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Saturday, August 01, 2015

Xanatos unveiled

You know, of all the SJWs in science fiction, I would have thought that John O'Neill would have known me well enough by now to understand that I am an accomplished player of games. I mean, I contributed to Black Gate for several years and a fair number of my posts were game-related. I thought he knew me better. But, in any event, he explained his 2015 Hugo ballot at Black Gate.
I’ve explained my rationale elsewhere, and I won’t rehash all that again, but in short — regardless of how the voting goes, the Puppies have made it abundantly clear that their primary goal is to have their ballot accepted. Having the bulk of fandom acknowledge their ballot as legitimate, and having their nominees read and voted on, paves the way for future Hugo ballots to be decided the same way: through the Puppies aggressive form of slate voting, which I feel drowns out far too much worthy fiction in favor of the Puppies extremely narrow selection process (dictated almost entirely by two individuals).

Or to put it another way: Any slate in which Vox Day puts eleven works from his own tiny publishing house on the Hugo ballot — and nominates himself for two Hugos — will have a hard time convincing me that it is anything other than a naked Hugo grab, poorly masquerading as a reactionary literary movement.
Now that the voting is complete, I will simply quote Mr. Correia.

"Vox is off doing his own thing. You tried to shun a man who is incapable of being shunned. He got kicked out of the market, so went and built his own market. The more you go after him, the stronger he gets. I don’t think you guys realize that most of me and Brad’s communication with Vox consists of us asking him to be nice and not burn it all down out of spite."

I like Larry. I like Brad. They're good men. I respect them both. And out of my respect for them, I agreed to play it straight this year, support Sad Puppies, and refrain from nuking the Awards. (The VFM were champing at the bit to burn SOMETHING and there was a category that eminently had it coming, so I graciously acceded to their humble requests and unleashed them.) That is why I wish I was more surprised to observe that the science fiction SJWs were dumb enough to do what the Dark Lord wanted in order to teach Brad and Larry a lesson.

See, now that's what a fucking Xanatos Gambit looks like, bitches.

Note to Richard Brandt: I am not the habit of keeping my self-appointed enemies informed of my true intentions at all times. I said I would support Sad Puppies. I supported Sad Puppies. I kept my word. That's what I do, even if it means running the risk of delayed gratification. Fortunately, as I anticipated, the SJWs were almost as outraged by Brad's recommendations as they were by mine.

My intentions were always right out there in the open for anyone with the wit to see it. Based on some of his wry commentary, I suspect Mike Glyer knew. The Dread Ilk certainly understood. I even warned the SJWs that if they went No Award this year on the basis of their disapproval of our award pimpage, they'd have no grounds to complain about our utilization of their tactics in the future, only not in revenge, but because that was the goal. In addition to not voting No Award across the board, we also didn't respond to any of their shady tactics, not Mary Kowal's vote-buying, not the various proposed rule changes, not the spurious disqualification of John C. Wright's sixth Hugo nomination.

The reason is that I wanted our hands to remain entirely clean this year and to gauge the true strength of the motivated opposition. Why buy 500 votes when we've learned that Kowal only bought 75?

Next year, we bring the noise. Sad Puppies won't be led by the Cuddly Care Bear, but by Kate the Impaler. The VFM will grow in size and malice, and the GG-inspired counterattack will spread into new industries. Next year, Rabid Puppies will utilize every useful tactic, explore every potentially usable angle. Because we're not here to win awards, we're here to kick ass and chew SJWs. John O'Neill has never grasped that. For some reason, he still thinks we are craving the approval of the human wreckage that risibly deems itself a literary elite.
The last few months has been a remarkably dynamic and exciting time for fandom. The Sad Puppies and Rabid Puppies accomplished something absolutely incredible: joining together to make a resounding statement about the current state of science fiction awards, and forcing the entire industry to sit up and take notice. They have, without question, been the single largest story in fandom this year.

Unfortunately, the subsequent discussion has been a Public Relations disaster for the Puppies. When the eyes of the world were upon them (and while they were admittedly being unfairly criticized by people who misunderstood what they were really about), the Puppies responded by relentlessly going on the attack, hurling bombs at “SJWs,” liberals, secret cartels controlling the Hugos, and (especially, and rather senselessly) Tor, the publisher that has tirelessly promoted and sold many of the authors they championed.

In short, four months ago the Puppies grabbed the microphone and stood on stage in front of the entire industry. They seized the genre by the throat, and had a golden opportunity to make their point. And instead, they simply proved that they had nothing of any real value to say.

Today, the Sad Puppies are already seen as a spent force. Irrelevant, misguided, and not particularly very interesting. Perhaps I’ll be be proven wrong, and when the Hugo Winners are announced at Sasquan in Spokane, Washington, on August 22, the Puppies will sweep again, just as they swept the nominations.

But I don’t think so. I think the result will be quite the opposite, and the Puppies will be swept aside in a wave of NO AWARDs. When that happens, I’m sure there will be plenty of dark muttering about “next year.” But by then, the microphone will have been turned off, and the audience will be long gone. The Puppies are part of history; they just don’t know it.
Yeah, they said much the same last year too. The problem is that John still thinks we seized the genre by the throat in order to make a point. We're not making a point, we're strangling an evil and obnoxious ideology. And we have only begun to squeeze.

Later this month, one of two things will happen. Either one-third of the Hugo Awards will be obliterated or the twenty-year dominance of the science fiction SJWs will be publicly shattered for the world to see. The former is a win for Rabid Puppies, the latter is a win for everyone except the SJWs, but in particular for the Sad Puppies. And if the former result is not quite as dramatic as I would have liked, well, we can always seek to do better next year.

On a tangential note, I appreciated this response to one of O'Neill's sillier statements in the comments:
"In short, the Puppy slate just doesn’t measure up."

"Riding the Red Horse is the first great mil-sf anthology since Jerry Pournelle tapered off back in the 90′s."
To summarize: We are the reavers and the renegades, the rebels and the revolutionaries, and we don’t give a quantum of a damn about pieces of plastic or the insider approval they represent.

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147 Comments:

Anonymous Steve August 01, 2015 7:43 AM  

Unfortunately, the subsequent discussion has been a Public Relations disaster for the Puppies.

What a cucky thing to say.

Anonymous MRR August 01, 2015 7:50 AM  

As I read this, two things popped into my head. One is from The Big Bang Theory:
Leonard: Well, what am I supposed to do?

Sheldon: I don’t know, but if you don’t figure something out, I warn you I shall become very difficult to live with.

Leonard: You mean, up until now we’ve been experiencing the happy funtime Sheldon?

Sheldon: Yes.

Leonard: ...I’ll go talk to her.

The other one is from Men At Arms, by Terry Pratchett: "Pray you never face a good man, Vimes thought. He'll kill you with hardly a word."

I have a suspicion that the SJW's don't understand that this has been happy, fun-time Vox Day, nor that they've unleashed a good man...

MRR (VFM #0070)

Anonymous Whitey McWhite August 01, 2015 7:53 AM  

"The Dread Ilk certainly understood."

Oh yes.

Anonymous Steve August 01, 2015 7:55 AM  

As in... unfortunately, the sacking of Rome was a public relations disaster for the Visigoths...

Note to John O'Neill: men who aren't pansies don't give a toss about whether you approve of our actions.

Blogger Tommy Hass August 01, 2015 8:07 AM  

Lemme guess: you wish to destroy their credibility and prove to the world one and for all that they are a tiny swarm of insects that make a lot of noise and that the rest of the world that isn't SJW doesn't need to fear these marginal losers.

