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Thursday, August 27, 2015

The first two reviews

Interestingly enough, the very first review of SJWs Always Lie is by an individual whose SJW attack is mentioned in the book, Paz Dickenson:
Vox Day’s short new book “SJWs Always Lie” is essential reading for anyone interested in modern online moral panics triggered by Social Justice Warriors. Vox explains what these people are, how they function, and what to do if you’re attacked. As someone who has personally lived through his own political correctness lynching I agree wholeheartedly with his recommendations.

The book includes chapters that comprise the best short summaries I’ve read of Gamergate and the Sad Puppies movements to date, and having just been released it includes even the most recent developments.
I'm very pleased to see others who have experienced SJW attacks can endorse both the descriptions of the attacks as well as the recommendations on how to react to them. Another reviewer who is mentioned in the book, Gorilla Mindset author Mike Cernovich, one of my GGinParis cohosts, reviews SJWs Always Lie with a completely different angle in mind, and frankly, one I'd never really considered, which is to say professional public relations:
No one ever attacked me with such rabid dishonesty as the social justice warriors.

SJWs lied about every area of my life. They lied about verifiable facts. For example, SJWs claimed I wasn’t a real lawyer. (Anyone can ascertain my ability to practice law by checking the California State Bar website!)

SJWs called me a racist, a rapist, and accused me of moving to Vietnam for underage sex tourism.I also had to stay in a hotel after SJWs attempted to have a police SWAT team sent to my home. A 350-pound woman falsely accused me of threatening her with rape.

Fortunately my business model is anti-fragile. The more hate I receive leads to more books sold. SJWs actually helped me make Gorilla Mindset a best seller, as my unwavering mindset in the face of their death threats proved the power of mindset. SJWs lined my pocket with their attacks, and for the most part have moved on to exploit vulnerable people.

Yet even I was a bit shell shocked by the attacks. I had never encountered such hateful people in my life.

SJWs Always Lie would have helped me anticipate their tactics and thus fight more effectively. SJWs Always Lie is the public relations book every celebrity and public relations strategist will deny owning.
It's interesting to see Mike declare that the book isn't a polemic because I am a polemicist, I had conceived of the book as a polemic, and indeed, began writing it as a polemic. But then, the patterns that I kept seeing over and over in the different SJW attacks, across different industries and in different countries, were too obvious to ignore, and after describing those patterns, it seemed only natural to explain some strategies for dealing with them. And somehow, in the process, what began as a specific polemic was transformed into a more general cultural 4GW handbook.

And Skittles Boy violate Amazon's review policy when he scribbled a one-star review that is even less intelligent than the fake one. I particularly liked how I'm supposed to be "piggybacking on a topic he knows will be popular for his own obvious self-aggrandizement." All together now: SJWs Always Lie! 

"We have a zero tolerance policy for any review designed to mislead or manipulate customers."

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185 Comments:

Blogger Travis Landenwitsch August 27, 2015 12:24 PM  

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Anonymous WinstonWebb August 27, 2015 12:26 PM  

No, it doesn't. You are lying.

Blogger Rabbi B August 27, 2015 12:27 PM  

@1

Only one side always lies.

Anonymous PLC August 27, 2015 12:27 PM  

That is was not a polemic is one of the pleasant surprises of SJWs Always Lie.

Anonymous ze german August 27, 2015 12:39 PM  

Paz Dickenson:

Pax Dickinson

Blogger David-2 August 27, 2015 12:39 PM  

The entire book is good but what is truly excellent is chapter 7 : What to do when SJWs attack. The 8 things to "keep in mind" is really well done, and worth (more than) twice the price of the book.

Blogger Travis Landenwitsch August 27, 2015 12:40 PM  

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Blogger Rabbi B August 27, 2015 12:43 PM  

"Got it so only your enemies resort to these tactics."

When the tactic is to lie and perpetuate falsehoods, then they are enemies of the truth, something which I value above all else.

Blogger SirHamster (#201) August 27, 2015 12:43 PM  

@7

Only one side always lies. The other side may have some liars, but one side observably always lies.

Anonymous WinstonWebb August 27, 2015 12:44 PM  

Provide examples, Travis.

Blogger Danby August 27, 2015 12:48 PM  

Even better, only one side even acknowledges the existence of truth. And it ain't Travis'.

Anonymous patrick kelly August 27, 2015 12:49 PM  

SJW's would never attempt to swat anyone they thought would fight back in kind, or worse. They usually pick more "moderate", easier targets, never someone like black hats or anonymous.

Blogger VD August 27, 2015 12:49 PM  

This describes tactics used by all sides.

No, it does not. You are lying. Thank you for supporting my book.

Blogger Rabbi B August 27, 2015 12:50 PM  

"Only one side always lies."

They have to. Personal destruction is their goal, not the truth.

They do not hold the truth and there is no truth in them, when they speak they speak their native language. When we tell them the truth they are incapable of believing it.

Blogger ScuzzaMan August 27, 2015 12:52 PM  

Testify

Blogger Brad Andrews August 27, 2015 12:54 PM  

The bad review reminds me of my starting to teach with a new college. Some students complained I told to many "war stories" in the class. Yet a key principle of that college was the professional experience of the developers.

I didn't take to the Scalzi story immediately, but it seemed more reasonable after I finished that whole part. A part of that was likely because I had seen much of it here before, but the illustration showed the points. Some people have trouble pulling principles out of examples unfortunately. Adding lying doesn't help, but I think they just don't/can't/won't think things through for the deeper idea.

Blogger skiballa August 27, 2015 12:54 PM  

Would it surprise anyone to know Travis is another fat, bearded, SJW goony-man?

Anonymous Soga August 27, 2015 12:58 PM  

Travis runs right into the Third Law of SJW. PROJECT!

SJWs are some of the most brainwashed people in the world. I mean, Arthur Chu even admitted it when he said he "mindkills" himself every day. Basically, he brainwashes himself on a regular basis to keep badthink out of his mind.

Anonymous #0393 August 27, 2015 12:59 PM  

I suspect we'll see a lot more hilarity as people like Travis attack the book, and in the process prove all of Vox's points.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan August 27, 2015 1:00 PM  

Yes thanks for not writing yet another conservative book where the primary purpose is to prove your smarter than other conservatives. I have a whole library full of books like that, decades worth and all quite factual, logical and not very useful

Blogger Rabbi B August 27, 2015 1:01 PM  

"Thank you for supporting my book."

Travis also serves. The few, the proud, the unwitting minion

Blogger Student in Blue August 27, 2015 1:07 PM  

>Travis Landenwitsch tries linking /baphomet/ with #GG

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

For those unaware, people who frequented /baphomet/ really didn't like GamerGate all that much (from their own words!). They're an example of one of the chaotic third parties stirring up things.

Anonymous Nathan August 27, 2015 1:08 PM  

He's certainly matching Larry's Internet Arguing Checklist quite well. I'd like to see an SJW whose arguments can't be reduced to a series of scripted "IF...THEN" commands.

Blogger skiballa August 27, 2015 1:10 PM  

@17

Travis, please explain to us where you see the political leanings of the offending parties in the article you listed as an example, we'll wait.

Blogger Mike Farnsworth August 27, 2015 1:12 PM  

@17 Travis, supposedly someone from 8chan did the swatting, but there are no reports they figured out who it was. For all we know that chick swatted herself to get attention and play victim. It could have been real too, but the people here bear no responsibility for that, nor is there a pattern of anti-SJWs swatting people. You're implicitly conflating the 8chan crowd (or a specific immoral jerk) with the crowd here.

The people here are ultimately just good people who are sick of SJW crap.

There is a pattern of SJWs lying and doing the things described in the book. It's everywhere. This blog highlights a number of them, but I see it on my own all the time.

You're either lying, or are projecting. Take your pick.

Blogger Rabbi B August 27, 2015 1:13 PM  

6. You will not call me a liar without providing any evidence of my lying, nor will you attempt to attribute to me words I have not written or actions I have not performed. If you do, your comments will be deleted and you will probably be banned.

Uh-oh . . .

May be the least of Travis' worries if he keeps it up . . .

