, and felt like Howard Carter must've felt when he discovered the tomb of Tutankhamun. Or how Marky Mark and the Funky Bunch would've felt if they'd been laying down some tracks in the studio, walked out and bumped into the Traveling Wilburys.

SOMEWITHER is a tremendous achievement of imagination and storytelling. It's engrossing and effortlessly fantastical and wonderfully written.

I hate you.

Please write sequels, so I can hate you some more.

Blogger George August 24, 2015 7:00 AM  

@16

Jack, the difference between the members and the votes also confused me also but historically a large fraction of those eligible to vote for the Hugos have not.

Blogger ZeeWulf August 24, 2015 7:12 AM  

Sad Puppy here, very slowly coming to the idea of becoming a minion...this stuff has been convincing me the only way to stop their creep is your way. Considering I'm a follower of our dark yet beautiful space princess this is a pretty big change for me ideologically. Saturday proved once and for all that the stakes are fully cultural, beyond some silly rocket award.

Anonymous RS August 24, 2015 7:17 AM  

The Nielsen-Beetuses should lay off the pies.

Transhuman and sub-human, indeed.

Anonymous Stg58 / Animal Mother #225 August 24, 2015 7:18 AM  

In a situation such as Mrs. Wright found herself, punching isn't necessary. Just put your face six inches in front of his face (I think most of us would be looking down) and just stare at him. Stare right through him. Thousand yard state is a bonus. If he backs up, step forward. Don't say a word. Just stare.

Blogger John August 24, 2015 7:24 AM  

If that Hayden chap says he's Catholic, well… not to put TOO fine a point on it, but he's doing it wrong.

Maybe it's like Bruce Jenner? He IDENTIFIES as Catholic, but all the evidence says "no"?

Blogger John Wright August 24, 2015 7:38 AM  

I am not a prophet of God that I can read the hearts of men. I assume Mr Hayden is the same kind of Catholic I am: A bad Catholic. All Catholics are bad Catholics, except for the ones who make it to being saints, and even some of them have shady pasts.

So, good heavens, I am not going to judge him. Either he is possessed in the figurative sense with a sick moral and social philosophy at odds with his nominal beliefs, or his he possessed in the literal sense, like Linda Blair in the movies or Tabitha in the Bible. Or both. Praying will do far more good for the poor man than trying to guess his actual degree of personal culpability.

I am just overjoyed that he is part of the same mystical Christian body as I am. That means I can help him, and he can help me, by prayer, by brotherly love. If things go well, we will meet at the bridal feast of the lamb after the world's last day.

Blogger LAZ August 24, 2015 7:42 AM  

"This is when it's Alpha to punch a guy in the mouth to defend your wife's honour."

"That's easy for you to say. A man with a wife and kids to take care of has to think about what would happen to his family if he went to jail or got sued, or more likely both."

Pretty easy to claim he was being threatening to her and appropriate action was taken.

Blogger Sherwood family August 24, 2015 7:44 AM  

If one reads the full account at Mr. Wright's site, he was on the other side of the room and out of earshot when the incident happened. Mr. Wright is a thoroughgoing gentleman as evidenced by his response to this incident.

For my own part, I'd have been heartily inclined to have smashed Mr. Toad -of-Tor over the head with a chair and bludgeoned him senseless. As that would probably have sent me to the hoosegow for a while, Mr. Wright's response is the more sensible one.

Blogger Daniel August 24, 2015 7:46 AM  

Schadenfreude pie is a) non-fattening b) laughter-, not rage-inducing and c) by definition never served at Loser parties.

What the hell was PNH really choking down?

Anonymous Stingray August 24, 2015 7:47 AM  

@15

Can they not even pretend to be civil in polite society?

This society is no longer polite.

Anonymous Anonymous! August 24, 2015 7:48 AM  

It is interesting that there are no other reports of someone erupting and bellowing shouted curses at the reception.

Surely someone else would have noticed.

Knowing PNH and JCW, what I suspect happened was something rude might have been calmly uttered, and JCW has fictionalized the event.
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Blogger Salt August 24, 2015 7:54 AM  

Knowing PNH and JCW

You know them? I find that rather dubious.

Blogger Student in Blue August 24, 2015 7:55 AM  

These last few days has me feeling like that meme "/pol/ was right again!"

Except it's "Vox was right again!"

Blogger Michael Maier August 24, 2015 8:02 AM  

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Blogger Michael Maier August 24, 2015 8:04 AM  

And this is exactly why you do not apologize to cunts.

I was reminded of this last week where I tried to extend an olive branch of my own and had the bitch to whom it was offered go on a rant about my behavior, which I'd already acknowledged was less than kind..

Graceless, ugly creatures...

AWCA antics will abound now, I think.

Anonymous Stg58 / Animal Mother #225 August 24, 2015 8:06 AM  

Salt, it's a good thing Anonymous put an exclamation point after "Anonymous". Hopefully it will be enough for you to avoid punishment.

Anonymous Steve August 24, 2015 8:08 AM  

Hopefully it will be enough for you to avoid punishment.

Wound the Salt!

Anonymous Stg58 / Animal Mother #225 August 24, 2015 8:10 AM  

Or not, I'm fine either way.

Anonymous Whitey McWhite August 24, 2015 8:15 AM  

@15. Lulabelle (68): "Seriously, what is wrong with these people? Can they not even pretend to be civil in polite society?"

Their programming is nasty, which leads to self-hate reflected in lack of self-care and active self-abuse, and which leads to other-hate that has to be tightly focused against what political correctness deems "acceptable targets". Civility is an ordeal for them; vile abuse is a release of tension. Any society that tolerates them ceases to be polite.

Blogger Daniel August 24, 2015 8:22 AM  

Ah! So he sees receiving no award as "shabby treatment."

