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Sunday, August 16, 2015

The SJWs think they can outlast us

An SJW whose tagline is "exploiting extroverts for personal gain" is demoralized, wants to ban people obeying all the rules as "harassers", but nevertheless insists that they're going to outlast us:
Everyone says the Hugos will survive, and I tend to agree. I think the Puppy voters will get tired of throwing away their money in the name of making whatever statement they’re trying to make. They will also have a harder time maintaining the charade that their campaign is about anything other than self-promotion, because after this year there will be fewer neutral parties willing to appear on any slate. The nomination rules will probably be changed to make slates less effective, although I’m afraid that will make the whole process more confusing and could scare some potential nominators away. In the long run this will mostly be forgotten, but in the short term it probably means that at least two WorldCons are going to have their Hugos basically invalidated, and I don’t like that they have to make that sacrifice. In my opinion the harassment policy should be invoked against the Puppy organizers and they should be banned from the convention and disqualified from the awards on that basis. I get that the Hugo organizers won’t do this, they would argue that the integrity of the awards depends on strict adherence to the bylaws, not arbitrary decisions by administrators. I could make some counter arguments but I don’t want to go down that road right now. I will just say that when a group has a stated goal of disrupting the awards, it wouldn’t bother me at all if they were barred from participating.

I don’t think there’s any point in making predictions this year. With so many more voters than usual, anything is possible. The Puppies don’t seem to be expecting to win, but whether that means that non-Puppies win or it’s all no awards, who knows? Maybe there was a big influx of Chinese voters who wanted to support Cixin Liu and don’t know anything about Puppies. I’m not really invested in the results this year, I don’t have any favorites that I’m rooting for. I considered skipping this blog post too. But then I realized that’s what the Puppies would want. They want people, at least people who aren’t them, to lose interest. Well, voting this year was less fun and more of a chore, but I did it. Blogging about it wasn’t as much fun either, but blogging about the Hugos seems to be what I do, even if nobody ever sees it. If nothing else, it’s an affirmation that I’m still a part of the process. If I have to put up with a couple of down years before it becomes fun again, I can do that. So I’ll see you back here, same time next year.
Yeah, the game journos thought they could outgrind #GamerGate too. I always enjoy the SJW gift for self-contradiction. Even as they make fun of me for not letting go of 10 years of vicious and unprovoked personal attacks made on me by the Torlings beginning in 2005, and as they lament the terrible feelbads that TWO WHOLE YEARS of effective Puppy campaigns have dealt them, they insist that we're going to lose interest and relax the pressure on them Real Soon Now. That's why they want to ban us.

Are they mad, delusional, or is it just wishful thinking? Some combination of the three, I suppose. Meanwhile, Tom Knighton is beginning to sound like a Vile Faceless Minion. He just doesn't care what the SJWs in science fiction do anymore.

 I’ve been one of those trying to argue that message fiction was a bad idea.  I still think it is.  But now, I just don’t care what those folks do. I believe in free markets, and I think the market will slap some of these publishers hard.  They’ll either learn from it, or not.  Either way, new publishers will rise.  Baen can’t publish everything, after all.
 
So, I just don’t care.  They can write what they want to write, and they can bitch about what they want to bitch about.  These days, most of those who are so vocal aren’t much more to me than an ant crawling across the ground.  A couple are significant enough writers that I’d actually heard of them and read some of their stuff, but most of them? Nothings.  They’re the kind of thing I’d scape off of my shoe before stepping into my home, metaphorically speaking.

The Rabid Puppies are not going to stop because we're just doing what we've always done. Grind until we level up, then grind some more. In the last six weeks I've edited two books, written a book, turned in four game designs, and none of those things were my top priority project. I don't think I'll have any trouble finding the time to put an annual list of Hugo recommendations together for the foreseeable future.

The SJWs don't seem to be able to grasp that we can't be intimidated or that every time they publish another stupid, slanderous, and inaccurate article, every time they libel us and call us names, they ensure that our morale and motivation stays at max. I don't know about you, but at this point, I'm fired up and good for at least another decade.

