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Sunday, August 23, 2015

They proved Larry right

Milo offers a much more realistic take on the Hugo Awards:
“I said the Hugos were dominated by cliques that cared more about an author’s identity and politics than the quality of their work,” Sad Puppies founder Larry Correia told Breitbart. “Tonight they proved me right.”

Vox Day, an author and publisher who assembled the Rabid Puppies slate, agreed. “The scorched earth strategy being pursued by the SJWs in science fiction is evidence that we hold the initiative and we are winning,” he said. “The fact that the SJWs would rather give out no award rather than honor an influential editor like Toni Weisskopf of Baen Books or science fiction grandmaster John C. Wright demonstrates the extent to which science fiction has been politicized and degraded by their far-left politics. The SJWs will try to portray this as a victory – they would try to portray suicide by self-cannibalism as a victory – but anyone who knows anything about history understands the significance of one side resorting to burning down its own houses in order to deny it to the enemy. That is a defensive tactic borne of desperation.”

Like the empire at the end of The Empire Strikes Back, the forces of social justice believe they have the rebel puppy alliance on their knees. What they don’t realize is that the puppies are already plotting their approach to 2016, which may not include a large army of Ewoks, but certainly will include many more pissed off fans.

Science fiction fans of all types are left, like the punters in Heinlein’s Stranger in a Strange Land, unable to grok how their supposed fellow fans could choose to harm not only the awards themselves but the wider industry with vindictive, nihilistic self-immolation.
It's fascinating to see SJWs desperately trying to cling to their Narrative on Twitter and elsewhere. They're insisting that we're mad, that we're crying, that we're upset, when the fact is that I knew this would be the result this year prior to creating Rabid Puppies.

This is the difference between game designers and normal people. We think, we HAVE to think, in terms of consequences, both obvious and non-obvious. We started last year with 1,100 reliable anti-Puppy votes and 160 reliable pro-puppy votes. That meant we were 900 in the hole before we even got started.

That's why I was urging everyone not to adopt the tactics of the other side and mass-mobilize. Last year wasn't a good test because I wasn't involved in the organizing and the Dread Ilk really didn't get involved. There was no point in throwing the full weight of our effort into this year's awards when we had the chance to see a) what our core forces looked like and b) what their maximal forces looked like. That's why I told everyone that this year was about the nominations and the best we could reasonably hope for was to provoke them into voting No Award... which they dutifully did.

Our execution wasn't flawless. I made two mistakes, one which was fortuitous as it permitted Three Body Problem to make the shortlist and win, and one which was stupid as it cost us a 6th category in novelette. Our discipline could also have been better, although I don't see that it would have made any difference at all with regards to either the nominations or the awards. But I trust the moderate approach is now sufficiently discredited in everyone's eyes.

As for what comes next, we're going to be discussing RP plans for 2016 at a Closed Brainstorm session later this week; only Annual Members and Monthly Members who were registered before today will be permitted to attend. Suffice it to say that there will be plenty for everyone, VFM, Rabids, Dread Ilk, and new Rabid converts alike, to do in the coming year.

Meanwhile, the Beautiful but Evil Space Princess gradually begins to grok the Evil ways of the Supreme Dark Lord:
Until today I viewed him as a mirror of the SJW posturing.  I retract that and I give him full measure of applause.  Yes, his views are still repulsive and he still makes my skin crawl as often as the Marxists do, but you know what?  At least he has a brain and uses it.  Those of you celebrating might want to take a deep breath and wonder — for just a minute — if you did anything more than what Vox wanted.  Because from where I’m sitting, the man that set out to destroy the field and prove that everyone calling themselves its leadership were mannerless and brainless children not only won last night, he won walking away. He won without DOING anything.  He won by convincing yourselves to hit yourselves repeatedly with the obvious hammers of partisanship, lack of care for quality and INTEREST in the health of the field.  And before you died, you gloated you had won.  The mind boggles.

Well done, Vox Day.  My laughter is tinged with tears because I don’t know if the field I loved will ever recover from stupidity displayed in such an open manner. I think today I prove the Valentine Michael Smith adage that sometimes you laugh because it hurts too much to cry.
I suspect last night was a lot harder for writers like Sarah and Brad, who once considered the morons blithely running around with matches their colleagues, friends, and peers, to witness their antics last night than it was for me. After my one visit to MiniCon, I never considered them anything more than psychologically damaged human wreckage, so it doesn't surprise me in the slightest that they were dumb enough to play it that way. After all, SJWs always double down.

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200 Comments:

Anonymous Book_Girl August 23, 2015 3:08 PM  

We have a good idea of their numbers now. And we know that we can attract a whole lot more. I don't know how many more they can get though. I'm actually not in the slightest upset by their three or four thousand vote advantage right now. Those are small numbers. We can make that up.

Did the rule change for nominations in 2017 go through? Any one know?

Blogger Harsh August 23, 2015 3:18 PM  

Don't forget that the SJWs don't want to just burn down the house as it stands today, they want to erase the past and all the great authors who came before. They want to expunge Heinlein and Asimov and Clarke and Bradbury from the history of science fiction. They want to destroy past and present what we love.

We can never forget this and we can never stop until they are defeated.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan August 23, 2015 3:22 PM  

I double dog dare them to double down

Blogger Cataline Sergius August 23, 2015 3:22 PM  

...which may not include a large army of Ewoks, but certainly will include many more pissed off fans.

Yeah, that is an item for the hotwash. Leave the Ewoks behind next time.

Mark Kloos is a good writer but when I first looked up his blog, it was post after post about a dog of his that had just died. One post is sufficient for a dear family pet. More hand wringing than that indicates a problem of character.

Kloos was clearly never going to stay hard once the heat was on and he wasn't the only one. It doesn't do us a lot of good when a quarter of our ballot suddenly raises the white flag and then switches sides.

Ah well, notes for next year.

Anonymous Godfrey August 23, 2015 3:23 PM  

"No Award" was the objective. What can we make them do next year?

Anonymous LurkingPuppy August 23, 2015 3:30 PM  

I made two mistakes, and one which was stupid as it cost us a 6th category in novelette.

Oh. I assumed that you knew ‘Yes, Virginia’ would be disqualified, and burned a nomination slot on it intentionally.

That certainly had some beneficial effects:

(a) it allowed Them to demonstrate that WSFS rules will be enforced selectively for Their benefit;

(b) it allowed one piece of the SJWs' utter crap to appear on the ballot, so the moderates (which included me at the time) would have a taste of what the Puppy-kickers would have filled the short-fiction categories with this year shoved in their (our) faces; and

(c) it gave the CHORFs an opportunity to show the world that they will all vote to give an award to utter crap.


Anyway, Big Boys Don't Cry— they bounce the rubble.

Anonymous MrGreenMan August 23, 2015 3:40 PM  

The File 770 comments suggest they are in the process of destroying themselves by passing their proposals.

Blogger Jack Ward August 23, 2015 3:40 PM  

I mentioned this on another posting here but repeat in case it was not noticed. Over at 770 this morning I encountered at least one comment that threatened to hit the Puppy movement hard with denial of service attacks.
OK
Questions are; if they do this should we respond in kind. And, if we are to respond in kind might there be an addition into the upcoming sjw handbook on how denial of service attacks work and how to do them? Those may not even be legal; but, I would like to know. Now, if such a subject is not appropriate for the new manual I, and others, might like some links to how this tactic operates. Just for information on how to counter same, of course.

OpenID okrahead August 23, 2015 3:40 PM  

I didn't vote this year.... but I did enjoy the popcorn.
1) I'm glad Three Body Problem won. Even if the knuckleheads are determined to burn their own houses I still loved seeing a piece of quality hard-sci fi take home a prize.
2) I have never watched a Hugo award show before... What is wrong with those people? And where did that twit get off telling his audience it was "inappropriate" (most weasely weasel word of all time) to boo a "no award"? I could understand not booing a nominee or winner, but what kind of jackass cheers for "no award" and thinks that's positive?
3) This isn't over until John C Wright takes home a box full of those strange little trophies.
4) Remember for the future... The little fellow who praised Irene Gallo, and the goon with the asterisks.. Payback there must be.

I think I may decide to vote next year after all.... Some of my friends have indicated the same thought... None of us voted this year.

Anonymous The other robot August 23, 2015 3:41 PM  

"No Award" was the objective. What can we make them do next year?

Whatever it will be it will be money better spent than buying the last few years crappy Science Fiction Anthologies.

Blogger Mark Citadel August 23, 2015 3:41 PM  

So they cannibalized their own awards, they hit the self-destruct button in their pathetic little den. It may be sad that deserving authors have been robbed, but rejoice! This is a victory regardless.

Anonymous Achilles August 23, 2015 3:44 PM  

I like John C. Wright's work, especially Golden Age, but I don't believe he is a Sci-Fi Grand Master?

Blogger Groot August 23, 2015 3:44 PM  

This picture of the Hugo winners appears on Instapundit: 16 men, 9 women, all white.

Anonymous Dave August 23, 2015 3:44 PM  

"I don’t know if the field I loved will ever recover"

It is troubling that Hoyt seems to believe this is only a recent phenomenon. Where were the tears the last number of years for the Tor cabal and the dreck that were being awarded Hugos?

As you stated Hoyt is gradually beginning to grok your evil ways, let's hope she's much faster to grok SJWs

Anonymous Godfrey August 23, 2015 3:56 PM  

I didn't buy a Tot book today. I didn't buy one yesterday and I won't buy one tomorrow.

Anonymous NateM August 23, 2015 3:56 PM  

The difference is, Sarah and Brad wanted to believe in the Intelligence and Decency of their colleagues on the other side, Larry wanted to at least believe they were decent, and Vox believes in neither. (or just doesn't care)

Blogger VD August 23, 2015 3:57 PM  

Vox believes they are neither intelligent nor decent. They are twisted, malicious human wreckage.

Blogger ScuzzaMan August 23, 2015 3:57 PM  

@15: What the hell is she talking about, anyway? Does she think people are just going to stop writing science fiction and fantasy? Stop reading it, because a few fans got together and actually made it interesting? Made a valid point regarding its long slow continuous slide into self-referential idiocy?

I don't get it.

What does she think is going to happen now?

Anonymous agathis August 23, 2015 3:58 PM  

I have to admit ... you surprised me with this. It's not like you were hiding what you were doing. I figured they'd ignore your efforts and pretend you didn't exist, vote on the books and be done with it. I thought you were underestimating them. But no, it turns out you were right. They behaved exactly as you said they would. And they don't even realize it. It's ... insane.

Blogger Jim August 23, 2015 4:01 PM  

Since I don't qualify for the Brainstorm, please allow me to offer one suggestion.

Scalzi has a nice contract for 13 books. Wouldn't it be funny if we gave him a Hugo nomination for each and every one? Fill the rest of the slate in with complete and utter crap. (Some minions might want to write and publish some drivel under the pen name Noah Ward that we nominate to ensure no withdrawals), and then we sit back and enjoy the show. Scalzi either wins the award because we have given to it him as a sign of contempt, or he has to run from it. Either way, the Hugo becomes an anti-award.

