Saturday, August 22, 2015

The Leader of SP3 speaks

Brad Torgersen shares his "reaction" statement to the Wall Street Journal:
Because people will be gloating and/or gnashing their teeth (alternately) I’ve not been much inclined to make any after-the-fact statements. My “job” with this thing, finished the minute the door shut on the voting.

But I want to re-emphasize something I told WIRED magazine’s Amy Wallace: it doesn’t necessarily matter who wins or loses a Hugo award this year, as much as it matters that participation keeps increasing.

This year there were a record number of memberships, and a record number of ballots cast. This is very, very good. A democracy (any democracy) is only as worthwhile as those who keep their end up by actively participating. Past Hugo voting has tended to be remarkably anemic. Sad Puppies has changed this significantly — for two years running. If the participation (beyond 2015) declines, the Hugos are diminished. If participation grows, the Hugos mean more. That’s the real bottom line (in my book) and it goes way beyond which “side” can construct victory narratives.
A fine and noble sentiment. I applaud him for it. And I don't disagree; a larger electorate means 40 Tor-affiliated SJWs can't continue to hand Patrick Nielsen Hayden and Charles Stross and John Scalzi more Hugos to go with the 39 they've already collected.

Meanwhile, Mark Judge of CNS sets the historical record straight:
There is controversy surrounding this year’s Hugo Awards, the prestigious science fiction prize which will be handed out this Saturday and whose previous winners have included Isaac Asimov, Philip K. Dick and Robert Heinlein. This year’s ballot has many names on it that liberals and the media have denounced as racist and reactionary white men.

The group in question counter that they are not reactionary, racist, or even white, and that the reporting on the entire episode has been atrocious.

The group of writers, calling themselves the “Sad Puppies” – a satire on liberalism’s penchant for appealing to emotion over logic – successfully got themselves on the Hugo ballot, and then nominated, by appealing to the fans who vote for the award. The Sad Puppies unofficial leader is Brad Torgerson, author of “The Chaplain’s War” and other works and a U.S. Army Reserve Warrant Officer. Torgerson, who has been nominated for both the Hugo and the Nebula, another prestigious sci-fi prize, told one interviewer, “It became plainly obvious, especially after 2010, that a lot of the classic works of the old days - there's no way they could possibly make it in the current climate because the current climate was all about affirmative action.”

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Blogger Cataline Sergius August 22, 2015 9:36 AM  

We have shattered the all important dream and all devouring narrative that Patrick Nielsen Hayden and John Scalzi, are every bit as good as John W. Campbell and Robert A. Heinlein. Solely on the bass of a cheap model rocket.

They were midgets standing on the bones of giants and declaring themselves to be giants in turn. They weren't. They aren't. And now they can't continue to pretend that they are.

Anonymous RedJack #22 August 22, 2015 10:11 AM  

There is a local sci fi group that a friend of mine attends. The topic of RP/SP came up, and many of the people were saying "Don't they care how BAD this makes me feel?" My friend, a rather rotund liberal Dr Who fan, laughed and said "You know, they don't. They have said they don't. Why is it a shock that they are doing just what the Rabid and Sad Puppies said they would do?"

So many have spent their life insulated from any type of opposition, that when it comes it makes them physically ill. So many of these midgets think they are so mighty that, as Cataline says, while standing on the bones of a dead giant they think themselves his better. They don't even notice that they are in a tomb with the door being closed.

The publishers, both red and blue, should be thanking us. The RP/SP has generated more media buzz, and more sales, than you've seen in the last few years. A few people are returning to the genre who left decades ago (myself and others in my circle), and a few more of the younger crowd are realizing there is a way to enjoy sci fi beyond superhero movies and Dr Who.

Anonymous Homesteader August 22, 2015 10:12 AM  

In 100 years, Heinlein, Aasimov, Clarke and Campbell will all still be in print, as Wells is now.

I doubt those others will even be remembered.

Anonymous Homesteader August 22, 2015 10:16 AM  

And based on what I've read of his thus far, I suspect Wright will be joining the Pantheon.

Blogger Michael Maier August 22, 2015 10:20 AM  

Vox, it was Mark Judge that wrote that piece, not Mike.

Anonymous BGS August 22, 2015 10:25 AM  

"This year’s ballot has many names on it that liberals and the media have denounced as racist and reactionary white men." like "Isaac Asimov, Philip K. Dick and Robert Heinlein"

Anonymous Hugo Meme August 22, 2015 10:34 AM  

Does VD consider himself a white guy or a savage?

