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Friday, August 14, 2015

The irresistible force



I could not have been more wrong when I mistakenly thought Nippon Manju was the peak of modern musical achievement. But I have to say that the combination of J-Pop with metal is the most musically interesting thing I've heard since the first time I heard techno. Throw in the Japanese knack for inimitable style and theatrics, and the total effect is amazing. I'm totally convinced that Babymetal is going to be one of the biggest bands in the world.

Now, some of you are aware that I studied in Japan, I used to speak it pretty well, and although I haven't used it at all in 25 years, I can still understand a fair amount of it. So when I heard "Papa daisuki", I thought, what the hell, why are they saying "I love you Daddy?"

So I listened a little closer, then burst out laughing before looking up the translated lyrics. Because in addition to the music being brilliant, the words are enough to give the feminists of the West a complete stroke. The grasseater males of Japan may be gaming themselves into nonexistence, but clearly not everyone in Japan has forgotten what is at the heart of female power.

And no one knows it better, or wields it more effectively, than a little girl with a loving father. Thus spake the man who doesn't like cats and somehow ended up with three.

Tactic 1
I flatter more than usual.
I give Daddy a shoulder massage
I love you, Daddy.

Tactic 2
Thank you for your hard work. You are my god.
Of course my favorite type is....
 I love you, Daddy.

Let's go! Let's go!
The Great Beg-Daddy-for-it Strategy.
Make a cute pouty face and keep on begging.
The strongest! Ooh! The greatest!  Ooh!
Daddy's going to fall for my angel's smile.
Let's go! Let's go!
The Great Beg-Daddy-for-it Strategy.
I will get it in secret from Mom.
The strongest! Ooh! The greatest!  Ooh!
I beg. I beg.
The Great Beg-Daddy-for-it Strategy!

Because I am a girl
I love sparkling things.
I love cute things.
I love delicious things.

Anyhow, if you're not convinced that they rock in a uniquely Japanese fashion, check out Megitsune. For some reason, only the Americans, the English, the Nordics, and occasionally the Germans have historically been able to do metal, but apparently the Japanese have figured it out since I was there in 1988. No doubt those who think metal is primarily about the trappings and the posturing will hate Babymetal, but those who like it for the music will appreciate the musicianship, the energy, and the spectacle, if nothing else.

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142 Comments:

Anonymous cheddarman August 14, 2015 3:16 PM  

it is my new favorite music genre

Anonymous ticticboom August 14, 2015 3:16 PM  

My thoughts in no particular order:

For all I know those are Swedes under those masks.

The one that doesn't look like a fifth grader makes me wonder if ear reduction surgery is a thing.

And I'd say Germans are more about Industrial than Metal.

Anonymous Donn #0114 August 14, 2015 3:21 PM  

Good old fashioned nightmare fuel. Too bizarre for me. Maybe I should try with just the music.

Anonymous Rolf August 14, 2015 3:26 PM  

I have no idea if they'll be big or not (I'm the last person you should ask about pop culture or fashions and fads), but I'm reasonably sure I'll not be spending any money on their music, and I'll be changing the channel if I hear it for free.

The fact that the females look like (young) children is only the beginning of the turn-off, and it goes downhill from there.

Blogger Updated LP 999/Eliza August 14, 2015 3:28 PM  

A few weeks back, I added a few of their songs to my playlists. I love the choreography of gimmie chocolate and megistsune, inspiring to learn it.

Anonymous Athor Pel August 14, 2015 3:32 PM  

"4. Rolf August 14, 2015 3:26 PM
...
The fact that the females look like (young) children is only the beginning of the turn-off, and it goes downhill from there."



They look like children because they are children. None of the female singers are over 18. At least last time I checked when the oldest was 17 and the other two were either 14 or 15.

Blogger Floyd Looney August 14, 2015 3:36 PM  

Nah, in Japan children are sex objects, they have a huge industry of child soft-porn called U-17 and some of those are pre-teen. Child porn possession might still be legal in Tokyo & Nagano prefecture but I'm not sure.

Japan has some issues.

Blogger Floyd Looney August 14, 2015 3:38 PM  

The Great Beg-Daddy-for-it Strategy

is real cute

Anonymous Sun Xhu August 14, 2015 3:42 PM  

Some of you really need to get over your hang-ups.

The music is good, the choreography is excellent, and the stage production is phenomenal.

Blogger Didact August 14, 2015 3:44 PM  

For some reason, only the Americans, the English, the Nordics, and occasionally the Germans have historically been able to do metal

To that list I would add the Brazilians- SEPULTURA, ANGRA (up to and including the Rebirth album), TRIBUZY, TRIBE OF GYPSIES, etc., are all standouts from a country that knows and loves metal.

Also, Britain in my opinion has been losing its ability to do heavy metal for years. Stalwarts like JUDAS PRIEST, MOTORHEAD, and BLACK SABBATH are still around, but none of them have produced a truly great album in a minimum of 10 years. About the only one of the old guard still kicking asses and taking names is IRON MAIDEN. Most younger British metal bands over the last 20 years have been nothing to write home about.

The country that basically invented heavy metal, has largely forgotten how to play it. Quite sad, actually.

apparently the Japanese have figured it out since I was there in 1988

Indeed they have. GALNERYUS being probably the best of the bunch.

Blogger Jourdan August 14, 2015 3:46 PM  

Wait, wait, wait, figured it out?

What about LOUDNESS?

Blogger Brad Andrews August 14, 2015 3:46 PM  

Does the cross on their set have any meaning?

Blogger Jourdan August 14, 2015 3:46 PM  

Yeah, Didact, I agree, but once one has produced Motorhead is there really any necessity to do anymore Metal?

Blogger bob k. mando August 14, 2015 3:47 PM  

4. Rolf August 14, 2015 3:26 PM
The fact that the females look like (young) children is only the beginning of the turn-off, and it goes downhill from there.



i think they should record something with Rammstein. people's heads should explode.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxuEtL7gxoM

buncha guys in their 40s performing with ~15 year old girls should go over gangbusters.


having girls sing solves one of the typical problems of heavy metal; in typical metal, the vocalist sings in a falsetto or high pitch as contrast to the bass. it's tough for men to sing that way.

given this, you'd think there'd be more chicks as lead singers in metal bands ... but there aren't many of them that can do it.