Blogger Cataline Sergius August 23, 2015 4:03 PM  

I like John C. Wright's work, especially Golden Age, but I don't believe he is a Sci-Fi Grand Master?

As opposed to pedo-porn lovin Chip Delany

Anonymous Bastiat August 23, 2015 4:04 PM  

"I like John C. Wright's work, especially Golden Age, but I don't believe he is a Sci-Fi Grand Master?"

He definitely is. I've been reading and re-reading all his work over the past year and a half. I have read almost all of Asimov growing up and all of Zahn throughout college, and now reading Wright is akin to those, only better. (note: I've tried other sci-fi books, and the only ones I've kept reading is the EU Star Wars novels which are hit and miss but generally decent to above average)

Mr. Wright should have won short story in 2014 (or novelette or whatever Awake is categorized), and his Judge of Ages should have been nominated this past year. His Golden Age, and Chaos series are amazing speculative/science fiction worlds, and his most recent Somewhither pushes the norm even further. I read through the Hyperion books this year for the first time, and honestly couldn't wait to finish them to re-read Wright's awesomeness. Trying to read through The Dark Tower now, and while it's a decent read, would much prefer to drop it and pick up Mr. Wright's newest novel he said he finished (but has yet to be released).

Anonymous QuietExModerate August 23, 2015 4:05 PM  

Couple of points.

1) I would argue that there's nothing wrong with a moderate position, up until the point where the opposition shows that it's not willing to listen. Think of it as the guy who tries to calm down a potential fist fight. Moderates stopping stood fights happening is fine. But when they do occur anyway they should either shut up, or help the defender.

Up until now, negotiation might have been possible. The other side is clearly not interested.

2) could someone explain the asterisk thing? I suspect it's a US supporting reference, which bypasses those of use from other parts of the world.

3) 2600 "fans" no awarded Jim Butcher. Well, that kills my moderate status. What the hell were they thinking?

Anonymous FisherOfMen August 23, 2015 4:06 PM  

>>One post is sufficient for a dear family pet. More hand wringing than that indicates a problem of character.

Methinks you've never bonded with a dog.

Anonymous Rhys August 23, 2015 4:12 PM  

Clark is overrated. He replaced van vogt in the 80s as one of the big 3 thanks to proto-sjws

Anonymous Nathan August 23, 2015 4:14 PM  

What happens if a category gets No Award two years running?

Anonymous Scintan August 23, 2015 4:14 PM  

However… However… if we burn it all down, what we’ll be doing is destroying forever the reputation and the history of the award Heinlein (among others) won. And while the last few years have gone a long way towards doing just that, I — like my comrade at arms and brother-of-the-heart Brad Torgersen — would prefer if we could save it.


She still doesn't see it.

Blogger Salt August 23, 2015 4:15 PM  

The SJWs truly think the world agrees with them.

It's time to continue efforts towards resolution of the The Irene Gallo Affair.

Blogger ray August 23, 2015 4:17 PM  

'I think today I prove the Valentine Michael Smith adage that sometimes you laugh because it hurts too much to cry.'


Sloppy soppy. RH guessed a lot. And worse.

When it hurts enough, you will start crying, like everybody. Eventually weeping over wickedness lessens, otherwise you sit around night 'n day and blubber. Not too productive.

If the joyful and beautiful remains don't get a few tears, well that's when you know you're in trouble.

Blogger Cataline Sergius August 23, 2015 4:23 PM  

Something of interest from Brad Torgersen's Facebook page.

Numbers of interest.
Toni Weisskopf got 1216 first-line #1 votes. Arguably the most of any editor in the history of the Hugo awards.

Sheila Gilbert got 754 first-line #1 votes. Again, second only to Toni, arguably the most of any editor in the history of the Hugo awards.

By contrast, Patrick-Nielsen Hayden won a Best Editor Hugo in 2010, with just 140 first-line #1 votes.

2011 saw Lou Anders take a trophy with 207 first-line #1 votes.

2012 got Betsy Wolheim a trophy, with 333 first-line #1 votes.

2013 gave yet another trophy to Patrick Nieslen-Hayden with 209 first-line #1 votes.

2014 was Ginjer Buchanan getting a "going away present" retirement trophy with 359 first-line #1 votes.

Now, because of the way the Australian ballot works, the person with the most first-line #1 votes is not always the winner. But that's usually the way to bet. Whoever gets the most first-line #1 votes is almost always the winner.
Except for this year."


As we know The SJWs snubbed Toni Wieskopf.

John Scalzi and the like are of course breaking their flabby arms patting themselves on the the back over having pulled out all the stops and heroically, humiliated a single mother who had no connection to us at all.

Well done John. You are credit to your father.

Whoever that was.

Blogger Maple Curtain August 23, 2015 4:25 PM  

"I said the Hugos were dominated by cliques that cared more about an author’s identity and politics than the quality of their work..."

I would suggest that, in a parallel of Pournelle's Iron Law of Bureaucracy, all "awards" bestowed by institutions of one sort or another, no matter how nobly initiated with respect to the celebration of excellence, are destined to decline to the point where they are just another avenue for a clique of rabbit-people (mediocrities) to take turns boosting the fragile egos within that clique through log-rolling.

Blogger Doom August 23, 2015 4:25 PM  

I am pleased with Sarah's pain. And Brad's, if you say so. The ones who understand and can do nothing, because the side they have chosen is so corrupt and grotesque should know pain. Being smart enough to see it means nothing. Without the wisdom to reject it, on it's face, means their supposed intelligence is a death sentence... to culture, to creativity, and if they have any skill in truth, that would eventually have been destroyed by what they supposedly support.

Burn!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Anonymous Bz August 23, 2015 4:32 PM  

"one comment that threatened to hit the Puppy movement hard with denial of service attacks."

Seems unlikely. If some SJW genius does do it, I expect him to get caught and displayed in amusing and embarrassing ways. Something like "Twitter transsexual community liaison sentenced for denial of service attacks against competitor." (picture of fat, wild eyed, unshaven thing with lipstick and dress being escorted out of court.) "Settlement reached! Twitter CEO: We apologize to Blogspot, Vox Day and others targeted and will deploy an extra performance review this quarter in order to reach our profitability goals."

Blogger Jack Ward August 23, 2015 4:34 PM  

@Jim 20
You know, that has a certain appeal to it. I would have to grit my teeth and throw up afterwards, but I might just vote for something like this. But, I think it should be done in 2017 AFTER the Puppy movement has nuked the 2016 awards.

Blogger Elocutioner #0226 August 23, 2015 4:42 PM  

They're mourning the ideal that was lost, the illusions that they had been sold and bought into. It sucks to go through but they'll be stronger on the other side. Let the scales fall from their eyes.

Blogger Salt August 23, 2015 4:45 PM  

The temptation is great, and I know it’s what Beale wants, and OF COURSE can manipulate the SJWs into doing.

However… However… if we burn it all down, what we’ll be doing is destroying forever the reputation and the history of the award Heinlein (among others) won.


The question Sarah Hoyt need ask herself is, would Heinlein (et al) want to preserve it simply because he had won one? Or would he see it for what it has become, a moldy remembrance of better times, now in severe disrepair, and only deserving of being chucked in the trash.

Blogger automatthew August 23, 2015 4:50 PM  

"one comment that threatened to hit the Puppy movement hard with denial of service attacks."

Please. Please, rabbits, do engage in criminal activity.

Anonymous NateM August 23, 2015 4:57 PM  

@17

that's about what I figured. Larry and the others are a bit more forgiving by nature than the Dark Lord, That and they don't want to believe these people have genuinely malicious intent

Anonymous Godfrey August 23, 2015 5:02 PM  

The objective should be the destruction of the Hugo Awards.

The Hugo Awards are illegitimate. The Hugo Awards are a scam. The Hugo Awards are a ripoff. The Hugo Awards are a cartel. They're fixed. They're rotten. They're corrupt. They're political.

I'm very happy with the result. The pups forced the SJWs to PROVE the truth of the accusation.

The mask has been torn off and all the world beholds the hideous face.

I stand and applaud the "No Award" vote. Thank you assholes, you PROVED our case. It reminds me of an old "Perry Mason " episode. CASE CLOSED.

Blogger Daniel August 23, 2015 5:03 PM  

What Sarah didn't realize until now was that No Award was always intended to be a grueling initiation trial...for newcomers to Rabid Puppies.

Welcome aboard, Sarah. Welcome aboard.

Anonymous Amok Time August 23, 2015 5:06 PM  

I was not included in the voting this year as i had other commitments. However, in 2016, i will shake the cages of my compatriots and old-time SF readers to join the Academy and assist in the crushing of SJW's skulls!

Anonymous Mr.A is Mr.A August 23, 2015 5:10 PM  

G[(Rape)^2] Martin apparently is already pushing for the 2015 Anti-Puppy 'Bot voters to hit the SP4 nomination process for '16. I wonder how effective he will be in cajoling the uninformed voter-on-site-at-Worldcon members and the twisted shoggoths to stick together over the next few months. Attaching himself more and more to the Hugo 2016 event could accelerate his undoing by Clan Shoggoth, especially if the Award continues to burn.

Blogger Josh August 23, 2015 5:15 PM  

This comment from file770 is an excellent example of SJWs always lie and SJWs always project:

In that way, the Puppy campaigns are just another tendril of a shoggoth we’ve seen many times over. It surfaced in GamerGate and the SFWA Bulletin flap, it rampages across Fox News, and its glazed eyes peer back at us from the MRA, PUA, KKK, and Tea Party movements. It howls with the screech of every toddler ever forced to share his toys and speaks with the soft words of every sexual predator who has slipped something into a drink, of every employer who has seen an employee’s skirt as reason enough to deny them a promotion, and of every abuser who’s shed crocodile tears while promising never, ever to do it again… right before picking up another couple of six-packs. Their arguments are flimsy because they only exist as recognition signals and cheap disguises. The reality lies underneath, in their privileged sense of entitlement: This belongs to me, and you can’t have it because you’re not one of us.

I, for one, am very glad to see fandom standing fast upon this bridge, facing the Balrog with those immortal words that nobody here needs me to repeat.

Blogger bob k. mando August 23, 2015 5:19 PM  

23. QuietExModerate August 23, 2015 4:05 PM
2) could someone explain the asterisk thing?



it's yet another carryover from American professional sports.

when you have a career accomplishments like Barry Bond's home run record ( accomplished via steroids and MLB refusing to test ), they are said to "have an asterisk" next to their place in the record books.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Major_League_Baseball_record_holders#Single-season


this is opposed to something like the East German women's swim team or Lance Armstrong, who actually did get busted and had their records vacated.

Anonymous Strange Aeons August 23, 2015 5:20 PM  

The tachometer that once tracked SJW narrative-spinning is cracked and trampled beneath VFM boots and Puppy paws, and my stein of wrongmirth runneth over.
Barkeep, another round for the Dread Ilk, that we may drink to the Dark Lord.

