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Thursday, September 24, 2015

An America in decline

The results of this poll are hardly surprising:
Americans are “fed up” with politics, suspect the wealthy are getting an unfair edge, and think the country is going in the wrong direction, according to a new Bloomberg Politics poll that lays bare the depth and breadth of the discontents propelling outsider candidates in the Republican presidential field.

The survey shows that 72 percent of Americans think their country isn't as great as it once was—a central theme of front-runner Donald Trump's campaign. More than a third prefer a presidential candidate without experience in public office.
America isn't as great as it once was. Among other things, it isn't as smart as it once was. That is because it is no longer a predominantly European nation; based on U.S. demographic changes, my estimate (and it is a generous, conservative one), is that the average IQ in America declined from 100.6 in 1960 to 98.3 in 2010. Based on the increased rate of immigration since 2010, the average IQ has probably declined further to around 98.1, for a net decline of 2.5 points.

It certainly explains a lot about the dumbing down of everything from television to computer games.

This 2.5-point decline is consistent with the size of IQ declines observed in other nations, such as the United Kingdom and Denmark, which have reported declining IQs as a result of immigration. Immigration does not intrinsically "strengthen" a nation, it totally depends upon a) who the immigrants are, and b) how they subsequently behave. In the case of the post-1965 USA, it has indubitably been weakened by it.

The simple fact of the matter is that post-1965 immigration has made America stupider and quite literally below its historical average. And based on the current youth demographics, we can expect the average American IQ to further decline to below 96.5 by 2050.

So much for the inevitability of human progress. It is probably not a coincidence that the concept became popular during the period of European expansion.

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136 Comments:

Blogger Josh September 24, 2015 3:21 PM  

Brawndo for president.

It's got what plants crave

Blogger Josh September 24, 2015 3:28 PM  

And while a majority of 54 percent say they're moving closer, not further away, from their hopes for their career and/or finances, there are other indications of simmering economic discontents: a much larger majority—70 percent—say they see the gap between rich and everyone else as getting bigger. And 73 percent say that the tax code should be reformed so the wealthy pay proportionately more than middle-class people, a theme that's been picked up by candidates running the ideological gamut from Trump to Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders in the Democratic race.

Blogger Alexander September 24, 2015 3:33 PM  

Yeah but you have got to try the new Ethiopian restaurant that just opened up. Didn't have those in your day, did they grandpops!?

It shocks me that it doesn't shock me to see my peers raving about a place where you can eat from communal bowls with your hands like a savage. At least it's not raw: that's the only observable advancement we've kept (so far) over cavemen.

Blogger Daniel September 24, 2015 3:36 PM  

My ex-wife was 'tarded. She's a pilot now.

Blogger Dexter September 24, 2015 3:43 PM  

So what does the (supposed) spiritual leader of Christendom advocate?

MOAR SAVAGES!!!

Because compassion, or something.

Blogger David The Good September 24, 2015 3:52 PM  

No wonder books on marijuana keep beating out my offerings in the rankings. Maybe it's time to write a book on pot. In Spanish.

OpenID corvinus333 September 24, 2015 3:53 PM  

There's a reason the cuckservatives at Fox tried to kill Idiocracy: They were triggered up the wazoo.

Blogger Bill September 24, 2015 3:53 PM  

If we mandated something like e-Verify, rolled back about 20 years of welfare progress, and instituted voter ID I think we'd be good in another decade. I really don't think we need big structural changes to get back on track. Our debt is INSANE, and we have an immigration problem. I don't think either of these is really fatal - yet.

Doing something about the Banksters means electing people that are not part of the political class (don't think this means Trump, but he's the closest we've got right now).

Blogger Owen September 24, 2015 3:55 PM  

So what does the (supposed) spiritual leader of Christendom advocate?

MOAR SAVAGES!!!

Because compassion, or something.


Must be easy to immigrate to the Holy See, given that philosophy.

Blogger Alexander September 24, 2015 4:03 PM  

@8

It's not that I'd say you're wrong in theory, but that societies don't make small fixes: they fuck up until they get a great big kick in the pants.

And some major structural changes are in the cards. Europe, one way or another, is going to abandon secular government and religious tolerance. Too late for anything else. The west, whoever runs it, is going to severely curtail free speech and expression: either to eliminate the fifth column that is currently allowed to prosper within it, or as the final lap of the existing SJW dominated purge.

There are other examples as well. Your hopes for moderation would make it a smoother ride for all involved, but we'll get there in the end.

Blogger Josh September 24, 2015 4:07 PM  

Doing something about the Banksters means electing people that are not part of the political class (don't think this means Trump, but he's the closest we've got right now).

Would Trump End The Fed?

OpenID Steve September 24, 2015 4:07 PM  

Griods cry racism when whites won't willingly have sex with them. Of course they don't want to date blacks either.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/09/09/no-blacks-is-not-a-sexual-preference-it-s-racism.html

There's a reason the cuckservatives at Fox tried to kill Idiocracy: They were triggered up the wazoo.

At least Elysium showed us not to leave a white male behind on earth to do what the savages can't.
-BGS

Blogger Hammerli280 September 24, 2015 4:10 PM  

@8 Bill:
I think you're right. Institute a no-welfare-without-contraception rule, and we can get things really set to rights.

I'm 52, and this is the angriest I've seen the electorate since around 1980. The big problem is that the GOP Establishment has been strangling its potential Reagans in the cradle for over a decade. In 1980, we had Ronald Reagan - who, as a two-term governor of California, was a very credible Presidential candidate who retained impeccable outsider credentials. Gingrich became Speaker of the House in 1994 as a conservative revolutionary, not a go-along-to-get-along type.

The nearest thing we have to that these days is Ted Cruz. Trump, Carson, and Fiorina all share the same vulnerability - they have no experience in elective office. And it will count against them when people start voting.

Blogger Floyd Looney September 24, 2015 4:11 PM  

I will only vote for a conservative, I would stay home if there is none on the ballot.