Blogger Rabbi B August 27, 2015 1:14 PM  

Be afraid Travis, be VERY afraid . . .

Blogger Nate August 27, 2015 1:15 PM  

Rule number 4: an apology is a signal to start an sjw feeding frenzy

Blogger Student in Blue August 27, 2015 1:16 PM  

Banning would just be a badge of pride, a sign of a "close encounter" with the Vox-kind.

Blogger Giraffe August 27, 2015 1:17 PM  

Skittles Boy? Here I thought Alexandra Erin was just an ugly woman.

Anonymous Roundtine August 27, 2015 1:19 PM  

SJWs are the only ones who make a habit of SWATing for political reasons. Other people do it for laughs or general assholery.

Anonymous Stg58 / Animal Mother #225 August 27, 2015 1:20 PM  

I note the musical choices of the Amazon account holder who screenshotted the review. Metallica, Fergie AND Dr. Dre.

Anonymous Viidad August 27, 2015 1:21 PM  

You know, Travis is rather a Republican name.

Do your parents know you're online without supervision pretending to be a liberal?

Blogger Danby August 27, 2015 1:21 PM  

That's what he wants you to think.

Blogger Jack Ward August 27, 2015 1:22 PM  

Have not had the pleasure of starting to read it yet. Soon. I paid Markku for three copies [fr course three downloads did not happen; anytime I've done this I just attach the ebook [kindle, mobi] and send it to the people being gifted. In this case, my son and brother. Since Castalia does not do drm you can do this. I imagine there might be the stray person or so, particularly among the sjw, if they can figure out how, that might take advantage of this. Most are very honest; especially on this blog. This kind of faith in your customers generates far more honest dealings than any regulation or threat.

Anonymous Steve, The Dark Ninja of Mockery August 27, 2015 1:23 PM  

1.0 out of 5 stars Not Vox Day's Best Work, August 27, 2015
By Alexandra Erin "AE"


That's no woman...

Anonymous Viidad August 27, 2015 1:24 PM  

The book is now up to #252...

Blogger Rabbi B August 27, 2015 1:26 PM  

@37

What the heck is up with the dog collar?

Blogger Student in Blue August 27, 2015 1:26 PM  

A fine fighting retreat Travis. You even managed to complete misrepresent the topic and shift the goalposts.

Your SJW brethren will surely pat you on the back and tell you what a brave, brave soul you are.

...but remember we'll sometimes remember and laugh at you, because we know how worthless and dishonest you are.

Anonymous Viidad August 27, 2015 1:26 PM  

@Travis

If you can defend yourself, do it. Popping in, making a statement, then claiming we're all brainwashed... well... that's sissy stuff. We see it all the time. We are hated, we are evil, and we don't care what you feel like.

You're in the deep end of the pool. Sink or swim.

Blogger Rabbi B August 27, 2015 1:27 PM  

" . . .by people who have no clue what type of person I am."

We have more than just a clue.

Anonymous Viidad August 27, 2015 1:28 PM  

@Steve

Dafuq...

Blogger Giuseppe August 27, 2015 1:28 PM  

@18 Skiballa,

Called it right: https://media.licdn.com/mpr/mpr/shrink_100_100/p/5/005/054/099/0cc04a5.jpg

Anonymous PVB August 27, 2015 1:30 PM  

Like wearing black, dog collars make you look slim....or something. Works pretty good, eh?

Anonymous Soga August 27, 2015 1:30 PM  

Well, if you don't know who Arthur Chu is, you certainly don't know enough about this entire subject matter to comment, much less make blanket statements without citing examples, as you are doing here.

And you are demonstrably wrong in saying that is a tactic used by every side. But, of course, you wouldn't even happen to know what the sides are, would you?

That's what I thought.

Anonymous Difster VFM #109 August 27, 2015 1:32 PM  

I just bought it. I'll give it an honest review when I'm done as a "verified purchaser."

Also, I would like to buy a purple t-shirt with just the smiley face logo and the book title. That ought to be a conversation starter.

Blogger skiballa August 27, 2015 1:32 PM  

@45

Giuseppe, it's true so often it's like a bad joke.

Blogger IM2L844 August 27, 2015 1:33 PM  

@26
For all we know that chick swatted herself to get attention and play victim.

And the hero. Consider the logistics.

Anonymous Steve, The Dark Ninja of Mockery August 27, 2015 1:33 PM  

Rabbi, if I had to guess, I'd say it used to have a little white dog called Precious...

Blogger Mike Farnsworth August 27, 2015 1:37 PM  

My point was that the tactic is not used by this side, or certainly no evidence provided of that. You didn't have to point anyone specific out, you lumped everyone together who have no association with each other.

I also didn't say there weren't immoral jerks on all sides, nor is it true that all immoral jerks resort to swatting. Your supporting evidence for your statement that "all sides" engage in this behavior is insufficient, to put it lightly.

I don't know you, nor exactly what kind of person you are, other than you have ascribed things to people you don't know. That is also what you are decrying being done to yourself. For the record, IMO you're no Arthur Chu. But you'd have to be blind to not see the SJW tactics for what they are, and realize they're a world apart from what the other "sides" are doing.

Blogger Jeff Weimer August 27, 2015 1:38 PM  

@1 - the only people who have been verifiably SWATted are celebrities (for unkown reasons) and right-wing bloggers such as Patrick Frey, Erick Erickson, and Robert Stacy McCain. All were related to "Wienergate" one way or the other, and done by leftist SJW types to intimidate.

Anonymous KBT August 27, 2015 1:39 PM  

[b]"piggybacking on a topic he knows will be popular"[/b]

And so what if you did? I've been thinking of writing a book. The first thing did was look at what's popular, especially what's just popping up on the radar, and if I could approach from a fresh angle.

I could do years of research and write a 600 page history of French Renaissance puppetry, but then I'd be taking a paycheck away from an Occupy Wall Street member.

Blogger VD August 27, 2015 1:40 PM  

VD, actually you are lying.

You're banned permanently.

Blogger VD August 27, 2015 1:40 PM  

Automatthew, note his IP address for future reference.

Blogger Markku August 27, 2015 1:41 PM  

http://s15.postimg.org/bgfcsgldn/Scrapbook_1440695920907.png

Now, see, this is exactly the genius of "Social Justice Warrior" instead of some disparaging and obvious third word. It's a double whammy. The normal person hears the dripping sarcasm thereof.

But precisely this type of people is the most likely to then start carrying it as a banner. And when the normal person sees what the self-described SJWs are like, he's going to say...

Blogger Student in Blue August 27, 2015 1:45 PM  

Fellow readers, note that the only thing Travis couldn't resist responding to was the rhetoric. He didn't bother with anything else, and just misrepresented them as an aside.

A fine and timely example, I say.

Blogger IM2L844 August 27, 2015 1:47 PM  

Would anyone here be surprised to learn that someone with SJW inclinations safely "swatted" themselves only to swoop in and contact the police in the nick of time to save the day? I wouldn't.

SJWs always try to have their cake and eat it too? It's what they do. That's the impetus behind the lies.

Blogger Rabbi B August 27, 2015 1:49 PM  

@49

Or maybe just expressing herself.

Blogger Student in Blue August 27, 2015 1:50 PM  

Markku, I think you have it slightly backwards.

SJW was a term the Tumblr-ites made for themselves. They used it unironically, until mockery of it became widespread during the early months of GamerGate.

We took their word, simply by pointing out the truth about those who took the label seriously.

Blogger skiballa August 27, 2015 1:51 PM  

VD, for my part in feeding the troll, I felt the need to have him positively identified as such and dealt with, and I submit to your justice, oh Dark One!

Anonymous WinstonWebb August 27, 2015 1:52 PM  

SJWs always try to have their cake and eat it too

But the can NEVER avoid doing the latter.
The evidence is overwhelming.

Blogger SirHamster (#201) August 27, 2015 1:53 PM  

Ouch, the new @ system is completely thrown off by bans. Rather strange to see addressed comments that aren't pointed at the right post.

Good luck figuring out something less fragile.