#0017

Blogger bob k. mando August 23, 2015 5:24 PM  

38. NateM August 23, 2015 4:57 PM
Larry and the others are a bit more forgiving by nature than the Dark Lord



*shrugs*

i dunno about that. i remember when Vox was still trying to play pattycake with Scalzi and making blog posts approving of him.

Vox didn't really start to fix his baleful gaze on Scalzi until after Scalzi started shitting on him regularly.

then Scalzi threatened to resign from SFWA unless Vox was faux-expelled, and it was on like Donkey Kong.

Anonymous kfg August 23, 2015 5:24 PM  

"SJWs always double down."

Geometric progression can be fun.

@23: "I would argue that there's nothing wrong with a moderate position, up until the point where the opposition shows that it's not willing to listen."

Where have you been for the past century?

Anonymous QuietExModerate August 23, 2015 5:25 PM  

44. bob k. mando. - Thank you.

Blogger Danby August 23, 2015 5:27 PM  

The reality lies underneath, in their privileged sense of entitlement: This belongs to me, and you can’t have it because you’re not one of us.

SJWs ALWAYS project.

i wonder if it is even cpable of seeing what it did there.

Blogger automatthew August 23, 2015 5:29 PM  

The Hugo Awards was a beautiful woman. She kept the wrong company and picked up a nasty infection. She turned into a zombie, and she started eating brains. Prions are a bitch.

Now, her father and brothers weren't sure how exactly this infection worked. Is she truly undead, body driven by supernatural powers of evil? Or is this a disease that can be cured?

Her menfolk figured out a test. It was a helluva test. Not only would it distinguish between curable and incurable, it would weaken the monster if it were undead, but it would strengthen the daughter if she were only ill.

We ran the test, and the results were conclusive.

Blogger bob k. mando August 23, 2015 5:33 PM  

interesting dissertation on social dominance / manipulation amongst the LA hippy-freak scene:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3abc2U956H8&feature=youtu.be&t=8m

Anonymous QuietExModerate August 23, 2015 5:33 PM  

@47. kfg

For the last 15 months, raising my new son. Now we're getting some sleep, I have a little more time.

On other hand, it's very hard to say how many conflicts the moderates (on all sides ) prevent. Conflict is loud; deescalation is very quiet.

But I would agree that it's clearly pointless in this field now.

Blogger AmyJ August 23, 2015 5:43 PM  

My husband mentioned off-hand that WorldCon is in KC next year, which is a doable trip for us. Never in a million years would I ever have been interested in attending that freak show, but after last night....

We may have to go. I'd love to watch it all collapse in person, especially if it's going to be more thorough than this year. The only downside is that the Puppy supporters will be more obvious in the audience, as evidenced by their maniacal laughter.

Anonymous Bob August 23, 2015 5:44 PM  

http://www.wired.com/2015/08/won-science-fictions-hugo-awards-matters/

If you want something smart to read; correctly explains the REALITY of Hugo awards

Blogger rycamor August 23, 2015 5:45 PM  

While watching all this unfold, I have also been reading through Riding the Red Horse, and found an interesting note in Tom Kratman's piece "Learning to Ride the Red Horse":

Finally, it should be noted that we in the West tend to see objectives in physical terms. Capture this city, establish a lodgment on that side of the river or sea, destroy that factory..." (etc)

He goes on to explain that sometimes we tend to forget that the enemy might have non-physical objectives, as the communist objective in Vietnam was not to win battles but to destroy our morale while preserving their own.

The SJWs make exactly that mistake, thinking our objective was to win this or that award for "our side". It's not about the award. We have a much longer goal. Their morale will be the first thing that is destroyed, possibly as soon as 2016. But even that is just a short-term objective in a larger goal of rescuing some remnant of Western civilization.

Blogger Jew613 August 23, 2015 5:48 PM  

It will be good if the moderates wake up and realize the Hugo's must be destroyed. But Sarah Hoyt gets so close and then talks herself out of it. So I am not optimistic the moderates have woken up yet. They may need another hard lesson from the SJWs.

Blogger Josh August 23, 2015 5:49 PM  

If you want something smart to read; correctly explains the REALITY of Hugo awards

And it's linked in the preceding post.

Idiot.

Anonymous Sheila August 23, 2015 5:50 PM  

Vox, there's an absolutely perfect parallel to the Hugos over in Michigan. A non-PC short story was initially judged among the best out of 30 submissions . . . until the author was revealed as a badthinker. I read a brief headline about this and forgot to check it out, then saw this marvelous article over at the Occidental Observer. Kyle Bristow's award was rescinded and the entire contest canceled. Exact same thing - burning down one's house to deny it to the "enemy" is a tactic borne of desperation by the losing forces.

Anonymous Boogeyman VFM #240 August 23, 2015 5:51 PM  

May I humbly suggest that next year the puppies put up another slate, then vote no award on everything. The SJWs will be stuck between their desire to vote against anything the puppies propose, and their loathing to vote with the puppies. Get 'em coming and going.

Anonymous Nxx August 23, 2015 5:51 PM  

Over at 770 this morning I encountered at least one comment that threatened to hit the Puppy movement hard with denial of service attacks.

The Vox Popoli blog is hosted by blogspot and blogspot is owned by an internet company called Google.

Google operates some 1m servers, or 3 per cent of the total number in use in data centres around the world - Financial Times

They want to launch a DDOS attack against one million Google servers??

Right.

Somebody please notify the APA that the folks at 770 are suffering from Advanced Post-Butthurt Delusion.

Anonymous Steve August 23, 2015 5:54 PM  

Meanwhile, the Beautiful but Evil Space Princess gradually begins to grok the Evil ways of the Supreme Dark Lord

Narrator: "Sooner or later, we all became what Tyler wanted us to be."

Yes, his views are still repulsive

At the risk of my buttocks being flayed and then salted under Malwyn's tender ministrations, I don't always agree with Vox's view of the world either. Though "repulsive" is an emotional reaction I only feel when seeing NAMBLA supporters, abortionists, doughy male feminists, or rainbow-haired she-twinks of either sex, and certainly not when a man makes an empirical statement I happen to disagree with.

But here's the thing...

The Dread Liege is that rarest and most dangerous of creatures: an honest man.

Most people have an inbuilt Thinkstop module that kicks in when contemplation of logic and facts takes them into (whatever the current fashions dictate is) Badthink territory. At that point, the gears of reason grind to an abrupt halt, the valves and diodes on their Thinkstop widget light up and - bleep! bloop! - they switch to fuzzy logic and unexamined slogans so as to preserve the Goodfeels.

There's probably good evolutionary psych reasons for that, but it's a) annoying and b) increasingly, a luxury the men of the West can't afford.

If we were to erect a monument to the spirit of our age, it wouldn't be something sublime like the Eiffel Tower, St. Peter's Basilica or the Empire State Building. No grandiose frescos would decorate it. No wondrous ostentations in gold leaf and lapis lazuli would adorn it. No clean-limbed marble statuary would guard it.

No, it'd be a squat, ugly thing, like a paleolithic fertility fetish or a Morlock or typical WorldCon polyamory enthusiast. It would be sexless, androgynous and gendernonconforming all at the same time, and rendered in drab wattle and daub. Its most striking feature would be a great big mealy mouth, from which would drip liquid bromides and taurine fecal matter. Hordes of hooting crypto-humanoids in their mobility scooters would gather under this toxic shower to pray for equality and more all-you-can-eat buffets.

How many men truly have the courage of their convictions? Are prepared to debate them openly, with no holds barred and no cow too sacred to turn into hamburgers? Damn few.

But Vox Day is such a man. That terrifies the fuck out of a lot of people, and well it might. There is nothing more ego-scaldingly painful than honesty.

Anonymous Mr.A is Mr.A August 23, 2015 5:54 PM  

Jew613 likely Tad (per automatthew in another post). Recommend not replying to it.

Anonymous LurkingPuppy August 23, 2015 5:57 PM  

@50: Prions are a bitch.

That's a very important point; thank you for bringing it up!

Remember, folks, all this talk of feasting on our enemies' remains is only a running joke. You don't actually want to eat them! God only knows what kind of horrible diseases you would catch from them if you did.

OpenID corvinus333 August 23, 2015 5:58 PM  

Yeah... the SJWs couldn't have done a better job at proving the Puppies' point to the world if the Puppies were mind-controlling them to act like parodies of SJWs. That award ceremony was hideous. Full of lame jokes, disorganization, and lame jokes about the disorganization. If I were John C. Wright, I would consider it an honor that those freaks didn't want to give him one of their toy rocketships.

What a bunch of complete, utter turds.

And of course, Mr. Gerrold etc. were merely the representatives for the crowd. The rest of the folks at Worldcon were mostly a sad lot of Gammas, Omegas, Lambdas, and ugly feminists. And heavily Boomers to boot. Heavily overweight too, for that matter.

I don't feel nearly so bad about the idea of burning it all down after this.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents August 23, 2015 6:02 PM  

'I think today I prove the Valentine Michael Smith adage that sometimes you laugh because it hurts too much to cry.'

I think Sarah Hoyt is beginning to progress through the Kubler-Ross mourning process. It will be interesting to see when she reaches the anger stage.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents August 23, 2015 6:03 PM  

The rest of the folks at Worldcon were mostly a sad lot of Gammas, Omegas, Lambdas, and ugly feminists. And heavily Boomers to boot. Heavily overweight too, for that matter.

This comment looks heavily redundant. Especially the last two sentences.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents August 23, 2015 6:08 PM  

Most people have an inbuilt Thinkstop module that kicks in when contemplation of logic and facts takes them into (whatever the current fashions dictate is) Badthink territory. At that point, the gears of reason grind to an abrupt halt, the valves and diodes on their Thinkstop widget light up and - bleep! bloop! - they switch to fuzzy logic and unexamined slogans so as to preserve the Goodfeels.

I know that you were not in my Sunday school today. But you could have been. Oh, yes, you could have been.

"Did God truly say?" is the first step to any heresy, and it's a seductive thing because it gives an excuse to step away from feelbads and judgeyness and all that "no exceptions" business.

The answer is, "yeah. He said that. More than once. You no like? Your problem, not God's". Few men will give it. I'm getting there...

Blogger bob k. mando August 23, 2015 6:09 PM  

61. Steve August 23, 2015 5:54 PM
and taurine fecal matter



might i say, this is a most excellent turn of phrase.

did you intend this?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taurine

Anonymous Forrest Bishop VFM #0167 August 23, 2015 6:10 PM  

3. Mr.MantraMan August 23, 2015 3:22 PM
I double dog dare them to double down

Ask and ye shall receive.

Vox Day ‏@voxday 2h2 hours ago
This is funny. The SJWs in SF are so happy with their "victory" last night that they just passed BOTH rules changes, EPH and 4/6. KABOOM!

Blogger bornagainpenguin August 23, 2015 6:11 PM  

Since the plan is already to nuke the Hugos from orbit next year, could we sweeten the pot by purposely nominating things that the SJWs would love to see on the ballots so when they all get No Awarded they can see for themselves just how small they truly are in number?

Certainly better tactical minds than myself are already pondering these things but I think discovering just how tiny they truly are would make for a really fun display of salt and histrionics.