Correct?

Anonymous Whitey McWhite August 01, 2015 8:08 AM  

"The Puppies are part of history; they just don’t know it."

Tell us all about it next year.

Anonymous Lulabelle (68) August 01, 2015 8:13 AM  

"they simply proved that they had nothing of any real value to say."

I think I know the Puppy response: "we don't care".

Blogger Salt August 01, 2015 8:18 AM  

What a crock of shit coming from anyone. You'd think that voting wasn't open to anyone and everyone who desired to participate. O'Neill's pissed that badthink, the Puppies, showed up and kicked ass on the field.

"which I feel drowns out far too much worthy fiction"

Hey, O'Neill, the (S)JV better up its game cause the Puppies have taken to the field. If it's worthy, vote for it and stop crying... ya douchbag.

Anonymous Kreator August 01, 2015 8:20 AM  

Oh, please Vox, burn it down, burn it all down to the ground. Destroy the fucking thing and let us rebuilt it afterwards.

Anonymous MrGreenMan August 01, 2015 8:23 AM  

All projection from O'Neill:

Look how he and his commenters pine for a "non tainted" nomination! Oh, if only the cool kids would approve of them!

Anonymous Whitey McWhite August 01, 2015 8:24 AM  

Tommy Hass: "Correct?"

Not correct. This isn't about sending a message, about credibility or anything else. This is about executing a Xanatos gambit.

Blogger Kryten 2X4B 523P August 01, 2015 8:24 AM  

@5

Nope, we're getting them to do that to themselves.

Anonymous MrGreenMan August 01, 2015 8:33 AM  

I repent of ever having enjoyed reading anything on Black Gate:

"I don’t know. What most people reacted to was HOW the “right wingers” got on the ballot, not the fact that they were “right wingers.”"

What garbage. See... see... if they had come, wrapped in rainbows and licking John Scalzi's taint... repeating the Alynski formula and rubbing the Toad's ankles... we would have been OK!

"I’m glad to hear that. I haven’t read Vox Day’s anthology RIDING THE RED HORSE (which was on the Puppy ballot four times), but I’m a fan of military SF (and a lot of Pournelle’s work, while we’re on the topic, although he and I are about as polar opposite as it’s possible to get, politically).
Vox (and others) have claimed there was zero chance of RIDING THE RED HORSE getting nominated for a Hugo without gaming the system to do it, and perhaps they’re right. But now we’ll never know."

Sounds like the very definition of zero chance right there if it had been ignored until championed by team we-dont-care.

Anonymous Whitey McWhite August 01, 2015 8:35 AM  

The point is not to impose a fixed outcome but to allow the opponent a choice of outcomes satisfactory to oneself.

Anonymous Jacob August 01, 2015 8:38 AM  

I find the "conspiracy" throw away line particularly tedious. Pointing out that there is a closed exclusionary mono-culture, is not the same as saying that there is a conspiracy. They display all the problems of a closed mono-culture: Lack of self-awareness and an inability to adapt to change. Mix all that with a crusader mentality, and voila, the problem as it exists today.

They don't like the labels, that's fair. I prefer to describe their monoculture as a weird amalgamation of reign of terror era Jacobinism, the cultural revolution, and ISIS (because cultural appropriation amiright), tempered by a terminal case of fat, lazy, and chickenshit. Also, lets be honest, they aren't smart enough to be a Jacobin, nor do they really have the strength of conviction necessary, either. They will ravage the countryside and urinate on the moldering corpse of their dead and dying societies when its easy to do so, but they won't piss on lively people likely to punch them in the balls.

Now, the bubble is punctured. The counter revolution will swallow them, and they will be fed to their own guillotine. The thing is that pretty much nobody cares,as they want to tomorrow to be about like today except a little better.

Ah well; I am looking forward to next year, and please release more Castilla house with B&N so I can read them on my Nook.

Anonymous Mike M. August 01, 2015 8:41 AM  

The SJWs could have saved themselves endless problems by openly proposing their own slate. But SJWs don't just always lie, they always cheat, too.

Blogger Salt August 01, 2015 8:52 AM  

The SJWs could have saved themselves endless problems by openly proposing their own slate.

This has been so much fun, well worth the 40 bucks, watching them go bat-shit as the unwashed walked beneath the glowing neon sign proclaiming, "Welcome, all, to Fandom," and onto the playing field.

OpenID basementhomebrewer August 01, 2015 8:53 AM  

Notice he declares victory before the votes have been counted or announced. He supplies to evidence of his supposed victory. Either he is being informed by the insider group he claims doesn't exist or he is trying to set the narrative in hopes that no award sweeps. In either scenario it appears that he is a liar and he loses because he doesn't understand the game

Blogger Cail Corishev August 01, 2015 9:03 AM  

Little Larry was in second grade, and he had a problem. He never got an extra brownie at lunch, because when the lunch ladies brought them out, a group of third-graders had a plan: two of them would jump on each of the fastest second-graders and hold them down while a couple third-graders ran up and grabbed them all.

So Larry went to his friend Little Bradley and some other second-graders, and they came up with their own plan: they would get the entire second grade, which was larger than the group of third-grade bullies, to use their own tactics against them. They would jump the third-graders first, two to each, and hold them down while a couple second-graders grabbed all the brownies.

But Little Teddy spoke up: he thought this seemed like a lot of work and wrestling around every day, and success was far from a sure thing. Why not just get baseball bats, wait for the third-grade bullies in the bathroom, and break their legs? Then they'd be out of the picture for a long time, and everyone would have an equal chance to get a dessert.

Most of the second-graders agreed with Teddy, and some started elaborating on the plan -- perhaps poisonous snakes in lockers, or contact cement in jock straps! But Larry and Bradley talked Teddy into calming them down, and convinced them to stick with the open and fair plan that wouldn't actually hurt anyone. So they went with the "jump on them and do it their way" plan, and they had some success, though it promised to be an ongoing uphill battle against not just the third-graders, but against much of the administration as well.

So Little Johnny sat on the sidelines and tsk-tsked Larry and Bradley for their evil plan. How dare they adopt the third-graders' tactics? How dare they think they had just as much right to a dessert as anyone else? Why can't they just accept things the way they are? If they only asked the third-graders nicely enough, maybe did their homework for them, surely they'd share. Sometimes. When the brownies had raisins in.

So Johnny did his best to shame Larry and Bradley and get the other second-graders to refuse their tactics. If he could get the teachers to pay attention, he'd probably try to get them to put the second-graders in detention at lunch time to stymie their plan.

What does Little Johnny think happens next?

Blogger James Dixon August 01, 2015 9:05 AM  

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Blogger Jim August 01, 2015 9:06 AM  

@18

He's actually declared victory after scoring an own goal by No Awarding multiple categories.

Blogger James Dixon August 01, 2015 9:06 AM  

> Unfortunately, the subsequent discussion has been a Public Relations disaster for the Puppies.

What part of "We don't care." does John not understand?

Blogger Nate August 01, 2015 9:13 AM  

SJWs always lie.

Therefore SJWs cannot imagine anyone telling the truth.

Blogger Nate August 01, 2015 9:17 AM  

"> Unfortunately, the subsequent discussion has been a Public Relations disaster for the Puppies."

I don't know how George Bush could possibly have been elected... I don't know a single person who voted for him!

Blogger Steveo #238 August 01, 2015 9:21 AM  

VD - Because we're not here to win awards, we're here to kick ass and chew SJWs

We are not the ones who wiped their crap on the walls in the public john, we're the custodians with a fist full of their hair in our hands using their scrubby beards to clean it up. Puke. We don't care.

