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Tuesday, August 18, 2015

The War for the West

As with most wars, winning this one will be a matter of will, not strength or numbers:
The six-page policy paper, to secure America’s border and send back aliens here illegally, released by Trump last weekend, is the toughest, most comprehensive, stunning immigration proposal of the election cycle.

The Trump folks were aided by people around Sen. Jeff Sessions, who says Trump’s plan “re-establishes the principle that America’s immigration laws should serve the interests of its own citizens.”

The issue is joined, the battle lines are drawn, and the GOP will debate and may decide which way America shall go. And the basic issues – how to secure our borders, whether to repatriate the millions here illegally, whether to declare a moratorium on immigration into the USA – are part of a greater question.

Will the West endure or disappear by the century’s end as another lost civilization? Mass immigration, if it continues, will be more decisive in deciding the fate of the West than Islamist terrorism. For the world is invading the West.
Ignore all the shrieking cuckservatives and Corporate Republicans. If the immigration issue is not addressed, if the mass movement of people is not stopped, if the tens of millions of invaders, legal and illegal, are not repatriated, none of the other policy issues matter.

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Anonymous Discard August 18, 2015 3:03 PM  

Trump is speaking truth to power.

Blogger Rabbi B August 18, 2015 3:11 PM  

"Mass immigration, if it continues, will be more decisive in deciding the fate of the West than Islamist terrorism."

Those we allow to remain will become barbs in our eyes and thorns in our sides. The only thing they have to offer is trouble.

“re-establishes the principle that America’s immigration laws should serve the interests of its own citizens.”

It's true everywhere else outside America.

Anonymous Anonymous August 18, 2015 3:13 PM  

Oswald Spengler's "Decline of the West" being realized, alas.

Blogger Laguna Beach Fogey August 18, 2015 3:26 PM  

It all comes down to Race and the National Question, as much as it might piss off the cocktail conservative set.

The cuckservatives and Corporate Republicans are going to be hating life.

Race War.

Anonymous Orvil August 18, 2015 3:31 PM  

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Blogger JartStar August 18, 2015 3:32 PM  

Germany, which took in 174,000 asylum seekers last year, is on schedule to take in 500,000 this year. Yet Germany is smaller than Montana.

500,000?! That's a city. Even if every German citizen was happy to see them I wonder if this is even economically feasible regardless of effort.

Anonymous Orvil August 18, 2015 3:33 PM  

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Blogger Danby August 18, 2015 3:34 PM  

The pro-immigration forces been able to keep on target by denying us air. With Adelson's and Soros' money, they've co-opted all the Reasonable and Responsible politicians. With their previously established control of the airwaves, there was simply no way for the message to get out there.
Thanks to Trump (and it is thanks to him, all you Trump haters) the message can now be articulated and won't be simply ignored. I don't think Trump actually believes any of it, but it's obviously what the rubes want, and Trump knows how to cater to rubes.
There is a huge political pressure in this country for an immigration policy that actually serves the interests of working people. That is what is going to drive this election.
About time.

Blogger Danby August 18, 2015 3:38 PM  

Orvil, you are a gold-plated ass
"Immigration is a distraction that means nothing."
Said the Romans, the Pretanni, the Iriquois.

"Trump is a dolt. Either he doesn't understand repatriation is impossible or he knows it and is choosing to lie."
Please, elaborate how it is impossible to repatriate illegal aliens. assault rifles, trucks, border, there you go.

Anonymous Ron August 18, 2015 3:44 PM  

Always interesting around election time seeing what crawls out of the woodwork here. Should be fun.

Orvil nothing is more important to election reform than who is allowed to participate and in that respect, immigration reform is central.

Anonymous Discard August 18, 2015 3:47 PM  

Orvil: For many centuries, the West was ruled by kings and lords. No elections, except when princes elected a new emperor or cardinals elected a Pope. It was still the West. But replace the people, and the West becomes nothing more than a geographical description. Perhaps that is your hope?

Anonymous Mr. Rational August 18, 2015 3:48 PM  

I'm waiting for the first state, county or other region which limits the franchise for local elections (especially tax matters) to property owners.

Blogger JartStar August 18, 2015 3:51 PM  

Truly, the question is, "Does the West want to live anymore?". Given the culture of death which has consumed it perhaps not, but the final chapter has not been written.

Blogger Noah B #120 August 18, 2015 3:52 PM  

"500,000?! That's a city. Even if every German citizen was happy to see them I wonder if this is even economically feasible regardless of effort."

Perhaps Deutschland has something a little more practical in mind?

Anonymous praetorian August 18, 2015 4:01 PM  

I view this as evidence that North East Liberal Trump is reading Vox and has decided to troll Nate by consulting the Jeff Sessions people.

This is truly trolling at a whole new level.

http://dc464.4shared.com/img/3JW4h9jy/s7/140f6a6c3f8/donald_trump_clown_tours

Blogger Rantor August 18, 2015 4:02 PM  

Repatriation impossible? A one way air ticket is cheaper than what the government pays out in aid. I think it was the Governor of Kansas that chartered a plane and sent a bunch home. Of course to prevent multiple flights home, seal the border then ship them out.

Also, if it gets hard to work or get welfare, many will self deport.

Anonymous Orvil August 18, 2015 4:02 PM  

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Anonymous Orvil August 18, 2015 4:06 PM  

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Blogger David-093 August 18, 2015 4:07 PM  

15 million? You ignorant slut, try 50 million. And we wont even have to do it, theyll do it themselves, just cut off welfare and deport a few ten thousand and theyll leave by the millions.

Blogger darkdoc August 18, 2015 4:08 PM  

Too many people think wars can be fought with words.

Though many words may, and will, be spoken, in the end war always requires action and violence.

Not voting, not diplomacy, not hope, not logic and argument. War can only be fought with violent action.

Anonymous praetorian August 18, 2015 4:09 PM  

You know damn well that no one is going to go take rifles and trucks and round up 15,000,000 people.

Perhaps, but let's be empirical here. Start with a few thousand, shall we? Pour encourager les autres...

Anonymous cheddarman August 18, 2015 4:09 PM  

I wonder how long it will take the Europeans to see how toxic their relationship with the US has become. The U.S. destroyed the government of Libya, and wants to do the same Syria and perhaps Iran. The refugees from these conflicts are flooding Europe. I would also bet that a lot of sub-Saharan Africans are also making their way to Europe via the lawless region formerly known as the nation state of Libya.

Blogger Steveo #238 August 18, 2015 4:10 PM  

Repatriation is not only possible it's relatively straight forward.

Use all necessary public schools as way stations - food, cots - for overnights, minor medical and what not. Next, all school buses shuttle through their states as necessary (accomplished by transfer). Avg transport time to Mexico border would be about 4 days. Now, as we bus 26,000,000 kids every day in this country... we could start in June and be done before the end of summer break. Or don't you think our kids are bussed safely & humanely every day, and consume edible food every day, or have minor medical issues looked after at school? Now I'm sure they aren't getting good educations but that's not the mandate in this case. Local police round em up, take em to school and bus em off EVERY DAY. Local churches provide humanitarian volunteer effort and food prep (not even asking the socialists to participate). Troopers, County Deputies and off-duty LEOs provide immediate response to radio help enroute for the OT. NO one that gets bussed ever comes back legally... and any that get out on their own have a chance to come back. Local Bubbas watch the school perimeters. Note - utilize bus movement to choke points and high traffic routes from completed and low traffic routes as necessary. Even the Pentagon could figure that out with enough think tank help. Boo-yah.
It's not only possible, it's not even difficult.

Anonymous Orvil August 18, 2015 4:10 PM  

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Blogger Elocutioner #0226 August 18, 2015 4:11 PM  

Remember the pics from last couple of years of the immigrants riding through Mexico hanging from the sides of freight trains? Seems they had no problem riding trains in. I, and many millions like me, have no trouble putting them back on trains and sending them south.

Trump wants to intercept the Western Union remittances and use that to build the wall - that's $22B of untaxed money sent back last year while 80% of them in California collect welfare. (And, yes, that's possible - require a SSN or TID to wire money. I.e. "require ID"!)

Anonymous Gary August 18, 2015 4:12 PM  

Operation Wetback.

Get the ball rolling and the rest will self deport.

Blogger Stilicho #0066 August 18, 2015 4:15 PM  

Orvil, how many can reasonably be deported each year?

Anonymous praetorian August 18, 2015 4:15 PM  

Orvil, your jimmes seem excessively rustled.

Has Trump caused you to experience less than optimal well-being in some manner?

Anonymous Hoss August 18, 2015 4:16 PM  

Khrushchev was right, America will be taken without a single shot fired. And he's even more on the money because he knew it would be communists spearheading the takeover, just didn't realize it would be American commies.

