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Saturday, September 26, 2015

Californication and cuckservatism

Taxpayers flee high-tax Democrat States for lower-tax Republican States:
In 2013, more than 200,000 people on net fled states with Democrat governors [led by New York, Illinois, California, Connecticut, and Massachusetts] for ones run by Republicans [led by Texas, Florida, South Carolina, North Carolina, and Arizona], according to an analysis of newly released IRS data by Americans for Tax Reform.

"People move away from high tax states to low tax states. Every tax refugee is sending a powerful message to politicians," said ATR President Grover Norquist. "They are voting with their feet. Leaders in Texas and Florida are listening. New York and California are not."

That year, Democrat-run states lost a net 226,763 taxpayers, bringing with them nearly $15.7 billion in adjusted gross income (AGI). That same year, states with Republican governors gained nearly 220,000 new taxpayers, who brought more than $14.1 billion in AGI with them.

Instapundit advises the newly flown wisely: JUST DON’T VOTE FOR THE SAME LOSER POLICIES WHEN YOU GET THERE.

But here is what I find interesting. Many of the same people who correctly understand that there is a serious political problem that arises from Californians moving to Colorado, New Yorkers moving to North Carolina and Minnesotans moving to Texas will nevertheless deny that the Irish, Italians, Germans, Scandinavians, and Jews, all of whom came from political cultures far more different from the political tradition established by the English U.S. Founding Fathers, could possibly have had any negative effect on the resulting American political scene.

I fail to see how it is even remotely possible to assert the one and deny the other. Indeed, logic dictates that the changes that stemmed from the multiple waves of immigration from various alien nations must have been considerably greater than the changes resulting from these state-to-state population transfers.

Millions of Mexicans immigrants can now vote. They are accustomed to choosing between a nationalist party (National Action Party) and two revolutionary socialist parties (Institutional Revolutionary Party and (Party of the Democratic Revolution)... which may well be the choice facing Americans in less than two decades. If the Republican party does not become the nationalist party, a new one will arise.

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Blogger Red Bane September 26, 2015 5:41 AM  

Repost from earlier comment:

Take a look at the names of the 1948 Court Justices that ruled against prayer in school. Apart from one Catholic, they all have Anglo names and professed some form of protestant faith. Anglo's, in the majority, have lead the charge to eradicate God from the fiber of American life and her most influential institutions. Taking God out of the equation is like taking the wheels of your car as far as sound social progress is concerned. No civilization will stand that tries to deny the Creator.

Blogger Lulabelle September 26, 2015 5:41 AM  

Texas needs a fence to keep the Californians out.

Blogger Red Bane September 26, 2015 5:45 AM  

And as Nate pointed out in a previous posting, Britain, the mother-ship of Anglo thought, lead, in the main, by elite Anglo's from all the best families, isn't fairing to well either. No indeed, the X fatcor is spiritual. That much is clear to me anyway.God will not be mocked.

Blogger Laguna Beach Fogey September 26, 2015 5:54 AM  

WASPs lost their country a long time ago. It's just been one long history of losing their grip on the country they founded.

It's always amusing to watch cuckservatives rail against fellow Whites from California moving to Texas, which they usually do with an outspoken hostility they would never show Mexicans, Somalians, or Chinese.

Last time I checked, Texas has a huge population of Arabs, Indians, and Africans. But, they want us to believe White Californians are the problem.

Yeah, right.

Blogger JohnG September 26, 2015 6:03 AM  

I joke about the California Cancer all the time, most people I know think I'm just being mean.

Blogger Cataline Sergius September 26, 2015 6:17 AM  

The California diaspora is a little different. There is more than one major destination.

Nevada gets the retirees that have voted Democrat all their lives and can't understand why their taxes are too high to live in California anymore. Nevada was a low population libertarian state, which has now been ruined by the grasshopper people.

Oregon is getting the worst of them.

Texas according to one Texan I know, is mostly getting the older type of California conservative. Something with a touch of the frontier libertarian. Which is not to say they are welcome. The best selling bumper sticker in Austin says, "I don't give a fuck how you did it in California."

Blogger Laguna Beach Fogey September 26, 2015 6:24 AM  

Why can't TX do something about the humidity problem, like CA has? So annoying.

Blogger Laguna Beach Fogey September 26, 2015 6:29 AM  

"Oregon is getting the worst of them."

No doubt. I'm sure it goes both ways. Lots of young whites from OR and WA in these parts.

And I write as someone whose 3 close colleagues are from Texas, Oklahoma, and South Carolina.

OpenID bc64a9f8-765e-11e3-8683-000bcdcb2996 September 26, 2015 6:35 AM  

#3. You don't mind that the cautionary tales from 4000 (or so) years of observation of the human condition, agriculture, and mindlessly picking up a rock from next to the fire, come from Aesop and The Brothers Grimm do you?
Or is attendance, a 10% cash redistribution fee, amputation, out casting, and immolation simply mandatory.
Mindful that I'm a mere speck in the big picture, "My God's better than your god" runs into "issues" when it gets back to the "because he told me so" parts.
"I left because of the oppressive taxes, and the schools are atrocious! Now were do I sign my kid up for free pre-school and (German) Kindergarten day care?
An no, as a matter of fact I DON'T use a "decorated indoor tree" to shelter elaborately packaged bribes to "celebrate" one day of the "new calendar" year, in the face of "State" fire laws banning them under "authority of "for your safety"
I DO marvel at MY position of "power" in the world every time the sumac, bamboo, squirrels, lawyers, open minded critical thinkers, "church" (*sigh* mosque/temple/coven/copse) zealots, and zucchini need to be temporarily vanquished, that others may live.
CaptDMO

Blogger Praetgeist September 26, 2015 6:39 AM  

I've tried and tried to Google a bumper sticker that says that; and so far, nothing. Any clues? I'd love to buy one.

Blogger rumpole5 September 26, 2015 6:56 AM  

@CaptDMO -- See definition of "loose association" in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual V.

Blogger Sam Hall September 26, 2015 6:57 AM  

@12
I DON'T GIVE A FUCK HOW YOU DID IT IN CALIFORNIA

Blogger Mr.MantraMan September 26, 2015 7:13 AM  

That bumper sticker will do more good than all the essays in every conservative outlet put together because for some reason conservatives think they are too good to throw a rhetorical pilum to begin a conversation or debate.

Disqualify works just because the evil left uses it does not mean you cannot pick up a perfectly good weapon and use it yourself.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan September 26, 2015 7:21 AM  

If I am allowed to give advice here I would say turn off the news and stop reading that crap called intellectual conservatism. Copying that prissy c*nt model of masculinity does a person no good and those prissy little sissy boys need to be put in a convent and their works passed thru a slot in the wall then retranslated into something actually useful.

In other words George Will and his juniors are palace eunuchs and why the hell do you want to be like them?

Blogger VD September 26, 2015 8:18 AM  

Shut up, Wheeler. Do not comment on this thread. In case it isn't clear, I am getting tired of your monomania. Keep it in check or I'll kick you out. This blog is not Wheeler's History Hour.

Blogger clk September 26, 2015 8:59 AM  

Vd says "deny that the Irish, Italians, Germans, Scandinavians, and Jews, all of whom came from political cultures far more different from the political tradition established by the English U.S. Founding Fathers, could possibly have had any negative effect on the resulting American political scene."