Blogger Kallmunz August 24, 2015 8:23 AM  

Wow! Little Patrick is quite the crybaby. It all works for the good, I suppose I shouldn't be amused at little boys pain, but I can't help it!

Blogger Student in Blue August 24, 2015 8:26 AM  

Their programming is nasty

It's not even that their programming is even particularly nasty, but that they have to constantly construct a false reality in order to maintain their programming/narrative - and that puts a lot of psychological pressure and tension on them. Deep down, they know there's something wrong, and they hate themselves for it.

Anonymous smedley butler August 24, 2015 8:27 AM  

"It seems that Mr. Hayden is a Roman Catholic"

Some of the worst enemies of Christ and Holy Mother Church are Catholics.

Anonymous G.Veil August 24, 2015 8:28 AM  

A man who is at a bare minimum a professional colleague of Mrs. Wright chose to make a rude comment to a woman politely offering a conciliatory olive branch. Yeah... that speaks to the kind of professionalism and courtesy we've come to expect from PNH and they wonder why we want him and all his cronies out from Tor.

I couldn't care less about much of this, I buy what I like to read and pay little attention to the rest of it. After the way I've been treated though and people I respect have been treated I'll be happy to help in any way of purging these people from Sci-fi and beyond. Not because I care what they write about, or what empty awards they give themselves, but because they couldn't leave me and mine alone.

Anonymous smedley butler August 24, 2015 8:30 AM  

"This is when it's Alpha to punch a guy in the mouth to defend your wife's honour."

Nah, just laugh and say real loud "keep running you fucking pussy!"

Blogger Cail Corishev August 24, 2015 8:35 AM  

Can they not even pretend to be civil in polite society?

That's the problem. They were pretending all along. Now they think they don't have to anymore.

Blogger ScuzzaMan August 24, 2015 8:37 AM  

@Mr Wright:
Your stance is sdmirably benevolent, sir, but doubly contradictory.

First, I quoted the words of our Lord himself and as I always remind christians, if we will so designate ourselves we must perforce deal with the words of Christ himself. The word "know" he uses has a significant bjblical pedigree. As in "Adam KNEW Eve, and she bear a son". It speaks to a knowledge of some depth and certainty, not mere suspicion.

Secondly, you cannot pity a man without judging him pitiable, or else yourself senseless. Mr Nielsen Hayden added precipitously to his own burden in assaulting an innocent envoy of peace. That is reason enough to pity him.

None of us who wear the name of our Lord are worthy of it, true. This need not blind us to the fact that some make no attempt to be. I claim no knowledge of the man's character or destiny beyond the public record of his actions - except to note that character IS destiny.

As ever, my respects to you, sir.

Blogger ZeeWulf August 24, 2015 8:37 AM  

JCW, that is the most grace-filled response I've seen in this whole thing. I do pray your prayers are realized.

Now, how do I go about this minioning thing?

Blogger James Dixon August 24, 2015 8:47 AM  

> This is when it's Alpha to punch a guy in the mouth to defend your wife's honour.

In more civilized times, Patrick would be facing John across drawn pistols. And I think we can guess how that would end.

Now, from John's article:

> We must certainly pray for this poor, sad little man and all the damage he has done to the esteem of our genre, the people he has hurt, and the careers his malice has ruined.

Wherein John proves himself a better Christian than I am. Christ calls on us to do so. But I am a weak and poor Christian in that regard, and my heart cannot bring itself to follow his commandment. Well, he knows my weaknesses. I can only ask for forgiveness, patience, and guidance on his part.

Anonymous smedley butler August 24, 2015 8:48 AM  

" Patrick Nielsen Hayden is a vain, pompous little freak who is furious that his influence over science fiction has been broken and he's not even being nominated for his own personal award."

This a theme lately with all sorts of people like Cuckservatives.

Blogger James Sullivan August 24, 2015 9:09 AM  

Doubtlessly, the Wrights have too much class and grace to do so, but it would have been an excellent occasion to hold an SJW to the same standard they would have held us:

Report him to the convention organizers as a hostile and threatening presence, particularly toward women.

Make them live up to their own standards or report them.

Blogger El Borak August 24, 2015 9:12 AM  

Hitler discovers that the SJWs are doing VD's Bidding.

Anonymous That Would Be Telling August 24, 2015 9:21 AM  

Right now TNH and I are at GRRM's Hugo Loser Party and all I have to say is, my, that is some tasty, tasty schadenfreude pie.

Evidently Rape Rape, currently of high stature due to the HBO series, gave alternate awards, albeit less high flying (they have wings).

Anonymous Steve August 24, 2015 9:29 AM  

ZeeWulf - Now, how do I go about this minioning thing?

There are two methods.

METHOD ONE - This involves a mirror, a ritual dagger carved out of ebony, a black candle, a Castalia House imprint, and - out of respect for Vox's ancestry - a casino chip and a taco.

1) Face the mirror.
2) Light the candle and chant "Romanes eunt domus" thirteen times.
3) Prick your finger and snuff out the candle with your bloodied digit.
4) Vox will appear in the mirror. Assure him you are not a telemarketer and offer him the taco and casino chip as a gesture of fealty.
5) He will berate you for your stupidity in thinking you can send Mexican snack food and gambling tokens via an enchanted looking glass. Temper his wrath by cowering behind the Castalia House book.
6) Malwyn will then appear behind you in a puff of purple smoke and brand your buttocks with your unique VFM identifier. DO NOT FLIRT WITH HER.
7) Congratulations! You are now a vile, faceless minion.

METHOD TWO - you could alternately email Vox with "minion" in the subject line, but that's for poofs.

Blogger Cataline Sergius August 24, 2015 9:33 AM  

I am not a prophet of God that I can read the hearts of men. I assume Mr Hayden is the same kind of Catholic I am: A bad Catholic. All Catholics are bad Catholics, except for the ones who make it to being saints, and even some of them have shady pasts.

