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Wednesday, August 05, 2015

Thoughts from GDC

1. If you're going to say "I think exactly the same as he said" after someone on the panel has uttered cliches, I will get up and leave.

2. Some of the data analysis is amazing. So was the eye-tracking controller from Tobii.

 3. It's always a good idea to talk to the young guys working as volunteers. They are the equivalent of those who spent their last pennies on a roach motel in Santa Clara and walked to the Westin.

4. China is going to take over game art thanks to Western millennials.  Hope I'm wrong but it looks that way.

 5. I met the unicorn; the mythical female game designer. She thought anti-GG's position was insulting to her and her predecessors. She even agreed to be the guest lecturer in one of my game dev lessons this fall.

 6. If you can program Unity you can get a job. On the spot.

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Blogger rho August 05, 2015 3:10 AM  

7. The VFM willl be confounded.

Anonymous Grime Knight August 05, 2015 4:07 AM  

Game dev lessons?! When and where oh dark lord?

Blogger Peter P. August 05, 2015 4:42 AM  

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Blogger Peter P. August 05, 2015 4:43 AM  

Time to drop the Java and get my hands on unity. Anything else to focus on?
I am about to get my degree from computer engineering, so i will have plenty of time.

Anonymous Ulmer Miller August 05, 2015 4:56 AM  

Everytime I think I'm getting better I see art by some Chinese concept artist I've never heard of and realize how small my improvements really are. You've put into words something I've feared was coming to pass...

Anonymous George of the Jungle August 05, 2015 5:51 AM  

It's something akin to Moore's Law... every 18 months, whatever language you're using now must be discarded in favor of the latest & greatest, often with a name that starts with the next letter of the alphabet. Of course, who can say how much of it is an actual improvement, and how much is just the latest geek fad to keep everyone else off balance.

Anonymous BB August 05, 2015 6:00 AM  

So Paris gets a meet up, but no love for Cologne? L'hai fatto piangere questo tedeschen

Anonymous Whitey McWhite August 05, 2015 6:17 AM  

"4. China is going to take over game art thanks to Western millennials. Hope I'm wrong but it looks that way."

Good.

Blogger Aeoli Pera August 05, 2015 6:19 AM  

4. China is going to take over game art thanks to Western millennials. Hope I'm wrong but it looks that way.

Is Japan out of the running?

Blogger Eric August 05, 2015 6:46 AM  

It's something akin to Moore's Law... every 18 months, whatever language you're using now must be discarded in favor of the latest & greatest, often with a name that starts with the next letter of the alphabet.

You'd think that reading industry press, but the #1 and #2 slots are still C and Java. You can make big bucks as an expert in Scala, say, or R, but not many shops demand that kind of expertise.

From what I can tell Unity programming is mostly done in C# and a flavor of Javascript called Unityscript.

Blogger Cataline Sergius August 05, 2015 6:57 AM  

4. China is going to take over game art thanks to Western millennials. Hope I'm wrong but it looks that way.

Not surprising. There has never been a generation more artistically mind neutered, than the Millennials.

Everything I've seen from them is lifeless cliche. They are indeed and truly afraid to dream for themselves.

Blogger Aeoli Pera August 05, 2015 7:47 AM  

Not surprising. There has never been a generation more artistically mind neutered, than the Millennials.

I blame fluoridation of the pineal gland, which I learned about precisely yesterday.

Blogger HalibetLector August 05, 2015 7:49 AM  

From what I can tell Unity programming is mostly done in C# and a flavor of Javascript called Unityscript.

Nobody serious uses UnityScript or Boo. They're not well supported by Unity3D (the company) either. Besides, when you have access to every library the C# ecosystem has at its disposal, why would you re-write it from scratch in a crippled javascript or a crippled python?

I'm always tempted to get back into the game dev game, but my quality of life when I was in the game industry was terrible.

Anonymous Athor Pel August 05, 2015 8:25 AM  

Learn Unity here.

Unity wiki page here.

Blogger Tank August 05, 2015 8:34 AM  

Unicorn for Brainstorm?

Blogger Nate August 05, 2015 8:56 AM  

Gamer Nerd Conference. Called it. Pay up.

Anonymous Michael Maier August 05, 2015 8:59 AM  

4. China is going to take over game art thanks to Western millennials. Hope I'm wrong but it looks that way.

I am so sick of the Asian slant of art in comics and pop culture. "White people" look Asian and the "Asians" look like everyone else.

Blogger Huggums August 05, 2015 9:22 AM  

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Blogger Huggums August 05, 2015 9:26 AM  

@11. 4. China is going to take over game art thanks to Western millennials. Hope I'm wrong but it looks that way.

Not surprising. There has never been a generation more artistically mind neutered, than the Millennials.

Everything I've seen from them is lifeless cliche. They are indeed and truly afraid to dream for themselves.


It is infuriating when I come to this site and see be like this. Not because you're talking sh*t about millennials, but because this site and others like it are supposed to be about planting the seeds for the restoration of civilization at least in part. When it comes to my generation though, all anyone can seem to do is talk sh*t. We didn't raise ourselves, man.

Here's a question that's very relevant to me. You think public education is a mess. I can see the problems with the current education system, but I don't exactly know everything we're doing wrong now and how it's worse than what we were doing before. What were we doing before that was so great anyways? What changed and why?

I play music and sometimes compose as a hobby. I hardly listen to the radio now because the music is so dull and samey. I see problems with the art of music making and prefer to listen to older music which is more enduring and interesting. What do you think is different about how my generation was raised that has produced this result? How do we think differently? More importantly, what's wrong with it and what is a better way of thinking?

I don't care if you talk sh*t, but if you're serious about planting seeds for the future, you might want to relay some information that's actually useful. ESPECIALLY since anyone here looking for some of that info has probably sought this place out after realizing that the rest of the world is basically The Matrix.

tl;dr I know a lot of what millennials were taught is bullsh*t. I wanna know how to fix it. What do we do?

Anonymous Trimegistus August 05, 2015 9:32 AM  

Huggums: A fair question. At times I get rather tired of the negativity, too, as it's too easy to simply say "we're doomed!"

Suggestions: the educational system my generation is running has failed you. Therefore you need to educate yourself. Read the greats: Gibbon, Shakespeare, Milton, Dickens, Melville, Conrad, Twain. Don't read them like it's an English class assignment, and try to put all the English-teacher crap out of your head. Just read them. Decide what you like and read more of that author. Think about why you like one author more than the others.

The same for art: go look at great art. Go to museums. Don't read the signs, don't get the handy "what to think guide" they give you. Just look at the works of art. Decide which ones you like and think about why.

Same for music, and drama. See the good stuff and try to figure out what makes it good.

Then, see if you can do good stuff yourself. This means doing crap and then trying to figure out why it's crap.

None of this is easy. Nobody will be cheering and clapping. But the feeling when you have done something you know is good is the highest pleasure in life.

Blogger Huggums August 05, 2015 9:37 AM  

Ok. I actually do that with music. I'd completely given up on trying to analyze literature, but luckily I didn't completely stop reading.

Blogger Aeoli Pera August 05, 2015 9:39 AM  

When it comes to my generation though, all anyone can seem to do is talk sh*t. We didn't raise ourselves, man.

The red pill means realizing

1. MPAI
2. Nobody actually gives a shit about you except your mom.
2a. All your mom actually cares about is grandchildren.
3. Most people don't give a shit about anything at all except FOOD NAO BABY NAO.

tl;dr I know a lot of what millennials were taught is bullsh*t. I wanna know how to fix it. What do we do?

I get it bro, u mad. So am I. But Vox is just one guy on the internet, and he can't answer all of our questions.

Anonymous #0046 August 05, 2015 9:41 AM  

@Huggums

Vizzini says go back to the beginning.

John Wright claims he affects originality by aping books that are no longer read. So why not try aping a baroque artist (or better: a panalopy thereof) and reap the accolades?

The principle translates. Educate yourself. Plato is cheap on Amazon. The Internet is a crack in The Matrix.

Blogger Aeoli Pera August 05, 2015 9:44 AM  

My answer to the question "how to fix", you probably won't enjoy, but it seems that there were two necessary conditions to Western Civ:

1. Christianity
2. Neanderthal admixture

It seems to me that you might be able to have a civilization with just one of those, but it just wouldn't be Western civilization.

Anonymous Jack Amok August 05, 2015 9:48 AM  

If you can program Unity you can get a job.

True. You will hate your job, but you can get one.

I don't care if you talk sh*t, but if you're serious about planting seeds for the future, you might want to relay some information that's actually useful.

Sure, here's some useful information. Nobody likes a whiner, so stop with the poor, pitiful me routine. It is true that your generation was raised as spoiled children, but you do see the problem with the spoiled child complaining it's all his parent's fault, right?

This site has many suggestions for how you can make things better. Wanting stuff spoon-fed to them is one of the complaints that might be made of your generation. I'd highly recommend starting by picking an area you'd like to make a difference in, look through, say, the GG or Puppies posts and generate a proposed plan of action. Start by being more proactive.

Blogger maniacprovost August 05, 2015 9:49 AM  

Bear in mind, all the Millennial pop stars are written and produced by giant Gen X run corporate studios.

Blogger rycamor August 05, 2015 9:51 AM  

2. Some of the data analysis is amazing.

Curious, could you give us a for-instance or two?

Anonymous Mike M. August 05, 2015 9:51 AM  

@19 Huggums:

You make a valid complaint. Trimegistus @20 has some good advice, but I'll add some more.

Study history. Will and Ariel Durant's "History of Western Civilization" is a 14-volume read, but it's one-stop-shopping. Read those, and you'll have a good working knowledge of Western history from its origins to the fall of Napoleon. Events, religion, culture, it's all there. And if you like the works of Robert Heinlein, it's the mother lode of much of his philosophy.

Then follow up with specific studies in areas that interest you. That will vary with taste. You'll be shocked at how many e-books you can buy for $1 each. Not trash, classics.

With regard to creativity, cultivate a tendency to go against the grain. Not to pick fights, but simply avoid the catchphrases of the day. The trend du jour is NOT your friend. Most people are lemmings. They follow the trend. Don't be a lemming, and you'll stand out.

The internet in general, and Wikipedia in particular, come in for a lot of flak as unreliable sources of information. On the other hand, there's a lot of information out there that hasn't been tampered with.

And always look for patterns. This is why we study history...patterns emerge that will let you see problems and avoid them.

It's fun, once you get used to it.

Blogger CM August 05, 2015 9:53 AM  

It's something akin to Moore's Law... every 18 months, whatever language you're using now must be discarded in favor of the latest & greatest, often with a name that starts with the next letter of the alphabet. Of course, who can say how much of it is an actual improvement, and how much is just the latest geek fad to keep everyone else off balance.

This only seems to be true in web design (which is so full of gimick build-em sites, who needs a designer) and game industry. DoD was converting an ancient ADA program to C in 2006. Pretty confident Visual C is still a prominently used language out there.

That said, getting back in the game in 5 years after 10 years out, I'll definitely have my work cut out in catching up on industry changes.

Anonymous Spirit Of 76 August 05, 2015 9:54 AM  

Learn to read everything;
Learn to fight;
Acquire the means to do both credibly.
It's hard to be helpless and emasculated when you always have the means of defense readily available, both mentally and physically.

Blogger JartStar August 05, 2015 9:54 AM  

Huggums,

Millennials want to plant the seeds? Here you go:

1. Fight for the truth in whatever you do. Accept no bullshit, fraud, or lies to create the reality around you. This will put you at odds with most of your generation that feelz matter more than anything.

