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Monday, August 17, 2015

Thus spake the Prophet of Doom

John Derbyshire observes the culture from the conservative dustbin:
Our culture has continued to slide giggling into the pit. It is now thirty years since you last heard anyone hum a tune from a current popular song. Concerts of serious music rarely include anything less than half a century old. Very few of us could name a living painter or architect. Entire years pass when no American outside the academy spontaneously quotes a line of verse written by any American poet younger than Elizabeth Bishop (b. 1911), or a British poet younger than Philip Larkin (b. 1922). The middlebrow novel is slipping into extinction. Movies are an extension of the comic-book industry; only TV drama shows occasional flashes of brilliance. The churches are branch offices of Globalist Multiculturalism, Inc.: the Episcopal church in my sleepy, 360-year-old Long Island town advertises Misa en Español.

Forbidden by Supreme Court decree to test job applicants for ability, employers demand college degrees as proxies, obliging parents either to beggar themselves or to see their children loaded with debt after four prime young-adult years learning nothing much. The colleges themselves are hotbeds of Cultural Marxism, padding out their prospectuses with intellectually worthless Grievance Studies courses, awarding degrees to illiterate black athletes, and writhing in frenzies of agonized self-abasement when someone is seen wearing a hood on campus.Police and Fire Departments, to avoid diversity lawsuits, allow black female cadets to walk through their test fitness runs. Other working- and lower-middle-class employments are sold off to low-bidding H-1B visa holders or illegal aliens. Homosexuals can pretend to be “married,” and if you peaceably express disapproval you will be hounded from your job. Submarine crews are co-ed.

Has there been any push-back from the conservative movement against all this? Not so as you’d notice. It is difficult to name anything that the conservative movement has conserved … although to be sure, the English language is still spoken, or at least understood, in most precincts.
It sounds bad. It is bad. But it's not over. We started with 11. We have a lot more than that now. These are not merely exciting times, they are fun times. We can shoot in literally any direction without fear of hitting a friendly.

Yeah, we're outnumbered. So the fuck what? We aren't outgunned.

As far as conservativism's dustbin goes, who cares? Conservatives are worthless. They're failures. They've conserved nothing. Now it's our time.

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Blogger Sgt Polite August 17, 2015 1:18 PM  

The good thing about being near the bottom is that we get to rebuild America in our vision.

Blogger Rabbi B August 17, 2015 1:21 PM  

"Yeah, we're outnumbered. So the fuck what? We aren't outgunned."

I hear that a well-aimed slingshot can be wielded with great effect when necessary.

Anonymous Alexander, #10 August 17, 2015 1:24 PM  

With this many target of opportunity, anyone willing to jump in a cockpit can become an Ace!

The only things Conservatives have succeeded at conserving is whatever new serving of bullshit the left has just served up. The role of the Conservative is not to maintain an unchangeable set of principles, but to slow down the left just enough that the population doesn't blow up the whole thing.

Judged on its results, the dustbin is a mercy. It deserves the lamppost.

Anonymous Krul August 17, 2015 1:28 PM  

"Yeah, we're outnumbered. So the fuck what? We aren't outgunned."

"December 22, 1944

To the German Commander,

N U T S !

The American Commander"


-Brigadier General McAulliffe

Blogger ajw308 (#98) August 17, 2015 1:29 PM  

Yeah, we're outnumbered. So the fuck what? We aren't outgunned.
We aren't outmanned either.

Blogger ajw308 (#98) August 17, 2015 1:31 PM  

@4 McAulliffe's original response was "Fucking nuts!" It's been sanitized for the public consumption. I don't think he cared.

Blogger El Borak August 17, 2015 1:32 PM  

Dragging one's heels has never been a winning strategy at anything. It doesn't work any better in politics than it does in sled dog races, and for pretty much the same reason.

"These are not merely exciting times, they are fun times."

Exactly right.

Anonymous MrGreenMan August 17, 2015 1:32 PM  

I don't play a lot of video games - I played Wasteland, and I played Warlords, and I played Civilization and Syndicate, back when there was an Apple II, an SE/30, and a 486DX2, respectively - but I don't have time for games anymore.

However, I understand the cultural significance of GamerGate, and I support the downtrodden in this: After having been abused, mocked, and spoken down to by people with cultural anthropology and journalism degrees, after having been called basement dwellers and horrible sexists and unemployable losers -- GamerGate put up the middle finger and said - don't expect us to consume your bilge if you keep treating us like garbage.

GamerGate has done more in the spirit of populist conservatism - the leave-me-the-hell-alone, if-I-let-you-live-why-won't-you-let-me type of conservatism - than anything since maybe the Rush Limbaugh-led talk radio revolution (and you have to include Mark Scott in there to get some real results).

America used to be OK with whatever your freak flag was - provided you just did it quietly and left everybody alone. Now, if you're not the right kind of freak, you are unacceptable to the marxists who control too many of the cultural gateways.

OpenID corvinus333 August 17, 2015 1:34 PM  

The only things Conservatives have succeeded at conserving is whatever new serving of bullshit the left has just served up. The role of the Conservative is not to maintain an unchangeable set of principles, but to slow down the left just enough that the population doesn't blow up the whole thing.

@Alexander ,10
To anyone into physics, conservatism is merely the friction against progtardery.

Blogger JartStar August 17, 2015 1:35 PM  

Right own! The studies are showing that Millennials as a group are turning out to be 20% Christian. Sound bad that 80% aren't? The research also shows they are a very committed and dedicated 20%. One if five very dedicated Christians in a generation? I like those odds.

Blogger Daniel August 17, 2015 1:38 PM  

Besides...Chicago Rules. Being outnumbered matters less for the side that recognizes that its job is not to die nobly but is to make the other guys die for their beliefs.

Anonymous Huckleberry August 17, 2015 1:40 PM  

they are fun times

Of course.
The shear terror of unadulterated free fall is exhilarating.

Blogger Daniel August 17, 2015 1:41 PM  

SJW epitaph: Died for the Lie.

So brave.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan August 17, 2015 1:42 PM  

#11 and I would bet that 20% is far higher in IQ and ambition than the 80%.

The establishment has allowed one gigantic error in its politics, it has allowed identity politics into the tent just as the FED Bank will lose control. If a SJW of some intelligence were asked specifically to flesh out the new identity politics it would suspiciously sound like Carleton Coon from a parallel universe. I cannot honestly believe the left would be so stupid, now imagine the cuckservatives such as George Will explaining the new, new political order to the new barbarians (us).

Anonymous Krul August 17, 2015 1:42 PM  

@6 Really? Do you have a source?

It certainly wouldn't surprise me. Back in high school our history book quoted Patton's famous report to Eisenhower after he took Paris as "Today I spat in the Seine". The actual report, I later found out, said "Today I pissed in the Seine". I remember that because it pissed me off that the textbook authors and teachers would lie like that, as though profanity were somehow worse than lying.

Blogger Daniel August 17, 2015 1:45 PM  

Derbyshire is an atheist (the proper kind: honestly sad about it) so it is no surprise he can't see the hope, and likely wouldn't care much for it if he did. He has fallen for the Mule and is convinced his defeatist sentiments are reality.

Blogger Aquila Aquilonis Fulminata August 17, 2015 1:47 PM  

If we aren't conservatives, what are we?

Blogger VD August 17, 2015 1:48 PM  

If we aren't conservatives, what are we?

Revolutionaries.

Blogger Rabbi B August 17, 2015 1:50 PM  

" . . . so it is no surprise he can't see the hope, and likely wouldn't care much for it if he did."