PNH, is a catholic who married a Mormon and took her last name. Although I have to give the Mormons credit they tossed Toadina out on her blubbery ear.

Blogger Sherwood family August 24, 2015 9:41 AM  

The Toad conforms to a standard narrative for most ex-mormons I have known: convinced of their own superior knowledge they turn their back on the good habits they learned in their youth and become jaded, disdainful, and bitter without realizing that their new found freedom from God (most of them become atheistic, though not all) has produced mere license or libertinism rather than liberty.

Blogger Tommy Hass August 24, 2015 9:45 AM  

There is a forums out there that would refer to JCW as a "goon" because he wears fedoras and likes nerdy stuff, even though his opinions are almost a wet dream for them. True story.

Blogger Cataline Sergius August 24, 2015 9:49 AM  

" that is some tasty, tasty schadenfreude pie"

That is some golden word smithing there Patrick. No wonder you let the phrase "I owe you a blowjob" go to press unmolested.

This little incident has made something quite clear to me

The Evil Legion of Evil has been ignoring the fountainhead, while we pointlessly attack the fountain.

PNH is the real problem here. Scalzi is such a malignant little drama queen and so fun to bait that he became a decoy for us.

While we have been playing, "Do you love me, Reek?" with Scalzi. Patrick Nielson Hayden has been sailing on, largely unmolested.

PNH's leadership of literary Science Fiction is comparable to leading the Donner Party through the middle of the Wolf Forrest blindfolded. But he has been doing it because...Well there is the question, why has he been able to do it?

Anonymous Achilles August 24, 2015 9:57 AM  

As a Catholic I admire Mr. Wright's compassion and fraternal spirit. However, if Christianity is going to survive then the weeds need to be plucked from the garden. Deus vult!

Anonymous Jack Amok August 24, 2015 10:26 AM  

That's the problem. They were pretending all along. Now they think they don't have to anymore.

Barbarians only behave themselves when they fear consequences.

Blogger David-093 August 24, 2015 10:29 AM  

@El Borak

That was fucking hilarious.

If Gamergate gets involved it'll be the end of the Hugo's forever. They'd love an excuse to burn down an sjw habitat, just for the fun of it.

Anonymous Forrest Bishop VFM #0167 August 24, 2015 10:32 AM  

1) If Mr. Wright's account is in error then we will expect to see a rebuttal from PNH.

2) Other topic- there are quite a few statements of conversions scattered across the blog comments the past couple days-

Sad to Rabid
Sad tending toward Rabid, e.g. Hoyt (?)
Neutral straight over to Rabid
Ilk to VFM
Rabid to VFM

These are important victories. Perhaps there are conversions going the other way? Anybody seen any such?


3) Sure, the coffers of Worldcon were enriched by US$40 x ~5000 = ~$200,000, from both sides. But the coffers of the SJWs were simultaneously depleted by a comparable amount in addition to the sums spent on traveling to Worldcon to help burn it down. Say 3000 SJWs spent on average:

$500 air + ground transportation
$500 hotel
$280 food (is this too low?)
$200 misc
+ $220 con fee
____________
$1500 Total/SJW

3000SJW * $1500/SJW = US$4,500,000






Blogger Allan Davis August 24, 2015 10:33 AM  

David-093, I very much doubt it's a matter of "if" Gamergate gets involved...

-=ad=-

Blogger Tom Kratman August 24, 2015 10:33 AM  

This sort of thing is always a tough moral question. Is it, after all, better to endure the insult to one's woman, in the interests of one aspect of Christianity, or to support and advance a different aspect of Christianity by helping bring about a more civil world, by beating the perpetrator to a pulp, gouging his eyes out, kicking his balls often enough and hard enough to give him a second and third Adam's apple, elevating his feet to a raised horizontal surface and jumping on his knees until they break, kicking his kidneys to a pulp, then kicking him in the spine until it severs.

I'm just not sure where the best, most moral, most Christian course lies. Still, my instincts tell me that Christ would approve of starting with a beating...

Blogger Chiva August 24, 2015 10:37 AM  

I do admire your style Mr Kratman.

Blogger Allan Davis August 24, 2015 10:40 AM  

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Blogger John Wright August 24, 2015 10:44 AM  

"For my own part, I'd have been heartily inclined to have smashed Mr. Toad -of-Tor over the head with a chair and bludgeoned him senseless. As that would probably have sent me to the hoosegow for a while, Mr. Wright's response is the more sensible one. "

You mean Mrs Wright's response. She did not tell me of the incident until Mr Hayden was out of the room and out of range.

Besides, I did not have my swordstick with me.

Blogger Salt August 24, 2015 10:49 AM  

Besides, I did not have my swordstick with me.

The pen is mightier than the sword; you go straight for the jugular, impaling deep into the neck.

Blogger David-093 August 24, 2015 10:53 AM  

@Tom

It's a tough call. On the whole I'd say it's better to be safe than sorry and just start off with a beating. There's danger in letting these cretins think they can get away with everything.

Blogger John Wright August 24, 2015 10:53 AM  

"Knowing PNH and JCW, what I suspect happened was something rude might have been calmly uttered, and JCW has fictionalized the event. "

So says someone who obviously does not know the first thing about me.

Come now, if you know me so well, name for me a single lie I have ever told in my life about anything, great or small, for any reason, or under any provocation.

Come now, can you not name one? What about the time I cheated on my income tax? Except I have never done such a thing. Or lied to my wife when I was spending an evening out with the boys? Except I have never done such a thing. Or lied to my boss about being sick when I merely wanted some time off? Except that I have never done such a thing.

Name one time, or else please admit that your jeering speculations about my honesty have absolutely no roots in reality.

Anonymous Forrest Bishop VFM #0167 August 24, 2015 10:54 AM  

@62. Forrest Bishop VFM #0167

Errata- tossed in misc after summing. Total is US$1700/sjw. Form error on units. Bunch of spaces at the end, sorry.