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60 Comments:

Blogger Laguna Beach Fogey August 16, 2015 6:27 AM  

Never give up. Keep going.

Blogger Rantor August 16, 2015 6:39 AM  

time involved is minimal, money required is minimal, emotional benefit remains, yes, this VFM could continue opposing the SJW Hugo nominees for years...

Blogger Subversive Saint #249 August 16, 2015 6:44 AM  

Never give up. Never surrender.

Blogger Cataline Sergius August 16, 2015 6:47 AM  

The Puppies don’t seem to be expecting to win

Because we have already won.

The illusion is shattered.

Even reality hating SJWs won't be able to claim the Hugos represent all fans anymore.

Nor that it represents anything, except their own lugubrious greyish dull taste for message fic and message nominees.

Blogger dlw August 16, 2015 7:30 AM  

> Puppy organizers and they should be banned from the
> convention and disqualified from the awards

Because you're all a bunch of vile faceless minions without independent thought, and if they can just nip off your leadership you'll come back to the fold and buy Scalzi and Jemisin product.

When you've butt-snorkeled a place in a top-down hierarchy, all other groups look like top-down hierarchies...

Blogger James Dixon August 16, 2015 7:47 AM  

> I don't know about you, but at this point, I'm good for at least another decade.

I'm 57. I can't promise that much. And since I'm still looking for work, my monetary status is uncertain. But I'll still be here until the good Lord decrees otherwise. As I've said before, it's my award, not theirs. If anyone is going away, it won't be me.

Anonymous zen0 August 16, 2015 7:56 AM  

I am curious as to why me comments keep getting wiped out. What was my sin?

Blogger Salt August 16, 2015 7:56 AM  

So I’ll see you back here, same time next year.

See you then.

Blogger FALPhil August 16, 2015 7:58 AM  

It must be horrible to live in an echo chamber when you go by the handle, "Silence Is A Weapon". I suspect the irony is lost on him.

Blogger VD August 16, 2015 8:04 AM  

I am curious as to why me comments keep getting wiped out. What was my sin?

Responding to a troll. I warned you this would be a long-term consequence. Blogger is now occasionally spamming you.

Blogger FALPhil August 16, 2015 8:04 AM  

I went to Schneiderman's blog and clicked on the link to Yes! Magazine at the bottom. In the banner at the top of the page, there is the word, "Beta". When you scroll down into the content, you see how appropriate the Beta descriptor is. Again, I think the irony escapes them.

Anonymous Steve August 16, 2015 8:08 AM  

I don't know about you, but at this point, I'm good for at least another decade.

Till a' the seas gang dry, Dread Liege.
And the rocks melt wi’ the sun:
I will be rabid still, Dark Lord,
While the sands o’ life shall run.


With apologies to the Bard of Ayrshire.

Anonymous Godfrey August 16, 2015 8:14 AM  

The SJW's are the establishment. They're The System.

We're the opposition. We're the rebels. We're the counter-culture. We're the non-conformists. Naturally we'll undermine and grind away until their corrupt oppressive system collapses. That's just the nature of things.

It's easier to destroy a structure than to build one. We learned that from them. So keep swinging your sledgehammers.

Blogger Hohokam71 August 16, 2015 8:16 AM  

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Anonymous Godfrey August 16, 2015 8:22 AM  

Just keep pounding and pounding and pounding away on their despicable oppressive system.

You have no other choice. Your very existence is an affront to them and your way of life is an act of defiance.

Blogger Giuseppe August 16, 2015 8:28 AM  

It's like martial arts. After a while it just becomes a way of life. Given that I have consciously and consistently hated SJWs since before they had a name or I even knew what Cultural Marxism was, there really is no chance of me stopping doing whatever I can to burn their warrens to the ground after 3 decades of consistency.