Yep. you have to read the entire story . . .especially the last few chapters. It ends well. Victory is assured and we are surrounded by a great cloud of witnesses are we not?

(Hebrews 11-12) . . .

Therefore, since we are surrounded by such a great cloud of witnesses, let us throw off everything that hinders and the sin that so easily entangles. And let us run with perseverance the race marked out for us, fixing our eyes on Jesus, the pioneer and perfecter of faith.

For the joy set before him he endured the cross, scorning its shame, and sat down at the right hand of the throne of God. Consider him who endured such opposition from sinners, so that you will not grow weary and lose heart.

Blogger El Borak August 17, 2015 1:52 PM  

The shear terror of unadulterated free fall is exhilarating.

Hey, man, people pay a lot of money for that. Idiots, to be sure, but still.

Blogger Groot August 17, 2015 1:53 PM  

Derbyshire is great, but he's interesting. Vox Popoli is important not only for the passion, but for the ideas. There are some concepts that we discuss, but inchoately. Derbyshire is a white guy married to an Oriental, with half-Oriental kids. He warns them to beware the black crowds.

There are discussions going on, such as excellent ones at The Right Stuff, about concepts such as anti-anti-White, but you see how awkward that is. And aren't smart, literate, hard-working half-Asians pitching in to build the civilization part of us?

Is there a meme I'm missing that pithily delivers the concept of "Stop being racist at me because I'm white, but that guy is obviously black"?

Anonymous George of the Jungle August 17, 2015 1:58 PM  

As a long-time reader and sometimes half-assed contributor, I am at a loss as to what the appropriate label should be. I must admit I detest anything having to do with generational differences. And in threads past I seem to recall that 'libertarians' doesn't quite fill the bill. So, what are we (and please provide something relatively descriptive that I could use in a reasonable conversation).... thx

Anonymous Jim Milo August 17, 2015 2:01 PM  

OT: SJW entryists in Amazon HR are being noticed by Bezos:

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/08/16/technology/inside-amazon-wrestling-big-ideas-in-a-bruising-workplace.html

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/08/17/jeff_bezos_amazon_workplace_bullying_response/

Blogger JCclimber August 17, 2015 2:03 PM  

Tempted after 15 years absence from the Repukians political party to reregister with them, just to vote in the primary for Trump.
Just to see the neocons experience head explosions. If he is still in the race by the time California is voting, I'll probably do that.

It is fun to tell my conservative family that Conservatives are losers. They are usually fighting to restore values that would have been considered moderate 10 years ago, liberal 25 years ago, and Marxist 40 years ago.

Blogger Michelle *VFM #311* August 17, 2015 2:05 PM  

I like what Ann Barnhardt said about it: counter revolutionaries. The revolution already happened. We are going to put things to right. But better.

Anonymous Porky August 17, 2015 2:13 PM  

If we aren't conservatives, what are we?

The Christian Counterculture. Same as it was 2000 years ago.

Anonymous RedJack #22 August 17, 2015 2:18 PM  

I am what I am. The label doesn't matter.

The most convenient one is barbarian. I am at odds with what this civilization calls polite society. I believe that babies shouldn't be chopped up and sold to the highest bidder, that a man has a right to the fruits of his labor, and if you don't work, you don't eat. All are heresies here.

So, I am the barbarian. Which, if you follow history, is the one left standing.

Blogger Cataline Sergius August 17, 2015 2:21 PM  

Has there been any push-back from the conservative movement against all this? Not so as you’d notice.

If you are looking at the torpid top, god no. If you looking at the bottom, there is nothing but rage and rebellion.

Blogger dc.sunsets August 17, 2015 2:21 PM  

It is fun, in a train-wreck sort of way, to watch the Clowns double, triple and quadruple-down on the center ring's farce here as their tent begins to ignite like the Hindenburg.

PS: I recall as recently as perhaps 30 years ago that someone telling a somewhat boorish joke about women, gays or blacks at work was just sort of ignored, and if the joke was side-splittingly funny it swept the workplace. When did that turn into job-suicide? And what will it look like when it stops being so?

Blogger dc.sunsets August 17, 2015 2:25 PM  

nothing but rage and rebellion

The reservoir is full.
The temperature is high and rising, and bubbles begin to form.
The dam holding it back is crisscrossed with spidery cracks.
Liquid is beginning to dribble across its face.
Fools go about their business in the valley below, secure in their delusions that tomorrow is certain to be the same as today.

Anonymous GreyS August 17, 2015 2:26 PM  

the Episcopal church in my sleepy, 360-year-old Long Island town advertises Misa en Español.

Derb was probably the only one at NR back in those days openly saying anything about immigration. The Repubs were so fake and weak on the issue. I blame them more than the dirty Dems.

I have no problem with mass or services not in English- The responsibility of any church is to serve who walks through their doors.

Blogger Rabbi B August 17, 2015 2:29 PM  

"Fools go about their business in the valley below, secure in their delusions that tomorrow is certain to be the same as today."

No doubt . . .

Above all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires. They will say, “Where is this ‘coming’ he promised? Ever since our ancestors died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation.”

But they deliberately forget that long ago by God’s word the heavens came into being and the earth was formed out of water and by water. By these waters also the world of that time was deluged and destroyed. By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly.

But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.

But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything done in it will be laid bare.

Since everything will be destroyed in this way, what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to live holy and godly lives as you look forward to the day of God and speed its coming. That day will bring about the destruction of the heavens by fire, and the elements will melt in the heat. But in keeping with his promise we are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth, where righteousness dwells.

So then, dear friends, since you are looking forward to this, make every effort to be found spotless, blameless and at peace with him.

(cf. II Peter 3)

Blogger Nate August 17, 2015 2:30 PM  

Jeez derb... Hyperbole much?

Blogger El Borak August 17, 2015 2:36 PM  

They are usually fighting to restore values that would have been considered moderate 10 years ago, liberal 25 years ago, and Marxist 40 years ago.

It is the goal of the modern conservative to conserve the victories of yesterday's liberals. You will not find a conservative today who would be willing to conserve 1920, much less 1850 or 1760. They all want to conserve 1970, just as their parents wanted to conserve 1950. I really get the feeling that they just want the world to regain the magic it held when they were kids without realizing that it wasn't the world that was magic, but childhood.

Anonymous grey enlightenment August 17, 2015 2:37 PM  

Forbidden by Supreme Court decree to test job applicants for ability, employers demand college degrees as proxies, obliging parents either to beggar themselves or to see their children loaded with debt after four prime young-adult years learning nothing much.

The left whines about student loan debt, lack of hiring, and college being too expensive, but oppose good solutions on the grounds of political correctness and egalitarianism. Instead, blame the colleges, the government, businesses and loan companies - everyone but themselves for causing the problem in the first place. The old version of the SAT, as well as IQ tests, is a much better predictor of success than a grade-inflated GPA in crappo studies Employers would gladly choose the former over the later, but since they can't in many instances for fear of disparate impact litigation, we're stuck with credentialism and more student loan debt. Way to go, libs.

Anonymous ThirdMonkey VFM #337 August 17, 2015 2:39 PM  

And he told this parable: “A man had a fig tree planted in his vineyard, and he came seeking fruit on it and found none. And he said to the vinedresser, ‘Look, for three years now I have come seeking fruit on this fig tree, and I find none. Cut it down. Why should it use up the ground?’ And he answered him, ‘Sir, let it alone this year also, until I dig around it and put on manure. Then if it should bear fruit next year, well and good; but if not, you can cut it down.’”

What this generation needs is one more year of Shit. If it works, great, if not, then something else will grow in place of the dead tree.

We are The Shit.

And We Don't Care.

