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Monday, August 24, 2015

The dangerous faith

I doubt it has escaped anyone's attention that with a few exceptions, the atheists, agnostics, and pagans around the world are content to make common cause with very nearly any religion except for one particular faith. As J.B. Bury observed nearly 100 years ago in his epic Cambridge Medieval History, which I cannot recommend more highly, this is not a new development:
Jesus Himself, had His followers allowed, might have had a place between Dionysos and Isis; but Christianity, which according to Porphyry had departed widely from the simple teaching of the mystic of Galilee, was sternly excluded from the Neoplatonist brotherhood of religions. Its idea of a creation in time seemed irreligious to Porphyry; its doctrine of the Incarnation introduced a false conception of the union between God and the world; its teaching about the end of all things he thought both irreverent and irreligious; above all things its claim to be the one religion, its exclusiveness, was hateful to him. He was too noble a man (philosopkus nobilis, says Augustine) not to sympathise with much in Christianity, and seems to have appreciated it more and more in his later writings Still his opinion remained unchanged: "The gods have declared Christ to have been most pious; he has become immortal, and by them his memory is cherished. Whereas the Christians are a polluted set, contaminated and enmeshed in error." Christianity was the one religion to be fought against and if possible conquered.

What Neoplatonism did theoretically the force of circumstances accomplished on. the practical side. The Oriental creeds had not merely gained multitudes of private worshippers; they had forced their way among the public deities of Rome. Isis, Mithra, Sol Invictus, Dea Syra, the Great Mother, took their places alongside of Jupiter, Venus, Mars, etc., and the Sacra peregrina appeared on the calendar of public festivals. As most of these Oriental cults contained within them the monotheist idea it is possible that they might have fought for preeminence and each aspired to become the official religion of the Empire. But they all recognised Christianity to be a common danger, and M. Cumont has shewn that this feeling united them and made them think and act as one.
From Communists to Muslims to SJWs, various philosophies and religions have been more than happy to attempt to coopt Jesus Christ, because they believe he is dead. What they cannot countenance are the servants of the Living God, the followers of the Risen Christ, who despite our manifold failings, our observable flaws, our complete falling short of the glory of the God we worship, insist on attempting to tread upon the hard and narrow path rather than obediently follow the gentle, easy, thoughtless ways they advocate.

Christianity is the dangerous faith because it is the one faith that is rooted in truth rather than lies. It is the one real connection Man can make to the Divine. Yes, our understandings are imperfect, yes, we see as though through a glass, darkly, yes, our interpretations are various and contradictory, and yet, only in doing so, only through relentlessly pursuing the truth to the best of our ability can we begin to approach Truth.

Those who consider Christians to be self-righteous entirely miss the point, including those who consider themselves to be righteous Christians. To be forgiven is not the same as being sinless. To be repentant is not the same as to be blameless. It is not necessary to put on sackcloth and with Augustine melodramatically label ourselves the worst of all sinners to recognize that we are no better, and in some cases are considerably worse, than the virtuous pagan.

For better or for worse, we are who we are. We have done what we have done and we can never change the past. But what we don't have to do is remain broken, frightened, sin-enslaved beings. That, through the grace of God, is the one thing we can change.

And that is what the enemies of God, in all their various guises, cannot abide. Because that is the one freedom they can never offer.

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85 Comments:

Anonymous Vfm#32 August 24, 2015 9:16 AM  

Amen.

Blogger FALPhil August 24, 2015 9:17 AM  

That is the most insightful interpretation I have read since I read R. C. Sproul.

Blogger CM August 24, 2015 9:19 AM  

From Communists to Muslims to SJWs, various philosophies and religions have been more than happy to attempt to coopt Jesus Christ, because they believe he is dead. What they cannot countenance are the servants of the Living God

This explains so much.

Blogger Sherwood family August 24, 2015 9:33 AM  

The scariest part for those who hate Him, is that Christ can transform us from the sad sacks we are into instruments fit for His purposes. When one sees the transformation Christ is able to bring about in lives that have been put into His hands there is something beautiful and terrifying about it. His aspirations for us far exceed the scope of our own and He does not hesitate to require all we can give to achieve them. How else does one explain the saints, the martyrs, the prophets, and the apostles? Simple people moved by His love and power to leap straight into the jaws of all that a vengeful world could throw at them.