Anonymous PhillipGeorge©2015 August 16, 2015 8:31 AM  

Last man standing is a reasonable concept for a challenge.
t - 39 and counting[
I suggest Isaac Newton's biggest contribution of all has been subtly missed.
People made a big deal of Einstein's time-space and maybe missed the problem of time completely. 4 dimensions suggests everything is perfectly immobile like the data on a DVD. All those static bits get put in a machine to create the illusion of motion to an observer not on the disk.
So was Newton seeing the future or reading the book which foretold the future or reading the book which makes the future or listening to the author of the book that foretells the future or makes it,,,,,if the future hasn't happened yet, .
10 years may not be an option,

Blogger Cail Corishev August 16, 2015 9:04 AM  

SJWs always project. Most of them would have given up by now if they could. They don't care about SF, gaming, open source, or whatever -- not enough to really sacrifice anything for it. This guy doesn't even want to have to bother following their own rules for the couple years that he thinks it'll take -- too much trouble and sacrifice.

But they can't give up and go away as they'd like, because they've carved out too much status and profit to replace easily. There's a good living in writing tie-in pulp novels or taking donations for being a professional SJW "activist." What are they gonna do, get real jobs? Not for the money they're making now, not to mention the applause. So they have to fight to protect their fiefdoms, but they don't like it.

Anonymous The Original Arrogant Steelers Fan August 16, 2015 9:19 AM  

Funny... this SJW wants to ban voting from democracy. Their lunacy knows no bounds. Reminds me of the local sheriff here. He's a security obsessed SJW who said at a town meeting here recently that "the public should be banned from the public." Yeah.

Blogger Steveo #238 August 16, 2015 9:29 AM  

For the cost of a movie for a family of four, I for one have had tremendous gain riding with ye Knights Templar of the culture wars. Cry - Non nobis Domine, non nobis, sed nomini to da gloriam! - in this Battle of the Hugo! We ride!

Blogger Mr.MantraMan August 16, 2015 9:32 AM  

A SJW has one glaring weakness at least to me, and that is themselves. A typical conservative will follow his script of honorably debating whatever topic a SJW is whining about, but the conservative will always and I mean always turn it into an abstract intellectual blah, blah, blah. This leaves the SJW unscathed free to whine and assume the mantel of moral authority while the conservative flails about trying to think of what was written in some great book to bring to the argument.

Till the Rabid Puppies came along and made the SJW themselves the focus and not the SJW contentless jibber jabber.

Anonymous Harsh August 16, 2015 10:05 AM  

Heheh... two years and they're already buckling under the pressure. They don't have much fight in them when the battle turns against them.

Anonymous Shut up rabbit August 16, 2015 10:13 AM  

Never Surrender - Saxon

Anonymous REG August 16, 2015 10:48 AM  

Well 74 here, and the arteries are clearing out, blood pressure dropping into normal range, I don't know about ten years, but, I think I can outlast two years anyway, so keep up the pressure. I'll help in the push back.

Anonymous BigGaySteve August 16, 2015 10:59 AM  

throwing away their money in the name of making whatever statement they’re trying to make.

LOL $40 bucks for a year long pass to an all you can eat buffet of schadenfreude, and you possibly can get some good sci fi stories to read as well since the puppies campaign started. That's about the cost of 4 packs of cigarettes. To compare value look at what $100 buys you. http://www.rt.com/usa/312296-mayor-patronizes-HIV-prostitute/

Anonymous T.L. Knighton August 16, 2015 11:02 AM  

Vox, nothing personal, but I'm not interested in being a Vile Faceless Minion.

I'm bucking for full evil overlord status in my own right. :D

Blogger Jack Ward August 16, 2015 11:03 AM  

Orders are:

Stand to..
Fix bayonets..
Lock magazines..
Load round..
Stand firm, the line..

Remember; they are all savages. If they break our line they can do mischief. But, they cannot break us. We are sane, honorable, strong and unyielding. All those things they can never be short of an epiphany of Divine proportions.
Read and re-read our Philosopher John C. Wright;s Restless Heart of Darkness and KNOW.

Blogger JCclimber August 16, 2015 11:08 AM  

It really must chafe their hides to read about the productivity of those who are more highly functional than they.