Anonymous CH buyer August 27, 2015 1:56 PM  

I can't wait to see the book on the next Hugo nomination list.

Either the SJWs let it stay on
or
They admit that SJWs are neither fiction nor scifi

Blogger Markku August 27, 2015 1:58 PM  

Dammit, you're right, SirHamster. Back to the ol' drawing board with automatthew, I suppose...

Blogger Rabbi B August 27, 2015 1:58 PM  

"Ouch, the new @ system is completely thrown off by bans."

Speaking of which, is it me or does the @ function not work when referencing a post on a previous page of comments?

For example, somebody on page 2 will reference a comment on page one, I will click on their reference on page 2 and nothing. What am I missing?

Blogger Floyd Looney August 27, 2015 1:58 PM  

Congrats on the book, sounds like a great start

Blogger Alexander August 27, 2015 1:59 PM  

SJWs always try to have their cake and eat it too?

It's inevitable when you have a generation of girl who can't cook but love to eat.

Blogger Mike Farnsworth August 27, 2015 1:59 PM  

@56

Indeed. And I'm not very good at spotting this yet.

It's going to take a while to learn to switch argument styles once someone shows they can't or won't follow logic. Maybe it's because I'm a programmer, but beating an emotional thinker with rhetorical arguments rather than straight fact and logic is really unnatural.

Blogger Floyd Looney August 27, 2015 2:00 PM  

@57 @61

They want your cake and my cake and his cake....

Anonymous The Original Hermit August 27, 2015 2:02 PM  

@ Mike Farnsworth
I think it's fairly safe to assume that an SJW will always default to rhetoric, because logic is never on their side.

Blogger skiballa August 27, 2015 2:04 PM  

@ Mike Farnsworth

That's a problem I have, I'm a machinist, I prefer logic distilled to it's simplest. That's one of the reasons I come here, rhetoric is an excellent tool to beat over SJW heads!

Blogger Rabbi B August 27, 2015 2:04 PM  

"I think it's fairly safe to assume that an SJW will always default to rhetoric, because logic is never on their side."

Well said. For the same reason they default to lies - the truth is never on their side either.

Blogger VD August 27, 2015 2:04 PM  

Fellow readers, note that the only thing Travis couldn't resist responding to was the rhetoric. He didn't bother with anything else, and just misrepresented them as an aside.

That is exactly right. That's why there is no point in using dialectic at all with them. Just start hammering on their emotions from the start.

It's going to take a while to learn to switch argument styles once someone shows they can't or won't follow logic. Maybe it's because I'm a programmer, but beating an emotional thinker with rhetorical arguments rather than straight fact and logic is really unnatural.

It shouldn't. Who understands IF/THEN better than a programmer? The point is to grasp that it is binary. There are no gradations. They only pretend to use dialectic, but it is pseudo-dialectical rhetoric.

Anonymous WhiteKnightLeo #0368 August 27, 2015 2:06 PM  

Bought it yesterday, am reading. I especially like the "I don't know why everyone thinks you're my dog, but you sure are cute" line.

I haven't reviewed any of the ebooks I've bought in a while, but I think I'll binge-review this weekend. I'd like the people who got NO AWARDED to make a few more bucks as a consolation prize.

Anonymous JN August 27, 2015 2:07 PM  

@64 Perhaps instead of deleting the comments it could replace them with "Banned, because retard" or something so the numbering doesn't get thrown off.

Blogger Alexander August 27, 2015 2:10 PM  

I find it more useful when you add the person's name, so say:

JN @75. That way, even if the comment moves one or two, I know where in the vicinity to look and which commenter to look for specifically if I want to go back and see the original comment.

Blogger Salt August 27, 2015 2:12 PM  

From TechnoLady (unverified purchase) comment (her review)-

TechnoLady4 hours ago

The review e-copy that I received indeed had two Chapter 5s in it. I read the book up until that point where it became intolerably awful.


Doh!

Blogger ray August 27, 2015 2:13 PM  

"I also had to stay in a hotel after SJWs attempted to have a police SWAT team sent to my home. A 350-pound woman falsely accused me of threatening her with rape."


I haven't been accused of rape, but pretty much of everything else. Peeking in windows at night. Saying offensive things. Making females 'feel uncomfortable'. Etc.

Accused not just by SJWs and their zombies, but by U.S. females in general when they don't get something they want, or when I object to some malevolence they have committed.

Immediately, out come the accusations, and soon the police cars (with flashing lights of course!) are out front of the house to provide the Drama and Beatdown that the Poor Dearie Oppressed 'victims' require to slake their vengeance. Of course there are NO consequences to the little monsters when their accusations are proven to be lies. Nice going Amerika.

Tra la la onward they skip, to the next Empowerment Beatdown, should some uppity male somewhere dare do or say anything they don't like. 9-1-1 is just a keypunch away.

Goes in both directions, baby.

Then the cops wonder why they are in trouble, and why they are no longer being defended. Gee guys it might be because you and your courts and government enforce wickedness, petty female revenge, greedy evil, VAWA, overt injustice. That's all supposed to be OK but guess what, it ain't.

The accusation/personal destruction tactics of the American Left, and of American females in general, is noted and will neither be forgotten nor excused.

Blogger skiballa August 27, 2015 2:15 PM  

I swear, it's sometimes like watching the beginning of the cultural divide between Vulcans and Romulans.

Blogger Lovekraft August 27, 2015 2:19 PM  

Rotherham child-rape by muslim and government indifference video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vu7NeLrYM28

Anonymous zen0 the Ephemeral August 27, 2015 2:23 PM  

@76 Alexander

> That way, even if the comment moves one or two, I know where in the vicinity to look and which commenter to look for specifically if I want to go back and see the original comment.

Agreed. That is what I usually have done.

Blogger Giraffe August 27, 2015 2:23 PM  

Skittles boy is playing gotcha because apparently there are two chapter fives. Which he incorrectly calculates as 50% more.

It must be pretty good if that's the best he can come up with.

Blogger Mike Farnsworth August 27, 2015 2:27 PM  

It shouldn't. Who understands IF/THEN better than a programmer? The point is to grasp that it is binary. There are no gradations. They only pretend to use dialectic, but it is pseudo-dialectical rhetoric.

A couple of failing: I assume I can lead them through an argument and they'll "get it" even if they disagree. Clearly, I need to root out that assumption.

Next, I have a hard time arguing to affect emotion. I understand intellectually how it's a great tool, and that it can be used in an honest way. It just takes practice to actually do it and recognize the signs when it's needed. (I just bought the book on CH, by the way, so I'm workin' on it!)

I mean, this is what's required:

if (!detectSJW(allegedHumanBeing))
{
// normal logic goes here
}
else
{
Throw programming logic out, regular syntax doesn't work, don't even try.
Now whack the SJW in the emotional nuts until they run away screaming.

// Oh, and you did them a favor, maybe next time they'll think twice. Now back to logic...
}

Blogger SirHamster (#201) August 27, 2015 2:32 PM  

Speaking of which, is it me or does the @ function not work when referencing a post on a previous page of comments?

Not you. A limitation of the hack they used.

Anonymous Jill August 27, 2015 2:34 PM  

I've recently experienced the bullying. It is harmful, hateful, destructive. I should have known this would happen almost immediately that my family no longer lived in the middle of nowhere. But in this case SJW=people who don't want social justice--okay, so maybe that's always the case. They want what you have, and they can't even be honorable enough to take it from you with physical violence--okay, so maybe physical violence is not honorable, but it is more direct. And being friendly and calm and reasonable works with nobody anywhere. I'm just so tired.

Blogger SirHamster (#201) August 27, 2015 2:35 PM  

Fascinating ... The original troll posts at 1 and 7 were left alone by the ban, but now are removed by the author.

Why would he be ashamed about saying that "always lies" is only in our heads? After all, who is ashamed about saying the truth to a hostile crowd?

Blogger Russell (106) August 27, 2015 2:37 PM  

Travis is taking his comments and going home. Probably to have a good cry. And cake.

Anonymous Krul August 27, 2015 2:37 PM  

Of course they're harping on the "two chapter fives" thing. The chapter numbers are the only part of the book they can read without immediately being triggered to death, so they cling to the one trivial error they can find there as an excuse to disqualify the actual content of the book and escape the danger of reading it.