Anonymous PhillipGeorge©2015 August 24, 2015 9:35 AM  

http://www.theage.com.au/content/dam/images/g/j/2/1/z/o/image.related.articleLeadNarrow.300x0.gj2zki.png/1440015279435.jpg

Well said Vox. This cartoon is one of the most pungent poignant and disturbing I've ever seen. ISIS to SJWs all in one.
Self righteous pricks can easily enough wear a veneer of humility, a masking cloak of science, a piety to paint frescoes, they can also burn babies on an altar literal and figurative, they can co-opt and usurp, they can dictate, scream, bully and burn, but they just can't wear a Christian Gospel pure and unadulterated.

BTW. Iff and only IFF [that mathematical token], Mena Lee Grebin, Renee Moses, Dr Patricia Green, Rabbi Cahn, Saint Malachi, Ephraim Rodriguez, and this is just a short list, are right, we don't have to worry about who is going to push our wheel chairs when we're grey with long beards. September? I suspect it is. T minus 30 or there abouts. Depends on cloud cover over a middle eastern city and a sliver of moon light.

Anonymous Takin' a look August 24, 2015 9:39 AM  

Beautiful, in Jesus' name, Amen.

Blogger Student in Blue August 24, 2015 9:58 AM  

Christianity is the dangerous faith because it is the one faith that is rooted in truth rather than lies. [...] and yet, only in doing so, only through relentlessly pursuing the truth to the best of our ability can we begin to approach Truth.

Hear, hear.

It is, dare I say, damning evidence that Christianity is the number one threat, despite not being the religion that beheads people, nor being behind mass genocides. They think that Christianity is a threat despite every single act of charity, message of goodwill, and effort to better our fellow man.

What could they possibly fear from Christianity, except for Truth?

Blogger Rabbi B August 24, 2015 9:59 AM  

I don't think most of us comprehend just how complete the exchange has been: all of our unrighteousness for His righteousness. None of us can go back an change the past though I imagine that most of us would like to; but the present and our future can surely be transformed if only a man would humble Himself, bow the knee, and call upon the Name that is above every name. (Isaiah 45:21-23)

Thanks Vox. Well said.

Anonymous Miserman August 24, 2015 9:59 AM  

Now if we can get pastors, ministers, and priests on board with this, Christianity might have a chance in hell of taking back what has been lost.

Blogger darkdoc August 24, 2015 10:13 AM  

Mark 14:36 (KJV)

36 And he said, Abba, Father, all things are possible unto thee; take away this cup from me: nevertheless not what I will, but what thou wilt.


The Father confirmed without doubt that Jesus' way was the only way. So sorry that offends so many (actually, not sorry at all).

It's very logical. Why would Jesus need to go through all this if there was another way?

Blogger JartStar August 24, 2015 10:14 AM  

At the heart of Christianity is the holiness of God. Natural man in his sin despises anything holy unless he has declared it "holy" and can control it. That God has no rivals, no comparison, is separate and utterly holy is an anathema to them as it makes them aware of their sin. So they hate God and hate holiness and spend their time trying to deny the reality of both.

Anonymous Viidad August 24, 2015 10:20 AM  

Well said, Vox.

Everything is relative except for their unflinching hatred of truth.

Blogger Student in Blue August 24, 2015 10:23 AM  

But we don't have to do is remain broken, frightened, sin-enslaved beings.
Probably should be:
But what we don't have to do is remain broken, frightened, sin-enslaved beings.

Blogger Nate Winchester August 24, 2015 10:30 AM  

The worst is to watch otherwise erstwhile allies (see comments) become utterly consumed with ungodly rage at the merest mention of religion.

That's the irony. Moving society to an atheistic worldview has sapped the public arena of the ability to even GRASP talking about faith.

Anonymous Dikaios Rik August 24, 2015 10:35 AM  

@14, I'm not surprised; that's just Reddit being Reddit. Anyone who voices religiosity is instantly downvoted and sneered at.

Blogger Nate Winchester August 24, 2015 10:41 AM  

@15 I know it's partially reddit, but it's more than just there. It's just a shift... everywhere you can find more and more.

Though I find it funny that someone says calling another person "Christ-hater" is not a good way to start a conversation. If you're not a follower, what does it matter? (wouldn't that be like calling some atheist a "zeus-hater" or "muhammod-hater" or "buddah-hater"?)