The SJWs I know in real life are sad sacks who have dead end jobs, and often live off the charity of others including relatives and significant others.

I strongly suspect that $40 is a very large chunk of change to their measly budgets. Not that most of them have a budget, because that would require too much logical thinking and planning.

But this whole thing has been very educational to see exactly how much they DO project their own internal motivations onto other people. This has been useful to me for predicting the behavior of some people where I work, so it has a professional use as well as entertainment value. Also, being able to more quickly identify SJWs in the workplace and elsewhere lets me know whom to avoid or eviscerate, depending on what is more advantageous to the long term strategy.

Blogger Blume August 16, 2015 11:09 AM  

Well evidently we can give out scholarships so just hit a minion up.

Anonymous BGS August 16, 2015 11:16 AM  

Maybe there was a big influx of Chinese voters who wanted to support Cixin Liu and don’t know anything about Puppies.

Maybe there are a bunch of homeless illiterate crack hoes who wanted to support water falling upward. Never mind only 75 "scholarships" where available . Well at least ACORN can take them to vote in presidential elections.

But then I realized that’s what the Puppies would want.

We also want you to shower multiple times a week & not defecate in hallways like they do at the EPA.

Blogger Sad Puppy August 16, 2015 11:23 AM  

@26

Rock on. Carve out some territory on the Puppy Kerfluffle map :P

Anonymous Jeff Duntemann August 16, 2015 11:29 AM  

What the anti-puppies really don't seem to understand is that the more noise they make, the more people hear about the Puppies and go, "Hey, that's *me*! Cool!" Boom! More Puppies! It's an interesting sort of war in which your enemies do all your recruiting for you.

Of course, it's all about feelz, and Streisand be damned.

Blogger VD August 16, 2015 11:52 AM  

I'm bucking for full evil overlord status in my own right.

There is room for many Dark Lords and Ladies in the Evil Legion of Evil. Amass enough skulls and you will be recognized.

Blogger Alexandru August 16, 2015 11:53 AM  

@32 Exactly. I never would of known about Vox or any of this if it wasn't for the SJW having vapors on r/fantasy attacking white male writers etc. and almost weekly whine post of "not enough female writers!" I came here and realized that the evil monsters were actually well spoken intelligent commentators and the "victims" were frothing at the mouth crazies. Keep up the fight Vox.

Blogger Danby August 16, 2015 12:18 PM  

I'm bucking for full evil overlord status in my own right.

Maybe not evil overlord status, yet but a rank. Say OberKommandant of the Vile Faceless Space Marines.


throwing away their money in the name of making whatever statement they’re trying to make.

Category error. We're not trying to make a point. We're trying to defeat, humiliate, and crush them.

Anonymous Satan's Hamster August 16, 2015 12:26 PM  

@34: "I never would of known about Vox or any of this if it wasn't for the SJW having vapors on r/fantasy attacking white male writers etc."

Indeed. SJWs are all the advertising Vox needs; I'd never heard of him until SJWs started spouting venom across the web, then I looked at what he'd actually said rather than what they claimed he'd said, and figured out he was one of the most sensible voices on the Web.

Oh, yeah, and I've bought more Vox/Wright/Kratman/Creveld/Grant books since then than I'd bought SF books in total for the last ten years.

As for outlasting us, well, I'm in this for the rest of my life, because SJWs want to eliminate diversity, and build a world where everyone thinks and acts like them. So I have no other choice.

Blogger Douglas Wardell August 16, 2015 12:35 PM  

I'm not going anywhere.

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Blogger Remo - Vile Faceless Minion #99 August 16, 2015 1:06 PM  

Okay I have a confession to make - I care. Now its not a deep kind of caring that I would have for say someone I love but the thought of an SJW wetting its pants is pleasing to me and so I will soldier on until no dry undies are too be found in their camp. Also I want to be one of the first to visit the hall of skulls, hopefully with a pic next to Scalzis shrunken head (the one on top).