2. Have an extremely high work ethic. Always arrive on time at work, rarely take off, don't complain unless it's legitimate and obvious, offer to do the small things for your boss he or she can't get to, stop trying to get promoted as soon as you arrive, and above all stop trying to get out of work. I have never seen a person with a worse worth ethic than the average millennial. Our department out of necessity has stopped hiring them. They don't last, and are constantly missing work for the flimsiest of reasons.

3. Get married, have children and prepare them for a difficult world. If you are a Christian teach them with passion the Christian faith and you'll likely have to homeschool them or send them to private schools.

I do have a little sympathy here. The public schools took away the Millennials ability to think critically about most issues and they lead with their feelings, the megachurches gave them pizza and Jesus and no in-depth theology, and just when your generation was starting out, and the world seemed to be at your fingertips the 2008 crash happened.

But the Millennials can't change any of that now, nor use it as an excuse since many generations have had it worse. The Greats had to go through the depression, THEN fight a world war. I don't remember my grandfather complaining about this, ever. They just made do. Gen-X had to deal with a bad economy in the early 90s as we graduated college, then the tech bubble, and in the middle of raising kids and buying houses the same 2008 crash. Hell, even the Boomers had to watch their friends get slaughtered in the fields of Vietnam for no good reason, and the stagflation in the 70s.

I know guys approaching 30 and I want to slug them because they are smart guys with some talents but they have no motivation, no focus, no careers because they don't want to give up drifting around or work difficult jobs.

In summary: Live for truth, work very hard, start a family and pass on your hard won knowledge.

Blogger Josh August 05, 2015 9:58 AM  

tl;dr I know a lot of what millennials were taught is bullsh*t. I wanna know how to fix it. What do we do?

Art of manliness 30 days to a better man.

After that, go read the great books from project Gutenberg.

Blogger Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus August 05, 2015 9:58 AM  

5. I met the unicorn; the mythical female game designer. She thought anti-GG's position was insulting to her and her predecessors. She even agreed to be the guest lecturer in one of my game dev lessons this fall.

She sounds like she's either a self-hating victim of the patriarchy, or else not a lesbian. One of the two.

Blogger Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus August 05, 2015 9:59 AM  

I know guys approaching 30 and I want to slug them because they are smart guys with some talents but they have no motivation, no focus, no careers because they don't want to give up drifting around or work difficult jobs.

I know, dude. At this rate, I'm going to have to keep working until I'm 80 just to take up their slack.

Blogger Nate August 05, 2015 10:00 AM  

"tl;dr I know a lot of what millennials were taught is bullsh*t. I wanna know how to fix it. What do we do?"


" What were we doing before that was so great anyways? What changed and why?"

It wasn't great back then. it sucked back then too. Basically all the bad things that you see in education existed back in the 80s and 90s... its just now they've gone further.

"What do you think is different about how my generation was raised that has produced this result? How do we think differently? More importantly, what's wrong with it and what is a better way of thinking?"

You're not going to like this answer. Great art all comes from pain and suffering... and well... your generation is the most spoiled coddeled weak and pathetic generation ever. You've been insulated from pain and work every second of your life. You've lived in a bubble. Consequently you have no idea what pain and suffering actually are. You think you have... but you haven't.

"I wanna know how to fix it. What do we do?"

accept that you've been lied to and stop believing you're special. You're not. No one owes you anything. No one gives a fuck about you. That doesn't make them bad people. You're not brilliant. You're not super smart. You're a nearly useless kid with no skills and very little of value to offer.

So change that. Go acquire a useful skill that is in demand. Learn to weld. Learn to program in a language that is in demand. Plumber.. electrician... deck hand on a tugboat... anything. Figure out a skill you can acquire and stop complaining. Life's not fair. Life's not fun. Life's not easy. Nothing worth a damn is easy to get.

Learn to work. Learn to push yourself.

That's what your generation needs more than anything.

Blogger CM August 05, 2015 10:02 AM  

Huggum -

A trend in public schools that started while i was in school (Class of '02) was research papers without analyses or argument with suppirting facts.

Having been homeschooled in middle school, how my parents taught me to do research papers was very different than what the school did. Every "unique" idea required a reference. If it wasn't referenced, it was plagiarized. In essence, the student wasn't allowed to draw their own conclusion... it HAD to be somebody else's.

The irony is that I knew young teachers after college complaining that all their students did was rewrite their sources in their own words. Well... duh. You won't let them think for themselves!

Facts need references. But you should only need to be exercised on logic skills when drawing conclusions from the facts you are given. Public schools no longer teach this and haven't for 15+ years.

Blogger JCclimber August 05, 2015 10:05 AM  

Here is what is wrong with how we are raising our children, and it has nothing to do with our public schools, which are a symptom, not the deepest root cause:
1. much of christianity is churchianity, or in other words, little God clubs that are a step or two more conservative than the world, but are steeped in feminism and conformity.
2. Television, computers/internet, smartphones. Look at the average time spent per week in front of these mind, body, spirit, and creativity killers and find out how much it has increased over the years.
3. Parents are both working outside the home, usually in crap jobs that suck up their mental energy, and have little time and energy to fully raise their children.
4. Parents turn their little children over to others to be forced into conformity at a younger and younger age. The children learn to be the same, and to learn only as much as necessary to get praise, at an extremely young age. This sets a life-long pattern that is so deeply embedded that I doubt most could change it even if they realize what is going on and want to change.

None of the above blames our education system directly.

By the way, you also see this by driving through ANY metro area in this country. The strip malls look identical, and with some regional variation, the franchises are pretty much the same as well.

Blogger automatthew August 05, 2015 10:07 AM  

I wanna know how to fix it. What do we do?

Find a mentor in your field of interest, someone at least 8 years older than you, preferably GenX.

Blogger Cataline Sergius August 05, 2015 10:08 AM  

@19

Passion counts for something.

Now prove me wrong.

Blogger David-093 August 05, 2015 10:08 AM  

"Everything I've seen from them is lifeless cliche. They are indeed and truly afraid to dream for themselves."

Civic generations, like the GIs and Millennials, are never creative in their youth. It just doesn't happen. Their cultural developments come after the Crisis when they're older. It's not good or bad, it's just the way it is, so it's not as hopeless as it seems,

Blogger CM August 05, 2015 10:11 AM  

Civic generations, like the GIs and Millennials, are never creative in their youth. It just doesn't happen. Their cultural developments come after the Crisis when they're older.

So we're the fighters and the rebuilders while our kids get to be the next creators?

Anonymous Athor Pel August 05, 2015 10:12 AM  

"19. Huggums August 05, 2015 9:26 AM
...
Here's a question that's very relevant to me. You think public education is a mess. I can see the problems with the current education system, but I don't exactly know everything we're doing wrong now and how it's worse than what we were doing before. What were we doing before that was so great anyways? What changed and why?"



American public schools and every school in the world that uses the same pedagogic methods has been screwing humanity over since their inception. It is by design.

That they are worse now is not a signifier that they were good in any degree before when looked at in the context of realizing full human potential.

That they are worse now is a symptom of the larger culture getting more toxic in that school administrations are able to enact ever more dehumanizing regimes. This is what progressives do, they push our sense of true and false further into the false while selling it as truth.

With that said here's the short answer to what we as individuals can do to fix things. First, don't put your kids in public school. if you do then you've proven you do not love them and have given all repsonsibility for raising them to strangers paid by the state. If you doubt this count the hours a week they are in school or not in your presence versus hours spent with you, their parents. Parents cannot compete.

Second, how each person learns is unique. One size does not fit all but there is one thing universal, all humans learn when we want to learn. Active teaching on its own does not work.

You might want to know at least one way children are ill served by public school, how it actively harms. The teaching methods themselves foster an environment that discourages if not completely destroys a student's inborn curiosity by the third grade.

To cap it off, public schools take the most powerful tool for self learning, reading, and make it odious to the students.

Much of what I'm saying here I got from John Taylor Gatto and John Holt. Both were career educators of deep perception.

OpenID vfm360 August 05, 2015 10:12 AM  

@11

Everything I've seen from them is lifeless cliche. They are indeed and truly afraid to dream for themselves.

Hyperbole much?

Anonymous Clint #47/#73 August 05, 2015 10:13 AM  

@35 Nate is right. I have the thrill every year of hiring people as part time tutors. Most don't make it. I hire them, then they find every excuse in the book to not come in for work. So I have to fire them. The tutors that hang around tend to be older. If they do have to miss work, they apologize profusely, and I know that they are probably near death, else they would be there.

You want to fix the problem? Freaking get a job and work it. Will it suck? Probably very often. Still get up and go. Don't stop going until you get a new, better job. Then work that sucker as hard as you can.

I would also encourage you to study logic. Learn how to think logically. I have students give me the stupidest excuses for why they don't do their work, and their excuses are not only stupid, but illogical. Learn how to think and communicate your thoughts clearly.

If you will work hard and think properly, you will do fine.

Anonymous Satan's Hamster August 05, 2015 10:14 AM  

"I don't exactly know everything we're doing wrong now and how it's worse than what we were doing before."

Cultural Marxism.

The Prussian school system was designed to produce Good Germans who'd do what they were told, so it's never been much good for the individuals pushed through the sausage machine. But they at least tried to produce competent drones who'd work in factories or fight in the army. The Cultural Marxists want to produce low-information voters who won't think for themselves, will be permanently on welfare, and vote them into power.

When I was at school in the 80s, most of the teachers were ex-military, because Britain had conscription in the 50s and 60s. They didn't take any crap, didn't tell you you were great if you sucked, and told you you sucked if you sucked. There was none of the 'all must have prizes' 'self-esteem' culture of modern schooling that's prevented many potentially creative people from pushing their abilities.

More importantly, they were mostly male. We didn't yet have the 'OMG! We can't let men near boys!' paranoia that's driven so many men out of teaching.

The Cultural Marxists had only just begun their invasion of schooling, and they were the metrosexual guys no kids respected or wanted anything to do with because... well, why would you? Two killed themselves, and one turned out to be a paedophile, so maybe 'don't let Cultural Marxist men near boys' might not be such a bad idea after all.

Anyway, I'm rambling. But the answer is, Cultural Marxists telling kids how wonderful they are and how they'll become important artists because they can draw in crayon, when the teachers of my time would have told them it was shit and they should start over and do some real art.

Blogger David-093 August 05, 2015 10:18 AM  

"So we're the fighters and the rebuilders while our kids get to be the next creators?"

Yes. Because Civics come of age during the Crisis, they (and we) don't really have the time to worry about culture, theyre worried about surviving. So the Crisis hits, the Civics pull through and then rebuild society during the Recovery/High. That's when Civic culture shines, and it comes from what they learned and experienced during the Crisis.

Think the 1950s and the GIs. The GIs were considered just as useless and lazy as the Mills are today, but when the Depression and War hit that opinion started changing.

Anonymous Steve Brown VFM#0273 August 05, 2015 10:21 AM  

@35 Nate

Bravo!

Blogger Cail Corishev August 05, 2015 10:24 AM  

tl;dr I know a lot of what millennials were taught is bullsh*t. I wanna know how to fix it. What do we do?

This will sound flippant, but it's really not: for starters, if you want to be treated like grownups, write like grownups. Think about what "tl;dr" means: "Too long; didn't read." It reeks of Gamma. If you really think what your wrote is too long, exert some discipline and shorten it. Don't just dump it out there and then apologize at the end to those who slogged through it all. If it's not really "too long," don't apologize. If what you mean is that you're about to summarize, then use "In summary," or "In short." Or just go ahead and summarize, since that's what a final paragraph is for.

If you want to say "shit," say "shit." If you don't think that's appropriate, use a different word. Don't write like you think Teacher is watching.