What would be interesting would be if you could actually do some sort of analysis, or point out some instances in american history up to the 1940s where this occurred. If we are to believe this model then it should work starting in the 1600s forward to now. Like it or not america went from colony to the sole world super power in 200 years consisting of immigrants...lets try mapping immigrant populations to american success and see if theres a correlation.

I think you are apply too much credit/blame to the effect of race and nationality here.. just because someone is an italian doesnt mean they cant see the value of a different political system... many of these early immigrants had no part in setting up thier political system that they were living under, had no way to change it other than seek a beter life somewhere else.. which they did... and for many immigrants this was not just hopping on a plane... it meant leaving everything and anything they had.

The reason imho that america was exceptional was its shares christian values...and one does not have to look very far to make a model fit the precieved downfall of america with a decrease in christianity... and perhaps a rise in capitalism and a world trade which would be a better place to spend time look for the fall of the west.


Blogger DadOfTen September 26, 2015 9:00 AM  

The cruelty of the wilderness changed 3 of my English ancestors from socialists to capitalists. They were on the Mayflower and almost died of starvation because the first year they were going to share all land, all work, all crops, and all game, no matter how hard anyone worked for it. (One of those ancestors was the first thief caught and punished in the colony. He was eating seed corn in the winter. He chose theft over death. Short sighted, I know.) Anyway, no one wanted to work when they got no extra reward for their work, and someone else would do the farming.

After nearly starving the first year, they divided up the land. Suddenly whoever grew the food ate the food. That next year everyone worked very hard and there was a huge quantity of excess food compared to the first year. (For those challenged for time, read Rush Revere And The Brave Pilgrims.) Thus the wilderness converted mushy religious socialists to hard headed New England capitalists.

When people came to the unsettled US and Canadian geography and asked as Joshua did, "Give me this mountain!" They were quickly forced into being libertarian capitalists, no matter what their genes or politics. As they come to the welfare heaven of the world in the same geography, they ask, where's my section 8 housing and food stamps.

Back to Joshua. It took 40 years wandering in the wilderness to transform the Israelite slaves who yearned for the cookpots of Egypt into a hardened group capable of taking, holding, and living on some very inhospitable desert. But change them the wilderness did.

A half century ago I saw a statistic that 1/3 of the people who immigrated to the USA left and went back home. They commonly cited the competition being too fierce.

The problem is NOW in great part the swamp of people from every land, who get welfare, and a get out of jail free card for being immigrants. If the USA said no government assistance for anyone unless a citizen for 10 years, the immigrants would self-select for the ones who believe in hard work and opportunity, and those who want welfare and socialism.

The problem is not in our stars or ancestors, it is in ourselves.

After that bit of poetry which caused me to wipe self-righteous tear from my eye, I have to admit too many are coming in too fast today with agendas against capitalism.

Blogger Red Bane September 26, 2015 9:21 AM  

The establishment of an essentially secular nation by the FF's, minus any explicit and particular protections for Christianity and the culture it generates, was the U.S.'s downfall. Diversity was programmed right into the language of the Constitution from day one. We reap the fruits today.

Blogger Koanic September 26, 2015 9:26 AM  

Wheel him out.

Wheell miss him. (And his Sacred Brand)

Heell be back.

A wit punderous, prodigious, pernicious.

Blogger VD September 26, 2015 9:36 AM  

I think you are apply too much credit/blame to the effect of race and nationality here.. just because someone is an italian doesnt mean they cant see the value of a different political system... many of these early immigrants had no part in setting up thier political system that they were living under, had no way to change it other than seek a beter life somewhere else.. which they did... and for many immigrants this was not just hopping on a plane... it meant leaving everything and anything they had.

Stow the rhetoric. I think you are ascribing far too much value to Magic Dirt. The fact that people left EVERYTHING AND ANYTHING THEY HAD (wipes away a tear) because thar's gold in them thar hills does not suggest any of them gave a flying fuck about the Rights of Englishmen and limited government. Or even had the foggiest clue of what those things are. Your objections are not relevant to the subject.

Do you seriously think the Syrians who left EVERYTHING AND ANYTHING THEY HAD (wipes away another tear) give a damn about Germany's laws and traditions?

Blogger Clint September 26, 2015 9:41 AM  

Common conversation here in Texas these days:

Calif Refugee: God, I hate the way you do things here in Texas. Back in California, we would...

Me: Shut it, hippy. That's the reason you live in Texas now.

They simply do not see the connection between "the way things are done" in California (or NY, or MASS, etc.) and why those places are horrible places to live.

Blogger Salt September 26, 2015 9:43 AM  

Do you seriously think the Syrians who left EVERYTHING AND ANYTHING THEY HAD (wipes away another tear) give a damn about Germany's laws and traditions?

Hell no. But then there's the little girls and boys. A little taste of home.

Blogger Unknown September 26, 2015 9:48 AM  

Spot on as usual, Vox!

As both an Army Chaplain and, now, a pastoral counselor, I often help folks shine a light on their own personal and family histories, in order to discover some of the patterns of behaviour that may well contribute to their problems now (Oh wait, sorry! We no longer have "problems"; pop psycho-babble requires that I call them "issues"!). That's certainly valid in the microcosm. Why, then, is it invalid for us to look at the macrocosm of the cultures from which we spring, in order to discern patterns, whether good or ill?

My dad's family, for example, is Scots-Irish in origin, with some Cherokee and Creek thrown in for good measure; my mother's family were originally of native Irish stock, but very likely came to the colonies during the reign of Charles II, and became, I believe, prominent land owners in Virginia. Whether rural backwoods, or gentry, my Southern Anglo-Celtic cultural roots play out to this day in my ways of thinking. Being sinners, both as individuals and as nations (in the old sense of that word), there are things we've got to overcome with God's help, but there are good things as well. But why is it wrong to recognize patterns of individual and cultural attitudes and behaviour? It's pretty plain that the latter groups you cite here, Vox, the Italians, (famine) Irish, 48-er Germans, and the Scandinavians, are far more likely to be socialistic in their views.

As for me, I want the "rights of Englishmen" my ancestors fought for! I'm sick of being lumped in with people whose attitudes and cultures have nothing whatsoever to do with my background and ways of thinking! Americans? If some of them are Americans, then I'm something else entirely! That's an abuse of language that the Cultural Marxist specializes in!

Oh that's right, I'm a racist, homophobe, Islamophobe, bigot, etc., etc., etc.!

Whatever.

Regards,
David Smith

Blogger Laguna Beach Fogey September 26, 2015 9:48 AM  

Er...why was Wheeler banned? Had some good points.

Blogger Matamoros September 26, 2015 9:50 AM  

Same problem all over the South. "But that's not how we do it in (northern state)."

The bumper sticker apropos - We Don't Care How You Do It Up North

Not to mention - Yankee Go Home!

Blogger Laguna Beach Fogey September 26, 2015 9:50 AM  

Er...why was Wheeler banned? Had some good points.

Blogger VD September 26, 2015 9:54 AM  

Er...why was Wheeler banned? Had some good points.

I didn't ban him. Yet. I told him not to comment on this post because he says the same fucking thing every single fucking time, then suckers like you say "yah, that's a good point, let's talk some more about the fucking Masons and the Pope again" and then the same five people do their mutual masturbation thing in public while everyone else, including me, tunes out in disgust.

If you have certain subjects that are of particular interest to you that you wish to discuss on a regular basis, then start your own site. I am not your microphone.