Blogger Doom August 01, 2015 9:29 AM  

I feel much better now. I will just have to figure out how to get more involved. And, yes, sometimes I had my doubts. I just wish I had a wake up pill, and instructions. Yeah, I need both... sometimes more than other times... or things.

I do feel much better. Burn it all down.

OpenID mickoneverything August 01, 2015 9:31 AM  

I'm not even sure which way I want it to go at this point. No award sweeping the ballot would be hilarious, but would it be more hilarious than, say, Making Light's reaction to Vox winning a Hugo?

Blogger Nate August 01, 2015 9:32 AM  

"I'm not even sure which way I want it to go at this point."

That's the finest proof there is of a Xanatos gambit.

Anonymous trk August 01, 2015 9:38 AM  

I like the smell of fear from sjws in the morning.

Blogger Jim August 01, 2015 9:40 AM  

@27

Vox winning would be more hilarious. However, RP's objective of burning down the Hugos seems to have been achieved. We're now at the secondary objective of carrying off as much of the furniture as possible before the flames consume it all.

Anonymous Viidad August 01, 2015 9:42 AM  

Anyone who voted for "The Goblin Emperor" as best novel deserves no attention.

Anonymous old man in a villa August 01, 2015 9:43 AM  

When I read something written by an adult male and it includes the word "fandom" my immediate reaction is that he/she/it is kind of faggoty. Not necessarily a homo, but soft, mincing, effeminate- the very opposite of a man.

But then that encapsulates the way many of the so-called pundits and talking heads of the media world are these days- every sentence begins with the word "so", every sentence ends with the rising tone, as if it were a question-

"So, the Sad Puppies? Are not doing fandom any favors?"

The whole of our society is poisoned by estrogen.

Anonymous Emperor of Icecream August 01, 2015 9:53 AM  

Mo No Award

Anonymous Noah Ward August 01, 2015 9:54 AM  

I'm preparing my acceptance speech now.

Anonymous Menelaus August 01, 2015 9:55 AM  

Another maxim: SJW's always go too far, to the point of self-immolation.
They could have retained their little tor mutual affection society forever, as long as they gave out token awards to *anyone* else.
But no, they had to give scalzi 7542 hugos and pnh another 2200.
When the complaints inevitably arise, the SJW response is "Let them eat cake".
That always ends well.
The Rabid Puppies are taking the Bastille. Subsequent actions are obvious to all but the sjws.

Anonymous Stephen J. August 01, 2015 9:56 AM  

"When I read something written by an adult male and it includes the word "fandom" my immediate reaction is that he/she/it is kind of faggoty."

What word would you use for the idea, then?

Or is it wasting time wiring on the topic at all that is less than manly?

Blogger Tommy Hass August 01, 2015 9:56 AM  

"That's the finest proof there is of a Xanatos gambit."

Why do you guys know TvTropes? It's pretty spooky.

Seriously, I thought I was one of the few here young and anime fan enough to know about that website.

Blogger automatthew August 01, 2015 9:59 AM  

we're here to kick ass and chew SJWs

Timely. RIP Rowdy Roddy Piper.

Blogger automatthew August 01, 2015 10:03 AM  

@15: please release more Castilla house with B&N so I can read them on my Nook.

When you buy from Castalia House directly, you get an epub, which will work on Nooks. If you buy from Amazon, you can use the free program Calibre to convert the Kindle format to epub.

Blogger Jim August 01, 2015 10:03 AM  

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Anonymous old man in a villa August 01, 2015 10:04 AM  

"Or is it wasting time wiring on the topic at all that is less than manly? "

So, I assume you meant "writing"? And you're trying to insult me for not giving you a less faggoty option?

Fandom sounds like something teenie-boppers are into. 'Readers' works, as well as aficionados, connoisseurs, enthusiasts, take your pick.

Blogger pyrrhus August 01, 2015 10:06 AM  

Some of us think that Riding the Red Horse is the greatest mil-sf anthology EVER....

Anonymous REG August 01, 2015 10:07 AM  

I voted, as I said at the beginning, I vote on the merit of the work, not, for a side. The opposition to the puppies had years of experience in slate stacking, yet could not build anything with meat on its bones with all the time they had before the nomination. That shows that they don't have much to offer and know it. I didn't read names of the puppy nominations but, knew some like Wright and Kratman. And I knew A. Justice as one of theirs because of publicity. Otherwise the only way I could tell was by readability. It was clear by that that there was easy voting. Exception, John vs Tom required a lot of ponder but, I made a choice only because I had to. I'm not too surprised to see that the SJWs fulfilled my prediction that they have nothing to offer. I think the 'No Award' is and was their only option. They were running a bluff and folding was all that is available to them.

Blogger jayb August 01, 2015 10:09 AM  

@38 automatthew
I believe Vox is quoting Duke Nukem.
Rowdy's line in 'They Live' is "I have come here to chew bugglegum and kick ass... and I'm all out of bubblegum"
Of course, Nukem's line is a reference to 'They Live'.
/pedantry

RIP Rowdy.

Blogger Elocutioner #0226 August 01, 2015 10:14 AM  

@41 old man
The term "fandom" has been around for a century and many people talking about the Hugos have used it over the last few years. And it is accurate. It's is a subset of "readers" that cares enough to actually voice an opinion and perhaps vote.

Do you have another equally precise definition to replace it?

http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?search=Fandom

Blogger Nate August 01, 2015 10:16 AM  

Blessed be the Lord, my rock,
Who trains my hands for war,
And my fingers for battle

Anonymous Steve August 01, 2015 10:18 AM  

aficionados, connoisseurs

French and gay.

And "book lover" is too fruity.

So I call them "book fuckers".

Anonymous Sam the Man August 01, 2015 10:19 AM  

Vox,

Not to be miss manners but one thing I observed in your presentation that you might want to consider:

Your use of the word f-cking as a word to emphasis your point.

Now while it was effective and I understand it use in a verbal argument, a well placed F—K can be effective in a verbal argument but it was always sort of excluded in writing, other than fiction.

I have noted that the SJW and other youngsters have started a trend in recent years where they swear as part of the written argument. It seems it is a sign of sincerity and the strong feeling of the person. It use emphasizes emotion over rationality. Now to an old guy like me (50s), well it just doesn't read well. In particular when I read some one using the F word in a written argument I generally assume they are a young liberal fathead. I t comes across as someone who has forgotten the old rules of decorum that used to keep written arguments somewhat civilized.

Of course I could be an old fuddy but I thought it might be an observation you might find useful.

Kind regards

Blogger Nate August 01, 2015 10:19 AM  

"Do you have another equally precise definition to replace it?"

Customers appears to work well in every other form of business communication.

Blogger Nate August 01, 2015 10:20 AM  

"Now to an old guy like me (50s), well it just doesn't read well. In particular when I read some one using the F word in a written argument I generally assume they are a young liberal fathead. "

Shut the fuck up.

Blogger Nate August 01, 2015 10:21 AM  

God Damn Baby Boomers... Seriously... someone ball gag that jackwagon.

Blogger Cataline Sergius August 01, 2015 10:22 AM  

Tor, the publisher that has tirelessly promoted and sold many of the authors they championed.

It was certainly decent of the them to promote the bad-to-reprehensible works of unrepentantly racist, sexist and homophobic neo-nazis.

Quite inclusive of Tor.

Who'd have thought PNH had it in him?.

Anonymous Clint #47/#73 August 01, 2015 10:25 AM  

@50 Nate, stop being a young liberal fathead.