It's not that there's never a place for LOLspeak, or that you have to write everything like it's being graded. But try to calibrate your style to your audience and what you're trying to convey. When you're saying, "You should respect us more," try not to sound like a whiny kid.

It's been said here that Millennials see X-ers as cool big brothers. If so, that means X-ers will tend to see Millennials as annoying little brothers. But when your little brother grows up and can approach you as an equal, he can become a good friend.

Blogger Quadko August 05, 2015 10:29 AM  

Huggums @19: That's fair.
how it's worse than what we were doing before. What were we doing before that was so great anyways? What changed and why?"

1. Reading - if you can read, you can learn anything, including math. If you can read and do math, there is nothing any human has come up with that you can't understand well enough to accept or reject. Read easy stuff for the fun, and hard stuff for the challenge. Read people who are smarter than you that you agree with to deepen. Read people who you disagree with to broaden, especially if they are smarter than you. And with ebooks it's never been easier to read.

2. Only results matter - and good process is part of the result. The ends don't justify the means, the means don't justify the end; get results, a good end by a good means. Feelings, trying, clocking time - none of that matters. Nature will try to kill you, but it's still your job to successfully get food and bring it back to the camp.

"Hard work never killed a man. Men die of boredom, psychological conflict, and disease. They do not die of hard work." David Ogilvy

What seems to have changed is that schools and teaching became about the teachers, not about the kids. About the babysitting, not the training. About the political propaganda, not the foundation for accomplishment. And the change has been slow, so some "old stuff" was just as bad - training up factory workers and union members, not leaders and discoverers and equipping self-made men. Where are the rifle training and gun clubs ("education is the answer")? Where are training in logic, classics, and just the great foundations of our western civilization - best civilization ever? For that matter, why doesn't everyone leave school knowing how to program computers, run a small business, and write a novel? Where's the systemic training in useful skills and hope for an exiting future of accomplishment? Science is still so young, but schools teach it like its all been discovered.

And for music - cool! For me the best way to find new music lately is to search for "the most skilled" in instrumentalists and try to find something I like. Latest two examples, coming from a hippy folk and rock background long ago, was finding Solid Air's Groovemaster series and world class acoustic guitar players like Tommy Emmanuel, Robin Bullock, Preston Reed. Then, followed up with electric guitar and exploring people like Joe Satriani, Tony MacAlpine, and Vinnie Moore. Your path will look different, but give up on teen-oriented pop and look for skilled musicians in or past their prime exploring music, not sales. Argentine Tango? Russian Techno? Swedish Electronica? One guy with a banjo? Full orchestra? Classic poetry set to music? Instrumental, foreign language, or vocalists? Too much music for one lifetime, but worth exploring!

Blogger maniacprovost August 05, 2015 10:32 AM  

I see X-ers as the dude who listens to Michael Jackson while working out in his garage. His Jeep is out in the yard, not running.

BOOM how do you like the stereotypes now?

Blogger David-093 August 05, 2015 10:34 AM  

"I see X-ers as the dude who listens to Michael Jackson while working out in his garage. His Jeep is out in the yard, not running.

BOOM how do you like the stereotypes now?"

I have a neighbor that fits exactly that stereotype. Except it's not Michael Jackson, it's the Simpsons, and he Jeeps got a flat.

Blogger Nate August 05, 2015 10:41 AM  

"BOOM how do you like the stereotypes now?"

We don't care.

We have such contempt for the generations we're sandwiched between that the opinions and perceptions of those generations are so far beyond insignificant it can't even begin to register.

Think... do you care what a radical feminist think about you?

Good.

Now you know how Generation X thinks about the Boomers and these useless Mils

Blogger Garuda1 August 05, 2015 10:42 AM  

Being an early millenial homeschooled by strong Christian parents, I've had the opportunity to gain some of the values that Nate and others have mentioned. I was taught hard work at a very young age doing landscaping, roofing, and many construction site days with my father. I was always taught "if you don't work, you don't eat" along with being given a great example by my extremely hard-working and strong father (to whom I shall forever be grateful for the tools he had given me to survive). Ultimately a good work ethic must come through lots of hard work and understanding the counter-productive nature of complaining. Also, millenials who are stuck in low wage jobs are not all there due to laziness or lack of ambition. I've been stuck in such jobs to take care of my daughter as I've attempted to find a good career, but even in such menial positions I always tried to work harder than anybody in the company. I don't wish to derail the thread (especially after the "long" hiatus by our esteemed dark lord), so I'll leave it at that. Fellow millenials: it all comes down to pushing yourself as hard as you can while having a firm understanding of theology and devotion to Christ.

Anonymous Porky August 05, 2015 10:44 AM  

Huggums,

Christianity is the great civilizing force. Why seek a muse in popular culture when the Holy Spirit freely offers you a fount of wisdom, understanding, truth and beauty?

The Matrix is humanism. The Matrix is antichrist. The Matrix tells you that the culture centers around media, music, games, literature, science, architecture, art, food, sex, technology, and above all - self.

You want to save Western Civilization? Get out of your self.

Anonymous BGS August 05, 2015 10:44 AM  

"artistically mind neutered, than the Millennials." "I blame fluoridation of the pineal gland, which I learned about precisely yesterday.""What were we doing before that was so great anyways? What changed and why?"

“In one century we went from teaching Latin and Greek in high school to offering remedial English in college.” – Joseph Sobran

Huggums-All that "White Privilege" "Social Justice gay sex math"( have linked it before its real), teaching history that didn't happen, afrocentrism, took out time that used to be spent on logic & Reason that you purposely didn't get. Combined with classes slowing down instruction to the pace of the stupidest black its no wonder millennial are lacking. Instead of being taught bullshit you could have learned Latin, Greek, and the logic of Plato/Aristotle/ Cicero at the same time. If you have not read the 48 laws of power read them first. Check out Prager Universities youtube page. Classical music helps people think.

You had teachers that the most important thing for them personally to teach is that non Asian minority failure is STR8 WHITE Church Going Christian Men's fault & didn't want you to have the logic of asking yourself "Have I ever meet a black in real life as smart as seen on TV?" "If I was kicked out of over 200 bars across all cultures could it possibly be something I am doing that Martin Luther wrote a book about in the 16th century?"

I hardly listen to the radio now because the music is so dull and samey. I

After reading the Chinese history "point deer make horse" link someone shared the other day. I came to realize it was right. Things like Bruce Jenner defective tranny are actually shit tests that the powers that be in Hollywood used to weed out those that wont have loyalty. If you say Bruce Jenner is a man or defective tranny no advancement for you. Its easier to destroy the career of an artist/actor when they are minor than when they get to Mel Gibson's standing. With Carlos Slims and 5 secular jewish families controlling almost all the media & similar makeup of Hollywood you are not going to get any rebellious music that breaks the narrative listening to a top 40 station.

Sure, here's some useful information. Nobody likes a whiner, so stop with the poor, pitiful me routine.

Even gay guys want real men.

Anonymous Steve August 05, 2015 10:44 AM  

When I was at school, teachers challenged you to think, argue, and back up your assertions with logic and facts.

It was a Catholic school, so they approached things from that perspective, but not all the kids were Catholic or even Christian and it was fine if you didn't agree with Church teachings - so long as you were prepared to back up whatever you were saying. If you couldn't back up your arguments, your dialectical deficiencies would be ruthlessly dissected in front of the class by a teacher who was not very subtle but lightning-quick to anger.

A bit like VP in that respect.

"Self esteem" wasn't on the curriculum. The best teachers used fear and authority to knock some education into our thick adolescent skulls. When you heard "You, boy!" being roared across the halls or playing fields, and saw a furious educator pointing the finger of doom at you, you did exactly as you were told.

We hated them, but we respected them.

The most important subject in my education was in History. Not just for the broad sweep of subject matter, from the Norman invasion through to the Early Modern period, the Industrial Revolution, WW1 and the Bolshevik terror. But also because it was History teachers, more than any other type, who taught me to think on my feet.

In history classes, one of the most enduring lessons was to question received wisdom and go back to primary sources wherever possible. But also to ask what agenda the people writing those primary sources might have had. And to formulate arguments and then defend them in front of your peers.

Another important part of our education was sport. Our PE teachers were serenely indifferent to the physical pain and suffering we'd endure playing rugby. Not just the dislocated shoulders, loosened teeth, bloodied noses and so on, but also broken bones.

"Don't be a poof", was the soothing advice one teacher give a boy who was crying about his shattered ankle while awaiting medical treatment.

Now, this wasn't that long ago. But I have Millenials working under me now and it's as if they grew up in a different country.

Constantly in need of validation. Not particularly inclined to work hard. Soft. Dogmatic. Afflicted by text speak and spelling mistakes and grammatical howlers that would have earned me a bollocking at age 11.

But they're not irredeemable. They've just been let down by their well-meaning parents and schools.

The main lessons I try to teach them, as far as that's possible in a big corporate environment, are:

1) The world doesn't care about you or owe you a living
2) This isn't school - if you don't perform, you'll be shown the door
3) Take control of your own learning and development. I'll support you, but won't do it for you
4) Learn how to communicate in a professional manner
5) Excuses are not just as good as results. See point 2 above.

This is work-stuff, but it helps with life-stuff too. The most important thing is dispelling the special snowflake attitude and helping them realise that the world is your oyster, but only if you're prepared to use your brains and work your balls off.

Blogger VFM bot #188 August 05, 2015 10:45 AM  

If you can program Unity you can get a job.


I'm ready! Just one thing. What's "Unity"?

Anonymous Clint #47/#73 August 05, 2015 10:47 AM  

@49 - good point about results. I often have students who complain about their grade, and the main reason? "But I worked really hard on that assignment."

Super. Glad you wanted to spend time and work hard. Still, the assignment was to write an argumentative essay about a particular topic. You write a narrative about your family vacation to Disney World. You did not do what was assignment. Working hard does not remove the need to do the actual assignment.

Translation to the real world: You have a job at MacDonalds and your manager tells you to sweep the floor and dump the trash. So you go clean the windows and wipe down the tables. The freakin' windows might be spic and span, the the Tables spotless. But you did not do the right job. You keep that up, and you will be seeing if Wendy's is hiring.

Blogger Doom August 05, 2015 10:52 AM  

Most companies are avoiding the chronically unemployed and millennials. Quite often the same thing, true enough. When you believe you have moral superiority, and a right to engage it within the duties you are assigned, or even against your boss because lets face it, white middle aged men are evil, and you won't dig ditches (though they put up with that crap even less in blue collar), prospects are almost as dim as these little lib-bots they have attacked business with. I wouldn't count on millennials for much. As to China? We'll see. I wouldn't hold my breath about them either. It's more like a race to the bottom. Still, if you get a pool going (on the race I mean), I'll put in a dollar.

About #3... What? Too late, not interested in an English competency test, unless you simply bungled that. Actually, never interested. I think I got it, but... damn.

And I swear, you keep talking about how this or that, then bring one on board. Something about how women ruin everything. Or how conservatives jump for a black. And, then... you go like a cat and drag one in. Whatever. I'm sure she is just a darling little squat who... blah, blah... and... oh, yeah, blah. Damn kids. I say, I say. Get it right, boy.

Blogger Nate August 05, 2015 10:52 AM  

" I've been stuck in such jobs to take care of my daughter as I've attempted to find a good career, but even in such menial positions I always tried to work harder than anybody in the company. "

Yes.

That's called being young.

There's a cure for it. Time + Work.

You'll be fine.

Blogger Brad Andrews August 05, 2015 10:52 AM  

@4 Time to drop the Java and get my hands on unity. Anything else to focus on?