Blogger Red Bane September 26, 2015 10:02 AM  

Has Wheeler been comprehensively rebutted?

Blogger Salt September 26, 2015 10:11 AM  

I fail to see how it is even remotely possible to assert the one and deny the other.

But assert one and deny the other it's been for quite some time; the Agenda for lack of a better term. The far left wing of the Ds has been increasingly running the narrative since they began co-opting, radicalizing it back in the ~60s. The Rs are hopeless in their current iteration. It's going to take a different party. When has necessity ever come from the ~center? It's going to take the Ultras and I've yet to see any taking the stage here.

Blogger Travis Landenwitsch September 26, 2015 10:18 AM  

Considering 200,000 people is less than one percent of the population of California, and just over one percent for New York I fail too see how a one year analysis has any significance.

Blogger David-093 September 26, 2015 10:19 AM  

"Calif Refugee: God, I hate the way you do things here in Texas. Back in California, we would..."

You have more patience than I, Clint. I would've lost it on him.

"You hate how we do it here? Then go the fuck back where you came from before you ruin my state like you parasites ruined yours."

Blogger Laguna Beach Fogey September 26, 2015 10:20 AM  

Indeed. I said he made some good points, not that we should talk about Masons and the Pope some more. That crap bores me.

Are we forbidden here from criticising our English forefathers? The Founding Fathers are certainly not blameless.

You will find that the cuckservatives who are all too eager to dump on White Californians, are the same cowards who refuse to utter publicly a negative word about Mexicans, Sudanese, or Laotians in their communities.

Blogger Dirk Manly September 26, 2015 10:36 AM  

@17
Forget "Rush Revere and the Brave Pilgrims"... read William Bradford's own account in "Of Plymouth Plantation" available here: http://mith.umd.edu/eada/html/display.php?docs=bradford_history.xml

Blogger rcocean September 26, 2015 10:38 AM  

"Apart from one Catholic, they all have Anglo names and professed some form of protestant faith."

Of the 8 who voted for "separation of Church and State: 1 was Jewish, 1 Catholic, and 6 Protestant. 7 of the 8 were Democrats.

Blogger VD September 26, 2015 10:45 AM  

Has Wheeler been comprehensively rebutted?

He hasn't even been read. You don't seem to understand. It doesn't matter whether he is correct or not. What matters is that he is off-topic and he is not going to hijack the discourse again. Often, when I see one of his walls of text containing the usual keywords, I simply click the trash can icon and confirm.

Blogger Noah B #120 September 26, 2015 10:46 AM  

"I fail to see how it is even remotely possible to assert the one and deny the other."

That is an interesting comparison to make, and you certainly have a good point here. Salt and Jack Amok both discussed the negative impact of emigration on England as it lost its most liberty-minded subjects, and this must have a much more significant effect than is generally assumed.

Blogger rcocean September 26, 2015 10:48 AM  

Most of the immigrants came to the USA - and this is really true after 1880 - not for the "Freedom" religious or otherwise but for Land, jobs, and money. The poorest Mexicans come here today because they want a 42 inch color TV and a nicer Car then they'd get in Mexico.

Blogger VD September 26, 2015 10:48 AM  

Considering 200,000 people is less than one percent of the population of California, and just over one percent for New York I fail too see how a one year analysis has any significance.

Because you're stupid. It doesn't matter whether you do a two-month or a ten-year study, it will show the same thing. I once sat on the board of a Minnesota television station. Of the 15 board members, all of whom had been Minnesota residents, only two were still Minnesota residents. And one had to be since she was the station manager.

Blogger rcocean September 26, 2015 10:50 AM  

You hate how we do it here? Then go the fuck back where you came from before you ruin my state like you parasites ruined yours."

You should say to immigrants too. Just change "state" for "Country".

Blogger Student in Blue September 26, 2015 10:53 AM  

Are we forbidden here from criticising our English forefathers? The Founding Fathers are certainly not blameless.

The point is that every topic is not about the Founding Fathers. Yet, invariably, whenever he posts he drags the topic to that.

An inability to leave a subject is a monomania.

Blogger VD September 26, 2015 10:56 AM  

Are we forbidden here from criticising our English forefathers? The Founding Fathers are certainly not blameless.

No. But you are forbidden from going on and on about them regardless of what the topic is.

Blogger Student in Blue September 26, 2015 11:02 AM  

Friendly reminder, it's not only the border states that have immigration issues and illegal immigrants.

It *has* spread to the Midwest as well, and not just from those getting pushed out of California.

OpenID Steve September 26, 2015 11:04 AM  

EVERYTHING AND ANYTHING THEY HAD (wipes away another tear) give a damn about Germany's laws and traditions?

Soft on crime, low crime=little competition, nude/clothing optional beaches, generous welfare system sounds like the perfect place for moslems as long as you can demand the natives stop drinking beer, eating sausage, & listening to music.
https://www.northeastshooters.com/vbulletin/threads/291479-Muslims-Demand-End-to-%e2%80%9cUn-Islamic%e2%80%9d-Oktoberfest-NOW-THEY-quot-RE-REALLY-PISSING-ME-OFF

"Muslims initiated a petition on Change.org urging the City of Munich to end Un-Islamic Oktoberfest.The annual event includes alcohol and nudity which Muslims believe are un-Islamic."

Considering 200,000 people is less than one percent of the population of California, and just over one percent for New York I fail too see how a one year analysis has any significance.

It is counting people that are net taxpayers, those who pay more in taxes than the receive from the govt. If you don't count govt workers that produce nothing, net taxpayers are only around 1/3 the population or less. Think of it this way Cuba had its right side of the bell curve come to the US and Mexico the far left tail of its bell curve. A city with 100,000 whites will have around 2000 people at least as smart as Einstein, and ~50,000 with an IQ over 100, a city with 100,000 blacks will only have ~15,000 blacks with an IQ over 100.

-BGS

Blogger Noah B #120 September 26, 2015 11:04 AM  

I don't find the idea that immigrants change their host country to be controversial at all. It only makes sense. But quantifying the effect that they have is difficult.

Blogger Jakeithus September 26, 2015 11:09 AM  

Things are exactly the same here in Canada. Alberta elected its first socialist government in a century thanks in large part to all the migrants from other provinces who came here to get away from the failing economic policies in their home provinces. In this case they really do believe that prosperity in Alberta is solely due to Magic Ground (and the oil it contains), while ignoring the fact that prosperity ends at the border with Saskatchewan while the oil doesn't.

Blogger RobertT September 26, 2015 11:19 AM  

226,763 people is a drop in the bucket. The only people who notice are statisticians. I've been talking to CA clients about this for years. CA has among the worst tax structures in the country. My clients all complain, but in the end, they hang around and nobody leaves. These people have genuine motivation because they write checks to pay their taxes. For the most of people, tax day is a happy day. They may pay a ton of taxes don't it doesn't hurt because it's withheld before they get what's left. And they ALWAYS get a refund. That's how the system is designed. It's a great con job. You can tell them to their face they're being conned and they'll just laugh about it. Trump is the only guy who talks about government the way I talk about it. Whatever his faults, he's our last and only hope.

Blogger Koanic September 26, 2015 11:27 AM  

Spare Wheeler!

^Says it all.

Blogger Daniel September 26, 2015 11:29 AM  

Texas needs to control its own border...to screen out Californians.

