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Tuesday, September 29, 2015

A non-nation of non-Americans

Better hope that trusty Magic Dirt continues to exert its amazing transformational power. The Pew Research Center releases a report on post-1965 immigration to the United States.
Fifty years after passage of the landmark law that rewrote U.S. immigration policy, nearly 59 million immigrants have arrived in the United States, pushing the country’s foreign-born share to a near record 14%. For the past half-century, these modern-era immigrants and their descendants have accounted for just over half the nation’s population growth and have reshaped its racial and ethnic composition.

Looking ahead, new Pew Research Center U.S. population projections show that if current demographic trends continue, future immigrants and their descendants will be an even bigger source of population growth. Between 2015 and 2065, they are projected to account for 88% of the U.S. population increase, or 103 million people, as the nation grows to 441 million.
In other words, the country - one can no longer credibly refer to the USA as a "nation" - will belong to their posterity. Not yours. And it will not be at all surprising if those new "Americans" harbor even less allegiance to the U.S. Constitution than we, our parents, and our grandparents have demonstrated by betraying the very purpose of that document.

That's the problem with "a propositional nation". Changing the population changes the proposition and pretty soon, the "nation" is no more.

I very much doubt those "current demographic trends" will continue. Remember, most of those homogeneous nations originally came out of heterogeneous nations. History has a harsh way of ensuring that the nations remain largely homogeneous, one way or another.

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Blogger Gaiseric ! September 29, 2015 8:11 AM  

Sorta related: nation-statism as an ideology continues to rise: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34372548

Of course, it doesn't hurt that Spain is leaning on the crutch of the relatively more economically successful Catalonia region to prod the Catalans to start to think that they've had enough of Madrid already.

Blogger Hammerli280 September 29, 2015 8:18 AM  

I've long thought that all those "predictions" were based on some VERY questionable assumptions.

Me? Pity I'm not running for President. My policy would be to expel the illegals, followed by a severe cut in legal immigration and firing up the old American Melting Pot to full heat.

Blogger DadOfTen September 29, 2015 8:32 AM  

If the newcomers aren't kept out, then we will have to educate them in American values. Good thing we have all those gummint schools. If we can just keep the SJWs out of teaching positions....

Blogger VFM 188 September 29, 2015 8:33 AM  

My policy...firing up the old American Melting Pot to full heat.

But query: Will the Melting Pot work for population cohorts that have no interest in assimilating, and in fact actively oppose it?

Blogger The Original Hermit September 29, 2015 8:39 AM  

@4 If we started actively and visibly deporting illegals and anchors, I have a strong feeling that the native population will become very enthusiastic in its nationalism, making it very, very uncomfortable for those that won't assimilate.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan September 29, 2015 8:43 AM  

It does seem ideology requires at some point magic thinking. Anyway it would be fun to read a cuckservative like Chubly to explain in an intellectual manner the Magic Borders Theory. He won't be able to and my guess within a short time he would resort to "racist, sexist and homophobic."

Blogger skiballa September 29, 2015 8:46 AM  

Exactly that VFM 188, if we're to turn our melting pot into a crucible to make a stronger alloy, it won't do to add materials that won't alloy or materials that will weaken the whole. I would think, in such cases, skimming the slag that rises to the surface would be desirable.

Blogger Jourdan September 29, 2015 8:49 AM  

The most significant fact about these numbers is that it is now beyond clear that there will not be any major repatriation, deportation or a return to the status quo ante within the current political system, and, even if one posits an alternative system following a change in government, moving that many millions of people would be a world-historical event, unprecedented in history.

We fully missed our chance to stop this. Now, the only way forward is a new homeland in North America, sundered from these people.

Blogger Daniel September 29, 2015 9:07 AM  

Moving millions of people is in no way unprecedented. We move that much in livestock every day.

It isn't ability; it is will. And will changes.

Blogger JartStar September 29, 2015 9:13 AM  

What are the best historical parallels to our situation in the USA?

Blogger Joel #0164 September 29, 2015 9:20 AM  

What are the best historical parallels to our situation in the USA?

Operation Wetback

One million deported by only 750 agents.

As Daniel said, the only thing that stops us is a lack of will.

Blogger JP September 29, 2015 9:25 AM  

What are the best historical parallels to our situation in the USA?

The rise and fall of the Roman empire.

Blogger JohnG September 29, 2015 9:25 AM  

I don't see it lasting that long, the financial mess has to give sometime.