Pursuing the current hot language is not necessarily the best approach. Learn many languages, not just one. Make it a hobby. Write productive things in several and you will be much better off, especially if you are just starting off.

My own focus would add to learn how to make them secure, as many are starting to realize that we must code securely. The demands in this area are also in an uptrend.

Other areas will likely have sticking power as well, such as data science related work. It all depends on what you want to do, but learn the "why" not just the "how".

Anonymous Martin August 05, 2015 10:53 AM  

I'm not a millennial, but I'm understanding the lack of motivation to a certain extent. Every day I see things that remind be being an honest, hard working person just makes me a sap as I'm gouged to pay for everyone else's mistakes. Yeah, you can still do fine, but too many people do a lot better gaming the system in various ways. If I could send myself a message in the past, I'd say to relegate the tech stuff to a hobby and go into finance and then politics.

Like this asinine "high speed" train we're allegedly building here in California. It's so obvious it was planned from the start as a money spigot for the politically connected. They probably wind up cobbling together some half assed normal speed train system over the next 50 years because some of the connected people own construction companies.

It's just endless corruption from top to bottom in government and business. I think Vox said a month or so back that, yeah, we live on a pretty damn dark and evil world. I'm find myself stumbling a bit more often, and the tank holding the number of fucks I give is approaching empty.

Blogger Nate August 05, 2015 10:54 AM  

Also... Ace Combat freakin' rocks.

Anonymous FriarBob August 05, 2015 10:55 AM  

A good start would be to avoid the public indoctrination (school) system for your kids. Same goes for anyone else here for whom it's not too late.

Homeschooling can be a lot of work and private schools can get very expensive... but there ARE options. Cheaper schools. Scholarships or assistance programs. Voucher systems (sometimes). Homeschool programs the parents administer rather than do all planning/teaching/grading. Etc. Find one that fits your budget and use it.

Blogger Nate August 05, 2015 10:56 AM  

"Every day I see things that remind be being an honest, hard working person just makes me a sap as I'm gouged to pay for everyone else's mistakes."

So what?

Seriously you think this is new? You think you're the first people do deal with this? Jesus man read a history book. Read up on the Railroads. This isn't new. its been going on for time eternal.

Worrying about it doesn't help.

Go to work.

Blogger Cail Corishev August 05, 2015 10:57 AM  

I see X-ers as the dude who listens to Michael Jackson while working out in his garage. His Jeep is out in the yard, not running.

BOOM how do you like the stereotypes now?


I'm nodding in recognition. I went to school with those guys. I'm one of them, in some ways. I owned Thriller just like everyone else. It was good; it's not like we were all hypnotized into buying it.

But the main thing is: I don't identify with my generation. I've never spent two seconds being mad because someone, fairly or unfairly, criticized X-ers -- or left-handers, or blue-eyed people, or any other group I happen to fall into. What would be the point of that? Sure, there are some broad traits that people in the same generation tend to share, but they aren't rules -- where they don't apply to you, don't worry about it. Or have some fun with it and respond in kind, because every generation has flaws and embarrassing features.

My generation sucks in some ways, and I suck in some ways. I can do something about the latter, but not the former, so it really doesn't matter whether they overlap, and I have no reason to defend the former.

Anonymous Clint #47/#73 August 05, 2015 10:57 AM  

@61 Every day I see things that remind be being an honest, hard working person just makes me a sap as I'm gouged to pay for everyone else's mistakes.

Yeah, sometimes that happens. Work hard anyway. That would be my advice. In 6 years, I have gone from the "new guy" to the "indispensable guy" at my place of work. Why? I do what needs to be done. People who have been there for many years longer than me sit by and scrape by, doing just enough to keep from getting fired. I do my job, plus anything else that needs to be done, delegating to others when appropriate. Result? If it comes time to clean house, I won't get swept out the door.

Blogger Josh August 05, 2015 10:57 AM  

My advice to millennials:

Stop whining.

Anonymous Porky August 05, 2015 11:01 AM  

"I see X-ers as the dude who listens to Michael Jackson while working out in his garage. His Jeep is out in the yard, not running."

I see millenials as whiny, pudgy pajama-boys with their faces buried in cell phones who cry when the internet connection goes down.

Blogger Nate August 05, 2015 11:04 AM  

"I'm nodding in recognition. I went to school with those guys. I'm one of them, in some ways. I owned Thriller just like everyone else. It was good; it's not like we were all hypnotized into buying it."

Most of us were like 10 when Thriller came out. Thriller isn't X music at all. Maybe if he'd said Pearl Jam or Stone Temple Pilots....

Anonymous BGS August 05, 2015 11:09 AM  

study history...patterns emerge that will let you see problems and avoid them.It's fun, once you get used to it

History in 3 sentences. Elite looters have a stunningly simple MO that they repeat seemingly non-stop. Destroy a nation and its economy, and then swoop in and collect hard assets on the cheap usually with easy money due to proximity to central bankers. The goal that these connected money men want is a publicly sanctioned private looting.

If you want to say "shit," say "shit." Vox will even let you say nigger here but you have to use logic and reason in your arugments

Anonymous The other robot August 05, 2015 11:12 AM  

I'm ready! Just one thing. What's "Unity"?

Unity

Search engines are your friend (well, maybe not Google or Bing.)

Blogger David-093 August 05, 2015 11:13 AM  

Boomers love the idea of generations (Strauss and Howe are Boomers) because it confirms their perception of themselves as important. Xers don't care at all about generations because Xers are not united enough to view a generation with anything other than suspicion or disdain. There was no singular moment that unified Xers, it was a long continuous series of mini-crises, going from bad to worse to really good then really bad. Millennials like generations because it makes us feel like we're part of something.

Anonymous The other robot August 05, 2015 11:16 AM  

Boomers love the idea of generations (Strauss and Howe are Boomers) because it confirms their perception of themselves as important. Xers don't care at all about generations because Xers are not united enough to view a generation with anything other than suspicion or disdain.

In every generation there are those who make a difference and do positive things and those who simply waste space.

There are many more of the latter than there are of the former.

Anonymous 224 August 05, 2015 11:18 AM  

Re:unity &c#. Unity isn't fully compatible w the latest version of c#. We ran into a problem at work trying to use 4.5 .Net in Unity. Unity was only comparable up to 2.5 IIRC. If anyone knows otherwise let me know.

Blogger Cail Corishev August 05, 2015 11:19 AM  

@Nate,

To be fair, he said Michael Jackson; I said Thriller. I was 13 when Thriller came out, and I'm 4-8 years inside the X-er line. But we've talked here before about how X-ers (as consumers) span two very different musical eras.

But anyway, if I were writing an insult about X-ers working out in the garage with a Jeep up on blocks in the yard, I would have used Metallica.

Blogger Nate August 05, 2015 11:20 AM  

wierd... I don't know a single Gen Xer ever say they didn't believe in generational identity until today.

Sounds like a snowflake to me.

Anonymous The other robot August 05, 2015 11:21 AM  

In every generation there are those who make a difference and do positive things and those who simply waste space.

There are many more of the latter than there are of the former.


Also, male and female contributors are different. Women who have babies are contributors. Especially smart women who have babies.

Blogger Nate August 05, 2015 11:21 AM  

The Jeep in the yard thing is prime Xer. Gen X is a generation that dreams a lot... and that's what that Jeep is.

Anonymous BigGaySteve August 05, 2015 11:24 AM  

Looks like my first post disappeared mioght have been too long.

“In one century we went from teaching Latin and Greek in high school to offering remedial English in college.” – Joseph Sobran

Instead of BS you could have been taught Greek, Latin, Plato, Aristotle and Cicero at the same time. Instead teachers where much more interested in teaching NotAllBlacksAreLikeThat , social justice gay sex math, afrocentrism (blacks created airplane & electricity before whites) and history that didn't exist. They purposely didn't want you to have logic/reason because then you might ask questions like "why have I never meet a black as smart as seen on TV" or 'If I was kicked out of 200+ bars across all different cultures maybe its something I did?" http://www.gaypatriot.net/2015/04/29/lesbian-teacher-uses-math-class-to-indoctrinate-pre-teens-in-gay-issues-and-social-justice/

If you have not read it yet the 48 laws of power is something millennial should read. Classical music will help you think, todays artists are controlled product. After reading the Chinese "point deer make horse" link someone here provided, it was obvious that those that control lamestream news, Hollywood, and the music business would destroy careers of artists that didn't fit the narrative. They don't want to wait until the next Mel Gibson is a major star to have to destroy him.

Blogger David-093 August 05, 2015 11:31 AM  

Xer stereotype: Jeep or pick-up truck being worked on, motorcycle, yard semi unkempt, two kids, garage is a feminist's nightmare, wears a baseball cap all the time, around 40 yrs old, plays COD, loves guns, works a middle-class or lower-middle class job, doesn't vote or occasionally votes Republican, tends to lean libertarian, listens to classic rock or metal.

Mill stereotype: Has a car, mountain bikes, lives in apartment or home, one maybe two kids, mid-20s, has latest tech gadgets, plays MMORPG games on laptop, has and likes guns, facebook/twitter/instagram always open and updated, works lower-class paying job but either going to college or has gone to college, listens to music on Pandora or Youtube, votes Rep if white votes Dem if not

Anonymous Geoff August 05, 2015 11:32 AM  

"Nobody actually gives a shit about you except your mom"

My Mom thinks I'm handsome.

Blogger Cail Corishev August 05, 2015 11:32 AM  

Gen X is a generation that dreams a lot... and that's what that Jeep is.

Poetry.

Blogger collisioncat67 August 05, 2015 11:34 AM  

"Great art all comes from pain and suffering...and well..your generation is the most spoiled, coddled, weak, and pathetic generation ever."

Give these kids a break; they suffer climate change, lack of diversity, and many don't even have the latest iteration of the i-phone.

Anonymous Peter Garstig August 05, 2015 11:34 AM  

we didn't raise ourselves, man.

Please explain how your raising has removed your authority over yourself.

Blogger David-093 August 05, 2015 11:35 AM  

"wierd... I don't know a single Gen Xer ever say they didn't believe in generational identity until today."

I've only ever heard Xers say "Yeah I guess im Gen-X cause I was born in [year]." I've not really heard anything beyond that, certainly not the way the Boomers talk about themselves. Mills talk about generations, but its usually about growing up in the 90s or our entertainment and not really the generation itself.

Anonymous Geoff August 05, 2015 11:41 AM  

"Give these kids a break; they suffer climate change, lack of diversity, and many don't even have the latest iteration of the i-phone."

Don't forget they also suffer from the terrible rape culture.

Blogger Nate August 05, 2015 11:49 AM  

"I've not really heard anything beyond that, certainly not the way the Boomers talk about themselves."

That's because Gen X doesn't think it is suppose to save the world. In fact... it thinks the whole concept of saving the world is damn retarded.

Anonymous Porky August 05, 2015 11:49 AM  

"Give these kids a break; they suffer climate change, lack of diversity, and many don't even have the latest iteration of the i-phone."

And their only positive role models for marriage are Brangelina, Tomkat, and Bennifer.

Anonymous Not-So-Merry zen0 August 05, 2015 11:51 AM  

@19 Huggums

It is infuriating when I come to this site and see be like this. Not because you're talking sh*t about millennials, but because this site and others like it are supposed to be about planting the seeds for the restoration of civilization at least in part. When it comes to my generation though, all anyone can seem to do is talk sh*t. We didn't raise ourselves, man.

Don't get mad, get even.

Blogger Nate August 05, 2015 11:52 AM  

' I would have used Metallica.'

metallica was never as huge for Gen X as people look back and think. They had a big fan base... but it was nothing like Pearl Jam and Nirvana.