Anonymous Dikaios Rik August 24, 2015 10:51 AM  

@16, That's very true; one doesn't have to go very far to see anti-religious memes and soundbites being spouted in even the most unlikely of places.

As for saying that calling someone a "Christ-hater" is a bad conversation starter, I don't have to wonder too much as to whether the man applies the same standard to calling someone a "homophobe" or a "black-hater".

Blogger Tim August 24, 2015 10:52 AM  

Don't let it go to your head, but if you ever get tired of your current gig, you would make one hell of a good apologist!

Blogger Aeoli Pera August 24, 2015 10:53 AM  

Why did Christianity succeed? Because of the martyrs.

Why were they martyred?

"In its first three centuries, the Christian church endured persecution at the hands of Roman authorities. This experience, and its resulting martyrs and apologists, would have significant historical and theological consequences for the developing faith. {4}

Among other things, persecution sparked the cult of the saints, facilitated the rapid growth and spread of Christianity, prompted defenses and explanations of Christianity (the "apologies"), and, in its aftermath, raised fundamental questions about the nature of the church.

...

The Roman Empire was generally quite tolerant in its treatment of other religions. The imperial policy was generally one of incorporation - the local gods of a newly conquered area were simply added to the Roman pantheon and often given Roman names. Even the Jews, with their one god, were generally tolerated. So why the persecution of Christians?

In order to understand the Roman distrust of Christianity, one must understand the Roman view of religion. For the Romans, religion was first and foremost a social activity that promoted unity and loyalty to the state - a religious attitude the Romans called pietas, or piety. Cicero wrote that if piety in the Roman sense were to disappear, social unity and justice would perish along with it."

Persecution in the Early Church
ReligionFacts.com

Blogger Thomas Davidsmeier August 24, 2015 10:56 AM  

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Blogger JDC August 24, 2015 11:00 AM  

Heaven understands hell and hell does not understand heaven...To project ourselves into a wicked character, we have only to stop doing something and something we are already tired of doing; to project ourselves into a good one we have to do what we cannot and become what we are not. C.S. Lewis

Anonymous Sam the Man August 24, 2015 11:10 AM  

Wow... well said

Blogger Bodichi (0031) August 24, 2015 11:18 AM  

No on takes an image of Mohammed and drops it in a tank of urine and calls it art.
No one makes 150 different versions of the Koran, including one that specifically misinterprets verses to permit homosexual sex.
No one makes Buddhist, Muslim, or Zoroastrian movies where the movie differs from the text so much so as to be unrecognizable.
No Musician has ever become popular by railing against Mohammad, Buddha, or Zoroaster.

Why does the entire world and all those in power hate Jesus Christ?

Anonymous Whitey McWhite August 24, 2015 11:25 AM  

"Cicero wrote that if piety in the Roman sense were to disappear, social unity and justice would perish along with it."

He had a point.

Blogger Rabbi B August 24, 2015 11:30 AM  

@23

Excellent points Bodichi. No one protests against falsehood, but rather delight in normalizing it and embracing it. Men love the darkness and hate the light.

I would add that rarely do we see believers retaliate to the things you listed by shooting up or bombing the people guilty of these desecrations.

Blogger Nate Winchester August 24, 2015 11:33 AM  

@19 I also highly suggest you read the Impossible Faith which points out that by all logic and evidence, Christianity should have flopped harder than the latest Fantastic Four. But it didn't. Maybe because something special happened... something miraculous... something real...

Blogger PaulR August 24, 2015 11:42 AM  

Amen, well said.

Blogger Bodichi (0031) August 24, 2015 11:51 AM  

@ Rabbi B

If christians are "just as bad" as all the other world religions, why aren't there stacks of dead bodies over this one?

www . tshirthell.com/funny-shirts/jesus-is-a-homo

Where is the "Mohammed is a Homo" T-shirt? Seriously tell me, because I want one.

Perhaps "Mohammed is a Chomo" would be more appropriate.

Chomo - prison slang for homosexual child molester.

Anonymous MikeM August 24, 2015 11:55 AM  

I am a bible believing Christian and am certain that the Evil One who is named Satan and the Devil who was also Lucifer the Anointed Cherub that covered is the primary instigator of hatred for the Christian community.

Attempting to find a logical reason for the world's hatred of us can reasonably find its ultimate source in this one being.