Blogger VFM 188 September 29, 2015 9:31 AM  

For those above who think the Melting Pot can be fired up again, consider this: The elites who run America don't believe in assimilation. They regard America and its history as a source of shame. To them, therefore, anyone who seeks to assimilate is foolish, evil, or both. (Those elites, by the way, are rich, educated, powerful, and white.)

Blogger daddynichol September 29, 2015 9:38 AM  

Moving millions of people is in no way unprecedented. We move that much in livestock every day.

The airlines do that daily as well and we bus millions of kids to and from school twice a day, so moving millions can be done. To encourage the relocation efforts,direct social services only to verified US citizens who are elderly, widowed or orphans. The parasites will have to look elsewhere.

Blogger Cail Corishev September 29, 2015 9:42 AM  

Moving millions of people is in no way unprecedented. We move that much in livestock every day.

Yeah, someone pointed out the number of children who are hauled by school buses every day. Granted, most of them only go several miles, but they're hauled both ways day after day.

So as soon as the school year ends, start putting deportees on school buses and taking them for a field trip to Tijuana. Figure one week round-trip for the bus, hauling 40 people per trip, 200,000 buses (there are more than twice that many, but you gotta keep a few around for summer school and sports trips), you'd be done in a month.

Logistics aren't a problem. Will is the problem.

Blogger VFM 188 September 29, 2015 9:46 AM  

If the decision were made to repatriate, it could and would be done in a humane and order way. As soon as the program began, illegals would begin moving back to their home country voluntarily. (Which way would you rather move back to Mexico, by being arrested and dumped on the other side of the border, or by moving yourself and your family with your possessions back to your home town or village?)

The ones remaining---those who refuse to move voluntarily---will be found out over time. They will be the criminals and bad actors, and will be treated more forcefully, e.g. permanently barred from entering the U.S. again, on pain of real penalty.

Blogger VFM 188 September 29, 2015 9:52 AM  

Logistics aren't a problem. Will is the problem.

Well then grab Will by the neck and slap him around until he damn well agrees to it.

Blogger Hammerli280 September 29, 2015 9:55 AM  

@4 VFM188:

We can get the American Melting Pot working. The chief trick is to refuse to accommodate the immigrant after a certain period.

As for the Multi-Culti Hate-Mongers, we slag them out in the Melting Pot, too. Point out to the general public that these people are undermining the nation. As Vox has mentioned, the United States is NOT an ethnically unified nation. All we have is a shared culture...and that's not a 100% thing over a continent-spanning state. Which means that the national culture must be carefully nurtured. This was done up until the 1970s.

These days? The Multi-Culti Hate-Mongers are pitting everyone against his neighbor for political profit.

Blogger Hammerli280 September 29, 2015 10:01 AM  

And the repatriation logistics are pretty straightforward. The only question is whether to deport just over the border...or to the southernmost port of entry in the country of origin.

The way I see this being implemented, legislation would be passed to expel illegals. Illegals would be given a fixed time (say 30 days) to self-identify to the Government, followed by a reasonable period (~90 days) to clear up their affairs and move out. Illegals who do so may take their property, and are eligible for legal immigration.

Illegals who do NOT self-identify, or overstay their expulsion date, would have all goods and funds confiscated, and be returned to their country of origin in a manner, and at a place, of the United States' choosing. That means dropping them off at a southern port with nothing more than the clothes on their backs. And they would NOT be eligible for legal entry on any pretext...we would take biometric information, if caught again they would be subject to immediate execution as terrorists.

Blogger Were-Puppy September 29, 2015 10:05 AM  

The main separatist alliance and a smaller nationalist
party won 72 seats in the 135-seat regional parliament.

However, the pro-independence parties fell just short of getting 50% of the vote, winning 1.9 million out of 4 million ballots cast.
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What is the significance of the "however..." part? They have gained over 50% of the seats. So is it important at all that 47ish percent voted for them?

Blogger Were-Puppy September 29, 2015 10:07 AM  

@1 Gaiseric !
Sorta related: nation-statism as an ideology continues to rise: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34372548

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Sorry, meant that question directed at the first post link.

Blogger The Original Hermit September 29, 2015 10:09 AM  

@20 I posted several weeks back something very similar. The only differences would be to include a tattoo on one cheek, and a brand on the other. And to pack them like sardines into a shipping container, and dump them onto an island on the south coast of Mexico.

