ALL BLOG POSTS AND COMMENTS COPYRIGHT (C) 2003-2016 VOX DAY. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. REPRODUCTION WITHOUT WRITTEN PERMISSION IS EXPRESSLY PROHIBITED.

Sunday, September 06, 2015

Can Trump win?

The professionals aren't necessarily taking him seriously, but they are starting to take him into consideration:
I talked with Republican wise men last week — sober establishment strategists who have seen many presidential campaigns come and go — to ask them how long the improbable popularity of Donald Trump can last. Reassure me, I said: He can't actually win, right?

Their answers surprised me.

"It's not inconceivable," Vin Weber, a former congressman (and Jeb Bush supporter) told me. "It doesn't look as if he's going to implode any time soon…. It's hard for me to say this, but he actually seems to be getting better as a candidate."

"Trump has put himself on the short list of five or six names who could win the nomination," said another GOP operative who insisted on anonymity because he's working for one of those other candidates. "It's not impossible that he could win."

Until a few weeks ago, the conventional wisdom held that Trump was merely a summer fling for angry voters, a protest candidate whose insults and braggadocio would soon impose a ceiling on his support. But recent polls suggest that Trump has raised that ceiling.

He's leading almost every horse race poll — although at this stage, those numbers are utterly unreliable as predictors of real voter behavior. (At this point in 2011, the polls were led by Texas Gov. Rick Perry; in 2007, by former New York Mayor Rudolph Giuliani.)

More telling are polls that measure whether Trump has made himself acceptable to Republicans.

A Quinnipiac University poll last month found that 30% of GOP voters had an unfavorable view of Trump — worse than most other candidates but a big improvement from the 52% that Trump scored in May.

In Iowa, where the first GOP contest is held, the percentage of likely Republican caucus-goers who say they could never vote for Trump has fallen from 58% in May to 29%, according to a Des Moines Register-Bloomberg News poll.
It's still unlikely; the early polls are meaningless. But that being said, none of the other Republican candidates look very impressive, and the images of the European invasion crisis are only going to magnify his advantage on the immigration issue.

And on the Democratic side, the picture is looking even more chaotic and unsettled. I wouldn't be surprised if Hillary suddenly develops health issues that force her to end her campaign. Obama has clearly indicated that he's not going to cover for her; he's not going to sink her either, as he could, but he doesn't appear to have any intention of helping her out.

Labels:

143 Comments:

Blogger RobertT September 06, 2015 11:56 AM  

I have a long & disappointing acquaintance with politics and politicians, but I love Trump. And people who have never been inclined toward politics volunteer the same intense feelings, unprovoked. I don't think the polls capture the intensity of Trumps popularity. People regard him as a savior. Some saviors end up like Barabbas, but others ....

Anonymous WillBest September 06, 2015 11:59 AM  

I am convinced the Obamas and the Clintons have a MAD relationship. He will slow walk the DOJ the best he can, but he isn't going to join team Hillary, because there is a really good chance shits going to hit the fan despite their best efforts and he doesn't want to be standing anywhere near her when it does. Nor does he want her so angry at him that the Clinton's nuke him out of spite.

As for Trump... he is likely to get my vote. He doesn't mean what he says, but at least he is saying things I want to hear, which is sadly a giant step in the right direction. At least it will be on record for the next politician that there are a lot of votes to be had by striking a nationalist tone.

Blogger pyrrhus September 06, 2015 11:59 AM  

There aren't any other candidates. If Jeb gets nominated, it will be a massacre with most conservatives staying home...

Anonymous JI September 06, 2015 12:02 PM  

It's nice to think that the the rank-and-file members of the Republican party will actually get to choose their candidate, but it sure looks like the Republican Establishment has chosen Jeb Bush as their candidate, and when was the last time the Establishment didn't get the candidate they wanted? Reagan? And before Reagan probably Goldwater. I can't remember any other non-establishment candidates.

Anonymous farmer Tom September 06, 2015 12:14 PM  

From Proverbs 27:15 NASB
"A constant dripping on a day of steady rain And a contentious woman are alike;"

I think that he has peaked. My guess is, that he will slowly lose numbers over the next 5 months as his shitck begins to grate more and more on people, even his erstwhile supporters.

Any comparisons of Trump and a contentious woman are.......well............I leave that up to you.

Anonymous Real Republican September 06, 2015 12:17 PM  

No Movement That Embraces Trump Can Call Itself Conservative natl.re/k1B7XN

Blogger IM2L844 September 06, 2015 12:17 PM  

I'm still not convinced this is a serious presidential bid. He's not willing to do the homework. Trump is likely still on the cost effective side promoting The Trump Organization LLC with his efforts thus far. The tell will come if his poll numbers become more commensurate with a couple other candidates.

Anonymous farmer Tom September 06, 2015 12:21 PM  

It will also be interesting to see if the "conservative" "christian" will rally around one candidate or again split their votes between 4 or 5 other candidates like the Huckster and Ricky Boy Santorum.

Being here in Iowa, I see a real push to pick one conservative candidate to run against Trump and the establishments golden boy, whoever that may be.

Blogger Cail Corishev September 06, 2015 12:27 PM  

Sailer had some interesting polling results on Trump this morning. First, he polled 45-40 over Hillary recently, so I guess his "ceiling" is up to 45% now. I'm sure someone will be along soon to tell us how it can't go any higher than that again.

He also polled best among people who claim to be very informed about politics. So much for the idea that maybe his support is all from the clueless who don't know nothin' and just want entertainment.

Regionally, he did best in the Midwest. I wouldn't have expected that; we're generally not that fond of ostentatious New York tycoons.

He got 25% among blacks. As Steve said, if that continues, Democrats are going to freak the heck out. Not so much because they need those votes -- 2% of the white vote in a few states is more important than the entire black vote -- but because being the Black Party has been their moral center for a long time. If they lose one of four blacks to Trump because his cocky rich-guy attitude sorta reminds them of some of their entertainment idols, then what's the purpose of the Democratic Party anymore? Sexual dysfunction issues?

Blogger Danby September 06, 2015 12:27 PM  

1) Trump is the only alpha in the room.
2) All the other candidates are telling the voters what a whore she is, and an ugly disease-raddled one at that. Negging's one thing, but it has to be done subtly.
3) Jeb is done. He's approaching Huntsman territory, below 5%. However much money he has, once he goes low enough, it will all go away.
5) In the previous 2 contests, Perry and Giuliani were flavor-of-the-week candidates, recent entrants to the contest where large numbers disliked what was on offer. Trump has kept it going long enough that he is no longer a fringe candidate.
5) The GOP votes are reconciling themselves to Trump. More and more are talking themselves into provisional support, "If he gets the nomination, I could vote for him." This is as opposed to Jeb! Bus, who has large numbers declaring openly that if he gets the nomination, they will never vote GOP again.

Blogger Student in Blue September 06, 2015 12:29 PM  

A Quinnipiac University poll last month found that 30% of GOP voters had an unfavorable view of Trump — worse than most other candidates but a big improvement from the 52% that Trump scored in May.

What I'm curious is... did Trump actually change his stance all that much, or did he achieve this number by solidifying his stance?

I haven't heard of him flip-flopping and pandering to the middle, so this seems like it's another example of how people in general genuinely appreciate someone who sticks to their guns, and by extension the strategy of pandering to the middle is doomed to fail.