Trump has always been a supporter of the left, he won't fool everyone. The Media is giving him 75% of the coverage because he is their new "Maverick" John McCain. Someone totally beatable next November.

Blogger Floyd Looney September 24, 2015 4:12 PM  

@11 spending a career buying political favors makes you an outsider, on what planet

Blogger Josh September 24, 2015 4:13 PM  

The nearest thing we have to that these days is Ted Cruz.

Cruz has gay clown face and his wife is a vampire squid.

Blogger Josh September 24, 2015 4:14 PM  

@11 spending a career buying political favors makes you an outsider, on what planet

Why don't you want to Make America Great Again?

Blogger Aeoli Pera September 24, 2015 4:30 PM  

@10, Alexander

It's not that I'd say you're wrong in theory, but that societies don't make small fixes: they fuck up until they get a great big kick in the pants.

Aeoli Pera's first law of psychology is that all people, regardless of IQ, will converge to the point of stupidity that causes them to feel unbearable anxiety.

Blogger Jourdan September 24, 2015 4:33 PM  

Hello, I am the Pope.

I am from a famous and laughable failure of a country, that once was considered a rival of the United States with regard to raw potential.

I am now the head of a big church, with billions in Renaissance Art and hundreds of millions in the bank.

I also live in my own country, located in Rome.

Neither my country nor the country I now lead can help immigrants.

The United States can, and must, or else it is a failure by it's own standards. MLK. Dorothy Day. Lincoln. Selma. Social Justice.

Take more immigrants. (We can't have empty pews).

It would make me sad if the U.S. were to behave like my two countries and put its own interests first.

Thank you.

Blogger Bill September 24, 2015 4:36 PM  

@13 Blogger Hammerli280
About the same age, here. And I agree, I've not seen this kind of "Throw the bums out", "Burn it all down", "Eff you and the horse you sodomized on the way in", kind of attitude. There's always been a few outliers making those kinds of noises, but nothing like what I see now.

Welfare is a huge problem. There are SO MANY freaking loopholes (girl drops a kid, girl's mother adopts kid, gets $1,500 per month per adopted kid - multiply by five girls each having five kids - SCORE!) We need to start by instituting programs that encourage (force? ok, let's talk) marriage instead of single-motherhood. We need to reverse the decline of the black (and poor white) family and get rid of Thug Culture. There have been lots of ways proffered to do all this, I'd start with making Thomas Sowell head of HHS.

Blogger Badmojo September 24, 2015 4:38 PM  

I watched Idiocracy for the first time a couple weeks ago. It felt a little too much like a documentary at times. :(

Blogger James Dixon September 24, 2015 4:44 PM  

> Someone totally beatable next November.

By Hillary or Sanders? Yeah, right.

Blogger Bill September 24, 2015 4:45 PM  

I see things are heating up in Germany...
http://overpassesforamerica.com/?p=16228

What they really need are some spiffy uniforms.

Blogger Sheila4g September 24, 2015 4:51 PM  

@8 Bill -
According to official statistics, the elementary student population is projected to be about 50 million this year. Of those, just under half (24.7%) are White (and this includes, as usual, various "White" hispanics, Persians, Indians, and Jews). About 8 million are black and about 13 million hispanic. Of course, I don't believe the official statistics; reality is usually far worse.

You can cut off all welfare. You can stop all immigration today. You can make whatever little changes you wish. Without massive deportation, America as you might have known or imagined it is dead and gone. Culture is an expression of IQ and genetics. Demography is destiny.

Blogger IsMishe September 24, 2015 5:01 PM  

Canada is next, if they aren't already.

Blogger JartStar September 24, 2015 5:02 PM  

Welfare (and now Obamacare) punishes married couples too, costing a couple thousands so it explicitly encourages women not to marry her children's father if she is on it.

Blogger Bill September 24, 2015 5:05 PM  

@24 Blogger Sheila4g

You can cut off all welfare. You can stop all immigration today. You can make whatever little changes you wish. Without massive deportation, America as you might have known or imagined it is dead and gone.

Hey, we didn't bus them here, we won't have to bus them home. Implement e-Verify and start selling Merrells.

Blogger HardReturn¶ September 24, 2015 5:06 PM  

Didn't even Uncle Milty say a country can have open borders or a welfare state, but not both? How much cognitive dissonance do politicians and apparatchiks have to manufacture to ignore that simple trade-off?

Blogger Crowhill September 24, 2015 5:16 PM  

Since the average IQ is 100 by definition, I assume you're comparing the average U.S. IQ with the rest of the world. Does that change anything about your statement? E.g., couldn't it be that U.S. dominance in education was declining, or something like that?

Blogger Tim_W_Burke September 24, 2015 5:19 PM  

Why not a financial incentive for immigrating East Asians or Eastern European Jews?
Or an extra tax incentive for those adopting babies of those ethnicity?
Couldn't those help the declining IQ in the U.S.?

Blogger Daniel September 24, 2015 5:25 PM  

Crowhill...

Wrong.

Blogger Chris Scena September 24, 2015 5:30 PM  

@29

So does historical IQ change? Is Einstein's 160 now a 165?

Blogger 罗臻 September 24, 2015 5:35 PM  

@29

Except for a few exceptions, U.S. students outperform the global competition when adjusted for race. The drop in scores is due to demographic changes.

Blogger Roy Lofquist September 24, 2015 5:41 PM  

OK. Flak jacket and helmet equipped.

Any argument based on a poll is, by definition, pure unadulterated BS.

From the Pew Research Center:

"The percentage of households in a sample that are successfully interviewed – the response rate – has fallen dramatically. At Pew Research, the response rate of a typical telephone survey was 36% in 1997 and is just 9% today."

http://www.people-press.org/2012/05/15/assessing-the-representativeness-of-public-opinion-surveys/

When a poll claims that 73% of all voters, Republicans, picolo players ...
prefer chocolate ice cream it is wrong. It is 73% of a very small minority of self-selected respondents.

Who might these people be? Dunno. My guess is that they are abnormally intense about a subject and have a need to shout.