And why I keep hearing that it's impossible to send these folks back: the US seems to be fairly good, not exactly efficient, at accomplishing tasks it focuses on. Nobody expects it to happen over night. Eating an elephant starts with the first bite.

Blogger Salt August 18, 2015 4:18 PM  

Add to this the decades long legal battle that would ensue.

Doesn't have to be. Green cards, Hb1 visas, etc are not Constitutionally mandated. Non-citizens have no "right" to being here. Deporting undesirables is as easy as putting them on the train.

Anonymous Orvil August 18, 2015 4:19 PM  

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Anonymous Orvil August 18, 2015 4:21 PM  

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Blogger Salt August 18, 2015 4:21 PM  

The right question is how do you integrate those here more quickly

As fertilizer. They'd be integrated within a season.

Anonymous Gary August 18, 2015 4:26 PM  

"The right question is how do you integrate those here more quickly."

What part of "illegal alien" isn't crystal clear?

I support anyone who states they are going to clear these parasites out. It will be more clear by the day they are destroying this nation. Even big business will figure out sooner or later that millions of welfare bums are not exactly a robust market for goods.

Anonymous Huckleberry August 18, 2015 4:26 PM  

The right question is how do you integrate those here more quickly. There will be no deportation. Business, the Left, Moderates, and many on the right will shoot down that program so fast your head will spin

Incorrect.
The right question is who will do anything to initiate anyone? There will be no integration. Business, the Left, Moderates and most on the Political Right have been shooting this down for decades.

Blogger Student in Blue August 18, 2015 4:26 PM  

There won't be any deportation because it's not the desired solution by most Americans, by Business nor by lawmakers.

By big business or lawmakers (but I repeat myself) it's not desired, but if deportation is not the majority opinion of the lay American, it's certainly not the tiny minority you make it out to be.

Add to this the decades long legal battle that would ensue.

A decades long legal battle to do what the law says. It sounds silly, but not implausible.

Regardless if it's easy or not, deportation has to happen, else the US will collapse. And when economic times get bad and lots of cultures are in a very tight area...

It's much better to have to spend decades in a legal battle, than let millions be slaughtered, I think.

Anonymous Roundtine August 18, 2015 4:27 PM  

I'm telling you, Trump is going to cut into the black vote, This is landslide territory.

BLACK WOMAN RIPS COUNCIL OVER ILLEGAL ALIENS

Blogger ajw308 (#98) August 18, 2015 4:27 PM  

@34 Now you've got ViiDad excited at the thought of a large compost pile.

Anonymous ThirdMonkey VFM #337 August 18, 2015 4:27 PM  

Pete Sessions is an evil genius. I guess he took to the old adage that you can get a lot done if you don't care who gets the credit. Funny how Trump uses his money to yank politicians around, and Sessions is using Trump's ego to get what needs to be done.

Blogger David-093 August 18, 2015 4:29 PM  

As anon conservative would say, Trump is triggering our new rabbit friends amygdala by revealing him to be a gutless traitor to his own country.

Tell me, what exactly are you getting out of millions of non-Americans floodng our streets with crime and rape?

Blogger Elocutioner #0226 August 18, 2015 4:32 PM  

Those who cuck need to be remembered for their deeds and repent or leave.

Blogger ajw308 (#98) August 18, 2015 4:32 PM  

A decades long legal battle to do what the law says. It sounds silly, but not implausible.
Cut off the Welfare and their motivation to enter/stay will be greatly reduced.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents August 18, 2015 4:32 PM  

Orvil
The West isn't people. The West is Ideas.

Your notion of a "propositional" West is out of date. It's not scientific. It is falsified just by noticing certain things.

Individual behavior is about 40% or so genetic. "Culture" is the aggregate behavior of groups of people, therefore culture is also in part genetic. Genes are what determine people.

The West is indeed people. People descended from groups of humans dispersed across what is now Europe, west of the Hajnal line.

I have more in common with a random Swede than I do with a random peasant from Chiapas.

The right question is how do you integrate those here more quickly

Based on the changes going on in places like Compton, California I'd say that the acculturation / integration is going the other way. The mestizo colonizers are changing the landscape and the culture to suit them, they are not changing themselves to suit the culture.

Your knowledge is deficient. The blank slate, magic geography belief has been shown to be false.

Blogger Danby August 18, 2015 4:33 PM  

Jam the fingers a little further in your ears and keep whistlin' Orvil

"And what would we do about 6,000,000 Jews and another 8,000,000 undesirables in our midst?!?! Nothing can be DONE!

In the long term it's deport them or get ready to start identifying the victims in mass graves.You can't integrate them. They aren't Americans and don't want to be Americans. They want to have money and live in Mexico, so they'll do what they can to make our country into Mexico. If you want to live in Mexico, move there. If you don't want to live in Mexico, best to start thinking seriously about the situation, not just shiriking your denials.

And why is it impossible? You have merely re-iterated that you believe it is.

Anonymous dantealiegri August 18, 2015 4:34 PM  

So basically Orvil is useless. He is unwilling to even imagine what the situation would look like.

Begone, we don't need fleas.

Anonymous Hoss August 18, 2015 4:34 PM  

"The right question is how do you integrate those here more quickly."

Huckleberry hit it. You'd be a racist, xenophobe, cultural assassin, child molester, Patriots fan, - whatever, for evening suggesting these people integrate and assimilate.

Blogger dc.sunsets August 18, 2015 4:36 PM  

There won't be any deportation because it's not the desired solution by most Americans

Quoting whom?

Those silenced by HR departments obsessed with typical corporate obeisance? Pull your head out of your behind and stop sniffing the prostate. People are halfway toward hoisting the Jolly Roger.

Either my grandchildren will live their lives in something visibly related to my childhood "home," or they will live in the North American version of Honduras blended with Argentina.

As this choice becomes abundantly clear, either politics will change or change will be effected where politics ends.

I think voting is a waste of time usually, and voting for a Nationalist Savior is fraught with unintended consequences, but letting this invasion continue has the aforementioned predictable results. They are worth risking nearly all to avoid. If Trump stays the course I'll vote for him even if doing so in a gerrymandered Red state is an empty gesture.

If I wanted to live in a Kleptocratic cesspool like Argentina I'd move there. Those who would bring it here must go, very possibly along with my neighbors who in their benighted folly gave the keys to MY HOME to those who are in every way alien.

Blogger Matamoros August 18, 2015 4:37 PM  

To those who don't think it possible to repatriate these people, I would simply ask, "how did they get here."

All we have to do is reverse the process. It worked to get them here. And it will work to get them out of here.

Blogger Cail Corishev August 18, 2015 4:40 PM  

We'll know there's been a serious shift in the discussion when the word "moratorium" shows up in a mainstream media source. Then we can start watching for "repatriation."

Anonymous Orvil August 18, 2015 4:41 PM  

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Blogger Salt August 18, 2015 4:42 PM  

All we have to do is reverse the process. It worked to get them here. And it will work to get them out of here.

Just make it cost them more to be here than to go home. They'll leave.

Blogger dc.sunsets August 18, 2015 4:46 PM  

Who is so utterly, contemptibly stupid so as to NOT see a future where the overwhelmingly Caucasian 80th-99.9th percentile who are essential to running this place are so politically disenfranchised that robbing them blind, deaf and dumb via the voting booth leaves them no choice but to either
1. Go Galt and let the country rot until it collapses or
2. Start a pogrom to reduce their political marginalization.

Think MS-13 is going to be staffing the cops' ranks and will put down such a revolt? The Left's open immigration is insuring absolute chaos.

There is no even remotely peaceful path ahead that coincides with Meso-Americans displacing whites and then dominating elections.

This isn't racial politics, it's predictable common sense, an inevitability of Leftists' seeing whites (esp. white males) as the ultimate reservoir of "Have" to be redistributed according to their diktats via the ballot box.

I've noted endlessly, Hobbes' Leviathan is a perfect inversion of reality. The war of all against all isn't "a state of nature," it is political organization of society, the entire goal of the Left.

We're rapidly headed that way.

Anonymous Gary August 18, 2015 4:47 PM  

"I'm telling you, Trump is going to cut into the black vote, This is landslide territory."

Some blacks have figured out that once the spanish vote reaches a critical mass their vote (and the gravy train) will come to an end. Its already happening.

Blogger Noah B #120 August 18, 2015 4:48 PM  

"You fucking idiot. If you live anywhere near the west coast you know there is significant integration of hispanics into the American culture. You see it in every walk of life."

That's replacement, not integration.

"A decades long legal battle to do what the law says. It sounds silly, but not implausible."

Automation is the key. Speed up the judicial process with automated document processing, like they've done with the FISA court. The immigration trial and appeal can be conducted literally within the same millisecond. If progs invent rights out of thin air, we can find creative and interesting ways to ignore them.