Blogger Jourdan September 29, 2015 10:13 AM  

Logistics and actual physical possibility is an interesting question, but it's not relevant to my point.

My point was (1) the USG and the American political system are incapable of getting that done, both as a matter of adopting the policy and carrying it out.

(2) Thus, the problem cannot be solved under this national government; and

(3) Thus, a new nationalist government must be formed to administer all or a substantial part of what is now the U.S. and Canada in order to secure a European-American home in North America.

Blogger VFM 188 September 29, 2015 10:15 AM  

Jourdan: Define "all or a substantial part of" please? Specifics?

Blogger Laguna Beach Fogey September 29, 2015 10:26 AM  

I hope you're right, Vox. Is there enough White unity to keep the nation intact? I wonder.

Blogger Laguna Beach Fogey September 29, 2015 10:29 AM  

"firing up the old American Melting Pot to full heat."

No, the "Melting Pot" is precisely the wrong approach. We don't want them to assimilate. We want them to retain their cultural and racial cohesion. This will make it easier to separate and / or remove them.

OpenID basementhomebrewer September 29, 2015 10:30 AM  

If you cut social services and ruthlessly enforce the employment rules around illegal immigrants, many of them will simply leave. If there is no way for them to make a living they will self deport. For those that choose to stay and pursue a life of crime impose swift and sever punishments. That will discourage many from pursing that option. This is not a hard problem to solve as others have stated. We just lack the will.

Blogger daddynichol September 29, 2015 10:39 AM  

The current Nation leadership (both public and private), the governmental bureaucracy and a significant portion of the public are not willing to move in the direction it must in order to survive, so there will be a huge re-set at some point. EU is bubbling hot, the ME is in constant turmoil, South America is collapsing, China is restless and Russia is ready to pounce. It seems that the US will soon be embroiled in another un-civil war along racial lines and when that happens, we will be weakened and vulnerable for subjugation. Resistance will take the form of 4G warfare and will target the leaders of the SJW hordes first. Happy days. On the other hand, it may all be rainbows, kittens and puppy farts.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan September 29, 2015 10:39 AM  

You will have to disqualify the elite and their rhetoric before you start the school buses

Blogger Jourdan September 29, 2015 10:41 AM  

@25 - I'm not sure what you mean, exactly, but as a European-American nationalist I would like all of both. I think, however, there is such a substantial number of my people who believe in American exceptionalism, Constitutionalism and the U.S. as a proposition nation, that the U.S. would end up living side-by-side with this new entity.

There is no telling how it would go, of course, but an educated guess, looking at historical trends, may suppose a rump-U.S. composed of New England, New York, Penn., Ohio, Mich, northern Indiana & Ilinois, Wisc. and Minnesota, possibly in confederation with Ontario and eastern Canada.

With the (very hypothetical) nationalist territory comprised of the bulk of the Midwest, the entire South, the Mountain States, and the Pacific NW with the big question being the coastal regions of California, Oregon and Washington up through Vancouver and Victoria.

That's just a guess at how things would play out, however. While I know this conflict is coming, how it will exactly play out is anyone's guess.

Blogger Jourdan September 29, 2015 10:41 AM  

@28 - You're not paying attention: the problem isn't illegal immigration, it's LEGAL immigration.

Blogger The Other Robot September 29, 2015 10:43 AM  

This type of immigrant is not the type that anyone wants.

Blogger The Other Robot September 29, 2015 10:44 AM  

Wait a minute? Is it the Hugos again?

Blogger automatthew September 29, 2015 10:45 AM  

Declare that only citizens have protections under the law. All others are outlaws and may be shot on sight. Self deportation in a jiffy.

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 September 29, 2015 10:56 AM  

The migrant problems will be resolved one or another. If the country goes bankrupt, for instance, they will be blamed and deported, probably in a violent manner.

Of course, moving them isn't an issue. We have plenty of them in prisons all across the US. In fact, given that prisons are privatized for the most part, I would suspect that the companies behind them are encouraging mass migration in order to fill their coffers.

Blogger Chris Nelson September 29, 2015 11:08 AM  

Any large scale deportation isn't going to happen. Businesses large and small are too dependent on the cheap labor and additional business more bodies bring. Politicians are too dependent on those dollars and afraid of latino/minority backlash. Cities that try to enforce laws that the feds and the states will not, get slapped down in court and lose millions in legal fees. (See Farmers Branch, Tx)

The people in power and those that fund them want a cheap labor class. It also allows a scapegoat that the legal lower and middle class can demonize, while not realizing that the elites have caused the problem in the first place.