Blogger Salt August 01, 2015 10:27 AM  

Gee, Sam, I'm over 60 and sometimes even I use the word fuck in a written sentence. Hell, even today I've already used the word douchbag.

Go take a chill pill.

Blogger Cail Corishev August 01, 2015 10:27 AM  

Why do you guys know TvTropes? It's pretty spooky.

It's been mentioned here several times. I've contributed to it here and there. It's not all anime and Buffy-speak; it also has a lot of solid pages on classic works like The Iliad and Magnum, p.i. Many of the tropes, like Xanatos Gambit or Achilles In His Tent, are quite useful. And the casual, somewhat frivolous nature of the site, along with its "There's no such thing as notability" policy, result in far less tone-policing and PC revisionism than you get at "serious" sites like Wikipedia.

It's not perfect -- there's way too much "Ho-yay" talk, for instance -- and I don't go in the forums. But in the actual content, there's a lot of good stuff.

Anonymous Stephen J. August 01, 2015 10:29 AM  

@old man in a villa: I did mean "writing"; Vox has asked us not to bother posting corrections for obvious typos.

And I was being a bit hostile, though not in fact as a direct impugnment of your character but as a trap -- I was going to observe that if discussing fandom at all was unmanly, that is a slam by implication against Vox and most of the Ilk given the frequent focus of this blog. But in hindsight that was unnecessarily passive aggressive; I apologize. Thank you for answering my actual question.

And you're right that "fandom" sounds very teeny bopper ish -- but the thing is, a vast majority of fans *are* teens, or seem to have the emotional development thereof. So I would say it is quite often a perfectly cromulent word.

Blogger VD August 01, 2015 10:29 AM  

please release more Castilla house with B&N so I can read them on my Nook.

All books sold by the Castalia House store are in EPUB format.

OpenID vfm360 August 01, 2015 10:36 AM  

Unfortunately, the subsequent discussion has been a Public Relations disaster for the Puppies. When the eyes of the world were upon them (and while they were admittedly being unfairly criticized by people who misunderstood what they were really about), the Puppies responded by relentlessly going on the attack, hurling bombs at “SJWs,” liberals, secret cartels controlling the Hugos, and (especially, and rather senselessly) Tor, the publisher that has tirelessly promoted and sold many of the authors they championed.

Projection much?

Anonymous Clint #47/#73 August 01, 2015 10:37 AM  

I have noticed an uptick in lots of activity amongst those who align themselves with #GG, RP, etc. While VD, Brad, and Larry were the "leaders" of these moves regarding SP and RP with respect to the Hugos, these other activities usually have nothing to do with them or SF/F.
Instead, they are people saying "enough is enough" and doing things on their own. Whether it is going on the attack against Planned Parenthood, or some other situation, the genie is out of the bottle and SJW's are going to have to realize that their little false world is crumbling.

Anonymous Anonymous August 01, 2015 10:39 AM  

Burn it.

Burn it all.

Burn Everything.

Leave no two stones piles on top of each other in the ashes.

Salt the earth with their tears, and if necessary, with their blood.

Ensure no institution EVER lets them in the gates for fear we burn them down too.

Any institution should turn out or silence any SJW for fear of attracting our ire.

If there are any survivors, they must be made to wander the internet desert, alone.

This year? Next year? I don't care. Burn it all, and keep burning until there is no more fuel for the inferno.

SJW Delenda Est

DM

Anonymous Geoff August 01, 2015 10:41 AM  

I appreciate the openness and freedom of the ePub format versus the closed nature of kindle.

It's strange that ePub works on those commie Apple machines, though.

Anonymous BGS August 01, 2015 10:43 AM  

OT: Ayn Rand's villains keep popping up. Company with $70kmin wage http://finance.yahoo.com/news/ceo-raised-minimum-wage-70-212850113.html

"two of the company's "most valued" members have left the company, "spurred in part by their view that it was unfair to double the pay of some new hires while the longest-serving staff members got small or no raises.""
"Gravity's web developer, Grant Moran, 29, had similar concerns. While his own salary saw a bump... new policy didn't reward work ethic. "Now the people who were just clocking in and out were making the same as me," he tells the Times. "It shackles high performers to less motivated team members."

Blogger Jeff Weimer August 01, 2015 10:45 AM  

@31 Viidad - That novel was terrible. So was the entire GN category. Reading them one after the other was like reading a particularly bad issue of Heavy Metal.The SJWs owned that category (except for the Zombie one), and their taste......shows.

Anonymous Roundtine August 01, 2015 10:45 AM  

GBFM said it best.

Lololozlozzlozlzozzozlozzlolz.

Blogger Mad Dok Rob August 01, 2015 10:46 AM  

Unfortunately, I did not get involved this year, but have thoroughly enjoyed it. I eagerly await joining the other VFM in doing our Dark Lord's bidding next year.

Blogger James Dixon August 01, 2015 10:48 AM  

> It's is a subset of "readers" that cares enough to actually voice an opinion and perhaps vote.

Actually, no. I've been told that what the SJW's mean by it is the subset of fans who go to the conventions and participate in them.

Blogger Nate August 01, 2015 10:50 AM  

"Actually, no. I've been told that what the SJW's mean by it is the subset of fans who go to the conventions and participate in them."

and why should the rest of the Sci Fi world accept whatever bullshit that sub-culture force feeds them?

Blogger Mad Dok Rob August 01, 2015 10:51 AM  

@62 That is also the big complaint with the G-D union at college where I teach. We complain about that all the time.

I guess that would be a benefit if I had no work ethic and didn't care.

Blogger James Dixon August 01, 2015 10:56 AM  

> ...and why should the rest of the Sci Fi world accept whatever bullshit that sub-culture force feeds them?

Where did I say they should? But it ot usually helps if you know what you opponent is actually saying.

Blogger Cail Corishev August 01, 2015 10:56 AM  

George Rape Rape Martin demonstrated the problem with "fandom" (the definition, if not the thing) quite well a while back when he had his hissy fit because the "truefen" were losing control of the awards process to non-truefen. He talked about the fandom like a hereditary priesthood.

As a collective noun to describe those whose love for a work or genre goes beyond buying and consuming it, to forming fan clubs, writing fan-fiction, and so on, "fandom" is fine. As a tool of othering, used to draw a line between the "true fans" and everyone else, so the true fans can control who gets to join them and decide for everyone how the works should be appreciated and awarded, it's not fine. At that point it's just more junior-high clique bullshit.

Blogger Remo - Vile Faceless Minion #99 August 01, 2015 10:56 AM  

Our torches remain lit, our spears sharp, our shields broad, our axes and swords thirsty for blood even if the master commands us to stay our hands.... next year there will be ample opportunity to pillage then burn - or is it burn first? I get those two confused... :D

Anonymous Thobby (#58) August 01, 2015 11:02 AM  

>Anyone who voted for "The Goblin Emperor" as best novel deserves no attention.

I voted for "The Goblin Emperor" as best novel. Yes, the plot could have been set seamlessly in Ruritania, and everything that was accomplished by magic could have been accomplished equally well by non-magical means. But I liked the characters; I enjoyed the story, and I might want to read it again someday.

By contrast, I disliked every single character in The Three-Body Problem, at least up to half-way through the book, which is the point at which I finally gave up and stopped reading it. I kept hoping there would eventually be *something* in there that would make the book worth reading, an idea if not a character, but as of half-way through, when I shrugged and bailed, there wasn't.