Anonymous Gordian September 06, 2015 12:30 PM  

I think he sunk his chances when he signed that loyalty statement. He certainly killed my enthusiasm and cleared the way for Barbour Mississippi tactics in the primaries.

Anonymous Donn #0114 September 06, 2015 12:30 PM  

Who knows? Somebody here (I think) said he tank by October. If he makes it to November he still has months to lock up the nom then a year until the general election. I think he's a 'real' candidate who resonates with voters.

And I think he'll keep resonating. Until the Overton window shifts and some of the other candidates start talking about immigration, outsourcing and unemployment like he does he'll stay viable and strong.

Blogger Cail Corishev September 06, 2015 12:34 PM  

By the way, if anyone still thinks Trump is a shill to get ¡Jeb! elected, he sure has a strange way of going about it. Looks to me like he's been making ¡Jeb! his bitch, but I may not understand the subtleties of politics.

Blogger Patrick September 06, 2015 12:34 PM  

@7, I love hearing this "doing the homework" bit. You do understand that we elected someone in 2000 who in the 8 years he held office showed himself to be functionally retarded, right? But Trump fouled up some foreign names, so is unfit to be president. Never mind that he'll secure our own border. For some reason we need to focus more on foreign conflicts because we just have done that enough.

Anonymous REG September 06, 2015 12:36 PM  

You should correct that to- No party named Republican can call itself Conservative. Trump ain't the problem. Even if he won, he couldn't do any worst than the standard, go along to get along bunch in either party.

Blogger VD September 06, 2015 12:37 PM  

He did blow that question. If he'd answered: "Who gives a damn about who is killing who in foreign lands? I'm concerned about protecting our borders right here in America first!" he'd have been golden.

Anonymous JB September 06, 2015 12:39 PM  

Well, if the ultra-competent Republican campaign insiders say he's got a shot, expect him to be the proverbial Christmas turkey - done, cooked, stick a fork in him by Dec. 25th.

I don't think it's a serious campaign either - he seems no willingness to get serious, as in actually study the issues and have a command of detail required to inspire confidence.

"There aren't any other candidates."

That's simply not true. I think Cruz is pretty good, and is probably the only guy who is actually capable as well as willing - as in by IQ and training - of rebutting The Narrative and making the conservative case.

Blogger David-093 September 06, 2015 12:44 PM  

The loyalty pledge means nothing. It's not legally binding in any way and at most is basically a way for him to get unhindered access during the election cycle. If Jeb gets the nomination, I'll simply write Trump in, and I suspect many will do that as well, if they even bother to vote.

Anonymous JB September 06, 2015 12:49 PM  

"he seems to have no willingness"

Anonymous The other robot September 06, 2015 12:59 PM  

I don't think it's a serious campaign either - he seems no willingness to get serious, as in actually study the issues and have a command of detail required to inspire confidence.

When you have brand-name recognition and a lot of pissed off people in the electorate who really don't care about issues, who needs any fucking issues.

Are you crazy? The only issues that are allowed to come up are the issues the elites allow to come up. Before Trump when did the issue of unrestrained immigration get brought up as an issue the American people could vote on.

Blogger Chris Mallory September 06, 2015 1:03 PM  

@18 Except that Cruz is nothing but a NeoCon shill who mouths a few platitudes to fool his supporters. His attack on Middle Eastern Christians showed he is nothing but a garden variety Israel Firster.

Anonymous Gx September 06, 2015 1:03 PM  

Trump wouldn't be where he is if the GOP establishment had put Walker or Cruz (Cruz's wife works for, as GBFM would say, "rhymes-with-Tucker-Max", so he's as much of a sellout as the rest).

But they are so tone-deaf that they put fucking "I miss W" coffee mugs. They, like lefties, don't realize that their "intellectual and moral inferiors" don't have to play by their rules.

Anonymous JB September 06, 2015 1:04 PM  

"I love hearing this "doing the homework" bit. You do understand that we elected someone in 2000 who in the 8 years he held office showed himself to be functionally retarded, right?"

I don't understand these types of arguments. 2000 was the pre-crisis era. The campaign talk revolved around electing a guy you'd want to have a beer with. The complexity of the job of (Republican) president has gone up considerably since then. If a Republican manages to get elected, he's coming right into open war domestically. It's going to take someone of the intellect of a Lincoln to even approach competence, otherwise why bother at all?

Blogger Chris Mallory September 06, 2015 1:06 PM  

"Before Trump when did the issue of unrestrained immigration get brought up as an issue the American people could vote on."

Hey in 2008 you could have voted for unrestrained immigration enthusiast McCain or unrestrained immigration enthusiast Obama.

Anonymous Rolf September 06, 2015 1:07 PM  

At this point, I'd vote for him just to watch establishment heads explode. None of the other candidates are without major problems. Time may change my mind, but time changes all things.

Anonymous JB September 06, 2015 1:10 PM  

"The only issues that are allowed to come up are the issues the elites allow to come up. Before Trump when did the issue of unrestrained immigration get brought up as an issue the American people could vote on."

Yeah, so he's brought up the issue of illegal immigration. I give him credit for that. What is he actually going to do about illegal immigration if he gets elected? As far as I can tell (and here's where detail becomes important) he is somewhere to the left of Santorum on the issue. So he's going to whip up all his supporters...in the service of a substantively milquetoast immigration platform.

Blogger Chris Mallory September 06, 2015 1:12 PM  

@24
If the tyrant Lincoln is your model, why bother?

Here is an opinion of Lincoln written by an Illinois newspaper after his election:
"The illustrious Honest Old Abe has continued during the last week to make a fool of himself and to mortify and shame the intelligent people of this great nation. His speeches have demonstrated the fact that although originally a Herculean rail splitter and more lately a whimsical story teller and side splitter, he is no more capable of becoming a statesman, nay, even a moderate one, than the braying ass can become a noble lion. People now marvel how it came to pass that Mr. Lincoln should have been selected as the representative man of any party. His weak, wishy-washy, namby-pamby efforts, imbecile in matter, disgusting in manner, have made us the laughing stock of the whole world. The European powers will despise us because we have no better material out of which to make a President. The truth is, Lincoln is only a moderate lawyer and in the larger cities of the Union could pass for no more than a facetious pettifogger. Take him from his vocation and he loses even these small characteristics and indulges in simple twaddle which would disgrace a well bred school boy." http://www.civilwar.org/hallowed-ground-magazine/unpopular-mr-lincoln.html?referrer=https://www.google.com/

Blogger Cataline Sergius September 06, 2015 1:14 PM  

@9

Against Hillary, Trump's doing okayish at an RCP of 2.4 below Cranky Cankles.

Against other Republicans he's still sitting at 30%. It makes him credible but unless he can get past that baseline he can't take the nomination.

We'll have better numbers when the other Republicans start dropping out and we can see where there support heads.

I honestly never thought Bush was going to take it either. He was using his Dad and his brother's battle plan of suck up all the big donors at the outset and frighten everybody off.

This time the only guy that frightened off was Mitt Romney. And...hilariously...Romney isn't scared anymore.

Blogger IM2L844 September 06, 2015 1:22 PM  

@15 Patrick, you do understand that is completely beside the point don't you? The "doing the homework bit" goes directly to his motivations and intentions rather than his competency. As I said, I'm not convinced it is his intention to actually become president although I'm sure he would take it if he can more or less coast all the way there. After all, being president would be great for business in the long run, no?