Blogger VD September 24, 2015 5:47 PM  

Since the average IQ is 100 by definition, I assume you're comparing the average U.S. IQ with the rest of the world. Does that change anything about your statement? E.g., couldn't it be that U.S. dominance in education was declining, or something like that?

Yes. No. No.

Blogger VD September 24, 2015 5:49 PM  

Why not a financial incentive for immigrating East Asians or Eastern European Jews?
Or an extra tax incentive for those adopting babies of those ethnicity?
Couldn't those help the declining IQ in the U.S.?


Because smart immigrants cause different problems that are just as serious. And it won't work unless you're willing to import 50 to 100 million Chinese and turn the country over to them.

Blogger Dan in Tx September 24, 2015 5:56 PM  

"Why not a financial incentive for immigrating East Asians or Eastern European Jews?"

/infinite facepalm

OpenID corvinus333 September 24, 2015 5:57 PM  

Germans turn against Merkel over immivaders:

At the end of August, her approval rating was at 67%. Now, it's down to 49%.

Blogger pyrrhus September 24, 2015 6:03 PM  

Bullseye. Furthermore, review of the trend in SAT scores over the last 50 years shows a decline in the IQ even of european Americans, about 1 point per decade according to my analysis.

Blogger pyrrhus September 24, 2015 6:06 PM  

Chinese are not creative, because they are too conformist. In the words of one scientist, in China grass shoots that stood out got plucked and thrown away. And they game standardized tests, so their IQ is overestimated.

Blogger Earl September 24, 2015 6:31 PM  

Lol @ infinite face palm. Dan in TX is pretty burning handle. Recommend "Infinite Facepalm" instead.

Blogger Tim_W_Burke September 24, 2015 6:34 PM  

So IQ tests can't be trusted after all, and there is a right kind of smart?
Far fewer than 100 million immigrants seemed to have had almost a standard deviation's worth of impact bringing scores down(do I have SD correct?). Why 100 million chinese to bring them back up?
Don't Eastern European Jews have a concept of western civilization?
I've lurked the blog for a long time, but I'm not getting this at all.

OpenID Steve September 24, 2015 6:51 PM  

"Why not a financial incentive for immigrating East Asians or Eastern European Jews?"

There is, they get paid for lying, cheating and socializing risks/costs. AIDS came to the US via a jew cutting corners on plasma sold from hospitals that he paid donors in Haiti for. Check out Nicholas Stix to see how die verse healthcare fraud is.
-BGS

Blogger VD September 24, 2015 6:53 PM  

Why 100 million chinese to bring them back up? Don't Eastern European Jews have a concept of western civilization?

Because they have to counterbalance 100M low-IQ immigrants. One Chinese can balance one Hispanic. Eastern European Jews have a concept, but they reject it. They remain tribal.

OpenID Steve September 24, 2015 6:54 PM  

So IQ tests can't be trusted after all, and there is a right kind of smart?

For the left IQ tests can only be trusted to show that a non-Asian minority is too stupid to be executed for raping a child to death or killing cops. IQ tests showing that people are too stupid to function on a job are as racist as not wanting to willingly have sex with blacks.
-BGS

Blogger Rabbi B September 24, 2015 6:55 PM  

@43 Steve (aka BGS)

What's the deal with your handle, man? Just curious.

Blogger Bill September 24, 2015 7:05 PM  

@42 Tim_W_Burke
Yeah, let's try importing loads of really smart folks that are: racist as a 3rd generation KKK'er, deeply committed to centralized government, adverse to private property rights, and with a predilection for organized crime! What could go wrong?!

OpenID Steve September 24, 2015 7:08 PM  

Because they have to counterbalance 100M low-IQ immigrants. One Chinese can balance one Hispanic.

Then you run into the fraud/trust part, the Chinese will be more likely to commit high IQ fraud than whites, while Hispanics are more likely to commit low IQ fraud than whites. A Chinese chiropractor sending a van out to pick up non-Asian minorities for chiroquack treatments paid for by the access card (taxpayer)giving them $5 as payoffs doesn't seem balanced to me.

High IQ/High Trust =/= (HighIQ/midTrust + LowIQ/LowTrust) /2

@46 What's the deal with your handle, man? Just curious

I have to figure out how to change then name that shows up without the name/url option, don't get your hopes up that I am going STReight-BGS

Blogger James Dixon September 24, 2015 7:13 PM  

> (do I have SD correct?).

A standard deviation in intelligence is on the order of 15-16 points, depending on the standard used.

Blogger Rabbi B September 24, 2015 7:13 PM  

". . . don't get your hopes up . . ."

Well, like I said the other day . . . You're strong enough for a man, but you're made for a woman. Dammit.

Stay strong.

Blogger Jim Milo September 24, 2015 7:15 PM  

@6 Cervantes is still the king of grow books, Ed Rosenthal a close second.

I love how the holier-then-thou types look down on growers. You'll be thanking me when Walmart closes. Oh, watch out for the IEDs* in the driveway if you want to rip me off.

*For some reason autocorrect changed it to JEWS.

Blogger James Dixon September 24, 2015 7:16 PM  

> Why don't you want to Make America Great Again?

You know, it's really strange that no one else has mentioned that that's the same slogan Reagan used in his 1980 campaign: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Make_America_Great_Again

Well, maybe someone has and I've just missed it.

Blogger Tim_W_Burke September 24, 2015 7:16 PM  

@49 Thanks James.
Okay, so why not adoption? From what I've read here genetics play a huge part in intelligence.
And why not Eastern European Jews?

Blogger James Dixon September 24, 2015 7:18 PM  

Apparently i did just miss it, the Wikipedia article I linked to says that it has received criticism. Not as much as I would expect though.

Blogger Rabbi B September 24, 2015 7:20 PM  

@53 Tim_W_Burke

What's the deal with Eastern European Jews?