Likewise, you couldn't tell the players in *The Dark Between the Stars* without a scorecard, and while the universe itself was interesting enough, despite the many references to previous books I hadn't read, the frequent viewpoint switches were dizzying.

I didn't read Ancillary Sword or The Skin Game since complete copies of those works weren't included in the Worldcon Packet, but as both appear to have been sequels to other books I have not read I doubt I would have liked them either.

Blogger VD August 01, 2015 11:05 AM  

I voted for "The Goblin Emperor" as best novel.

Do attend Malwyn, #58. She will explain to you how this "minion" thing works. You appear to be somewhat confused regarding the concept.

Anonymous Viidad August 01, 2015 11:11 AM  

@Thobby

"I voted for "The Goblin Emperor" as best novel ... I liked the characters; I enjoyed the story, and I might want to read it again someday."

Are you a 12-year old girl?

Anonymous Book_Girl August 01, 2015 11:12 AM  

I voted for "The Goblin Emperor" as best novel.

Facepalm...

Blogger Giuseppe August 01, 2015 11:16 AM  

@4 Steve, I lolled again. You sir are definitely Dread Ilk.

Blogger bob k. mando August 01, 2015 11:16 AM  

5. Tommy Hass August 01, 2015 8:07 AM
Lemme guess: you wish to destroy their credibility



they destroy their own credibility through their lies and hypocrisy.

hell, Will Shetterly even replied to Kowal with "May the richest fan win." and he's a hard core socialist.

when you've got a socialist calling out your venal and unprincipled behavior ... you've got problems.




37. Tommy Hass August 01, 2015 9:56 AM
Seriously, I thought I was one of the few here young and anime fan enough to know about that website.



bitch, please.

like TvTropes has an age verification page that asks "Do you verify that you are less than 30 years of age?"




51. Nate August 01, 2015 10:21 AM
God Damn Baby Boomers... Seriously... someone ball gag that jackwagon.



i think i can dig up a gimp suit if you want to give him the full Pulp Fiction.

Anonymous BigGaySteve August 01, 2015 11:21 AM  

Should you really be saying this now, it might affect the counting of the votes?

Why buy 500 votes when we've learned that Kowal only bought 75?

She needed how many people to come up with $3000? "David Geithner, brother of ex-Obama Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner, ... planned to meet a gay porn star and escort for “2-3 hours” at a cost of $2,500."

As a collective noun to describe those whose love for a work or genre goes beyond buying and consuming it,

Is it possible that GRRM loves books and dorritos more than I love penis?

Are you a 12-year old girl? Give him a break even gay Hispanic nurses with masters degrees are not more mature than that.

Anonymous bgs August 01, 2015 11:24 AM  

As in... unfortunately, the sacking of Rome was a public relations disaster for the Visigoths...

Note to John O'Neill: men who aren't pansies don't give a toss about whether you approve of our actions.


I might have to steal that and make a small change

Anonymous FP August 01, 2015 11:24 AM  

"Now to an old guy like me (50s), well it just doesn't read well. In particular when I read some one using the F word in a written argument I generally assume they are a young liberal fathead."

I know right? Obscenity is the crutch of inarticulate mutherfuckers.

You anonymous internet dickbag.

Blogger James Dixon August 01, 2015 11:27 AM  

> Give him a break even gay Hispanic nurses with masters degrees are not more mature than that.

Her. Which accounts for some of the difference of opinion. Nate's wife likes Glock's, after all.

Anonymous Stg58 / Animal Mother #225 August 01, 2015 11:36 AM  

Sam the Man,

General George S. Patton once said "An army without profanity couldn't fight its way out of a paper bag."

Go fuck yourself. We're an army and we're here to fight.

Anonymous Red Comet August 01, 2015 11:39 AM  

Today, the Sad Puppies are already seen as a spent force.

They say this a lot about Gamergate too. It's like if they say it enough times it'll come true.

Blogger Meredith Dixon August 01, 2015 11:40 AM  

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Anonymous Sam the Man August 01, 2015 11:43 AM  

The comments on the F-word were a nothing more than an observation that it is unseemly to older folks. I notice the response to a mild comment on the use of swearing in a written piece has garnered nothing but swearing and insults back.

Do you not see that is exactly the type of response you would get if you posted a mild critique on a SJW site? Pretty classy responses chaps, you have made my point better than I could have. If you have to make your point known through swearing it does not read well or reflect well on the writer, except in fiction.,

Do you not see that the written word last a lot longer than the spoken? That said in the specific case Vox did make a point with the use of that word, but Vox is a pretty articulate guy, he does not need to do that. It is far better to put the written "knife" in folks belly with a smile and calm measured reason than with obvious anger.

Just a point to ponder, if you can get past your gut reaction. SJW are ruled by emotion, don't be that guy (or gal)

Blogger VD August 01, 2015 11:48 AM  

Do you not see that the written word last a lot longer than the spoken? That said in the specific case Vox did make a point with the use of that word, but Vox is a pretty articulate guy, he does not need to do that. It is far better to put the written "knife" in folks belly with a smile and calm measured reason than with obvious anger.

Use of the word "fuck" does not mean "obvious anger". In this particular case, it merely indicates emphasis. And when I want lessons in rhetoric from you, I will be sure to ask for them.

Anonymous Thobby (#58) August 01, 2015 11:48 AM  

Off by forty years, Viidad. But I do read and enjoy children's and YA literature, and I'll grant you that *Goblin Emperor* was YA. Children's books aren't eligible for the Hugo. YA books are.

Thirty years ago, I wouldn't have been caught dead reading a YA book. I was convinced that the darker and gloomier and grittier something was, the more meaningful it must be and the more dignified and grown-up I must be for reading it.

Blogger Nate August 01, 2015 11:50 AM  

You're concern trolling on the blog of a man that named Michelle Malkin "Mee So Michelle"... and is an avowed fan of Public Enemy and NWA.

I do not speak for Vox... but I can assure you... you can count the fucks he gives on one finger.

Anonymous Dave August 01, 2015 12:01 PM  

@Sam the weenie man

Cuck off, bitch

Anonymous Viidad August 01, 2015 12:05 PM  

Thobby: "Off by forty years, Viidad. But I do read and enjoy children's and YA literature, and I'll grant you that *Goblin Emperor* was YA. Children's books aren't eligible for the Hugo. YA books are.

Thirty years ago, I wouldn't have been caught dead reading a YA book. I was convinced that the darker and gloomier and grittier something was, the more meaningful it must be and the more dignified and grown-up I must be for reading it."

I get you on the "darker and gloomier and grittier" thing. The Goblin Emperor was surprisingly lacking in the normal ugly stuff you see in modern writing; however, I also found it lacking in anything that would draw one into the story. It read like a woman wrote it. Lots of court ritual and meetings... for ever and ever. And lots of feeeeeelings. And being sensitive. And having a distant father. And racism.

I've read gardening books that are more entertaining.

Blogger JACIII August 01, 2015 12:09 PM  

Viidad has Written gardening books more interesting.

Blogger maniacprovost August 01, 2015 12:11 PM  

I'll not lie, I managed to read the entire excerpt of Ancillary Sword. It wasn't that bad, considering it took five chapters for them to 1) Get in a spaceship 2) unmask a spy that was identified before entering the spaceship. I think what made it worthwhile was trying to figure out 1) the genders and 2) how the author thought the gender thing was remotely plausible.

When it comes to voting, you actually need to discard the Archimedean principle and multiply by infinity to compare Sword to 3 Body. Goblin Emperor is OK, though I didn't finish it.