Blogger Student in Blue August 18, 2015 4:48 PM  

Cut off the Welfare and their motivation to enter/stay will be greatly reduced.

I wasn't doubting the efficacy of such a measure, I was instead assuming that the possible legal battles getting discussed would be over implementing such measures.

Particularly because of all those "well-meaning" conservatives and liberals who are trying to protect those poor oppressed people.

Anonymous dantealiegri August 18, 2015 4:49 PM  

Orvil,

then ANSWER THE QUESTION, by the rules of the blog.

If you wish to explain why people cannot be deported - which they are already and have been in numbers less than mentioned, then say it.

Otherwise, your trolling is tedious, and pathetic.

Anonymous Achilles August 18, 2015 4:50 PM  

I agree that repatriation is not only possible but a money saver in the long run. But where everyone goes wrong is in shipping them back to Mexico. We conquered Mexico. It's ours. Ship them all to Venezuela. Mexico and all it's resources are ours. Everyone squatting on our territory better pack their bags.

Blogger Danby August 18, 2015 4:52 PM  

Many of us, including me, live in the West, and no, integration is NOT happening, except in the sense that Americans are surrendering to Mexican culture.
I took a drive over the Weekend to the Olympic Peninsula. In one little town we passed the high school during sports practice. Whites and Indians practising football, Mexicans practising soccer.
They aren't integrating, they don't want to integrate. They want Mexico del Norte.

Blogger dc.sunsets August 18, 2015 4:52 PM  

Orvil, I've been to the Walmart in Cancun, Quintana Roo. If I wanted to be surrounded by Mexicans, I'd return there.

I hate to break it to you, dude, but I do my own gardening, my own mowing, my own digging a hole for a pipe; I've never once hired someone who even looked vaguely Mexican or Meso-American to do any work for me whatsoever (because I don't hire people who aren't insured and largely part of the BBB.)

You just don't get it. To paraphrase: Latinos don't vote for limited government, the rule of law and enforcement of property rights. They don't vote for them in Honduras, they don't vote for them in Venezuela, they don't vote for them in Argentina and they have never and will never vote for them in the USA.

I say again. If I wanted my grandchildren to live in Kirschner's little kleptocracy, my wife and I would have moved there 20 years ago.

Anonymous Huckleberry August 18, 2015 4:53 PM  

You fucking idiot. If you live anywhere near the west coast you know there is significant integration of hispanics into the American culture. You see it in every walk of life.

Is Los Angeles, CA, west coast enough for you, you fucking gibbering moron?
For nearly 40 years I've seen the exact opposite of what you describe.
Unless all the TV commercials in spanish on supposedly mainstream American TV networks is a sign of their integration into mainstream American society that is beyond my grasp.

Blogger Danby August 18, 2015 4:56 PM  

Kurt Schilchter has a clever idea, create a tort for hiring an illegal over a citizen under the equal opportunity law.
If I apply and you hire an illegal, you owe me money, lots of it. The case is easier to make than racial discrimination, as you don't have to prove intent, merely that the hired person is an illegal alien.
That would take about a year to clean up most of the problem.

Blogger Elocutioner #0226 August 18, 2015 4:56 PM  

We all know that the culture of LA is representative of the American culture as recognized by the rest of the country. Well, except for the places not specifically named Los Angeles.

Blogger Student in Blue August 18, 2015 4:58 PM  

Well, the country wasn't destroyed when the exactly same thing was said by folks that wanted to stop immigration by Italians and Jews and Irish and catholics, etc, etc, etc. Immigration never collapsed the country or the economy and it's not now.

Think about how long it took for the Italian and Irish immigrants to finally become "integrated". Then think about how proportionately small of an immigration they were to the whole of the population.

The immigration problems we have now are several factors larger than the troubles that America had with Irish, Italian, Jew and even Catholic because there's far more coming over here, and at a far faster rate.

It's like saying, "Americans have eaten hamburgers for decades! There's zero harm in force-feeding myself five Baconators in the span of thirty minutes."

Blogger Dan in Tx August 18, 2015 4:59 PM  

"'Orvil, how many can reasonably be deported each year?'

That's the wrong question. The right question is..."

Nice dodge. Still waiting for that answer though.

Blogger Chiva August 18, 2015 4:59 PM  

If you live anywhere near the west coast you know there is significant integration of hispanics into the American culture. You see it in every walk of life.

Gringo is an idiot.

Blogger Cail Corishev August 18, 2015 5:00 PM  

"And what would we do about 6,000,000 Jews and another 8,000,000 undesirables in our midst?!?! Nothing can be DONE!"

Exactly. If TOrvil doesn't think it's possible to round up millions of people with rifles and trucks, then he must be a Holocaust denier. Is there someone he should be reported to? I'm frankly uncomfortable having to read that kind of hate speech.

Blogger JartStar August 18, 2015 5:02 PM  

Well, the country wasn't destroyed when the exactly same thing was said by folks that wanted to stop immigration by Italians and Jews and Irish and catholics, etc, etc, etc. Immigration never collapsed the country or the economy and it's not now.

You might want to ask the Native Americans about mass migration and their lands, way of life, and economy collapsing.

Anonymous NorthernHamlet August 18, 2015 5:03 PM  

If you live anywhere near the west coast you know there is significant integration of hispanics into the American culture. You see it in every walk of life.

This is one of the stupidest things I've ever seen written here.

Anonymous redsash August 18, 2015 5:03 PM  

Very easy to rid this nation of illegals. Confiscate the property of those who hire them or rent to them, then send into exile the entire families of those who hire them or rent to them. A prison camp on several of the Aleutian islands should suffice. For any illegals not self deporting I believe immunity for bounty hunters and a bounty of 500 dollars per head would get it done. BTW if a bounty hunter messes up and happens to bag a legal with a foreign accent, so much the better.

Blogger Bluntobj Winz August 18, 2015 5:05 PM  

#cuckservative: A hispanic definition of American Culture is whatever the hispanic says it is. To think otherwise is bigoted. Ergo, there is significant integration.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan August 18, 2015 5:06 PM  

I say its possible with Trump this is personal/business and so he has staying power. Imagine that he sat in a meeting with some oligarchs, especially the old holocaust haunted ones and they floated a plan whereby they basically loot this country with the new voters, and then had the temerity to make it a strong arm offer.

Its like Soros used Obama to crush coal as he picks up Peabody and Arch, so much so that he has to report his stake to the SEC. It is how they roll, and Trump being an astute business man knew his neck was on the block as well.

Blogger Student in Blue August 18, 2015 5:10 PM  

You might want to ask the Native Americans about mass migration and their lands, way of life, and economy collapsing.

But Jartstar, that only happened because those Puritans fleeing for religious freedom were such bloodthirsty murderers! There's absolutely no way that the Mexicans (and their heritage) would do, and ever have done, such a barbarous thing, not to mention the peaceful drug dealers and MS-13 members that make up a significant portion of the immigrants. They certainly would never do something like that.

Blogger JCclimber August 18, 2015 5:11 PM  

A few simple laws, and many will begin to self-deport.
Automatic 1 year jail sentence for ANYONE convicted of hiring someone here illegally. No early parole. Could be the lightest and lowest security jail, but you're going, sister or brother.
Zero welfare money.
Zero public schooling.
Zero back accounts. Considering how much documentation *I* have to produce now to open a bank account, we know for a fact these "undocumented" workers have actual documents.

Now, in a related program, target 2 million for repatriation per year, beginning with the youngest. We want them out of here and back in their own culture ASAP, for compassion's sake.
Go back home yourself? You get a bonus of $2,500 in your old country's currency. And you can reapply to reenter America legally within 5 years.
Caught re-entering the country illegally? 1 year of hard labor, then deportation for first offense.

Blogger Salt August 18, 2015 5:17 PM  

They certainly would never do something like that.

"Texans, I come in peace!" - Antonio de Padua María Severino López de Santa Anna y Pérez de Lebrón

Blogger Floyd Looney August 18, 2015 5:18 PM  

Cut off the benefits, cut off the jobs, cut off the schools and free ER... and watch many of them self-deport. Build the wall!

Blogger HalibetLector August 18, 2015 5:19 PM  

If you live anywhere near the west coast you know there is significant integration of hispanics into the American culture. You see it in every walk of life.

@69 This is one of the stupidest things I've ever seen written here.


Agreed. I lived in California for almost a decade. The hispanics there didn't integrate into American culture. They took it over.

Blogger Travis Kurtz August 18, 2015 5:30 PM  

Can someone speak about the contradiction Trump's immigration policies has on "hands off" capitalism? All competition is good, right?

Anonymous rienzi August 18, 2015 5:35 PM  

I've always thought that returning the illegals to Mexico was kind of useless. The illegal just ends up back where he started. No real consequence for sneaking in here.