You may not want to be Little Mexico but you REALLY don't want to be Big Colorado.

Blogger Robert What? September 26, 2015 11:30 AM  

Unfortunately I suspect most fleeing Californians will vote and push for the same policies - the results of which they are now trying to flee. Most Liberals are just not smart enough to connect the dots if the dots are more than one millimeter from each other.

Blogger Noah B #120 September 26, 2015 11:34 AM  

"226,763 people is a drop in the bucket. The only people who notice are statisticians."

Given time, a trickle becomes a flood. The number of people leaving CA is enough that I noticed meeting many new people who had moved here from CA before I ever read that it was a national trend. Tellingly, most mention they are fleeing the high taxes but seldom mention the socialism.

"My clients all complain, but in the end, they hang around and nobody leaves."

Based on what you've said, your clients are generally employees (not self-employed or entrepreneurs) who, in spite of their relatively simple tax situations, still need an accountant. This excludes most well-informed people, and they are looking for always looking for an escape from high taxes.

Blogger Daniel September 26, 2015 11:36 AM  

In order to destroy the village, they have to save their asses first. Oklahoma should implement a charitable Okie repatriation program. Californians can move to Oklahoma without voting or speaking rights. Hand signals only. Also they have to spend the first year of residency in full time sevice to the local militia.

Blogger Josh September 26, 2015 11:36 AM  

Based on what you've said, your clients are generally employees (not self-employed or entrepreneurs) who, in spite of their relatively simple tax situations, still need an accountant.

How did you come to that conclusion from this?

I've been talking to CA clients about this for years. CA has among the worst tax structures in the country. My clients all complain, but in the end, they hang around and nobody leaves. These people have genuine motivation because they write checks to pay their taxes.

His clients sound like business owners.

Blogger Noah B #120 September 26, 2015 11:42 AM  

"They may pay a ton of taxes don't it doesn't hurt because it's withheld before they get what's left. And they ALWAYS get a refund."

That sounds like employees to me. Although based on the sentence you're focusing on, I can see where you'd think "business owners."

Blogger Josh September 26, 2015 11:45 AM  

That sounds like employees to me. Although based on the sentence you're focusing on, I can see where you'd think "business owners."

He's contrasting those people with his clients.

Blogger Noah B #120 September 26, 2015 11:45 AM  

For me, if I get a refund, it means I screwed up.

Blogger Noah B #120 September 26, 2015 11:46 AM  

OK, I definitely misread his post.

Blogger Josh September 26, 2015 11:46 AM  

Happens to the best of us.

Blogger Travis Landenwitsch September 26, 2015 12:11 PM  

VD,

A ten year study in California showed that almost five million left the state, but 3.9 million moved in. If people were actually fleeing to avoid Democratic rule the numbers of those leaving should he much higher.

Blogger Phunctor September 26, 2015 12:13 PM  

Assuming normal distribution of IQ:
Einstein IQ: 160
taking SD of 15
p(IQ < einstein): 0.99997
Expected peers / 100000: 3

Off by 66666%! Coincidence? I think not.

BGS IS SATAN!! WAKE UP SHEEPLE! /wheeler

Blogger Josh September 26, 2015 12:16 PM  

A ten year study in California showed that almost five million left the state, but 3.9 million moved in. If people were actually fleeing to avoid Democratic rule the numbers of those leaving should he much higher.

How many of those moving in are from other states and how many are moving in from other countries?

Blogger Josh September 26, 2015 12:18 PM  

Nevermind, Travis is Tad, isn't he?

Blogger Emmanuel Mateo-Morales September 26, 2015 12:32 PM  

Vox: "I am not your microphone."

Now THAT should be a bumper sticker... or a meme... or a twitter handle.

Blogger Jay Lucas September 26, 2015 12:46 PM  

"Muslims initiated a petition on Change.org urging the City of Munich to end Un-Islamic Oktoberfest.The annual event includes alcohol and nudity which Muslims believe are un-Islamic."

If I recall, this was from a joke article, like Sweden Bans Dancing. Neither would have been a surprise though.

Things are exactly the same here in Canada. Alberta elected its first socialist government in a century thanks in large part to all the migrants from other provinces who came here to get away from the failing economic policies in their home provinces. In this case they really do believe that prosperity in Alberta is solely due to Magic Ground (and the oil it contains), while ignoring the fact that prosperity ends at the border with Saskatchewan while the oil doesn't.

This explains a lot of what I've heard coming from Alberta. I guess Calgary will be joining Montreal, Toronto and Vancouver in that joke about how those cities "aren't really part of Canada."

If I am allowed to give advice here I would say turn off the news and stop reading that crap called intellectual conservatism.

For the younger generation, this has meant turning off Comedy Central and taking their news from twitter, facebook, reddit and tumblr.

That bumper sticker will do more good than all the essays in every conservative outlet put together because for some reason conservatives think they are too good to throw a rhetorical pilum to begin a conversation or debate.

And they're going to accuse you of throwing bombs anyway, never mind pointy, hurtful words. Might as well get the target practice in while you can.

Blogger Travis Landenwitsch September 26, 2015 12:46 PM  

Josh,

Those numbers were not provided. It made it seem like this was state to state movement, but I can't say for sure.

I know two people with names beginning with T must be confusing, but I am Travis. I can't be Tad for you.

Blogger BunE22 September 26, 2015 12:49 PM  

I don't see how you can compare the immigrants of the late 1800s to the early 1900s to the immigrants of today. The Italians in my and my husband's families fled Italy because socialism didn't work. They did not come here bringing a socialist mentality, they were more like the pioneers that headed west.

My husband's maternal grandfather occasionally traveled back to Italy to visit family. He told his two daughters that if he should die there they were to bring his body back and bury it here because he's an American.

Both of our families worked hard and bettered themselves and passed that work ethic onto their children. Husband's family has always been self employed businessmen. So is my husband, so are 2 of my 3 children, the third is in college. My family would have starved before taking welfare. When my father was out of work for months due to a strike he got a part time job as a school bus driver and also worked as a handyman at a Yacht Club. My mother went to work in a factory. My oldest brother kicked in some of his salary.

These are the people you think have no right to be here? No one in either of our families has voted democrat, they are all conservative, but they're the problem.

I'm quite sick of the finger pointing here, what does it solve? We still have an illegal immigrant problem, immigrants from third world nations and that makes all the difference.

As far as people moving Democrat states to Republican states: I live in NY. We have the largest Jewish population. Throughout my whole life the Jews were known to pack up and move to Florida after retirement. Yet Florida is a Republican state, go figure.

OpenID fidelioesp September 26, 2015 12:53 PM  

Having lived in Arizona for a number of years, I can see the effects of thousands upon thousands of California refugees upon the state's politics -- higher taxes and more intrusive government. I often say if I could choose between white Californians and Mexicans, I'd take the Mexicans.

OpenID Jack Amok September 26, 2015 12:55 PM  

Most of the immigrants came to the USA - and this is really true after 1880 - not for the "Freedom" religious or otherwise but for Land, jobs, and money

Yep, that's a huge difference. When they left everything behind (WTE)* because they couldn't stand what they were leaving behind even though where they came from was more prosperous than where they were going, then we were pulling from the liberty loving (or at least self-reliant) end of whatever gene pool they came from. But when they migrated from poverty towards prosperity, we're just pulling from the failure end of the gene pool who couldn't hack it where they were.