If they did actually try to read it, the result would be something like that scene in Raiders of the Lost Ark.

Anonymous CH buyer August 27, 2015 2:38 PM  

The "most people can either speak dialectic or rhetoric" "few are fluent in both" caught me off guard. Even as part of the brainwashed zombie armada we millennials are I learned fast on the internet when to use one or the other. It's an alien concept to me that most people aren't able to switch freely. I assumed most can and only a few are limited to rhetoric. The first time I realized some people are limited to dialectic was watching professors debate idiots - and even then my conclusion wasn't that they aren't capable of rhetoric, but for some strange reason are either to proud or too stupid to switch. In terms of winning the audience over they would not have lost any ground throwing some punches.

Most aren't able to confuses me. But well, Aristotle is now on my book list.

Anonymous CH buyer August 27, 2015 2:45 PM  

It just takes practice to actually do it and recognize the signs when it's needed.

You can do a lot with body language or even unintentionally. I learned a long time ago to hide my emotions, to not let my face show how dumb the other person is. Nothing hurts people who are not smart enough for dialectic more than being shown they are not smart enough. A small flash of contempt, a smirk of amusement or outright dismissal works wonders.

Blogger Feather Blade August 27, 2015 2:46 PM  

piggybacking on a topic he knows will be popular

The reviewer admits that the topic "SJWs always lie" is a popular topic?

I LOL'd

Anonymous Sun Xhu August 27, 2015 2:47 PM  

@89 Unfortunately the ability or willingness to switch from one to the other was the reason Ron Paul fared so badly in winning the Republican primaries in 2008 and 2012. He just refused to use rhetoric.

Blogger Student in Blue August 27, 2015 2:55 PM  

@83 Mike Farnsworth

Consider:

try{
Rhetoric(Dialectic(argument));
}
catch (ArgumentException e) if (type(e) == PureRhetoric)
{
throw PureRhetoric;
/* SJW Detected */
}

Blogger Student in Blue August 27, 2015 3:04 PM  

There's two type of checks you can do - did they only engage on the rhetoric? Then they're emotional thinkers and there's a good probability they're SJW.

The other check is if they misrepresented you or a source. Either they're SJW, a con artist, or just made a mistake.

If they tick both checks, regardless of if they're SJW, a con artist, or cuckservative, you won't get anywhere with dialectic.

Blogger VD August 27, 2015 3:05 PM  

A couple of failing: I assume I can lead them through an argument and they'll "get it" even if they disagree. Clearly, I need to root out that assumption.

Would you try to compile code programmed in a different language than the compiler? Or speak Chinese to an English speaker?

Blogger Daniel August 27, 2015 3:06 PM  

Jill, hang in there and use the book. You will go from tired to blood-in-the-teeth exhilarated really fast. You will be a momma bear defending her young instead of the polite target of the SJW covetousne$$.

Blogger Jim Rizzi August 27, 2015 3:08 PM  

[b]"piggybacking on a topic he knows will be popular"[/b]

And so what if you did? I've been thinking of writing a book. The first thing did was look at what's popular, especially what's just popping up on the radar, and if I could approach from a fresh angle.

I could do years of research and write a 600 page history of French Renaissance puppetry, but then I'd be taking a paycheck away from an Occupy Wall Street member.


I'd say this is a good point except...I'm amazed the point has to even be made. Who the hell wakes up in the morning and says, "I want to write boring unpopular stuff!"

When did the act of promoting yourself become negative? To me, a hero is someone who works to overcome challenges, who doesn't shy away from self-promotion, but rather tries to make himself or herself better in every way possible. Better in relationships, better in financial stability, and better in health. These are things I admire.

It's almost like the SJW hero is someone who...what? Throws away wealth, revels in being a victim, masters the ancient art of snark.

Blogger Daniel August 27, 2015 3:12 PM  

I am somewhat surprised these afterschool special eds can even count to 5...which is probably why they are so proud of themselves for getting that far before shitting themselves.

I had an SJW out himself and wreck his own narrative yesterday in response to my rhetoric.

Blogger Mike Farnsworth August 27, 2015 3:15 PM  

Would you try to compile code programmed in a different language than the compiler? Or speak Chinese to an English speaker?

Exactly! It's like learning a new language. There's only one way to do that...

Blogger automatthew August 27, 2015 3:16 PM  

SirHamster: Ouch, the new @ system is completely thrown off by bans. Rather strange to see addressed comments that aren't pointed at the right post.

Good luck figuring out something less fragile.


Yeah, it's annoying. I'm working on something better. You can play with it here.

Anonymous basementhomebrewer August 27, 2015 3:18 PM  

@ 97 Jim Rizzi

That is the very picture of their hero. Atlas Shrugged may not have been the best work, but it captured their side fairly well. They glorify wretchedness. They actively promote a race to the bottom.

Blogger automatthew August 27, 2015 3:19 PM  

Rabbi B: For example, somebody on page 2 will reference a comment on page one, I will click on their reference on page 2 and nothing. What am I missing?

Nothing. Blogger's just stupid. I can probably fix that, but I have a potentially better solution in mind, as demoed at the link in my last comment.

Blogger Allan Davis August 27, 2015 3:19 PM  

Krul @88 - Raiders of the Lost Ark is good, but I think Kingsman is a better example.

VD, Mike F, Student, thanks for the programming-related examples. Like other people have said, I don't switch; I tend to focus completely on facts and details, and it's annoying as all hell to rattle of twelve different inarguable points to support your position only to have the other person say "but STILL..." and completely blow it off.

I'm slowly getting there, though. That's why I keep hammering the Toni Weisskopf example. "Bloc voting to get even with bloc voting" they can justify, but "Hugo stolen from woman" makes an emotional point too.

-=ad=-

Blogger SirHamster (#201) August 27, 2015 3:21 PM  

When did the act of promoting yourself become negative?

Honor/shame cultures don't like it. So people from places like Middle East, East Asia have a ritual for promoting yourself *properly* through elaborate self-effacing comments. "Oh, my English is not too good" (in perfect English)

The SJWs are part of a Neo-Honor/Shame culture, so the digs at self promotion indicate that VD is acting shamefully according to their Politically Correct mindset.

Unasked is whether he is actually a part of their PC society. Everything Is and Must Be PC. Point and shriek.

Blogger Student in Blue August 27, 2015 3:22 PM  

I believe the SJW mindset and Gamma mindset are very, very related.

As such, I believe the SJW hero looks very similar to the Gamma "hero" in fiction - a unique precious snowflake, who because they're so awesome, gets everything and everything goes their way. Anything resembling hard work gets thrown in a montage.

Blogger Rabbi B August 27, 2015 3:26 PM  

What is the craziest of all to me is that they truly believe they are destroying others with their lies. But this pales in comparison to the damage they are inflicting upon themselves every time they open their mouths or worse yet, double-down on their lies.

They have already have their reward, but they just don't know it yet. To wit:

They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. For this reason G-d sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness. (cf. II Thess. 2)

He cut down cedars,
or perhaps took a cypress or oak.
He let it grow among the trees of the forest,
or planted a pine, and the rain made it grow.

It is used as fuel for burning;
some of it he takes and warms himself,
he kindles a fire and bakes bread.
But he also fashions a god and worships it;
he makes an idol and bows down to it.

Half of the wood he burns in the fire;
over it he prepares his meal,
he roasts his meat and eats his fill.
He also warms himself and says,
“Ah! I am warm; I see the fire.”

From the rest he makes a god, his idol;
he bows down to it and worships.
He prays to it and says,
“Save me! You are my god!”

They know nothing, they understand nothing;
their eyes are plastered over so they cannot see,
and their minds closed so they cannot understand.

No one stops to think,
no one has the knowledge or understanding to say,
“Half of it I used for fuel;
I even baked bread over its coals,
I roasted meat and I ate.
Shall I make a detestable thing from what is left?
Shall I bow down to a block of wood?”