Anonymous Donn #0114 August 17, 2015 2:40 PM  

I can't really describe myself as 'conservative' except as short hand. I am really a reactionary and not in the neo-reactionary sense. We've conserved nothing except the gains that the marxists make.

We need to push back. Heller I think is our only victory and that is still being fought.

Blogger Updated/links LP999/S.I.G. August 17, 2015 2:41 PM  

I once paid top dollar for the Charlotte symphony and even that was littered with modernity.

Post American times are survivable but like the zero hedge (.com) headline goes...

Here is to the future and to us whom the Lord grants us to be present and participate, never giving up.

Blogger Student in Blue August 17, 2015 2:41 PM  

I have no problem with mass or services not in English- The responsibility of any church is to serve who walks through their doors.

The unspoken question, however, is why are there so many non-English speakers in the first place that makes advertising like that a good idea?

If it was in a college town with a bunch of foreign exchange students, that makes sense. If not... something's wrong.

Blogger IM2L844 August 17, 2015 2:44 PM  

@22

Try Paleocon on for size, George.

Read through it. While many here would disagree with some of the finer points, I believe most, including Vox, would fall into some subcategory of general agreement.

Blogger Cail Corishev August 17, 2015 2:46 PM  

Derbyshire is an atheist (the proper kind: honestly sad about it) so it is no surprise he can't see the hope

He also probably doesn't feel like he'll live long enough to see the revolution. He helped to start it and took a beating for it, but doesn't expect to get in on the party. Easy to see why that would be depressing.

I'm holding out hope that he'll come to the faith one of these days. I think he's too smart and curious a guy to stay atheist to the end, and every once in a while he makes a remark that makes me think he's sneaking up on it.

By the way, I enjoyed his take on "cuckservative," which was unsurprising: it seemed a little coarse to him, but he understood it, and said if it's good enough for Jared Taylor, it's good enough for him.

Anonymous grey enlightenment August 17, 2015 2:49 PM  

Derbyshire is an atheist (the proper kind: honestly sad about it) so it is no surprise he can't see the hope

so what. it's nice to see atheist conservatism challenge the liberal atheist hegemony

Blogger Tommy Hass August 17, 2015 2:51 PM  

Does Rabbi do anything but quote Bible verses?

Serious question.

Blogger Jourdan August 17, 2015 2:54 PM  

@ Tommy Hass - Yes, he does. Including helping people some people here immensely who are struggling with spiritual issues. Save your fire for the enemy, Tommy.

Blogger Rabbi B August 17, 2015 3:11 PM  

Admittedly, I enjoy pointing out where truths reflect Truth. More often than not, many people's comments bring Biblical passages or Biblical principles to mind. I am still naive enough to believe that Bible does not merely contain the truth (as some liberals would have us believe) but that it is the truth and can be trusted as the final and authoritative word on any matter or topic.

I know that a lot of the topics VD posts are not explicitly Biblical in nature, but I tend to view the world through the lens of the Torah and I am continually amazed how much resonates with Biblical principles. Although I know the Dark Lord can spam as he sees fit, I appreciate the freedom to post what I think may be encouraging to some of readers here even if they do not all share my Biblical world view. Thanks for the question Tommy.

Slightly less than serious answer:

Only when I am not busy taking over the rest of the world.

Anonymous Upstate August 17, 2015 3:11 PM  

"Our time"???

What the hell have you and yours accomplished that makes you or any of us think you've got the means or ideas to do more than bitch and moan?

What a fucking pretender.

Anonymous Jim Milo August 17, 2015 3:12 PM  

That's what happens when you meet a stranger in the Alps. Yippee caw yay, Mr. Falcon.

Blogger jaericho (#107) August 17, 2015 3:14 PM  

I always look forward to Rabbi B's posts. @2 was great. Succinct. Succinct like a full broadside.

Thanks Rabbi B.

Blogger James Higham August 17, 2015 3:16 PM  

We're not equating GOP with conservative here, are we?

Blogger Sad Puppy August 17, 2015 3:21 PM  

@3

The only things Conservatives have succeeded at conserving is whatever new serving of bullshit the left has just served up. The role of the Conservative is not to maintain an unchangeable set of principles, but to slow down the left just enough that the population doesn't blow up the whole thing.
-------------------------

So this makes me feel like the Conservatives job is to keep the kettle temperature "just right" so we frogs don't jump out of the boiling thing.

Anonymous Trimegistus August 17, 2015 3:24 PM  

I was thinking about the dangers we face recently, and then I thought about the American Founders. They didn't have a global communication system at their fingertips. They organized a revolution with nothing but handwritten letters and locally-printed broadsheets. They were fighting a vastly stronger elite -- and, it should be pointed out, their enemies weren't nearly as hobbled by ideology or consumed by self-sabotage as our own foes today.

What's more, the Founders had a much harder position to "sell" to the low-information populace. Independence and freedom from monarchy were very abstract, pie-in-the-sky notions. The crimes and oppressions of our current enemies are much more obvious and loathsome than anything George III ever did.

They managed it. Just a few hundred men, scattered across half a continent, fought and beat the strongest kingdom in Europe. (Nor was their enemy decadent and declining: Britain rebounded from the Revolution, beat Napoleon, and conquered an even bigger empire in the next century.)

They managed it. So can we.

Anonymous Daniel #0189 August 17, 2015 3:28 PM  

43. Does Rabbi do anything but quote Bible verses?

Only like Cris Carter didn't do anything but catch touchdown passes.

Anonymous Jim Milo August 17, 2015 3:29 PM  

Well, as someone who lived through it, it feels a lot like 1990 with the SJW excesses. All that's missing is a bunch of new Russians and Warsaw Pact players in the NHL.

Blogger JDC August 17, 2015 3:32 PM  

One if five very dedicated Christians in a generation? I like those odds.

Five in one, baby, one in five...

Anonymous Upstate August 17, 2015 3:35 PM  

@trimegistus

You need an idea before you can think about comparing yourselves to the founders. ( a meeting place beyond the virtual equivalent of your mom's basement would help too)

Anonymous ZhukovG August 17, 2015 3:36 PM  

"My centre is giving way, my right is retreating, situation excellent, I am attacking."
Ferdinand Foch

Blogger Jeff Y August 17, 2015 3:37 PM  

“They are in front of us, behind us, and we are flanked on both sides by an enemy that outnumbers us 29:1. They can’t get away from us now!”
– Lewis B. “Chesty” Puller, USMC

When the Marines were cut off behind enemy lines and the Army had written
the 1st Marine Division off as being lost because they were surrounded by 22
enemy divisions. The Marines made it out inflicting the highest casualty
ratio on an enemy in history and destroying 7 entire enemy divisions in the
process. An enemy division is 16500+ men while a Marine division is 12500 men.

Anonymous Lazybug August 17, 2015 3:41 PM  

"Yeah, we're outnumbered. So the fuck what? We aren't outgunned."

I suspect the Dread Ilk and VFM would only be outgunned by a USMC platoon... then again maybe not.

Blogger David-093 August 17, 2015 3:42 PM  

A dedicated minority beats an apathetic.majority every time.

Blogger Nate August 17, 2015 3:44 PM  

"They've got us surrounded again, the poor bastards." - Creighton W Abrams Jr

Anonymous trev006 August 17, 2015 3:44 PM  

Counter-revolutionaries. I like the sound of that.

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Blogger Groot August 17, 2015 3:46 PM  

@55. Upstate:

Two tries, no takers. This is one poor-quality troll.

Anonymous Koanic August 17, 2015 3:46 PM  

Our darken the sun with their feces and outweigh us 100 lbs per posterior?