Those in power get almost all of the benefits of illegals and very few of the problems. Instead of dealing with the fiscal inequality and working class wage stagnation, they are trying to incite a race war through the media.

Blogger The Other Robot September 29, 2015 11:23 AM  

Politicians are too dependent on those dollars and afraid of latino/minority backlash.

What backlash?

As Steve Sailer has pointed out, Latinos don't vote.

Only blacks vote and only when there is a black pol to vote for.

Blogger RobertT September 29, 2015 11:42 AM  

Too bad, so sad. Time to suck it up and start fighting back. I read Trump is this, and Trump is that. But none of it matters compared to what he says. Yes he could be lying to us, but if he isn't, we've got a winner. Nobody else is even pretending.

Blogger Chris Nelson September 29, 2015 11:43 AM  

Enough latinos vote and protest to cause issues, especially in states with a high enough population. And there's enough others to defend those that don't.

Come live in a border state and experience the fun!

Blogger SciVo September 29, 2015 11:46 AM  

To anybody who thinks repatriation is impossible: exactly how many planeloads of Mexicans do you think we would have to dump in Somalia before the rest would handle their travel arrangements themselves?

OpenID Steve September 29, 2015 12:02 PM  

The people in power and those that fund them want a cheap labor class

There is nothing cheap about illegal aliens. It only appears that way because their costs are subsidized by taxpayers, citizens and those forced by law to do business with them. Ponzi schemes only work when new people add more value.

As Steve Sailer has pointed out, Latinos don't vote

That's because a large amount of them are illegal. Florida found thousands of non citizens had voted when they compared jury duty notices that said they couldn't serve due to not being citizens to the voter records.

This type of immigrant is not the type that anyone wants.

Mexicans usually do stuff like that when blacks rape their women, both jobs white people won't do.

What backlash? That $8 billion in aid to Israel that comes back as bribes to politicians.

"firing up the old American Melting Pot to full heat."

The melting pot worked when 1/3 of immigrants when home because there was no welfare for the failures, now we get nothing but failures. Ellis island would send back Europeans for just having a cough. Clinton was willing to have armed men raid a home to take Elion Gonzales away because only the productive flee Cuba.
-BGS

Blogger collisioncat67 September 29, 2015 12:40 PM  

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Hip, smart, young "minorities" wearing their coffee shop casual attire and brandishing iphones.
Coming up with fresh, ingenious solutions to problems that have vexed stupid white guy for eons.

Unencumbered by archaic and outdated traditions and beliefs, they create and transform all for the better.
Why thank you all you vibrants, differently sexuals, and diversies for giving us that inspired vision.

Blogger Geoff September 29, 2015 12:49 PM  

With the (very hypothetical) nationalist territory comprised of the bulk of the Midwest, the entire South, the Mountain States, and the Pacific NW with the big question being the coastal regions of California, Oregon and Washington up through Vancouver and Victoria.

Jourdan, the Left coast could probably be its own country, including everything west of the Rockies from Kalifornia up through BC. Call it the People's Republic of Cascades.

But I'm not sure I would want to give up all that ocean front property!

Blogger Anonymous Robot September 29, 2015 12:50 PM  

Wait a minute? Is it the Hugos again?

There are more pedophiles in Hollywood than the Priesthood, I suspect.

Blogger Geoff September 29, 2015 1:16 PM  

Make that the People's Republic of Cascadia

Blogger FrankNorman September 29, 2015 1:32 PM  

Just been reading some Isaiah. Specifically, chapter 7 verse 8 - the prediction that the northern kingdom of Israel would be "too shattered to be called a nation" within 65 years.

The military conquest of said kingdom by the Assyrian king Sennacherib happened earlier than that, but it was the actions of his heir Esarhaddon that really finished them off - he had the Israelites deported and scattered, then settled their land with other peoples from all over his empire.

It seemed quite relevant to me, in relation to what I'd just been reading about here.

Blogger Joshua_D September 29, 2015 1:42 PM  

According to my cursory review, the Mexican Government actually supported Operation Wetback. I'm not sure that would be the case today, which raises the question, "To where, exactly, would the US deport illegals?"

Would the Feds just drive them to the border, and tell them to walk across? Would we put them on planes headed for their home countries? How would that work. This is a serious question.