Such a person feeds on ashes; a deluded heart misleads him;
he cannot save himself, or say,
“Is not this thing in my right hand a lie?”

(cf. Isaiah 44)

The same disconnect applies. The blind leading the blind. It won't be long before they end up in the pit that they themselves dug in the path of others. Can't happen soon enough.

Anonymous Krul August 27, 2015 3:33 PM  

@103 Allan Davis - "Raiders of the Lost Ark is good, but I think Kingsman is a better example."

No. The Nazis' heads blew up because they looked into the Ark, making it a direct analogy for an SJW that looks into a book and gets triggered.

Also, Kingsman is ok, but Raiders is far better. The cartoony head explosions in Kingsman were funny, but they didn't have a fraction of the impact of the visceral effects in Raiders, for example.

Blogger Tommy Hass August 27, 2015 3:39 PM  

I am suprised that Vox considers the loss of his SFWA membership a negative. What exactly is the "REALIZE that nobody cares." about?

Anonymous Shut up rabbit August 27, 2015 3:39 PM  

@32 Probably looks at best selling artist for each past year then feigns liking them before they were famous.

Blogger Shimshon August 27, 2015 3:42 PM  

I used to get tripped up in the dialectic/rhetorical divide when I engaged a few FB friends several years ago. Discussion devolved into the most picayune lawyer-speak you could imagine. They were (indeed are) classic SJWs. There was one discussion where I brought up one person's avowedly professed atheism as a counter in some manner. I can't remember the subject or why I did it. But in hindsight it was a rhetorical flourish and it REALLY bothered him. He thought I was hitting below the belt by doing that. Now I know why.

I believe this book will prove to be very influential in years to come. It truly is a Rules for Radicals for the sane.

Blogger Allan Davis August 27, 2015 3:46 PM  

Krul @107 - Retracted, your analogy is spot on.

-=ad=-

Anonymous Blaster August 27, 2015 3:55 PM  

Some initial criticism of SJW's Always Lie (am not yet finished with it):

While I enjoyed reading the story about the origin McRapey and agree that his behavior does indeed exemplify the SJW behavior patterns described by the three laws, Scalzi was not filling the role of a Social Justice Warrior in most of the story. The only part where he's engaging in anything that could be considered SJW activism is the McRapey comment itself. I can easily see how a reader not familiar with the history (or worse, come in with skepticism or bias) might get thrown by the apparent digression into Scalzi's blog traffic.

Otherwise-- enjoying it very much so far.

Blogger wrf3 August 27, 2015 4:07 PM  

Vox @73: Who understands IF/THEN better than a programmer? The point is to grasp that it is binary. There are no gradations.

<pedantry on>
Gradations can be made out of lots of binary things.
The problem isn't the binary-ness, the problem is the lack of enough elements to make interesting and useful combinations.
<pedantry off>

Stated differently, their world is too small.

Blogger Rabbi B August 27, 2015 4:10 PM  

The truth is mystifying and dumbfounding.

Anonymous CH buyer August 27, 2015 4:10 PM  

@112
The Scalzi blog story serves two purposes.
a) It offers relief for the reader, makes the book a bit lighter and more fun to read
If you only read dark and gloom stories about war and destruction and how the SJWs attacked this person and that person it pulls the reader down. That story is fun and makes fun of SJWs and is a win. I'm sure plenty of readers at least chuckled reading it.
b) It shows that SJWs always lie
Not just in serious matters. Always. Even if they don't have to, even if it makes no sense to lie. It needs to be a light story. It needs to be absurd to drive that point home.

Blogger VD August 27, 2015 4:11 PM  

While I enjoyed reading the story about the origin McRapey and agree that his behavior does indeed exemplify the SJW behavior patterns described by the three laws, Scalzi was not filling the role of a Social Justice Warrior in most of the story.

You're missing the point. The role of the SJW is irrelevant. The particular activism he embraces is irrelevant. They HAVE to be irrelevant because the SJW Narrative is constantly changing.

The book addresses identifiable behavioral patterns so that you don't get caught up in the superficial and ever-mutating elements.

Blogger VD August 27, 2015 4:12 PM  

I am suprised that Vox considers the loss of his SFWA membership a negative.

I don't. Also, I haven't lost it. I am still an Active Life Member according to the lawyers I consulted.

Blogger Student in Blue August 27, 2015 4:19 PM  

@Blaster

While John Scalzi is not *the* textbook definition of SJW true-believer (as he is also part con man as well as believer), he is essentially Vox's introduction to SJWs as a whole.

He's a bit of history and I'm not sure how exactly it would've been approached otherwise.

Besides, SJW activism is not necessarily what makes someone an SJW - it's just the most obvious indicator of such.

Blogger Alexander August 27, 2015 4:20 PM  

I must disagree - as someone who has been following the Scalzlulz for years now here at VP, I thought the book did a fantastic job of summing up the points in a way that a new reader could follow without digressing into the minutiae. It was an excellent summary that kept on point of showing key traits of the SJW mindset and behavior.

VD did an excellent job there and with Gamergate of really trimming the fat and making the point accessible to someone who is inclined to be on our side but has doesn't know/care about the particulars of the previous and existing battles.

Blogger Mike Farnsworth August 27, 2015 4:27 PM  

@93

Consider:

try{
Rhetoric(Dialectic(argument));
}
catch (ArgumentException e) if (type(e) == PureRhetoric)
{
throw PureRhetoric;
/* SJW Detected */
}


Nice! But, exceptions should be exceptional, and SJWs seem all too common these days. They're in the hot code path, unfortunately.

Anonymous Agent J August 27, 2015 4:29 PM  

Just started reading it, Vox, and you had me at chapter 1. The other day at work, somebody mentioned--derisively, though I didn't catch the scorn--having seen a Chick-fil-a in a mall; , I responded that they made good sandwiches (grand total eaten in last 12 months: 2), and was rewarded with a hand on my shoulder and the seriously-spoken words, " I wouldn't admit that, if I were you" said by someone who could get me in trouble if she wanted to. I guess I know what it's about if I get called into the boss's office: a chicken sandwich. SMH.

Anonymous Blaster August 27, 2015 4:36 PM  

You're missing the point. The role of the SJW is irrelevant. The particular activism he embraces is irrelevant. They HAVE to be irrelevant because the SJW Narrative is constantly changing.

I get that, I just think that inflating blog traffic is not something that most people would consider activism at all. It doesn't quite fit into the normal pattern of accumulating moral authority and dominance. Lying about blog traffic is the kind of thing any mundane, non-SJW liar or con artist might do.

It's a minor criticism just something I wanted to mention. Currently on the the 8-stage breakdown of An SJW Attack, is full of fantastic commentary. I think my favorite part so far is the explanations about why apologies don't work under those circumstances (and the contrast with why they DO work when dealing with decent people)

Anonymous Frank B Luke August 27, 2015 4:36 PM  

>Of course they're harping on the "two chapter fives" thing. The chapter numbers are the only part of the book they can read without immediately being triggered to death, so they cling to the one trivial error they can find there as an excuse to disqualify the actual content of the book and escape the danger of reading it.

I've seen it before, and should be used to it. I'm having that exact experience right now. Tried to explain how the cheering and no awarding of Hugo 2015 were not an amusing put down of Puppies but a temper tantrum.

Used the word gatekeeper to refer to the truefan leadership, one SJW latched on to that, said the true gatekeepers this year were Larry, Brad, and Vox with the nomination scheme, and ignored everything else.

Anonymous CH buyer August 27, 2015 4:39 PM  

@120
And at the end of the book you will know what you need to do to her.

She won't let that go, as absurd as that notion sounds. Protect yourself.

Blogger Bill August 27, 2015 4:40 PM  

Did you see C Buser's review? The review is utter nonsense, doesn't even discuss the book, but his other reviews are.. well, see for yourself:

The story of Ally, Lisa, and the beginnings of a beautiful relationship.
Some will just appreciate the artwork. Others will enjoy the plot. And yet others will read this and understand that Sejic puts into words something they always knew, and simply didn't know how to say.
It's a thing of beauty, and you should read it.

Volume 2 continues the story of Lisa & Ally in a powerful display of trust, vulnerability, and the scars that lie just below the surface.