The so-called prosperity gospel people fail to consider such words as "take up your cross and follow me" and "if they hated me, they will hate you" and that we are not of this world but are citizens of heaven. We can take stands for what is right and what is truth, but do not expect to change minds except the Spirit of God work within them.

Vox, my brother, though we have some significant different points of view about various theological issues, I have no doubt that your faith in Christ Jesus is real and that we have a mutual hope in Him.

Well done, Sir.

Anonymous Whitey McWhite August 24, 2015 11:56 AM  

Bodichi (0031): "Why does the entire world and all those in power hate Jesus Christ?"

Because Christianity in power ultimately submitted to Jewry and accepted a considerable degree of transformation by it.

This won Christianity no charity from any religion with grievances against it, least of all Judaism, which has a long list of wounds that rankle still. The Pope's Jubilee Apology was never reciprocated. There is no sign that it will be.

The result was a nearly universal alliance against Christianity; old foes such as Islam were as hostile as ever (and freshly provoked by the West's actions in support of Israel), while the peoples of former Christendom were dominated by "secular" Judaism under a thin coverlet of atheism, and under that by a shriveled, subaltern form of Christianity that passed loyalty from itself up to the higher authority of God's Chosen People, and gave those who submitted to it a death sentence in the form of Church-approved mass immigration and -- in many denominations -- the surrender of firm and good guides on sexuality and family life, that were formerly among Christianity's glories.

Of course there are Christians that are not buying into any of this corruption. But there are a lot that do buy it, or accept it.

This is a standing invitation to aggression. It is hard to fight external enemies and a treacherous elite. Anyone can see this, and the malicious bank on it.

Anonymous Whitey McWhite August 24, 2015 12:02 PM  

You can see this disaster in several ways. From one Christian point of view, it may be just part of troubles you were told must come. From another: you were warned; at no time did Jesus say the leaven of the rabbis was good for you, and that it would guarantee your collective and individual salvation.

From an intensely anti-Christian point of view, the false religion of Christianity is simply getting what has been coming to it for a long time, and the treatment has to continue till the target is destroyed and its good name is erased forever.

From one of the less intensely anti-Christian points of view, the ancient sages were simply right, and Christianity proved foreign (and a channel for more foreign-ness) in the ways that Cicero and Tacitus were right to fear.

Whether you got one warning or the other, it's hard to see what good that does us now.

Blogger Matamoros August 24, 2015 12:10 PM  

It has long been my practice to discern to good, the bad, and the ugly by looking for the cloven hoof.

If whatever/whomever is against Christ, His Church, or the Faith as received, they should not be associated with if at all possible.

Blogger Josh August 24, 2015 12:13 PM  

Amen and amen

Blogger Aeoli Pera August 24, 2015 12:19 PM  

@26,

Will do, thanks. Always looking for mortal salient stimuli that won't also corrupt.

Blogger Tim Hansen August 24, 2015 12:49 PM  

As an atheist I must say I am far more worried about islam than the secular Christianity in much of Western civilization. My standpoint about religions; believe what you wish, but keep your religion away from politics and other peoples' children.

Blogger Carl Philipp August 24, 2015 1:36 PM  

@26 Nate W
Holy heck, another Tekton reader? I found that guy like ten years ago; he was my introduction to rational apologetics and antifragility. Decent toons too.

Blogger LP999/S.I.G. August 24, 2015 1:47 PM  

Very edifying, objective and timely, thank you and amen.

Anonymous Bohm August 24, 2015 1:55 PM  

FYI,
The quote is not J B Bury's. It is the Rev. T M Lindsay.

Blogger James Clifton August 24, 2015 2:13 PM  

"Men who begin to fight the Church for the sake of freedom and humanity end by flinging away freedom and humanity if only they may fight the Church." -GK Chesterton

Blogger Nate Winchester August 24, 2015 2:14 PM  

@36 Yeah, JP is alright, I could believe he and vox are cousins (or alternate universe versions of each other). You ever spent time on theology web?

He's certainly done a fine job proving that whenever people say something like:
"Most conservative “skeptics” back religion out of contrarianism but that only discredits conservatism itself because it’s skepticism from someone who still remains credulous about something that has been debunked or has not enough evidence to claim it is true."
They have either double standards for debunking, or no idea what evidence is. While they're at least not buying into the modern secular cult, they're still practicing a "feelz before realz" mentality ("I feel like religion can never be true, therefore there is no possible evidence for it.")