Blogger Jack Ward August 23, 2015 6:16 PM  

@Nxx 60
Thanks Nxx. I formally withdraw my comments about DDOS attacks. It never occurred to me the scope of such a thing from my lack of knowledge. As appealing as the idea is we are better than that. We swing our swords in open battle and win or lose on our skills and persistence. If their backers out spend us, fine. Let their bottom line suffer. Meanwhile, we support the best of the authors and editors and they, overall, make more money than the pc crowd. And, we can enjoy all this fun for a very small amount of money. The cost of a medium good meal for two.

Anonymous JJGT August 23, 2015 6:19 PM  

They burned down their house and fields. I'll cheerfully join the VFM and salt their land next year.

Anonymous Dave August 23, 2015 6:20 PM  

@58 Sheila

While reading your post I was thinking this fellow should sue the contest organizers. Then from your link it turns out the Mich. State Bar holds this contest. How appropriate.

This fellow did not win the contest but was given fifth place and a donation by the state bar of $300 awarded to a legal aid org. Nowhere does it state the donation was withdrawn so probably nipping in legal action as the contest has been discontinued. Would've been fun if he did sue the Bar

Anonymous Rick Grimes August 23, 2015 6:22 PM  

The Hugo Awards was a beautiful woman. She kept the wrong company and picked up a nasty infection. She turned into a zombie, and she started eating brains. Prions are a bitch.

Now, her father and brothers weren't sure how exactly this infection worked. Is she truly undead, body driven by supernatural powers of evil? Or is this a disease that can be cured?

Her menfolk figured out a test. It was a helluva test. Not only would it distinguish between curable and incurable, it would weaken the monster if it were undead, but it would strengthen the daughter if she were only ill.

We ran the test, and the results were conclusive.


Stuff...

And things.

Anonymous anonimo August 23, 2015 6:26 PM  

Since the plan is already to nuke the Hugos from orbit next year

Wait, I thought it was to play kingmaker?

Blogger automatthew August 23, 2015 6:31 PM  

I don't always disagree with Vox...

Blogger automatthew August 23, 2015 6:32 PM  

I am fairly sure that Jew613 is NOT Tad. Apologies if I was unclear before.

Blogger Cataline Sergius August 23, 2015 6:33 PM  

@75

Pick the right king and you can easily do both.

Blogger Rantor August 23, 2015 6:35 PM  

I think Castalia House needs to have a booth at the next worldcon. I think there will be enough volunteers to man it (I will try to be there myself). We could have some of the hardbacks to sell, and maybe a discount code For the website. Big guys and smart girls manning it... And we take down everything at night to prevent vandalism. We could also set up book signings and perhaps figure out how to hold a panel on subjects of interest to us...

Anonymous Mr.A is Mr.A August 23, 2015 6:38 PM  

@77 Automatthew -- no, I jumped the gun and mad a bad assumption on your warning post (I just reviewed the pertinent post). Apologies to all and especially to Jew613.

Blogger automatthew August 23, 2015 6:39 PM  

I like to leave a wake of comment-corpses behind me when dealing with trolls, rather than silently disappearing them.

OpenID corvinus333 August 23, 2015 6:40 PM  

This comment looks heavily redundant. Especially the last two sentences.

@66 A Paradigm
Rhetorical effect + bitter humor.

Mainly because I was quite gobsmacked at how so much egregiously worse they are than an average selection of Americans one would find elsewhere in other venues.

Anonymous LurkingPuppy August 23, 2015 6:42 PM  

@79: And we take down everything at night to prevent vandalism.

No— leave some tempting target for vandalism up as a honeypot, get surveillance video of whoever attacks it, and force the concom and local authorities to punish the perpetrator(s).

Anonymous Steve August 23, 2015 6:44 PM  

A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents - I know that you were not in my Sunday school today. But you could have been. Oh, yes, you could have been.

Unless it was held on consecrated ground. That causes me... difficulties.

"Did God truly say?" is the first step to any heresy, and it's a seductive thing because it gives an excuse to step away from feelbads and judgeyness and all that "no exceptions" business.

Did you ever see that episode of the X-Files where there was an urbane liberal, feelgood, God-thinks-you're-awesome pastor and a fire-n-brimstone, evangelical, Bible-thumping redneck pastor, and the story brilliantly subverted the audience's prejudice about who'd turn out to be a devil?

I never really thought, when I was younger, about the old saying that the road to Hell is paved with good intentions. But it is. Big, shiny, opalescent flagstones of noble intentions and mortared with pretty little lies. If it were ugly, it'd be easier to avoid.

bob k. mando - Thank you. I did not. You learn something new every day around here.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents August 23, 2015 6:53 PM  

I think Castalia House needs to have a booth at the next worldcon.

Will the next WorldCon be in an open-carry state? Just wondering.

Blogger Harsh August 23, 2015 6:53 PM  

Up until now, negotiation might have been possible. The other side is clearly not interested.

Not really. Peace was never an option with the SJWs. They simply cannot be negotiated with. Ever. Destroy them and drive them from your lands.

Anonymous Big Big Train August 23, 2015 6:56 PM  

Wait, I thought it was to play kingmaker?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZVgqB0rkRk

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents August 23, 2015 6:57 PM  

Mainly because I was quite gobsmacked at how so much egregiously worse they are than an average selection of Americans one would find elsewhere in other venues.

And given the selection of Americans one finds elsewhere, especially the older Boomers, that is really saying something. So what level of visible tattage did you see? One thing about the SJW's, they are clearly into self-mutilation in a variety of ways.

Blogger bob k. mando August 23, 2015 6:59 PM  

85. A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents August 23, 2015 6:53 PM
I think Castalia House needs to have a booth at the next worldcon.


i say we burn it all down in 2016 ... then Markku gets a booth in Helsinki.

let hilarity ensue.

Blogger Salt August 23, 2015 7:01 PM  

An interesting analytical look at the numbers

Since there seem to have been at least 500 Rabid Puppy voters who followed VD’s suggestion to vote Liu first, this means Liu won because of the Rabid Puppies.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents August 23, 2015 7:01 PM  

A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents - I know that you were not in my Sunday school today. But you could have been. Oh, yes, you could have been.

Unless it was held on consecrated ground. That causes me... difficulties.

We-uns are a "wherever two or more" kind of church. So you probably wouldn't have those kind of difficulties.

…road to hell…

Yeah, pretty much. If that road was ugly, everyone would be able to avoid it.

Anonymous Reader August 23, 2015 7:03 PM  

I agree with @39.
I totally lost respect for the Hugo. It should be nuked to oblivion.
The puppies need to increase their numbers and be unified with a single goal. The power of the puppies were halved because the sad and the rapid did not talk to each other.
Remember also, they use the preferential voting system, where the first distribution (first preference) may not decide the outcome but the succeeding distributions (2nd or 3rd preference) will. (Like in Aus in 2010, where the former Prime Minister Julia Guillard lost the primary votes but won, because of the 2nd or 3rd preference distribution).
My gut feeling while watching the event was that the whole proceeding was designed to mock the puppies. Was the Austrian girl with the thick accent, a recent migrant, just flown in for the occasion or an actress planted ? Also, the asterisks thing and discussions about it. Also the leading of the chanting of the Hare Krishna mantra because they know most puppies are Christians.
Disclosure: I was a HK devotee but to use religion for their purpose, I think is despicable. (btw, HK mantra are just names of God based on their attributes, eg. most merciful, a protector, etc. Krishna , is considered the most encompassing name because it means the “all-attractive God’, having all the attributes in one name. )
Haven't watched the Hugo awards before last night and Vox may be right that many of them are socially challenged individuals. But that's an irrelevant point. Why I lost respect for Hugo is their use of politics to judge the quality of a literary work.
An Australian academic, former lawyer and sometime SF writer commented on his blog that J C Wright can write good prose. It made me angry that these people sacrificed moral virtues for not giving any award to Wright for their politics. But then again, they are human wrecks.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents August 23, 2015 7:05 PM  

bob k. mando
i say we burn it all down in 2016 ... then Markku gets a booth in Helsinki.

Oh, man. What kind of discount airfare can I get 2 years in advance?

Anonymous Krachet August 23, 2015 7:14 PM  

There is no winning unless you can convert others. There's no sign of that. Plus, SF/F doesn't matter. Find a real strategy for the real world then I and most others might care.

Anonymous kfg August 23, 2015 7:17 PM  

@52:

In a strictly American context they made it clear a good 50 years ago that the only end game they will accept is to burn the house down. This is not a dispute over who left the sink full of dirty dishes.

For whatever reason, you are only just beginning to wake to who and what these people really are - pathological arsonists. If you talk them out of putting down the matches, all you have done is gotten them to wait until the middle of the night to do the deed, with your bed as the point of origin.

And the house is not the SF genre; it is all of western civilization. This is not hyperbole, it is what they say.

Blogger Jim August 23, 2015 7:17 PM  

There is no winning unless you can convert others. There's no sign of that.

A simple look at the participation rates between SP1 and SP3/RP demonstrates that you are a fucking retard.

Blogger automatthew August 23, 2015 7:26 PM  

Oh, man. What kind of discount airfare can I get 2 years in advance?

Imagine: Ilk on a Cruise Ship

Blogger automatthew August 23, 2015 7:28 PM  

There is no winning unless you can convert others. There's no sign of that. Plus, SF/F doesn't matter. Find a real strategy for the real world then I and most others might care.

And our mothers are ugly. We get it.

Anonymous Darth Toolpodicus #144 August 23, 2015 7:34 PM  

I would totally volunteer to man the booth. I'm not huge, but not small either by domestic standards. I love the uncomfortable pauses certain passerby might have as I smile at them.

Blogger Harsh August 23, 2015 7:34 PM  

There is no winning unless you can convert others. There's no sign of that. Plus, SF/F doesn't matter. Find a real strategy for the real world then I and most others might care.

Get out of here.

Anonymous Max August 23, 2015 7:36 PM  

Was not involved this year.

Will be next year.

Blogger tycho August 23, 2015 7:40 PM  

Delurking; been watching for awhile now and seriously from the 1st of the yr. I really hate what the sjw's have done to the Hugo's and sff in general the last 2 decade's. Heinlein wrote the 1st serious book I remember reading and he's still one of my favorite authors. Since I've learned I can vote next yr if I become a supporting member I'll get mine next payday. I'm also asking to become one of the Supreme Dark Lord's vile faceless minions. Its time to add more skulls to His Throne!

Blogger bob k. mando August 23, 2015 7:51 PM  

97. automatthew August 23, 2015 7:26 PM
Imagine: Ilk on a Cruise Ship



imagine: pirates are way cooler than ninjas.

cruise ship pirates! it's about time those damn dirty ap ... errrr ... vikings got a taste of their own medicine!

Anonymous Book_Girl August 23, 2015 7:54 PM  

Was not involved this year.

Will be next year.


Welcome to the razing party...

Blogger Cail Corishev August 23, 2015 8:03 PM  

However… if we burn it all down, what we’ll be doing is destroying forever the reputation and the history of the award Heinlein (among others) won.