3000SJW * $1500/SJW = US$4,500,000 should be

3000sjw * $1700/sjw = US$5,100,000

Say $5 million blown out of the SJW war chest. Compare to maybe

1000pup * $50/pup = US$50,000

A force multiplier of 100:1

Blogger David-093 August 24, 2015 10:54 AM  

@John Wright

"Besides, I did not have my swordstick with me."

Where by chance did you buy yours, if you don't mind me asking? I have one from Cold Steel that's very well made, but being as I'm not even 30 yet I have little reason to carry it.

Blogger GK Chesterton August 24, 2015 10:55 AM  

Well, despite _being_ here I did not go. After a couple of days of driving Lake Coeur d'Alene (even with the smoke) was nicer than Spokane.

But I would like to offer a defense for the Goblin Emperor which I've seen savaged more than its due here. It was an oddly pro-patriarch book. When the lead character doesn't act the part of his country's patriarch he tends to wind up on the bad end of an assassination attempt. He is also, till I think the SJW author noticed the problem, defended by staunchly pro-patriarchal forces. And there is plenty of magic it just exists mostly in the background. I also like "Falls" last year and I think this was an actual fantasy book where "Falls" wasn't.

Second, Mr. Wright, if you happen to be in the area and trip over to Beverly's in Coeur d'Alene, I'll be there with my family around 6PM. I'll pick up at least one drink if you show. And while we aren't Catholic, we are a near miss with Orthodox so we can talk about some future unification or something.

http://www.beverlyscda.com

Blogger Mr.MantraMan August 24, 2015 10:56 AM  

#42 well said. I would add they run on the illusions of moral superiority and its emotional high once that is punctured it is rage all the way down.

At Kuntsler's Clusterfuck Nation blog he explicitly is calling for the next Arthur Bremer to shoot Trump, and his little emotional wreck white lib followers are right there praying to their blood god for Trump to get the Wallace treatment.

I hope Zerohedge runs Kuntsler's piece today it needs a little national and world exposure.

Blogger Morgan Holmes August 24, 2015 11:09 AM  

John O'Neill at Blackgate did a tasteless victory dance yesterday.

Blogger John Wright August 24, 2015 11:13 AM  

"Some of the worst enemies of Christ and Holy Mother Church are Catholics."

Amen to that.

"This sort of thing is always a tough moral question."

The Catholic response is to forgive, turn the other cheek, turn the perp over to the secular arm after a formal hearing with the Church invigilator and provost, have him burned alive at the stake over a slow fire while he begs for the flames to be pushed nearer to him that he might die faster, laugh at his pain as he begs, and then after fourth degree burns cover the body, and he faints, to bury the still warm body in the crossroads outside town, bury his severed right hand elsewhere, and go to confession about the laughing at his pain thing, confess about impure thoughts last week and eating a burger on Friday, and say three Paternosters.

A Protestant would just shoot the bastard in the eye with a revolver, making an exit wound from the rear of the skull the size of a grapefruit, and then go to a nice, freshly-painted church where everyone is able to recite the Bible backward and forward, and eat a burger on Friday without any worry.

A Mormon would merely rip out the perp's throat with a Indonesian death-grip technique he learned as an Eagle Scout earning his Mixed-Martian Arts merit badge, and then go door to door on a bicycle, doing good deeds and saving lost souls.

There are clear advantages to these younger denomination.

Blogger automatthew August 24, 2015 11:15 AM  

Jehovah's Witnesses would asphyxiate him with copies of Watchtower.

Blogger John Wright August 24, 2015 11:18 AM  

"Where by chance did you buy yours, if you don't mind me asking?"

I don't mind, but it was a Chinese firm which is no longer in business called Damascus Steel. I would have bought one from Cold Steel, but they did not have a look I liked.

Anonymous Bz August 24, 2015 11:19 AM  

So, I assume Tor and MacMillan still don't enforce any sort of code of conduct.

I'd love to have a WSJ journalist call Tor to ask whether they are manipulating the Hugo awards. (Disregarding the strange Hugo bonanza of previous years, what else is the latest changing of the rules?)

Blogger J August 24, 2015 11:19 AM  

This is disgusting. I will be stopping by Mr and Mrs Wright's donation box sometime soon.

And I'm sorry, but I have to rant about a truly vile SJW action.

My wife and I just discovered Apple's 'free' Songs of Innocence on our iPhones. Other than being a gross intrusion of our privacy, the cover art is, to put it mildly, *very* disturbing. Surely even those inclined to support the homosexual movement should be queasy at an image of a much older, grizzled man leaning his head against the crotch of a teenage boy?

To make matters worse, it was our 1 year old son who discovered the album on my wife's phone while playing around with it.

What's more, Apple has made it SO HARD to remove the album. It was only after some internet searching that I discovered that Apple had created a special page just for removing the album. A page where I have to jump through the hoop of entering my Apple ID and password. Why can't I just remove the album from inside the app? Why do I have to go through all this trouble to remove material that I find family *un*-friendly and highly offensive?

Tim Cook, you have lost my business. The next phone I'm buying (and it will be soon), will NOT be an Apple phone, and neither will any of my future computing devices bear your company's logo.

Rant over. Thanks for listening.

*Update*: We have decided to switch phones ASAP, but budgeting is a concern. Does anyone know where to get a good deal on a trade in?

Anonymous Duke of URL VFM#391 August 24, 2015 11:20 AM  

@4 VD
Very good - I shall continue my no-Tor-buying policy.

Anonymous Scintan August 24, 2015 11:24 AM  

John O'Neill at Blackgate did a tasteless victory dance yesterday.

O'Neill showed his colors a while back.

Blogger Feather Blade August 24, 2015 11:32 AM  

@72 I have one from Cold Steel that's very well made, but being as I'm not even 30 yet I have little reason to carry it.