Why not get creative. Rounded-up illegals are flown to some hellhole like Syria, Zimbabwe, or Afghanistan, and just dumped outside the airport. Let them make their own way back to Mexico, or failing that, let them become the problem of said hellholes.

A huge incentive to self-deport. Country would be illegal-free in a month. Orvil would just have to get by without his gardener, maid, and pool-boy, but then we all have to make sacrifices in these difficult times.

Anonymous Orvil August 18, 2015 5:37 PM  

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Blogger JartStar August 18, 2015 5:40 PM  

Orvil,

Were the nations, ideas, and cultures of the Native Americans negatively impacted by the mass migration of Europeans?

Anonymous Orvil August 18, 2015 5:42 PM  

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Anonymous Donn #0114 August 18, 2015 5:43 PM  

Orvil by the rules of the blog; how many can be deported in a year?

How many were deported in operation wetback?

How many voluntarily deported in that time?

Finally do you believe that the United States has a right to say who is allowed to be inside the United States and the right to enforce that decision?

Blogger Cecil Henry August 18, 2015 5:44 PM  

We need a Trump in Canada to speak truth on immigration and White Genocide.

And in Europe too. NO party in Canada, despite a current federal election, will touch the ELEPHANT in the room - massive unrelenting, subsidized and non-white immigration and White Genocide.

Its got to change. ITs got to STOP.

Anonymous Orvil August 18, 2015 5:44 PM  

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Anonymous Donn #0114 August 18, 2015 5:45 PM  

My guess is Orvil is actually a known troll. Nobody is as stupid as he pretends to be.

Blogger The Original Hermit August 18, 2015 5:45 PM  

"Next, all school buses shuttle through their states as necessary"

Y'all are too nice.
Step 1: Cut off all benefits, announce seizure of property of illegals and severe penalties to employers of illegals.
Allow 1 month to self deport.
Step 2: Round them all up. Place a brand on the left portion of their face, and a tattoo on the right side of their face, indicating them as an illegal in case they happen to return.
Step 3: Pack them like sardines into shipping containers Then ship them to an island off the southern coast of Mexico.
Step 4: Profit!

Blogger JartStar August 18, 2015 5:47 PM  

@86 Almost certainly Tad

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Blogger Rabbi B August 18, 2015 5:51 PM  

@88

You beat me to it.

Anonymous Orvil August 18, 2015 5:53 PM  

"My guess is Orvil is actually a known troll. Nobody is as stupid as he pretends to be."

Fuck you and your troll defense. Have you noticed that not a single one of your pals has explained how they are going to get the kind of radical agenda passed that you and that dolt Trump is suggesting?

Blogger Russell Widhalm August 18, 2015 5:53 PM  

Not all illegals are from Mexico. We have illegals from all over Central and South America, as well as the Middle East and Asia.

Demographics of Immigrants in the US

But we should still send them all back where they came from.

Blogger The Remnant August 18, 2015 5:54 PM  

Orvil, if the West is just ideas, why is immigration into the West necessary? Foreigners can simply stay put (or go back home) and implement Western ideas, right?

You're caught in a contradiction that reveals that the West indeed is the people, and that foreigners want to dwell among us in a civilization that we created but they did not (and cannot).

Anonymous Ras al Ghul August 18, 2015 5:55 PM  

I have told people that I would vote for either Trump or Saunders because of their stance on immigration. And in response to the "other issues" I have told people that those issues don't matter.

If you stop the immigration, the country might be saved, if you don't it won't. Simple as that.

Surprisingly, I know a lot of progressives and they have indicated they would prefer to vote for these two because they recognize how immigration hurts the blue color worker.

All you have to say to them is you want American citizens of all stripes to make a decent wage, live in safe neighborhoods with their kids going to decent schools and immigration lowers wages, and drains social programs and they all nod along in agreement.

Its a simple emotional argument, that is based on reality.

Anonymous patrick kelly August 18, 2015 5:55 PM  

@.5 "oligarchy and monarchy" ... is preferable to the current train wreck status quo...first steps back to a sustainable nation....

@.7 "repatriation is impossible " see Operation Wet Back....

@19"The West isn't people. The West is Ideas." ..... currently promoting mud huts and grass skirts......I prefer the more traditional Western Civilization........


Blogger ray August 18, 2015 5:55 PM  

"If the immigration issue is not addressed, if the mass movement of people is not stopped, if the tens of millions of invaders, legal and illegal, are not repatriated, none of the other policy issues matter."


A potential wedge, and important, but it's a mistake to raise immigration issues to Total Solution. America doesn't have 'a century' to dump godlessness, sec humanism, feminism, and general babylonianism, which includes diversity, tolerance, racialism, open borders... and slowly restore a healthy and orderly nation.

2016 is the last chance politically for the U.S. to align America with God and sanity. I can't believe it's getting even that chance but there you go, God is patient and merciful, and I'm not.

Obviously the strategy is start with closing borders, then introduce reform issue-by-issue, hoping not to trigger civil war. I don't think it can be done --the Beltway and much of femographic/demographic America is opposed, by self-interest, to substantive reform. The Almighty People do not vote to lessen groupist empowerments and privileges.

But even a shred of truth offered by Trump is an improvement over the status quo, and is welcome.

Blogger Student in Blue August 18, 2015 5:56 PM  

So a "radical agenda" is enforcing existing laws. Who would've thought?

Anonymous Orville August 18, 2015 5:56 PM  

Have I been cloned? If so, it is defective and must be culled. The one and true Orville.

Blogger Russell Widhalm August 18, 2015 5:56 PM  

@87: a microchip implanted in each illegal deported, along with an electronic component of the fence/wall, would do the job nicely. Kind of like at the beginning of "The Running Man" when Chico loses his head...

Blogger Rabbi B August 18, 2015 5:58 PM  

"Fuck you and your troll defense."

Exuding more brilliance and erudite arguments. Is intelligent and even semi-polite discourse really that difficult?

Anonymous patrick kelly August 18, 2015 6:00 PM  

@89 "You want to compare hispanic illegals to North American colonists?"

Do you even understand what you write?

Damn right there's no comparison. The Europeans were not migrants or immigrants, they were what you wrote, colonists and more: explorers, settlers, and conquerors....... looking to build their own lives by the sweat of their brow and back, build their own civilization, not suck at the tit and destroy a superior existing one......

The migrant invaders at our borders not so much........

Blogger Danby August 18, 2015 6:02 PM  

orvil, I'll type slowly so you will understand

I will grant that at this time, the people who want repatriation are not in power. Neither are people who want free speech, freedom of association, or integrity from public officials. Telling us we've already lost is at once stupid and completely lacking in persuasive power.

The entire lesson of the Trump phenomenon is that there is a very large reservoir of political will in this country to shut off the flow and repatriate illegal aliens. Much larger than you imagine.

Calling me a racist no longer affects me. I've been called racist by smarter and more powerful people than you.

When the collapse comes, it will be all-out war. I consider mass deportation better in many ways than all-out race war. Your side is the side that is refusing to do anything about the problem by at once denying its a problem and denying that anything, anything at al can be done about it because we've already lost.

You are paving the way for genocide. We're trying to avert it.

Anonymous Donn #0114 August 18, 2015 6:04 PM  

We confiscate the property of drug runners and sellers no 'constitutional amendment' needed. We can do the same with illegals in fact following the precedence established we can do it when they are charged and a judge determines they are possibly an illegal alien and thus likely a flight risk. The money will be held just like it is for drug dealers and the person deported they can apply through the courts to get it back if they can prove they were here legally.

Put a 50% tax on all wire transfers to 'illegal enabling countries' like Mexico.

Anonymous patrick kelly August 18, 2015 6:05 PM  

@82 " you too often find yourself finding common cause with straight up racists who"

oooo noooos, we gonna' be called RAAACISSSSS! waaaahahha...

@92 "how they are going to get the kind of radical agenda passed ..." you better hope the process is that peaceful......the inevitable alternatives are not......

Blogger Danby August 18, 2015 6:07 PM  

2016 is the last chance politically for the U.S. to align America with God and sanity.

Oh well, we're doomed then. Best to go out with a splash.

Blogger Salt August 18, 2015 6:08 PM  

@102

In a sense illegals and legals are conquerors, much like the colonists, regardless of method of getting here. What must be acknowledged was the absolute right of the natives to violently resist the colonials at their time of conquest. So too may today's invaders be resisted. There is historical precedence.

Blogger Rantor August 18, 2015 6:08 PM  

@ Orville, the villainous one is missing a couple of letters...

Must deport illegals. Must reduce immigration. My wife, a legal European immigrant agrees. America needs to be a Christian dominated country... and we are not talking SJW Christians here. Can anyone understand what that cuck Kasich is yapping about? Tens of thousands of MS13 illegals in country and he declares them Christians? Not to mention the terrorist hoard of Lackawana NY.. We need to adopt some international standards, Japan for instance does not allow Muslim immigrants. I say we just don't allow immigrants from terror supporting and terror exporting countries. That will keep most Muslims out.