Blogger automatthew August 01, 2015 12:14 PM  

I also found it lacking in anything that would draw one into the story. It read like a woman wrote it.

You write damnably. You write like a Calormene. You write like a Woman.

Anonymous Viidad August 01, 2015 12:17 PM  

@automatthew

lol

Anonymous Stg58 / Animal Mother #225 August 01, 2015 12:23 PM  

I say good day to you sir!

Anonymous RedJack #22 August 01, 2015 12:48 PM  

While I enjoyed Goblin, I could never quite suspend disbelief enough to really get into it. It was a YA book, and an ok one at that. But there was to many moments that the young goblin was saved by being a decent and nice person. In court politics, he would have been devoured.

Blogger Anthony August 01, 2015 12:56 PM  

As in... unfortunately, the sacking of Rome was a public relations disaster for the Visigoths...

It still is an ongoing PR disaster for the Visigoths. How much do you know about their accomplishments after the sack of Rome? Their advances in architecture, their generally freer social structure? Their rule in Hispania and Italia?

Blogger Anthony August 01, 2015 1:03 PM  

I left "Goblin Emperor" off the ballot entirely. It's not science fiction nor fantasy. There's no magic or fancy technology. (Maybe there is later, but I'm halfway through, and there hasn't been anything yet.) If you replaced elves and goblins with any pairing of human ethnies which have shared an empire, it wouldn't change the story. Try reading elves and goblins as Manchu and Han, or Sikh and Bengal or Spaniard and Indian.

Anonymous Stephen J. August 01, 2015 1:04 PM  

"Is it possible that GRRM loves books and dorritos more than I love penis?"

I think you would have to love penis an *awful lot* to win that particular contest. But I'll take your word on it.

Blogger Tommy Hass August 01, 2015 1:14 PM  

@CailCorishev"It's not perfect -- there's way too much "Ho-yay" talk, for instance -"

The contributors on that site are really weird, for reasons I can't even explain. I read it sometimes, but I get the irresistable urge to punch these fuckers in the face.

It's like they're a cross of Pajamaboy and Sheldon Cooper.

Blogger James Dixon August 01, 2015 1:25 PM  

> It read like a woman wrote it.

Well, duh. One did.

> I left "Goblin Emperor" off the ballot entirely. It's not science fiction nor fantasy. There's no magic or fancy technology.

There is magic, albeit of a very limited sort. Enough to qualify it as fantasy though.

> If you replaced elves and goblins with any pairing of human ethnies which have shared an empire, it wouldn't change the story. Try reading elves and goblins as Manchu and Han, or Sikh and Bengal or Spaniard and Indian.

And exactly what part of:

> Yes, the plot could have been set seamlessly in Ruritania, and everything that was accomplished by magic could have been accomplished equally well by non-magical means.

Are you disagreeing with again? :) It sounds pretty much like you've reiterated Thobby's points.

Now, I wouldn't have voted for it. It's not my kind of book. But I suspect I would have no awarded the entire category. If an author/publisher doesn't care enough about the Hugos to submit their entire book, it's not getting my vote, which would leave out Skin Game, and I suspect that's the only one I'd have found worth voting for. Now, if Nemesis had been on the ballot, that would have been another matter.

Anonymous Thobby (#58) August 01, 2015 1:25 PM  

Redjack wrote, "But there was to many moments that the young goblin was saved by being a decent and nice person. In court politics, he would have been devoured."

True. He was fortunate enough to be liked, or at least favored, by a surprisingly large number of politically capable people. Of course, his late father had made a lot of enemies, and not all of them had been tactless enough to get rusticated.

And Viidad wrote, "however, I also found it lacking in anything that would draw one into the story."

I can certainly see where you're coming from. The plot moved slowly enough that I found myself treating the book like a 19th-century three-volume novel. It was a distinctly leisurely reading experience.

The curious thing, really, was how little was made of the racism, given the title and the premise of paper-white elves, pitch-black goblins and their slate-grey offspring. But in fact there's very little conflict between elves and goblins; the two major conflicts in the book are "aristocracy against the guilds and small landholders," and "communists against the state."

Blogger Bateful Higot August 01, 2015 1:50 PM  

What a nightmare. Banishing a political enemy, only to have him return with the horde he amassed in exile. One day, the SJW may understand why we VFM do not care. First, however, they must understand what you promised us. It was not money, it was not some petty distinction, nor was it social acceptance. No, it was something far more exquisite: you promised us a glut of SJW tears. As we wait for the results, I must confess you've fulfilled your promise beyond what I thought possible... and yet we're merely at the first intermission.

Stay thirsty my friends,

Bateful Higot
VFM 244

Blogger Cail Corishev August 01, 2015 1:58 PM  

Tommy, I know those types are there (a couple times that I strayed into the forum, it was full of them). But since I stay mostly to the pages about the tropes themselves, or about decidedly un-hip older shows and books, I don't see much of them.

Blogger Danby August 01, 2015 2:10 PM  

What's been fun for me is watching them burn their own village in order to save it from us. We come in as liberators, and some of the people we are trying to liberate burn their own homes and commit ritual suicide to divert the attention of the Nazi occupiers, While screaming "JEW JEW JEW" and Vox and the Minions.

As a connoisseur of human folly, I have derive a great deal of amusement. I wanted to burn it down, but they're trying assiduously to do it before i get there.

Blogger Nate August 01, 2015 2:13 PM  

"What a nightmare. Banishing a political enemy, only to have him return with the horde he amassed in exile."

its like Napoleon... only very slightly taller.

emphasis on slightly.

Blogger Cail Corishev August 01, 2015 2:15 PM  

It's kind of amazing to think it hasn't even been a year yet. We get people ridiculing us (or complaining) because we haven't won everything yet, when the reality is we're just getting warmed up. Heck, most of us are still reading the rules on the back of the box.

The SJWs have been in charge since about 1965 -- call this the 50th anniversary of their Revolution -- and they were infiltrating the institutions for decades prior to that. Imagine what the landscape might look like after 50 years of #GamerGate, #PPSellsBabyParts, and all the other efforts that will fork off from these.

Actually, I don't think I can imagine it. I expect that in just five years, #GamerGate and its forks will have changed things more than we can picture now. Fifty years of #GamerGate? That thought must wake SJWs up screaming at night.

Blogger Danby August 01, 2015 2:24 PM  

I think Bread and Larry missed a good bet. Once the shortlist was up, the SJWs would have had no choice. "Vote for Sad Puppies or align yourself with the infamous Vox! OH NO!!!"
Imagine the head explosions ensuing,

Blogger Feather Blade August 01, 2015 2:31 PM  

I think what made it worthwhile was trying to figure out 1) the genders and 2) how the author thought the gender thing was remotely plausible.

Figuring out the genders was not worthwhile at all. Considering that no character ever used a masculine pronoun in reference to or in addressing any other character, I was just about convinced that there were no men in the universe at all. Which... okay, they have cloning and cryostorage which implies they'd have gene-splicing tech too, so, sure, why not?

Then, suddenly, penis festival on space station!

I think that's what they call a "Big-Lipped Alligator Moment". It broke what little world building the author had done to that point.

Anonymous Mr.A is Mr.A August 01, 2015 2:37 PM  

"Xanatos Gambit" encapsulates the situation cleanly, clearly, and provides a superb shorthand notation that can be used as a most efficient club. This event has been so worth the $40 annually these past two years.

I am proud to serve the Dark Lord as VFM #4906.