OpenID Steve September 24, 2015 7:20 PM  

Did these Asians positively contribute to America?
http://fox2now.com/2015/09/23/couple-ordered-to-pay-10-million-for-selling-trade-secrets-to-chinese/

"The couple’s whereabouts are unclear. They didn’t show up at the court hearing and did not return messages seeking comment."

You're strong enough for a man, but you're made for a woman

Honestly ask yourself how many American women are more feminine than gays.-BGS

Blogger Tim_W_Burke September 24, 2015 7:20 PM  

@ 54 I hadn't realized that. That's stunning.

Blogger VD September 24, 2015 7:21 PM  

And why not Eastern European Jews?

First, what is your Eastern European Jewish obsession? Second, they're not as smart as the Chinese, they're numerically insignificant, and they historically cause more problems for their hosts than they solve. Unlike the Chinese, they're not even a potential hypothetical solution.

I don't think they'd want to go to the USA anyhow. The US is already showing signs of going the way of France and Russia with regards to Jews.

Blogger Tim_W_Burke September 24, 2015 7:23 PM  

@55 Rabbi B
There had been a post stating only two ethnic groups to outscore Northern Europeans were East Asians and EE Jews, IIRC.
Intelligence is genetic. Why not give financial incentive toward adopting some?

Blogger Jim Milo September 24, 2015 7:23 PM  

@40 Hmm, Kaplan and Princeton Review seems to have more old money WASPS and Jews as students in my experience.

You also described Tall Poppy Syndrome, Jante's Law, and other similar concepts of jealousy. This is not confined to Chinese.

OpenID aegis-1080 September 24, 2015 7:24 PM  

You got to understand something about Pope Francis: He's a Jesuit.

In other words, he's from one of the oldest Communist orders that exist, that got their claws on Latin America because Francisco Franco had the good sense of telling them to either get the fuck out of Spain or face a firing squad.

Blogger Tim_W_Burke September 24, 2015 7:25 PM  

@58
Hadn't read this post before putting up @59.
Leaving up 59 to explain reasons.

Blogger Rabbi B September 24, 2015 7:27 PM  

Pope Francis:

Society of Jesus Warrior = SJW

Curiouser and curiouser . . .

Blogger Tim_W_Burke September 24, 2015 7:33 PM  

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Blogger Tom K. September 24, 2015 7:34 PM  

Beatable? By whom? Hilary?

The dems are quite literally putting no one up to run against a Republican. Either that, or they, again, literally have no one to run.

Name one democrat that could win the election next year?

Blogger Tim_W_Burke September 24, 2015 7:35 PM  

But if Chinese are genetically predisposed to conform, and have genetically predisposed IQ wouldn't adopting Chinese babies or toddlers help the overall IQ?
Either that or give incentive to Northern Europeans, (sans Irish and Scots) to immigrate. Are Germans or Dutch considered Northern Europeans?

Blogger Chris Mallory September 24, 2015 7:36 PM  

@53 " And why not Eastern European Jews?"

Who do you think has been behind most of the evil done to America since the early 1900s?
Look at the people who started the various "civil rights" organizations. Look at who makes up the various atheist groups. Look at the people behind the feminist groups. Eastern European Jews have been the driving force behind these groups, well out of proportion to their 2% of population.
Personally, I would deport everyone whose ancestors came through Ellis Island.

Blogger Chris Mallory September 24, 2015 7:39 PM  

@66
Scots are about the only ones I would let come to the US now. The Germans were the first wave of destruction back in the 1850s. The Dutch were smart, they got rid of New York as soon as possible.

Blogger Tim_W_Burke September 24, 2015 7:42 PM  

@68 Hi Chris
I disagree about the Scots.
The Scots had been in charge of the Southern states for generations. The Southern states have underperformed in every civilized metric from education to pre-natal healthcare. Based on that performance, the Scots should be just behind women in becoming disenfranchised.
Imagine: no Johnson's New Whatever, no Clinton, no Gore.

Blogger Chris Mallory September 24, 2015 7:47 PM  

@69
We were once the richest section of the US, but then the Yankees, Irish and Germans decided to loot our nation once we decided to leave. The South was devastated by the North. Southern wealth went North in the knapsacks of Yankee trash, to start the businesses that populate the North today. I would take Clinton over the Kennedys, Romney, or anyone from Minnesota. Gore was raised in DC, he is about as Southern as the Fargo movie.

Blogger Keith Glass September 24, 2015 7:48 PM  

"Idiocracy" was supposed to be a black comedy, NOT an instruction manual. .

Blogger Tim_W_Burke September 24, 2015 7:50 PM  

Genetics, Chris. Gore was still a Scot. You know what Samuel Johnson used to say about them.
Adopting Chinese babies would help the South quite a bit when they grow up, become educated and respectful citizens, and to contribute to society.

Blogger Chris Mallory September 24, 2015 7:58 PM  

Let us go. We don't need Chinese. Gore was a dyed in the wool Yankee politician, PERIOD.
"Respectful citizens" are sheep to be sheared by the politicians. My ancestors used to tar and feather tax collectors. Washington took his army to Pennsylvania to collect the whiskey tax, he didn't dare cross the Southern Appalachians.

Blogger James Dixon September 24, 2015 8:04 PM  

> Name one democrat that could win the election next year?

The dem's could run an actual donkey and it would probably beat Jeb.

> The Southern states have underperformed in every civilized metric from education to pre-natal healthcare.

Losing a war will do that to you.

> Adopting Chinese babies would help the South quite a bit when they grow up, become educated and respectful citizens, and to contribute to society.

Whose society, theirs or ours? What if culture is as hereditary as IQ?

Blogger Tim_W_Burke September 24, 2015 8:05 PM  

I'll let go that I haven't gotten a solid answer regarding adopting genetically superior babies to help this nation.
I respect the Southern Scots, Chris. Hell, my mom was Southern Scot.
I'm just concerned that "Democracy" and "Civilization" seem to be hot house flowers that can't handle any climate other than the Greater London area.

Blogger Mark Cook September 24, 2015 8:12 PM  

There is a Direct correlation between the morality of a country and the intelligence of a country.
Also, It is never economically right to do that with is morally wrong!