Anonymous Anonymous September 06, 2015 1:23 PM  

"Republican wise men last week...."

ROFL.

- Francis

Blogger YIH September 06, 2015 1:25 PM  

I second the ''Hillary drops out due to illness'' idea. First, she's her own worst enemy. Every thing I've read (even from the left) makes it clear that Hillary is not very likeable. Nor does it appear Bill is making any effort to help her.
Can't blame Bernie Sanders, he's seeking to reproduce what Obama did eight years ago - come out of nowhere and leave her eating dust. I doubt he can be the nominee, getting the Planet of the Apes treatment in Seattle sure didn't help him.
The rest of the GOP? Carson's this year's ''magic negro'' Herman Cain, but I think he can make it through some of the primaries. As more people focus on Firorina's (lousy) track record in business, she'll fade.
¡Jeb! has the Bush crime family and his war chest, but he's not a strong campaigner, just like his father who was clueless of a bar code scanner in '92, Yeb doesn't realize people don't like to be reminded ''press 2 for English'' (I bet Fred Reed doesn't have to hear that).
The rest? Why? Especially Santorum (his name alone is a joke) and Guardisil, err, Perry - masochism perhaps?

Blogger Cail Corishev September 06, 2015 1:26 PM  

Many of the complaints from Republicans and other mainstream types about Trump boil down to, "He's not doing it right." He's not following the script every candidate has followed for as long as we can remember. He's not saying the right things, talking about the right issues, going to the right places, coddling the right local organizations, shaking hands with enough people, being nice enough, whatever. So he's not a "serious candidate."

Well, haven't we been saying for years that we want leaders who don't "play politics"? We were tired of slick politicians who always read from prepared talking points, who never strayed outside the party line, who were better at schmoozing than leading or administrating. So what did we think a guy who could win the vote without "playing politics" would look like?

Some of Trump's numbers against Hillary have to be due to her being a truly awful candidate. But if they dump her for Sanders to try to hang onto the minority vote (one thing the Democrats will never admit out loud is that blacks, and especially Hispanics, aren't all that feminist), how many women's votes do they lose by pushing her out?

At this point, the Democrats' best bet might be to go outside the box themselves and run their own celebrity against Trump. The obvious choice is Caitlyn Jenner, of course.

Anonymous Case September 06, 2015 1:29 PM  

Trump is America's Nationalist candidate. The globalists have doubled down on multiculturalism to such an extent that Nationalism is breaking out all over western societies. He's being forced to tip-toe around the typical faux issues that YKW throws out through their media propaganda machine, but his support is being generated by his "America first" narrative.

I doubt that his meme is driven by altruism, but he's a very competitive man and he likes success. I think he would view success as following through on those issues which have created his poll numbers.

Anonymous Rusty Fife September 06, 2015 1:30 PM  

I don't think Obama CAN protect her.

There are two groups in goverment: the political hacks and the pros. The pros at DDI and FBI counter intelligence are on the case. They are literally dying because of intelligence leaks. They need some skulls to keep other idiot political hacks from thinking they can get away with breaking the law and hanging the pros out to dry.

Snowden isn't kidding about getting droned either.

That new IT guy is going to sing like a bird. They already have his nuts in a vice over felony non-disclosure of pants from Hillary.

They are going to put Human under the prison and Hillary is going to need a Presidential pardon.

Anonymous fish September 06, 2015 1:31 PM  

19. David-093 September 06, 2015 12:44 PM

The loyalty pledge means nothing. It's not legally binding in any way and at most is basically a way for him to get unhindered access during the election cycle....


This was my thought as well...."You want me to sign a meaningless document that you think will restrain me but is a toothless as Bernie Sanders when a #BlackLivesMatter protester is around....sure where do I sign?"

I say this as an agnostic....I'm pulling for Biden for the LOLs and Clinton for the LULZ!

Either one works for me!

Blogger Mr. Bee September 06, 2015 1:31 PM  

Trump = Schwarzenegger. Huge ego, media savvy, lying about his politics.

Anonymous Rusty Fife September 06, 2015 1:38 PM  

Also, the pros have to get to the bottom of the emails to find out what has been compromised. Therefore, who is at risk.

Hense the importance of the IT server guy. He will know where the skeletons are buried. No one else in this whole CF is important other than for hanging on the gibbet.

Anonymous FP September 06, 2015 1:44 PM  

I don't see Trump burning out anytime soon. That all of the chattering class is clamoring about trying to sink him says it all. The latest whinge fest from Jonah Goldberg at NRO is hilarious:

"And if the conservative movement and the Republican party allow themselves to be corrupted by this flim-flammery, then so be it. My job will be harder, my career will suffer, and I’ll be ideologically homeless (though hardly alone). That’s not so scary. Conservatism began in the wilderness and maybe, like the Hebrews, it would return from it stronger and ready to rule. But I’m not leaving without a fight. If my side loses that fight, all I ask is you stop calling the Trumpian cargo cult “conservative” and maybe stop the movement long enough for me to get off."

OT but re gay marriage and politicians saying no.

Judge Vance Day says no marriage ceremonies for him:

http://www.kgw.com/story/news/2015/09/03/marion-county-judge-refuses-perform-same-sex-marriages/71665314/

Blogger njartist September 06, 2015 1:50 PM  

From the comments on this posting, I'd say none of you learned what Vox Day taught you about allies: all of you have immediately disqualified Trump from the get go: you cannot have Mr. Perfect; you cannot behave as if you're on a date and the other party has to meet your fifty point
of requirements even before he orders the appetizers.

In fact you're doing the same thing you were manipulated into doing when Sarah Palin was chosen for VP: immediate disqualification because some low-life comedienne misquoted her about being able to see Russia from the coast of Alaska. And it was so easy for you because you have been conditioned to think that only those part of the Eastern establishment are suitable for the Presidency. In fact, most of you are looking at Trump through the eyes of the controlled media.

You children have forgotten or never heard that Reagan was "disqualified" from the Presidency because he was only a Grade B actor.

Nixon was not part of the Eastern establishment so he became the enemy to be destroyed.

The real question is: where does Trump stand on the key issues facing this nation; and according to his character is he likely to do on the lesser issues.



Anonymous JB September 06, 2015 1:53 PM  

"If the tyrant Lincoln is your model, why bother?"

Hey, I hate to break this to you, but I wouldn't mind some of Lincoln's "tyranny" directed against sanctuary city mayors and recalcitrant federal judges.

But my point was that, like him or not, he had the brainpower to steer the country through a crisis. If you think a Rand Paul type can do, you know what to do.

Blogger David-093 September 06, 2015 1:53 PM  

@36 fish

Trump has to know that his supporters are dedicated and wouldn't back an establishment candidate even if he threw his weight behind him. There's no chance, none whatsoever, he can back Jeb! and expect the stormtrumpers to buy it. So I think he did it as a way to just avoid the retarded, treacherous GOP's illegal attempts to keep him out of the debates and off the voter roles.

The important thing to keep in mind is that Trump is not the perfect candidate. He's useful, he's attacking the right people, he's shifting the political discussion to the Right. This is all good, so when another candidate comes after him he can say the same or more extreme things and it'll be embraced. These things happen slowly; the West wasn't transformed overnight, it took generations. And it will take generations to change it back.