Anonymous patrick kelly August 05, 2015 11:53 AM  

80. David-093 re: X-er stereotype -

Got me pegged, except I'm a lil' older..... In the usual timeline I'm at the end of the boomer generation, but I tend identify closer with X-ers....

Anonymous Huckleberry August 05, 2015 11:55 AM  

Instead teachers where much more interested

To be fair, the quality of teachers has gone down along with the quality of everything else.
Today's teachers are yesterday's students who shouldn't have gone to college.

Anonymous zen0 August 05, 2015 11:57 AM  

@86 Nate

> That's because Gen X doesn't think it is suppose to save the world. In fact... it thinks the whole concept of saving the world is damn retarded.

That's interesting. How were X'ers spared the subtle influence of the Jewish dogma of tikkun olam (repairing the world). Was there a lull in the propaganda war?

Blogger Brad Andrews August 05, 2015 12:03 PM  

@36 The irony is that I knew young teachers after college complaining that all their students did was rewrite their sources in their own words. Well... duh. You won't let them think for themselves!

This is a copout. Do research to reinforce what you say, not say it for you. I regularly mark papers for this. I expect students to do their own thinking AND back it up with research.

You need to learn to think and to do research! Either alone is not sufficient.

@48 It reeks of Gamma.

I am not sure Cail. Executive summaries have been around for years. This is just that under another name. A quick summary and then a more detailed explanation has merit.

I have been working to tighten what I say, but depth can have value in the proper concept. This is why you have an introduction and a conclusion on papers. Those can be read to get a quick view of the content of the paper, allowing the body to go into detail.

Anonymous Porky August 05, 2015 12:05 PM  

Boomer's Colonel Sanders was a slim, genteel southerner with a secret recipe for chicken.

Gen X's Colonel Sanders was a slim, genteel southerner with a secret recipe for original or extra crispy chicken.

Millenial Colonel Sanders is a fat, sniggering retard who dips fried chicken strips in ranch dressing.

Just an observation.

Blogger David-093 August 05, 2015 12:05 PM  

@Huggums "When it comes to my generation though, all anyone can seem to do is talk sh*t. We didn't raise ourselves, man."

Boomers think Mills are lazy and Xers think Mills are useless. There's a solution to this: prove them wrong.

@Nate That's because Gen X doesn't think it is suppose to save the world. In fact... it thinks the whole concept of saving the world is damn retarded.

The irony is that Reactive types (Liberty, Gilded, Lost, Xer) are usually the ones that do the leading for when "saving the world" actually arrives. Reactives lead during the Crisis, Civics follow then take what they learned and use it to rebuild.

"Got me pegged, except I'm a lil' older..... In the usual timeline I'm at the end of the boomer generation, but I tend identify closer with X-ers...."

1964-65? That's Xer. The gens get blurry around the dividing line.

@zen0 "That's interesting. How were X'ers spared the subtle influence of the Jewish dogma of tikkun olam (repairing the world). Was there a lull in the propaganda war?"

A harsher upbringing than what the Boomers experienced. Neglect is probably the word for it. Having to work a bit harder to survive in the world than one's predecessors will do that.

Anonymous Huckleberry August 05, 2015 12:14 PM  

When it comes to my generation though, all anyone can seem to do is talk sh*t

Or "shit" even.
One of the major issues with your generation, such as it is, is the extremely thin skin to any adversity whatsoever.
Heed the advice given here or don't, but for fuck's sake stop pretending to be so fucking delicate.
That's your generation's first and foremost problem.

Blogger Brad Andrews August 05, 2015 12:20 PM  

OT: So Nate, I got a PS4 and Destiny on your recommendation and struggle with the shooter skills it definitely requires. Any hope or count the money wasted?

Blogger Huggums August 05, 2015 12:22 PM  

This is great stuff. I have two other questions. How would you go about developing a great work ethic if you don't have one and could you define "hard worker" in concrete terms? Give me an example of the typical day of a hard worker.

I know that seems really ridiculous, but hard work to you and to me may mean different things.

Blogger Nate August 05, 2015 12:24 PM  

"That's interesting. How were X'ers spared the subtle influence of the Jewish dogma of tikkun olam (repairing the world). Was there a lull in the propaganda war?"

Experience. We had to deal with the damage done by the idiot boomers. The boomers drive to "change the world!" made our lives significantly more difficult... not less. Dealing with the problems caused by their mistakes made X jaded.

Blogger Huggums August 05, 2015 12:25 PM  

Ok. I can do that.

Blogger Nate August 05, 2015 12:28 PM  

"I know that seems really ridiculous, but hard work to you and to me may mean different things. "

K.

go get a shovel. a full length shovel.

Now dig a hole. It needs to be as deep as the shovel is tall... and it needs to be large enough that you can lay the shovel in the middle and spin it without ever touching the sides. Start it in the morning and don't stop for longer than a few minutes until its done. Drink water and wear a pair of gloves.

When you get done with that... you'll know what hard work is.

If you can't do that.. and have never done something equivalent... then you don't know what work is and your idea of work is wrong.

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Anonymous Clint #47/#73 August 05, 2015 12:29 PM  

@98 How would you go about developing a great work ethic if you don't have one and could you define "hard worker" in concrete terms? Give me an example of the typical day of a hard worker.

There is no absolute way to answer the question, as it depends on what your job is. I work in academia, so working hard entails grading papers, preparing classes, doing other assigned duties, etc. No hard physical work, for the most part, but pretty time consuming.
Someone who works in construction will a much more physically demanding job.
The principle is what matters. DO YOUR JOB. That is working. Do what you are told to do, by your boss. If you are allowed some latitude for initiative, then use it judiciously. When you first start the new job, just do what you are told. Do everything you are told to do. Do it to the very best of your ability. Do not half-ass. Do it like God Almighty is standing there watching you, grading your performance. Do it as efficiently as possible, but do it well.

No cutting corners. No whining if your best gets the shit critiqued out of it, and you end up having to do it over. Learn and get better. Keep doing your best, everytime.

Blogger Nate August 05, 2015 12:30 PM  

"So Nate, I got a PS4 and Destiny on your recommendation and struggle with the shooter skills it definitely requires. Any hope or count the money wasted?"

destiny doesn't require great shooter skills. Try different weapons. What are your primary issues? if you miss a lot with precision type weapons... use the shotgun or fusion rifles.

Give me specifics and I can talk you through it. what class are you.. what level are you.. and where are you having trouble

Anonymous Clint #47/#73 August 05, 2015 12:32 PM  

@101, regarding Nate's advice about the shovel.

I should mention that my comments @103 are in context of having plenty of the shovel work in the background. I worked some hard jobs (including shovel work for a phone company). I have worked appliance repair. So I suppose I just assumed the basic understanding of hard work, physically.

Anonymous MrGreenMan August 05, 2015 12:32 PM  

@50

I thought the Gen-X throwback music was the Grateful Dead and P-Funk? (And, yes, Metallica...I joined the Megadeth Army; I think we are officially at detente since Dave became a Christian.)

Michael Jackson was good with his brothers.

OpenID basementhomebrewer August 05, 2015 12:37 PM  

I am in the millennial generation and I have to agree with what most of the people in other generations say about us. The most infuriating part to me is that most of the Baby Boom generation actually listens to the absolute shit that people in my generation spew. I have worked with/contracted with a few different corporations. It is a trend for executives (boomers) to want to promote young people. Who do they find to promote? The people in my generation who are busy telling everyone about all of their accomplishments. The people who don't know what real accomplishment is because they always got a participation trophy. Why the hell the boomers can't see through the arrogance and BS I have no idea. What I have found is I am popular with middle management (mostly gen-xers) because I actually do work and don't spend a lot of time bragging about my meager contributions.

Meanwhile, I see some of my colleagues getting promoted to "director" positions who have absolutely no idea how to do any real work because they have fooled an executive level boomer. They generally last for ~1 year in that position and then change companies before their lack of output is exposed. This has been happening for ~5 years and now I am noticing that there are a lot of director level people my age who have absolutely no idea how anything works. I am assuming this bubble of highly paid idiots is going to get purged across the board at all companies eventually. I am hoping I don't get confused for one of these idiots though.

Anonymous Porky August 05, 2015 12:39 PM  

I tried to enjoy Destiny. I really did.

But I gave up because I was constantly outgunned and outmatched, and the time commitment to get gunned up was ridiculously onerous.

Still a great game.

Blogger Brad Andrews August 05, 2015 12:39 PM  

@104 Give me specifics and I can talk you through it. what class are you.. what level are you.. and where are you having trouble

It is the first shadow area. I can kill some things, but they keep respawning. This is the second mission, so right near the start. I died my way through the earlier parts. (Not entirely, but somewhat. I have never been good at Halo and such, though I did reasonably fine in WoW.)

I have both a hunter and the fighter one. I was running with the fighter. Too many mobs there (where my warp drive is) to punch all of them.

I can kill things, just not enough quickly enough. Let me know if we should take this off this reply thread.

Anonymous Obvious August 05, 2015 12:39 PM  

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Blogger Brad Andrews August 05, 2015 12:42 PM  

@108 It looks nice and I am fine with some grinding, especially over time. I just need to learn what to do and know if I can muddle my way through, which is likely what will happen.

It depends on how much the twitch skills are required.

Anonymous Mike M. August 05, 2015 12:43 PM  

@95, et al.

If you guys stick with the notion of a 20-year generation, you'll never get correct results. Politically, a "generation" is 10-14 years. Someone born in the 1960-65 period has very little in common with either the Boomers or Gen X. And in many ways, dislikes both.

It's why I call us (I was born in 1963) the Baby Busters...the Brat Boomers were the prior decade group. We were the ones who got stuck with the bill.

Kindly observe that there's an implication...that the children of political Generation N is NOT Generation N+1, but N+2. And those of Generation N+1 are Generation N+3. There's an alternation going on here.

Anonymous Steve August 05, 2015 12:45 PM  

Couldn't get into Destiny.

But Dying Light - there's a great game.

You get to run around smacking zombies in the face with hammers or hacking them with meat cleavers. Bliss.

Blogger Cail Corishev August 05, 2015 12:45 PM  

How were X'ers spared the subtle influence of the Jewish dogma of tikkun olam (repairing the world).

By the time the Boomers tried to pass it on to us, they looked so damn goofy that we ignored them. We did absorb some basic liberal concepts like environmentalism at school, but we never had the slightest respect for the Boomers and their fantasies. Stop throwing trash on the roadside because it's ugly, sure. Bring world peace by getting everyone to hold hands and sing? You gotta be kidding.

Mike Judge might be a little old to be an X-er, but Idiocracy is a great X-er movie. The punch line is: you can't go back and fix things, and you were stupid to think you could.

Blogger Nate August 05, 2015 12:49 PM  

"But I gave up because I was constantly outgunned and outmatched, and the time commitment to get gunned up was ridiculously onerous."

crucible is brutal. I try to tell people to stay away from it until they are level 20 but few people take that advice.

Anonymous Clint #47/#73 August 05, 2015 12:49 PM  

The Boomers all want to sit around in a circle, holding hands, and singing Kumbaya, while they extemporize about how much they have done for the world and racial harmony, etc.
Millenials, being brought up by this bunch of morons, doesn't care so much for the circle singing, but bought into the rest of it.
Us X-ers sit back and think you are all idiots. Do some work. Be nice to the people around you. Quit trying to think that a social policy built on egalitarianism is even remotely possible. Read "Harrison Bergeron" for a good short story on the very idea.

OpenID artisanaltoadshall August 05, 2015 12:50 PM  

Huggums

You first need to learn what was done to you by the educational system in order to fix yourself. Read John Taylor Gatto's work "The Underground History of American Education" (free on his website johntaylorgatto.com )

There's great advice here but if you notice, an underlying theme is learn how to learn.