So much the better: We will have our battle in the shade.

Blogger Karl August 17, 2015 3:48 PM  

Maybe one way to explain things to all these boomer pundits would be to point out that this is a conservative/neo-reactionary moment similar to 1968.

It is rejection of the dead end (classical) liberalism/progressivism/positivism that is represented by movement conservatism today.

I mean, George Will has been on TV for over the last 30 years doing the same song and dance to what effect. Then Trump blows up the nomination contest and all of a sudden George Will is going to defend the right of the Republican party to have "borders"!? The GOP can have borders; meanwhile, the actual, physical border is poorly controlled.

Blogger Jourdan August 17, 2015 3:51 PM  

"We must ensure the real nation takes over from the legal nation before it is too late"

-- Charles Maurras (Action Francaise)

Blogger Nate August 17, 2015 3:53 PM  

moving mountains takes faith... this just takes high explosives.

Blogger Rabbi B August 17, 2015 3:56 PM  

""They've got us surrounded again, the poor bastards." - Creighton W Abrams Jr"

Coming at us from one direction, they will flee from us in seven. They will be defeated before us. Poor bastards.

Anonymous Upstate August 17, 2015 4:08 PM  

Groot is a tool of the pretenders.

Blogger The Remnant August 17, 2015 4:09 PM  

There is something reassuring about living in despicable times. I have no need to find a place in this miasma; my mind and conscience clearly dictate that my place is outside it and against it.

Blogger Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus August 17, 2015 4:12 PM  

"There is nothing so absurd but that a philosopher has said it." - Cicero

There, is Derb happy now?

Anonymous Gary August 17, 2015 4:14 PM  

Hard on true conservatives Vox, we fight.

I fight for my family and my nation.

I am the gatekeeper at work, many a SJW, slacker or feminist has been stopped cold in their tracks due to my efforts.

Anonymous cheddarman August 17, 2015 4:21 PM  

@ 43

Tommy Hass,

Rabbi B. is addressing the highest dimension of war, the moral, also known as the will to fight.

I am sure Alp Arslan would tell you the same, were he alive today.

Blogger Noah B #120 August 17, 2015 4:22 PM  

Rick Wilson meltdown, featuring Vox, covered by Breitbart

Blogger Bard August 17, 2015 4:23 PM  

I think Rabbi B's posts are genius! I now aim more to pierce my enemies with the only sword we have... the word itself.

OpenID corvinus333 August 17, 2015 4:25 PM  

If we aren't conservatives, what are we?

Revolutionaries.


@18
One term I've heard and rather like is "superversives".

Blogger JartStar August 17, 2015 4:34 PM  

Conservatism Inc. GOP Voters you are stupid! Get back in line and vote like the establishment tells you!

Second Republican Consultant Rips Conservative Base as Stupid - Breitbart

Blogger Stilicho #0066 August 17, 2015 4:40 PM  

The establishment Republicans who are constantly bemoaning the supposed lack of a Reaganesque "happy warrior" conveniently forget that you have to be a warrior before you can be happy about it.

Anonymous grey enlightenment August 17, 2015 4:50 PM  

The establishment Republicans who are constantly bemoaning the supposed lack of a Reaganesque "happy warrior" conveniently forget that you have to be a warrior before you can be happy about it.

just the age-old palo/mainstream divide. The mainstreams are always optimistic

Anonymous Alexander, #10 August 17, 2015 4:53 PM  

Oh Tommy Hass is certainly firing on the enemy. But you have to remember, even though we have a number of the same enemies, Tommy is a Turk who avoided Vienna entirely and went straight to colonizing Germany.

Those who would restore the moral foundations of an assertive, Christian, nation state in Europe or America is Tommy's enemy. That we both stand in opposition to feminism, liberal degenerates, and this secular multiculturalism that we've been saddled with does not change this fundamental fact.

Blogger Tommy Hass August 17, 2015 4:55 PM  

@51

"They managed it. So can we."

Who is Louis XVI?

For one, power projection was a whole lot harder back then. Britain was an ocean away from you. I doubt they put as much value on America as the current morons in power do, I mean America is the core piece of THEIR empire.

And beating Napoleon is pretty easy considering that Napoleons objectives were pretty much unachievable. All they had to manage was prevent an amphibious invasion.

How would the Brits beat Napoleon if he doesn't invade Russia. HInt: they don't.

Blogger Tommy Hass August 17, 2015 5:02 PM  

" Tommy is a Turk who avoided Vienna entirely and went straight to colonizing Germany.

Those who would restore the moral foundations of an assertive, Christian, nation state in Europe or America is Tommy's enemy. That we both stand in opposition to feminism, liberal degenerates, and this secular multiculturalism that we've been saddled with does not change this fundamental fact."

Bullshit. I am simply less religious than the lot of you and your glib religiousity (if I'm using glib correctly here) rubs me the wrong way.

Or in other words: Muslims preachers say the exact same thing about their camp. The fact that they are vastly outmatched means nothing to them. Why, God is on their side and whatever happens, they will win. This kind of attitude rubs me the wrong way, for some reason.

It's not muzzie vs westerner but somewhat secular guy vs fundamentalist (again, assuming this is the correct word).

I also lol at the idea that I'm colonizing anything. I was born here and support an immediate end of immigration to this country. I wanna ride the tram without seeing the fucking Tower of Babel full of alien mouthed nig nogs and ill behaved gypsies.

Blogger Sean Carnegie August 17, 2015 5:06 PM  

We are hard pressed on every side, but not crushed; perplexed, but not in despair;persecuted, but not abandoned; struck down, but not destroyed. 2 Cor 4:9-10

Blogger Rabbi B August 17, 2015 5:07 PM  

"This kind of attitude rubs me the wrong way, for some reason. "

Are you certain that it's only the *attitude* that's "rubbing you the wrong way?"

Glib: Fluent and voluble, but insincere and shallow.

I can assure you, there is nothing insincere nor shallow when I post a bible verse now and again to augment or reinforce a truth or point.

Anonymous Krul August 17, 2015 5:13 PM  

"I am simply less religious than the lot of you and your glib religiousity (if I'm using glib correctly here) rubs me the wrong way."

"glib
adjective
(of words or the person speaking them) fluent and voluble but insincere and shallow."

It depends. Do you believe our religiosity to be "fluent and voluble but insincere and shallow"? If so, then you're using the word correctly.

It goes without saying that my conviction is sincere, and I wouldn't be here if I weren't convinced that Vox and the vast majority of the commenters are equally sincere (whether I agree with them or not) but that's beside the point.

Blogger Tommy Hass August 17, 2015 5:15 PM  

"Yes, he does. Including helping people some people here immensely who are struggling with spiritual issues. Save your fire for the enemy, Tommy."

I'm not firing, I was just curious, because honestly couldn't remember a single comment of our Jewish brother that wasn't about religion.

Theology isn't bad, I honestly, without snark, wanted to know if he was spotted talking about something else. No joke, real talk.

Blogger automatthew August 17, 2015 5:17 PM  

If we aren't conservatives, what are we?

Founders.

Blogger Rabbi B August 17, 2015 5:20 PM  

"Theology isn't bad, I honestly, without snark, wanted to know if he was spotted talking about something else. No joke, real talk."

The addition of "serious question" clarified that point. Again, I appreciated the question and the opportunity to respond.

"I'm not firing, I was just curious, because honestly couldn't remember a single comment of our Jewish brother that wasn't about religion."

Well, guilty for the most part. Though far from perfect, for me to live is the Messiah. I suppose that will be evident from time to time.