Anonymous Too-Soon-ami September 06, 2015 2:01 PM  

I wouldn't be surprised if Hillary suddenly develops health issues that force her to end her campaign.


What color ribbons will people wear for Cankle Cancer awareness?

Anonymous JB September 06, 2015 2:03 PM  

"In fact, most of you are looking at Trump through the eyes of the controlled media."

That's absolutely untrue. The "controlled" media has painted him as a racist. I absolutely reject that narrative and applaud his stance on illegal immigration.

What I'm actually doing is taking him at his own words.

On legal immigration, whatever substance you can suss out of his campaign, he is saying pretty much what Cruz is saying: we need to bring in talented immigrants. So all of you ok with that?

Then there's the whole "women in the armed forces is super-freaking-awesome" - in other words, he wants to advance the feminist narrative.

Then there's the whole bizarro juxtaposition of chumminess with the Clintons while attacking Hillary on the campaign trail. Something weird about that whole setup.

You may think I'm nitpicking, and this stage of the campaign I may be, but at some point if his campaign doesn't evolve, the nitpicking will turn into legitimate criticism.

Blogger Robert What? September 06, 2015 2:05 PM  

Obama cannot be seen to deliberately sink Hillary because then she might spill the beans on him. I don't think Hillary can drop out. I believe that she fears for her life if she doesn't become President. The Clinton's must owe some major favors to some really bad hombres. Her becoming President is the only chance she has of paying those debts. Otherwise, don't be surprised if she succumbs to some fatal "accident". Am I crazy? (I know, I know, two different subjects.)

Blogger David-093 September 06, 2015 2:07 PM  

When the economy shits the bed again, and soon, I expect Trump's rhetoric and what the nation will tolerate, will go even further to the Right.

Blogger Salt September 06, 2015 2:08 PM  

Trump signing the pledge? Who cares. If he cannot get the R nom, there is nothing stopping him from not endorsing any other candidate. Trump is shooting from the hip. Okay, so he has no track record in politics. But he has one in actually getting things done.

The way the country is going, the economy, who better than one whose run a casino? His only problem with that was, he did it in New Jersey.

Anonymous Dream Weaver September 06, 2015 2:09 PM  

Trump versus Sanders would be a more interesting ticket in 2016. Yet something tells me the mainstream voters will go for the more conventional candidates in the end and it'll be Hillary versus Jeb Bush in 2016... with Hillary most likely winning.

Anonymous Gordian September 06, 2015 2:15 PM  

@39 If Trump disqualifies himself, it will be by coming to an arrangement with the GOP elites. I don't care who is President, that person will inevitably be opposed to me and mine. Politics solves nothing, see Moldbug. I want Trump to de-legitimize the mainstream cucked Right in the eyes of more normal Fox-watching conservatives. Elections be damned.

Blogger collisioncat67 September 06, 2015 2:17 PM  

I would vote for the Grim Reaper before I'd vote for Jeb.

Jeb seems to be the leftist medias favorite Repub candidate...and Trump inspires pure loathing in that same media.
So what does that tell you?

It tells me that Jeb; the tepid, soulless establishment cuck can go fuck himself.

Anonymous old man in a villa September 06, 2015 2:17 PM  

I notice that early polls "mean nothing at this stage" unless it is to reinforce the notion that "Hillary is the presumptive candidate".

But we know how SJW's always lie.

The thing about Hillary that stands out to me is this- the current POTUS has not endorsed her. If it were important to the Democratic party to retain control of the WH, then it would be not only common sense to endorse her sooner rather than later, but would give them a decided advantage, yet the endorsement is not forthcoming. This speaks volumes.

Anonymous Gordian September 06, 2015 2:19 PM  

@46 The pledge implies a deal has been made. Trump does nothing for free. A deal between Trump and the GOP gives them cover to hide behind, and prevents more Republicans from seeing the knife about to be plunged in their backs.

Anonymous JB September 06, 2015 2:20 PM  

"The important thing to keep in mind is that Trump is not the perfect candidate. He's useful, he's attacking the right people, he's shifting the political discussion to the Right. This is all good, so when another candidate comes after him he can say the same or more extreme things and it'll be embraced. "

As long as people understand that that is his utility in this situation, I'm fine with whatever he's doing for now. Shift the Overton Window all you want - in fact, I wish he'd do it on more issues.

But giving him the nomination? Not such a hot idea.

Blogger Patrick September 06, 2015 2:27 PM  

I'd prefer to see Trump win, but alternatively if for some reason he becomes some kind of political leper I'd love to see "the pledge" be a reason for him to jump on stage at every opportunity to give the nominee a big bear hug.

Anonymous LES September 06, 2015 2:28 PM  

Trump is an Israel-Firster like all the others.

Blogger Student in Blue September 06, 2015 2:41 PM  

Who else would be nearly as tough on immigration as Trump has made himself out to be?

Blogger Lovekraft September 06, 2015 2:59 PM  

and replacing Hillary on the left would be who?

Sanders? My impression of him is a white-guilt gated-community academia-insulated liberal spending other people's money, hoping the mob forgets about him since he threw so many of his people under the bus.

Warren Fauxahontas? Rarely do you see such a blind socialist leeching of the benefits of western White male developments and using their achievements from which to launch attack. Sick lady.

No, I believe the Left has done what it wanted to do in Obama - set up dependent underclasses, flood white states with more third world cultures, expand an already-crippling national debt etc. They now get to sit back with their payolas while condemning any right-winger who comes in to fix their mess.

Blogger YIH September 06, 2015 3:02 PM  

@35 Rusty Fife:
That new IT guy is going to sing like a bird.
hahahaha. Oh, wait. You're serious. Let me laugh even harder!

Blogger Salt September 06, 2015 3:05 PM  

The pledge implies a deal has been made.

It also takes away a focus point they could go after.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents September 06, 2015 3:07 PM  

Many of the complaints from Republicans and other mainstream types about Trump boil down to, "He's not doing it right."

Kind of like the way Beta-boys always whine about Alpha badboys - "He's such a jerk, look at the way he treats her, why does she like him? I'd be nice to her…why doesn't she like me?"

Trump the arrogant no-fucks-given badboy vs. ¡Jeb! the beta orbiter cuckservative? This is a choice to even waste one neuron thinking about?

"I love hearing this "doing the homework" bit.

Exactly, like McCain or GW Bush or Obama or Gore or any others going back the last 30 years actually sat down and read original sources all by themselves? Really? Trump at least knows how delegate and how to hire and fire experts to get things done, which is more than ¡Jeb! seems to be able to do.

Of course, if Her Nibs somehow gets too sick - another stroke…FALL! I didn't mean to write "stroke", it was just a fall, really - or some other factor takes her out of the race, Boinie Sanders is not home free, not as long as the looming figure in the campaign mist of Joe "Brains" Biden exists.

Sanders Vs. Trump? Popcorn, please. Biden vs. Trump? Back up the popcorn truck! Let the games begin!

Blogger Floyd Looney September 06, 2015 3:19 PM  

I think the better question is do we really want someone as flaky, as flip-floppy, as ignorant of the Constitution (and as thin-skinned and petulant as Obama) to win??

Blogger CM September 06, 2015 3:32 PM  

Who else would be nearly as tough on immigration as Trump has made himself out to be?

He's flip-floppy like my shoes, but so is Cruz from what i've heard...