Anonymous patrick kelly August 18, 2015 6:09 PM  

@97.

Nope, such alignment is likely to be much longer than a 1 year effort.........God is merciful and patient, people on the other hand......

Blogger VD August 18, 2015 6:10 PM  

Have you noticed that not a single one of your pals has explained how they are going to get the kind of radical agenda passed that you and that dolt Trump is suggesting?

It will be done by executive order. There are only two options. Either there will be mass repatriations or there will be civil war and mass slaughter.

That's how it has usually worked throughout history.

Blogger Rabbi B August 18, 2015 6:11 PM  

"Telling us we've already lost is at once stupid and completely lacking in persuasive power."

Exactly. Sitting around and pretending this isn't a problem, hoping it will magically go away is asinine. The first step is getting the conversation going, build momentum, keep pounding away, and never, ever retreat or back down no matter how much people try to shout us down.

We are not going to get there by keeping our mouths shut. Think what you will of the man: he's the only one with the intestinal fortitude right now to highlight the pressing matter at hand and articulate it.

Blogger The Original Hermit August 18, 2015 6:13 PM  

@99 I believe Orvil is an hispanicization of the name Orville.

@100 I like the idea, but fear that it's too easily removed. Of course there are ways to implant it into bone, possibly expensive and time consuming, also painful and requires recovery. I like it. We can send the bill to Mexico.

Anonymous zen0 August 18, 2015 6:14 PM  

Black woman on illegal migration: <a href="http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/08/18/must-see-black-woman-rips-council-over-illegal-aliens/>she supports Donald Trump “a hundred percent.”</a>

Anonymous Donn #0114 August 18, 2015 6:15 PM  

VD @110 Simply enforcing the laws we have will suffice to get the ball rolling. Repatriate all aliens that cannot prove they are here legally while confiscating all their property. Promise to allow them to return minus the court costs and any administrative fees. If they are found to be illegal all funds remain to go towards building a wall and stationing men there.

I've even put forward a proposal that would reward volunteer border guards with land in exchange for vigilance.

Anonymous zen0 August 18, 2015 6:16 PM  

Black woman on illegal migration: she supports Donald Trump “a hundred percent.”

Blogger JCclimber August 18, 2015 6:16 PM  

@80
"Of course it's integration. Hispancs of the second and third generation are intermarrying, speak perfect English, are voting, are embracing liberal democracy, don't engage in their parents and grandparents bribocracy. They have embraced the idea of the West and the idea of America."

Thereby proving that you don't live on the West Coast.

ORRRRRRRR.....

That you have no idea what Western culture is, if you believe that the hispanics have fully integrated in even 5 generations into Western culture.

You haven't hung around a bunch of hispanics together, have you? I'm not talking about the talented 10% that go to universities and can speak cultured english and in white company talk about how backwards their relatives back home are (while privately thinking that their hearts really do belong with their relatives).

No, I'm talking about the 4 or 5 hispanic families hanging out in one of the free parks with their loud ghetto blasters while they gorge themselves on Walmart food.

Anonymous Donn #0114 August 18, 2015 6:17 PM  

Sorry allow them to return if they were US citizens and return remaining property.

Anonymous rienzi August 18, 2015 6:18 PM  

@80. Orvil: "Of course it's integration. Hispancs of the second and third generation are intermarrying, speak perfect English, are voting, are embracing liberal democracy, don't engage in their parents and grandparents bribocracy. They have embraced the idea of the West and the idea of America."

Good Lord, Orvil. Are you some college student, obsessed with proving that you're not a hick from some little backwater town in flyover country?

Go to Lehigh Acres, FL. Walk around for a few hours. Your statement will be shown to be utter hogwash.

You can do the same thing on the east side of Oslo, Norway with the Nigerians.

You can do the same thing on the east side of London with the Pakis.

You can do the same thing in the 10th, 19th, and 20th arrondissments of Paris with the Algerians and Tunisians.

For that matter, go to Torremolinos on the Costa del Sol, and ask the locals how well the Brits are absorbing Spanish culture, although it might be difficult to find a native Spaniard in what is pretty much turning into Manchester with palm trees.

Blogger ray August 18, 2015 6:20 PM  

Danby -- Mebbe WE are doomed but that doesn't mean YOU are doomed. Yeah we were attached to certain nations, for specific reasons, and we bear some responsibility according to our station. But we get evaluated as individuals, not as citizens. Splash away but guard your soul.

Blogger Cail Corishev August 18, 2015 6:26 PM  

My guess is Orvil is actually a known troll.

Of course he is. But in his ham-fisted way, he's raising the same stupid mantras that we've heard before and will continue to hear again, as mainstream sources recite them to make the badthink go away. "Proposition nation," "can't deport that many," "people are already integrating," "you're just a bunch of racists."

Yes, they're all lies -- and TOrvil clearly knows that and is just doing a performance here -- but millions of people do believe them. He's doing us a service by helping us prepare the necessary arguments to teach them the truth.

Blogger Bluntobj Winz August 18, 2015 6:30 PM  

@78 If your only metric is money, then naturally more competition to drive down costs is good.

However, there are other metrics. Things like western civilization, peace, healthy living, community, etc.

Things might be cheap, but without peace, civilization, and good health, life has about the same price.

Anonymous Orvil August 18, 2015 6:31 PM  

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Blogger Curtis August 18, 2015 6:32 PM  

Someone always has to come along and try to mess up the PLAN:

https://youtu.be/6-3X5hIFXYU

Blogger Atomic Agent 13 August 18, 2015 6:34 PM  

"We graduate two times more Americans with STEM degrees each year than find STEM jobs, yet as much as two-thirds of entry-level hiring for IT jobs is accomplished through the H-1B program."

"Mark Zuckerberg’s personal Senator, Marco Rubio, has a bill to triple H-1Bs that would decimate women and minorities."

Anyone else remember Bill Gates asking congress for an increase in immigration for people who have an education in tech? Sneaky bastards.

Anonymous Orvil August 18, 2015 6:37 PM  

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Anonymous A.B. Prosper August 18, 2015 6:39 PM  

Orvil is probably a paid troll but he is an effective enough one I'll humor him.

1st, as noted earlier culture is about half genetic While the West is a series of ideas, it requires Western people to implement it, that is White European folk, preferably Northern and Western. Other Europeans can manage it fairly well and a small number of others ethnicity can as well. C.f our host However even if every single human being on earth who was suitable to be a member of this society were moved the to US , simple cultural inertia would make the results no longer the West. Having a West means a minimum of 80% Westerners, more is better.

2nd Mass deportation is perfectly feasible on a technological level and 50 million or so could be repatriated in a 10 year period quite easily.

3rd re: political will. A half truth there, well the current ruling class of the US does oppose this. This kind of presumes they will be allowed or able to hold that position. The policy positions they are taking are creating a situation where they will be removed sooner or later. They have two choices, allow someone like Trump to work the peoples will and humanely repatriate , en mass or have a three way ethnic civil war. This is a war they will win, the US has too fragile an infrastructure and is not resilient enough or rural enough to withstand such a war. A few weeks with little food, electricity or water will end up in mass famine and auto-deportation anyway.

Thus deportation now in an orderly humane or a catastrophe later. Choose wisely.

Blogger automatthew August 18, 2015 6:39 PM  

Ding ding ding!

Blogger Curtis August 18, 2015 6:42 PM  

The first thing to do, is starve them out. No more State/Fed goodies. Anyone knowingly hiring an illegal migrant, 10 years in prison.

Blogger automatthew August 18, 2015 6:42 PM  

I left @92 because it's one of the few times I've seen Tad lose his glib.

OpenID corvinus333 August 18, 2015 6:43 PM  

Either there will be mass repatriations or there will be civil war and mass slaughter.

@110
I think "both" is more common than "either/or": Yugoslavia... India-Pakistan... Turkey-Greece 1920... Eastern European Germans after World War II... etc. etc. etc.

Anonymous paradox August 18, 2015 6:44 PM  

Send them to Puerto Rico. Puerto Rico will be upset and want independence. We then kiss Puerto Rico goodbye.

Blogger Curtis August 18, 2015 6:44 PM  

Oh yeah. Make it known that anyone illegally crossing our border will be transported to the South Pole. And then do it.

Blogger Carl Philipp August 18, 2015 6:53 PM  

@38 A black woman talking about how immigrants are stealing jobs from black people. And when she complained, she got called a racist.

There isn't enough popcorn in the world.

Blogger S1AL August 18, 2015 6:56 PM  

Heh, two birds with one stone: create jobs by employing citizens in large groups to round up illegal immigrants and deport them...