Anonymous Blaster August 27, 2015 4:49 PM  

@Student in Blue

He's a bit of history and I'm not sure how exactly it would've been approached otherwise.

Fair point. There already is a disclaimer that the incident itself should not be considered remarkable. I think that an ideal scenario would have established Scalzi's SJW tendencies in a more recognizable context before discussing his inflated blog traffic.

While John Scalzi is not *the* textbook definition of SJW true-believer (as he is also part con man as well as believer), he is essentially Vox's introduction to SJWs as a whole.

I actually disagree and think Scalzi is a fantastic example of the SJW archetype. He lies, he doubles down, he projects, he equivocates, he misdirects, and his motives are petty and hateful. He basically does anything except engage in straightforrward, intellectually honest behavior.

Blogger VD August 27, 2015 5:16 PM  

I just think that inflating blog traffic is not something that most people would consider activism at all.

That is the sole reason Scalzi is a leading SJW. His lies about his traffic that led to his perceived popularity and an eventual book contract with Tor. You're too focused on trying to divide the personal from the political. Don't you realize that to them, the two are one and the same?

Blogger Cail Corishev August 27, 2015 5:25 PM  

For example, somebody on page 2 will reference a comment on page one, I will click on their reference on page 2 and nothing. What am I missing?

Just the fact that Blogger sucks. I don't think it's been improved since Google bought it. The same thing happens with the links it puts in the RSS comment feed: it tags each one with an anchor that will jump the browser directly to the comment, but it links them all to page 1, so it fails on all comments past 200. Efforts are underway, though. If it's possible to squeeze better behavior out of it, it'll happen.

Blogger Rabbi B August 27, 2015 5:35 PM  

"His lies about his traffic that led to his perceived popularity . . ."

Is there any way for you to estimate how many unique readers you have for VP?

Blogger Cail Corishev August 27, 2015 5:35 PM  

A couple of failing: I assume I can lead them through an argument and they'll "get it" even if they disagree. Clearly, I need to root out that assumption.

Yep, that's useless. I've even gotten this response a couple times: "I can't argue with what you're saying, but it just doesn't feel right to me." There was zero hope of arguing that person to a different position with logic.

When you engage in dialectic, they're just watching your lips, waiting for you to stop so they can start emoting again. They're like my dog when I talk to her while holding a piece of fried chicken behind my back: she may look like she's riveted on what I'm saying, but she's really just thinking, "Please drop it, please drop it, please drop it...."

Blogger Lana J August 27, 2015 5:35 PM  

Alexandria Erin claims to have read your entire book in 35 minutes on his blog, also live tweeted snark about it, and has created an attempted parody book that is available for sale on Amazon called John Scalzi Is Not A Very Popular Author and I Myself am Quite Popular written by Theo Pratt.

There is exactly one 5 star review of this "work" so far and surprise, surprise it's the very same TechnoLady who also gave SJWs Always Lie a 1 star review.

They are certainly trying madly to prove your point, are they not?

Blogger Student in Blue August 27, 2015 5:35 PM  

I actually disagree and think Scalzi is a fantastic example of the SJW archetype. He lies, he doubles down, he projects, he equivocates, he misdirects, and his motives are petty and hateful. He basically does anything except engage in straightforrward, intellectually honest behavior.

While true, I meant "not *the* textbook example" because he has actually written something, even if it is a ripoff. He's experienced financial success because he's a con man, which is a slightly different kind of parasite than all the other Patreon-funded SJWs.

I also vaguely remember there being a couple of events where he kept pretty quiet rather than give in to SJW tendencies to double down. That's partly why I say he's not pure SJW, but SJW with a dash of con man.

That con man is why he's a "leading SJW" (kind of like Anita Sarkeesian). He's still an SJW however.

Blogger VD August 27, 2015 5:43 PM  

Alexandria Erin claims to have read your entire book in 35 minutes on his blog, also live tweeted snark about it, and has created an attempted parody book that is available for sale on Amazon called John Scalzi Is Not A Very Popular Author and I Myself am Quite Popular written by Theo Pratt.

Third Law. SJWs Always Project. If he had any guts, he would have riffed on "John Scalzi is a rapist." But he's an SJW, so of course he lacked the courage.

Blogger Cail Corishev August 27, 2015 5:44 PM  

How about:

if(person.has(reason)){
    dialectic.use();
} else {
    noogies.administer(type => figurative);
}

Seriously, as someone oriented to dialectic, when I shift to rhetoric, I kinda feel like a schoolyard bully, because I know I'm playing on the hearer's emotions, which feels like manipulation. But it's the only way, if you want to reach them. Embrace your inner bully. If anyone ever deserved to be given a swirly, it's SJWs.

Blogger VD August 27, 2015 5:46 PM  

Actually, that looks like a proper Best Related Work to me.

Blogger LP999/S.I.G. Burn'in Up! August 27, 2015 5:50 PM  

Even more awesome, here is to watching the freak outs ensue as reviews tip in favor to SJWs Always Lie .

Blogger Russell (106) August 27, 2015 5:50 PM  

@131 Lana J "They are certainly trying madly to prove your point, are they not?"

Vox isn't forcing them to do anything they don't want to do.

Or so they think.

Anonymous Steve August 27, 2015 5:58 PM  

Student in Blue - I believe the SJW mindset and Gamma mindset are very, very related.

Most SJW's are weak, insecure, womanish men and/or simply perverts.

Some of the SFF SJW's we've seen/discussed of late:

John Scalzi
GRR Martin
Jim C Hines
David Gerrold
Phil Sandifer
Chip "Hello, children" Delany
Damien Walter
Frank Wu
Patrick Nielsen Hayden
Alexandra "Rainbow Haired He-Twink" Erin

Much as I enjoy mocking the Socjus wankers, I mean this in all seriousness: there is something deeply wrong with each and every one of these guys.

Some more than others, obviously, but they're all broken personalities. It's only within the context of the aspie dorks who predominate at the skiffy conventions and in the literary scene that their utter weirdness and failure to be what we've traditionally thought of as men is somewhat camouflaged.

Imagine someone prancing and preening like one of those chaps in a more masculine environment. They'd quickly become outcasts, just like they probably were at high school.

Now, SFF has always been a haven for the bookish and the socially awkward. Isaac Asimov, Arthur C Clarke and Robert Heinlein were all, to varying degrees, a bit eccentric. But they also had genuine talent and comported themselves like you'd expect a grown man to.

By contrast, SJW's are the most toxic of bottom-feeding losers, and the gulf between their vaunted self-image and the awful, painful reality of their physical, moral and intellectual inferiority is almost as unbelievable as the most fantastical of fiction.

Blogger Lana J August 27, 2015 5:59 PM  

Actually, that looks like a proper Best Related Work to me.

That would be glorious. However, the book was just released. Who knows how much competition it might have by the end of the week?

Anonymous Steve, The Dark Ninja of Mockery August 27, 2015 6:09 PM  

Lana - Mr Erin has had a ladyboy-boner for Vox (and, to a lesser extent, John C. Wright and Tom Kratman) for some time now.

His blog has tens of thousands of words about them. Much of it shitty "satire", but you just know he's also working on some Dark Lord slash fiction.

Gentlemen, meet your number one fan.

Blogger Cail Corishev August 27, 2015 6:12 PM  

"Hugo stolen from woman" makes an emotional point too.

That's a great example. We know they weren't denying her the Hugo because she's a woman, so on a dialectical level, that makes no sense and feels like a lie. But as rhetoric, it's perfect. It's true -- she is a woman and they refused to give her even a chance at the award -- and it pokes at an emotional trigger that many people have -- mistreatment of women. Even SJWs who know what you're doing won't have an effective response to it, because they can't shift to the other mode.

Blogger Were-Puppy August 27, 2015 6:22 PM  

@121 Agent J
Just started reading it, Vox, and you had me at chapter 1. The other day at work, somebody mentioned--derisively, though I didn't catch the scorn--having seen a Chick-fil-a in a mall; , I responded that they made good sandwiches (grand total eaten in last 12 months: 2), and was rewarded with a hand on my shoulder and the seriously-spoken words, " I wouldn't admit that, if I were you" said by someone who could get me in trouble if she wanted to. I guess I know what it's about if I get called into the boss's office: a chicken sandwich. SMH.