Blogger Harsh August 16, 2015 1:20 PM  

LOL $40 bucks for a year long pass to an all you can eat buffet of schadenfreude, and you possibly can get some good sci fi stories to read as well since the puppies campaign started.

I don't think they understand that we're not SJWs and most of us have real jobs. $40 isn't much to spend for all the entertainment value (and free books). I spent more than $40 last night at the ballpark on beer and hot dogs.

Blogger Thucydides August 16, 2015 1:25 PM  

Simply ignoring SJW's is a very powerful weapon, since their self worth is heavily invested in their form of evangelism. In many ways they are worse than a Jehova's witness on your doorstep because you can always ask the Witness to leave and stop trespassing, the SJW's are already inside the itches, lounging in the living room couch and sneaking upstairs at your place of work, academia, media, bureaucracies and wherever else they can gain entry. Deny them the platform to speak, or invalidate their message as having no relevance to you, you family and friends, your organiation.

If you are not in a position to ignorer them, then the next best weapon is to laugh at them. Whenever they make a contradictory statement (at your place of work etc.) then call them on it and point out that their position does not make sense based on their last pronouncement. While you will probably be subjected to attacks meant to silence you, the mere fact that you stood up to them and made them look ridiculous will be noted, and hopefully inspire the next person to make a stand (better yet, the next two people). In any event , their moral and even organizational authority will have been compromised, and they will likely be less trouble in the future. They will certainly be going back into their shells to avoid being laughed at again.

Crushing them is a pleasure to be repeated over and over again....

Anonymous Jack Amok August 16, 2015 2:02 PM  

In my opinion the harassment policy should be invoked against the Puppy organizers and they should be banned from the convention and disqualified from the awards on that basis.

Brave SJWs, wishing the mean people disagreeing with them would be legislated away.

Anonymous Androsynth August 16, 2015 2:03 PM  

I never would of known about Vox or any of this if it wasn't for the SJW having vapors on r/fantasy attacking white male writers etc. and almost weekly whine post of "not enough female writers!"

Same. I found out about Vox a couple years ago after stumbling on some SJWs whining about him while reading something totally unrelated. This site's been a daily read ever since.

Anonymous A Reader August 16, 2015 2:09 PM  

The blogger says "The Puppies don’t seem to be expecting to win, but whether that means that non-Puppies win or it’s all no awards, who knows? "

No. I interpret the Puppies as talking modestly. As the saying goes, "Don't count your chickens before they're hatched."

My sense is that the Puppes will have at least some wins. Browsing the internet, my impression is that for every SJW who advocates No Award there are at least two who say they support a Puppie candidate.

I will go further, and say a voting bloc is now in place that will have influence in the years to come. Liberal-left writers such as Scalzi and Charles Stross, from now on, will never be nominated for an Hugo Award, let alone win it.

Blogger ajw308 (#98) August 16, 2015 2:18 PM  

I'm not vested in the results this year
SJW's always lie.

Anonymous Jim Milo August 16, 2015 3:02 PM  

McRapey on the blog roll tells me all I need to know.

Anonymous freddie_mac August 16, 2015 3:18 PM  

@34. Agreed. I'd essentially dropped out of SFF over the past decade, following fewer and fewer writers (and they were mostly writing crap), and re-reading old treasured novels. In the past few months, I've spent $200+ on new books (okay, new to me), and my list of authors to check keeps growing. S/RP has revitalized my interest in the genre I've loved for years ... I'm not giving up.

Anonymous Jim Milo August 16, 2015 3:22 PM  

They throw the 'insult' of mom's basement while at the same time laundering their family money so they shove their mom into a welfare old folks home that they don't have to pay for.

My parents are in their own home, in their 80s and there is no way I'do warehouse them, regardless of the fifth.

Anonymous Jim Milo August 16, 2015 3:26 PM  

Heh, same here. Vox and Karen Straghan finally got me out of my fog. It's also nice not to have that rooster crowing three times because Christian fath is soggy knees or whatever.

Blogger T.L. Knighton August 16, 2015 3:30 PM  

I'm working on it. Got a couple. Still need more.