Blogger Salt September 24, 2015 8:12 PM  

Americans are fed up, especially the non-benefited of the 90M out of work - all looking at a government saying unemployment is ~5.3% and importing foreigners.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan September 24, 2015 8:17 PM  

Over at Drudge I found a NRO article where a glorious man of color lectures Brooklyn SWPLs about racism and not wanting to send their precious snowflakes to school with the low IQ diversity.

Blogger Tim_W_Burke September 24, 2015 8:17 PM  

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Blogger Tim_W_Burke September 24, 2015 8:18 PM  

@ 74
Hi James,
The war was 150 years ago. Mississippi is underperforming now. How is there a correlation?

@76
Hi Mark,
The babies would be raised by loving parents from the U.S. Wouldn't those values would be instilled in the adoptees?

Blogger Phillip George September 24, 2015 8:24 PM  

Vox, there are exactly five things that have buggared everyone's thinking

1. Separation of Church and state
2. Moral and Cultural Relativism
3. Evolution - all things are naturally progressively improving.
4, Materialism, man is a machine.
5. That secularism exists.

It doesn't matter what the racial mix studpid is a given when these five sacred cows dominate the intellectual [cough] landscape.

Blogger Sheila4g September 24, 2015 8:24 PM  

If I have understood anything that Vox has posted before, the issue he (and by extension we) are concerned with regarding the future US is its population - its ethny. That encompasses IQ, to be certain, but also culture. As has been stated numerous times by my betters, both IQ and culture are functions of genetics. Environmental affect may optimize that, but cannot/does not negate that (see multiple twin adoption studies). Does that answer Tim's questions about Chinese and Jews?

The point is you replace an approximately 85-90% European majority (mixed of northern and southern Europeans and a few other pseudo-Whites) with one that is currently approximately 53% Whites and pseudo-Whites, and you have the IQ and cultural degradation we've already lived through. Continue another 20 years or so, as the Whites die off and all the melanin-enriched children drop out of schools they're currently incarcerated in, and the resulting society is a product of negro and mestizo genetics and culture write large. Multiple times more violent, and chaotic, and just plain dumber than today.

Using E-verify will do nothing to get rid of multiple generations of anchor babies who are now in school . . . or their parents, who were also anchor babies. Again, we're talking deportation of millions of putative US citizens if we want even the slightest hope of a majority White country and culture.

Blogger BunE22 September 24, 2015 8:33 PM  

So I'm wondering who exactly is going to be in this Brave New America.

Everyone from Ellis Island on is gone. Boomers should die. Yankees should be what, hanged? Minorities are out, Jews are sent to Israel. My family would swap places with Vox's, even though the constitution states I'm a citizen of the US not Italy.

How many people will be left to defend this place? How long do you think it will last? Enlighten me.

Blogger VD September 24, 2015 8:44 PM  

I'll let go that I haven't gotten a solid answer regarding adopting genetically superior babies to help this nation.

Yes, you did. The answer is no. Unequivocally no.

Blogger Billy September 24, 2015 8:45 PM  

But if Chinese are genetically predisposed to conform, and have genetically predisposed IQ wouldn't adopting Chinese babies or toddlers help the overall IQ? This whole sentence is just a fucked up. Who could even think of typing it out. . We've been discussing saving western civilization. That entails more than just IQ.

Blogger Dexter September 24, 2015 8:49 PM  

Why not a financial incentive for immigrating East Asians or Eastern European Jews?

Oh Lordy, a great many of the problems we now have are a legacy of importing Ostjuden in the late 1800s, and now you want to "solve" those problems by importing more Ostjuden?

Thanks but no thanks.

(This reminds me of the typical liberal answer to the problems created by out-of-control government programs, which is, "we need another government program to fix that.")

Blogger Stilicho #0066 September 24, 2015 8:49 PM  

@80 what is the genetic makeup of Mississippi? Can you apply your analysis on a county by county basis while taking race into account? As for 150 years, tell it to President Butt Naked. Last I heard, he's still complaining about the effects of slavery despite those 150 years and only having ancestors who were slave owner as opposed to slaves.

As for importing 100 million Chinese (of any age) why on earth would anyone in their right mind want to destroy their genetic and cultural posterity by swamping it in a tidal wave of lesser races without the law? Who are you, Jeb Bush?

Blogger Tim_W_Burke September 24, 2015 8:51 PM  

@82
Thanks Sheila4g, it does answer my question.
It's just that this reminds me of the Super Predator predictions from the '80s Crack Baby scare, when now we have -- what -- reduced rates of murder since the '80s?
Those twin studies are still being examined. Has there been anything conclusive?
Lastly (is that a word?), has anyone proposed a practical solution outside the box? From what I've read lately, we can't encourage immigration of the Irish, Germans, Italians, Nordics, Jews, Eastern Europeans, (Slavs?) because none of them have the genetic ability to behave. The Asians, Africans, and Hispanics (correct term?) are out.
We have run out of planet.
Does anyone have any solutions to this problem as imagined?
That this discussion about the inability for races to assimilate or relate is on a blog curated by a man who is part Mexican, part Native American strikes me as odd.
I leave out the Scots because we rule.

Blogger Stilicho #0066 September 24, 2015 8:57 PM  

@ sheila: our present trajectory leads to Puerto Rico writ large if the melting pot myth were true. Otherwise, diversity + proximity = war and the scope and horror of the war will correlate directly to the size of the "diverse" populations.

Blogger VD September 24, 2015 9:00 PM  

That this discussion about the inability for races to assimilate or relate is on a blog curated by a man who is part Mexican, part Native American strikes me as odd.

Why? Who better to understand the complete inability for races to assimilate or relate than someone who has witnessed it up close and personal?

I am the theoretical success story, and I am telling you that it is no such thing, that it is a non-starter.