Anonymous Stingray August 14, 2015 3:48 PM  

Since you put up the LadyBaby video a few weeks ago, my daughter asks to listen to it all the time. My husband has watched it several times as well, in fascination. No doubt it will be the same for these. He's used LadyBaby as tool to wake the house up when we were all dragging one Saturday.

I'm not sure whether to thank you or strangle you.

Blogger Cataline Sergius August 14, 2015 3:48 PM  

FUCK YOU KOREA!

NOBODY OUT CRAZIES JAPAN!!!

Blogger VD August 14, 2015 3:51 PM  

They look like children because they are children. None of the female singers are over 18.

Except, of course, for the lead singer who is 21. Besides, being J-Pop performers, they've probably all been singing professionally for over a decade. And it's not like they're singing "Hit Me Baby One More Time" at 18 like Britney Spears was.

Shirley Temple must have really horrified you. And my little brothers used to listen to some kid singer over and over and over again. Wow, did I hate that "Say Hey" song.

Blogger VD August 14, 2015 3:55 PM  

Does the cross on their set have any meaning?

Given that it's Japan, it's unlikely. They probably think it has something to do with heavy metal. You have to understand that the Japanese understand the West about as well as vice-versa. When I was there, all the high school and college kids had "Engrish" on their shirts and bags that said nonsense things like "The ribbon that becomes you cookie girl" and "Favorite Ribbon Time".

Blogger Didact August 14, 2015 3:57 PM  

And I'd say Germans are more about Industrial than Metal.

That's only because RAMMSTEIN is what most people think of when they think about Germany and heavy metal.

In reality, Germany has contributed a huge amount to metal of all genres, but most especially power and death/thrash metal.

If it weren't for HELLOWEEN, GAMMA RAY, IRON SAVIOR, PRIMAL FEAR, and quite a few other German bands, power metal as we know it would not exist.

And German thrash metal exists today because of KREATOR, SODOM, and DESTRUCTION- KREATOR, in particular, is still touring today, showing bands one third their age how thrash metal should be done.

OpenID malcolmthecynic August 14, 2015 3:57 PM  

Ever heard the country song "God Made girls"? It's unintentionally hilarious. The whole song is literally - and I'm not at all exaggerating - about how God made girls to be pretty and to attract men, and also to drag men to Church.

I can't believe there's been no backlash about a song that basically says "Girls are useless except in how they affect men." Awesome.

Anonymous Stingray August 14, 2015 3:58 PM  

The second reminds me of Within Temptation or Evanescence.

Blogger Didact August 14, 2015 3:59 PM  

Yeah, Didact, I agree, but once one has produced Motorhead is there really any necessity to do anymore Metal?

Well, since I consider IRON MAIDEN to be the greatest band that has ever walked the Earth, ummm... yes. Which is why I can't wait for their new album to hit in September.

More seriously, though, I'd like to see the English metal scene make a comeback. After all, if it weren't for the English, metal wouldn't exist as a genre.

Blogger Didact August 14, 2015 4:02 PM  

@21,

The second reminds me of Within Temptation or Evanescence.

On speedballs.

Anonymous BGS August 14, 2015 4:02 PM  

If we are sharing youtube stuff I liked this Riftworld chronicles https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyYznfv5fDg

Published on Jul 13, 2015 Alar, a dimension travelling wizard, gets trapped in our world and meets Kim, a struggling journalist - or is she a magical sorceress?

"The ribbon that becomes you cookie girl" and "Favorite Ribbon Time". New transformers.

Blogger VD August 14, 2015 4:03 PM  

having girls sing solves one of the typical problems of heavy metal; in typical metal, the vocalist sings in a falsetto or high pitch as contrast to the bass.

That was the first thing that struck me, what a brilliant musical solution it was. The high-pitched voices cut right through the guitars. And, of course, since the girls have been performing for years together - I think they're all from the same J-Pop group - they're comfortable on stage and probably know dozens of routines they can run through together without even thinking about it. I don't think you could pull something like that off anywhere but Korea or Japan, where they have the pop factory systems.

Anonymous Viidad August 14, 2015 4:09 PM  

I'm starting to wonder if you're trolling us.

Anonymous Basileus August 14, 2015 4:10 PM  

There's a bunch of contemporary English metal bands that chart, but none of them are interesting to me except maybe TesseracT, which has an original sound, don't I don't expect it be many people here's cup of tea. The French don't really excel at metal, but French band Gojira kicks all kinds of ass.

Anonymous Koanic August 14, 2015 4:12 PM  

This is the first pedo bait that's actually worked on me. Spike testosterone with black metal, and then condition the viewer with images of little girls acting like adults. I feel dirty, and I haven't even read the lyrical analysis yet. Some roads are best left unexplored.

And yet... must click... second video...

Whew. Managed to turn it off.

I suppose it's mildly comforting that they're older than they look. Another Japanese trick.

I'm evil and I know it. But I'm not THAT evil, dammit.

Blogger Aquila Aquilonis Fulminata August 14, 2015 4:16 PM  

I'm starting to wonder if you're trolling us.

Cruelty artists never sleep.

Blogger Cataline Sergius August 14, 2015 4:16 PM  

When I was there, all the high school and college kids had "Engrish" on their shirts and bags that said nonsense things like "The ribbon that becomes you cookie girl" and "Favorite Ribbon Time".

Valentine's Day was my favorite.

It was also a major problem for the the junior enlisted men in my unit. The senpais of Camp Schwab, who had been in country a bit longer, had some solid advice which was never followed.

"Don't have a Japanese girlfriend on Valentine's day." It only sets you up for the horror of WHITE DAY.

Blogger Feather Blade August 14, 2015 4:18 PM  

When I was there, all the high school and college kids had "Engrish" on their shirts and bags that said nonsense things like "The ribbon that becomes you cookie girl" and "Favorite Ribbon Time".

The one I remember best was a t-shirt with a horrifying obscene phrase on it worn by a very sweet, pretty, intelligent highschooler who came to our company for conversation lessons.