This is exactly backwards.

I have Hugo-winning books on my shelf from back in the day. Some may even say so on the cover. There are two possible ways to preserve the honor that those books earned, and not let it be (further) watered down and perverted:

1. Get the Hugo back to honoring good works again -- works generally deserving of a place next to those on my shelf.

2. Stop the Hugo from being awarded at all. Once people forget about the dreck of recent years, it will be thought of as an award that was won by great classic SF. Create a new award if one is necessary.

This year, the SJWs and Sad Puppies proved that option #1 isn't available. So option #2 it is.

Anonymous Book_Girl August 23, 2015 8:06 PM  

I'm also asking to become one of the Supreme Dark Lord's vile faceless minions. Its time to add more skulls to His Throne!

Send an email request to the Supreme Dark Lord requesting acceptance as a VFM. Malwyn of the Whip handles new initiate requests, I believe. As well as discipline. Fortunately, I have yet to encounter her in any negative manner. I truly hope I never have to...

Blogger NewAgeGOP August 23, 2015 8:22 PM  

I totally agree that Vox strives to be an honest man. That is why I lurk this blog. He is on the wall. We need him on the wall. My only beef is the self parody he employs. He is not evil at all. He just doesn't serve a pussy christ or a pointless nothing. He is a crusader at heart and a follower of a Warrior Christ. The Christ with a flaming sword and a host of Angels coming to cleanse the planet of evil. Vox is the good guy. He should own it.

Blogger VFM bot #188 August 23, 2015 8:29 PM  

It's less than 24 hours since the Hugo voting took place. There seems to be an emerging consensus that the majority of voters at Sasquan showed themselves to be ugly, petty, vindictive, and politically hateful people. Exhibits #1 and #2 are the short form and long form editor awards, both of which were voted NO AWARD. It will be interesting to see how this emerging realization plays out over the next few days.

Blogger LP999/S.I.G. August 23, 2015 8:31 PM  

Even more excellent, Milo in+Breitbart news+others directly involved with the awards are rapidly filling the comment section.

Puppies understand and apply nature, art, situation and leadership.

Blogger LP999/S.I.G. August 23, 2015 8:32 PM  

107 Bro, dont lurk, participate!

Blogger NewAgeGOP August 23, 2015 8:34 PM  

Oh I will be voting next year. I'll man the wall with you

Blogger VFM bot #188 August 23, 2015 8:35 PM  

This from File 770 today: While I was in an elevator leaving the Hugo ceremonies, Frank somebody looked me in the eye and said “How’d you like that. That’s what you wanted, wasn’t it,” in a surly voice. Since he was being rude I told him to get off my case.

No, he wasn't being rude, Mike. He was being truthful. You and your happily ugly majority this year at Sasquan? You suck. That's what he was saying.

Blogger tycho August 23, 2015 8:42 PM  

106.
thanks! message sent

Blogger Cunning Dove August 23, 2015 8:54 PM  

I didn't vote this year. I knew I wouldn't have time to read the nominees. I believe in giving folks enough rope to hang themselves. I will feel no remorse for those who cry out their pleas for mercy as we laugh and declare 'we don't care'.

Anonymous VFM #0247 August 23, 2015 8:57 PM  

@85. A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents
"Will the next WorldCon be in an open-carry state? Just wondering."

Both Kansas City, Missouri (where Worldcon will be held) and the next-door Kansas City, Kansas are in open carry states. Enjoy. *evil grin*

Blogger Bernard Brandt August 23, 2015 9:02 PM  

A cautionary tale:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjFTubAdXP8

So, guys, don't get dead, 'cause Dead Puppies Aren't Much Fun.

And have more fun next year at the Hugo Awards. Congrats on what you were able to do this year!

Blogger David-093 August 23, 2015 9:07 PM  

Lurkers, you know those games where you get to destroy stuff for fun?

Well have we got a job for you!

Anonymous patrick kelly August 23, 2015 9:17 PM  

@43 Josh "The reality lies underneath, in their privileged sense of entitlement: This belongs to me, and you can’t have it because you’re not one of us."

This is ubber-projection if I've ever seen it.

Anonymous patrick kelly August 23, 2015 9:21 PM  

@94 "There is no winning unless you can convert others."

One time, limited offer, convert or be crushed. Winning either way.

Blogger JartStar August 23, 2015 9:40 PM  

Only the SJWs have convinced themselves this is a win for them.

Blogger bornagainpenguin August 23, 2015 9:59 PM  

@78, Cataline Sergius responding to anonimo

Wait, I thought it was to play kingmaker?

Pick the right king and you can easily do both.

Exactly! They don't realize that we're using a different playbook and have finally begun to fight back. They think we're still trying to be friends with people who have made it abundantly clear they hate us.

Well we get it--you hate us and are unwilling to compromise or find common ground. Fine. Then if we cannot live peaceably we will destroy the threat and get on with our lives instead of trying to negotiate with an implacable foe.

Meanwhile this quote seems relevant:

The power to destroy a thing is the absolute control over it. --Paul-Muad'Dib

Guess where we're headed? And I don't fear to say that because they've made it abundantly clear the only use they have for their ears is in holding their sunglasses in place and so even though they've been told several times over what they're going to do before they do it--they still insist on doing what we said they'd do as if it were some ironic guesture or defiance.

Anonymous Whitey McWhite August 23, 2015 10:20 PM  

Sarah Hoyt: "So while I am not upset at the results (except insofar as it proves a large number of my field is running the Marxist malware to such an extent that it will vote a slate to avoid an imaginary slate) I am upset at the display of infantility or senility or perhaps roboticity in my field yesterday (Though who would program robots that way?)"

Let's not get into who programs them. (Or why, for that would bear on thing-that-shall-not-be-mentioned. But it's obvious that social justice warriors are drones programmed by others. Meat drones, but still drones.

They carry out their programs, and that is all. Strategizing is implicit in the programming done by superior minds, or it does not happen.

The drones are not even up to perceiving what they themselves are doing while they are doing it and looking at it.

Blogger JCclimber August 23, 2015 10:21 PM  

Voted in SP 2, so helped nominate this year's slate. Didn't vote this year, and am not a VFM.
I do however consider myself of the Dreak Ilk, from the very first wonderful days of Bane and Jamie and Nate and Ran/Cedarford and the amazing west coast invasion of WW2 dead horse beating.

I'll be participating in the ongoing punishment of the SJWs. I may even consider visiting Helsinki in 2017.

Tor delanda est

Anonymous zen0 the Ephemeral August 23, 2015 10:22 PM  

@ 120 Jartstar

Only the SJWs have convinced themselves this is a win for them.

The Torlings know better. Their minions are deluded. I doubt the Torlings have the ability to educate the minions, as they have been trained to be rhetorically driven.

They are at a strategic disadvantage that they cannot repair .


Blogger L. Jagi Lamplighter August 23, 2015 10:25 PM  

Re: John as grandmaster.

I think they meant a good writer, not that he had been awarded the Nebula Grand Master title.

Blogger Quizzer W August 23, 2015 10:54 PM  

I've just gotten back from Sasquan and talked to many, many normal, non-internet people. Everyone who voted No Award did it because they read articles that said 1) Slates are the most evilist evil thing ever and 2) the only way to enact justice is No Award. Most did not bother to read the material. The sources generally were ON the internet but not on any of the pro/anti-puppy sites. This is why No Award won - because the CHORFs kept hammering any message at the press until something stuck. If there is going to be any action, you'd better have a plan to tackle this problem on day 1, it is why the puppies "lost" this year.

2) The Hugo award has deep meaning to a lot of people, otherwise there would not even be a fight. Let those who are mourning, mourn. Why are you piling on against your allies?

3) You are outnumbered by about 3 to 1 on the convention floor. I was there for the E Pluribus Hugo vote, it passed by a 3 to 1 margin, which matches the ~3500 No Award votes to ~1500 votes across nominees. I was pretty surprised it was that close, it felt like we were outnumbered by at least 5 to 1 or even 10 to 1. Naturally, associate memberships skew this, I'm just reporting about the boots on the ground.

4) Nobody there was an asshat. The Hugo ceremony itself was filled with them, but only as a large crowd, and of course the speechmakers. I posted my last update and talk a little about this, find it thru my gravatar if interested.

5) Financially speaking, WorldCon is absolutely thrilled with the new money this year. They went to great lengths assuring all the new members that "there is room for all of us in science fiction." Of course we know that is hogwash now. Whatever effort is made next year, you need to take into account that if it does not succeed, however you end up defining success, you *will* be giving them a boatload of cash. The cash passes forward to the next con, where the SJWs in charge (again, see my summary) can use it to buy more scholarships/publicity/whatever, basically on your dime. Yeah, they are *thrilled* this year with the new memberships.

6) Speaking of money, none of the dealers looked happy when we left around noon today. It might have been fatigue, I don't think so. There were few shoppers wandering the floor, and I chatted with a few vendors, who were not real interested once it was obvious I wasn't going to buy anything. In the days before they were all happy to talk shop and answer questions, even if it was clear I wasn't going to make a purchase.

Look, I'm just a scout. Whip me if you want. The wise general will realize that no report stands alone, I'm just trying to do what I can to help the cause. But some of the BS I've seen on this thread is why I am NOT a VFM.

Anonymous Smilin' Johnny Walker August 23, 2015 10:55 PM  

Some observations:

1) John might be a very good writer, but to use the words "grand master" (even with an implied lower case) smacks of deliberate misdirection. Careful word usage is important.

2) The Thomas Heuvelt story (The Day the World Turned Upside Down) was dreck, and should NEVER have been considered for an award by any sapient creature. I really liked the Rajnar Vajra story, and hope he writes more with those characters, and likewise really enjoyed the Mike Flynn story because of its memorable characters (who were almost in a Fafhrd & the Grey Mouser vein). Either of those should have won.

3) If some impulse was responsible for those choosing no-award over Toni Weisskopf, Sheila Gilbert (editor long form) and Mike Resnick (editor short form), then it was one of those impulses that should have been avoided. There's no way that anybody was thinking clearly when they no-awarded those particular editors, no matter what they might feel about puppies or slates.

Anonymous Jim Milo August 23, 2015 11:00 PM  

@8 Wait, they're going to (try) to DDOS Google, which hosts this blog? This is beyond Don Quixote and into acid trip logic.

bendermysides.webm

Anonymous Forrest Bishop VFM #0167 August 23, 2015 11:03 PM  

@106. Book_Girl August 23, 2015 8:06 PM

I'm also asking to become one of the Supreme Dark Lord's vile faceless minions. Its time to add more skulls to His Throne!

Send an email request to the Supreme Dark Lord requesting acceptance as a VFM.


You will find instructions for that here-
http://voxday.blogspot.com/2015/04/vile-minion-pride.html


...Along with a nice synopsis of why and what, from April 2015, may unfold in August. Notice how nicely it holds up. Example:

"What is your ultimate objective regarding the Hugos this year? Is it to win a few for your writers?"