Blogger JaimeInTexas September 24, 2015 9:03 PM  

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Blogger Stilicho #0066 September 24, 2015 9:03 PM  

@ Tad w. Burke: we don't need any immigrants to "solve" the problems caused by immigrants. Get rid of the immigrants, get rid of the problem. Country's too damn crowded already, but I expect that won't change much as white birth rates increase as the resource drain is sent home.

Blogger Sheila4g September 24, 2015 9:16 PM  

@89 Stilicho - that's precisely what my husband predicts (and I regretfully concur). Brazilification and gradual but continual decline would be the optimum given current trends. All history, however, confirms diversity+proximity=war. The big question is when. My spouse believes soon enough for Europe and America to survive; I am not so sanguine.

Blogger James Dixon September 24, 2015 9:17 PM  

> The war was 150 years ago.

The occupation didn't end 150 years ago. I could make a good argument that it's still ongoing (see the civil rights act for just one example).

> Wouldn't those values would be instilled in the adoptees?

No. Genetics studies have pretty much debunked the blank slate hypothesis.

> But if Chinese are genetically predisposed to conform...

To conform to what, exactly? Their society? Yes. Ours? Not so much so.

Blogger James Dixon September 24, 2015 9:20 PM  

> I am not so sanguine.

Sheila4g, we're the best the world has ever known at killing people. We won't go down without a fight.

Blogger JimR September 24, 2015 9:31 PM  

@95 "we're the best the world has ever known at killing people. "

100+ million dead chinese might disagree.

Blogger Lana J September 24, 2015 9:37 PM  

"I leave out the Scots because we rule."

No, the Scots in the US do not rule. They simply refuse to BE ruled..it's genetic.

OpenID joeholocaust September 24, 2015 9:39 PM  

The Chinese are not any smarter than pureblooded whites as a group. The Chinese in N.America and Europe are a small subset of the global Chinese population. Even adding the entire populations of Taiwan and Hong Kong does not make up for the vast numbers in mainland China that drag the overall average for their race down. China has numerous 'farms' or grouphomes for retarded children that are kept from much outside exposure. I would not be surprised if mainland China's average IQ was even lower but that the state tries to conceal their genetic failings. They do have vast numbers, though, and with selecting well seeded samplings there are enough brights to give the impression of being a clever race. As for E.E.Jewry, I regard them as enemies of the white race. Every ill that has befallen us since they arrived has their handprint on it. It is because of them that the White Race is locked in a downward spiral that will reduce us to lower than Chinese eventually. China's best advantages are their vast numbers and their freedom from Jewish control. That's enough to keep their nation Chinese for virtually all of their billion+ while USA's 350 million is turning brown at an increasing speed.

OpenID joeholocaust September 24, 2015 9:51 PM  

@96 That shows a talent for killing when the other side is your own disarmed population. That much is true of all communists and Marxists. I think if it comes down to a clash between whites and Chinese, that 100+ million number will become 'the former record'. All non-whites are good enough at dying.

Blogger Daniel September 24, 2015 9:52 PM  

Killing other people, JimR. The Chinese are absolutely without question the number one king of the hill at suicide.

Blogger Geir Balderson September 24, 2015 9:55 PM  

" Name one democrat that could win the election next year?"

Next year, when Obama suspends the elections, he will make himself 'Dear Leader' for life. Then his daughters and their hip-hop husbands will continue to govern to infinity and beyond.

Blogger Tim_W_Burke September 24, 2015 9:59 PM  

@90
I don't understand.
You have a successful publishing company. Charted in the Top 40 multiple times. Proficiency in soccer, martial arts, track and field. Designer of games. Husband and father.
How has your experience not made you a success by any metric? I know I admire your accomplishments.
I'm trying to parse the sentence and failing.

OpenID Steve September 24, 2015 10:00 PM  

That this discussion about the inability for races to assimilate or relate is on a blog curated by a man who is part Mexican, part Native American strikes me as odd

The people on the Gaypatriot blog are probably hated more by the Soros cheerleaders than the KKK. When I say having gay scout leaders is as stupid as letting Woody Allen be a girl scout den mother, I have more authority than a virtue signaling chorf.

100+ million dead chinese might disagree.

Starving unarmed people to death is not the scenario that will play out with anyone who has been warned of the Holodomor -BGS

Blogger JimR September 24, 2015 10:04 PM  

@100 "Killing other people"

well duh! it'd be a pretty short conflict if the enemy all committed suicide

OpenID joeholocaust September 24, 2015 10:08 PM  

@88 Tim_W_Burke I'm not sure which problem you are looking to solve. Is it the decline of IQ in America?
I propose expulsion (forcible when necessary) of all non-whites to the most appropriate continents they belong to. Jews, who are not white though they often resemble whites, must also leave and may go to Israel.
America should welcome European whites to immigrate. I disagree with the view that all Europeans after the English settlers are unfit to hold and keep a civilization. I have no opposition to centralized power or big government.
Democracy is an evil and voting beyond municipal local gov't should be limited to selecting the supreme leader who will select his cabinet who will serve at his pleasure or be replaced. This avoids the stalemate of an elected representative of several thousand clashing with another elected representative of a different several thousand. The supreme leader's word is final and he is the only one directly answerable to the electorate who vote for him and can therefore vote him out.

OpenID Steve September 24, 2015 10:22 PM  

@102 Tim_W_Burke. Hybrid vigor is an illusion caused by killing off the runts. If someone told you that 90+ out of 100 people in a group he belonged to would not be people you would want to baby sit your kids, would you trust he had more experience being around his group than you? Because I happen to belong to such a group & you are free to disbelieve me in favor of Phil Sandifer. By VD's accomplishments he would be 1 out of 1000 in any group. If Condoleezza Rice represented the average black male, Detriot would have working streetlights.-BigGaySteve

Blogger Tim_W_Burke September 24, 2015 10:52 PM  

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Blogger Josh September 24, 2015 10:53 PM  

Are we sure Tim Burke isn't Tad?

OpenID Jack Amok September 24, 2015 11:14 PM  

And they game standardized tests, so their IQ is overestimated.