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/08/13/exclusive-scott-walker-lays-out-plan-to-secure-border-stop-immigration-insanity-in-new-interview/

Anonymous Rusty Fife September 06, 2015 3:33 PM  

@57 YIH

Touche, that's industrial grade funny right there.

Anonymous Rusty Fife September 06, 2015 3:39 PM  

@60 Floyd Looney

Just like Codes of Conduct, you are still holding onto the idea that the Constitution is still operative and means what it says.

The enemy has thrown the Constitution out, why should we abide by it?

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents September 06, 2015 3:39 PM  

I think the better question is do we really want someone as flaky, as flip-floppy, as ignorant of the Constitution (and as thin-skinned and petulant as Obama) to win??

Dunno. Show me a credible alternative, that means NOT CONNECTED to either of the major crime families (Bush / Clinton) we'll talk.

Blogger Danby September 06, 2015 3:42 PM  

Still maintaining that Trump is in to clear the field for Jeb!?

Jeb! is DONE. He's on ground intercept at mach 2 and 500 feet from the surface. He's the girl running away from the slumber party with no shirt on. He's the black jock who twisted his ankle running from the Zombies. He's the security officer on the away mission just after the monster arrives.
Jeb! will not be the nominee, no matter how much money he has accumulated. The GOP can force a 20% vote into a nomination. They can't force a 5% vote into a nomination.

Trump knows it, the GOP consultants know it, the GOP knows it, and is wondering when to tell the donors.

Chances are even Jeb! is getting the message, slow though he is.

At this point everything you see in the news about the nomination race is the various factions jockeying for position. They can't agree on a candidate, and because they can't they've left an opening for Trump. Whatever his initial purpose in the race, he's a good improviser. He saw his chance and took it. If the infighting goes on much longer, Trump's momentum will carry him through the first few primaries.

Blogger Danby September 06, 2015 3:44 PM  

Anyone else notice this gem in Goldberg's essay?
Conservatism began in the wilderness and maybe, like the Hebrews, it would return from it stronger and ready to rule.

Blogger Plump Pleasant Plumber September 06, 2015 3:50 PM  

I've voted repub reliably all my life. I'm 58 years old. I won't vote for another repub if it isn't Trump. It's a matter of self respect. He's the only one who speaks out of his own volition. The rest of the bootlickers have to see how things poll, don't they? Cowards will never fight. Yeah, I've heard all I want to. They're going the way of the Whigs. Spineless. Not a one willing to take a bullet for the Country.

So, Trump or nothing. I could give a flying fuck as to why he's not a conservative. The ONLY one who might be is Cruz. But, he's for sale just like the rest. If a man gives you money, he can call you to heel.

Blogger Plump Pleasant Plumber September 06, 2015 3:55 PM  

That's a plain fact. It's a matter of self respect. Don't really want anything to do with cowardly liars. Yeah, they have a lot to say about Hillary. They're actually worse, because folks expected more.

Blogger Plump Pleasant Plumber September 06, 2015 3:58 PM  

Yep, Jeb! ain't in the same league. He's effeminate.

Blogger James Dixon September 06, 2015 3:59 PM  

> If Jeb gets nominated, it will be a massacre with most conservatives staying home...

Of course. The leadership doesn't seem to care.

> No Movement That Embraces Trump Can Call Itself Conservative

Because Jeb (to use just one of about 10 examples) is oh so much more conservative than Trump, right?

> 2000 was the pre-crisis era. The campaign talk revolved around electing a guy you'd want to have a beer with. The complexity of the job of (Republican) president has gone up considerably since then.

Don't you love how people with no grasp of history always think that today is so much more complicated that yesterday?

No, it hasn't. It's essentially the same thing it was 20 years ago with a few federal agencies and rulings that need to be shut down or reversed.

Repeal Obamacare. Slash spending. Send back the illegals and slash future immigration. End our entanglements in foreign affairs.

The only new things are the things Shrub and Obama have done. The war on terror, the DHS, Obamacare, and gay marriage.

Blogger Plump Pleasant Plumber September 06, 2015 4:01 PM  

Cruz don't have a chance. I'm from Texas. He's not a natural leader. Too wonkish. He's not a bare knuckles fighter.

Blogger Plump Pleasant Plumber September 06, 2015 4:03 PM  

This election is crucial. We can't have a pussy in the ring. Plain fact. Cruz ain't viable. He can't fight the media.

Blogger Werekoala1066 September 06, 2015 4:03 PM  

Trump v. Sanders '16 - Burn It All Down

Blogger Plump Pleasant Plumber September 06, 2015 4:06 PM  

My white pimple butt! RINO leftist apologists, bootlickers all. Like Trump says....they have to sing for their supper, in a manner of speaking.

Blogger Plump Pleasant Plumber September 06, 2015 4:10 PM  

Don't think so. Leftist Marxists stick together for the cause. She'll never see a day in jail, much less be indicted. Ain't gonna happen. Pure politics.

Blogger Plump Pleasant Plumber September 06, 2015 4:14 PM  

Well, we have true radical Marxists running things now. Pendelum, Pendelum.

Blogger Plump Pleasant Plumber September 06, 2015 4:17 PM  

Folks that rat on the Clinton suffer from seriously bad luck. Google it.

Blogger Plump Pleasant Plumber September 06, 2015 4:24 PM  

This comment has been removed by the author.

Blogger Plump Pleasant Plumber September 06, 2015 4:44 PM  

On my note4, there's a reply button under every comment....sorry

Anonymous Too-Soon-ami September 06, 2015 4:53 PM  

Plumber: "They're going the way of the Whigs. Spineless. Not a one willing to take a bullet for the Country."


It's worse than that. They are even less-willing to fire a bullet.

Anonymous A Reader September 06, 2015 4:55 PM  

I absolutely agree with the analysis regarding Hilary Clinton.

If she has one fainting spell during the campaign, her Presidential ambitions are done.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents September 06, 2015 4:55 PM  

Danby
Anyone else notice this gem in Goldberg's essay?

Conservatism began in the wilderness and maybe, like the Hebrews, it would return from it stronger and ready to rule.

Didn't note it, thanks for pointing it out. Pretty strong language to see coming from a cuckservative...

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents September 06, 2015 4:56 PM  

I like the way Captcha keeps offering me different pictures of popcorn in this thread.

Blogger IM2L844 September 06, 2015 4:56 PM  

Whatever his initial purpose in the race, he's a good improviser. He saw his chance and took it. If the infighting goes on much longer, Trump's momentum will carry him through the first few primaries.

I agree with this, Danby. Hell, I might vote for Trump just as a cathartic exercise in poking a proverbial stick in the Republican establishment's eye.

I can't read the man's mind, but it doesn't appear that Trump has spent much time thinking about everything that actually being POTUS would entail. It's not that I believe he is incapable of being very good at putting together and managing an effective administration. I actually believe that aspect would come very natural to him. However, I don't think he has bothered, for whatever reason, to consider all the necessary particulars.

It could be that he knows better than most that the office of the POTUS is nothing more than a figurehead on display for public consumption. In any event, I believe the degree of his success thus far has taken even him a little by surprise. It's still too early to be jumping to any final conclusions. We'll see how it goes.

Anonymous rubberducky September 06, 2015 4:57 PM  

Saw Donald Trump both on the stump and doing freewheeling press conferences several times. He's got the It Factor. He's a natural at it. Relaxed, in command, affable. With no teleprompter, maybe a handful of notes that he forgets about.