----

My friend, that "hand on the shoulder" might just be sexual harrassment?

Anonymous Viidad August 27, 2015 6:32 PM  

We're at #238 now.

Anonymous 334 August 27, 2015 6:36 PM  

@140

STEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEVE!!!!!!

Stopitstopitstopitstopitstopit.

Please.

Blogger Lana J August 27, 2015 6:43 PM  

Steve - I saw that creepy blog when I was looking for something else. That's how I discovered the book. Yes, they are living rent free inside Erin's head and he's never going to have sex with them.

Blogger Lana J August 27, 2015 6:47 PM  

I can't believe you guys ever click Steve's links. How many times?

We're at #238 now.

Excellent news. We can now add Best Selling Related Work to the nomination.

Blogger David-093 August 27, 2015 7:14 PM  

The boycott of Firefox has been very successful so far. Losing almost 50% of their market share directly due to their firing of Eich (and yes I used firing deliberately), while watching them beg for former users to come back has been delightful.

SJWs only win when good people do nothing.

Blogger Markku August 27, 2015 7:23 PM  

We ABSOLUTELY have to get Quite Popular the nomination next year.

Blogger Were-Puppy August 27, 2015 7:26 PM  

Love the psuedo code guys.

But has anyone attempted to make pseudo code of the rabbit brain?

For instance:

for(;;)
{
if( isOffended("Chick-fil-a") )
{
reality.invisible_mode(TRUE);
sjw.outrage_meter++;

// and the fun can continue
}
}

That's suppose to be an oldschool forever loop :P

Blogger Mike Farnsworth August 27, 2015 7:38 PM  

No, no, that's too obvious. Their process is based on an overflow bug. To wit:

for (unsigned int i = 10; i >= 0; --i)
{
Person& innocent = findOffense(NARRATIVE_VIOLATION | MICRO_AGGRESSION);
this->twitter_account.shriek();
this->facebook_account.point();
this->media_cohorts.apply([&] () { return "lies"; });
this->waitForBuddies(); // non-blocking, proceed!
if (innocent.fightsBack()) { /* Vox Day got to him! */ break; }
else if (innocent.outgroups(this)) { return HIDE | CRY; }
// ... TODO: isolate, reject and transform, press for surrender, etc
}

abort(0); // Existence is meaningless!

Blogger Cataline Sergius August 27, 2015 7:49 PM  

@140

I'd forgotten about that terrifying blancmange.

Where did it come from?

Is it trying to mock it's creator by it's very existence?

Anonymous IndecisiveEvidence August 27, 2015 8:13 PM  

I am too inexperienced to shift to the emotional arguments easily. About the only tool I have for that is ridicule, but I have used it zealously when it is obvious the opponent is of the SJW persuasion.

"The story of Ally, Lisa, and the beginnings of a beautiful relationship."
I knew exactly what book he was reviewing. That jackass. It's charming degenerate smut romance. They always have to pretend it's something else.

Yeah I am not going to defend myself.

Blogger overcaffeinated August 27, 2015 8:15 PM  

#CHAPTER5GATE2015

Blogger Dennis Mahon August 27, 2015 9:49 PM  

Reading it now. I'm going to recommend it to a large group of people who will find it very useful.

Anonymous The other robot August 27, 2015 9:49 PM  

Slipped back to #244.

Anonymous zen0 the Ephemeral August 27, 2015 9:56 PM  

I know it is wrong, and it will only lead to regret......why do I clik Steve's links anyway?
Why?

He claimed they would only be used for peaceful purposes, but now he has gone nuclear.

I think Mullah of Mockery is more appropriate.

I feel sick.

Anonymous The other robot August 27, 2015 9:58 PM  

And now #240

Blogger Stan Hai August 27, 2015 10:18 PM  

The accusations against Mike C. moving to VN for "underage sex tourism" made me laugh. The SJW's are thinking of Thailand. In Vietnam (where I live), there's a government informant on every block, and they know exactly who the prostitutes are. Should someone get caught with a child, they'd be thrown in a nasty hole in the ground for 7 years. Or the kid would run home and tell Mom and Dad, who would go to the police, who would demand the perv pay thousands of dollars in restitution to the family (and a fat fee to the police, of course.) I'm not saying it doesn't exist, but Vietnam would not be the place to go if that was his motivation.

Anonymous The other robot August 27, 2015 10:41 PM  

I don't care anymore what the SJWs say.

Anonymous Anonymous August 27, 2015 11:00 PM  

White Mongol here, formerly Half Asian.

The Archetype of the SJWs by the deadly Millennial Woes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y67D7AWr2lo

Can't remember how to make a link at the moment. God damned newfangled thinking machines.

Anonymous Viidad August 27, 2015 11:06 PM  

#240. Oh heck yeah.

Anonymous Viidad August 27, 2015 11:07 PM  

Markku:

"We ABSOLUTELY have to get Quite Popular the nomination next year."

YES YES YES

Blogger JartStar August 27, 2015 11:08 PM  

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Blogger JartStar August 27, 2015 11:09 PM  

The focus on the parody book means they are in retreat and cannot engage directly.

Anonymous The other robot August 27, 2015 11:19 PM  

Alexandra Erin claims:

So I didn't read his book, did I? Did you know that "genetic science" proves that Shaun King isn't black? Ask Vox Day to explain it to you.

I did a search (it's a kindle) on Shaun King and those words do not seem to appear in the book. Of course genetic science does.

Anonymous Viidad August 27, 2015 11:20 PM  

@JartStar

Exactly. We are now in the lead.

Anonymous KC9ZNR August 27, 2015 11:23 PM  

Viidad @161. Seconded. Quite Popular is published by "Hymenaeus House". I actually find that amusing and somehow appropriate...

Anonymous Forrest Bishop VFM #0167 August 27, 2015 11:40 PM  

@146. Lana J

We're at #238 now.

Excellent news. We can now add Best Selling Related Work to the nomination.


There really needs to be more Hugo categories, like PNHayden pioneered. Could add some resolutions for the 2016 business meeting, e.g.-
Best or Maybe 2nd Best Editor of Indian-Mexican-American Heritage Among Other Things
Best Related Parody Of Best Selling Related Work (long & short forms)


Blogger Danby August 27, 2015 11:54 PM  

@121 Agent J
Just started reading it, Vox, and you had me at chapter 1. The other day at work, somebody mentioned--derisively, though I didn't catch the scorn--having seen a Chick-fil-a in a mall; , I responded that they made good sandwiches (grand total eaten in last 12 months: 2), and was rewarded with a hand on my shoulder and the seriously-spoken words, " I wouldn't admit that, if I were you" said by someone who could get me in trouble if she wanted to.

you need to start now. find ways to undercut her authority. Find ways to make her look bad. Find ways to trigger an overwrought emotional reaction. Record every interaction, and save every email.

Essentially she just threatened you with loss of your job for disagreeing with her. She intends to destroy you if you EVER step out of line. I would not tolerate that for a second.

Were it me, I'd be bringing Chik-fil-a to work for lunch EVERY DAY, but that might not work for you.

Blogger Were-Puppy August 28, 2015 1:12 AM  

@165 The other robot
Alexandra Erin claims:

So I didn't read his book, did I? Did you know that "genetic science" proves that Shaun King isn't black? Ask Vox Day to explain it to you.

I did a search (it's a kindle) on Shaun King and those words do not seem to appear in the book. Of course genetic science does.
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That's because the guys last name is Knight (which rhymes with white), not King. He's probably thinking of Rodney King or something.

None of the negative reviews seem to have gotten past the first chapter, or maybe the second.

Blogger Were-Puppy August 28, 2015 1:12 AM  

Oh, BTW, the mention of that is in chapter one.