"To see how the SF establishment responds. This was just recon. No, winning awards was never an objective... And if WorldCon prefers No Award to honoring Wright for works much superior to past winners, that will confirm what I suspected from the start. And what I expected.

"See, I've never been interested in much more than convincing a large number of people that the SJWs in SF are, in fact, the cultural enemy. You've collectively played your part wonderfully well in that regard." - VD

Anonymous Whitey McWhite August 23, 2015 11:05 PM  

@34. Jack Ward: "But, I think it should be done in 2017 AFTER the Puppy movement has nuked the 2016 awards."

Yes. Clear the ground before erecting trophies.

Anonymous Forrest Bishop VFM #0167 August 23, 2015 11:24 PM  

@122. Whitey McWhite
Sarah Hoyt: "... I am upset at the display of infantility or senility or perhaps roboticity in my field yesterday (Though who would program robots that way?)"

Let's not get into who programs them. (Or why, for that would bear on thing-that-shall-not-be-mentioned. But it's obvious that social justice warriors are drones programmed by others. Meat drones, but still drones.

They carry out their programs, and that is all. Strategizing is implicit in the programming done by superior minds, or it does not happen.

The drones are not even up to perceiving what they themselves are doing while they are doing it and looking at it.


This is their central weakness, and I hope to see it reverse engineered, to whatever degree, in SJWs Alway Lie. This is why we can predict their actions so reliably. It is why we can write down the SJW Laws, which are some of the high-level, pseudo-code snippets. It is also why we can defeat them in toto: Hack the code -> own the code.

Sad Puppies and moderates project their own good intentions onto SJWs. That's why their predictions fail. They simply weren't thinking about how robots think. And Whitey, here's a meditative exercise you may enjoy- the Programmers themselves are programmed as well, even the billionaires. They can't move out of their own code either.

Blogger SciVo August 23, 2015 11:27 PM  

Proposed theme song for 2016: Burn It Down by AWOLNATION

Cheerleaders! An astronaut! Ninjas! A mermaid! Nazis! Hot girls having a pillow fight at a dance party in a courthouse! And also, a good song.

Blogger IM2L844 August 23, 2015 11:38 PM  

Them and Us might more appropriate:

One finger on the button
one finger up his nose
Johnny's in some cornfield
The Early Warning Blows
Bigger is better
More is more
Look up, America!
Gonna even up the score
Get ready boys
Third times a charm
Don't need no sweater
It's gonna keep you warm
If we can't have the ball, there won't be any winner
this time

Anonymous Jim Milo August 23, 2015 11:39 PM  

@61

No, it'd be a squat, ugly thing, like a paleolithic fertility fetish or a Morlock or typical WorldCon polyamory enthusiast.

Sounds like you're describing Brutalist architecture, which has been the rage on campus for the past 50 or so years (although didn't see much at Queens or Harvard).

Blogger automatthew August 23, 2015 11:40 PM  

JartStar @120: Only the SJWs have convinced themselves this is a win for them.

They lack alternative conclusions that will preserve their sense of self.

Blogger automatthew August 23, 2015 11:42 PM  

@126: But some of the BS I've seen on this thread is why I am NOT a VFM.

Concern harder.

Otherwise, thank you for your report.

Blogger Tom Kratman August 23, 2015 11:43 PM  

Rycamor:

A. Tomorrow the second half of my minimal suggested reading list will be posted on everyjoe.
B. Remember the cheering at "No Award"? That was for 5. Next years motto should be "six or more." Betcha the cheers change to tears if we can do that or, rather, entice or force the enemy to do that.
C. Got an amusing couple of emails, today:

Name: Steven Salter
E-Mail: stevenjslater@gmail.com
Message: So how does it feel to be so hated that people will spend money to stop you getting an award?
Maybe instead of blaming others you should look at the quality of your work?

To which I answered:

Feels fine.
You're too stupid to realize what you just wrote, aren't you? I am no awarded because I am hated or I am no awarded because the work's not very good? Make up your mind.
Idiot.

to which SS responded:

"I am no awarded", did you mean "not awarded"? Idiot?
You know you can be hated for the quality of your work? That your work is so awful that they decided to stop you getting an award they felt you truly did not deserve?

To which I answered:

No, I meant no awarded. English is a fascinatingly flexible language. You should learn it sometime.
Okay, let's start with basic premises. You seem to think I cared about the Hugos. That's because a) you're ignorant and b) you're an idiot. I never did care. I never could have cared. I wanted the things no awarded and made no secret of that. Indeed, for months I went out of my way to be insulting and obnoxious to the idiots - you know, people like you - wherever I thought that would help get the things nuked. Because those people are idiots, just like you, they were easily led to do this. Am I solely responsible for the nukings? By no means. Did my efforts help? Surely.
Secondly, you have cause and effect mixed up. That's, again, because you are ignorant and an idiot. Firstly, I was already hated, even more than Vox Day, as he, perhaps reluctantly, admits, because I am even more of a ruthless anti-leftist than he is. That hate long preceded the awards. There was no way anything by me could ever get past that hate. We know this because intelligent people - you know, folks not much like you - recognize the story as excellent. If I had cared, I'd have published it under a different name. Again, though, I did not care about the award - though I did enjoy giving the SJWs every possible chance to undermine their already vanishingly thin integrity. I appreciate that they accommodated me in this.
Now, finally, who are you that I should give a flying Philadelphia fuck about your opinion on this or anything else?
Now, run along, little boy; I have no more time to spare for you.

Blogger automatthew August 23, 2015 11:48 PM  

Tom Kratman, "idiot" is the exact word, etymologically. They perceive, let alone comprehend, nothing outside themselves.

Blogger automatthew August 23, 2015 11:48 PM  

Envy is all.

Anonymous 0007 August 24, 2015 12:02 AM  

I suspect that I've been reading science fiction longer than most of those sjws have been alive(read Asimov original Foundation in the '48 "Astounding"). I didn't get involved with this hugo crap this time around because I had pretty much quit buying the crap that was being sold as "scifi" for many years now - except for Ringo, Kratman et al. I guess I'll have to plan a trip to KC next year...

Anonymous Jim Milo August 24, 2015 12:04 AM  

@126 As expected. It takes a while for the normies to see the emporer had no clothes. Sometimes, though, you get lucky. I was as surprised as anyone that it took Michael Phelps with a bong in his hand to destroy decades of 'pot makes you a loser' propaganda. The science and how, like climate change, it has been manipulated by rent-seekers was lost on many. Then the dirty little secret of marijuana and high-performance athletes leaked out...

Blogger Quizzer W August 24, 2015 12:21 AM  

136. automatthew "Concern harder."

You aren't the general I was reporting to, but thank you for your concern of my concern.

Blogger automatthew August 24, 2015 12:22 AM  

HELLO TAD!

Blogger Mint August 24, 2015 12:27 AM  

@126 Quizzer W
5) Financially speaking, WorldCon is absolutely thrilled with the new money this year. They went to great lengths assuring all the new members that "there is room for all of us in science fiction." Of course we know that is hogwash now. Whatever effort is made next year, you need to take into account that if it does not succeed, however you end up defining success, you *will* be giving them a boatload of cash. The cash passes forward to the next con, where the SJWs in charge (again, see my summary) can use it to buy more scholarships/publicity/whatever, basically on your dime. Yeah, they are *thrilled* this year with the new memberships.

This is my first time watching Hugo Award. After seeing how cheap everything looks, I was wondering on what and where the money spent. If they pass the money to the next con, I hope the next Organizer body do a better job.

Comparing this to the only other event like this that I know of; E3 (Electronic Entertainment Expo), makes my head hurt. I mean, this is SCIENCE FICTION award. Where is the futuristic, high tech vibe? All I got is hippie artsy vibe with all the turban, head gear and body size. I get that writers tend to go that road, but I thought Science Fiction writers will be different, my beloved games are based on SF these people wrote after all. Yet E3 projects a certain image. Hugo shows another image. Hugo shows me that reality is certainly stranger than fiction in my head.

Anonymous Zen0 August 24, 2015 12:27 AM  

Kratman is TAD

Blogger automatthew August 24, 2015 12:31 AM  

Quizzer W, absolutely nobody thought that I thought that you were reporting to me.

You provided an on-site report in the public comments of this blog, which implies that you wished others besides Vox to have that information. For that, I thank you. That's some good intel, and I am sincerely thankful for it.

But being a special yellow snowflake, you thought it right to qualify, to holier-than-thou yourself over the rest of the commentariat. And you deserve scorn for that.

Blogger Quizzer W August 24, 2015 12:34 AM  

146. Mint

I thought so to, I haven't seen anything online to compare to what I remember in person. The budget is set from previous conventions - so this years was based on last years (previous years? I'm not sure of the details) funding. Next year I expect will be bigger/better because they had their funding increase by at least 25%, probably a bit more.

Blogger automatthew August 24, 2015 12:39 AM  

"Zen0"

Why did you capitalize the first character? Is that a hint that you've become a Zombie?

Blogger Tom Kratman August 24, 2015 12:46 AM  

TAD? Remember, I am from the age of stone knives and bearskins.

Anonymous Evstratios August 24, 2015 12:48 AM  

@61

Well and truly said. I had come across a link from somewhere lost to time and arrived here. My exposure to honesty and logical deduction had dried to the point of atrophy by that point and i spent the next few days reading the entire site, as i did with fred reed and others during that period. I was shocked that i wasn't aware prior of these pockets of intellectual integrity and most pleasantly surprised. I am voracious in my habits and more information and more knowledge always leads to power which has surprised me most about the whole situation.

We have such low quality opponents that though fervently believing they are oh so smart have never actually read anything. How can you not explore completely your opposition if only to understand more fully the state of the world around you? It is pathetic and their lines of reasoning are so thin as to be completely obliterated with the merest breath of intellect. It's been a fuck of a lot of fun to watch over the year and the tides, they are a changing. Thanks for articulating.

Blogger rycamor August 24, 2015 12:52 AM  

@145. Mint

Comparing this to the only other event like this that I know of; E3 (Electronic Entertainment Expo), makes my head hurt. I mean, this is SCIENCE FICTION award. Where is the futuristic, high tech vibe? All I got is hippie artsy vibe with all the turban, head gear and body size. I get that writers tend to go that road, but I thought Science Fiction writers will be different, my beloved games are based on SF these people wrote after all. Yet E3 projects a certain image. Hugo shows another image. Hugo shows me that reality is certainly stranger than fiction in my head.


Yeah, just the Sasquan website itself made me think "CHEAP". Looks like it was developed in the 90s. And www.thehugoawards.org is just a standard basic Wordpress site. High tech it ain't. The hippie vibe is a sad leftover from the 70s, when sci-fi was hijacked. It's well past time to take it back.

Blogger bob k. mando August 24, 2015 12:54 AM  

145. Mint August 24, 2015 12:27 AM
stuffs



do you want people to point out your grammar errors or no?

i know that, like Markku, you're ESL ( English as a Second Language ). we've got him bootstrapped into a highly fluent speaker of American English.

you look to be at about the level he was when i first came here. very good for a non-native speaker but still clearly not fully comfortable with it.

if you want our help, there will be plenty of people willing to offer tips.

if no, that's not a problem either.