Anonymous Geoff August 24, 2015 2:22 PM  

It is indeed interesting that Christians are often called "self-righteous" given that submitting to Christ is one of the most humble things anyone could ever do.

OpenID corvinus333 August 24, 2015 2:39 PM  

A Catholic perspective on this subject here:

The next step is, then, the persecution of the truth…. [In ancient Rome] there were all manner of sacred confraternities, and orders, and societies, and I know not what; but there was one society which was not permitted to exist, and that was the Church of the living God. In the midst of this universal toleration, there was one exception made with the most peremptory exactness, to exclude the truth and the Church of God from the world. Now this is what must again inevitably come to pass, because the Church of God is inflexible in the mission committed to it. The Catholic Church will never compromise a doctrine; it will never allow two doctrines to be taught within its pale; it will never obey the civil governor pronouncing judgment in matters that are spiritual. The Catholic Church is bound by the Divine law to suffer martyrdom rather than compromise a doctrine, or obey the law of the civil governor which violates the conscience; and more than this, it is not only bound to offer a passive disobedience, which may be done in a corner, and therefore not detected, and because not detected not punished; but the Catholic Church cannot be silent; it cannot hold its peace; it cannot cease to preach the doctrines of Revelation, not only of the Trinity and of the Incarnation, but likewise of the Seven Sacraments, and of the infallibility of the Church of God, and of the necessity of unity, and of the sovereignty, both spiritual and temporal, of the Holy See; and because it will not be silent, and cannot compromise, and will not obey in matters that are of its own Divine prerogative, therefore it stands alone in the world; for there is not another Church so called, nor any community professing to be a Church, which does not submit, or obey, or hold its peace, when the civil governors of the world command….

Anonymous A.B. Prosper August 24, 2015 3:04 PM  

Bodichi, Christendom or whats left of it is suffering from surfeit of civilization. Its strongest secular allies and its smartest (European derived nations) are either becoming less Christian (even the US) or outright dying. Even Russia growing a tiny bit in population naturally this year and growing more Orthodox is't terribly fertile and has not yet to go above 2.3 or so where it needs to be for growth (I'm assuming somewhat higher than Western infant mortality)

It may yet achieve this but it takes time for faith and hope to blossom where the soil was salted.

The current explosion in Christianity is in the 3rd world and as such we don't see how they act toward troublemakers much here.

Of course was a time in which people didn't willfully insult Christianity in the West simply because they didn't dare as there would be secular consequences. we slaughtered millions over doctrine and thankfully those times are long passed. we can't afford the losses and frankly most Christians would rather let God sort things out.

The others, the loathy seculars and the like don't see this and for them seeing weakness breeds contempt.

As for the other faiths, people do misinterpret Hinduism and Buddhism for sport quite often, the participants don't seem to care too a high degree or have reach to do much about it except locally.

Hinduism is a highly diverse faith with far more variation than Christianity anyway, it might be no big deal . Even our outliers such as Mormonism aren't that different to the mainstream of Christianity compared to some Hindu sects.

Buddhism is a way of living as much as a faith though both of those faiths when pushed or annoyed will kill.

As for Islam, they kill over doctrinal differences day in and day out at a granted less organized level the same as we did during the 30 years wars and other religious wars.

So they don't mind a little more killing.

As for the actual Pagan faiths, none have the adherents to do much or honestly care that much

Wiccans like to complain about witch stereotypes sometimes but are just as likely to embrace them, the number of Asatru and Odinists are tiny and most seem to to find the Marvel version of the Æsir somewhat amusing save for a few identity types who dislike the Black version of Hemdall or the Asian guys in the movie.

New Age isn't really a religion and the Neo-Hellenics I actually have no idea,

Blogger Josh August 24, 2015 3:11 PM  

we slaughtered millions over doctrine and thankfully those times are long passed.

Cite or retract

Blogger Lovekraft August 24, 2015 3:33 PM  

and note how, before the internet's ability to distribute non-PC messages, western societies were bombarded with homosexualists, perverts, anti-white shaming etc diluting Christian morality in the media.

But it still couldn't turn the tide completely and the Message eventually resurfaced. Truth is stronger than state-pushed secularism.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents August 24, 2015 3:35 PM  

Bodichi (0031): "Why does the entire world and all those in power hate Jesus Christ?"