Anonymous Donn #0114 August 18, 2015 6:57 PM  

I don't know about the South Pole. Too far. Pay Chile to ship them to Tierra del Fuego.

Anonymous Gary August 18, 2015 6:57 PM  

"Now you just sound like a lunatic."

Hate to break it to you pal but I guess you are not up on current events.

Anonymous Donn #0114 August 18, 2015 7:03 PM  

I've refined my idea already. Allow illegal whose property has been confiscated to get half the value back immediately if they agree they are illegal aliens and and to immediate deportation and lead immigration to three (minimum) who were previously unknown. Get illegals to inform on other illegals. It works with drug dealers. As a bonus most of the illegals in my town are involved in the drug trade. Win, win, win!

Blogger Noah B #120 August 18, 2015 7:12 PM  

Have you noticed that not a single one of your pals has explained how they are going to get the kind of radical agenda passed that you and that dolt Trump is suggesting?

There's always the "Just Do It" approach. Progs aren't overly concerned with laws they don't like and it seems only fair to return the favor.

Blogger Noah B #120 August 18, 2015 7:17 PM  

It may turn out to be fortunate that Dems have spent the last 6 years marginalizing Congress and strengthening the executive branch.

Anonymous KBT August 18, 2015 7:17 PM  

Or go after the employers and let the illegals auto-deport themselves. Happened a little during the recession where the work evaporated. A few CEOs doing the perp walk is all it will take. That's something you can actually do with existing law.

Executive order to start prosecuting/fining city government officials who enact sanctuary laws, and enable victims of illegal alien crimes to bring legal action against the city and the officials personally.

Go after the enablers. Forget about the iron filings in the magnetic field. Go after the magnets.

Expecting a round up at gunpoint is a pipe dream. Sorry, but that will never happen.

Anonymous JRL August 18, 2015 7:35 PM  

For all their talk of diversity, the irony is that progs want the West as Global Culture. This is why they feel warm and fuzzy at the browning of America. On hand, it is inevitable that American ideals will colonize immigrants minds, on the other hand, it is irrelevant, because the entire world will be colonized and America is nothing special.

Anonymous BigGaySteve August 18, 2015 7:36 PM  

Cut off benefits, if we cant undo the anchor baby court ruling than take the anchor babies away and put them in the foster system to keep them from being raped at 10yo. That will make some families flee.

immunity for bounty hunters and a bounty of 500 dollars per head would get it done.

Do the heads have to be attached? Next on Bravo Big Gay Steve Bounty Hunter.

Perhaps Deutschland has something a little more practical in mind? Maybe this time they will actually do lampshades.

You know damn well that no one is going to go take rifles and trucks and round up 15,000,000 people.

Good point no need to transport them farther than the nearest ditch, that way they wont come back.

24. steveo Repatriation is not only possible it's relatively straight forward. Use all necessary public schools as way... bus

There is the problem of summer school, but some nurses actually ride on busses with kids as a per diem job.

I'm telling you, Trump is going to cut into the black vote, I would say only about 20% of blacks are smart enough to know Mexicans will eat their lunch, & take away their affirmative action positions because they will actually work.

Sessions is an evil genius....Sessions is using Trump's ego to get what needs to be done.

Everyone knows Trumps border plan is what Sessions has been saying for years, in fact it might just be a word substitute Sessions->Trump.

"repatriation is impossible " see Operation Wet Back.... Forget WetBack The Dominican Republic is kicking out Haitians as we speak

We all know that the culture of LA is representative of the American culture as recognized by the rest of the country

I have lived in Texas also with Mexican boyfriends at the time.

Blogger ajw308 (#98) August 18, 2015 7:40 PM  

If I apply and you hire an illegal, you owe me money, lots of it.
And give the whistle blower a percentage of the penalty payment.

Anonymous FrankNorman August 18, 2015 7:41 PM  

The "propositional nation" talking-point is very easily answered: If a nation is based on an idea, then to replace or crowd out the people who believe in that idea with people who don't, is to destroy that nation.
QED.

Blogger Curtis August 18, 2015 7:49 PM  

@133 Donn #0114

Do a few times and you won't have to do it anymore. Especially when their own government won't pick them up.

Anonymous BGS August 18, 2015 7:52 PM  

Of course it's integration. Hispancs of the second and third generation are intermarrying, speak perfect English,

Even leftists say 4th generation US Hispanics are being failed by schools, for being far behind whites and Asians just off the boat.

And give the whistle blower a percentage of the penalty payment.

The thing about whistle blowing is you need another job lined up before you blow.

Blogger Danby August 18, 2015 7:54 PM  

If I apply and you hire an illegal, you owe me money, lots of it.
"And give the whistle blower a percentage of the penalty payment."

no, it's a tort. The plaintiff and his lawyer get all of it.

OpenID basementhomebrewer August 18, 2015 7:55 PM  

@40

There is a difference between brave and stupid. I for one am not going to move to DC so that I can illegally carry just to prove a point. I have other things to worry about closer to home. If I lived there I would move away again because I can be more effective on changing minds elsewhere.

As for use of force laws, I am not sure I would step in unless I saw the whole incident here in Ohio. In Ohio you take the position of the person you are defending. So, if the apparent victim did something to start the altercation ie punched or threatened his attacker first then I am going to jail for murder.

I agree with you DC. I have heard too many stories about people being killed after only being punched once in the head. In this DC scenario the only way I would consider stepping in unarmed is if I had 2-3 other guys with me whose skills I trusted. Otherwise it's a phone call to 911 and being a good witness.

Anonymous Donn #0114 August 18, 2015 7:55 PM  

BGS @140 The DR has revoked birthright citizenship to 1924. Wouldn't that be a kick in the pants?

Blogger bw August 18, 2015 7:56 PM  

stunning immigration proposal

Stunning, mind you. Which is to say, what every other damn country in the world that is not a white majority does.
The Radical already happened. Now the self-loathing anti-whites are trying to claim that the action to correct the radicalism is the only thing radical.

Anonymous Donn #0114 August 18, 2015 8:00 PM  

Curtis @143 True. Although you have to give them tuxedos as part of the deal. I want pics of them standing with the penguins.

Anonymous BGS August 18, 2015 8:06 PM  

The DR has revoked birthright citizenship to 1924. Wouldn't that be a kick in the pants?

If they can separate black DR from Black Haitians we should have no problems. That would undo the RayGun amnesty that was supposed to come with a border fence.

Although you have to give them tuxedos as part of the deal. I want pics of them standing with the penguins

Didn't you get enough of the Mexicans hired to dress up as Hasidic jews protesting NYC pride?

Blogger Noah B #120 August 18, 2015 8:10 PM  

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Blogger Noah B #120 August 18, 2015 8:10 PM  

Meltdown Day 2: Rick Wilson Asks Ann Coulter If Donald Trump ‘Pays More for Anal’

Glorious.

Anonymous Discard August 18, 2015 8:20 PM  

95. Ras al Ghul: You know "progressives" who oppose immigration because it harms the American working class? I've never, ever, met a leftie who gave a shit about us, only those who call us racist, sexist, homophobes.
My guess is that some of them are beginning to recognize that they may want those construction and manufacturing jobs for themselves or their kids, when the administrative employment bubble collapses. I can not believe that they have stopped hating us.

Anonymous BGS August 18, 2015 8:21 PM  

Meltdown Day 2: Rick Wilson Asks Ann Coulter If Donald Trump ‘Pays More for Anal’ Glorious.

Shouldn't Wilson have asked one of Trumps people if he was looking for money?

Blogger Curtis August 18, 2015 8:26 PM  

@149 Donn #0114

With Sombreros. Don't forget the Sombreros.

Blogger Sad Puppy August 18, 2015 8:46 PM  

@58

I've been thinking this as well, for some time now.

OpenID simplytimothy August 18, 2015 8:48 PM  

Over on the right sidebar, iSteve on Unz has a new post scott-dilbert-adams-on-trumps-sales-techniques/ that highlights Trumps effective use of rhetoric.

From the article...:
If you’re keeping score, in the past month Trump has bitch-slapped the entire Republican Party, redefined our expectations of politics, focused the national discussion on immigration, proposed the only new idea for handling ISIS, and taken functional control of FOX News. And I don’t think he put much effort into it. Imagine what he could do if he gave up golf.

Blogger Sad Puppy August 18, 2015 8:54 PM  

@84
Don't tell me this is happening in Canada too? Is there no place left where these leeches aren't invading?

Blogger Sad Puppy August 18, 2015 8:57 PM  

Troll them and let them think Planned Parenthood is harvesting illegal alien organs. They'll be getting the heck outta here in no time.

Blogger Sad Puppy August 18, 2015 9:04 PM  

@108
We need to adopt some international standards, Japan for instance does not allow Muslim immigrants.
-----------------------

See how easy that is? And why not also say, no immigrants from Mexico?