Anonymous KBT August 17, 2015 5:21 PM  

I wish I could be so optimistic. Gawker starts to collapse. Yay, I guess? I'll celebrate when "gawker.com" forwards me to one of those "by dis domain cheep!" pages.

Meanwhile, here in California, my dad can't go take his drivers test for renewal because the illegals are flooding the DMV for their shiny new licenses. The other old guys he hangs out with at the race track just let their licenses expire but keep driving. Think the law will go easy on *them* if they get caught? Illegal alien? Have a college education. Old man in walker can;t get *near* a DMV? WE MUST MAKE AN EXAMPLE!

And there's talk in Los Angeles of letting a couple confessed illegal aliens onto some local government board or something. Hard to find details because the media won't cover such things.

Sacramento seems to be deliberately doing whatever they can to destroy the state economy. Usually the alpha-sociopath political class realizes that keeping things somewhat good is less trouble. Not sure what has changed.

And the H1B visas are hitting a lot of well paying, upper middle class tech jobs. Carly Fiorina wants to have the H1B program's babies.

Anonymous gwood August 17, 2015 5:23 PM  

Five in one, baby, one in five...
No one here gets out alive...

Blogger Tommy Hass August 17, 2015 5:26 PM  

Glib is the wrong word. I mean the complete lack of a shadow of a doubt.

Like, the fact that God exists, hasn't stopped the Mongols from utterly destroying Baghdad or the Abbasid Caliphate. It hasn't stopped us from nearly wiping out the Armenians.

I know it will fail to properly show what I mean but let's try: it bums me out that one would be ocnvinced of victory SO EASILY. Despite the fact that I am no atheist in any shape or form, I spent my formative years debating them. Statements like the one Vox made about the 11 Disciples or Rabbi's frequent scriptural references lead to a reflex in me that probably stems from adjusting my attitude to Dawkins acolytes, trying to avoid the obvious lines of attack.

Let it be said that I didn't capitulate to them in the slightest, in fact they were utterly convinced that a unicorn would be found before I drop my belief. It's just that I was more cynical as a result of these sparring matches. (One of the reasons I am reading this blog is because of Vox' demolition of the three stooges in TIA. I thought, "Damn so it's not only me!")

Anonymous Dirtnapninja August 17, 2015 5:29 PM  

No war but the culture war!

Blogger tweell August 17, 2015 5:31 PM  

My generation was given everything and turned it into crap. Sorry, folks, but this is how it goes - spoiled children turn into spoiled adults. I halfway-except myself here, but I'm a tail-end boomer that had farmer parents; spoiling me wasn't their way.

Conservatives have managed one thing here, just one, but it's an important one. The Constitution has become largely irrelevant, the law of the land is whatever the VIP's say, but we've managed to keep the Second amendment going. Access to firearms and the ability to carry has gotten better, not worse, over the last few decades.

There's a lot of crap to deal with, but we've at least managed to keep the shovels from being taken away.

Blogger Rabbi B August 17, 2015 5:42 PM  

"Statements like the one Vox made about the 11 Disciples or Rabbi's frequent scriptural references lead to a reflex in me that probably stems from adjusting my attitude to Dawkins acolytes, trying to avoid the obvious lines of attack."

Fair enough point. But it's more than just throwing out Bible verses and quips willy nilly. Many people here who share a similar worldview will take them at face value and perhaps agree for the most part. But there are more skeptics (perhaps like yourself) out there than not I imagine.

So, if we are quoting the Bible as authoritative on matters of truth, etc. we had better be prepared to defend it as well. Quoting a verse does not end an argument necessarily , but it can demonstrate the veracity of one or expose faulty ones. We had better be prepared to give an answer for the hope that we have, in word and in deed. Truth is truth no matter how you slice it or how many people try to ignore it, suppress it, resist it, or bury it.

"(One of the reasons I am reading this blog is because of Vox' demolition of the three stooges in TIA. I thought, "Damn so it's not only me!")'

Well, there you go, something indicated to you that TIA demolished some stooges. Men recognize the truth and they have no excuse for ignoring it or suppressing it - but they do all the time.

There was more to the 11 men's faith than mere belief - the demons believe in one G-d, and tremble. People believe in all manner of things, as you rightly observe. So what. Men are confronted with the truth, and that's what we all have to answer for at the end of the day.



Blogger W.LindsayWheeler August 17, 2015 5:46 PM  

So if you are not conservatives, it is now your turn. What is "your turn"?

Revolutionaries?

Revolutionaries of what?

Blogger Tommy Hass August 17, 2015 5:46 PM  

Given the relative lightweight nature of the deniers in question, it would be lame to allow those spergs to influence oneself, but there you go...

Anonymous Giuseppe The Kurgan August 17, 2015 5:47 PM  

So, what are we (and please provide something relatively descriptive that I could use in a reasonable conversation).... thx

Human beings.
Stop trying to box us into a soundbyte.

Anonymous Giuseppe The Kurgan August 17, 2015 5:56 PM  

Tommy,
Does Rabbi do anything but quote Bible verses?

Shut up you filthy infedel. He's a Rabbi! Educating heathens like me and spawn of the Satanic gospel like you is his work.

Blogger Daniel August 17, 2015 6:34 PM  

Wheeler:

Of this.

I urge you to meditate it on this for a very long time.

Blogger Tom Kratman August 17, 2015 6:43 PM  

Oh, I dunno. really depends on whether or not those called or calling themselves "conservative" actually are.

Blogger JCclimber August 17, 2015 6:47 PM  

Tommy, what is seeming to put you off is that many religious fanatics, of whatever religion - (atheism, islam, christianity, taoism, mormonism, judaism, shinto, buddhism, etc) - share the same absolute confidence and conviction that genuine faith based Christians have.

The way to tell the difference between a fanatic and a non-fanatic but rock solid believer is how they respond to sincere questioning of their core beliefs.

Emotional over reaction? Fanatic.
Reasoned explanation - whether or not it makes sense to you? - Core believer whose faith is based on evidence.

I am confident in my doctrines because I have thoroughly investigated every single one of them myself. Through sinful nature I may not fulfill all that my beliefs require of me, but I know what I believe and will die rather than change them - unless shown from the scriptures where I am wrong.

And our scriptures tell us that God wins, though at great cost.

Anonymous The Millennial Falcon August 17, 2015 6:47 PM  

Very unnerving that Derb is so dismissive of the unborn since it's clear he's given the issue plenty of dispassionate thought.

Blogger Daniel August 17, 2015 6:49 PM  

I won't get into the Long Plan, but you can look for some of its signs:

1. The tipping point of the Baby Boomer death/irrelevance rate. Numbers.
2. Proactive successful attacks on occupied Modernist strongholds: Public Schools, Universities, Medicine, Banking and Democracy/Politics.
3. Merciless disregard for the poison of decorum.
4. Contempt for conservative concessions.
5. Dead SJWs. Lots of them. Wiser ones who fall silent and surrender to reason. Far, far fewer of them.

I think Kratman's guess at 2 million crucified Progressives sounds a bit low, not because it has to be that way, but because there are at least that many so mortally dedicated to always lying.

Blogger Joshua Sinistar August 17, 2015 6:56 PM  

When you let the enemy pick the battlefield you are constantly retreating. When you let your opponent make the rules you are always at a disadvantage.
Attack the enemy at his source. Loot his camp, and cut their supply line. Destroy their base and they must surrender. When they ask for terms, hand them a shovel and give their women a maid's uniform or directions to your bedroom.
History is written by the winners. Their victories mean nothing if they lose. If you fight the good fight and don't surrender you can at least live to lie about it. No retreat, no surrender.