Blogger GK Chesterton August 01, 2015 2:44 PM  

One of my (several) differences with your list was Black Gate. Other than Castilia they are the only SF blog I read. Well, no more. And no more need to vote for them ever again.

Blogger bob k. mando August 01, 2015 3:07 PM  

106. Nate August 01, 2015 2:13 PM
its like Napoleon... only very slightly taller.
emphasis on slightly.


are you certain he's taller than Napoleon?

because, as it turns out, Napoleon was actually a bit over average height for his era ...

http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2010/03/napolean-bonaparte-having-been-short-is-a-myth/

Anonymous Scintan August 01, 2015 3:24 PM  

This is the kind of stupidity you're dealing with:

A great many folks already believe the awards have already been permanently tarnished by this behavior. I don’t believe that’s true. But if it is, I do think Larry and Vox will be the ones to blame for it.

Comment by John ONeill - August 1, 2015 1:43 pm


To bring back an earlier post, from an earlier thread:

"70. Scintan April 20, 2015 1:36 PM

If you read through John ONeill's posts on the matter he's not withdrawing because he hates SP/RP or loves SJWs. He's mad because SP/RP overturned the apple cart and exposed the rotten apples on the bottom.

O'Neill has pretty conclusively shown that he's part of the problem."

Blogger Jack Ward August 01, 2015 3:42 PM  

I read Goblin Emperor. I was not sorry I did, though, the thing was quite the study in tedium.
Now, Three Body Problem [which I voted best novel] I am eagerly awaiting the first sequel.

Anonymous Takin' a look August 01, 2015 4:00 PM  

-Jacob

Running away from "Conspiracy" doesn't make it any less true. At it's heart it means to "breath together to the exclusion of others". I guess you could call an open conspiracy a club.

Blogger James Dixon August 01, 2015 4:25 PM  

> I guess you could call an open conspiracy a club.

Or perhaps, a clique.

Blogger SciVo August 01, 2015 4:32 PM  

Tommy Hass @37: "Why do you guys know TvTropes? It's pretty spooky."

I re-categorized all the tropes when they switched from a flat to a relational database, since that was my idea, which was the same as volunteering. Created several new categories along the way, the kind that wouldn't be the primary category for anything, but that became obvious once a trope could be in more than one category at a time.

Burned me out, so I've hardly even looked at it in the years since, but I'm still proud of seeing it through to the end when I really really wanted to quit.

Anonymous mistaben August 01, 2015 4:51 PM  

I took a moment to savor voting for Black Gate as #1 despite their pleas to be left off. But they really were that good.

Anonymous Viidad August 01, 2015 5:12 PM  

Jack Ward: "I read Goblin Emperor. I was not sorry I did, though, the thing was quite the study in tedium.
Now, Three Body Problem [which I voted best novel] I am eagerly awaiting the first sequel."

Three Body Problem was the closest thing to a classically Hugo-worthy novel in the batch. I enjoyed it as well. If it wasn't for that novel, I might have given the category to your brother Noah.

Blogger RobertT August 01, 2015 5:19 PM  

Every avalanche starts with a tiny trickle, but obliterates everything in its path before it's finished.

Blogger Corvinus August 01, 2015 5:29 PM  

There is magic, albeit of a very limited sort. Enough to qualify it as fantasy though.


@101 James Dixon

I didn't hate the Goblin Emperor, but I didn't really notice any magic at all either. The "elves" and "goblins" were simply two different races of humans who happened to have pointy ears... nothing more or less.

By contrast, I disliked every single character in The Three-Body Problem, at least up to half-way through the book,

@72 Thobby
Yeah, I had Three-Body Problem below Skin Game because it was so blasted cynical. "You are bugs!" ("We screwed your technology permanently and you're fucked!") And they were helped by the main character. Not to mention that I wondered if there'd be a way to destroy the sophons with antiprotons somehow.

Blogger Groot August 01, 2015 6:02 PM  

@103. Bateful Higot:
"you promised us a glut of SJW tears...Stay thirsty my friends"

Well said.

@105. Danby:

"As a connoisseur of human folly, I have derive a great deal of amusement."

I never was, but seeing it highlighted here so amusingly by the Ilk, I'm picking up a taste.

@110. Mr.A is Mr.A
I tought I taw a tautology.

"Xanatos Gambit":

I've always known it as "Heads I win, tails you lose." I have in the past, and I speak the truth, used this successfully. I had this guy agree to it, backed up by his buddies. I surrounded it with, "Nothing complicated, just the most basic version, no 3 out of 5 or anything" verbiage. When the toss unexpectedly went against him, he conceded. This is a tree who can keep a straight face when necessary, but years later, I'm still laughing.

Anonymous Mr.A is Mr.A August 01, 2015 6:10 PM  

@123
"@110. Mr.A is Mr.A
I tought I taw a tautology."

Or a die-hard Steve Ditko fan, so not just a tautology. But, YMMV.

Blogger James Dixon August 01, 2015 6:24 PM  

> ...but I didn't really notice any magic at all either....

It was there, but it never played a major role in the story, so it's not surprising you didn't notice it.

Blogger Floyd Looney August 01, 2015 7:28 PM  

He says it is senseless to attack a company that called their own writers and customers "NAZI's"... really...

Anonymous Thobby (#58) August 01, 2015 7:47 PM  

Corvinus wrote ,"I didn't hate the Goblin Emperor, but I didn't really notice any magic at all either."


The only magic that actually takes place before the reader's eyes in The Goblin Emperor is the bright flash of a death spell being cast on a would-be assassin by the emperor's mage bodyguard. This could easily have been replaced by a mundane ranged attack of some sort. For that matter, the "mage" could have been using flash powder for all the difference it would have made to the plotline.

Two other instances of magic occur off-camera. We are told that another bodyguard was put out of action by means of a sleep spell (a drugged drink would have done the trick just as well, or a cosh over the head), and, very early in the book, a priest investigating the airship's explosion reports to the emperor that he has spoken with the spirits of the deceased victims but that they could not identify the saboteur. Of course, since no information is learned thereby, it is immaterial to the plot, though not to his characterization, whether he really did speak with their spirits or not. He could have been lying or mistaken.

There is also a prestigious magical college adjacent to the court, but its members might as well be learning to pull rabbits out of hats for all the magic we ever see them perform.

Anonymous zen0 August 01, 2015 7:52 PM  

@105 Danby

As a connoisseur of human folly, I have derive a great deal of amusement. I wanted to burn it down, but they're trying assiduously to do it before i get there.

I have been reading a series of history magazines about the 20th century done in monthly installments sometime in the 60's by the Brits. It covers a lot of territory, beginning in the late 19th.

The one thing that stands out however is the way people (especially governments) vigorously and enthusiastically pursue folly.

Blogger Harsh August 01, 2015 9:05 PM  

The Puppies are part of history; they just don’t know it.

Bahahahaha!

I bet he believes that if he says that enough times, it will become true.

Blogger SirThermite (VFM #0025) August 01, 2015 10:06 PM  

But by then, the microphone will have been turned off, and the audience will be long gone. The Puppies are part of history; they just don’t know it.

Same faggy, disingenuous SJW tactic of declaring their enemies irrelevant and dead, that we've seen continuously from anti-Gamergate. But we are very much alive and our grip on their throat is only getting stronger

Anonymous LL #0002 August 01, 2015 10:10 PM  

I have a Nook HD. Download the kindle app. Read kindle stuff on your nook. If you cannot download the app, use Calibre (free software) to convert from one format to another. Castalia House doesn't need to sell via B&N. You can buy from their website and still use the reader you want.