Blogger James Dixon August 18, 2015 9:13 PM  

> Meltdown Day 2: Rick Wilson Asks Ann Coulter If Donald Trump ‘Pays More for Anal’

Did she ask him "Why do you want to know, are you in the market?"

Anonymous Mr. Rational August 18, 2015 9:13 PM  

@74: Automatic 1 year jail sentence for ANYONE convicted of hiring someone here illegally.

The problem with that already exists:  how do you verify their documents?  It's considered illegal discrimination to be "too picky", so many employers have hired illegals against their will.  You have to give employers who satisfied the current standards a pass, though demanding all existing employees go through e-Verify is a "go".

@79: Why not get creative. Rounded-up illegals are flown to some hellhole like Syria, Zimbabwe, or Afghanistan, and just dumped outside the airport.

Because those countries have the right to determine who they let in also.  Of course, for a thousand bucks a head Zimbabwe would probably take anyone.  We should subcontract our imprisonment of most of our foreign convicts to them as well, so they have nowhere to escape to.

@94: foreigners want to dwell among us in a civilization that we created but they did not (and cannot).

They can't even hold it together when it's handed to them with everything fully operational and all the instruction manuals.

@112: I like the idea, but fear that it's too easily removed.

You're assuming people are bright enough to understand what it is, and you don't have to be obvious about how the illegal re-entrant was detected.  Read SBPDL for a while and look at the links people post to acts of incredibly stupid Black criminals.  Magical thinking lends itself to tricks like implants.  Besides, the grain-of-rice sized ones used for pets are not going to be easy to find without an X-ray machine, let alone remove cleanly.

You can also add a disincentive:  take fingerprints, iris prints and DNA of all deportees.  If you find one who was chipped and removed it, hang them at the border and leave the body up for a week.

@129:  LOL!

Anonymous praetorian August 18, 2015 9:16 PM  

Meltdown Day 2: Rick Wilson Asks Ann Coulter If Donald Trump ‘Pays More for Anal’

http://i.imgur.com/SNq07.gif

TRUMP FACTS:

Donald Trump is leveling up so fast that Nate and Josh won't even realize when they've voted for him.

Underneath Donald Trumps hairpiece is another troll.

Anonymous Mr. Rational August 18, 2015 9:24 PM  

@140: Good point no need to transport them farther than the nearest ditch, that way they wont come back.

The utilitarian in me says it will pay to go to the nearest pig farm or rendering plant.

Blogger Sad Puppy August 18, 2015 9:26 PM  

At this point, if Trump wins, they will get the hell outta here on their own in fear of losing their wired money transfers.

Blogger JaimeInTexas August 18, 2015 9:29 PM  

Send who to Puerto Rico? Mexicans?

Anonymous rubberducky August 18, 2015 9:42 PM  

Trump went up on O'Reilly tonight and handled expected challenges.

1) 14th Amendment and "Birthright Citizenship". Trump correctly challenged the notion that the 14th Amendment mandated US citizenship for anyone born on US soil. It manifestly does not. There is a matter of "jurisdiction of the United States", which does have important meaning, of which most are unaware. It is not true that anyone born on US soil is a US citizen, and in fact the 14th Amendment explicitly says so in the case of American Indians (they are not under the jurisdiction of the United States, but rather under the jurisdiction of their various tribe nations). If they aren't, are, say Mexicans?

2) The courts are going to fight, and it's going to take too long for a constitutional amendment. Trump correctly said that an amendment is not necessary.

He might have added that all he really needs is a Congress injected with some balls, and that if they don't develop them he'll lead them. Under Article I of the Constitution Congress is given plenary authority on immigration and naturalization. They trump SCOTUS on this. Furthermore, even if as some argue that SCOTUS determines the "supreme law of the land" as the Constitution states, the Constitution also checks the court by leaving the jurisdiction of SCOTUS entirely up to Congress. Congress can, had it any balls at all, tell SCOTUS that matter such as immigration and naturalization (or anything else such as gay marriage) are entirely beyond their purview.

See Mark Levin on these legal matters, he's been writing effectively on them for years.

There are things a president and Congress can do. And frankly the problem is mostly in Congress, and entity that keeps ceding its powers over to the president and to the courts (and thereby disenfranchising us!).

It might be a good thing to have a president willing to kick Congress in the right direction.

Anonymous Discard August 18, 2015 9:52 PM  

rubberducky: The Supreme Court's job is, apparently, to pass the laws that the cuckservatives haven't the nerve to. The GOP goes along, ostensibly reluctantly, because they want the same things as the Demos.

Anonymous Discard August 18, 2015 10:02 PM  

I wrote at the top that Trump was speaking truth to power, but on second thought, might he be the one step back after the six or seven steps forward? Repatriation of illegals is not enough. Expel the green card holders and take a very close look at those who have been naturalized too. For example, if you brought your parents in and got them on Social Security, despite having sworn that they would not be a burden on the government, out you should go. Any stick will do to beat the invaders.
At least the national discussion has been opened.

Anonymous BGS August 18, 2015 10:21 PM  

OT: Same Sex Alimony kicking off. http://www.gaypatriot.net/2015/08/18/after-the-ssm-comes-the-ssdivorce-and-the-ssalimony/

"WNBA star Brittany Griner was back in court Monday trying to convince a judge she should not have to pay alimony to her ex-wife,...She’s asking $7,000 a month for her food budget and $6,000 for hired help and the rest to live on. "

Blogger David-093 August 19, 2015 12:04 AM  

We have to start somewhere, and illegal immigration is it. Wait for the illegals to start leaving, then go for the legal immigration argument. There has to be effective rhetoric on that of the kind that's been used for illegal immigration. Legal immigration is a problem too, so if it's going to be attacked it needs to be framed in a way that the public will respond to.

Blogger rho August 19, 2015 12:29 AM  

@167 There are things a president and Congress can do. And frankly the problem is mostly in Congress, and entity that keeps ceding its powers over to the president and to the courts (and thereby disenfranchising us!).

Yes, this exactly. Congress has over time let the other branches appropriate what is by law their responsibility; e.g. ceding policymaking over to the executive branch in matters such as environmental regulations.

Legislators have turned public service into a career, the media has turned lawmaking into a spectacle, and ideologues have fashioned a religion around all of it.

Tadvil made a hash of his point, but as I read it, it's accurate enough. Mass deportations are hard to do nicely, and nobody wants to be the sucker holding the real--or metaphorical--gun when it goes sour. Self-deportation would be slow, and spotty in effectiveness. There will not be a wall, and if it does appear, it won't work.

Anybody who thinks dealing with the immigration problem is easy is foolish. Here are my simple solutions: halt all immigration and non-visitation visas, from any country, for 10 years (hereafter known as the Coulter Sanction); all immigrants convicted of felonies are returned to their country of origin (after time served and after being well processed with fingerprint/facial mapping/DNA records) with the understanding that they are forever subject to dead-or-alive bounties if they return to the U.S.; re-architect the E-Verify system to assure that compliance means accuracy (hereafter known as "Unicorn Boner" for its perverse unpossibleness); enact discrimination laws that allow citizens to sue for damages if they are not hired while illegals are employed (hereafter known as the Schlichter Rule).

If you're a libertarian, or possibly a Christian, you'll be super annoyed that your SSN suddenly becomes highly relevant to the government, but that's the kind of price you pay for living in a technological modern world.

Anonymous Discard August 19, 2015 1:13 AM  

rho: Expelling the illegals will provoke a violent response. We're talking about a population with a murder rate five times that of Whites, and, as I learned when I was a teacher, a belief in their absolute right to this country. Even many of the younger Hispanic teachers felt that way. Mass deportations will not be done nicely, and they will become less nice quickly. The more violent the foreigners become, the more Whites will be willing to expel the lot, quickly and without elaborate administrative procedures.

Blogger rho August 19, 2015 1:32 AM  

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Blogger papabear August 19, 2015 1:37 AM  

The latest SJW victim: http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/18/politics/women-graduate-army-ranger-course/

Blogger Groot August 19, 2015 1:49 AM  

Are we still talking this president topic? I thought we'd agree that automatthew for president, running on a platform of letting only hot chicks in, was the winner. It seems glaringly obvious. BGS may disagree, but the rebuttal ... something about butts.

Orvil may be a troll, and I don't know what he said because he was memory-holed before I showed up, but that it is one effective troll. Bravo, sir, I award you an honorary Shakesperean insult: "Thy tongue outvenoms all the worms of Nile."

Anonymous 11B August 19, 2015 2:55 AM  

We have to start somewhere, and illegal immigration is it. Wait for the illegals to start leaving, then go for the legal immigration argument.

You are correct. You have to start somewhere and it is best to be incremental. Sure it will take longer. But you have to remember much of the public has been conditioned to think in a certain way. Too much change at once won't fly.