OpenID corvinus333 September 29, 2015 1:58 PM  

Jourdan, the Left coast could probably be its own country, including everything west of the Rockies from Kalifornia up through BC. Call it the People's Republic of Cascades.

It's so full of hippies and bleeding-hearts it's ridiculous. Even the more masculine-seeming men from those areas appear to be ardent leftoids. If the Left Coast was its own country, it would probably be full of Afro-Muslim "refugees" in about 20 years.

OpenID Steve September 29, 2015 2:00 PM  

which raises the question, "To where, exactly, would the US deport illegals?"

I say we should let people who have had loved ones killed by illegal alien drunk drivers decide. I am pretty sure if we send them to hell they wont cross the border again.
-bgs

Blogger Alexander September 29, 2015 2:08 PM  

According to my cursory review, the Mexican Government actually supported Operation Wetback. I'm not sure that would be the case today, which raises the question, "To where, exactly, would the US deport illegals?"

This is very easy.

When we get to the point where the American population en masse wants to throw illegals out, we will have gone way past the tipping point of a moderate solution.

If these people of lucky, there will be a grace window where benefits are cut off, ultimatums are made, and they have a period to leave to wherever they want to go without hindrance.

If they are not lucky, or if they refuse to believe the grace period has teeth behind it, then the US Army will simply roll over the Rio Grande, establish a buffer zone within Mexico, and proceed to dump everyone into it and make it clear that the only way to go is south.

Not Mexican? No longer our problem.

Blogger rws September 29, 2015 2:25 PM  

Geoff @46

It should actually be People's Democratic Republic of Cascadia to properly reflect it's ultra left wing philosophy.

Blogger Geoff September 29, 2015 2:31 PM  

rws@52 Good call. A secession of the Left Coast would also significantly reduce the "diversity" problem.

Blogger Rantor September 29, 2015 2:31 PM  

Read today, Germans being evicted and properties stolen by the state to make room for immigrants. Won't happen here though...

Blogger Jourdan September 29, 2015 2:33 PM  

You guys keep talking about illegals. They are a subset of the larger problem. The question is: what is to be done about U.S. citizens, lawfully admitted and lawfully naturalized, who make up that record number.

Blogger Rantor September 29, 2015 2:35 PM  

@Frank Norman... It seems to me the Chaldeans are invading Europe, and they will be like locusts in the land. I am not so sure as to how to describe the invasion of USA... But an invasion it is

Blogger Alexander September 29, 2015 2:36 PM  

@55

You keep assuming that 'reasonable' will be an issue.

What will be 'done about it' is what has been done in history. One group will either be killed off, or exiled, or the land partitioned.

That's what will be done this this time round. Lawfully admitted and lawfully naturalized won't play any role in the process.

Blogger Jourdan September 29, 2015 2:38 PM  

Okay, but then we're talking about two different issues. I agree with you for when it comes to blows. I was speaking about USG's response and the range of its possible responses.

Blogger Alexander September 29, 2015 2:45 PM  

@58

The USG's response is to aid and abet the invaders.

But fair enough, I know what you're really asking: assuming a us gov. friendly to its ethno-nationalist majority, what actions could they take and still maintain some semblance of constitutional law as we recognize it.

1. Ban dual citizenship.
2. Make English official language, require it for all benefits and assistance.
3. Don't allow families to chain migrate.
4. Harshly punish those breaking immigration law.
5. Remove barriers for social pressure: allow businesses to refuse service or employment for any reason, including race, religion, national origin, etc. etc.

Lots of 'natural' citizens will depart if they are forced to cut the safety rope of citizenship back to their homeland, or recognize that they aren't going to bring the rest of the family with them. Or won't get cash and prizes for being here.

Blogger Were-Puppy September 29, 2015 2:59 PM  

@51 Alexander

If they are not lucky, or if they refuse to believe the grace period has teeth behind it, then the US Army will simply roll over the Rio Grande, establish a buffer zone within Mexico, and proceed to dump everyone into it and make it clear that the only way to go is south.
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If things get to that point, why stop there?

Blogger Were-Puppy September 29, 2015 3:02 PM  

@59 Alexander

You forgot anchor babies in that list,

Blogger Gaiseric ! September 29, 2015 3:39 PM  

@60. If things get to that point, why stop there?

Indeed. I'm coming around slowly to favor rolling back the border, and offering settlement/asylum to any western/northern Europeans who have been betrayed by their leadership and put in harms way by the invading Muslim horde and who wish to have a new start. Set up a buffer state along the Rio Grande populated by Brits, Germans and Scandinavians. Think there'd be any takers?