There will never be enough, however. I could build a Taj Mahal out of skulls, and it will never be enough. :D

Anonymous GreyS August 16, 2015 3:37 PM  

Hey-- it's fun, it's cheap, it does good for society. And that's just the SF/F part. Lose interest?!? We're expanding our outlook and finding new territories to conquer. I expect there to be divisions and categories over which various DLs rule.

Anonymous balrog666 August 16, 2015 3:47 PM  

@34. Agreed. I'd essentially dropped out of SFF over the past decade, following fewer and fewer writers (and they were mostly writing crap), and re-reading old treasured novels. In the past few months, I've spent $200+ on new books (okay, new to me), and my list of authors to check keeps growing. S/RP has revitalized my interest in the genre I've loved for years ... I'm not giving up.

Well said!

Blogger ray August 16, 2015 6:29 PM  

"If I have to put up with a couple of down years before it becomes fun again, I can do that."


Whoo! I love this. So inspiring. Golly he'd have held Pork Chop Hill for, oh, at least three minutes :O) And only gave it up after the enemy demanded it, calling him a Homophobe and Sexist.

We'll see how you do putting up with a couple down EONS, boss. After which it'll get even less fun. In fact, eventually you won't even remember what 'fun' was. That you ever had it. Consider it a blessing from Yahweh Lord as you won't be pining for it thencefrom.

Me, I'm in it for the eternity. Or until complete victory and I don't have to do this anymore, meaning Christ is enthroned and all the fat Lie-on mouths are shut, arrogant faces kissing dirt.

Until then it's just another day at the job, we all got one.

That's a future worth praying to Father for. So I did.

Anonymous Rolf August 16, 2015 7:37 PM  

Hohokam71 - I hear you. Nearly the same path for me, except I took up the writing side before I found the dark side...

I don't have the drive to make a good Dark Lord... uh, well, you know what I mean.

OTOH, I think I'm at least a smidgen above (and maybe a tad to the side) of VFM status because I like arguing too much.

So I aspire to be a reliable henchman, occasional crony, and part-time unindicted co-conspirator.

Blogger John Wright August 16, 2015 11:42 PM  

@36:

"Oh, yeah, and I've bought more Vox/Wright/Kratman/Creveld/Grant books since then than I'd bought SF books in total for the last ten years.

As for outlasting us, well, I'm in this for the rest of my life, because SJWs want to eliminate diversity, and build a world where everyone thinks and acts like them. So I have no other choice."

Bless you, Satan's Hamster.

I say that for two reasons. First, I would like heaven to bless you, because you have done me a good turn by buying my wares, and because you oppose the Morlocks for the same reason I do: they will eat us otherwise.

Second, and far more importantly, I have never written these four words "Bless you, Satan's Hamster" in that order before in my life, and never will again, and it was on the list of things I wanted to do before I die.

Blogger Sad Puppy August 17, 2015 10:27 AM  

@53

Whoo! I love this. So inspiring. Golly he'd have held Pork Chop Hill for, oh, at least three minutes :O) And only gave it up after the enemy demanded it, calling him a Homophobe and Sexist.
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He who gives up Pork Chop hill must immediately surrender 100 skulls.

Blogger Sgt Polite August 17, 2015 11:12 AM  

SJWs like all progressives are a Death Cult, they will outlast nothing.They're not having babies, and they're unfit mentally and physically to deal with the coming collapse they have engineered.

Anonymous Ain August 17, 2015 3:35 PM  

Add some glasses to this version of Vivian and she looks just like a few fat angry redheaded lesbians I know.

Blogger Jim August 17, 2015 10:36 PM  

"There is room for many Dark Lords and Ladies in the Evil Legion of Evil. Amass enough skulls and you will be recognized."


Where do we drop the skulls off? and er, hypothetically, is it okay if they've been... gnawed... a bit...?

Anonymous Satan's Hamster August 18, 2015 12:33 AM  

"Bless you, Satan's Hamster."

Thank you. And I just bought a copy of Somewhither, which Amazon has been recommending to me for a while :).

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