Whitey McWhite
Because Christianity in power ultimately submitted to Jewry and accepted a considerable degree of transformation by it.

No. Not even close, child.

John 15:18-27King James Version (KJV)

18 If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.

19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.

20 Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.

21 But all these things will they do unto you for my name's sake, because they know not him that sent me.

22 If I had not come and spoken unto them, they had not had sin: but now they have no cloak for their sin.

23 He that hateth me hateth my Father also.

Blogger Rabbi B August 24, 2015 3:47 PM  

@Paradigm

A sane voice of reason. Thanks.

Blogger Verki August 24, 2015 4:02 PM  

There has been a tectonic shift in Christianity's place in American culture during my lifetime. If someone was a minister, they were looked up to, churches were viewed as a place where one could go to receive aid and to better oneself, Christians were viewed with some degree of respect and admiration, Christianity was viewed as a "step up."

No more. Not. One. Bit.

Much of this is the fault of ministers and churches and people that call themselves Christians. But make no mistake, the times have changed. Christianity is now viewed as a step down and Christians are The Enemy.

Blogger ray August 24, 2015 4:25 PM  

"But they all recognised Christianity to be a common danger, and M. Cumont has shewn that this feeling united them and made them think and act as one."


We see these alliances forming, the elite 'leaders' of the nations, the UN, the EU, transnational corporations, the RCC with its commie Pope, mooslims, the Dilly Llama, atheists, Buddhists, SJWs . . . all roughly allied against ONE element, the Father and Son. This cannot be grasped unless one accepts the Scriptural assertion that the world is under the spiritual power of a (loosely) unified alien enemy. Which the world considers Fantasy and Fiction.

There is the truth, which most people don't like, and then there is everything else that isn't the truth. All the pagan nonsense, the Redemptrix of Heaven idolatry, God particles, philosophers, Christ's 'little space' between Dionysus and Isis, and the rest of the bullshit.

Christ is not inclusive and he is not politically tolerant. He is holy and elitist and extremely picky. These zillions of 'Christians' who think they're gonna be raptured away from their sins, you better save up some rocket fuel.

The truth convicts the world like King Jeshua convicted the world, and the world HATES to be gainsaid, much less convicted. So next time the world isn't getting any choice.

Anonymous Dream Weaver August 24, 2015 4:28 PM  

With all due respect, all religion to me just seems like human made fiction like when L. Ron Hubbard made up Scientology. But that's me.

The Age cartoon posted above.

Blogger Rabbi B August 24, 2015 4:38 PM  

"With all due respect, all religion to me just seems like human made fiction . . . "

Most . . .but not all.

"Those who consider themselves religious and yet do not keep a tight rein on their tongues deceive themselves, and their religion is worthless. Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world." (cf. James 1)

Sui generis.

Blogger Tiny Tim August 24, 2015 4:44 PM  

Dream Weaver: "With all due respect, all religion to me just seems like human made fiction like when L. Ron Hubbard made up Scientology. But that's me."

Well stated and understood.

Much of religion is man made so there is man made fiction in much of the dogma as presented by some "religion".

Recognition there is a God, our Creator Jehovah, and believing on His Son, Jesus Christ, our Lord and Savior, is not religion. Listening to the Holy Spirit and submitting to that inner knowing...

that is reality, not religion.

Blogger NewAgeGOP August 24, 2015 4:57 PM  

Amen amen.

Blogger ray August 24, 2015 5:07 PM  

"Mena Lee Grebin, Renee Moses, Dr Patricia Green, Rabbi Cahn, Saint Malachi, Ephraim Rodriguez, and this is just a short list, are right, we don't have to worry about who is going to push our wheel chairs when we're grey with long beards."


Dunno who any of these folks are. I like Malachi the OT prophet, and don't follow R.C. 'saints'. God, not people, decides who are saints. I know these people aren't mentioned in the bible however. Yet people depend upon their words, opinions, and wisdoms of such populist figures.

That said, September 2015 is a very important month, for reasons that oughtn't be discussed here, but go well beyond celestial signs and date calculations. God is our PERSONAL LORD and most of his important changes take place with individuals, not groups. Read the Scripture, this is obvious. However, his personal interactions during September will certainly resonate nationally and internationally.