After the Alabama stadium event, people did not come out saying, "I agree with him", they were saying, "I want to follow him".

In the most recent polls, he was pulling 30% with Democrats, and, critically, 25% with blacks. Nobody on the GOP side has seen those kinds of numbers since Reagan, who also handled the room and the press like Trump does. The Dems count on 90% black vote, if Trump pulls 25% blacks and also bring over significant Dems then landslide.

If Trump can keep this up and win the nomination, we may be looking at a Reagan size landslide. No kidding. He's got that kinda mojo, that kind of rapport going on with the common man.

Just like with Reagan, the establishment is striving to destroy Trump's campaign. It's incredible both sides are wetting their pants all over Washington because of either Trump or Bernie. Nobody can believe they actually have popular candidates, and what to do about it!

Its hilarious.

Trump way well implode, but I think the odds are long on that. Watch him on the stump, he's simply too good at connecting with people. And the main attack against him is that he isn't a true conservative. That isn't going to work, no matter how true it is. The Trump camp is overflowing with true conservative who just don't care anymore. They voted dutifully and towed the line for years and got nothing but contempt for it. They could care less about the National Review of the Weekly Standard has to say about it anymore.

Blogger napari September 06, 2015 5:04 PM  

Trump is vacuuming up the middle moderate vote and both the depublicans and remocrats are chafing.
I got a left winger I've argued with 7 years with zero agreement and for the first time we both agree were voting for Trump!

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents September 06, 2015 5:07 PM  

And the main attack against him is that he isn't a true conservative. That isn't going to work, no matter how true it is. The Trump camp is overflowing with true conservative who just don't care anymore. They voted dutifully and towed the line for years and got nothing but contempt for it. They could care less about the National Review of the Weekly Standard has to say about it anymore.

It's starting to get a vague sort of #GG feel - NRO / donors / Karl Rove / etc. to Trumpers, "He's Not A Real Conservative!!!" - Trumpers right back:

We Don't Care

I dunno if he can win. I dunno what he'd be like. But I do know that cuckservatives are crapping their pants over him, because his issues are not neatly sanitized & he's not playing the game they way they would.

That is A Good Thing right there, exposing cuckservatives for what they are.

Anonymous Satan's Hamster September 06, 2015 5:22 PM  

Trump may well be lying, and just telling the Republican base what they want to hear. Heck, he probably is.

But none of the other candidates are even willing to lie. The base are just there to elect them, not matter what. Because what else will they do? Vote for HIllary?

I am looking forward to the day President Trump demands a cuckservative Republican Congress provide the funds to build a wall, round up the illegals, and deport them. That'll be worth a few bags of popcorn, as the cucks struggle to decide whether to side with the SJWs or their own base.

Blogger Danby September 06, 2015 5:42 PM  

From my point of view, the only actual Conservative in the race is Santorum.And he's hovering around 2%, ulling in only the "people-like-Danby" vote.

Since we're not going to get a conservative, shy not at least nomonate a Republican that could actually win? Not by triangulating, and market differentiation and focus groupping and kowtowing to the money men, but win by connecting with working-class people, Black and White, and promising to make their lives better by running the illegals out on a rail.

Anonymous Trump 2016 September 06, 2015 5:46 PM  

If you are a Trump fan (or even if you just enjoy the spectacle), you need to check out this website:

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/

Anonymous Trump 2016 September 06, 2015 5:48 PM  

"If Jeb gets nominated, it will be a massacre with most conservatives staying home..."

If Yeb gets the nomination, I might even vote Dem.

Blogger Tiny Tim September 06, 2015 5:51 PM  

It will be Trump and he will pull minority democrats at a good clip.

Reagan redux...

Blogger Tiny Tim September 06, 2015 5:53 PM  

If Jeb gets nominated we can all thank Diebold. That is the only possible way.

There will be riots.

Blogger David-093 September 06, 2015 6:05 PM  

Trump may be a fake conservative, but Jabe! isn't a conservative. I'll risk Trump betraying the people over another corporate globalist hack like Bush or Clinton being jammed down our throats again who will simply ignore the people no matter what.

Blogger David-093 September 06, 2015 6:07 PM  

"From my point of view, the only actual Conservative in the race is Santorum.And he's hovering around 2%, ulling in only the "people-like-Danby" vote."

I'll give Jindal the benefit of the doubt too. He's been pretty solid on the conservative front. But neither has a chance in hell.

Anonymous Mike M. September 06, 2015 6:08 PM  

@35 Rusty Fife is dead on the money. The Clintons are DESPISED by the Federal national security groups..DOD, CIA, etc.

And they've finally got her. The only way she stays out of prison is a pardon from Obama. Which may not be forthcoming.

Having said that, I can see her turning Obama in for a reduced sentence.

Blogger VFM bot #188 September 06, 2015 6:21 PM  

I think he sunk his chances when he signed that loyalty statement. He certainly killed my enthusiasm and cleared the way for Barbour Mississippi tactics in the primaries.

Gordian, you totally miss it: This is a master tactician move by Trump. By signing the loyalty agreement he brings in the habitual reflexive GOP voters, and defangs carping by the establishment that "he's not a loyal Republican."

THEN, when the GOP smartboys running the party do to him what they did to Ron Paul in 2012 in Tampa---you're right that you expect it to happen---Trump will reluctantly but triumphantly proclaim that he's leaving the GOP to run 3rd party because the dirty trucks will be EXACTLY what he's been fighting against, and the fact that he's being cheated by the GOP operators has freed him from his pledge. He will not support an illegitimate "chosen by cheating" nominee. He then runs 3rd party and takes half or more of the GOP voters with him. Combined with the Dems, blacks, and hispanics who like him---20% to 30% of each, if not ore---he damned well could win it all.

If that happens, the permanent political class running the country from Washington, DC will nuke the country and shut it down. Societal collapse would ensue, resulting in civil chaos and the long-anticipated violent unraveling.

Anonymous Mike M. September 06, 2015 6:22 PM  

I'll add that whether or not he's the nominee, Trump has done America a favor...he's taken out Jeb Bush.

For the record, I'm still betting on Walker to be the eventual nominee. Trump's lack of experience in office will be his undoing. He's got a good shot at VP, though.

Blogger VFM bot #188 September 06, 2015 6:23 PM  

No Movement That Embraces Trump Can Call Itself Conservative natl.re/k1B7XN

No person who embraces and reads National Review can call himself a conservative.

Blogger Six September 06, 2015 6:33 PM  

I am no longer a Republican. I will never again support that party with time, effort or money. I might, however, consider a burn it all down candidate. One the elites hate. A vote for dissolution. The republican party as it exists today is the party of treason. It is filled with poisonous snakes and the vilest of liars. They are enablers of evil.

Not that I have strong opinions or anything.

Anonymous Gordian September 06, 2015 6:35 PM  

@97 Unless he allows himself to be Mississippi Primaried because he's cut a deal for something more lucrative than the President. That's what my gut is telling me. Then Trump is the one telling us to suck it up and vote for Jeb because he's a man of his word and some such crap, and the dissident Right goes home demoralized from another betrayal rather than energized.