I've come to this conclusion as well. With a billion people, it's easy for them to put up a facades of high-IQ by just cherry-picking who gets tested. Plus, I suspect there may be differences in STDEV as well as AVG between races. For all their teeming multitudes and supposedly high average IQ, China has produced very few geniuses. Even if their average IQ was 5 points below Anglos, sheer numbers would imply more geniuses than they have - unless their STDEV is significantly lower than 15 or 16.

And as Steve noted, you can't trust them. Their notions of honestly, honor and trustworthiness are not the same as ours. They have notions of those things, but they are not compatible with ours (and to be blunt, attempt to exploit our notions of trust).

OpenID Jack Amok September 24, 2015 11:16 PM  

I don't understand.

We don't care.

When and if you do start to understand, we might care. But you don't understand because you don't want to understand. If that ever changes, you might be worth the trouble, but until then, you aren't, because until then, you won't actually think about anything we say.

Blogger Were-Puppy September 24, 2015 11:25 PM  

Vox, have you ever read The Hyborian Age by Robert E. Howard?

He wrote it as a sort of fictional historic background for various novels.

He describes the slow descent from a civilization back into a stone age type of civilization. And even further descent from there.

"A thousand years after the lesser cataclysm, the western world is seen to be a wild country of jungles and lakes and torrential rivers. Among the forest-covered hills of the northwest exist wandering bands of ape-men, without human speech, or the knowledge of fire or the use of implements. They are the descendants of the Atanteans, sunk back into the squalling chaos of jungle-bestiality from which ages ago their ancestors so laboriously crawled."

That has to be the biggest cultural IQ drop in fictional history!

Blogger Rabbi B September 24, 2015 11:29 PM  

@108 Josh

Are we sure Tim Burke isn't Tad?

That was my suspicion when he got on the "adopt-an-EEJew" kick. Something doesn't smell quite right . . . but I've been sucked in enough times to know my Tadar is next to worthless . . . so, hard to say.

Blogger Were-Puppy September 24, 2015 11:29 PM  

@6 David The Good
No wonder books on marijuana keep beating out my offerings in the rankings. Maybe it's time to write a book on pot. In Spanish.
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You can get Carlos Santana to write the introduction and talk about hemp.

Blogger Were-Puppy September 24, 2015 11:31 PM  

@11 Josh

Would Trump End The Fed?
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If they attack him, they are Doomed! Down the Tubes!

Blogger BunE22 September 24, 2015 11:37 PM  

I question whether the suggested solutions of a white country is only addressing the symptom and not the cause. I think the biggest problems in the country are the democrats and the Marxists hiding among them. They enable people and promote the lowest common denominator.

Even if you had a pure white country you would still have the same problems because the Left will just enable whites. We've all seen the mostly white SJWs, do any of us consider them productive people? What about the mostly white feminists today? Do you think either group are conservative or republicans or lean right? Are they religious? Do they believe in small government or support the constitution?

What of the youth that want free college, are okay with political correctness to limit free speech, and are gung-ho to destroy capitalism and embrace communism? They are mostly white.

The Left is the cancer and it has infected plenty of whites through their control of education, the media, movies, literature, psychology, etc. As long as the Left is in control you will never raise IQ, or have a great America, it doesn't matter if the country is all European white, you may slow the decline but you won't stop it. If you want a cleansing, start with the Left.

Blogger Were-Puppy September 24, 2015 11:38 PM  

@23 Bill
I see things are heating up in Germany...
http://overpassesforamerica.com/?p=16228

What they really need are some spiffy uniforms.
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If that ever happened in the US, I doubt I'd ever hear about it. The press would cover it up, unless the idea caught on across the country.

OpenID physphilmusic September 25, 2015 12:00 AM  

@67
Personally, I would deport everyone whose ancestors came through Ellis Island.

That's one third of America's population right there. So about 100 million people gone.

I'm just sayin...

Blogger Were-Puppy September 25, 2015 12:05 AM  

@85 Billy
But if Chinese are genetically predisposed to conform, and have genetically predisposed IQ wouldn't adopting Chinese babies or toddlers help the overall IQ? This whole sentence is just a fucked up. Who could even think of typing it out. . We've been discussing saving western civilization. That entails more than just IQ.
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Yep. I keep thinking this guy is suffering from can't see the forest for the trees. Because what he is really saying is a variation of that Philipino guys argument a couple weeks back. We can beat the influx of foreigners with a larger influx of more benevolent foreigners. It's always more, more, more.

Blogger Were-Puppy September 25, 2015 12:22 AM  

@115 BunE22

I agree with you on that. Enemies without, and enemies within.

Blogger automatthew September 25, 2015 12:27 AM  

Are we sure Tim Burke isn't Tad?

My batphone hasn't gone off yet.

OpenID physphilmusic September 25, 2015 12:29 AM  

The importing Chinese argument is very silly and seems kinda troll-ish to me. What hasn't really been discussed is whether Whiteness is sufficient to preserve Western civilization. 150 years ago the US was at least 80% white with the rest mostly being black slaves. That apparently wasn't enough to prevent the chain of events (starting with the Civil War) that results in the current situation and mentality.

As someone has already pointed out, while there is definitely a set of distinct "Western values" that most whites hold, many whites also hold onto some values that result in John Scalzi and Patrick Nielsen Hayden. One might even argue that the "cuckservative" trend among establishment conservatives is not an anomaly, but a feature. You can point to the fact that Jews played a large role in things like Civil Rights movements, but they would never have been successful if not for the "cuckservative" mentality that exists among many whites. Evidently, most other races and ethnicities don't have this mentality. No Chinese person would ever willingly agree to mass immigration of Africans into China. Neither would any African or other Asian person. In short, European culture, while resulting in a high-trust society that enables technological advancement, is ultimately suicidal.

Thus getting rid of non-whites does not even begin to address the problem, as whites also invented communism, socialism, Marxist theory, and so on. History will eventually repeat itself again.

Blogger automatthew September 25, 2015 12:29 AM  

So about 100 million people gone.

100 million is a statistic. Elin Krantz is a corpse.