Anonymous The other robot August 28, 2015 1:21 AM  

Actually, were-puppy, you are wrong. Rachel Dolezal is mentioned in Chapter 1 and Vox says "genetic science makes it possible to conclusively demonstrate otherwise." That is, do demonstrate that she is not black. There is no mention of Shaun Knight or even Shaun. There is one mention of Shauna.

Anonymous Forrest Bishop VFM #0167 August 28, 2015 2:07 AM  

The 1-star reviews are the best.

Blogger Mike Farnsworth August 28, 2015 2:55 AM  

Would you try to compile code programmed in a different language than the compiler? Or speak Chinese to an English speaker?

Exactly! It's like learning a new language. There's only one way to do that...


Okay, sorry for wasting your time, I just hit chapter 10 and it covers all of this nicely. Thanks!

Blogger Cee August 28, 2015 3:01 AM  

@102 automatthew
Nothing. Blogger's just stupid. I can probably fix that, but I have a potentially better solution in mind, as demoed at the link in my last comment.

Have you got a way to temporarily force it to make a new comment page on, say, fifty comments to see if it properly links across pages?

Or should we just keep spamming that post until it's up to 201?

Anonymous Forrest Bishop VFM #0167 August 28, 2015 3:59 AM  

"The interesting thing about rhetoric is that it makes very little sense to individuals who are limited to the dialectic...

"Dialectic and rhetoric are two different languages, and the number of people who can speak both of them fluently is relatively small. I wouldn't expect an individual who only speaks one form of discourse to be any more able to follow me into the other se passo a scrivere in italiano o francese senza preavviso dopo l'inizio di una frase in inglese. Il est déroutant quand quelqu'un se coupe subitement langues sur vous, nicht wahr?" - Day, Vox (2015-08-25). SJWs Always Lie: Taking Down the Thought Police (Kindle Locations 2447-2449). Castalia House. Kindle Edition.

Just delightful!

Blogger bob k. mando August 28, 2015 8:38 AM  

64. Markku August 27, 2015 1:58 PM
Dammit, you're right, SirHamster. Back to the ol' drawing board with automatthew, I suppose...



i dun tole you all not to delete those posts in toto.

but does anybody ever listen to me? hey-all naw.



104. SirHamster (#201) August 27, 2015 3:21 PM
The SJWs are part of a Neo-Honor/Shame culture, so the digs at self promotion indicate that VD is acting shamefully according to their Politically Correct mindset.



while there is some truth to this, it arises ought of Marxist thought and standards and comes from the same place as 'artists' in the pop music biz ( *popular* music, of all things ) who pretend not to be in it for the money and who overtly don't want to be 'commercial' ... and so refuse to learn anything about business.

which, by the by, leaves them especially easy prey for the unscrupulous operators in LA.

Anonymous Zippy August 28, 2015 9:11 AM  

Love the book, gave it a five star review on Amazon. Quick read, but fun. I'd love a sequel about SJW antics, but I like that it's pithy.

I do have one question. Somebody else observed that the SJW men are broken and, well, unmanly.

But I've noticed that many of the women are enormously obese or physically repulsive: The Toad, Randi Harper, K. Tempest Bradford, Depression Quest girl, Gary Farber . . . . Land whales all.

Are they physically repulsive because of their ideology, or did their ideology make them repulsive?

Blogger Cail Corishev August 28, 2015 9:37 AM  

Zippy, let me reword that: are they SJWs because they're ugly (meaning the whole package of obesity, unpleasantness, self-mutilation, etc.), or are they ugly because they're SJWs?

I think it's both, a self-reinforcing loop. Some probably discover that they're ugly and set out to remake society uglier so they don't feel as ugly by comparison. Misery loves company. Others probably get the ideology first, then remake themselves (consciously or not) to fit.

Thing is, SJWs are anti-beauty and anti-goodness, literally. So for an objectively beautiful person with a pleasant personality to be an SJW would require that he hate himself first of all. Or he would have to be so delusional that he couldn't recognize his own beauty, but not delusional in a way that detracted from that pleasant personality or that encouraged him to mutilate his own beauty. That's very unlikely, if not impossible. The contradiction would force the person one way or another, either out of his SJW beliefs or toward destroying his own beauty.

Blogger Were-Puppy August 28, 2015 10:19 AM  

@172 The other robot
Actually, were-puppy, you are wrong. Rachel Dolezal is mentioned in Chapter 1 and Vox says "genetic science makes it possible to conclusively demonstrate otherwise." That is, do demonstrate that she is not black. There is no mention of Shaun Knight or even Shaun. There is one mention of Shauna.
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I don't mind being wrong, but in this case I am not. In my copy of the ebook, the sentence is:

"Some of them even go so far as to claim that "race is just a social construct", which explains why SJWs such as the NAACP's Rachel Dolazel and #BlackLivesMatter's Shaun Knight thought they could get away with blithely telling everyone they were black for years."

I got my ebook on Amazon, and in the front part it says its Version 001.

Could this be something that was inadvertently changed in
subsequent versions?

Blogger SirHamster (#201) August 28, 2015 1:01 PM  

while there is some truth to this, it arises ought of Marxist thought and standards and comes from the same place as 'artists' in the pop music biz ( *popular* music, of all things ) who pretend not to be in it for the money and who overtly don't want to be 'commercial' ... and so refuse to learn anything about business.

That's true too. I think the PC aspect is one level of abstraction up, since our current anti-profit, "Be Real", "Fight the Man" Marxist culture is only one particular instance of PC culture.

Thinking on it more, politically correct IS honor/shame culture. Politically Correct is honor/shame culture run amok with our current illiberal "Liberal" policies and so on.

Anonymous Athor Pel August 28, 2015 1:59 PM  

"142. Were-PuppyAugust 27, 2015 6:22 PM
@121 Agent J
Just started reading it, Vox, and you had me at chapter 1. The other day at work, somebody mentioned--derisively, though I didn't catch the scorn--having seen a Chick-fil-a in a mall; , I responded that they made good sandwiches (grand total eaten in last 12 months: 2), and was rewarded with a hand on my shoulder and the seriously-spoken words, " I wouldn't admit that, if I were you" said by someone who could get me in trouble if she wanted to. I guess I know what it's about if I get called into the boss's office: a chicken sandwich. SMH.

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My friend, that "hand on the shoulder" might just be sexual harrassment?
"



It's a power move. It is what someone of higher social status/power does to someone lower. For a woman to do that to a man is evidence of her lack of respect for him. If you don't remove the hand immediately and point blank tell them you will not tolerate it again, (or some other socially smoother but equivalently effective way), then you are their bitch.

One kind of exception, little sisters or brothers play acting being the elder. Many things are tolerated from younger siblings. Just pick them up and throw them on the couch.

Best way to deal with something like this in the workplace, that's tough. It all depends on the situation in the moment. It requires calbration.

One possible way, look in her eyes, laser eyes, do not look away. Make her look away. Then once she looks down you ask, "I didn't know you felt that way about me."

She'll likely reply, "What do you mean?" She might pull the hand away at this point. If she doesn't you take it into yours.

You don't have to say anything else at this point. Continue to refuse to answer her question, keep looking her in the eyes, she'll probably start with the verbal diarreaha while walking backwards away from you. Expect some kind of apology.

Blogger Were-Puppy August 28, 2015 2:08 PM  

Well, I was thinking more along the lines of a pre-emptive strike against the SJW. It's easy for me to sit here, not being in the situation, to say that. But if he really feels in danger, it might have been wise to go ahead and get that in there. The problem with this suggestion is, from my experience, HR is your enemy.

I hope he can at least realize that he is a target now. It's just an ugly potential situation, and maybe I was thinking of bouncing the rubble.

Anonymous Curious August 28, 2015 3:29 PM  

"Some of them even go so far as to claim that "race is just a social construct", which explains why SJWs such as the NAACP's Rachel Dolazel and #BlackLivesMatter's Shaun Knight thought they could get away with blithely telling everyone they were black for years."

That is funny, because the internet thinks his name is Shaun King ...

Another error?

Anonymous George of the Jungle August 28, 2015 10:27 PM  

(with apologies to W. Shakespeare, a slight restatement)...

'The SJW is but a walking shadow, a poor player
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury
Signifying nothing.'

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