Blogger Carl Philipp August 17, 2015 7:26 PM  

@100 JCclimber
From @90 it looks like (Tommy correct me if I'm wrong) he is rubbed the wrong way who believe in the certainty of victory right here and now in this conflict. He rightfully objects on the basis that sometimes good people and civilizations ARE overthrown by evil, in the short term.

We are only promised long-term victory; and that to the degree we are faithfully aligned with the Victor, we will be rewarded.

Sorta reminds me of how I would always be annoyed when somebody would tell me that they're sure there will be a nice girl who loves me someday, somewhere. And I'm like, unless you're dropping a hint that you know a name, no you don't know that, so your attempt at reassurance was unsuccessful. 2/10, at least you sort of had good intentions, go back to school.

Blogger SciVo August 17, 2015 7:39 PM  

Groot @21: "Is there a meme I'm missing that pithily delivers the concept of "Stop being racist at me because I'm white, but that guy is obviously black"?"

Try "check your minority privilege," as in, "You need to check your minority privilege. Stop trying to shut me up and falsely claim a moral authority that you manifestly lack."

Blogger Updated/links LP999/S.I.G. August 17, 2015 8:03 PM  

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Blogger Giuseppe August 17, 2015 8:04 PM  

Tommy,
more seriously, I have no idea if we'll automatically win, and even if we do it doesn't mean I personally will survive it. The point is I'll be fighting on the side that is for truth and love and beauty. So whatever the outcome that's the side I will be on.

Blogger Joshua Sinistar August 17, 2015 8:12 PM  

When you let the enemy pick the battlefield you are constantly retreating. When you let your opponent make the rules you are always at a disadvantage.
Attack the enemy at his source. Loot his camp, and cut their supply line. Destroy their base and they must surrender. When they ask for terms, hand them a shovel and give their women a maid's uniform or directions to your bedroom.
History is written by the winners. Their victories mean nothing if they lose. If you fight the good fight and don't surrender you can at least live to lie about it. No retreat, no surrender.

Blogger Justin C August 17, 2015 8:20 PM  

Rabbi B,

Sensitive question but inquiring minds want to know;

Were you brought up in mainstream Judaism and came to believe in Jesus?
If so, how did you square away what branches of Christianity were orthodox? What books are the canon? ( The Jews of Jesus' day used what some call the deuterocanical books; 1 and 2 Maccabees, etc

Blogger SciVo August 17, 2015 8:25 PM  

Noah B #120 @73: "Rick Wilson meltdown, featuring Vox, covered by Breitbart"

With the hysteria, threat narrative, personalizing, poor judgment and DISQUALIFY!!, he sounded a lot like an SJW -- until he backed down instead of doubling down.

Blogger VFM #0209* August 17, 2015 8:41 PM  

@58

I am a Marine. I suspect I have several brothers among the Dread Ilk, the Ilk and the Vile Faceless Minions.

Blogger LP999/S.I.G. August 17, 2015 8:47 PM  

The state and media is null, nil, void, asinine and dyscivic (VD term).

Anonymous AntiDem August 17, 2015 8:56 PM  

"I am simply less religious than the lot of you and your glib religiousity (if I'm using glib correctly here) rubs me the wrong way."

I can't speak for Vox, but my own response is: "Too fucking bad. I'm not your mommy and it's not my job to make you comfortable. If you want a safe space, become an SJW and find a hugbox, you fucking fag."

But that's just me.

Blogger Laguna Beach Fogey August 17, 2015 8:59 PM  

Amen. Well said, Vox.

Blogger James Dixon August 17, 2015 9:40 PM  

> ...it bums me out that one would be ocnvinced of victory SO EASILY. ...

No one is saying it will be easy for us, Tommy. But then we're not counting on ourselves for the victory. Think about the following hymn for a bit, then maybe you'll understand a bit better.

A Mighty Fortress is Our God:

A mighty fortress is our God, a bulwark never failing;
Our helper He, amid the flood of mortal ills prevailing:
For still our ancient foe doth seek to work us woe;
His craft and power are great, and, armed with cruel hate,
On earth is not his equal.

Did we in our own strength confide, our striving would be losing;
Were not the right Man on our side, the Man of God’s own choosing:
Dost ask who that may be? Christ Jesus, it is He;
Lord Sabaoth, His Name, from age to age the same,
And He must win the battle.

And though this world, with devils filled, should threaten to undo us,
We will not fear, for God hath willed His truth to triumph through us:
The Prince of Darkness grim, we tremble not for him;
His rage we can endure, for lo, his doom is sure,
One little word shall fell him.

That word above all earthly powers, no thanks to them, abideth;
The Spirit and the gifts are ours through Him Who with us sideth:
Let goods and kindred go, this mortal life also;
The body they may kill: God’s truth abideth still,
His kingdom is forever.

Anonymous Five Daarstens August 17, 2015 9:46 PM  

Off Topic:

Roosh V is on the front page of the Independent today concerning a boycott of his books on Amazon.

Amazon Boycott


Blogger Tommy Hass August 17, 2015 9:51 PM  

"I can't speak for Vox, but my own response is: "Too fucking bad. I'm not your mommy and it's not my job to make you comfortable. If you want a safe space, become an SJW and find a hugbox, you fucking fag.""

I didn't tell anybody to change you idiot. I explained my mindset to avoid misunderstandings. I don't wish for this blog to change.

It was alleged that my "beef" is a "Clash of Civilizations" one. In reality it's the friction between a highly religious demographic and a mildly religious individual. Capiche?

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents August 17, 2015 9:55 PM  

These are not merely exciting times, they are fun times. We can shoot in literally any direction without fear of hitting a friendly.

"Mon centre céde, ma droite recule, situation excellente, j’attaque." - General Ferdinand Foch, 1914, 1st battle of the Marne'.

Anonymous dc red dogs August 17, 2015 9:55 PM  

Several commenters have said John Derbyshire is atheist, I have read more than half a million of his words (the man is an extremely gifted writer, at least when he is not truculently writing about evolution or abortion or women - well he is not the only "conservative" person to be wrong on quite a few subjects, the angriest guys on the chain gang always work a little less effectively than they ought to, for obvious reasons), and I think he is agnostic, with a sentimental and admirably filial affection for the Anglican and Episcopalian "traditions" (dread word, or course, religious "traditions", that is). He is almost always deeply insightful in a way that reflects a good education and a well-trained mind. Like I said, I am fairly certain he is an agnostic, not an atheist, big difference.
I could be wrong. Off topic, someone should imbed a video or gif of Derbyshire trying to take out Bruce Lee. Good thing that wasn't me, I would be an insufferable bore about it, but Derbyshire almost never mentions it.

Blogger Tommy Hass August 17, 2015 10:00 PM  

@100 @104 Good comments.

Blogger Tommy Hass August 17, 2015 10:07 PM  

"Off topic, someone should imbed a video or gif of Derbyshire trying to take out Bruce Lee. Good thing that wasn't me, I would be an insufferable bore about it, but Derbyshire almost never mentions it."

..............O_O O_O O_O

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xg6aQX_xOCM

That's.......

Blogger Cail Corishev August 17, 2015 10:42 PM  

Like I said, I am fairly certain he is an agnostic, not an atheist, big difference.

Yes. He's basically said he doesn't feel any religious impulse, which is hardly surprising considering he was raised Anglican in modern times. Many people feel that way but keep going to church for the socialization, while he didn't. A big part of modern Churchianity is immanentism, which includes the idea of "religious experience," that God is supposed to sort of bubble up inside each person. So if you don't feel that happening to you, then you have nothing to base your faith on. In a different time with a more intellectual approach to religion, men like him wouldn't see it as pointless.