Blogger napari September 06, 2015 6:36 PM  

Star quarterbackTom Brady-New England Patriots endorses Trump....have no fear Trumps going all the way ;)
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/09/06/a-total-winner-nfl-star-has-apparently-displayed-donald-trumps-hat-in-his-locker/

Blogger napari September 06, 2015 6:38 PM  

McConnell lost the opportunity to include a defund Planned Parenthood amendment on an emergency highway funding bill in July but he didn't forget his rich freaking bankster friends!
McConnell is POS establishment depublican.
"Make America Great Again" Donald Trump 2016

Blogger Cail Corishev September 06, 2015 6:55 PM  

I'll add that whether or not he's the nominee, Trump has done America a favor...he's taken out Jeb Bush.

That should be true, but I'm not gonna count on it until ¡Jeb! concedes. He still has the biggest pile of money by far, and he's always been the #1 choice of the party's donor class and organization. They've invested too much in him to give him up that easily, not that most of them probably understand the concept of a sunk cost. If they can get Trump out of the race, they'll bring ¡Jeb! back into the lead, even if it means they have to rehabilitate his image a bit since Trump slapped him around.

Blogger rycamor September 06, 2015 6:55 PM  

I really am convinced Jeb does not want to win this one. I halfway am convinced his brother didn't want to win in 2000. But Jeb... every single bit of footage you see, just try turning off the sound and watching his body language. He shakes his head at literally everything. He's running out of obligation to his family's political... entanglements.

And here, he flat out admits he's an introvert. I'm not saying that's a bad thing, but in this age no introvert is going to win a campaign for president. It's especially not the kind of admission you make in a campaign, the idea that you're not particularly suited for interacting with large numbers of people.

Blogger Cail Corishev September 06, 2015 7:07 PM  

Then Trump is the one telling us to suck it up and vote for Jeb because he's a man of his word and some such crap, and the dissident Right goes home demoralized from another betrayal rather than energized.

If so, better to be betrayed before the election than after it. That's the thing: worst case scenario, Trump is playing the voters for chumps and turns heel before or after the election and we end up with a do-nothing-on-abortion, amnesty-signing, Israel-boosting, cheap-labor-loving, globalist liberal in the White House -- and we're no worse off than we would have been anyway. So cheering for him is a no-lose proposition.

Blogger VFM bot #188 September 06, 2015 7:17 PM  

Trump's lack of experience in office will be his undoing.

Exactly wrong by 180 degrees. "Experience in office" as a fucking elected politician HURTS, not helps.

Besides, what kind of skill does it take to successfully run a multi-billion dollar business empire that spans the entire world? Hmmm?

Anonymous Satan's Hamster September 06, 2015 7:19 PM  

@98: "Trump's lack of experience in office will be his undoing."

I've never understood this 'experience in office' thing. Why would anyone want to elect a President who's just another member of the political class who've been raping the country for decades?

Blogger Lana J September 06, 2015 7:32 PM  

Seen on Twitter and I agree:

Jeff‏@EmpireOfJeff
Trump's not my candidate. He's my murder weapon. And the GOP is the victim. That's my goal for 2016.

Blogger Cail Corishev September 06, 2015 7:50 PM  

Rycamor, you could be right. Jeb wouldn't be the first guy to spend his life doing something he dislikes because of family expectations. Not that that would keep the party from nominating him.

If he could choose, he'd probably rather be president of Mexico. He clearly prefers Mexico to America, and it'd be a less stressful job, much more suited to his talents and personality.

Blogger Anthony September 06, 2015 8:23 PM  

Why did Trump sign the pledge? Assume he thinks he's actually going to get nominated - what does that pledge do for him? It prevents* Jeb or some other establishment candidate from trying to pull a John Anderson. Reagan won in '80 even with 7% going to Anderson, but it was a lot closer than it needed to be.

*Ok - it's not legally binding, but if Trump is nominated, he can make all the other candidates his bitch using that pledge - either they campaign for him (or at least shut up), or he runs against the "traitors" in the Republican Party. Imagine the ad: "George Bush betrayed the American working man. Now his brother wants to do the same, and he's already betrayed his party."

Blogger Harsh September 06, 2015 8:35 PM  

Way too early to make any sort of prediction in the primaries, much less the election, but if Jeb does get the nod, that pretty much puts the final nail in the GOP coffin. A nationalist/anti-immigration party seems most likely to succeed the failed Republicans.

Will Hillary find some graceful way to exit the race? I don't know. She does seem to have an ego and the tease of being "first female president" might be too much for her to resist. If she goes out, who gets the nod? As crazy as it sounds, I bet they push crazy Uncle Joe into the position. He's controllable (well, at least his actions if not always his words) and unlikely to stray from the basic Obama plan. Look for an image makeover trying to sell him as the elder statesman of the Democratic party.

Whatever happens, this is likely to be the most interesting election in the last 50 years. We may be on the cusp of big changes.

Anonymous rubberducky September 06, 2015 10:02 PM  

Growing up in Dallas under the Tom Landry regime, it was unthinkable to have a rookie quarterback. The Cowboys never had one until Troy Aikman, and that of course worked out. But the Aikman retired early and folly ensued with Quincy Carter and Chad Hutchinson.

Could be wrong, but it seemed like it was Landry's expectation, and one shared around the league, that you needed 2 or 3 years to develop a young quarterback. Putting a rookie out there was a gamble, and also an unfair expectation to throw at a young player. What happened to that mentality? The logic of it seems sound and true. Has every owner cast out the idea of building a winning organization over time, in preference for winning today?

I'm also deciding whether or not to cancel my ESPN cable package. What they did to Curt Shilling simply outraged me, having a "last straw" kind of effect. But heck I'm like a junky, is the fall without football something I can actually, you know, make it through? LOL

Anonymous rubberducky September 06, 2015 10:03 PM  

GAH wrong thread how the heck did that happen ..... APOLOGIES

Anonymous dudemanhey September 06, 2015 10:59 PM  

I expect a Christie/Cruz or Christie/Rubio ticket to eventually be the GOP nominees, but not because they will get the most votes in the primaries.

Why do y'all think there is anything remotely legitimate about US presidential elections at this point?

If neither Trump nor Sanders receive their parties' nomination then you all can be certain that the entire thing farce/theatre/rigged

Anonymous Wait, what? September 06, 2015 11:41 PM  

Will Hillary find some graceful way to exit the race? I don't know. She does seem to have an ego and the tease of being "first female president" might be too much for her to resist.

Wait, wait, if Billy Jeff was the first black President, shouldn't we be asking Reggie Love who the first female President is, er, was, er, uh…(not that there's anything WRONG with that).

Blogger Harsh September 06, 2015 11:57 PM  

@116

True. Jimmy Carter qualifies as our first female president according to the current standard.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents September 06, 2015 11:57 PM  

Gee, who could have seen this coming?

La Raza endorses ¡Jeb!

Blogger Harsh September 07, 2015 12:41 AM  

La Raza endorses ¡Jeb!

One more reason to end the Bush dynasty.

Anonymous Discard September 07, 2015 1:46 AM  

113. rubberducky: Cancel your ESPN. Go watch your local high school team instead.

Anonymous Whitey McWhite September 07, 2015 7:40 AM  

@120. Harsh: "One more reason to end the Bush dynasty."

Best case: Jeb loses, but first he wastes about a hundred million dollars of "donor class" money.