Anonymous Whitey McWhite August 24, 2015 12:54 AM  

131. Forrest Bishop VFM #0167: "This is their central weakness, and I hope to see it reverse engineered, to whatever degree, in SJWs Alway Lie."

We'll know soon.

131. Forrest Bishop VFM #0167: "Sad Puppies and moderates project their own good intentions onto SJWs. That's why their predictions fail. They simply weren't thinking about how robots think."

Yes.

131. Forrest Bishop VFM #0167: "And Whitey, here's a meditative exercise you may enjoy- the Programmers themselves are programmed as well, even the billionaires. They can't move out of their own code either."

I think they are creatures of a far higher order; their consciousness is more collective than individual. Even as individuals, which they are not, they'd be comfortably in the "weak super-human" bracket, like a chess program that can easily outperform the average human. Besides which, they have collectively superior aggressiveness, superior intensity, a lower time preference, and so on.

Anyway, this takes us beyond our present concern. There was certainly nothing superhuman about the social justice warrior applauding their own self-chosen diminishment at the Hugos.

Blogger Jim August 24, 2015 12:55 AM  

5) Financially speaking, WorldCon is absolutely thrilled with the new money this year. They went to great lengths assuring all the new members that "there is room for all of us in science fiction." Of course we know that is hogwash now. Whatever effort is made next year, you need to take into account that if it does not succeed, however you end up defining success, you *will* be giving them a boatload of cash. The cash passes forward to the next con, where the SJWs in charge (again, see my summary) can use it to buy more scholarships/publicity/whatever, basically on your dime. Yeah, they are *thrilled* this year with the new memberships.

My understanding is that WorldCon is a quite professional outfit. They probably are truly happy to have the Sads and Rabids there and I suspect mean it when they say there's plenty of room in fandom for everyone. It wasn't WorldCon personnel that were calling us Nazis and wrongfans. That was Tor. And while WorldCon administers the Hugos, they don't run it. That's up to the fans.

Personally, I have no problem giving them $40. They might be the battlefield, but they aren't the enemy.

The only hint of concern I have about WorldCon came from the confiscation of anti-SJW fliers at the freebie table.

Blogger rycamor August 24, 2015 12:55 AM  

@137. Tom Kratman

Rycamor:

A. Tomorrow the second half of my minimal suggested reading list will be posted on everyjoe.
B. Remember the cheering at "No Award"? That was for 5. Next years motto should be "six or more." Betcha the cheers change to tears if we can do that or, rather, entice or force the enemy to do that.


They really don't comprehend. I remember when they first started tangling with Vox, they simply *could not* believe he wasn't cowed by being called a "racist sexist homophobic dipshit." Scalzi and his commenters were saying something like "the only answer is that he's literally insane."

Blogger rycamor August 24, 2015 12:57 AM  

Oh and Tom Kratman, thanks for the heads-up about Everyjoe.

Blogger JWM August 24, 2015 12:59 AM  

I just read John C Wright's latest post. That's it. This puppy just went rabid.
Now an aspiring VFM.

JWM

Blogger rycamor August 24, 2015 1:07 AM  

And I'm going to white-knight for Quizzer W a bit. Not everyone is ready to be a VFM. But Quizzer is still on our side. Let's keep our moderates, let's keep our extremists. We need Mass.

Blogger Mint August 24, 2015 1:09 AM  

bob k. mando,
Sure. Thank you for willing to help. I know If you want to make your point, you have to make them clear with precise words with good grammars.

I just don't want to make this boring for everyone else. This blog is not the place to bother people with this kind of thing. This blog is not about me after all. I can mind my grammar if I want to, it just doesn't come autopilot for me. I have to concentrate and focus which sometimes I am not giving it all especially when I am reading this blog to divert me from some stuffs.

Blogger ray August 24, 2015 1:15 AM  

I read Larry Correia's prediction and it was proved out, close enough anyway to illustrate that he understands these people.

It's a group/collectivist mentality after all, a herd response and defense, of mostly privileged and incentivized UMC white mediocrities. Who think they are Heroes, fighting the Neverending Equality Battle of 1968, in which they're always in Revolution against the unwashed and un-illuminated. Like many members of Eastern cults, individual behavior is pretty easy to predict.

Blogger automatthew August 24, 2015 1:16 AM  

rycamor, I'm okay with moderates who know their place and don't play holier-than-thou games. The moment one of them transgresses, though, they're scoobius to me.

Blogger Quizzer W August 24, 2015 1:28 AM  

154. Jim

I thought so to, then I attended one of the business meetings. The same people in charge were also prominent in the Hugo ceremony. They are SJWs. I suspected a divide between SMOF and CHORF, all the signals I read about were that the SMOFs were as divided as everyone else over Puppydom. We went to great pains on our site to make that distinction, but I now no longer believe that to be the case.

Anonymous Praetorian August 24, 2015 1:47 AM  

OT: looks like The Habbening is, maybe Habbeninging tomorrow. S&P futures shitting the bed, China creamed. Carnage.

Suggested listening for the day:

https://vimeo.com/44568228

Blogger ray August 24, 2015 1:57 AM  

"OT: looks like The Habbening is, maybe Habbeninging tomorrow. S&P futures shitting the bed, China creamed. Carnage."

Not OT. WorldScam ah WorldCom and the stock dives are definitely connected, although indirectly. What's unusual is the justice occurred so FAST.

Blogger Doc Rampage August 24, 2015 2:12 AM  

@63: Thanks for the important safety tip, but I'd like to mention that you don't have to worry about prions if you avoid the infected tissues--primarily the brain and spinal chord. At first you might think this is a bummer, because brains, but keep in mind that you only want to devour the brains of enemies that you honor--enemies whose qualities you wish to emulate. For dishonored enemies such as SJWs, you don't really want the brains anyway. They might make you stupid in addition to giving you mad SJW disease.

Also, keep the hazardous nature of these tissues in mind while slaughtering your enemies. Sure a head shot with a high powered rifle is a lot of fun, but it spatters brain tissue everywhere and could easily contaminate the rest of the meat. Similar cautions apply to shattering your enemy's spine with an axe. Fun, but can spoil the meat.

By following a few simple safety precautions in killing and preparing your enemies, you should be able to enjoy devouring them for years to come in perfect comfort and safety.

Bon apetit.

Blogger rho August 24, 2015 2:16 AM  

I have to admit ... you surprised me with this. It's not like you were hiding what you were doing. I figured they'd ignore your efforts and pretend you didn't exist, vote on the books and be done with it. I thought you were underestimating them. But no, it turns out you were right. They behaved exactly as you said they would. And they don't even realize it. It's ... insane.

If you're not a gamer, and you play with gamers, you'll find that your double-secret double-trick plays don't work because the gamers understand the game at a deeper level than you do. It's like having a min-maxer join your group of dedicated role-players--chaos, discord and Cheetos thrown in anger follow.

VD accomplished quite a lot with a part-time blog. Within a few dozen months he's become a principal voice and one of the standard bearers for science fiction and fantasy. I applaud his efforts there, and I heartily approve of the effects. I progressed from a callow '80s youth, assuming that Hugos were anointed by a cadre of learned lights, to an adult understanding that a couple hundred random bank accounts with $40 (adjusted for inflation) could grant the most prestigious award in its genre.

My only question is, who couldn't see this outcome?

Blogger Groot August 24, 2015 3:05 AM  

@159. Mint:

Your meaning is always clear to me. Don't worry that English is your second language. Your perspective is different but interesting, and I appreciate the courage it takes to speak up. Welcome aboard.

Blogger John Wright August 24, 2015 3:07 AM  

"This isn't over until John C Wright takes home a box full of those strange little trophies. "

Okrahead, you kind applaud is all the trophy a man like me needs. The praise of one honest man is worth more than the vacuous applause of a world of empty-headed fools.

You surely do not thing I wanted to shake Mr. Gerrold's moist and girlish hand, and share a stage with him, do you?

Blogger John Wright August 24, 2015 3:11 AM  

"Clark is overrated. He replaced van vogt in the 80s as one of the big 3 thanks to proto-sjws"

AMEN! PREACH IT, BROTHER!

Mr. Clarke is an able craftsman of speculative engineering tales, one or two lapses into brilliance, and is otherwise merely one more anglosocialist agnostic twerp.

Van Vogt is a demigod.

Blogger rho August 24, 2015 3:15 AM  

You surely do not thing I wanted to shake Mr. Gerrold's moist and girlish hand, and share a stage with him, do you?

If so, reject and renounce every nomination.

Blogger John Wright August 24, 2015 3:23 AM  

@ 64

"If I were John C. Wright, I would consider it an honor that those freaks didn't want to give him one of their toy rocketships."

You, sir, are a good judge of character:
http://www.scifiwright.com/2015/08/in-memoriam/

Blogger The Overgrown Hobbit August 24, 2015 3:25 AM  

Personally, I have no problem giving them $40. They might be the battlefield, but they aren't the enemy.

You didn't see the faces of the con-runners leading JCW through the pre-ceremony prep who knew what was coming. Shit-eating grin (my apologies for the profanity) is classic anglo-saxon understatement.

You didn't McGuyver solutions so JCW could give a reading when they booked his room out from under him.

And for you grade A ignoramuses kicking Quizzer for being a "moderate," where were you at Worldcon fighting the good fight? At least he's willing to put boots on the ground at CHORF central.

I'm the "moderate" supporter of the campaign to end puppy-related sadness. Not my gamer-gate husband.

Blogger The Overgrown Hobbit August 24, 2015 3:28 AM  

#171. Hah. You beat me to the comment. Glad you made it back safely.

Blogger SciVo August 24, 2015 3:50 AM  

Krachet @94: "There is no winning unless you can convert others. There's no sign of that."

Yes to the first, no to the second. I became practically an undeclared VFM between missing the noms and voting in the finals, and others came out after the results.

"Plus, SF/F doesn't matter. Find a real strategy for the real world then I and most others might care."

You just contradicted yourself. What do you do over and over before the real game?

Blogger Mint August 24, 2015 3:53 AM  

@167
Eh..thank you I guess for the late welcome after what...uhm a decade I think reading VP.
I read in silence when Bane was around making mince meat out of fools, and when JQP, Beelzebub and Nate's Harem girls such us Renee were still here.

My English is only a minor reason I don't comment often. There are a lot of intelligent people around here and many times I can't contribute anything significant that have not been said more eloquently by the Ilk.

I like to regard VP as a men's club. I am glad I can have a peek but girls better know their place, this is not their playground and I like it that way.

Blogger IM2L844 August 24, 2015 3:59 AM  

John might be a very good writer, but to use the words "grand master" (even with an implied lower case) smacks of deliberate misdirection. Careful word usage is important.

To imply that JCW is anything less than a masterful writer just pisses me off, but that you think so only proves the old adage: "...you can't please all of the people all of the time." I don't much care for Picasso's work, but that doesn't mean he wasn't a masterful artist. It would be patently foolish of Tor to squander any opportunity to square things up with John.