* wipes tear from eye, used like (TM) for Trademark to indicate a registered rhetorical device

Blogger Josh September 26, 2015 12:58 PM  

But here is what I find interesting. Many of the same people who correctly understand that there is a serious political problem that arises from Californians moving to Colorado, New Yorkers moving to North Carolina and Minnesotans moving to Texas will nevertheless deny that the Irish, Italians, Germans, Scandinavians, and Jews, all of whom came from political cultures far more different from the political tradition established by the English U.S. Founding Fathers, could possibly have had any negative effect on the resulting American political scene.

Joseph Palmi: Let me ask you something... we Italians, we got our families, and we got the church; the Irish, they have the homeland, Jews their tradition; even the niggers, they got their music. What about you people, Mr. Wilson, what do you have?
Edward Wilson: The United States of America. The rest of you are just visiting.

OpenID Jack Amok September 26, 2015 1:09 PM  

How many of those moving in are from other states and how many are moving in from other countries?

And of those moving from other states, how many are moving from other states that are also Democratic hell-holes (just with worse weather)?

Anyway, of the people moving out of California and voting for screwy politics in their new locations, I'd make rough estimates that a third of them were born somewhere other than CA and 90% of the rest had parents or grandparents born somewhere else. Very few come from families living in CA before WWII. The people that came to CA before then built industries out of scratch. The people that came after that simply tried to ride the coattails of that success, and they were a different sort of people.

California is a perfect example of open borders coupled with universal suffrage ruining a prosperous land.

Blogger Cecil Henry September 26, 2015 1:10 PM  

This is the problem with the whole liberal parasitic mindset

They want diversity- for other people, not them.'
They want high taxes and state control-- for others but not for them.

So they create chaos, ugliness, poverty and coercive communities--- and then move on.

That;s the problem Don;t let them move on to do it again.

Make them stay in the bed they make.

Blogger Danby September 26, 2015 1:15 PM  

@BunE22
Are they still Democrats?

Blogger Josh September 26, 2015 1:17 PM  

I don't see how you can compare the immigrants of the late 1800s to the early 1900s to the immigrants of today.

I wonder why you would say that.

The Italians in my and my husband's families fled Italy because socialism didn't work.

Oh...that's why...

Blogger Cail Corishev September 26, 2015 1:23 PM  

BunE22, your solipsism is showing. It's fair to say that we commenters here are odd ducks, not very representative of our ethnic groups (or other groups we belong to), and as a woman posting here you're even more of an outlier than most. So it wouldn't be surprising if our ancestors from a few generations back were outliers from their own ethnic groups as well. We can't judge entire waves of immigrants based on your great-grandparents or mine.

The point isn't whether you or I "deserve" to be here. The point is that people like us have been indoctrinated all our lives to think that immigration can never be questioned because our recent ancestors were hard-working Christians who built good families and communities and never asked for handouts. One way to combat that is to point out that today's immigrants and invaders are not our grandparents' immigrants. But another way to combat it is to point out that even those wonderful ancestors of ours had effects on the country that were not as overwhelmingly positive as we've been taught. They might have been good for their families and communities, but they weren't necessarily good for the rest of the country's posterity, which means we have to consider that possibility with today's migrants as well.

OpenID Jack Amok September 26, 2015 1:27 PM  

I think you are apply too much credit/blame to the effect of race and nationality here.. just because someone is an italian doesnt mean they cant see the value of a different political system...

No, of course not. Genetic averages don't tell you anything definitive about a single individual. They only become relevant when discussing large groups. That's why immigration in small numbers is vastly different that hordes of immigrants.

Blogger JartStar September 26, 2015 1:31 PM  

The amusing thing will be to watch the states who are losing residents because they will deny the problem even exist as long as possible and if they choose to do anything they will simply double down on the same policies that have gotten themselves into this situation. Can you imagine the Blue Ribbon committees that will spend a year looking at the problem then release 100 new pages of regulations and a handful of new taxes for businesses and then call it the "state business growth tax reduction program."

OpenID Jack Amok September 26, 2015 1:34 PM  

One way to combat that is to point out that today's immigrants and invaders are not our grandparents' immigrants. But another way to combat it is to point out that even those wonderful ancestors of ours had effects on the country that were not as overwhelmingly positive

I wonder though, it's a tough call. Dialect says draw a distinction between pre- and post 1820-ish immigrants, but maybe rhetoric would be better drawing it a century later. Tell the Irish and Italians they're on our side. We have a big enough job repatriating the post-1986 invaders.

Blogger VD September 26, 2015 1:52 PM  

Very few come from families living in CA before WWII.

As it happens, I come from an old California family on the maternal side which predates use of the term "California".

Blogger Cail Corishev September 26, 2015 1:56 PM  

Jack, I agree, and not just because I don't want to be deported. It's hard enough to convince Americans that we can deport 11 million illegals. A plan to roll back to 1820 or whatever is a total non-starter and will just make people back away from you slowly.

But when talking to my German-Irish family and neighbors, who venerate their immigrant ancestors, it helps to be able to say, "Even as great as Grandpa and Grandma Bauer were, the huge wave of people they came with presented problems for their new nation. If there hadn't been so many all at once, they would have had more opportunities and assimilated faster, and the nation would have absorbed them more easily." They can be reached with that argument, which leads naturally into moratorium talk.

Blogger Sheila4g September 26, 2015 2:25 PM  

@73 Cail - once again, spot on. Whether one calls oneself an odd duck or a special snowflake, anyone with rational powers of observation and a little bit of self-understanding can see that posters here are not necessarily representative of their families, let alone ethnic groups. I've been the family pariah/trouble maker for decades precisely because of my independence of thought and challenging of accepted wisdom and the status quo. I no more represent my extended family and relatives than the most magic negro represents his. And even then, I recognize in myself certain troubling habits or tendencies, and whether they're due to genes or environment or a combination of both, they're still there.

OpenID joeholocaust September 26, 2015 2:26 PM  

Socialism does work when done the right way and there are plenty of ways to do capitalism 'wrong' with resultant failures of states.
Mussolini made the trains run on time and drained the Pontine Swamps - a source of disease from malaria carrying mosquitos. Much fertile farmland was created in these types of projects. Benito was responsible for the Autostrada del Mare, Italy's version of Germany's Autobahn, National Socialism's achievement which came after Mussolini's highway. Many more achievements by socialism occurred when socialists had the opportunity. Many could have been accomplished by capitalists when they were in control but they didn't. National Socialists did in difficult circumstances either following the Great War or during the Great Depression.

Blogger Josh September 26, 2015 2:36 PM  

Socialism does work when done the right way

Wrong.

Blogger David-093 September 26, 2015 2:39 PM  

I have a question: in the grand scheme of things, where do mutts fit in? One side of my family's been in the country since 1650 and the other side came here around 1900. Do we count as Americans, half-Americans, or what?

Blogger David-093 September 26, 2015 2:40 PM  

"Socialism does work when done the right way"

There is no right way to do it.

Blogger JimR September 26, 2015 2:52 PM  

@80 "Mussolini made the trains run on time"

"Like almost all the supposed achievements of Fascism, the timely trains are a myth, nurtured and propagated by a leader with a journalist's flair for symbolism, verbal trickery and illusion."