Blogger Were-Puppy September 07, 2015 11:32 AM  

@33 Cail Corishev

At this point, the Democrats' best bet might be to go outside the box themselves and run their own celebrity against Trump. The obvious choice is Caitlyn Jenner, of course.
----

This would be hilarious because it would further hamstring most of the repub candidates for fear of criticizing a trans something. But I doubt Trump would mind ripping into Caitlyn.

Blogger Were-Puppy September 07, 2015 11:53 AM  

@89 Satan's Hamster
I am looking forward to the day President Trump demands a cuckservative Republican Congress provide the funds to build a wall, round up the illegals, and deport them.
---

Wait, I thought he was gonna get Mexico to pay for it.

Blogger Were-Puppy September 07, 2015 11:55 AM  

@92 Trump 2016

If Yeb gets the nomination, I might even vote Dem
------

I'll write in Howard the Duck.

Blogger Were-Puppy September 07, 2015 12:05 PM  

@119 A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents
Gee, who could have seen this coming?

La Raza endorses ¡Jeb!
------------

So now we should pronounce his name Haib Booosh?

Anonymous ¡Heb Boosh por Presidente! September 07, 2015 3:01 PM  

So now we should pronounce his name Haib Booosh?

¡Claro que si!

Blogger Doc Rampage September 07, 2015 3:58 PM  

Trump has roughly the same stance on immigration as Ted Cruz. Meanwhile, Trump has been for gun control, for affirmative action, for abortion, and for left-wing Democrats. Cruz has not.

Trump is an attention whore, not an idealist. Those of you who support him because you think he supports your ideals have been suckered by a master showman.

And the media knows this, which is why they have NOT been trying to destroy him. To see how the media destroys someone, look at how they treated Palin or Santorum. You seriously think the national media couldn't convince black voters and Democrats that Trump is a dangerous Nazi racist if they really wanted to? The fact that so many blacks and Democrats favor him is a sign that the media is laying off. The media is criticizing him just enough to generate controversy and give him the bad boy image that he thrives on.

The question is, why are they doing that? The media is obviously in the tank for Hillary, and if they ever dump her, they are going all in for some other Democrat. Why would they be helping Trump?

When you can answer that question, you will be on your way to recovery from being a Trump chump.

Blogger Were-Puppy September 07, 2015 8:37 PM  

I think a large part of Trump doing so well is that he has already been in peoples living rooms for years. He's had his successful reality show, his feud with Rosie, his feud with Vince McMahon, etc.

If you put up a picture of all the candidates, most people can pick Trump out of the lineup as someone they've seen before.

Add to that people are sick of politicians, and he is an outsider.

But it's really no big thing to win the preseason superbowl. Once a bunch of these candidates start dropping out, we can see where the support goes.

Anonymous Jim Milo September 07, 2015 9:27 PM  

@32 You know, I'm starting to think the whole Ben Garrison 'edits' thing is remarkable marketing. Hell, I bought his book.

Anonymous Jim Milo September 07, 2015 9:40 PM  

@35 Why the hell wasn't an enlisted man doing his job? Oh right, Booz Allen can take care of that pesky OPSEC, someone thought.

He's going to be like Rudoph Hess, forced to live out his days in a dacha and hoping the Russians fon't chamge their mind.

He has epilepsy. Hm, a vet can't get a gun if he takes prozac, but heavy meds for SCI? A-OK! I like to remind Americans of that when they point to that guy in the stone frigate in Halifax leaking info to the Russians.


Anonymous Discard September 07, 2015 10:10 PM  

Trump is shifting the Overton Window. I don't want him for President, I want him to provoke outrage that the second Clinton administration will have to deal with.

Blogger VFM bot #188 September 08, 2015 2:53 AM  

@132 Discard: If Trump is shifting the Overton Window by what he's saying and doing in the GOP primaries...think what kind of shifting of that Window he could do if he were President. It would move Western Civilization in a beneficial direction, perhaps enough to show down or even reverse the present suicide trajectory.

Blogger VFM bot #188 September 08, 2015 3:01 AM  

@128 Doc Rampage: The mainstream media originally supported Trump because they thought he was going to be harmful to the GOP. Same kind of strategy the German's used when they shipped Lenin off to Russia at the dawn of the 20th century, or the Venezuelan elites used when they supported Chavez in the early days before he took over.

Now the MSM has belated realized they've got a problem, especially when repeated attacks and proclamations of "he's finished" have only further energized Trump's support. He could actually take the nomination and election. What he'd do then is anybody's guess, but it couldn't be any worse than what we've experienced in the past 15 years.

Anonymous Discard September 08, 2015 3:57 AM  

VFM: Trump is OK with affirmative action, homo marriage, etc. He's a one trick pony. His presidency might see a slight raise in taxes for banksters, but that's about it. He would not stop legal immigration. He would legitimize most of the evil doings of the last 50 years. He is One Step Back after the Red's twenty steps forward. He's moved the Overton Window, but it needs to move a lot further than he ever will. I want the pot to boil over, not simmer. Four years of Hilary's outrages, particularly four more years of immigration and the legalization of 20 million wetbacks, might do that. Trump won't. He will neuter most of the Right.

Blogger VFM bot #188 September 08, 2015 6:54 AM  

@135: I want the pot to boil over, not simmer. Four years of Hilary's outrages, particularly four more years of immigration and the legalization of 20 million wetbacks, might do that.

So you/re supporting Hillary Clinton for President?

Blogger justaguy September 08, 2015 10:22 AM  

Should we fear the rising populist movement? Will populist preserve individual liberty or do they even have the concept? I submit that the majority of the voting public doesn't understand that we are a democratic republic and why that form was chosen over the populist democracy we are becoming (have become?)

One might look to history to see what it takes to change a people's course once they embrace populism.

Anonymous Discard September 08, 2015 12:01 PM  

136. VFM: Yes. Hilary is the most hate-filled, divisive candidate. Trump would bring some minor reforms, and I don't want reform. I want reconstruction.

Anonymous Discard September 08, 2015 12:58 PM  

137. justaguy: We don't have a constitutional republic any more. ("Democratic republic" is what Soviet style states called themselves.) We have something else, and we're going to get something else again. The old order is broken, and the masses of imported pseudo-Americans have no interest in individual liberty except their own. Our differences are irreconcilable. As in Syria or Iraq, only a tyrant can keep order. Without tyranny, the different groups will each go their own way.

Blogger VFM bot #188 September 08, 2015 12:58 PM  

How would Hillay becoming President result in "reconstruction"? It would simply be another 4 or 8 years like the past 8.

Anonymous Discard September 08, 2015 1:03 PM  

Reconstruction follows destruction. She is the worst candidate with a chance of winning, and will drive the wedges deeper. The USA is not ordained by God, it will come apart. She will accelerate the destruction.

Blogger VFM bot #188 September 08, 2015 1:37 PM  

Be careful what you wish for, Discard. It's not going to work out the way you imagine or hope it will.

Anonymous Discard September 08, 2015 2:38 PM  

VFM: It will be terrible and I could very likely die, but my people will survive the death of the Washington Regime, American Empire, call it what you will. The alternative is that it will be terrible, but my people will not survive. In any case, it's not in my hands. A collapse will happen, and all I will be able to do is deflect some of the falling rubble, and help build again if I'm still alive.

Post a Comment

Rules of the blog
Please do not comment as "Anonymous". Comments by "Anonymous" will be spammed.

<< Home

Newer Posts Older Posts