Anonymous Sparky August 24, 2015 5:11 PM  

@44

He is probably confusing Christianity with atheism. Moderns do tend to make that mistake.

Blogger ray August 24, 2015 5:21 PM  

Dream Weaver -- "With all due respect, all religion to me just seems like human made fiction like when L. Ron Hubbard made up Scientology. But that's me."


At least that's honest, and honest is a good start.

Twenty years ago, nobody could have convinced me of Christ's sovereignty, nor of most of the Scriptural realities that I now accept, or struggle to accept. Like 'loving your enemies'. I just felt like I didn't have enough evidence.

Then God decided to wake me up and put the secular skills he'd invested in me to use for Himself. It was a gradual process because I'm not a believer type and I am not strong in faith, I like to go slow and investigate.

So I try not to get too Holier Than Thou because the lord could have just left me in the ignorance of my own delusions, and in the lies of this world. It wasn't to my own credit that he pulled me out and shook me up.

The best thing I could hope and pray is that he does the same for you. It helps if we want to change and learn, but the ultimate decision is his.

Blogger Bob August 24, 2015 5:28 PM  

I like what the late Ellis Peters (Edith Pargeter) had to say about sin and judgment in her final Brother Cadfael mystery, Brother Cadfael's Penance:

In the end there is nothing to be done but to state clearly what has been done, without shame or regret, and say: Here I am, and this is what I am. Now deal with me as you see fit. That is your right. Mine is to stand by the act, and pay the price.

You do what you must do, and pay for it. So in the end all things are simple.

Blogger Rabbi B August 24, 2015 5:30 PM  

"Wouldn't it have been easier to just say, "I believe in God" and leave it at that?"

Nope. There is only one G-d Who holds us accountable for the lives we lived in this world. Of course, most want to believe in a god that requires nothing of them.

Blogger Vile Faceless Moderator August 24, 2015 5:31 PM  

Tad alert. He commented as "KalamityJ".

Blogger Rabbi B August 24, 2015 5:32 PM  

Tad alert.

Seriously? Dang it!

Blogger Vile Faceless Moderator August 24, 2015 5:36 PM  

He's started playing different roles, Rabbi B. One of his comments I nuked yesterday was pretending to be on our side.

Blogger Rabbi B August 24, 2015 5:39 PM  

@61

Sneaky little bastard. I would suck as a moderator. Thanks.

Blogger Tiny Tim August 24, 2015 5:51 PM  

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God.…"

"The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth."

"Very truly I tell you," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I am!"


Blogger Carl Philipp August 24, 2015 6:10 PM  

@40 Nate W
Spent time? Hell, I moderated for a while. School crushed my enthusiasm for many things, so I haven't been back in a long time, but I have fond memories. Was "Frogwarrior."

Blogger Thordaddy August 24, 2015 6:12 PM  

"They" hate the undeniable universal ordering principle known as The Perfect Man... And they REALLY hate those white men who geniunely attempt to project His Perfection into this world.

Blogger Patrikbc August 24, 2015 8:09 PM  

@ Vox
Preach it Son!

Blogger Patrikbc August 24, 2015 8:18 PM  

Thirdaddy, you are the theological equivalent of a tranny crackhead prostitute.

Blogger Nate Winchester August 24, 2015 8:34 PM  

@64 Frogwarrior???

*stands up and salutes*

You sir, were alright.

Blogger Carl Philipp August 24, 2015 8:42 PM  

@68
Huh. Thanks. Which were you, if you were a member?

Blogger Giuseppe August 24, 2015 8:56 PM  

@67 +1

Anonymous Didas Kalos August 24, 2015 9:57 PM  

Because ALL will have to stand before Him, Jesus Christ, and give account of their lives. All will be judged and He is the one who is going to do the judging! That's why he's hated.

Blogger Donald August 24, 2015 10:05 PM  

@46 Excellent - also this (Matt. 10:22):
and you will be hated by all for my name’s sake. But the one who endures to the end will be saved.

Blogger Subversive Saint #249 August 24, 2015 11:51 PM  

Poignant and Provocative. The truth stirs the heart and strips away pretense.

Blogger Banshee August 25, 2015 12:04 AM  

It was Paul who said he was the worst sinner, in 1 Timothy 1:15. Augustine was just quoting or paraphrasing.