I don't think that any of us ever worked out how to tell her...

Blogger bob k. mando August 14, 2015 4:22 PM  

25. VD August 14, 2015 4:03 PM
That was the first thing that struck me, what a brilliant musical solution it was.



whereas Lindemann solves it by ignoring it and singing bass for the most part.

Rammstein is also big into the stage production stuff.

i'm really not kidding, Babymetal and Rammstein together would be *awesome*.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rr7ymJwx4-Q

Anonymous Discard August 14, 2015 4:22 PM  

Regarding female voices cutting through the din: I read that during the Battle of Britain, the orders of the fighter directors were spoken by women. If you heard a calm female voice, it was an order from above.

Anonymous Athor Pel August 14, 2015 4:23 PM  

"17. VD August 14, 2015 3:51 PM
...
Except, of course, for the lead singer who is 21. Besides, being J-Pop performers, they've probably all been singing professionally for over a decade. And it's not like they're singing "Hit Me Baby One More Time" at 18 like Britney Spears was.

Shirley Temple must have really horrified you. And my little brothers used to listen to some kid singer over and over and over again. Wow, did I hate that "Say Hey" song."



Then the sources I was reading were wrong or out of date or my memory sucks because I'm getting old.

I don't know where you're getting that I'm somehow mortified by their age.

In watching LadyBaby on Youtube it was easy to find Babymetal, it was right there on the same page. And they were good, live show good, not studio good. Watched quite a few of them in morbid fascination. I mean, it's metal, what red blooded western man under the age of fifty doesn't like good metal.

Anonymous Skwisgar August 14, 2015 4:26 PM  

Nope, its dildos

Blogger VD August 14, 2015 4:26 PM  

This is the first pedo bait that's actually worked on me.

Do you also find puppies and kittens to be alluring? There is nothing wrong with cute young girls; the contrast between the J-Pop elements and the heavy metal aspects is just hilarious. For the normally adjusted adult male, cute!=sexy.

Anonymous Fran August 14, 2015 4:27 PM  

Crossing you off my favorites!

Anonymous patrick kelly August 14, 2015 4:28 PM  

Happy Friday to you too!!

Cool visuals, but Gimme Chocolate "live" is still my favorite video.....essential Baby Metal.

Anonymous patrick kelly August 14, 2015 4:32 PM  

"Girls are useless except in how they affect men."

They motivate us to build civilization....then they conspire with our kids to tear it all down....

Anonymous NateM August 14, 2015 4:33 PM  

@28

Koanic

Anonymous rienzi August 14, 2015 4:35 PM  

I have heard it said that all of the truly weird things on earth come either from Japan or Florida. It would not surprise me in the slightest if this band came from Key West.

Blogger Brad Andrews August 14, 2015 4:40 PM  

A former coworker was married to a Japanese lady and mentioned that lots of older men were fans of some anime-like show. I can't remember which show it was, but it was an interesting data point.

They probably think it has something to do with heavy metal.

That was my guess VD, but I wondered.

I do find it interesting that a great deal of anime has very western looking characters. They reach outside their culture in some ways.

Blogger bob k. mando August 14, 2015 4:41 PM  

40. NateM August 14, 2015 4:33 PM
Koanic


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bm1sKc9JsEU

Anonymous Koanic August 14, 2015 4:44 PM  

If I wanted to criticize your post, I would do so directly instead of talking about my reaction like an SJW. I haven't done so. If anything, I was exaggerating my horror for amusements' sake.

I reacted the same as you to the first metaljpop post. This one hit me differently. The costumes were black and more adult, and the daddy lyrics certainly don't help.

Juxtaposing feminity with high testosterone produces arousal. These girls are historically marriagable age, and what they're doing certainly falls within girl game, albeit slightly outside my comfort zone.

If anyone would like to reset his libido, this video should help.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zF2GGh_hWc0

Blogger Jim August 14, 2015 4:44 PM  

i think they should record something with Rammstein. people's heads should explode.

Fifteen years ago I imagined a mashup between Rammstein and Megumi Hayashibara.

I should have moved to Japan and ran with it.

Anonymous Koanic August 14, 2015 4:45 PM  

And yes, I would totally bang kittens, but only in a sack over a rock.

Anonymous patrick kelly August 14, 2015 4:51 PM  

"If anyone would like to reset his libido, this video should help. "

That is definitely more allure raising than Baby Metal.....they're just cute and captivating.....and entertaining .....

Blogger Harsh August 14, 2015 4:52 PM  

When I was there, all the high school and college kids had "Engrish" on their shirts and bags that said nonsense things like "The ribbon that becomes you cookie girl" and "Favorite Ribbon Time".

Back when I lived in Tokyo I had a shirt that said "Matter what the farmer's menswear label will become." It was a beautiful little bit of poetry. I still ponder it's meaning on occasion.

Anonymous Porky August 14, 2015 4:54 PM  

Please keep linking to these. The Degenerate Art Exhibition 2.0 is currently seeking submissions.

Blogger ajw308 (#98) August 14, 2015 4:57 PM  

I wasn't sure if really was Metal, but then I noticed by head was nodding.

Blogger JACIII August 14, 2015 5:02 PM  

Too freakin' cute.

Blogger ajw308 (#98) August 14, 2015 5:04 PM  

You have to admit, it makes great music to read the comments to.

Blogger JACIII August 14, 2015 5:04 PM  

And those young ladies can sing. Their harmonies ring like a bell!

Anonymous JB August 14, 2015 5:11 PM  

" For some reason, only the Americans, the English, the Nordics, and occasionally the Germans have historically been able to do metal".

Vox, I think you're mistaking "being able to metal" with "manage to successfully market metal to a primarily English speaking, western European/US audience".

Anonymous Peter #0231 August 14, 2015 5:15 PM  

The kawaiicore vid you posted a few weeks back was very good. Did the YT thing and found Babymetal, which is a whole other thing.

For you guys who seem to be recoiling from pedo cooties, the lead is 17 and the two back-up moppets are 16. That makes them jailbait and not some pedo thing. Also, one can find just the music if the vidya is too confronting for your delicate selves.