For style, man! Just as wanting to wear a pretty hat is sufficient reason for a woman to do so, regardless of the prevailing fashion, that you want to carry a cane is reason enough to do so.

Blogger Jack Ward August 24, 2015 11:33 AM  

@J 82
J you could do much worse than a Blackbury. A few more bucks but light years ahead of everything else. This last according to Karl Dinninger. Go to his Market ticker site and hit the archives. He has followed Blackbury for some time now [note that he is long in Blackbury stock.,..with good reason]
I don't need or use that level of phone, but, if I did it would be a blackbury.

Blogger Elocutioner #0226 August 24, 2015 11:38 AM  

Kratman, JCW, and Steve dropping some hilarious comments today. Thank you, gentlemen.

And I'll be contemplating my next batch of letters to Macmillan this evening after this latest outrageous behavior.

Anonymous FriarBob August 24, 2015 11:39 AM  

@J. I personally use Sprint and like them a lot. They will even buy out a contract in many cases. Some of my friends use Ting, I've heard good things about them but never felt a serious need to check them out.

Blogger Jack Ward August 24, 2015 11:39 AM  

@David but being as I'm not even 30 yet I have little reason to carry it.

Just carry it and pretend to limp if you see any of the constabulary. I've been planning to get one but have to save up the money. And, I'm old enough to not even pretend to limp

Blogger GK Chesterton August 24, 2015 11:42 AM  

"Jehovah's Witnesses would asphyxiate him with copies of Watchtower."

Unlikely. Having grown up as one I think you underestimate their willingness to marty themselves. School fights were largely out for me as a child unless direct violence was applied by the other party first and even then I was supposed to think about how it would reflect on the faith.

Blogger Danby August 24, 2015 11:48 AM  

The proper literary response is, of course, to create a vastly disgusting parody of Mr. Nielsen in one's next book at Tor. Make him a talentless, dishonest, narcissistic, self-important toady who plays at being respectable while financially supporting the Moloch cult temple behind the scenes. Then exaggerate the character.

Anonymous The other robot August 24, 2015 11:53 AM  

OT: SJW's always lie?

No coincidence: US leads world in gun ownership and mass shootings

Blogger James Dixon August 24, 2015 11:54 AM  

> *Update*: We have decided to switch phones ASAP, but budgeting is a concern.

Your carrier should have low end Android phones for less than a dollar with a two year contract. AT&T currently offers the Samsung Galaxy Note 4, LG G Vista, LG G3 Vigor, and the Motorola Moto G as free phones with a two year contract.

My wife and I have been happy with our phones from Consumer Cellular, but they're not a good deal for high end users. I got my Samsung Galaxy Relay 4 from them for $100. They don't offer that model any more, but they have the Huawei Vision 2 for $80, Motorola Moto E LTE for $100, the Motorola Moto G for $90, the Motorola Moto G EXT for $150; all without a long term contract.

Blogger Jack Ward August 24, 2015 11:57 AM  

@54 Borak That was wonderful. Had to read rapidly here and there but worth it. The Hitler parody's are one of the greatest gutter art forms of this generation. I wonder who invented the idea?

Blogger GK Chesterton August 24, 2015 12:03 PM  

@J,

To my knowledge that's the drummer and his son. So yeah...innocent. Though it does speak volumes about our generation being so messed up that Apple did tie the release in with an evil moment in history and that we couldn't see hugging.

Blogger Cataline Sergius August 24, 2015 12:04 PM  

John O'Neill at Blackgate did a tasteless victory dance yesterday.

The victory parade is pretty standard for them. It's the only way to convince themselves they won anything.

It's supposed to serve the double purpose of driving us into exile.

Yeah, yeah I know how funny that is. But they are totally serious about it.

Why do they believe it would work? Because they know it would work on them.

It's pure projection on their part. They know in their hearts they would never show up again. It's why Sad Puppies III was such a shock to them.

They did their victory dance last year at this time and it only got them more puppies this year.

Evil Rabid Puppies.

Blogger J August 24, 2015 12:07 PM  

@James Dixon, @FriarBob, @Jack Ward

Thanks gents, I'll look into your suggestions.

Blogger J August 24, 2015 12:11 PM  

@Chesterton,

I'm Asian, but correct me if I say that face-near-crotch poses are quite suggestive in most cultures?

Blogger Cataline Sergius August 24, 2015 12:15 PM  

At this point I look upon the Hugo as an anti-award. If I were nominated and won, I'd wonder what the hell I'd done wrong.
-- John Ringo

Blogger GK Chesterton August 24, 2015 12:19 PM  

@J,

I think U2's point is that it _shouldn't_. I can agree with that even if I disagree with their blithe assertion that it is possible in this age.

@Cataline,

"It's pure projection on their part. They know in their hearts they would never show up again. It's why Sad Puppies III was such a shock to them.

They did their victory dance last year at this time and it only got them more puppies this year.

Evil Rabid Puppies."

There were those, amongst them myself, hoping it would end this year. That they would do the right thing and just vote instead of nuking the award. But so be it, award nuked. I will vote next year, enjoy what I can out of the packet and then vote "No Award" down the line (which I believe is the general plan not being privy to the Secret Council of Doom that the ELoE in conjunction with the brain storm will hold). I find that tedious but they essentially begged for it.

And did anyone listen to the business meeting? Did they really vote in the easiest way ever to vote No Award for a dedicated group?

If someone doesn't know a category and votes "No Award" that's +5 votes when compared to the current system.

Blogger Cataline Sergius August 24, 2015 12:21 PM  

@Vox Day

We have a formal request from John Ringo not to nominate him for next year's Hugos.

He now regards a Hugo nomination as severely brand damaging.

I can't say he's wrong.