Anonymous LL #0002 August 01, 2015 10:45 PM  

Please, tell us more about how the written word needs better policing to meet your standards. I'm all ears....

Anonymous Not-So-Merry zen0 August 01, 2015 11:22 PM  

The Puppies are part of history; they just don’t know it.

A part of history.............. like the American Revolution, the French Revolution, the Bolshevik Revolution.............

Blogger rho August 02, 2015 1:19 AM  

@2 I have a suspicion that the SJW's don't understand that this has been happy, fun-time Vox Day, nor that they've unleashed a good man...

It's not that this is happy-fun-time VD that makes a problem, it's that this was part-time VD that makes a problem.

If you're an SJW, or are SJW-sensitive, the best outcome is for a total Rabid sweep. If your position isn't strong, you want your enemies to ride through unmolested and weaken themselves on foreign--preferably distant--borders.

@37 Why do you guys know TvTropes? It's pretty spooky.
Seriously, I thought I was one of the few here young and anime fan enough to know about that website.


I had to look up the reference. Is Disney a player in anime?

@119 Three Body Problem was the closest thing to a classically Hugo-worthy novel in the batch. I enjoyed it as well.

It's the only one I bought to read. The title alone made it interesting, but VD circled back on it.

Blogger Jim August 02, 2015 1:35 AM  

I had to look up the reference. Is Disney a player in anime?

Disney has been involved on the distribution end of Studio Ghibli (Princess Mononoke, Spirited Away) since 1996. But Gargoyles has nothing to do with that and itself isn't anime.

Blogger rho August 02, 2015 1:54 AM  

@134

Do you pray to Xanatos?

Blogger Jim August 02, 2015 2:11 AM  

@135

I prefer the Keres myself.

Blogger ScuzzaMan August 02, 2015 3:32 AM  

Like Gamers, rumours of our demise have been somewhat exaggerated.

Blogger VFM bot #188 August 02, 2015 5:36 PM  

Next year, we bring the noise. Sad Puppies won't be led by the Cuddly Care Bear, but by Kate the Impaler. The VFM will grow in size and malice, and the GG-inspired counterattack will spread into new industries. We're not here to win awards, we're here to kick ass and chew SJWs. John O'Neill has never grasped that...John still thinks we seized the genre by the throat in order to make a point. We're not making a point, we're strangling an evil and obnoxious ideology. And we have only begun to squeeze....To summarize: We are the reavers and the renegades, the rebels and the revolutionaries, and we don’t give a quantum of a damn about pieces of plastic or the insider approval they represent.

Damn. What's not to like about a movement with a leader who makes the point like Vox does above? Onward, vile minions and puppies! This is gonna be nothing but FUN.

Blogger VFM bot #188 August 02, 2015 5:43 PM  

Although...there was a misspelling in the statement, See, now that's what a fucking Xanatos Gambit looks like, bitches.

Should be...that's what a fucking Xanatos Gambit looks like, bitchez!

Anonymous Ain August 02, 2015 6:59 PM  

"Note to Richard Brandt: I am not the habit of keeping my self-appointed enemies informed of my true intentions at all times."

This is why numbering the VFM was so interesting to me. Off the bat, It offered at least two immediate possibilities: 1) "When you are strong, pretend to be weak." Low ball the number so they don't try hard enough to muster the needed numbers. Or 2) "When you are weak, pretend to be strong." (I use the word "weak" here to refer to numbers only.) Give them the number they need to actually burn down the Hugos, which Vox originally wanted to do anyway.

I don't know which one it is. It could be neither. I doubt the SJW's put much thought into what Vox's game plan is, at any rate, judging by the fact that the stuff they yammer on about him is nonsense.

Blogger Wayne Earl August 02, 2015 7:36 PM  

I believe Genesis 19 describes what in a very tiny, mustard seed like way is coming to pass.

Blogger Groot August 03, 2015 12:49 AM  

@138. VFM bot #188:
"This is gonna be nothing but FUN."

Oh, yeah. "Was he wearing a parachute?" "No. No, he wasn't."

Blogger bruce August 03, 2015 2:59 PM  

@Pyrrhus- 'Some of think Riding the Red Horse was the best mil-SF anthology ever.'

Very possibly.Top Four: Gordon Dickson's Combat SF, Hammer's Slammers, The Survival of Freedom and There will be War combined, Riding the Red Horse. Harry Harrison's There Won't Be War failed as a return of serve because Harry weren't no Jerry, but I'd still like to see a good left-liberal SF response to Riding the Red Horse.

I suggested on Black Gate that John O'Neil try it, but he's happy doing Black Gate. I like Black Gate, but I'd still like to see it (Wild Ape suggested Whipping the Rainbow Unicorn as a title). Get a left-libertarian hacker as smart as Eric Raymond to do nonfiction paired with fiction. Good Luck! Then again, Eric might be happy to do a left-leaning piece. Get left mundanes as smart as William Lind and Marin van Crevald to do nonfiction- David North, Paul Krugman, Fidel Castro have plenty of published columns to cherry-pick, and might do something new for you. Al Sharpton could do invaluable work describing the shift in American race-riot protection racketeering from Irish to Black across the twentieth century, and I'd sure like to know how he thinks they will go in the 21st. NK Jemison could do a story on a wise, noble race racketeer- a subject dear to her heart might inspire her to some woodshedding. After all, she'd be a more effective activist if she had the chops to write in the Anderson Heinlein Niven Pournelle Zelazny tradition. The Castro brothers have run an effective secret police that's got a country for a half-century, and an article by Fidel on Homeland Security accustoming the citizens to random strip searches every time they fly would be very informative. Ken Macleod could do a story about a wise, noble chekist Skorpion advising the Bureau of Homeland Security. ( Ken Macleod's space opera is just awful, but The Resurrection Game did a great wise, noble chekist who can't stand to hear Stalin badmouthed.) Bruce Sterling might be enticed back into SF for a story about brave, noble ATF agents grabbing America's gun-owners. Ask for Charles Stross- the only remaining lefty with real SF chops, if you ignore his snoozer space opera.

Judging by Tor's SF anthologies, I assume they retired the last editor with good SF chops a decade ago. So it's up to Castalia House! Since most liberals are scared of VD cooties, you need a buffer from the hard left for editor. Send Ken Macleod a letter offering to publish this. Worst case, he assumes it's concern trolling and ignores you. (Hypothetical worst case: they do this anthology so well it makes Riding the Red Horse look bad. Considering left-liberal SF chops, this isn't the biggest risk you've run in life). Give them a chance to whip you, VD!

Blogger Tim Lieder August 05, 2015 1:43 AM  

No. You're just a bunch of sad fuckers spinning your wheels and thumping your chests.

And damn, VD, have you even READ your own writing. It's fucking terrible. It's just awful.

Blogger VFM bot #188 August 05, 2015 7:50 AM  

(Stands silently, gazing around with disinterest at nothing in particular.)

The Supreme Dark Evil Overlord of Evilness has ordered his vile, faceless minions to ignore trolls and assholes (but one repeats oneself).

(Picks a twig off a nearby poisonwood bush, sticks it in his mouth, shifts it from one side to another. Looks into the distance contemplatively, puts hands in pockets, rocking back and forth, heels to toes, heels to toes. Still looking into the distance, starts whistling.)

Blogger JCclimber August 05, 2015 3:31 PM  

Ya know, SJWs always lie, so sooner or later they will always trip themselves up and it is our job to mock them and utterly refute their worldview using the rhetorical model, not the dialectical one which is our own natural model.
So, you can ignore, but you can also use as target practice.

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