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/rear-window-making-italy-work-did-mussolini-really-get-the-trains-running-on-time-1367688.html

Blogger BunE22 September 26, 2015 2:54 PM  

@Danby

I wouldn't know. I only wrote what I have knowledge of. I'm not sure why they would change their political stance after retirement.

@Josh

Sure, brush off the things I said that you can't or won't address. Are you American? Where are your ancestors from? Keep in mind that if they were from Britain they were invaders of America too.

@Cail

The fact that I'm an outlier shows I haven't been indoctrinated, I don't know who "we" is. As far as "deserves to be here" my comment is based on things I've read here by more than one poster, I'm fairly sure you've read them. While I certainly don't believe all Italian immigrants were good people, I point out one example (my own) to show they weren't all bad either.

It's easy to lump a demographic together and never make exceptions but it's not very realistic. Not all the British that came here were for independence, yet their descendants get to ride the coattails of those that were.

My solipsism? The comments here are rife with "I/We belong here, but you don't." The only ones in America that have a rightful claim are the Native Americans, but that's conveniently overlooked when posters defend their personal right to be here because muh ancestors fought in the Revolution, or came here on the Mayflower. They were still immigrants and maybe not as holy as some think considering they didn't safeguard the founding principles of the country well enough.

I don't consider any nationality to be all good, therefore I can't consider any to be all bad. There are always exceptions, and exceptional people belong here no matter where they're from.

Blogger automatthew September 26, 2015 2:55 PM  

Nevermind, Travis is Tad, isn't he?

My sources say No.

OpenID Jack Amok September 26, 2015 3:12 PM  

As it happens, I come from an old California family on the maternal side which predates use of the term "California".

Your Indian heritage? Or Spaniards from New Spain?

OpenID joeholocaust September 26, 2015 3:16 PM  

@82 That's kind of a dumb question, David. If you mean mutt because your older rooted half is New Amsterdam Jewry then in my opinion you are a Jew regardless of your other half. If both halves are white then you are American with a varied euro heritage.

Josh and David - Please elaborate by telling us if what economic system does work if one exists.

OpenID Jack Amok September 26, 2015 3:20 PM  

But when talking to my German-Irish family and neighbors, who venerate their immigrant ancestors, it helps to be able to say, "...If there hadn't been so many all at once...

Yes, somehow you have to dance around the potentially touchy point that Great Grandma and Grandpa were - whether they admitted it or not - trying to get away from other Germans. A task that's a bit difficult if they bring too many other Germans with them.

Or Italians, or Irish, or...

Which makes me think, in a culture war, fleeing is probably ultimately futile. Too many people in the middle contribute to a broken culture without realizing they are part of the problem, they just know they don't like the results. So when you flee, a bunch of them tend to flee with you and repeat their same mistakes.

OpenID Jack Amok September 26, 2015 3:24 PM  

The amusing thing will be to watch the states who are losing residents because they will deny the problem even exist as long as possible and if they choose to do anything they will simply double down on the same policies that have gotten themselves into this situation. Can you imagine...

I sure can. I imagine it will be a lot like how cities responded to "white flight" - by trying to expand their political control through regional agencies and claims that their left behind dregs were "underprivileged" and needed access to the resources of the more productive people they drove away.

Blogger JaimeInTexas September 26, 2015 3:28 PM  

I heard on NPR, this morning, about Syrians in Brazil flying the Syria flag and how they are maintaining their Syrian roots.

OpenID joeholocaust September 26, 2015 3:32 PM  

@84 "Like almost all the supposed achievements of Fascism, the timely trains are a myth...

I know that the trains didn't always run on time but I put that in to lure rebuttals from those who have been thoroughly brainwashed by jew-controlled media. The piece you cited focused on the train punctuality which is hard to verify anyway but makes no reference to the draining of the Pontine Marshes which IS easy to verify. Mussolini did that. Capitalists didn't and they did no better with the trains or transportation infrastructure either. Before Mussolini, Italy was a sex tourism site for wealthier northern Europeans esp. Germans and British preying on impoverished Italian youth. With Mussolini, Italians could stand proudly again. I'm not saying Mussolini or Hitler made no mistakes but Italians let down Mussolini a lot more than Mussolini let down Italy. I'm not Italian. I am a Canadian of Slavic ancestry. Grinder.

Blogger JaimeInTexas September 26, 2015 3:34 PM  

Checkout the representation number in the Congress.

Blogger JimR September 26, 2015 3:36 PM  

@92 So do you claim that "Mussolini made the trains run on time" or were you simply lying?

Blogger Harsh September 26, 2015 3:38 PM  

Er...why was Wheeler banned? Had some good points.

I thought we were a bit smarter than that around here.

Blogger Harsh September 26, 2015 3:40 PM  

Nevermind, Travis is Tad, isn't he?

He claims not to be. I think he's just borderline retarded.

Blogger Cail Corishev September 26, 2015 3:46 PM  

As far as "deserves to be here" my comment is based on things I've read here by more than one poster, I'm fairly sure you've read them.

Sure, I've read them. But they don't seem "rife" to me because I don't take them personally. I recognize them for the rhetoric they are. I'm more likely to be struck by lightning sitting here at my desk than deported because too few of my ancestors were here before a particular date, so it would be foolish to get upset about it.

At the same time, though I'm glad to be here and think my family has been a net positive, I can agree with people who say the US would have been better off in the long run staying small and English, and if my ancestors had staked out their own nations in the frontier that the US wouldn't have expanded into so quickly in that case. It might be nice to know what we would have done without someone else's country to move into.

If you get this incensed about random people criticizing your ethnic group, even from a century away, aren't you kinda proving their point that your group was too insular and self-concerned to assimilate well into a different culture in large numbers?

Blogger JaimeInTexas September 26, 2015 3:47 PM  

It works until the pre-socialism built up capital is spent. Then, the trains are always on time because they do not run at all.

OpenID joeholocaust September 26, 2015 3:50 PM  

@94 I was repeating an often mentioned claim that likely somewhat exaggerated the improvements Mussolini made. I do believe that train promptness did improve but not to perfect punctuality and stand by that as the meaning for making the 'trains run on time'. An improvement over service under liberal democrats qualifies. Now what about the Pontine Marshes, Jim? Do you concede that Mussolini did that and that it was a good thing and that therefore the piece you cited was lying about 'almost all' of Mussolini's 'supposed' accomplishments being 'a myth'?

OpenID joeholocaust September 26, 2015 3:53 PM  

@98 It works until the pre-socialism built up capital is spent

Is that what happened when Weimar Republic Germany became National Socialist Germany? I didn't realize that Weimar had accumulated such vast amounts of capital if that is the case.

Blogger Travis Landenwitsch September 26, 2015 3:54 PM  

Harsh,

SJWs always project. Way to go!

Blogger Josh September 26, 2015 4:09 PM  

I am a Canadian of Slavic ancestry. Grinder.

You realize that Hitler and Mussolini hated Slavs, don't you?

Blogger Harsh September 26, 2015 4:10 PM  

I was wrong. I might have to reconsider the "borderline" part.

Blogger David-093 September 26, 2015 4:12 PM  

"Please elaborate by telling us if what economic system does work if one exists. "

The free market, for starters, basically what we had for about 350 years of British-American and American history.

Blogger Josh September 26, 2015 4:14 PM  

If you mean mutt because your older rooted half is New Amsterdam Jewry then in my opinion you are a Jew regardless of your other half. If both halves are white then you are American with a varied euro heritage.