Recall the other side did not push gay marriage right off the bat. I recall as a kid gays only asking for the cops to stop shutting down gay bars and to arrest thugs who beat them up on the street. They in effect said they just wanted to be left alone. That morphed over the years into outright acceptance and now gay marriage.

The same will have to happen with this issue. You have to start with the illegals and when the public gets used to that, expand your target.

Blogger Mark Anto August 19, 2015 3:56 AM  

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Anonymous Discard August 19, 2015 3:56 AM  

11B: Given the rate of racial displacement, we don't have the 40 years. Fortunately, since we're advocating a change that most Whites want, we won't need that long.

Blogger scott holland August 19, 2015 7:41 AM  

@177 papabear,

I'm sure they'll sew their tabs on with pink thread.

Blogger JaimeInTexas August 19, 2015 8:06 AM  

@175 Discard, if the illegals refuse to leave and go violent, that will prove our point. If they leave voluntarily, it will prove our point. If we deport as we find them, no door-to-door, Gestapo style raids, we prove our point.

Blogger VFM bot #188 August 19, 2015 8:26 AM  

Thanks to Trump (and it is thanks to him, all you Trump haters) the message can now be articulated and won't be simply ignored. I don't think Trump actually believes any of it....

What if he does? What if he does, and he's acting on it?

Anonymous Eric Ashley August 19, 2015 9:26 AM  

Integration is possible. We just march into the illegals communities, confiscate all Mexican flags, soccer balls, and slap a 100% sin tax on burritos.....and now the same folk who say we can't integrate are screaming at me,.....and I 've just barely begun.

Practically, as long as the PTB stand in the way, repatriation is a necessity.

I suspect the PTB want to use the Browns as cannon fodder in any upcoming war.

I like the idea of dumping illegals in a foreign hellhole....but give them guns. If a hundred thousand Mexicans can take over Syria, good for them. They'll improve the place.

Blogger Sad Puppy August 19, 2015 9:40 AM  

@172

Hmm, i wonder if "loser pays" would be good here? The ex could then provide the other with the $13,000 a month just for being a greedy idiot.

Blogger Sad Puppy August 19, 2015 9:44 AM  

@173

I agree. Illegal immigration is ... illegal.

Legal immigration, on the other hand, should not be set in stone by some democrats. Every time they pass something, they seem to think it is set in stone forever.

Why do we have legal immigration? Are there some good reasons? If so, then fine. But once it starts affecting the natives, such as the amount of H1B visas, then it needs to be stopped. Not limited, but actually shut it down. This pure horseshit companies are saying they can't find people needs to be exposed. In tech, for instance, you can have 25 years of experience in dozens of languages, OS, etc, but they don't find that acceptable if you don't know some current buzzword crap. As if you couldn't figure it out.

Blogger Sad Puppy August 19, 2015 9:57 AM  

@179

You have to start somewhere and it is best to be incremental. Sure it will take longer. But you have to remember much of the public has been conditioned to think in a certain way. Too much change at once won't fly.

The same will have to happen with this issue. You have to start with the illegals and when the public gets used to that, expand your target
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I would have agreed with you 7 years ago, but now I don't. This is the point of stealing a page from Obama. If the next president comes in and immediately jumps on this issue, starts putting in the wall, grabbing the illegals transfer payments, then there is no need to go incremental. At least in regards to the illegals.

If he really wanted to jab a new thumb into the eyes of the establishment, he could supplement payments for the wall by purloining the money from some useless department like Energy or Education, and take that money to make the wall, round up illegals, etc.

But probably the majority of them are here for work, and I think they will mostly self deport if such a thing began to go down.

There will be court challenges and whatever, but why can't Trump get an attorney general that ignores lefty crap like Holder ignores things?

So, when the inevitable challenges make it to the supreme court, perhaps then it would mostly be done. Then what, the Supreme Court goes to Mexico, and begs to have them return 15 million illegals? At that point, I could see some agency rounding up the Supremes and putting them in Guantanamo.

Legal immigration needs to be really thrashed out. Such as these Somalian refuges, whatever crisis they were fleeing is probably over. Why are they still here?

Blogger Sad Puppy August 19, 2015 9:59 AM  

*slaps self* Yipes, I somehow assumed Trump was going to win there. I just hope his ideas on this subject win.

Blogger Justin C August 19, 2015 11:08 AM  

Here's a way to solve the Meso- American invasion and stimulate the economy.

$1000 bounty for every illegal caught. Every town needs a receiving center with buses running daily to the border or the airport. Our unemployed could make thousands a day!, in a month, supply side economics would kick in with the labor force and we'd have jobs for everyone who wanted one.

I do agree with what was said above, if millions of people can't be feasibly rounded up wit rifles and put on trains or buses, then the Holocaust never happened.

Anonymous Sheila August 19, 2015 11:18 AM  

@171 Discard, if you truly looked at just about any "legal" immigrant,for the past 30 years, I'd guesstimate upwards of 85% would easily qualify for eviction on the public charge or other basis. A huge percentage of them are on some sort of public support. The local subsidized apartments for seniors have been taken over by the parents of Indians and Chinese. The vast majority of "refugees" return to visit their country of origin with a few years.

The few grounds for legally refusing an immigrant visa have been gutted (used to be able to keep out prostitutes or others for moral turpitude, gays and various 3rd worlders for AIDs or TB, etc. but no longer) and most Foreign Service Officers are now SJWs who are more than happy to overlook sloppy paperwork or evidence of illegal activity. Back when I used to write up refusals, they all went to the guy in charge at State who was a Caribbean-born black who'd turn overturn all he could on the flimsiest of excuses. The law is merely a cover for the vast bureaucracy that exists to service the immigrants. You'd need to go through every agency with a fine-tooth comb; Obama alone has seeded people deeply throughout every level - even local Forest Service offices. The rot goes so deep it's indescribable, which is why I'm part of the "burn it all down" school of thought.

Anonymous Philipp August 19, 2015 1:09 PM  

The German Ministry of the Interior expects the number of "refugees" coming to Germany this year to be between 650,000 and 750,000. The German authorities decline any asylum requests from people from the Balkans (Albania, Serbia, Macedonia ect) and send them but that takes time and lots of money. Clearly the situation is unsustainable. If we European do not find the political will to stop Asians, Muslims and Africans to come here, then we will have race and religious wars very soon.

Anonymous Discard August 19, 2015 2:40 PM  

@191 Sheila: I recall reading about the Chinese grandparents who have effectively moved into student housing at UCLA. You're allowed to have guests stay overnight, so friendly gramma stays every night, cooking up rice for young T'ung. Mom and Dad back in China can rest easy, knowing that 'lil T'ung is being looked after properly amongst all those big-nosed round eyes. That was in the L.A. Times, a pro-multicult paper, so it's not an exaggeration.

Blogger Tiny Tim August 19, 2015 3:50 PM  

Where are Nate and Josh this afternoon?

Out block walking in Iowa for Rand?

Knock, knock... "Hi, we would like to put you down as a Rand Paul voter. May we?"

Homeowner: "Who?... do you have any of those Donald Trump stickers?"

Blogger Matamoros August 19, 2015 3:55 PM  

#73 You might want to ask the Native Americans about mass migration and their lands, way of life, and economy collapsing.

Yes, indeed. Ask the Indians about how their ancestors wiped out the original White inhabitants of North and South America.

It was probably through the same process as today with all the illegals.

See the Solutrean hypothesis for more info.

Blogger SciVo August 19, 2015 8:38 PM  

@ rienzi:

I've said the same thing. Why repatriate when we can export? I'm sure that Somalia would embrace such good people, so valuable that they would even be an asset to the USA (according to ¡Jeb!) -- and even if they're ingrates, they couldn't stop us.

Blogger Joshua Sinistar August 19, 2015 9:12 PM  

I think now everyone is seeing the pointlessness of continuing this Rump Government with its Rump Courts and the asinine imbeciles who ensure their own destruction by killing their friends and enabling their enemies.
This repatriation can happen overnight if the support for these invaders is snuffed out. I doubt they will stay if they have to starve and I also doubt most would even fight considering they won't even fight for themselves in the cesspits they came from.
Get rid of all the lawyers and the costs will be negligible to totally nonexistent. Impossible is only a word that fools and cowards use to hide thier genetic inferiority!

Blogger SciVo August 19, 2015 10:45 PM  

11B @179: We have to start somewhere, and illegal immigration is it. Wait for the illegals to start leaving, then go for the legal immigration argument.

You are correct. You have to start somewhere and it is best to be incremental. Sure it will take longer. But you have to remember much of the public has been conditioned to think in a certain way. Too much change at once won't fly.


I strongly disagree. Legal immigration can be immediately ended by an act of Congress. Why were you told that illegal immigration was the easier problem to tackle first?

Oh, that's right: SJWs always lie.

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