Anyway, he's never said he knows God doesn't exist, and he doesn't show the contempt for religion and believers that characterizes so many atheists.

Anonymous dc red dogs August 17, 2015 11:19 PM  

Call C,. good comment, of course. Either we are convicted by the Holy Spirit of our sins, and thereby are saved (and being saved is an extremely wonderful result), or we accept Jesus as our Savior and repent our sins (same wonderful result), or through the grace of God we decide that the First Commandment is our favorite commandment, since it is the commandment most full of divine and human and every other kind of real love (same wonderful result, a very very very good result).

Blogger bob k. mando August 17, 2015 11:25 PM  

17. Aquila Aquilonis Fulminata August 17, 2015 1:47 PM
If we aren't conservatives, what are we?



what were the Founding Fathers conserving?




68. Upstate August 17, 2015 4:08 PM
Groot is a tool of the pretenders.



Groot is a tool that the Pretenders use?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BM8v7Fdvg3s



43. Tommy Hass August 17, 2015 2:51 PM
Does Rabbi do anything but quote Bible verses?
Serious question.



does Tommy do anything but call for the killing of khaffir?
serious question.


85. Tommy Hass August 17, 2015 5:15 PM
I was just curious, because honestly couldn't remember a single comment of our Jewish brother that wasn't about religion.


this is childish.

Rabbi B makes non-Torah / non-Bible quote posts all the time. and he doesn't even post every day.

IF it is true that you aren't noticing this fact
THEN it can only be because you are fixating on the verses.

i wonder why that would be?

Blogger Groot August 17, 2015 11:55 PM  

124. bob k. mando
"Groot is a tool that the Pretenders use?"

Groot is a fan of The Pretenders. Chrissie Hines has one of the most beautiful voices in rock.

Blogger automatthew August 18, 2015 12:02 AM  

Groot, you remind me of a god.

Anonymous Susan August 18, 2015 12:22 AM  

After someone mentioned it, I checked the Breitbart article where Vox's tweet to Rick Wilson is mentioned.
RW is NOT a conservative, he is a prime example of establishment cuckservative. No wonder Vox has no respect for conservatives. No consultant right now is conservative, they are all status quo establishment cuckservatives. You can tell from the head explosions.

Anonymous TheVillageIdiot(Ret.) August 18, 2015 12:24 AM  

ELEVEN SAINTS
Jason Webley with Jay Thompson

DannyR

Blogger Tom Kratman August 18, 2015 12:31 AM  

Four million, Daniel, and they needn't all be crucified. Some can be sent to the salt mines or lumber camps. A few, perhaps, be can sold to Arabian brothels. Others can be sold or given to African kleptocrats as reparations. Most of the rest can be shot or hanged. Only the very worst needs to have some sense nailed into 'em.

Blogger John Wright August 18, 2015 12:38 AM  

I am a Conservative. I stand on the walls of the city with my face turned against the barbarians, and the barbarians inside the gates, the heretics, witches and pagans, are one with the barbarians outside the gates, Vikings and Mohammedans and Mongols, barbarians from the frozen north and sweltering south and inhumanly corrupt Far East.

With me is everyone who is civilized, Christian as well as Virtuous Pagan, every Jew who takes his mother's God more seriously than he takes his father's leftist politics, and every atheist with two brain lobes and two testicles.

Against me are those who hate life, light, beauty, truth, justice, temperance, and reason. They love garbage both mental and physical, aesthetic and sexual.

They are rebels against reality and the puppets of Uncle Screwtape, doing in his work and selling their souls in return for exactly nothing.

I am a Roman Catholic and a Southern Gentleman, an Intellectual and a Scholar, and therefore the deadly enemy of all pretend-intellectuals with a string of letters after their names and not a brain cell in their heads nor a heart in their chest.

Like all conservatives, I am a radical revolutionary who seeks the alarming and utter overthrow of the entire system of the world. I cry defiance against the Dark Prince of Hell who reigns here, and I foreswear and abjure all his glamour, pomp and deceit. I will not bow the knee to the dark archangel.

I think the word Conservative is perfectly fine for that, provided you understand that I am Conservative in precisely the same way GK Chesterton was a Liberal: that is, our politics are not of this world.

Blogger IM2L844 August 18, 2015 2:12 AM  

I am collecting these off the cuff nano-essays of yours, John. Somebody has to do it.

You're gonna have to pick up the pace, man. I need a few hundred more before winnowing. My grandchildren deserve only the best and time is running out.

Anonymous Jack Amok August 18, 2015 2:35 AM  

The left whines about student loan debt, lack of hiring, and college being too expensive, but oppose good solutions on the grounds of political correctness and egalitarianism. Instead, blame the colleges, the government, businesses and loan companies - everyone but themselves for causing the problem in the first place

That's the Left's MO. Their ideas never work because their ideas are moronic. So when their ideas don't work out, the first thing they do is complain we are doing it hard enough. After a while, when it's obvious we're pushing their ideas as hard as we can and they're still not working, they start blaming the people implementing their ideas for not doing it right. If enough time goes by, eventually they will have disowned their own ideas so completely that they blame the ideas themselves for the problems. Of course, their new solutions aren't any better, it's all just a way to claim power. But I wouldn't be surprised if in 60 years it's future lefties leading the charge to round up and imprison gays and immigrants.

Blogger John Wright August 18, 2015 2:39 AM  

"You're gonna have to pick up the pace, man.

I am a full time writer as of now. If I fail and have to go back into the workforce, it will not be for lack of trying. A chapter a day is my quota, a novel a month.

I will do my best to obey your kind demand.

Blogger Tommy Hass August 18, 2015 12:28 PM  

Can moslems be virtuous pagans? :D

Also, Jews generally despise Jesus. At least that is the idea that I get.

http://www.jewornotjew.com/profile.jsp?ID=20

"Verdict: Sadly, a Jew."

Btw, you see that K score? With a picture of Mel Gibson? That is supposed to be a rating of how "awesome" that person is. Moses has a 5. Jesus has a 0 just like Adolf Hitler.

Blogger Tommy Hass August 18, 2015 12:38 PM  

Here's what the have to say about the Virgin Mary. http://www.jewornotjew.com/profile.jsp?ID=222

"Dear gentile mothers,
Imagine, if you will, that your grown-up son comes up to you, and says, "Mom, I renounce our religion!"

"Sure," you might say. He is no longer a child. He can make his own decisions. After all, there are plenty of denominations to choose from. Just so long as he doesn't pick Judaism.

Of course, that's not the end of it. "I renounce dad, too! He is no longer my father! From now on, I will be known as the Son of God."

"Sure," you say again. That doesn't sound too shabby at all. Son of God? What does that make you? Oh boy!

But he goes on. "And I'm gonna start my own religion, the symbol of which will be the image of my death! But don't worry, Mom, you will be honored as well. Everyone will call you 'The Virgin' and place a likeness of you on their front lawns next to a garden gnome!"

Well, you always did like garden gnomes..."

"Dear Jewish mothers,
Imagine, if you will, that your grown-up son comes up to you, and says, "Mom, I renounce our religion!"

"Hmmmm," you might say. He is no longer a child. Maybe it's time to let go.

Of course, that's not the end of it. "I renounce dad, too! He is no longer my father! From now on, I will be known as the Son of God."

"Hmmmm," you say again. You would have preferred him to be a doctor, but at least the kid has some ambition.

But he goes on. "And I'm gonna start my own religion, the symbol of which will be the image of my death! But don't worry, Mom, you will be honored as well. Everyone will call you 'The Virgin' and place a likeness of you on their front lawns next to a garden gnome!"