Anonymous Hugo Meme August 22, 2015 10:36 AM  

If Wright win it really sot of dirties up the pantheon

Anonymous Viidad August 22, 2015 10:44 AM  

Brave little rabbit.

Blogger bw August 22, 2015 10:52 AM  

...a satire on liberalism's penchant for appealing to emotion over logic

That name alone is a spanking for the ages, based as it is in Nature.

Anonymous Stg58 / Animal Mother #225 August 22, 2015 11:01 AM  

It's really funny to hear these people prattle on about how bad this makes them feel, and even funnier to see their reaction to feeling bad. People have been making me feel bad since I was 11 years old. It's a stimulus no different to me than hunger or fatigue.

Blogger Aeoli Pera August 22, 2015 11:13 AM  

Holy crap, an accurate account from a journalist? Now I've really seen everything.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan August 22, 2015 11:15 AM  

SJW where mental illness is considered a virtue not an affliction

Anonymous BGS August 22, 2015 11:16 AM  

OT: 3 Americans stop a jihadi attack on a train.
"'Give me back my gun,' train attacker pleads with Americans"- I would have shot him with his AK.

Anonymous Stg58 / Animal Mother #225 August 22, 2015 12:06 PM  

3 Marines, that is.

Anonymous balrog666 August 22, 2015 12:23 PM  

Don't know if you caught this at the time ...

"The importance of the so-called “Sad Puppies” campaign to get fans to nominate the Hugos on the basis of literary merit and entertainment value rather than political dogma or author identity lies not just in its push back against the toxic leftism that has infected the field, but in its attempt to reclaim the past. At the very core of the campaign is a revival of the classical values of the science fiction community, where science and fiction alike were equally important and respected, which embraced the free discussion of ideas and where not only was literary merit more important than politics, so was the cohesiveness and friendship that existed within the community."

excerpt from -

Anonymous wEz August 22, 2015 12:47 PM  

Uh, so like, hey baby, a huh huh huh, are you into the hugo's too? And like, who is the mike or mark judge guy, or something?
Damn it Beavis cut it out, I trying to score with this ugly, hair, nasty, transgendered SJW chick. Bunghole.

Anonymous Bhansidh August 22, 2015 12:48 PM  

The three were a member of the National Guard, the Air Force, and a college student (their buddy). Reports keep saying they were Marines. Marines are badasses, but not all badasses are Marines.

Blogger Carl Philipp August 22, 2015 12:54 PM  

@14 Proper response is "I'm keeping the gun, but you can have the bullets back if you ask nicely."

Wow, whoever this Torgerson character is, he seems a lot more sensible than I've usually heard!

Anonymous Siobhan August 22, 2015 2:17 PM  

@14 I'm very worried that the first responder may have been injured to a career-destroying extent. They're talking about needing to reattach his thumb. He wasn't on duty. How is he going to support his family without two strong hands? Will the service stand by him? If anyone learns of any crowdfunding on his behalf, please share.

Anonymous clk August 22, 2015 3:19 PM  

"3 Marines, that is."

I thought I read Air Force, National guard (Army) and civilian ... but good job never the less...

Anonymous LL #0002 August 22, 2015 3:49 PM  

1 Airman, 1 OR Nat Guard, 1 civilian, & 1 European civilian

Anonymous Culture War Draftee #151 August 22, 2015 5:42 PM  

I have a feeling that 2015 will be remembered as the year the SJWs finally pissed off EVERYONE. Even liberals are starting to jump on the bandwagon. It's a bit heartwarming, or heartworming since I'm a puppy, to think that the Hugos was the key battle of '15.
Of course we've still got three more months for the SJWs to piss off more people.

Blogger bob k. mando August 22, 2015 7:05 PM  

21. clk August 22, 2015 3:19 PM
I thought I read Air Force, National guard (Army) and civilian ... but good job never the less...

to weeny Euros, all Americans look like Marines. They're terrified of all us ... right up until they need us to save their asses.

Blogger SciVo August 22, 2015 7:51 PM  

clk @21: "I thought I read Air Force, National guard (Army) and civilian ... but good job never the less..."

Yes. "The Americans – Airman 1st Class Spencer Stone, and his childhood friend Spec. Alek Skarlatos, who just returned from a deployment in Afghanistan -- are being lauded as heroes along with a third American friend and a British consultant who teamed up to subdue the assailant."

From another story, Alek is with the Oregon National Guard and the third is attending community college in Sacramento, where they know each other from.

Blogger LP999/S.I.G. August 22, 2015 8:49 PM  

Attention with more outlets like CNS and WSJ is great.

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