Another free bonus from the Supreme Dark Lord, and this one didn't cost me $40!

Anonymous WaterBoy August 14, 2015 5:15 PM  

bob k. mando @14: "given this, you'd think there'd be more chicks as lead singers in metal bands ... but there aren't many of them that can do it."

In This Moment and Halestorm being two examples who can...and do.

Anonymous NateM August 14, 2015 5:17 PM  

OT

Feminists in Race to See who can be the most broken, earliest in life

Ariel Winter Gets Breast Reduction, Citing Misogynist Attention

Blogger Eraser August 14, 2015 5:20 PM  

Vox's book recommendations are usually excellent...

Blogger Dan in Tx August 14, 2015 5:20 PM  

Kawaii!

Blogger SirHamster (#201) August 14, 2015 5:44 PM  

For you guys who seem to be recoiling from pedo cooties, the lead is 17 and the two back-up moppets are 16. That makes them jailbait and not some pedo thing. Also, one can find just the music if the vidya is too confronting for your delicate selves.

Lead was born 1997, backups are 1999. Video was uploaded in 2013, so singers are 15/14 at the time of the video, give or take.

Just getting the ages correct, 21 year old lead per Vox @17 is right out.

Anonymous praetorian August 14, 2015 5:48 PM  

Dude, if you don't like j-pop death metal... Cuckservative.

Srs.

Blogger Cail Corishev August 14, 2015 5:51 PM  

Does the cross on their set have any meaning?

Probably not.

Anonymous George of the Jungle August 14, 2015 6:01 PM  

We'll have to respectfully disagree. The Japanese have had decades to try and figure out pop music, and they have failed miserably. Their offerings are at best derivative, at worst mindless copying of a few already well-worn simple musical memes done better and far earlier in the West.

For real creativity, look to the Koreans. Here are a few samples that encompass minor chords and fairly complex musical phrases:

2NE1...
I Love You

Girl's Generation...
Roly Poly

Twinkle

Even the Thais have a better musical sense than the Japanese...

Ice Preechaya...
ABC

3.2.1.Kamikaze/Baitoey...
Splash Out

BTW, note that the samples above, are somewhat less than new. There are even better more recent examples now.

Meanwhile, the Japanese are perpetually mired in "cute" (kawaii), and will probably never be able to break out of that mindset, other than occasional forays into derivative extremist copying of foreign bands.

Anonymous Anonymous August 14, 2015 6:15 PM  

The SJWs fear and loath you for many things, but this is the one they should truly be worried about...It makes your racism and misogyny pale in comparison...

Ha....

JohnR219

OpenID simplytimothy August 14, 2015 6:20 PM  

That ain't no Hank Williams song.

The girls where cute, though.

OpenID simplytimothy August 14, 2015 6:22 PM  

OT: Something called HGT (Horizontal Gene Transfer) is in the news and it doesn't look good for TENS. Thought you would appreciate the heads up.

http://www.evolutionnews.org/2015/08/horizontal_gene098531.html

Blogger maniacprovost August 14, 2015 6:25 PM  

I like them, but I can't read Kanji so it's hard to pick the right songs. I love the name of the label too.

Anonymous Anonymous August 14, 2015 6:29 PM  

Fnd:

I wonder if the illuminatti pedophiles are already in the lives of these girls. I have seen some one-eye signaling in the megitsune trailer, but that could be just coincidence

Anonymous koanic August 14, 2015 6:34 PM  

Pedobear is funny because the common premature pursuit of disqualifying adult men by girls without secondary sexual characteristics is one of mother natures darkest jests. It is particularly funny in juxtaposition to sjw, but transcends time by its violation of innocence-expectation and the tension between sexual incentive and friction with sociobiological taboo. A grown man running from an undeveloped horny ingenue is inherently funny. That the man is apt to be holding his head and screaming from psychic dissonance makes it funnier. That the girl is apt to take disqualification as a signal to chase all the harder completes the farce.

Cultures that have eliminated this comedic zone of discomfort are unhealthy because they either breed babies or illegalize teenage sex.

Actual child molestation is best dealt with by slow execution and swift amnesia, and thus not to be dwelt on, in humor or otherwise.

Blogger Caedryn - VFM #54 August 14, 2015 6:58 PM  

The band is actually very interesting, I've been following them for about a year now. Read up on the lyrics for their songs and their managers perspectie on putting the team together, its rather refreshing relative to what i know about idol culture in Japan. Their songs range in dealing with bullying culture, creepy otaku, and talking about the honest nature of women.

The manager actually put the group together as a result of the graduation of Su-Metal from whichever idol group she was in because she got too old (at 15!) and he thought that was an atrocity due to the quality of her singing voice. so he made a band to highlight their voices. And they are already huge: they've been to Rock on the Range; Metallica personally flew out to watch them; and they've done some collaborations with Dragonforce. The metal community apparently loves the hell out of them.

They really are a good, fun alternate route for people who want to get into metal.

Blogger Giuseppe August 14, 2015 7:13 PM  

Well, I am about as musically illiterate as it is possible to get, and I always hated techno and metal. Metal in particular. I call it white noise. As in white trash noise.

That said...yeah...the Japanese have redeemed it. I noticed many things that did so. The first was obviously the energy, the devotion to yes getting what they want, but the willingness to play the game full-on to get it. You can't not respect that. The second was the samurai class microphone. Long before the part in the second video where she shows it as an actual weapon I recognised a symbolism in it that goes quite far beyond words.

And in a way in that little microphone/tanto I saw the geniality of the original samurai class.

That is still the part of samurai upbringing I think is valuable and I have not jetisoned. And in fairness, ultimately coalesces from all martial arts into one, what Mushashi calls the holy part of the the art of strategy and war. Evolve, roll with the punch, flex, take it, make it yours and fire it back into the enemy in a way he doesn't even realise it's happened until you hand him his still beating heart.

As I said, I am musically illiterate. I like Shawnia Twain. Hell I even liked Billy Ray Cyrus. I like Johnny Cash and my favourite song is Brothers in Arms from Dire Straits and a close second is wayfaring stranger by 12 horsepower or whatever that redneck banjo playing band is called, but I agree with Vox.