As a Slav, you're no better than a Jew.

Blogger Sheila4g September 26, 2015 4:18 PM  

@97 Cail (again): "If you get this incensed about random people criticizing your ethnic group, even from a century away, aren't you kinda proving their point that your group was too insular and self-concerned to assimilate well into a different culture in large numbers?"

I see this a LOT at various sites. I'll read some reasonable, even slightly alt/right viewpoints and then someone makes an insufficiently veiled comment about a particular ethnic group, and they go rabid. Spout off various false historical tropes to demonstrate why they and theirs were the best thing since sliced bread.

Taking internet criticism personally means you have an axe to grind and really aren't reading or commenting to debate or learn, but to defend and accuse. Not my purposes.

Blogger Travis Landenwitsch September 26, 2015 4:19 PM  

SJWs always double down.

Blogger rycamor September 26, 2015 4:21 PM  

@81 @83 81. Josh September 26, 2015 2:36 PM

Socialism does work when done the right way

Wrong.

83. David-093 September 26, 2015 2:40 PM

"Socialism does work when done the right way"

There is no right way to do it.


As Markku and I were discussing yesterday, socialism can at least be survived better in certain societies. Northern Europeans with a monolithic culture and racial heritage also had a strong work ethic and a strong sense of tribal loyalty (if you can't prepare for winter, we all may die), so when they adopted socialism, it did in fact "work", although the point wasn't that the socialism worked but that the society did. When other cultures (especially in tropical and temperate regions) looked at their success and adopted socialism wholesale, things turned out considerably more... chaotic. They mistook the engine for the fuel.

Blogger Josh September 26, 2015 4:21 PM  

The free market, for starters, basically what we had for about 350 years of British-American and American history.

What he said.

Blogger Josh September 26, 2015 4:22 PM  

As Markku and I were discussing yesterday, socialism can at least be survived better in certain societies. Northern Europeans with a monolithic culture and racial heritage also had a strong work ethic and a strong sense of tribal loyalty (if you can't prepare for winter, we all may die), so when they adopted socialism, it did in fact "work", although the point wasn't that the socialism worked but that the society did.

It works in the sense that it takes longer for the money to run out.

Blogger Harsh September 26, 2015 4:38 PM  

Socialism does work when done the right way and there are plenty of ways to do capitalism 'wrong' with resultant failures of states.

Capitalism does seem to have a tendency to survive even when done "wrong" whereas socialism fails in all historical examples I can think of. I would argue that moral systems tend to survive despite human foibles, while immoral systems always eventually fail.

Blogger Were-Puppy September 26, 2015 4:49 PM  

@80 joeholocaust
Socialism does work when done the right way and there are plenty of ways to do capitalism 'wrong' with resultant failures of states.
Mussolini made the trains run on time and drained the Pontine Swamps - a source of disease from malaria carrying mosquitos. Much fertile farmland was created in these types of projects. Benito was responsible for the Autostrada del Mare, Italy's version of Germany's Autobahn, National Socialism's achievement which came after Mussolini's highway. Many more achievements by socialism occurred when socialists had the opportunity. Many could have been accomplished by capitalists when they were in control but they didn't. National Socialists did in difficult circumstances either following the Great War or during the Great Depression.
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So by your example, fascism is the correct way to do socialism?

Blogger Were-Puppy September 26, 2015 4:54 PM  

@90 Jack Amok
The amusing thing will be to watch the states who are losing residents because they will deny the problem even exist as long as possible and if they choose to do anything they will simply double down on the same policies that have gotten themselves into this situation. Can you imagine...

I sure can. I imagine it will be a lot like how cities responded to "white flight" - by trying to expand their political control through regional agencies and claims that their left behind dregs were "underprivileged" and needed access to the resources of the more productive people they drove away.
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Is this like Detroit, and places like Baltimore following rapidly behind? Could that happen to an entire state? I suppose it could, given enough time.

Blogger Red Bane September 26, 2015 4:58 PM  

"Joseph Palmi: Let me ask you something... we Italians, we got our families, and we got the church; the Irish, they have the homeland, Jews their tradition; even the niggers, they got their music. What about you people, Mr. Wilson, what do you have?
Edward Wilson: The United States of America. The rest of you are just visiting.
"

And yet the American secular experiment is in tatters after a mere 240 odd years, despite the narrative surrounding the ideological and practical robustness of its foundational ideology due its ethnic origins of near angelic status. The nigger still has his music, the Irishman his homeland. The Italian, I guess, cannot be said to have his Church any longer due to the infiltration of Marxists and pederasts. I suspect the latter will be a short lived however as God will not be mocked. A reckoning is coming to the RC Church.

OpenID joeholocaust September 26, 2015 5:00 PM  

@109 We never had free market nor have we been close to one. The biggest period of expansion was one of tariffs. As tariffs fall and trade is more globalized we have lost jobs and median living standards have fallen in real terms. Liberal border policies have deposited millions of muds on our streets with its accompanying crime and disease while wealth is being increasingly concentrated. If America is a capitalist country, it is a failing one.

OpenID joeholocaust September 26, 2015 5:08 PM  

@112 So by your example, fascism is the correct way to do socialism?
I am saying that National Socialism is the best economic system of those being discussed here. This greatly differs from Marxist Socialism which aims for the destruction of all nations (save Israel) beginning with the white ones. National Socialism has few examples in history and were unsuccessful because International Jewry used their financial, media and political control over other white countries to martial them to stamp out anti-communist Nationalism in Germany. Grinder.

OpenID joeholocaust September 26, 2015 5:27 PM  

You realize that Hitler and Mussolini hated Slavs, don't you?

As a Slav, you're no better than a Jew.

Hitler and Mussolini erred by coveting the resources and territories of Slavs. I don't recommend copying everything Hitler said and did but I do support Germany having the right to be free of foreigners as I do for any nation. I think George Lincoln Rockwell is a far better template of what an American leader should be. He observed that the Jews have employed and continue to do so with fair success the method of driving wedges between whites by nationality because of past animosity. The best way to defeat whites, Jews have found, is to have one half of them destroy the other half and repeat as often as necessary. National Socialism, as Rockwell expressed it, would ultimately prevail over an awakened America because he believed that he or later leaders would halt infighting based on originating from different corners of Europe or for differing interpretations of Scripture (Catholic vs. Protestant etc. or atheism vs. theists). So, by trying to keep the Aryans vs. Slavs trope alive, you are just acting exactly how Jews want you to, Josh.
Americans should get over their anti-Russian, anti-Slavic moanings that is fuelled by their covetousness of Russia's vast territories and resources. It's a game run by Jews. If they have their way, they will get their hands on all of it, Russia's and yours. White Pride, World Wide. Grinder.

Blogger David-093 September 26, 2015 5:31 PM  

"If you mean mutt because your older rooted half is New Amsterdam Jewry then in my opinion you are a Jew regardless of your other half. If both halves are white then you are American with a varied euro heritage."

Both halves are white. I'm not the least bit Eastern European or Jewish.

Blogger Red Bane September 26, 2015 5:36 PM  

Mr. Wilson, what do you have?
Edward Wilson: The United States of America. The rest of you are just visiting.