Anonymous G.R.R.M. August 24, 2015 12:32 PM  

@22 Steve-is going to be more epic than that time I nearly won the Fuddruckers Challenge

Being a good sport I will tell you my secrete for the Fuddruckers Challenge. You want to be in a city with at least 5 Fuddruckers in it so that you can win the challenges for breakfast, brunch, lunch, 2nd lunch & dinner. Winning more than one Challenge in the same store on the same day can lead to unpleasantries, especially if you have raped the fixin's bar.

Blogger Mike Farnsworth August 24, 2015 12:33 PM  

@78 A Mormon would merely rip out the perp's throat with a Indonesian death-grip technique he learned as an Eagle Scout earning his Mixed-Martian Arts merit badge, and then go door to door on a bicycle, doing good deeds and saving lost souls.

Aye, a man who understands us! Actually, for my family it would be Krav Maga, because military hand-to-hand combat techniques, while not as pretty, are nice and...focused.

The story goes that a successful LDS boxer moved into a home, and a while later was out working in his yard when a neighbor said, "say, you fellas believe in baptism by immersion right?" and then turned his garden hose on the boxer. He leapt over the fence towards him while yelling "we also believe in the laying on of hands!"

I wish I had a bicycle on my mission, by the way. I had to walk. A lot.

Blogger Josh August 24, 2015 12:34 PM  

My wife and I just discovered Apple's 'free' Songs of Innocence on our iPhones. Other than being a gross intrusion of our privacy, the cover art is, to put it mildly, *very* disturbing. Surely even those inclined to support the homosexual movement should be queasy at an image of a much older, grizzled man leaning his head against the crotch of a teenage boy?

Dude. It's freaking U2. Chill the hell out.

Blogger J August 24, 2015 12:39 PM  

@Chesterton

I see, though I must disagree. I see little reason in trying to desexualise a pose that is, because of human anatomy and our nature as sexual beings, indicative of eroticism. It would be like trying to uneroticise a gentle butt grab by promoting it as a non-sexual, innocent means of greeting another person. Sure, I guess you could train people to do it, but why, and what for?

Blogger Danby August 24, 2015 12:43 PM  

@101
I am of the opinion that we should nominate their very favorite works.
Then burn them to the ground.

Or nominate absolute dreck of the Raped My My Roomba or My Alien Lover Amazon clickbait trash style.
Then burn it to the ground.

Or maybe just burn a couple of SJWs, pour encourager les autres.
To the ground.

I followed orders, and obviously I'm glad I did. the comic stylings of the Fork And Toaster Brigade have been incredible. but now I'm stone cold and I want fire.

Blogger Mike Farnsworth August 24, 2015 12:54 PM  

For Mr. and Mrs. Wright's trouble, I just purchased five of Mr. Wright's e-books on Castalia House. May others do likewise.

Blogger Alexander August 24, 2015 12:54 PM  

I want to nominate black ghetto-romances that filled up 99% of the 'black literature' section when Borders was a thing, and was the goto section for 99% of the black women who came in the store. I am curious what language will be employed to condemn a slate made up of nothing but books that black women actually buy.

That's assuming of course there is no way to get Ben Bernanke's biography nominated for best fiction. And I'm still partial to a telephone book, a plumbing manual, and a farsi-english dictionary making the short list.

Blogger Shimshon August 24, 2015 1:04 PM  

@86 I second Blackberry. I also bought based on Denninger's commentary.

The Z10 is cheap, and even though from 2012, supports most features people would want today, including 4G and NFC, and 11a Wi-Fi. It does not support USB-OTG, but that's just about the only feature I miss.

It takes a bit of effort to set up to run most (not all) Android apps, even some that say they need Google Play services (eg Google Maps runs pretty well), but once set up (using the BB Snap app), adding them is pretty easy.

BB also has committed, to the best of my knowledge, to support the Z10 for some time, something that no other maker does.

And if you are truly concerned about security, it's the only phone OS that has never been (publicly) cracked, among other things.

Lack of ad blocker support is a pain, but a minor one.

Anonymous aviendha August 24, 2015 1:06 PM  

John C Wright was at Sasquan. Darnit! If I read his blog I might have known that. I woulda brought a ton of his books to get signed...

Anonymous BigGaySteve August 24, 2015 1:18 PM  

Sasquan membership this year was north of 11k. The votes counted were just under 6k...Did that many members not vote? Or, was there massive vote counting fraud?
Maybe you should check the party confetti to see if there are any names on it. It is suspicious that despite the surge only 1/2 voted.

historically a large fraction of those eligible to vote for the Hugos have not.

But they have never had so many, the main reason for new members would have been to vote, unless they gave out "scholarship" memberships to illiterate homeless people who forgot to vote.

Rape Rape, ... gave alternate awards, albeit less high flying (they have wings)
For the best work written by an obese black lesbian midget....

, but being as I'm not even 30 yet I have little reason to carry it.

You could always say you have a leg injury from being attacked by a pack of blacks

I'm Asian, but correct me if I say that face-near-crotch poses are quite suggestive in most cultures?

Even I don't hug my friends that way.

I want to nominate black ghetto-romances that filled up 99% of the 'black literature' section

SJWs don't think that a hard working smart black man is sci fi.

Blogger GK Chesterton August 24, 2015 1:26 PM  

@J,

I'm sorry I'll have to disagree. First, as Josh points out, "Its U2!". U2 is famously pro-Christian (of the honest lefty Catholic variety). It is also a play on previous album covers. The problem isn't the shot it is us. I should be able to hug a random chick like that in a perfect world and be fine. I can't and therefore as a Christian won't.

Anonymous patrick kelly August 24, 2015 1:29 PM  

@28 John Wright "If things go well, we will meet at the bridal feast of the lamb after the world's last day."
Indeed, the great Christian mission statement if I ever read one.