Oy gevalt! Everything else — the renouncing of religion, the father, this you could live with. But a garden gnome?! That's just meshuggenah."

Here on St. Paul.

http://www.jewornotjew.com/profile.jsp?ID=738

"Hey goyim!

We're gonna let you in on a little secret. We don't hate Jesus Christ as much as you think we do.

It's not like the two millennia of Christian-led antisemitism are his fault. He lived, he tried, he died. It's his followers who fucked things up.

You know who we REALLY hate? One of those followers, Saul of Tarsus, known to you as Saint Paul. The world's first antisemite.

So what did Paul do? Well, he basically started antisemitism as we know it today: the organized hatred of Judaism as a religion and Jews as people. We'll let famed philosopher Friedrich Nietzsche (definitely not a Jew) speak: "[Paul was] the genius in hatred, in the standpoint of hatred, and in the relentless logic of hatred."

But here's the thing: Paul wasn't just the world's first antisemite. He also might have been the world's first Jew for Jesus. For not only was he born a Jew, some scholars believe that he never left the religion, and just changed sects (makes sense, because at the time, Christianity was just a sect of Judaism).

That being said, we really can't relent on the hate. The world's first antisemite, the world's first Jew for Jesus, the world's first self-loathing Jew, it's rather irrelevant. Rot in hell, Saint Paul.

Yes, you heard us right, goyim. Rot in hell, Saint Paul. Rot. In. Hell."

Not only do they not hate Jesus as much as we think they do (damning with faint praise?) but St. Paul is also to rot in hell.

Of course this doesn't really matter wrt to people like Rabbi, but this faction among Jews is hardly a tiny minority.

Blogger Markku August 18, 2015 2:09 PM  

Yes, you heard us right, goyim. Rot in hell, Saint Paul. Rot. In. Hell."

Paul said it first about all of them (sans the glee) so I see that as fair enough. It's a natural response, I wouldn't expect anything different.

Blogger Tommy Hass August 18, 2015 3:38 PM  

Isn't it contradictory to be so chummy with a group that you say "naturally" hates one of history's greatest Christians? I mean, it ST. Paul for a reason. Guy is one of the 11.

Blogger Markku August 18, 2015 3:49 PM  

I'm not chummy with them. And it's not just Paul saying it, it's the Holy Spirit. But they don't know that.

Blogger Tommy Hass August 18, 2015 4:01 PM  

Christians seem to like Joos more than Muslims, but there should be equal distance, when you think about it. When you look at JCW's posts about Jews, you might get the idea that Jews aren't even infidels.

Blogger Markku August 18, 2015 4:18 PM  

And it wasn't always like this. Here's some of the first recorded writings of Christendom, from first and second century.

Epistle of Mathetes to Diognetus
But as to their scrupulosity concerning meats, and their superstition as respects the Sabbaths, and their boasting about circumcision, and their fancies about fasting and the new moons, which are utterly ridiculous and unworthy of notice,--I do not [275] think that you require to learn anything from me. For, to accept some of those things which have been formed by God for the use of men as properly formed, and to reject others as useless and redundant,--how can this be lawful? And to speak falsely of God, as if He forbade us to do what is good on the Sabbath-days,--how is not this impious? And to glory in the circumcision [276] of the flesh as a proof of election, and as if, on account of it, they were specially beloved by God,--how is it not a subject of ridicule? And as to their observing months and days, [277] as if waiting upon [278] the stars and the moon, and their distributing, [279] according to their own tendencies, the appointments of God, and the vicissitudes of the seasons, some for festivities, [280] and others for mourning,--who would deem this a part of divine worship, and not much rather a manifestation of folly? I suppose, then, you are sufficiently convinced that the Christians properly abstain from the vanity and error common [to both Jews and Gentiles], and from the busy-body spirit and vain boasting of the Jews; but you must not hope to learn the mystery of their peculiar mode of worshipping God from any mortal.

Epistle of Ignatius to the Trallians
But now, by denying the cross, and being ashamed of the passion, they cover the transgression of the Jews, those fighters against God, those murderers of the Lord; for it were too little to style them merely murderers of the prophets

Justin Martyr
For you swarm and light on sores like flies. For though one should speak ten thousand words well, if there happen to be one little word displeasing to you, because not sufficiently intelligible or accurate, you make no account of the many good words, but lay hold of the little word, and are very zealous in setting it up as something impious and guilty; in order that, when you are judged with the very same judgment by God, you may have a much heavier account to render for your great audacities, whether evil actions, or bad interpretations which you obtain by falsifying the truth. For with what judgment you judge, it is righteous that you be judged withal.

Irenaeus
Unless, then, the Jews had become the slayers of the Lord (which did, indeed, take eternal life away from them), and, by killing the apostles and persecuting the Church, had fallen into an abyss of wrath, we could not have been saved. For as they were saved by means of the blindness of the Egyptians, so are we, too, by that of the Jews; if, indeed, the death of the Lord is the condemnation of those who fastened Him to the cross, and who did not believe His advent, but the salvation of those who believe in Him.

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Schmoozing with the Jews is a relatively recent phenomenon in Christendom. In the first centuries it was universally not so.

Blogger Markku August 18, 2015 4:47 PM  

And remember that I'm a low church Protestant. I don't believe there is this concept of "The Church" above and beyond what is directly implied by the original word ecclesia - "the elect". What any particular Christian organization (or "church") says is nothing to me. The only value I ascribe to it is that it's from a different era, and one gets a more balanced picture of things by reading text from different eras, as their characteristic errors tend to be different.

If you want to talk Catholicism, you'll have to talk to someone who thinks there is this thing called "Church History".

Blogger Markku August 18, 2015 5:11 PM  

Also, the state of Christendom is admittedly embarrassing, and this is not the Christendom I would have liked to showcase to a Muslim, like "see, HERE'S how you do it when you have TRUTH!"

But it's not really as bad as it looks. Imagine yourself two billion years into eternal life. Are you going to go "I could have spent all this time in unimaginable torment if it weren't for that group of Christians, but dammit, dammit, dammit, I could have paid less than 10% of my gross income those twenty years had I only known they were wrong about tithing!"

No, you're not going to go that. Nor any version of that.

Anonymous Forrest Bishop VFM #0167 August 18, 2015 7:22 PM  

136. Markku

Yes, you heard us right, goyim. Rot in hell, Saint Paul. Rot. In. Hell."

I don't recall that particular passage in either Talmud. Do you have a reference?

Paul said it first about all of them (sans the glee) so I see that as fair enough. It's a natural response, I wouldn't expect anything different.

Maybe, or maybe just a few authors, the SJWs of their day. Those days may not have been more than a few centuries ago, perhaps less than six.

141. Markku

If you want to talk Catholicism, you'll have to talk to someone who thinks there is this thing called "Church History".

Reverend Edwin Johnson's The Pauline Epistles is an excellent place to start. In his view, the Epistles were some of the very last NT material written, sometime in the early-mid 1500's. The alleged-early Church Fathers like 'Jerome" had no knowledge of Paul. This agrees with Fomenko's forensics and with Heinsohn's stratigraphic evidence, or rather lack thereof. In brief, at least 700 years of the past 2015 years AD never happened, the chronology was fluffed up (by Scaliger, Woolsy, Polydore, Poggio, Petrarch, et al, along with Benedictines and the Rabbis) with fake events partly drawn from real ones. No original, pivotal, historical document can be traced past the late 1400's at the very earliest. Most of what is known as "ancient" was written, or heavily re-edited, in the 1500's and later.

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Blogger Vlad Z. August 31, 2015 5:49 PM  

What does "started with 11" mean?

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