And Professor Carroll Quigley was of the opinion that Britain never really lost control over events in the US after 1890 or so. Might explain a few things

Blogger Red Bane September 26, 2015 5:46 PM  

If you get this incensed about random people criticizing your ethnic group, even from a century away, aren't you kinda proving their point that your group was too insular and self-concerned to assimilate well into a different culture in large numbers

Perhaps the New World was bereft of the depth of culture and spiritual consolation that the arrivals had previously been used too? Sure, work was plentiful and economically many saw great improvement, but man does not live on bread alone, and bread alone became the Englishman's mantra.It became obvious after a while that bread alone wasn't going to cut it, so someone had to invent American football to keep the natives from getting restless.

Blogger Sheila4g September 26, 2015 5:56 PM  

Off topic - is Markku around? I noticed this Sailer post asserting refugees are leaving Finland because it's not vibrant enough; I'd be interested in hearing his comments.

Blogger Harsh September 26, 2015 6:02 PM  

Americans should get over their anti-Russian, anti-Slavic moanings that is fuelled by their covetousness of Russia's vast territories and resources.

Really? You want to stick with that answer?

Blogger Danby September 26, 2015 6:09 PM  

A reckoning is coming to the RC Church.
as a (sometimes described) rabid Catholic, I sure as hell hope so.

@Joe
Any time a new group rises to power, some things will improve as they remove the worst of the corrupticrats and clean up the chaos that got them elected. A short-lived improvement in small things is not indicative of anything.

Of the 4 fascist regimes that have existed, why was the longest-lived only 50 years old when it died? Why was the most successful country (Spain's) economy moribund through that whole time? Granted, it wasn't the economic or totalitarian shithole that Russia or Cuba were, but most people had a fairly stagnant to slowly declining standard of living, no great works were undertaken, and the built-up capital of the country was eroded to a pittance.

Blogger Danby September 26, 2015 6:32 PM  

@121 Sheila4g
Off topic - is Markku around? I noticed this Sailer post asserting refugees are leaving Finland because it's not vibrant enough; I'd be interested in hearing his comments.

Might have something to do with the locals spontaneously burning down the refugee centers and assaulting the busses with rocks and fireworks. Not a big step to getting out grandfather's old Mosin.

Blogger BunE22 September 26, 2015 7:04 PM  

@ Cail

I'm not worried about being deported so I'm not upset about it.

Wondering what could have been isn't something I waste much time on, but if America had stayed small and English it may never have risen to be a super power. How different the world would be then can also be contemplated, but would still be a fruitless exercise. We don't know that America would have been better off, it's an unknown.

It can as easily be said that the English that originally came here were a group that was too insular and self-concerned to assimilate well into their own culture in their homeland. But that's okay because they were immigrants in a new land, destroyed that culture, built a new one and are paragons. It's the hypocrisy that bothers me.

How you conclude I'm incensed is a mystery to me but you have the right to think so. Being somewhat new here I'm still learning the ropes. In an effort to understand; if some here post about their ethnicity being the best ever and state other ethnicities should have never been allowed in the US it's rhetoric? Replying to it is taking it too personal? It can't just be an exchange of opinions? Dialogue bad, rhetoric good? Then I and others of Italian ancestry can post about how our ethnicity is the best ever and it's just rhetoric. I think I've got it, as I said in another thread, I don't understand rhetoric very well but I keep trying.

Notice how I didn't ascribe any emotions to you.

Blogger Harsh September 26, 2015 7:12 PM  

It can as easily be said that the English that originally came here were a group that was too insular and self-concerned to assimilate well into their own culture in their homeland.

Someone that ignorant of history shouldn't be allowed to comment here.

Blogger BunE22 September 26, 2015 7:47 PM  

@Harsh

How is that not true? If they were fleeing religious persecution why didn't they just assimilate, in the sense of adopt or integrate into, the prevailing religion of their own country?

Isn't that one of the arguments here regarding ME immigrants? They don't assimilate, even if they're not Muslim, and instead should stay in their homeland. I'm confused. The British didn't come here and assimilate into NA culture yet assimilation is the marker used to determine who should come here. Obviously I'm missing something.

Believe it or not, I come here to learn. There have been good discussions on wars, as well as past and current global politics. You can educate or you can denigrate, but if I don't meet your standards don't read my posts. I don't care.

If Vox thinks I should go all he has to do is say so and I'm gone.

Blogger Harsh September 26, 2015 7:51 PM  

You start by not being a butthurt little bitch.

Blogger BunE22 September 26, 2015 7:55 PM  

Dude, if you're going to say something to me I'm going to respond, it has nothing to do with being butthurt. Project much?

That was rhetorical, no need to answer.

Blogger Harsh September 26, 2015 8:13 PM  

/facepalm

(with apologies to Nate)

OpenID Jack Amok September 26, 2015 9:00 PM  

Could that happen to an entire state? I suppose it could, given enough time.

Well, I'm not sure if it could work on a bigger scale, but I am sure they will try it. In fact, I'm sure they will keep trying it at bigger and bigger scales until it doesn't work. It's what they always do when they run out of other people's money and social capital - go look for more.

Socialists - strip mining the culture and economy for 170 years!

Blogger Lana J September 26, 2015 9:31 PM  

BunE22...you're entire first post was about being butthurt because not all Italians are like that. That might be true, but it's statistically irrelevant. It's the math. For instance, women shouldn't have the right to vote because they are easily manipulated by emotional baloney that allows liberals to win. Yes or no?

Blogger Harsh September 26, 2015 11:02 PM  

Shit, I didn't realize BunE22 was a chick. Consider my comments withdrawn in toto.

Blogger Josh September 26, 2015 11:41 PM  

White Pride, World Wide. Grinder.

Slavs are as white as Jews are.

Blogger BunE22 September 27, 2015 12:48 AM  

@Lana J

Yeah, my first post was about how not all Italians are like that. I may be statistically irrelevant, but how do we know most Italian Americans aren't like that? If you know they aren't, how do you know?

Going by younger female voters I'd say yes. However, many young men are little better than females and I don't think putting the vote in their hands is a smart move either. I would be on board with the only voters being land owners and/or those that pay a certain threshold in income taxes, those with skin in the game like the founders intended it, but it won't happen. Just like women losing the right to vote won't happen regardless of if I said yes.

I had a longer post but cut it down, I talk too much. I'm just not sure if most women that lean left/liberal are being emotionally manipulated or are doing the manipulating.


@Harsh

Why? I don't expect or want special treatment because I'm a chick. I can take it and give it back.

Blogger Harsh September 27, 2015 1:10 AM  

Slavs are as white as Jews are.

Interesting point. Slavs seem to be roughly as violent as Africans plus or minus 10 percent. However, they seem to be intelligent enough. I've had several Russian programmers under me in the past and they were adequate coders.

But to the question of whether or not they are as white as Jews, tough to answer. Jews have a singular loyalty, i.e., to Judaism/Israel. Russians may be capable of extending themselves beyond that sort of narrow identification, I don't know. But I'll take a slav over most of the vermin we're letting into this country these days.

Blogger Harsh September 27, 2015 1:11 AM  

I don't expect or want special treatment because I'm a chick. I can take it and give it back.

That's nice, sweetie.

Blogger Groot September 27, 2015 4:51 PM  

Joe Holocaust goose-steps in, decrying the "jew-controlled media," and praising fascism and nazis. But he owns the term "socialism." This is quite a breakthrough. When the socialists own Hitler and Mussolini, socialism has jumped the shark. Took long enough.

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