Blogger Josh August 24, 2015 1:44 PM  

I see, though I must disagree. I see little reason in trying to desexualise a pose that is, because of human anatomy and our nature as sexual beings, indicative of eroticism. It would be like trying to uneroticise a gentle butt grab by promoting it as a non-sexual, innocent means of greeting another person. Sure, I guess you could train people to do it, but why, and what for?

Congratulations, you've bought into the same line of thinking as the SJWs who claim that David and Jonathan were homosexual lovers, along with Sam and Frodo and any number of other prominent male friendships.

Can we "uneroticize" St Peter's instruction for Christians to greet each other with a holy kiss?

Blogger Dexter August 24, 2015 1:49 PM  

Beating, schmeating. Fun to think about but the SJWs would be sure to use that as an excuse to exclude anyone who smells of puppy next time.

The way to go is to black-knight it:

Before every convention she attends, L Jagi Lamplighter should formally tell the convention management that the presence of Tor employees frightens her. They make her feel unsafe... they harassed her... and therefore they should be excluded.

Blogger doofus August 24, 2015 1:58 PM  

A Mormon would merely rip out the perp's throat with a Indonesian death-grip technique he learned as an Eagle Scout earning his Mixed-Martian Arts merit badge, and then go door to door on a bicycle, doing good deeds and saving lost souls.

John, I resent the implications in your statement that we are a bunch of backwards hicks who would have to rely on muscle power to dispose of a cockroach like that. You forget that John Browning was a Mormon, and the unofficial sidearm of the Mormon church is the Colt .45. We are perfectly capable of shooting the bastard, the only reason to beat him to death with the MMA stuff is that .45 ACP ammo is EXPENSIVE these days.

Anonymous Mr. Rational August 24, 2015 2:29 PM  

@56 All I have available is tortillas and a copy of "Casino Royale", so I made a cheese and bean tostada and set up shop in the guest bathroom (which has a mirror and is clean).  All I have now is a bathroom smelling of smoke, blood in the sink, a burned finger and a cold tostada.  No minionhood for me, I guess.  I'm not a very good follower anyway.

Since SP/RP have demonstrated the ability to be kingmakers, this suggests a strategy of nominating ONE (perhaps two, to provide backup) non-SJW-approved selections per category and then not dividing the vote.  Voting "No Award" for second place allows the SJWs to burn things down if they please, while freezing out the message-fiction.

And @100 GKC, would you please use @<commentnumber> so we get a link we can click to see the original?  The feature's useless if you use it wrong.

Blogger GK Chesterton August 24, 2015 2:39 PM  

Let the women pray before the fight. We will pray afterwards.

Anonymous Forrest Bishop VFM #0167 August 24, 2015 2:40 PM  

@112. GK Chesterton
I'm sorry I'll have to disagree. First, as Josh points out, "Its U2!". U2 is famously pro-Christian (of the honest lefty Catholic variety).

Is Cuckchristian a word? Or does charity begin somewhere else, like at Davos?

Anonymous Bah August 24, 2015 2:48 PM  

Pray for your enemies, but not before they are hanged.

Blogger Josh August 24, 2015 2:50 PM  

Is Cuckchristian a word? Or does charity begin somewhere else, like at Davos?

Shut up retard

Anonymous Boogeyman VFM #240 August 24, 2015 2:52 PM  

This Makes Me Mad.

Very Mad.

I applaud Mr Wright for his calm reserve. He will of course answer the insult with his pen which he wields like a sword. I have to admit that my response would be much more direct. My family have never had a problem answering insults in a more ... physical way.

How physical? Let me put it this way, at one point my little sister once stuffed a guy a car trunk at gun point and then drove around town for most of the day because he owed her money. My younger brother once picked up a guy who smacked his sister-in-law and shoved him against one of those little coat hooks you screw into the wall. Actually hung there for a second until the screw pulled out of the wall.

You'll probably spend the week-end in the klink for a first time assault and battery charge, But the sweet sweet memory will last a lifetime. Mr. Wright, my sister gets out of federal prison the day before Thanksgiving. If you want I can have her teach your dear wife a few moves to deal with the next insult.

Blogger rycamor August 24, 2015 2:53 PM  

Not being up on the current music scene, I had to go and find out what on earth J was complaining about on "Songs of Innocence". From wikipedia: "Physical copies of the album feature different packaging with a cover image of drummer Larry Mullen, Jr. protectively embracing his 18-year-old son, Elvis, while both are shirtless." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Songs_of_Innocence_%28U2_album%29#Packaging_and_title

Dude, get a grip. The first thing I thought of when I saw the photo was father/son. It's not a sexual pose.

Anonymous Darth Toolpodicus #144 August 24, 2015 2:56 PM  

My biggest problems with SJWs is the complete lack of civility...they really believe themselves to be untouchable, and they don't seem to understand that tearing down the very social structures that serve to protect them from strenous and spirited rebuttals like the Kratman Repartee™; isn't such a smart idea.

PNH deserved to have his dental plan activated for that insult. I don't know him, but he sounds like a physical coward...so laughing at him for a pussy and calmly upending a crappy convention beer on his head would have been a decent start.

Blogger Josh August 24, 2015 2:59 PM  

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/frankviola/bono-on-jesus/

Michka: That’s a great idea, no denying it. Such great hope is wonderful, even though it’s close to lunacy, in my view. Christ has his rank among the world’s great thinkers. But Son of God, isn’t that farfetched?