Babymetal is going to kick ass globally.

Anonymous Joe August 14, 2015 7:16 PM  

"A grown man running from an undeveloped horny ingenue is inherently funny."
I'd wager that preteen "horniness" is very rare outside of those girls who've been groomed or sexually abused, and even there it's probably not true sexual arousal. I also think most well adjusted men would not run away but simply tell such a girl to simply get lost. I dunno. Although there are preteen girls who apparently prostitute themselves in Japan, there are many more, supposedly, teens who do it, via enjo kosai, and there it's just for the money. If as in the above song, daddy will not provide, the salaryman will. That there are various colloquial terms for preteen, early teen and teen schoolgirls in Japan is worrisome - the whole JK, JC, JS, thing.
The running away bit is a common gag in Japanese manga and anime. But then lolicon/pedophile jokes are a dime a dozen in Japanese anime, games and comics, where pedophilia while being embarrassing is not seen particularly as a negative thing. It's also not uncommon for Japanese AV idols to dress up as preteen kids. Sadly this so corrupts the cute aspect of so much of Japanese pop culture that one becomes deeply suspicious of cases where these little kids are used in the industry.

Blogger bob k. mando August 14, 2015 7:22 PM  

56. WaterBoy August 14, 2015 5:15 PM
In This Moment and Halestorm being two examples who can...and do.



yeah? i never said that they could NOT, i said there aren't many who do.

men, singing the falsettos that women just won't do for 50 years.



63. George of the Jungle August 14, 2015 6:01 PM
We'll have to respectfully disagree. The Japanese have had decades to try and figure out pop music



okay.

and when we start talking about pop music, we'll ask your opinion.

this is a thread about metal, not techno-pop.

Blogger S1AL August 14, 2015 7:28 PM  

Hey now, the French can do metal on occasion...

Anonymous George of the Jungle August 14, 2015 7:31 PM  

@73

Unfortunately, when it comes to the Japanese, their lack of creativity encompasses ALL genres, including metal, techno-pop, etc. etc. etc. ad infinitum. It's been that way for decades, it is now, and barring some miracle, it's not about to change.

Like I said, everything they attempt is too cutesy by half (including the latest offering on this thread), derivative as opposed to creative, and displays a distinct lack of musicality.

But of course you're welcome to your unexamined opinion.

Anonymous 334 August 14, 2015 7:33 PM  

@46 Grisly.

Anonymous Sensei August 14, 2015 7:33 PM  

Speaking of Japanese metal, any X Japan fans out there?

Blogger Floyd Looney August 14, 2015 7:39 PM  

@69 An adult should never want to have sex with minors. It's sick.

Blogger Floyd Looney August 14, 2015 7:41 PM  

" the lead is 17 and the two back-up moppets are 16."

Mid-range for Japanese soft-porn

Blogger Student in Blue August 14, 2015 7:43 PM  

@Sensei
Speaking of Japanese metal, any X Japan fans out there?

Hello there, only other fellow.

Anonymous Koanic August 14, 2015 7:58 PM  

"I'd wager that preteen "horniness" is very rare"

Nature has not built women according to male expectations. That's part of the humor.

Blogger Sean August 14, 2015 8:02 PM  

@56 There is a whole subgenre of Symphonic Metal out of the Nordic countries that almost all feature operatic female vocals punctuated by the gutteral growl of the male singer. My favorite's are Epica and Sirena. But there are tons of females out there.

The first female singer I thought actually rocked was Doro Pesch in Warlock and she was German.

Blogger Sad Puppy August 14, 2015 8:18 PM  

yeah, i've liked them since the other time you put up a link to one of their videos.

Anonymous Pax Romana August 14, 2015 8:33 PM  

@46
Since I myself hate cats with an unbridled passion (partly because their poop makes people psychotic), I found myself belly-laughing at your comment. First time I've had the chance to do that here since...well, ok, it's a nearly daily occurrence.

Blogger Curtis August 14, 2015 8:34 PM  

An adult should never want to have sex with minors. It's sick.

Yeah, but who hasn't walked behind a girl(s) thinking, "Damn! That's a nice ass!" Only to find out she(s) were teens.

Blogger bob k. mando August 14, 2015 8:43 PM  

78. Floyd Looney August 14, 2015 7:39 PM
An adult should never want to have sex with minors. It's sick.



and the corollary of that would be?

Anonymous Goodnight August 14, 2015 8:53 PM  

simplytimothy, if HGT happens in humans, then that makes GMO foods even more terrifying

Anonymous Stg58 / Animal Mother #225 August 14, 2015 9:11 PM  

Vox, do you actually like this shit? Babymetal? You're a fucking crackhead.

Anonymous 334 August 14, 2015 9:13 PM  

@63 I get the "minor chords" thing. There's a subtlety there that isn't obvious in the JPop stuff. But in the end, is it any better than U.S.-produced '80's era Bonnie Tyler-type crap? There's a lot of acquired skill but no soul.

Blogger Krul August 14, 2015 9:15 PM  

Meh

Anonymous Chelle K August 14, 2015 9:19 PM  

I like Japanese ska better. To each his own.

Blogger Curtis August 14, 2015 9:26 PM  

well, there is always this: https://youtu.be/73d8pMnMbKg

Metal on!

Anonymous zen0 August 14, 2015 9:48 PM  

88. Stg58 / Animal Mother #225 August 14, 2015 9:11 PM

Vox, do you actually like this shit? Babymetal? You're a fucking crackhead.


To be fair, Vox did take some serious head shots in the Dojo, from what I remember.

Anonymous rubberducky August 14, 2015 9:58 PM  

I don't see what the problem is. Those girls are having fun, they are good at what they do, and they sound great. That's good by me. Thanks, Vox. I sent that vid out to some friends; I think they'll like it, too.

Anonymous zeno the Perplexed August 14, 2015 10:03 PM  

Dudes. One of those skeleton musicians has an instrument with 7 strings.

7.

WTF!!!!!!!!