Blogger automatthew September 25, 2015 12:30 AM  

"whites also invented communism, socialism, Marxist theory"

Goddammit, no.

Blogger The Other Robot September 25, 2015 12:38 AM  

Meanwhile cops in Delaware kill a wheelchair bound vibrant.

Blogger The Other Robot September 25, 2015 12:42 AM  

Meanwhile cops in Delaware kill a wheelchair bound vibrant.

OpenID physphilmusic September 25, 2015 12:49 AM  

I guess I didn't realize that Marx was Jewish, but Engels certainly wasn't. The Frankfurt school was mostly Jewish, but as I said, they would not have had such an impact if not for the thousands of gullible whites willingly buying into their ideas.

OpenID Jack Amok September 25, 2015 2:23 AM  

That's one third of America's population right there. So about 100 million people gone.

I'm just sayin...


Think of how much better our carbon footprint would be. Do it for Gaia.

OpenID luciussomesuch September 25, 2015 5:00 AM  

"Yep. I keep thinking this guy is suffering from can't see the forest for the trees. Because what he is really saying is a variation of that Philipino guys argument a couple weeks back. We can beat the influx of foreigners with a larger influx of more benevolent foreigners. It's always more, more, more."

--Exactly, it's a buwaya(?) redux. But at least buwaya was implicitly offering compliant and lissome Filipina bedmates to softly soothe the White race to oblivion. Whereas with this guy, it's Bulgar Jewesses and Chinese cash registers and dysgenic adoption all the way down. Not so much as one last reach-around to put a bang into the White West's dying whimper.

Blogger Cail Corishev September 25, 2015 8:28 AM  

The importing Chinese argument is very silly and seems kinda troll-ish to me.

Probably because it is one, from the ankle-biting division. He's not really invested in the concept (note how quickly he switches to other supposed high-IQ groups); he just thinks he's caught us in a contradiction. "They claim IQ is important for the success of a nation, but they also think ethnic homogeneity is critical, and you can't have 100% of one without compromising on the other. They must not have realized that, since they don't mention it every time they talk about this. I'll tie them in knots with that contradiction, until they bow to my superior wit and crown me King of the Internet!"

Of course, we don't mention it all the time because to non-asspies it's obvious that there are trade-offs in life and all priorities aren't at the same level. So rather than catching us in a contradiction, he's just pointing out boring stuff that we dealt with in the first five minutes we spent thinking about this. He's like a guy demanding that an engineer stop building bridges to prove the Pythagorean Theorem to him.

Blogger Tim_W_Burke September 25, 2015 9:39 AM  

@129
Okay, this last one is what I needed. Thank you, Cail. (PS, I proposed other groups from beginning, see others' questions re "EE Jew" obsession)

This post (which was about IQ, part of a larger issue of Civilization) seemed to me to be about the very foundation of the Civilization discussion.
1. Genetics and culture are inseparable,
2. Only British genetics can grasp and enact Western Civilization,
3. The U.S. cannot allow a drop below a certain level of British derived population.

I understand that civilization requires trade-offs in education, economics, religion, and other systems. It just seems that the Civilization you describe was doomed the very moment it started. I believe the Constitution allows the nation to be hardier than this hot house flower being described.

It's tough for me to prove, but I really want to understand this because I have eyes and see the same things in our nation that you are seeing. Things are getting worse. I am who I say I am. The only things I'm hiding are a few embarrassing YouTube videos.

I have to go to work. I'll probably go back to lurking.

OpenID Jack Amok September 25, 2015 10:55 AM  

This post (which was about IQ, part of a larger issue of Civilization) seemed to me to be about the very foundation of the Civilization discussion.

There you go, your three points are reasonably accurate. But here is where you are wrong:

I believe the Constitution allows the nation to be hardier than this hot house flower being described.

I think we would all like to believe that, and we would have been far better off if it had been true. But it's not. We talk about a "nation of laws and not of men" but in the end it is men who either follow or ignore the laws, and men who either enforce or selectively neglect to enforce them.

We thought that if we were a nation of laws then it wouldn't matter what quality of men we had and that has proven disastrously wrong. We thought our noble laws would transform men and make them better. The reverse has happened.

Rules mean nothing if people don't follow them.

Blogger Matamoros September 25, 2015 2:21 PM  

@13 I will only vote for a conservative, I would stay home if there is none on the ballot.

Conservatism is the suckers game that says that we should "conserve" what the liberals have wrought.

Ask yourselves, do "conservatives" conserve the America of 1176, or even of 1859? No, the only thing they conserve are the system as it existed 10-20 years ago that the commielibs have moved on from.

In other words, a conservative in modern parlance conserves yesterday's degeneracies against today's. But tomorrow they they will move forward and accept today's degeneracy against tomorrows.

We don't need "conservatives". We need Americans. Trump is an American. So was Ronald Reagan. That is why the "conservative" Republican establishment hated them so roundly.

America for Americans. Immigrants go home.

OpenID Steve September 25, 2015 5:59 PM  

@116If that ever happened in the US, I doubt I'd ever hear about it. The press would cover it up, unless the idea caught on across the country.

Overpasses for America came about for protests against illegals last summer

OpenID ymarsakar September 25, 2015 8:29 PM  

Waco 1, Waco 2, Ft Hood 1, Ft Hood 2, various other mass shootings by Democrats and their Leftist allies.

Several sub cultural groups have gone underground as a result. Polls are there to manipulate PR, not reflect upon it. But anyone can look up those incidents above and see what really happened. Btw, I recommend the Daily from Britain, it's more accurate than US main sewer sources.

Blogger VD December 01, 2015 10:25 AM  

I believe the Constitution allows the nation to be hardier than this hot house flower being described.

That's nice. You're completely and utterly wrong. The Founding Fathers even warned you.

Blogger VD December 01, 2015 10:28 AM  

That this discussion about the inability for races to assimilate or relate is on a blog curated by a man who is part Mexican, part Native American strikes me as odd.

Why? I know the problem first-hand, from personal experience.

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