Blogger SciVo August 24, 2015 3:59 AM  

VFM bot #188 @108: "There seems to be an emerging consensus that the majority of voters at Sasquan showed themselves to be ugly, petty, vindictive, and politically hateful people. Exhibits #1 and #2 are the short form and long form editor awards, both of which were voted NO AWARD."

No. I'm fairly confident that their biggest mistake was putting Skin Game below No Award, just because Puppies liked it. Jim Butcher is one of the most popular contemporary fantasy authors, and they just poked the sleeping giant of Dresden Files fandom in the eye, for no good reason.

Blogger John Wright August 24, 2015 4:11 AM  

"If so, reject and renounce every nomination."

Are you a fool? I would not insult my fans and patrons who honored me with their votes merely because Mr Gerrold has a moist and girlish hand.

I ask a second time: are you a fool? Do you think the Hugo Award belongs to Mr. Gerrold, or that he has the right to drive people away from it?

I ask a third time: are you a fool?

Because if not, you ought not make such foolish comments.

Blogger Kryten 2X4B 523P August 24, 2015 4:28 AM  

Well, the Hugo's went exactly how I expected it to, and the Puppy Kickers showed themselves to be the barbarians gleefully running round the village torching everything in sight.

I think The Beautiful But Evil Space Princess has turned as well. From the comments in Milo's article:

Sarah A. Hoyt Josh Young • 14 hours ago
I say no. If you form a new award, they'll follow you there and destroy it. I say it's time we gave no inch and no quarter. We're going to take the Hugo back, if it takes years. Next year my friends, Kate Paulk and Amanda Green and I are taking point in Sad Puppies. Yes, we know we're not real women and I'm not a real Latina, despite coming from Portugal and from an all-Portuguese family (the name is my married name.) BUT we don't care. And we're ready to fight like girls: Viciously, underhandedly and with no brakes. May G-d have mercy on those bastards, because we WON'T.
Win? No, we don't expect that. BUT we hope to keep making them do stupid sh*t till eventually THEY run away (declaring victory, of course.)
It's time we stopped giving up beachheads in the culture war.
Oh, and Milo, great job.


Bring on 2016.

Anonymous Steve August 24, 2015 4:57 AM  

Kryters - I like Sarah a lot, but her blog really should be called "Some Like It Hoyt".

And we're ready to fight like girls: Viciously, underhandedly and with no brakes. May G-d have mercy on those bastards, because we WON'T.

Women are nature's cruelty artists. Men have to work at it, because our baser instincts tend to brutality, not cruelty. But women are as naturally vicious as a cat toying with a wounded bird.

The Puppykickers should be thankful they're already geldings.

Blogger Kryten 2X4B 523P August 24, 2015 5:26 AM  

@108

LOL, hope you suggested that to her!

Yep, I'm looking forward to the ensuing mayhem - already stocking up on popcorn.

Anonymous zen0 the Ephemeral August 24, 2015 7:47 AM  

@148 automatthew

> Why did you capitalize the first character? Is that a hint that you've become a Zombie?

Obviously an imposter.

Blogger Cail Corishev August 24, 2015 8:03 AM  

4) Nobody there was an asshat.

You blew it with this line.

Anonymous Athor Pel August 24, 2015 10:20 AM  

"105. Cail Corishev August 23, 2015 8:03 PM
...
1. Get the Hugo back to honoring good works again -- works generally deserving of a place next to those on my shelf.

2. Stop the Hugo from being awarded at all. Once people forget about the dreck of recent years, it will be thought of as an award that was won by great classic SF. Create a new award if one is necessary.
..."



A question and it's answers finally occured to me, why did the SJWs take over the Hugo's rather than making their own award honoring the things they revere?

I can only think of two reasons. One is the inability to actually build something themselves, to this I say maybe. Two, and this is the most damning, no matter how much they hate what the earliest Hugo winners represented culturally, the SJWs need that past glory. It's a tool used in their quest to legitimize their political and cultural beliefs.

It's like they don't have any legitimacy of their own and cannot or do not know how to get it on their own. Or to put it another way, they are children of the lie that must hide behind truth while destroying the truth they use as a mask.

Blogger rho August 24, 2015 11:35 AM  

Do you think the Hugo Award belongs to Mr. Gerrold, or that he has the right to drive people away from it?

I think the Hugos belong to the SJWs. If it's not Gerrold on stage next year, or the year after that, it'll be somebody similar, unless the Puppies succeed in nuking from orbit.

I may very well be a fool. Ask me again in a year.

Blogger FALPhil August 24, 2015 11:51 AM  

Hitler reacts to the 2015 Hugo Awards:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZOWipBL0gM&feature=youtu.be

Blogger BigFire August 24, 2015 12:11 PM  

So the first line choice for RP's next year ballot will be No Award across the board? Lets see how many category can be knock out permanently.

Anonymous Shut up rabbit August 24, 2015 12:23 PM  

Why are they all so fat?

Any Ilk/RP/VFM should vow to get in shape to distance themselves as much as possible from these ugly eaters.

Anonymous Mr. Rational August 24, 2015 2:32 PM  

@85 Will the next WorldCon be in an open-carry state?

http://www.opencarry.org/?page_id=263

Summary:  not so much, and Worldcon is probably within its legal rights to prohibit open carry in the con (sad, witnessing and recording alll the responses to the "triggering" would be priceless).  But Missouri honors my CCW permit.

Blogger SirHamster (#201) August 24, 2015 2:48 PM  

... and one which was stupid as it cost us a 6th category in novelette.

When I realized the list did not No Award the story that displaced John Wright's, I chalked it up to magnanimity and commitment to not using No Award this year. It certainly turned out noble/honorable, even if it would have been nice to get the record breaker.

Failure is information, and we use Fail Faster to learn faster, where our opponents are insisting their failures are wins and so learn nothing at all.

Next year will be fun.

Anonymous Anonymous Something August 24, 2015 4:19 PM  

@162

I thought so to, then I attended one of the business meetings. The same people in charge were also prominent in the Hugo ceremony. They are SJWs.

Who are you thinking of in particular? I went to all five business meetings, and as far as I could tell, the chairman was completely professional--he certainly has an opinion, but it never looked to me like he was allowing it to influence his administration of the meeting.

Blogger Cail Corishev August 24, 2015 4:56 PM  

Any Ilk/RP/VFM should vow to get in shape to distance themselves as much as possible from these ugly eaters.

Done. I was working on it already, but they've at least tripled my resolve. Just thinking about them makes me want to do some sit-ups. As a farm boy who put on weight later in life, I still have a pretty solid core, not pudding all the way to the bone. Still, I don't want to look like them in any way.

Anonymous Anonymous Something August 24, 2015 5:09 PM  

@154

Worldcon is actually kind of interesting, structurally--properly speaking, there is no organization named "Worldcon" that can receive money or do things.

The permanent body is the World Science Fiction Society, which owns the names "Worldcon" and "Hugo Award" (among others). That's the body that holds the business meetings and decides things like Hugo nomination rules. The leadership of WSFS changes very slowly, and seems somewhat resistant to fads like SJWism.

Each individual convention, OTOH, is run by some other organization--typically a non-profit established just to run this con, but closely tied to a long-standing non-profit that runs the annual cons for the region. In this case, it looks like Sasquan was run directly by SWOC, the Seattle Westercon Organizing Committee, and yes, their leadership is absolutely packed with CHORFs.

The money for the memberships (supporting or attending) goes to whatever groups is running that particular Worldcon, and is mostly spent on doing just that. This year, for instance, the tens of thousands of dollars the various puppies sent in enabled, among other things, a huge improvement in the free food in the con suite (roast beef, shrimp cocktail, etc.), a 24-hour shuttle bus service to the various hotels, and free tote bags for carrying around all the stuff everyone always picks up at a con.

Any money left over after all debts have been settled is traditionally passed forward; splitting it between the next two cons is fairly common. (The 2001 Worldcon, which only just this year finally closed their books (don't ask), donated $23k each to Kansas City and Helsinki.)

BTW, I've seen several comments asking where all the money goes. Budget reports from past, current, and upcoming cons are part of the business meeting agenda, and the most recent one is here: http://sasquan.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/2015-Financial-Reports3.pdf. It apparently currently takes about a million dollars to run one of these things.

Hopefully some of this information can be useful to somebody....

Blogger Quizzer W August 24, 2015 5:48 PM  

How they run their meetings is no concern of mine, they can do it how they like. Three of the people running the meeting on Sunday morning were intimately involved in the Hugo ceremony itself, one appeared on the stage (the second may have been too but I can't remember) to be honored in some way (I think they "officially" knew the results?). Two were prominently backstage during the pre-ceremony walkthru. My conclusion: however they are organized legally, the same people were involved logistically.

And yes, the gentleman running the meeting was very professional.

Thank you for the financial information you provided as well. I may pick thru that so I can have more than guesses to go on as to how the money is raised/spent.

There was shrimp in the green room? You mean instead of asking the sweet grandmotherly woman at my table, after she told me she was to be on a diversity panel later that day, "So are you pro or con on diversity?" I could have been eating shrimp? Wow, missed opportunity. Bummer.

Blogger Cail Corishev August 24, 2015 6:57 PM  

Quizzer, I responded with derision when you said there were no asshats there, because I thought you were talking about in general -- which is clearly impossible -- and now I see that you meant in the members' meeting. My apologies.

Blogger Quizzer W August 24, 2015 7:20 PM  

Thank you Cail, apology happily accepted.

To clarify my statement further, I'm sure there were asshats there, but I did not personally converse with them. Nor did anyone I converse with behave as an asshat. I was carrying a spork and a potato with googly eyeballs, however, which was crazy even by convention standards, so they may have been being extra nice to me.

At one point I did turn around and was standing two feet from GRRM. But I did not converse with him :-D

Anonymous balrog666 August 24, 2015 9:07 PM  

"AMEN! PREACH IT, BROTHER!

Mr. Clarke is an able craftsman of speculative engineering tales, one or two lapses into brilliance, and is otherwise merely one more anglosocialist agnostic twerp.

Van Vogt is a demigod. "

You nailed it, sir!

Also, did someone really hammer this home? :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZOWipBL0gM

Blogger Groot August 24, 2015 9:27 PM  

@175. Mint
"a decade I think reading VP"

That's only ten years more than me. Amend that to "feel welcome," then, rather than "welcome aboard."

Blogger Floyd Looney August 25, 2015 1:13 AM  

Here comes the enemy, let me sink my fleet in harbor and declare a victory.

Anonymous Anonymous Something August 25, 2015 5:11 AM  

There was definitely shrimp in the con suite (Doubletree 15) at some point--Sunday night, if I've got my days right.

I still can't remember who from the business meeting leadership would've been visibly involved in the Hugo presentation, but I spent most of it (badly) multitasking between the webinar on my headphones and Dave and Tananarive's antics.

My "oh shit, enemy!" moment was running into PNH in a hallway. Still not sure why he had a guitar with him. At least TNH wasn't with him, I had enough this past week of getting stuck in traffic behind mobility scooters to last a lifetime.

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