Blogger Curtis August 14, 2015 10:12 PM  

Kids just don't like this stuff anymore. Dorothy Moore, Nina Simone, Betty Swann, Koko Taylor, Albinia Jones, Spanky WIlson, Wynona Carr, Esther Phillips, Julia Lee, Etta James, Lena Horne, Precious Bryant, Sharon Jones, Astrud Gilberto, Eartha Kitt, Billie Holiday, Peggy Lee, Ella Fitzgerald, June Christy, Anita O'Day, Julie London, Sarah Vaughan, Brenda Lee, Maxine Sullivan, Jo Stafford, Rosemary Clooney, Peggy Adams, Betty Wright, etc., etc.

Anonymous zen0 August 14, 2015 10:18 PM  

@96 Curtis

Kids all about the cotton candy at the state fair.
Emotional maturity is not an option.

Blogger Tom Bridgeland August 14, 2015 10:18 PM  

The cross in the background of some shots was disconcerting.

Anonymous zen0 August 14, 2015 10:29 PM  

@98

that was explained @18

Anonymous nrrl August 14, 2015 10:32 PM  

I daresay our own refusal to sexualize nubile girls because of their calendar age is the stranger thing, historically speaking. Remember, Japan is a nation that still has priestesses. The glory and horror and purity and impurity of womanhood is still on their minds. Paglia would love it.

Blogger overcaffeinated August 14, 2015 10:45 PM  

@10

"The country that basically invented heavy metal, has largely forgotten how to play it."

True. They did invent drum & bass though. England has been much more into electronic music since the 90's. Metalheads might appreciate this: https://youtu.be/dxO8Dheruts

@14

"given this, you'd think there'd be more chicks as lead singers in metal bands ... but there aren't many of them that can do it."

True dat. Although Leaves' Eyes is a notable exception.

@16

Perhaps true, although Korea looks to be overtaking them in electronics.

@19

Yes, if you don't know Blind Guardian you're not paying attention. Totally epic and Tolkien-based (but I repeat myself).

@63

"The Japanese have had decades to try and figure out pop music, and they have failed miserably."

Have to agree there. This Baby thing is just novelty; musically it is mediocre. Japanese can compete in video games, but musically, no. They are too unemotional. There are a few electronic musicians, Tetsu Inoue and Ryuichi Sakamoto come to mind immediately, well also Nobuo Uematsu (but then we're back in video games), and certain neo-classicists like Toru Takemitsu, but generally Americans and Europeans still command a strong lead.

@99

"I daresay our own refusal to sexualize nubile girls because of their calendar age is the stranger thing, historically speaking."

I don't think there is anything inherently perverse about feeling attraction to a female who has reached sexual maturity. Biologically, sexual attraction is based on fertility, which may be greater for a 16 year old than for a 35 year old. That said, one must be aware of power imbalances.

Anonymous zen0 August 14, 2015 10:50 PM  

It is Kagura priestesses as vocals (god-entertainment) fused with the Noh characters that play the music.

Blogger overcaffeinated August 14, 2015 11:04 PM  

Oh and this https://youtu.be/Nu7PnZtBJf4 Meta-metal. It's all gone electronic in England...

Blogger maniacprovost August 14, 2015 11:23 PM  

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Blogger Updated LP 999/Eliza August 14, 2015 11:23 PM  

No really the choreography and dance is practiced via youtube, upped or tweaked, its a great workout as I (God willing) combine some kickboxing if the kpop or jpop girls hit the floor for other moves. Some redid sir mix alots, glut tune from 1991 via nicki mantag.

16!! You need CL in your playlist, 2ne1 is kpop, love it. Many hit tunes, very happy music. 2ne1 will sing in either eng, j or korean from what I've heard.

The O School does a great deal of kpop and overall its very similar to the overall culture spanning the dance traditions. I love, learn and dance it, so fun.

Returning to Japan; High and Mighty color & Scandal are class acts. So inspiring for its beauty, guitars, fashion, etc.

Anonymous Jim Milo August 14, 2015 11:32 PM  

>engrish

Best one ever... don't tell me than a sneaky gaijin wasn't in on this.

http://www.japansubculture.com/its-no-ordinary-sale-its-a-fuckin-sale/

Anonymous Jim Milo August 14, 2015 11:49 PM  


Sadly this so corrupts the cute aspect of so much of Japanese pop culture that one becomes deeply suspicious of cases where these little kids are used in the industry.


See Lou Pearlman.

Anonymous Aeoli Pera August 15, 2015 12:03 AM  

Second song was decent. I still had to listen to some After the Burial songs afterward though.

Anonymous Aeoli Pera August 15, 2015 12:05 AM  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpyL8c5Js7g

That there'll descend them testicles, son.

Blogger Patrikbc August 15, 2015 12:16 AM  

Downloading now, will add to a playlist with aural vampire!

Blogger Patrikbc August 15, 2015 12:22 AM  

Hey Vox, Yoko Ono got Al Jourgensen drunk one night and ....
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WIKqgE4BwAY

Blogger D. G. D. Davidson August 15, 2015 12:50 AM  

@69 Pedobear is funny because the common premature pursuit of disqualifying adult men by girls without secondary sexual characteristics is one of mother natures darkest jests. It is particularly funny in juxtaposition to sjw, but transcends time by its violation of innocence-expectation and the tension between sexual incentive and friction with sociobiological taboo.

Is this dude drunk? 'Cuz I'm pretty sure these aren't coherent sentences in English. This sounds like a word salad tossed together by someone with a degree in social "science."

All you guys trying to find something creepy in these videos need to chill out. As Mr. Day says, that's like getting bothered by Shirley Temple. Criticize it when it's there, but don't try to find it when it's not. That way madness lies. You're headed down the corrupt path of the Freudians and the English majors, who can sexualize absolutely anything.

As a fan of mahou shoujo anime, I have more experience with Japanese pop culture's sleazy side than I'd like to admit, since looking for good magical girl shows is like panning for gold in a sewer, but even I know that not everything is nasty, and interpreting everything through a lens of suspicion is a sure way to bring sickness to your soul, because if you look for it, it will always, always be there.