As to the question of why stop there; because we really aren't interested in conquering Mexico. What's in it for us that we could possibly actually want?

Blogger Josh September 29, 2015 4:08 PM  

With the (very hypothetical) nationalist territory comprised of the bulk of the Midwest, the entire South, the Mountain States, and the Pacific NW with the big question being the coastal regions of California, Oregon and Washington up through Vancouver and Victoria.

Why in the hell do you think the South would want to be part of that?

Blogger Gaiseric ! September 29, 2015 4:23 PM  

According to my cursory review, the Mexican Government actually supported Operation Wetback. I'm not sure that would be the case today, which raises the question, "To where, exactly, would the US deport illegals?"

Would the Feds just drive them to the border, and tell them to walk across? Would we put them on planes headed for their home countries? How would that work. This is a serious question.


Yes, actually. Just dump them in Tijuana. Who cares of the Mexican government supports it? Their occupation and invasion of our country so that their citizens can take plunder from Americans and send it back to Mexico is a prolonged act of war. Mexico is clearly our most important geopolitical opponent. Who cares if they're on board with our plan to give them back their footsoldiers?

Blogger Jourdan September 29, 2015 4:26 PM  

@63 - As I said, it's just a guess. A new Southern state is certainly a possibility.

Blogger FALPhil September 29, 2015 4:39 PM  

@62

No.

Why would I want to give a bunch of navel-gazing collectivists asylum in my country? If they don't like being betrayed by their leadership and put in harm's way by the invading Muslim horde, let them do something about it. Under your plan, we will see the same thing that happens in Washington state and Colorado with the Californian migrants. - they leave California complaining about the high taxes and when they get to their new state, they vote themselves more taxes. Just like they did in California.

Leave 'em across the pond.

Blogger Student in Blue September 29, 2015 5:12 PM  

@automatthew
Declare that only citizens have protections under the law. All others are outlaws and may be shot on sight. Self deportation in a jiffy.

Citizens, and those with unexpired visas. It wouldn't do to *completely* kill what's left of the US's tourism industry.

Blogger Student in Blue September 29, 2015 5:16 PM  

@Jourdan
Re: One big non-Liberal nation:
Consider this.

Blogger BunE22 September 29, 2015 5:21 PM  

@59

"5. Remove barriers for social pressure: allow businesses to refuse service or employment for any reason, including race, religion, national origin, etc. etc."

Couldn't that backfire? If SJWs have infiltrated HR they could not hire, or fire, whites/christians/males. They would love to be able to do that.

Blogger Hunsdon September 29, 2015 5:29 PM  

@69.

More of us.

Blogger SirHamster (#201) September 29, 2015 5:32 PM  

Couldn't that backfire? If SJWs have infiltrated HR they could not hire, or fire, whites/christians/males. They would love to be able to do that.

Short term, maybe. But long term, SJWs are parasites and can't build or maintain institutions. That's why they're good at weaseling into existing organizations, rather than starting their own.

Be aware of the short term risks, but act for the long term rewards.

Blogger Geoff September 29, 2015 6:20 PM  

SIB@68, that map is a thing of beauty.

The Midlands area excepted.

OpenID Steve September 29, 2015 10:11 PM  

@59 2. Make English official language, require it for all benefits and assistance.

Education realist calls for removing ESL. "So here’s the dirty secret of ELL classification: Students fluent in English who are nonetheless classified as ELL are unlikely to ever reach that goal, because the classification tests are capturing cognitive ability and confusing it with language learning... Long-term ELLs in high school, fluent in English but not in writing or reading, are simply of below average intellect. That’s not a crime. ...85% manderin speakers test out by 6th grade."

Blogger Danby September 29, 2015 11:03 PM  

Sorry, but the inter-mountain West is not part of the Left Coast. Eastern WA, Eastern OR, ID and large parts of Northern CA are far more freedom-oriented and conservative than the Midwest or even the South. They're simply outvoted by the big cites on the coast. It's really a completely different culture from the coastal areas, both politically and socially.

Blogger Danby September 29, 2015 11:13 PM  

Couldn't that backfire? If SJWs have infiltrated HR they could not hire, or fire, whites/christians/males. They would love to be able to do that.