Think about that. Go to robinsoncurriculum.com On the left sidebar read "The Robinson Story." That, sir, is your roadmap.

But, these are just details.

The greatest achievement of your life will be becoming a Christian.

The problem is Christianity is the only "religion" in the world that says you have failed and there is no way for you to please God. Nothing you can do is good enough for God. Every other religion says you can work your way to Heaven, Nirvana, Valhalla or wherever. That's why they are religions and Christianity is a faith.

The first part is recognizing "I've sinned" and understanding the penalty for that sin is death. The second part is even more difficult. You see, God provided a way out. God exists in three entities: the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. God the Son became a man. He lived a perfect life as a guy named Jesus and allowed himself to be executed in order to pay the price for our sin. He paid a debt He did not owe because we owed a debt we could not pay.

If you can confess you are a sinner and by faith, believe that Jesus paid the price for your sin, repent of your sin and become a follower of Jesus, you will be saved. That’s it. Total and complete surrender.

Thing is, there are a few details. If you look it up in the Bible, in Exodus 20 God gave His commandments, known as the Decalogue or the 10 Commandments. Following that He provided His Laws, Statutes and Ordinances.

The very first of His Laws was the Law of the Bondservant, which discusses indentured servitude. Under God's Law, if a person owed a debt they couldn't pay they were sold into indentured servitude for seven years. The person who bought them paid the debt they couldn't pay and the servant then had to do whatever the master told them for 7 years. At the end of 7 years the servant had a choice: he could leave as a free man or he could choose to stay permanently as a bondservant.

If you believe, by faith, you get a Savior. But the process of getting a Savior is to admit that you were purchased and you have Master. Your life is no longer your own. That's not so easy to do. You start off believing, but over time that belief has to become a conviction. The difference is you hold onto a belief but a conviction holds on to you. As a servant you are required to obey your Master.

The Apostles, who had been with Jesus and seen Him alive after he’d been killed were convicted. They could not and would not shut up about this Jesus. Every one of them died rather than change their story.

I said that the greatest achievement of your life would be to become a Christian because until you have something you are willing to die for, you won't have anything to truly live for.

A lot of books have been mentioned, but reading and studying the Bible is the best investment of your time you'll ever make. Memorizing passages and meditating on them will clear your mind and give you focus.

I will leave you with a warning. Becoming a Christian will change your life for the better, but many people will cause problems for you and even hate you because of your faith. The reason is that you will have a desire to tell the truth and the truth hurts. The Gospel of Jesus Christ is extremely offensive, but when you’re convicted you won't back down and you won't shut up.

Just look at what happened to Vox...


Blogger Curtis August 05, 2015 12:52 PM  

19. Huggums

The Art of Manliness:

http://www.artofmanliness.com/

Blogger Nate August 05, 2015 12:56 PM  

" I can kill some things, but they keep respawning. This is the second mission, so right near the start. I died my way through the earlier parts."

Sounds like you're having trouble with Riksis? the Devil Archon? big guy... runs around with a shotgun type thing? lots of minions? I think in the mission you're trying to secure a warp drive for your ship?

Is that right or am I off?

Blogger Curtis August 05, 2015 1:00 PM  

Give me an example of the typical day of a hard worker.

Hefting a 75-90lb jack-hammer anywhere from feet level to over-head level and breaking out fire brick in a cement kiln for 12 hours a day.

Here is a pic of one being re-bricked: http://www.thermoteknix.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/cement-kiln-refractory-bricking.jpg

Blogger Nate August 05, 2015 1:03 PM  

ok... a lot of guys have trouble with that mission. Be at peace. lots of people have trouble with that one. My kids did... and they are shooter fiends.

First of all don't try to run through it. This is a deal where things keep spawning until the Big Guy is dead. So... when you first come to the area of the fight... do NOT just run in. Stay near the door and pop things with whatever you have. Use your grenade. Focus a lot on any Shanks as they can be a real pain if you let them get going. Then the little guys out and then hit the big guy in the head. Stay close to the entrance and back out when you need a break to heal up. that will also funnel the bads in the tunnel so you can wreck them with a grenade or shotgun or fusion rifle if you happen to have one. if you have a sniper rifle snipe the big guy and stay right at the entrance.

Be patient. You'll get through it.

Blogger Brad Andrews August 05, 2015 1:11 PM  

@112 Someone born in the 1960-65 period has very little in common with either the Boomers or Gen X. And in many ways, dislikes both.

I was born a year earlier and I would agree with you. I may fit some Boomer stereotypes, but I definitely don't feel a part of that group.

Anonymous BoysMom August 05, 2015 1:13 PM  

#19
We use Susan Wise Bauer's history books for elementary (Story of the World series) and middle school (History of the World series). I haven't read this: http://susanwisebauer.com/books/the-well-educated-mind-a-guide-to-the-classical-education-you-never-had/ but it might be a place to start on the educational front. If you find yourself severely lacking, I suspect there are several high school home school curricula that would fill the need: you could do worse than the course of study outlined in The Well Trained Mind or at Ambleside Online.

Blogger VD August 05, 2015 1:13 PM  

I have never seen a person with a worse worth ethic than the average millennial. Our department out of necessity has stopped hiring them. They don't last, and are constantly missing work for the flimsiest of reasons.

That's EXACTLY what I'm talking about. Do the fucking work. Nobody gives a quantum of a fuck why you didn't/can't/wouldn't do it. It's an If/Then question.

Did they do the work? If YES, then give more work. If NO, then fire.

Notice that there is no room in that equation for "NO, because...." No means no.

Blogger CM August 05, 2015 1:13 PM  

This is a copout. Do research to reinforce what you say, not say it for you. I regularly mark papers for this. I expect students to do their own thinking AND back it up with research.

Not a copout. I wrote that way. Set up my intro, brought in researched facts, and gave analysis & conclusion. In HS, my ideas were always marked down because of lack of source.

Even had a college professor confirm it when i asked him why i didn't get an A on a paper he really liked. You only get to think for yourself when you are getting a masters or doctorate. You have to appeal to authority before then. (His words, not mine)

Blogger Nate August 05, 2015 1:14 PM  

Hey... remember that time Obvious offered substantive criticism instead of snark?

..


no... me neither.

Blogger Brad Andrews August 05, 2015 1:14 PM  

@119 Is that right or am I off?

Exactly! That makes me wonder if I picked the wrong game. I easily got lost on where I am as well, so I can't always run back to the safer area where they are filtered when coming at me. Some of that may come over time, but such a wall that early seems like I may have a problem.

I did just learn that ammo will respawn when you run completely out, so that may help me a bit too, though killing that big guy remains a challenge.

I figure I could get someone to help me through that, but then I would just hit the next wall. I either need to learn how to play at the basic minimal level or not play at all.

Blogger Brad Andrews August 05, 2015 1:16 PM  

@121 Be patient. You'll get through it.

I will go back. Knowing ammo respawns helps too. I was running out and ran in to pick up a bunch of drops, only to get confused where I was and die.

My biggest concern was if that was indicative of the overall game. So they just put an early wall that I can do OK if I get by. I will try again, probably several times, and see how it goes.

Any other ways to level up before that or get a better gun? Or is it just grind that first?

Blogger Nate August 05, 2015 1:17 PM  

"Even had a college professor confirm it when i asked him why i didn't get an A on a paper he really liked. You only get to think for yourself when you are getting a masters or doctorate. You have to appeal to authority before then. (His words, not mine)"


Agreed. I dealt with this in college as well. Even when I wrote and showed why I concluded what I concluded... drawing conclusions from other works was not good enough. You had to have the same conclusions as some authority... and often it had to be the proper authority.

Blogger Curtis August 05, 2015 1:18 PM  

They had a one day workshop at my wife's work for all the managers. She called it, "How to coddle the millennial and make them feel good about themselves."

Blogger Nate August 05, 2015 1:19 PM  

"My biggest concern was if that was indicative of the overall game."


its not at all. Its just here to teach you some mechanics. Learn to make it.. and the skills and lessons you learn will take you through the future Strike missions and will be a big help. Plus... you'll be on a fire team working with 2 other guys. Lots of fun that way. And the game handles the matchmaking. and you don't need coms.

Blogger Brad Andrews August 05, 2015 1:21 PM  

@125

I can't comment on what other instructors do, but I would have marked you down a bit for lack of research as well. I also would mark you down if all you had was lots of references and discussion of those. I want to see both as both skills are necessary to succeed.

I have seen papers both ways. My biggest issue is people not meeting the requirements and wondering why they scored lower when they went on a different tangent.

I can't say what the other instructor was thinking, only what I look for. Either way, don't sweat the scores too much. I did quite well in college, but the only time my GPA mattered past my first job was when I started teaching (on the side). No one else cares about your exact GPA.

Eat the hay and spit out the sticks.

Blogger Brad Andrews August 05, 2015 1:23 PM  

@129 You had to have the same conclusions as some authority... and often it had to be the proper authority.

I could see how that would be true for some, but it is not true for all of us.

Blogger Chiva August 05, 2015 1:24 PM  

"How to coddle the millennial and make them feel good about themselves."

Yep. Mine was called "Inter generational Communication".

Blogger Brad Andrews August 05, 2015 1:25 PM  

@131 its not at all. Its just here to teach you some mechanics. Learn to make it.. and the skills and lessons you learn will take you through the future Strike missions and will be a big help. Plus... you'll be on a fire team working with 2 other guys. Lots of fun that way. And the game handles the matchmaking. and you don't need coms.

Then I will keep working at it. Better to run my hunter or fighter? (I forget the name of the latter class.) I figured punching things would be easier and it can be at times, but it can also be tough with spinning around with too many mobs around.

Any other starter tips? Or just keep working at that part until I figure it out?

Blogger Nate August 05, 2015 1:28 PM  

"I could see how that would be true for some, but it is not true for all of us."

I found it to be the case for virtually all of my professors... poly sci being the one exception.. ironic as hell too.

Anonymous liljoe August 05, 2015 1:30 PM  

let's see...tendency to conform, risk avoidance, superficial and short attention spanned... any one of these characteristics is catastrophic to an artist. milennials are well known to exhibit all of them

Blogger Nate August 05, 2015 1:31 PM  

Titan. The big guy is a Titan. Your hunter "punches" things too. He has a knife though. use the one with the best weapons.

Pay attention to your weapons. Use cover.

Anonymous Clint #47/#73 August 05, 2015 1:37 PM  

@136 "I could see how that would be true for some, but it is not true for all of us."

I found it to be the case for virtually all of my professors... poly sci being the one exception.. ironic as hell too.


Again, as much as I want to protest, I realize I am an exception to the rule here. In English Depts. yeah, most of my colleagues don't care about what YOU think. They are too busy trying to indoctrinate you with Marxism. Morons.
Every once in awhile, you get a good one, like me (if I do say so myself). We like it when you think for yourself, and help you learn to use sources appropriately, etc. I would suggest, if you are a student, find those good ones and take them for as many classes as you can.
But yeah, most of the college profs are actively seeking to "make little Democrats out of them" as I once heard another prof say. And yes, that is a direct quote.

Anonymous Porky August 05, 2015 1:39 PM  

crucible is brutal. I try to tell people to stay away from it until they are level 20 but few people take that advice.

I was a 27, iirc.

Almost always finished in the bottom. Always seemed like I'd have to empty a mag into a guy at which point he'd turn around and waste me with a single shot.

Frustrating. Still fun though.