"To the pure all things are pure," but the corollary is also true: to the impure nothing is pure.

Anonymous Koanic August 15, 2015 1:14 AM  

"This sounds like a word salad tossed together by someone with a degree in social "science.""

That put a smile on my face. Which this:

"As a fan of mahou shoujo anime,"

Made bigger.

"looking for good magical girl shows is like panning for gold in a sewer, but even I know that not everything is nasty,"

Denial. It's not just a river in Egypt!

"to the impure nothing is pure."

Whatever looks most pure and innocent in Nature, hides the greatest horror.

Word salad is a phrase used by social "scientists" to diagnose schizophrenia, you idiot, and by midwits to stigmatize those still capable of writing in the high-IQ 18th century style. If your mental bandwidth is limited to humble forms, at least permit others to mistake simplicity for depth.

Man is an orc who feigns holiness. Aspirants to virtue should practice the reverse.

Any man who wouldn't have those girls pregnant after a month in a cabin is queer and knows it.

Blogger overcaffeinated August 15, 2015 1:15 AM  

Postmodern blues, postmodern blues, shed a tear for the white man at his computer.

Blogger SQT August 15, 2015 2:02 AM  

I love you Vox- but I can't get on board with this. I went to school in Japan in the mid-90's and couldn't stand the music then. Even my Japanese teacher thought their efforts were a poor second rate imitation of American metal. Just...yuck.

Anonymous Koanic August 15, 2015 2:48 AM  

"This sounds like a word salad tossed together by someone with a degree in social "science.""

That put a smile on my face. Which this:

"As a fan of mahou shoujo anime,"

Made bigger.

"looking for good magical girl shows is like panning for gold in a sewer, but even I know that not everything is nasty,"

Denial. It's not just a river in Egypt!

"to the impure nothing is pure."

Whatever looks most pure and innocent in Nature, hides the greatest horror.

Word salad is a phrase used by social "scientists" to diagnose schizophrenia, you idiot, and by midwits to stigmatize those still capable of writing in the high-IQ 18th century style. If your mental bandwidth is limited to humble forms, at least permit others to mistake simplicity for depth.

Man is an orc who feigns holiness. Aspirants to virtue should practice the reverse.

Any man who wouldn't have those girls pregnant after a month in a cabin is queer and knows it.

Blogger maniacprovost August 15, 2015 3:13 AM  

Absurd, the younger two are not mature enough to safely bear children in a cabin.

Also, while it is normal for some younger men, say 20 years old or so, to be attracted to pubescent girls, that doesn't mean it's a good idea or that all men are.

Blogger ray August 15, 2015 5:22 AM  

Is it satire? Yee-ikes.

I'll admit it has a certain underlying, sad probity.

In related news, today's the 70th anniversary of Japan's surrender. Tho based on that stuff above it looks like we surrendered to Japan.

Partly, the seventy year period (see Bullinger on Scripture) means the 'slate is cleansed' and that as a nation, a limited but real opportunity of choice is again before Japan and its spirit. Choose wisely. May I recommend Jesus Christ instead of The Buddha and the rest of those lightweight philosophers? Why settle for dragon princes when you can have the King of the Universe?


Right now, Japan's got a better chance of reforming than America. So pray hard Japan you ain't getting another chance.

Blogger Robert What? August 15, 2015 5:41 AM  

I guess it's an acquired taste.

Anonymous jSinSaTx August 15, 2015 7:04 AM  

Su Metal is turning 18 this year. Yui Metal and Moa Metal are both 16. The skeleton band from prior to 2012 did not really play. Kami band currently plays for them live. Mad up of a number of serious Japanese musical talents. Girls are from the Sakura Gakuin idol program. Their song Babymetal Death is cool. Road of Resistance shows their growth. They are not new, just exploding currently.

Anonymous Sensei August 15, 2015 8:52 AM  

High and Mighty color & Scandal are class acts.

I'm aware of the former, though only because of Ichirin no Hana, like nearly everybody else. It's not metal, but my own favorite J-rock band is probably Bump of Chicken.

I'm not quite getting the implication that because Japan took something and made it Japanese, the result must be inferior to the original. I tend rather to like the uniquely Japanese sounds that result from their assimilation and modification of western styles. It's not like the West is the originator of all it claims as its own now anyway; part of cultural wisdom is knowing when someone else has something worth borrowing...

Anonymous Kyle (Yes, The Original) August 15, 2015 9:48 AM  

I've loved Japanese music for years but I never paid any attention to popular stuff. Ambitious alternative bands like Ling Tosite Sigure and Zazen Boys are making some of the most interesting music out there right now. Wish they got a hundredth of the attention of acts like Babymetal.

But most of my favorite groups have an early 90s indie rock sound akin to groups like Dinosaur Jr. and Sonic Youth - bands like Number Girl, Bloodthirsty Butchers, Eastern Youth, etc. But these guys all look very normal and are all about the music and have zero theatrics, so they don't really appeal to the "WHOOOOOOA LOOK AT THIS CRAAAAAZY JAPANESE THING!" theatrics overseas.

A few serious Japanese artists like Boris, Toe, and Mono have gotten a lot of respect from the alternative music press outside Japan, though. Well worth checking out for those interested in Japanese music with serious artistic quality.

Blogger Sad Puppy August 15, 2015 9:59 AM  

@98

Cross are used a lot in heavy metal.

Also, in Phantasy Star games, the cross usually meant a hospital.

Anonymous Koanic August 15, 2015 12:17 PM  

@117 I love the perfectly unflappable animal husbandry response.

Based on historical precedent, I think it's a dangerously acquirable taste.

Anonymous Jack Amok August 15, 2015 1:38 PM  

In reality, Germany has contributed a huge amount to metal of all genres, but most especially power and death/thrash metal.

No one remembers ACCEPT these days? Sad...


There is nothing wrong with cute young girls; the contrast between the J-Pop elements and the heavy metal aspects is just hilarious.

It is, and the slight Little Sisters vibe makes it even better.

An adult should never want to have sex with minors. It's sick.