Bono: No, it’s not farfetched to me. Look, the secular response to the Christ story always goes like this: he was a great prophet, obviously a very interesting guy, had a lot to say along the lines of other great prophets, be they Elijah, Muhammad, Buddha, or Confucius. But actually Christ doesn’t allow you that. He doesn’t let you off that hook. Christ says: No. I’m not saying I’m a teacher, don’t call me teacher. I’m not saying I’m a prophet. I’m saying: “I’m the Messiah.” I’m saying: “I am God incarnate.” And people say: No, no, please, just be a prophet. A prophet, we can take. You’re a bit eccentric. We’ve had John the Baptist eating locusts and wild honey, we can handle that. But don’t mention the “M” word! Because, you know, we’re gonna have to crucify you.
And he goes: No, no. I know you’re expecting me to come back with an army, and set you free from these creeps, but actually I am the Messiah. At this point, everyone starts staring at their shoes, and says: Oh, my God, he’s gonna keep saying this. So what you’re left with is: either Christ was who He said He was the Messiah or a complete nutcase. I mean, we’re talking nutcase on the level of Charles Manson. This man was like some of the people we’ve been talking about earlier. This man was strapping himself to a bomb, and had “King of the Jews” on his head, and, as they were putting him up on the Cross, was going: OK, martyrdom, here we go. Bring on the pain! I can take it. I’m not joking here. The idea that the entire course of civilization for over half of the globe could have its fate changed and turned upside-down by a nutcase, for me, that’s farfetched
If only we could be a bit more like Him, the world would be transformed. When I look at the Cross of Christ, what I see up there is all my s— and everybody else’s. So I ask myself a question a lot of people have asked: Who is this man? And was He who He said He was, or was He just a religious nut? And there it is, and that’s the question. And no one can talk you into it or out of it.

Blogger Kirk Parker August 24, 2015 3:54 PM  

J @ 82: Metro PCS.

Blogger Dexter August 24, 2015 4:18 PM  

My biggest problems with SJWs is the complete lack of civility...

They're destroying everything - Western civilization, America, marriage, the Church, science fiction, you name it - and your biggest problem is they aren't polite about it?

So you'd be OK with a clique of mutually masturbatory non-entities winning Hugo awards and ensuring that only total dreck got published from now until the end of time so long as they did it nicely?

Far as I'm concerned, no amount of "civility" on their part in the process of destruction can make any sane man overlook the fact that the end-state they desire is, um, destruction and thus should be fought tooth and nail.

Anonymous 334 August 24, 2015 5:38 PM  

Going forward, I think it is incumbent upon us all to refer to PNH as "Smeagol".

Blogger IM2L844 August 24, 2015 5:41 PM  

I have 3 rowdy first cousins in their 40s who have been life long residents of Kansas City, Mo. We are very close. We may need to plan a family reunion for around this time next year.

Anonymous Jim Milo August 24, 2015 6:14 PM  

@19 @27 In some parts of Canada, a baptisimal certificate is a free ticket to publicly funded Catholic school, which has less vibrancy (although I met many nice Africans and Asians, tons of Italians and Pinoys, but no dindus). Also, the only Jewish influence was that guy on the cross. No cultural Marxism.

Aside: I dusted off my old Twitter account and went looking for VFMs. Follow me here.

Blogger Longstreet August 24, 2015 7:55 PM  

@56 Blast! I went the email route. I had no idea there was a better way!

Blogger Longstreet August 24, 2015 7:55 PM  

@56 Blast! I went the email route. I had no idea there was a better way!

Blogger Darth Toolpodicus (#144) August 24, 2015 8:42 PM  

" - and your biggest problem is they aren't polite about it? "

Jeez, Dexter...hold your water and don't vent like a cretinous, shortbus-seat-warming, smoothbrain who just found the pretzel bag empty.

How about you read the rest of what I wrote. Carefully.

When I lament the lack of civility by SJWs, it is mostly because Code Duello isn't legal anymore.

When this civilization collapses at their hands and the hands of their masters, they will be among the first casualties. Outright incivility due their mistaken impression that they are untouchable simply tempts me to advance that timetable and want to forget just how bad I look in Orange.

There, feel better now Dex?

Anonymous clk August 24, 2015 9:30 PM  

"Before she could finish her sentence, however, Mr. Hayden erupted into a swearing and cursing, and he shouted and bellowed at the tiny and cheerful woman I married."

So Macmillan doesn't have a HR department to lodge a complaint about harassing and unprofessional behavior, threatening and public intoxication etc ???

Anonymous Forrest Bishop VFM #0167 August 25, 2015 12:06 AM  

@134. clk

"Before she could finish her sentence, however, Mr. Hayden erupted into a swearing and cursing, and he shouted and bellowed at the tiny and cheerful woman I married."

So Macmillan doesn't have a HR department to lodge a complaint about harassing and unprofessional behavior, threatening and public intoxication etc ???

Oh yes, oh yes they do. That would be a good topic to explore at the upcoming Brainstorm.

Blogger Mint August 25, 2015 1:11 AM  

@78 John Wright
A Mormon would merely rip out the perp's throat with a Indonesian death-grip technique he learned as an Eagle Scout earning his Mixed-Martian Arts merit badge, and then go door to door on a bicycle, doing good deeds and saving lost souls.

We have a death-grip technique? Eh...I did not know, unless you mean Pencak Silat, Indonesian's martial arts which is a full-body fighting form incorporating strikes and grappling. The bela-diri (self-defense) aspect of Penca can be very dangerous indeed.

Blogger Groot August 25, 2015 1:45 AM  

133. Darth Toolpodicus (#144):
"Jeez, Dexter...hold your water and don't vent like a cretinous, shortbus-seat-warming, smoothbrain who just found the pretzel bag empty."

LOL! That's almost worthy of Steve (Evil Legion of Stevil). Don't know Dexter, but Darth Toolpodicus now sticks in the memory.

Anonymous Shut up rabbit August 25, 2015 2:56 AM  

@112. GK Chesterton "Its U2!". U2 is famously pro-Christian

I think they dropped all that a long time ago. About the time Bono got a whiff of money and fame and started worshiping himself and shilling for NWO.

Blogger LP999/S.I.G. Burn'in Up! August 25, 2015 3:49 AM  

Mr. Hayden owes Mr and Mrs an apology for his abuse. Tor's are such henhouzers

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