Blogger Booch Paradise August 05, 2015 1:42 PM  

Meh, if we are going to do generational pissing contests, good gen-xers pretty much = cuckservatives. Good millennials = gamergate. Given how much gen-x doesn't care, this shouldn't be a surprise.

Blogger Brad Andrews August 05, 2015 1:43 PM  

Titan. The big guy is a Titan. Your hunter "punches" things too. He has a knife though. use the one with the best weapons.

Pay attention to your weapons. Use cover.


That is what I try to do, but I have quite a bit of learning of course. I was picking things off well the last time and ran out of ammo. Ran in to grab some, lost track of where I was and died.

Who is the best character to take first to 20, knowing I may find things I can pass down to a second one? I doubt I would run more than 2 here, possibly just 1. Are any "easier"? What about specializations?

Blogger Nate August 05, 2015 1:43 PM  

"Any other starter tips? Or just keep working at that part until I figure it out?"

also... as you complete the mission you will walk right by a Gold Chest... should be sitting on a desk to your left. It will have some excellent goodies for you.

Blogger Brad Andrews August 05, 2015 1:48 PM  

Did I miss any other chests or is that the first one?

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Blogger Mo August 05, 2015 1:49 PM  

There are actually some bright Millenials who work at my firm, but they just don't have that self-starting spark - they'll do what their told to do (mostly) but no more. If I tell them to do A to get to B, they can't think for themselves what might get them to C.

As for Gen Xers - I remember being called the "slacker generation" in the 90s -- grunge, Reality Bites, etc. Remember that? Then we grew up, hit our stride, built cool things, made a ton of money, lost a bunch of it and are trying to make it again before it all falls apart thanks to those asshole Boomers.

So maybe there's hope for these Millenials yet - if they could get their heads out of their asses, grow the eff up, quit their whining and DO SOMETHING.

Blogger Nate August 05, 2015 1:53 PM  

"Who is the best character to take first to 20, knowing I may find things I can pass down to a second one? "

it really comes down to style of play. You can be extremely successful with all of them. once it clicks you won't have trouble with that mission any more. The other missions will be challenging... you'll die a few times here and there but you will get through it. the good news is... when you take a break or rage quit.. it picks up close to where you left off. you don't start all over at the beginning of the mission.

Blogger Danby August 05, 2015 1:53 PM  

I am assuming this bubble of highly paid idiots is going to get purged across the board at all companies eventually. I am hoping I don't get confused for one of these idiots though.

Sorry, that's a feature, not a bug. Read Dilbert for a deeper view of this problem, and, as Scott Adams puts it "Management is Nature's way of removing idiots from the flow of useful work."
The people who suck up the best, or just suck, literally, IYKWIMAITYD, are the ones who get promoted. Since sucking up bears a negative relationship to competence, the competent people are left behind to do the work.

Which means that in order to move up, competent people usually have to move over, to another group at the same company, or to another employer altogether. This is so common in IT that it has become standard career advice. One woman I worked with had moved from bookkeeping into Unix administration, by dint of hard work and great natural talent. But the company was not in great financial shape and wouldn't give her a raise. After 5 years she was still making $22/hour. She finally got fed up, and moved to another company as director starting at almost $100K/yr. So it is possible to get there, but usually not at the same place.

Anonymous WaterBoy August 05, 2015 1:54 PM  

Brad Andrews @128 : "I was running out and ran in to pick up a bunch of drops, only to get confused where I was and die."

Buy ammo synthesis packs from the weaponsmith in the tower for your most powerful/frequently used weapons. If you run out of ammo for those, you have to revert to your other ones and deplete them before the respawn will give you more. You can only use the synthesizer once every five minutes, but it may be enough to finish the story/mission on a single recharge.

You can also hook up with other players and do it as a group if it proves to be too difficult as a single player.

Blogger Brad Andrews August 05, 2015 1:55 PM  

when you take a break or rage quit

How do you know me that well?

Blogger VD August 05, 2015 1:55 PM  

But Obvious is so darn cute, some folks just can't resist throwin' him a Scooby snack once in a while.

Of course, their comments get spammed, which means some of their future comments will be spammed and I will laugh when I read their subsequent emails wondering why their comments aren't appearing.

And ignore them.

Blogger Brad Andrews August 05, 2015 1:57 PM  

I prefer to sit back and pick things off. I am not sure that it is a valuable strategy in this game though. Should I push that and just focus on the hunter? I would have to improve my targeting skills, but that is probably easier than the situational awareness needed for jumping right into the mix.

Blogger Nate August 05, 2015 2:00 PM  

"You and others aren't allowed to discuss things with me anyway. :)"

All you have to do is engage in intellectually honest discussion. Make a point in a civil manner.. and accept that it will be challenged and be able and willing to civilly back it up with more than snark.

its not hard mate. Its really not.

If you want to take issue with our criticism of the millennials in some way other rhetoric go for it. If you can't... that should tell you something.

You should also see that there is plenty of advice given to them as well... and I suspect even you would grant that learning to work hard is never a bad thing.

Blogger Nate August 05, 2015 2:07 PM  

"I prefer to sit back and pick things off. I am not sure that it is a valuable strategy in this game though."

its perfect for this game. just remember patience. Pick things off and always come back to hitting the big guy. He won't heal. so keep hitting him. Head shots do way more damage. so thin the little guys out.. and pop him in the head when you get the chance.

Blogger Nate August 05, 2015 2:08 PM  

"Of course, their comments get spammed, which means some of their future comments will be spammed and I will laugh when I read their subsequent emails wondering why their comments aren't appearing. "

it is hilarious how deeply wounded some folks get when their comment disappears.

OpenID basementhomebrewer August 05, 2015 2:10 PM  

@ 150 I figured out the changing jobs to get paid game. I am a CPA but working in IT partly for that reason. A couple of the guys working at the company I started at are making ~25% less than I am at this point.

Blogger Nate August 05, 2015 2:10 PM  

"Good millennials = gamergate. Given how much gen-x doesn't care, this shouldn't be a surprise. "

/facepalm

Blogger Rabbi B August 05, 2015 2:13 PM  

"it is hilarious how deeply wounded some folks get when their comment disappears."

It's latently anti-Semitic every time my comment disappears . . . I know it, deep, deep, down, I just know it to be true . . .

Blogger Cail Corishev August 05, 2015 2:14 PM  

Booch, I'm sure there are cuckservative X-ers, but your reasoning makes no sense. Cuckservatives are constantly telling you how much they care about everything. They care so much it makes them cry sometimes.

Blogger ScuzzaMan August 05, 2015 2:18 PM  

Echoing comments by others: becoming a Christian will make you middle class. (bear with me, we got a ways to go yet)

If it doesn't make you middle class, you're not doing it right.

What are THE definitive characteristics of the middle class?

- work hard
- honest
- give value in return for value received
- get married, stay married
- educated (and sometimes schooled as well, cf Mark Twain)
- own a home
- raise your own kids (and any others that happen by)
- aspire to honestly obtained success, iow to leave the world better than they found it for the people they leave it to.

As others have noted, reading the Bible, listening to the Word and the Spirit, will teach you these things.

By way of major contrast the marxists in the government-run school system taught us to despise the middle class. Maybe they taught you that, too? Now why would that be?

Maybe there really is some malign character loose in this world who wants to destroy you? Who wants to convince you that all these things, which are good for you, are to be despised and all the things that are bad for you (being lazy, feckless, unreliable, dishonest, corrupt, barbarous, self-centred) are to be desired?

Hmmm, how would such a person go about fooling an entire generation?

God ahead, lady, Just take a little bite of that shiny sweet fruit. One bite cant kill ya, huh?

There's a reason why there is a biblical prayer that says "don't make me poor so that I steal, and don't make me rich so that I think I'm all that."

In the last 500 years, you only had to do 3 things to have a better standard of living than your parents:

1. Get married, stay married
2. Own your own home
3. never leave a job unless it is for another job

Who does these things? Emulate them.

Who despises these things? Flee from them. They do not have your interests at heart.

Blogger Cail Corishev August 05, 2015 2:18 PM  

it is hilarious how deeply wounded some folks get when their comment disappears.

How do they know? Someone could be deleting all my comments a couple hours after I post them, and I'd never know it.

Blogger Rabbi B August 05, 2015 2:23 PM  

"How do they know?"

My commeeeeent .... my preciousssssssss . . . we hates him we do . . . .

Blogger ScuzzaMan August 05, 2015 2:28 PM  

Oh, and you might notice there is a strong thread that ties all those last three points together.

They all require lifelong commitments.

Just like being a Christian.

(I used to wonder why my comments get deleted occasionally as there *seemed* no rhyme or reason to it. I couldn't see the pattern. I eventually figured it was because I was troll feeding. And if I am wrong and Vox or Matthew has taken a special dislike to my opinions, well, who gives a fuck? Why would I want to know, or care?)

Blogger Danby August 05, 2015 2:30 PM  

The Dark Lord turned away from his study of the blasphemous scrolls. Something in the slave pits had disturbed the Aether. Silently, he rose from his throne of skulls, the Cape of Dialectic rustling with the movement.He went to the balcony.
There was something eerie about it, automatthew thought, as if he could walk without apparent motion of his limbs, almost drifting. Realizing he had let his attention drift, automatthew turned his attention back to the task at had, building an intricate mock-up of the Dark Lord's latest agony engine, thoughts of Malwin pushed away almost quickly enough.

"Henchman" The word seemed to come not form the striking figure silhouetted in the window, but from the darkness of the book-lined upper reaches of the room. "There seems to be a disturbance."

Automatthew leapt to his feet. Looking out over the courtyard, he saw the Vile, Faceless Minions were gossiping, fighting over gun calibers, relaying game strategy. "Same as any other day, Dark Lord. VFMs being vile."
"Out on the edge, to the South, it seems a troll has failed to learn."
Automatthew could strained his eyes. Yes, there in the Fouled Pit of Generations, there was a ruckus. A troll, laughable in his stupidity and self-regard, was snarking and shrieking. Most of the VFMs were smart enough to have simply ignored the beast-like thing. Some, however, were trying to engage it. Again.
Automatthew sighed. "Rifle or artillery round, Dark Lord?"
"I think a little area of effect might be best. Not too much. We don't want to lose any minions, but sometimes you have to review the lessons for them. They forget."
"Yes, Lord" Automatthew readied the Bofurs gun.
16 rounds later, the troll had simply disappeared. The minions standing too near were screaming in pain and frustration. Automatthew could make out the words, even so high above the crowd. "Just when I had him struggling in the crushing grip of reason!"
Even though he dared not look at the Dark Lord's face, automatthew thought he could sense a smile in the Dark lord's voice. "That lesson should be sufficient for now."

Blogger Rabbi B August 05, 2015 2:33 PM  

"Why would I want to know, or care?"

'Cuz, obviously it means you're not liked, and that is unforgivable.

Blogger Booch Paradise August 05, 2015 2:41 PM  

@161. I may be using cuckservative differently. I view the defining thing about a cuckservative to not be fear of being called a racist, but being politically cucked. And most X-ers I know are not cucked because they are afraid of being called racist, it's because they simply are ignorant of the facts. For example most of the X-ers I'm facebook friends with who are political and conservative will post negative stuff about Obama, and link to articles by Allen West.

They aren't afraid of being called racist. They just get all their news from Fox or talk radio, and then think that they are informed. They have no idea the extent to which Allen West betrayed the Tea Party movement.

Blogger Danby August 05, 2015 2:49 PM  

No, it's Boomers that are cuckservatives. We really do have a difficult time with even reasonable HBD thoughts, let alone statements. We were trained in anti-racism before anti-racism became an obvious fraud.
Look at media and political cuckservatives, you will see that most of them, and the most obnoxious of them, are Boomers.