Don't confuse minors with pre=pubescents. A 17 year old girl is sexually mature but still a minor. It's not sick for an adult male to be sexually attracted to a 17 year old girl. It might be wrong for him to act on his attraction, but it's not sick for him to have it.

A 35 year old man should react to an attractive 17 year old girl the same way he reacts to another man's attractive wife - she's hot, but in the interests of civilization I'll pretend not to notice.

Blogger Markku August 15, 2015 4:22 PM  

By "civilization" you mean USA. Daily Mirror:

"In Europe, countries who have the age of consent set at 16 include Cyprus, Finland, Georgia, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, Norway, and Switzerland. For Austria, Germany, Portugal and Italy it is 14, and in France, the Czech Republic, Denmark, and Greece it is 15."

OpenID joshtheaspie August 15, 2015 6:13 PM  

Wait... so that stuff in the background is death metal? Apparently I've been listening to the Japanese version for a while now. There are similar vibes in both Ghost in the Shell and Naruto music. I much prefer it to the American version. There's no one just yelling incomprehensibly with the roughest voice they can possibly manage. If you're going to sing, sing. Don't gargle blades at me from on stage.

Blogger Markku August 15, 2015 6:24 PM  

No, to be death metal, the vocals need to be growled, and the topic needs to be the decay of society and how only the strongest survive it.

Black metal, on the other hand, has the vocals in a harsh scream, usually in a considerably higher pitch than death metal. It is about evil and/or Satan.

The stuff in the background, as far as I can tell, is just plain metal.

Here's some death metal for you. Pay attention to the death metal growl

OpenID joshtheaspie August 15, 2015 6:52 PM  

Then apparently the only kinds of metal I like are speed metal and j-metal.
I also enjoy wubs and industrial.

Anonymous Whitey McWhite August 16, 2015 7:31 AM  

The Great Beg-Daddy-for-it Strategy.

Never-changing. So effective.

Blogger LTD August 16, 2015 8:36 AM  

I can appreciate it from the perspective that the music is modern metal, yet without the cookie monster vocals that has ruined the genre over the past dozen years or so.

Other than that, it's a lousy gimmick band.

Blogger Sad Puppy August 16, 2015 10:01 AM  

@127

What you are referring to, I always called the "Voice guy". Most of them can't actually sing, but had to be unique in some way with people like Rob Halford out there to compete against.

OpenID joshtheaspie August 16, 2015 10:04 AM  

132: Well for those that can sing... why don't they?

Blogger Sad Puppy August 16, 2015 10:05 AM  

The band behind Baby Metal seemed familiar to me. This morning I realized, they remind me a lot of the instrumental metally music that has been in Dynasty Warriors games all these years. Are they any relation, or just a style that is popular over there?

Blogger LTD August 16, 2015 10:16 AM  

133: Apparently younger metalheads hate melody.

Blogger Markku August 16, 2015 2:55 PM  

Well for those that can sing... why don't they?

Because that is the genre they have chosen. And it's a genre that has a LOT of consumers.

There's an incredible number of metal bands that never get further than the local pub, with beer pay. Your singing has to be interesting in SOME way to stand out from the mass. Death metal appeals to one niche, black metal appeals to one niche, and so forth. If you go that way, at least you know exactly where to find your niche.

One band that is singing just straight melodic metal, but which is topically in the death metal genre, is Disturbed. But you will pretty quickly notice that the singer has certain quirks in his singing. It stands out. You always need SOMETHING.

I know several people who have been in a metal band for a decade or more, have invested a huge amount of time in it, and who still haven't gone beyond the local pub league. Because they have nothing that would make them different.

Blogger Sad Puppy August 16, 2015 7:56 PM  

I guess that is inherent in going after a particular niche. Once you're in it, can you make yourself different enough to stand out from the rest of the pack?

Anonymous Dennis Mahon August 17, 2015 8:54 AM  

The Co-Optional Podcast covered this a while back: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuX95CRgq80

Blogger Gunnar von Cowtown August 17, 2015 9:12 AM  

I'm a day late and a dollar short to this thread, but here goes...

1. It's not really my thing, but I understand the appeal of Baby Metal. The musicians are very good and the songs are well-written. There have always been gimmicky bands that periodically pull Metal out of the dungeon and expose it to a wider audience. After it runs its course, the more committed metalheads take it back to the dungeon and refine its essence. It's a cycle.

2. I really wish there was wider exposure of Japanese music in the U.S. In the 90s/early 2000, Japan did garage rock better than anyone. Teengenerate, Thee Michelle Gun Elephant, Guitar Wolf, The 5678s, etc., were all freaking awesome. Much like electronic equipment, they took the original idea and just did it better. There's always been a bizarre co-mingling of garage rock and B-movies, and since Toho Studios were very influential, the Japanese had their own aesthetic to draw from. The resulting music was pure, according to Hoyle garage rock that bore Japan's unique cultural stamp without sounding forced or derivative.

3. @35 Skwisgar. Lolz. Totallys dildos.

Blogger Markku August 17, 2015 2:11 PM  

I think the Japanese have a much stronger internal push to whip one's art to the level of perfection, to a degree that seems like utter insanity - literally - to a Western mind. And on the whole, I think this is good.

But on the other hand, much of really great Western art is a little rough around the edges. Think of Metallica. By the time of the black album, they had already perfected what they were doing, but it had lost its soul. On the other hand, Kill 'em All was too novice, it merely held promise. The golden age was in between. When there was still that human touch.

I think the Japanese are too afraid of that human touch, and seek to eliminate it as imperfection.

Blogger Markku August 17, 2015 2:37 PM  

Here's something a little rougher from Japan (yes, it's an anime theme, WHAT OF IT?!)

I think this can fully compete with Western music of that same genre, like System of a Down.

Blogger JCclimber August 17, 2015 7:51 PM  

going to ask my 20 year old Japanese niece about this band when she comes to stay with us next weekend. Mostly just to troll my wife.

These girls really rock. and it is amusing all the attempts at pedo-shaming by some people. Who obviously have zero understanding of the term Pedophile and what it means.

Who have bought into the Feminist Manifesto that you cannot look at or or be turned on by any woman under the age of 18, or better yet, your own age, whatever that may be. Just because.

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