What on Earth makes you think they don't already? I certainly see it all the time. It's called "Affirmative Action" Which is a euphemism for "Whitey need not apply". i kno win my profession, a woman or Black who applies will always be hired in preference to a White man. Fortunately for me, Whites seem the on vast majority of those with the ability to do the job.

Blogger Student in Blue September 29, 2015 11:22 PM  

@Danby
Sorry, but the inter-mountain West is not part of the Left Coast. Eastern WA, Eastern OR, ID and large parts of Northern CA are far more freedom-oriented and conservative than the Midwest or even the South.

That sounds like the map that I linked before.

Hmmm...

Blogger Red Bane September 30, 2015 6:01 AM  

You can't create a nation with a flowery and idealistic document or an act of Congress. America was a secular experiment based on shifting sands, both in terms of the abandonment of old world western thought and culture , and the denial of man's ontological and true spiritual nature. I'm surprised it lasted this long. The Civil war was a glaring reminder of the craven nature of men bereft of true morality.No document, excepting the Bible, properly interpreted and manifested in daily life, could have prevented such carnage.

In any case, all Christians know that their patrimony is 'not of this world' . If men returned to honorable living, we would see a return to an ordered society. The explicitly secular goals of the American way could never really sustain such a society. It is pure vanity to believe so

Blogger VFM 188 September 30, 2015 7:08 AM  

@#76: Speaking of linking to maps, and a potential non-SJW polity...

Blogger Gaiseric ! September 30, 2015 8:11 AM  

@66 FALPhil: How do you confuse "buffer state" with "our country?"

Also, it really puts the EU leadership on the spot that we even offer it.

Blogger Rez Zircon September 30, 2015 1:17 PM  

@20 Hammerli280 -- I like your idea here. Give illegals time to get out gracefully (such a method being less disruptive to everyone else), a route to become Americans should they really wish to assimilate, and a serious penalty if they don't.

I had a similar notion, but -- we'll still need that wall at the border. Who better to build it than illegal immigrants? If they really want to become legal residents, they can demonstrate their willingness to defend America by a year at hard labor helping build that wall. (Put Sheriff Joe Arpaio in charge of the facility, no point spending a fortune on it.) No need for security southbound -- if someone wishes to "escape" they need only return to Mexico. If they later change their minds... well, the year at hard labor starts over at zero.

I think the reason most Americans really don't see the problem with illegal immigration is because the majority of the country hasn't been exposed to its effects. Northerners are used to the border with the 51st state, where you smile and wave at the token Canadian guard, and culturally it really doesn't matter which side of the border you're on because the U.S. and Canada are functionally the same culture. So there's a tendency to believe that immigration can't be harmful and after all we should help our fellow man, especially the disadvantaged and those fleeing oppression. I know that's the attitude I grew up with in Montana, in spitting distance of Canada but a thousand miles from the Mexican border.

Then I moved to Southern California... and saw firsthand what illegal immigration was doing to America, and to American values. Having spent 28 years in proximity to this cultural decay, now I'm all for gun turrets at the border.

I've since moved back to Montana, and I still fail to see why we need any "security" whatsoever between the U.S. and Canada; if anything, the new spasm of border posts insults both of us (at a fairly high cost; I once figured out that the minor border posts, used mainly by local farmers, cost taxpayers about $1500 per individual crossing). But between the U.S. and Mexico, we definitely need a wall, the more secure the better.

Blogger justaguy September 30, 2015 2:17 PM  

"Of course this 1965 immigration act will not change the ethnic make-up of the United States" said Ted Kennedy and the Dems. Now that the Dems have imported enough third world new citizens to out-vote the old fashioned and European ethnicity Americans (the large majority of people born in the US before 1970 are conservative), add illegal alien anchor baby growth, and the 62% European background citizens can't control the direction of the country without a super-majority of their ethnicity. Samuel Huntington had it right in his "Who Are We?" book in early 2004.

Basically, by the time the Boomers (myself included) woke-up, we couldn't vote to win for our interests and it was too late. The greatest generation that foisted this predicament on us believed our own propaganda myths about melting pot and the American way. Instead of fairy tale ending we are left with the late 14th century Europe instead. Sorry to be fatalistic, but the next generations (millennial and later) will have to bootstrap themselves if they are to maintain civilization.

The generation that "saved civilization in WWII" killed it once in power by delusions of grandeur; the next generation enjoyed the decline in ignorance and hard work; and the millennials will have to decide whether to build up or continue the fall. One takes work, one is lazy... I only see the lazy solution happening.

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