Blogger ScuzzaMan August 05, 2015 2:49 PM  

"Well, I feel so blue ..., somebody done bulldozed the whorehouse down ..."

Rabbi, i'm an opinionated arsehole. I know it. I don't expect anyone to like me. I just occasionally make sense so I am sometimes worth listening to.

Sometimes.

Anonymous Martin August 05, 2015 2:51 PM  

"Seriously you think this is new? You think you're the first people do deal with this?"

No.

So what you're saying is be a good little drone and never complain.

Blogger Feather Blade August 05, 2015 2:53 PM  

@58 "But I worked really hard on that assignment."

The Labor Theory of Value, academic edition.

it is very difficult to not say "It doesn't matter how hard you worked on it if it's wrong."

Anonymous Michael Maier August 05, 2015 3:03 PM  

To be fair, it is not easy to remember welche Retarden sind verbotten.

Blogger rycamor August 05, 2015 3:05 PM  

@171... "So what you're saying is be a good little drone and never complain."

This is how every argument with a blue-pill Millennial ends up. Wah wah wah...

Blogger Booch Paradise August 05, 2015 3:09 PM  

It's also certainly true of boomers. But when it comes to finding people who would be open to ideas promoted by people like VD, Heartiste, Roosh, etc, for me it's almost entirely millennials.

Blogger Rabbi B August 05, 2015 3:13 PM  

"Rabbi, i'm an opinionated arsehole. I know it."

So, what's not to love?

I think people forget that we're all guests here and the gracious Dark Lord can nuke whomever he want whenever he wants. His house, his rules. Not real hard.

Oh wait . . . I just remembered . . .

"If your comment gets deleted, deal with it. Don't try to argue with me about it, I'm truly not interested . . .More than one individual has managed to get himself banned by refusing to accept the reality that his precious comment was seen to be of no value here and deleted."

Anonymous Athor Pel August 05, 2015 3:16 PM  

"101. Nate August 05, 2015 12:28 PM
"I know that seems really ridiculous, but hard work to you and to me may mean different things. "
...
Now dig a hole. It needs to be as deep as the shovel is tall... "



Be careful of the sides falling in. You can get yourself buried or knocked down and pinned real quick if you're not careful. Which means the sides of this hole should not be perfectly vertical. Slope them. And if you can't slope them because of space then shore them up.

As for the original question of what is hard work I got a story. Not totally about hard work but more about diligence.

When I was a teenager my Dad would make me work for him on saturdays during school and any time during the summer. He'd grab my ankle and pull me out of bed onto the floor to wake me up.

He would drop me off at a jobsite and show back up for lunch and to pick me up to go home. I always worked alone. The work was jobsite cleanup of new home construction, inside and outside. I'd do things like picking up construction trash like scrap lumber, shingle pieces, brick fragments, insulation, & wire and sometimes I'd do land clearing like chopping out undergrowth.

I also prepped the concrete slab floor to prepare for the next set of finish contractors like the carpet men. This involved scraping and sweeping the dropped sheet rock spackling and mortar from the brick work. That stuff stuck fiercely to that concrete floor. To scrape I'd use one of the scrap bricks because that's what I had. The sweeping produced A LOT of dust. I'd blow white boogers for days afterward even if I used a mask.

Most days were ok, hot but ok. Some days sucked. Imagine 95 degrees F, 70% to 90% humidity and no wind while working in dust clouds like thick fog. Then there was the ditch I cleared that had poison oak in it and I didn't know it. I got it all over me. Yeah, I hated it.

But all that isn't the point of the story. It was something I realized only years later, many years.

A few years ago I remembered something my Dad had said. In my twenties he had told me that there were several full time employees that wanted to do the work I was doing those summers and saturdays. Then in my mid-forties it occured to me to ask him why he had me do the work instead of giving it to those other guys that wanted it.

He said, "Because you'd do it."
I said, "What? What do you mean? They would take too long or just do a half assed job or not at all?"
He said, "Yes."
I said, "Well, don't that beat all."

So remember, the next time God wants you to do something and he's not telling you why, this is likely why. Because you'll do it, even if you hate it.




"92. zen0 August 05, 2015 11:57 AM
...
That's interesting. How were X'ers spared the subtle influence of the Jewish dogma of tikkun olam (repairing the world). Was there a lull in the propaganda war?"



Because X'ers got to live in a world different than the one we live in now.

The changes happened too fast for us not to notice.

Blogger Cail Corishev August 05, 2015 3:29 PM  

Wah wah wah...

M: I'm starting to get a sneaking suspicion that life isn't fair.
X: Never has been. Don't waste time complaining about it; just get out there and live your life.
M: Oh, so you're saying I should just accept it and do as I'm told and never try to make things better?
X: Get outta my face, punk.

Anonymous Porky August 05, 2015 3:29 PM  

Now dig a hole. It needs to be as deep as the shovel is tall...

My father once gave me similar advice. I wrote him to tell him I was in a deep depression and he wrote me back: "Dig a hole. 12" deep, long, and straight. Don't stop until you can't lift your arms. When you're done you will not be depressed anymore."

It worked. And I got my sprinkler system put in.

Blogger Russell Widhalm August 05, 2015 3:31 PM  

"You only get to think for yourself when you are getting a masters or doctorate. You have to appeal to authority before then. (His words, not mine)"

And he was feeding you bullshit. The higher you go on the degree ladder, the LESS you are allowed to think for yourself. Because you have to kiss ass and follow the orthodoxy get the degree. And then you have to kiss ass and follow the orthodoxy to get published so you don't perish. And by the time you have tenure, you've forgotten how to think for yourself.

Ah, academia.

Blogger Kirk Parker August 05, 2015 3:33 PM  

Jack @ 25:

"True. You will hate your [Unity] job, but you can get one."

Go on; say more.

Blogger Rabbi B August 05, 2015 3:34 PM  

"Now dig a hole. It needs to be as deep as the shovel is tall..."

Some inspiration!

Blogger VD August 05, 2015 3:35 PM  

So what you're saying is be a good little drone and never complain.

You left out "it seems like".

You're absolutely right. You're doomed. You will never succeed. Go back to Mommy's basement and stay there.

Blogger Quadko August 05, 2015 3:54 PM  

Curtis @132: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sz0o9clVQu8
Millennials in the Workplace Training Video Humor

Anonymous Mike M. August 05, 2015 3:55 PM  

@177 My father had me working with him on a Coca-Cola truck through my high school summers. Mostly to motivate me to get an education. Those cases of glass-bottled 16-ounce drinks were HEAVY.

Anonymous Aeoli Pera August 05, 2015 4:03 PM  

My father once gave me similar advice. I wrote him to tell him I was in a deep depression and he wrote me back: "Dig a hole. 12" deep, long, and straight. Don't stop until you can't lift your arms. When you're done you will not be depressed anymore."

Excellent advice. Also cures insomnia, though I personally prefer long walks.

Blogger Quadko August 05, 2015 4:13 PM  

@171 So what you're saying is be a good little drone and never complain.

That's how the successful people did it. They're not impressed by whiners who won't. Besides, they know it's miserable, and that's the point. "Suck it up and get it done" is the only advice you'll get. Do the work or get out of the game. Whiners get culled.

Blogger rycamor August 05, 2015 4:15 PM  

182. Rabbi B August 05, 2015 3:34 PM

"Now dig a hole. It needs to be as deep as the shovel is tall..."

Some inspiration!


To my dying day I will never forget my hardest day of work. 18 years old, carrying 100-lb bags of sand for 12 hours in the Miami summer to fill a shaft for an elevator piston. One other young guy working his ass off with me, while a dozen other workers, mechanics and engineers lounged around the hole waiting for us to fill it so they could set the shaft. "Atta boy... keep it up! Don't tell me you're TIRED, kid. It's not even lunchtime yet.", Later on, glancing at watch "You boys better get your ass in gear. Boss needs this done today!"

Suck.it.up.

Blogger Nate August 05, 2015 4:29 PM  

What if there is some Ricardo here in the mils?

Bear with me...

1) They've been told they are super special and super awesome and super smart all their lives.

2) They believe all those things.

3) They've been told work should be fun.

4) They are observed to shy from anything that is difficult for them.

One wonders if perhaps.. sense they know they are already brilliant and special.. they feel there is something out there they are already super good at... and therefore if they have to work at something... it isn't the right thing for them to be doing. What they were MEANT to do... will come easy and will be fun.

And to do anything else... is a waste of their amazing specialness.

Perhaps its like the modern female take on relationships.

When The Right Man comes along... its just supposed to be super easy and fun all the time. And if its not super easy and fun all the time.. then its not The Right Man... so NEXT!

Women die single.

Mils die useless.

Thoughts?

Blogger Eraser August 05, 2015 4:34 PM  

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Blogger Eraser August 05, 2015 4:35 PM  

You guys had it easy. My dad had me carrying logs in the snow. Against the wind. And uphill both ways.

But seriously, I think the world has become genuinely harder in the last 30 years. It's tempting to think of the younger generation as coddled, but they have also been cheated out of some things. What kids get told these days, that there are no values and you should just do what you like, sounds nice at first. Eventually it becomes scary and can turn into nihilism, as they realize they have no clue how the world works. Growing up without rules is not actually easy, nor comfortable.

Blogger maniacprovost August 05, 2015 4:37 PM  

I think we should quit complaining about cuckservatives giving our nation to illegal immigrant rapists, suck it up, and get to work. I mean, your employer may be supporting a pro-amnesty PAC, but that's no reason not to do your job.

OpenID vfm360 August 05, 2015 4:39 PM  

Oh look, it is the once-a-month crotchety old man thread. Somebody tell me to get off their lawn.

Blogger Nate August 05, 2015 4:43 PM  

"I think we should quit complaining about cuckservatives giving our nation to illegal immigrant rapists, suck it up, and get to work. I mean, your employer may be supporting a pro-amnesty PAC, but that's no reason not to do your job."



You can do your job AND call a liar and liar.

Blogger Danby August 05, 2015 4:48 PM  

@193 vfm360
The problem with that is that people here tend to tell you to get off their lawn in .30-06 or 5.56.

And get off my danged lawn!

Blogger Eraser August 05, 2015 4:49 PM  

@189:
That makes a lot of sense. They are terribly afraid of failure, because if they fail they won't be super special anymore like they've been told. So they shy away from anything that carries a risk of failure. Thus they never learn. And they are not able to process criticism on some level, because they've been told their entire lives that judging is wrong.

Blogger Booch Paradise August 05, 2015 4:57 PM  

You guys are describing SJWs. They were the ones that actually believed you when you gave them participation trophies. But they are not the majority of millennials. If they were gamergate wouldn't have happened.

Blogger automatthew August 05, 2015 4:59 PM  

Danby @166,

I'd lay anti-personnel mines, but Blogger doesn't support it.

Blogger bob k. mando August 05, 2015 5:16 PM  

96. Porky August 05, 2015 12:05 PM
Boomer's Colonel Sanders was a slim, genteel southerner with a secret recipe for chicken.



bzzzzzt.

the Colonel has never been "slim" in advertising, he just wasn't corpulent like this latest clown. he's always had jowls.

https://www.google.com/search?q=colonel+sanders&biw=1131&bih=710&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&sqi=2&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAWoVChMIttz5oe6SxwIVEReSCh0PIAZ3

i would agree though; the disposal of the 'genteel southerner' ( born in Indiana ) for this current goofball is what really grates.


no, i take that back. the crap KFC serves is what really grates. Popeyes forever.

Blogger Danby August 05, 2015 5:33 PM  

Pope yes is so much better than KFS. Not nearly as greasy, and the red beans and rice is great.

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