Blogger Thordaddy August 25, 2015 12:51 AM  

Pa-trik...

The SJW hates Perfection. The Jew qua Jew hates Perfection. The jihadist hates Perfection. The homodyke hates Perfection. The "black" collective and her nigger "master" hates Perfection. The marauding migger hates Perfection. The "white" self-annihilator hates Perfection. Buttjew know who hates Perfection the most? That weak, sniveling high IQ NERD who leaves the "c" out of his name... She really, really hates Perfection.

Blogger James Chandler August 25, 2015 1:00 AM  

First time I've visited this site. This is brilliant.

Blogger Thordaddy August 25, 2015 2:10 AM  

The high IQ jewhite HAS FAILED to deliver the perfect society. In fact, the high IQ jewhite has brought "us" to the brink of unmitigated disaster. Clearly though, the high IQ jewhite is smart enough to disperse the cost of total failure. In the theoretical sense, the dispersion of the cost of failure is intricately related to the mass perception of a giant herd of idiots. This is the "struggle." High IQ jewhites SHOULD BE ABLE to outwit the ignorant masses and usher in a perfect society. They cannot do it and because the ignorant masses are the fixed variable then the real mass deception is in the actual intellectual ability of the so-called high IQ jewhite. "Our" "default elite" (read: high IQ jewhite homodyke) has not the will to Perfection. "They" do not usher in a better society BECAUSE they cannot usher in a better society. And "they" cannot do this because their actual capabilities are, in fact, no greater than the ignorant masses.

Blogger Markku August 25, 2015 2:25 AM  

Saul of Tarsis persecuted and murdered a huge number of Christians. He could actually credibly claim to be the chief of sinners.

Blogger Markku August 25, 2015 2:32 AM  

It's like the story I recall from some pastor: When he was a child, he apologised profusely to God for adultery. He didn't know what it was, just that he's probably done it...

Anonymous A. Nonymous August 25, 2015 2:53 AM  

All the pagan nonsense, the Redemptrix of Heaven idolatry...

Burn, heretic.

Blogger Thordaddy August 25, 2015 2:57 AM  

Of course, the good white Christian understands that there is no perfect society... There are only individual men possessing a will to Perfection. This is the war between the white man in a head divided. One side a created whole and the other side a deracinated chaos with a proliferate array of adjunct tumors.

Anonymous doulos23 August 25, 2015 1:33 PM  

Plainly stated truth without hint of irony, snark, or the other trappings of post-modern sophistry terrifies people. There is nothing more disheartening to myself then, when discussing Bible or sharing a lesson, the response is an obvious discomfort coupled with "well...I know that it was it says but...we need to find a less controversial way of saying it."

Jesus was honest without fault (He had to be). He told what was going to happen. He stated the true nature of things, despite all of the twistings, reformings, and concessions of man.

As an example, it is amazing just how "offensive" to so many (including some who "claim" Christ) it is to, without irony or couching, simply quote John 14:6: "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father but through Me." (Emphasis mine)

Blogger Michael Maier August 25, 2015 6:53 PM  

@ doulos23: The truth angers people, especially when they're busy lying to themselves. Hiding the truth behind "civility" is offensive to me and most likely to God Himself.

"SIN NO MORE" is my favorite rejoinder to the cowardly adherents of "civility". He never said being a slattern was okay. He told her to stop.

Blogger Michael Banak August 26, 2015 6:51 PM  

I really enjoyed this pot-up of yours, VD. Thanks a heap. And your concluding line had that *snap* that will keep make thinking for a long time.

As one Christian to another, methinks your use of the F-word is counter-productive. It appears in the blog immediately above this one on your main page.

Everyone could use a tune-up every now and then.

Isa 60:17 For brass I will bring gold, and for iron I will bring silver, and for wood brass, and for stones iron: I will also make thy officers peace, and thine exactors righteousness.


Blogger Michael Banak August 26, 2015 6:55 PM  

I really enjoyed this pot-up of yours, VD. Thanks a heap. And your concluding line had that *snap* that will keep make thinking for a long time.

As one Christian to another, methinks your use of the F-word is counter-productive. It appears in the blog immediately above this one on your main page.

Everyone could use a tune-up every now and then.

Isa 60:17 For brass I will bring gold, and for iron I will bring silver, and for wood brass, and for stones iron: I will also make thy officers peace, and thine exactors righteousness.


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