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Saturday, September 19, 2015

Conversation with a cucky

Charles Martin leaps to the defense of David French. A moderate amount of amusement ensues:
Vox Day
.@JonahNRO @DavidAFrench The fact that you think you can defend a culture WITHOUT defending a race is what makes you #cuckservative.
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Charlie Martin
@voxday @JonahNRO @DavidAFrench the fact that you think that is what makes you an unlikable dolt.

Vox Day
So you say. And yet, I'm smarter and more popular than you are. And on this issue, I'm also correct.

Charlie Martin ‏@chasrmartin
I might buy more popular.

Vox Day
I have lived in Japan, the USA, and Italy. I have learned the languages. Culture is NOT geography.

Charlie Martin
What *is* American culture? "We hold these truths to be self-evident...." That's not a race.

Vox Day
It's English. The Rights of Englishmen. They believed it was universal. No one else did. Or does.

Vox Day
That's like observing bushido is not a race. That's true, it is the cultural belief of a race.

Charlie Martin
Which is why so many Americans then spoke German. And you wonder why I think you're a dolt.

Vox Day
You're historically illiterate. A smaller percentage spoke German then than speak Spanish now.

Charlie Martin
Now, if all Pekinese are dogs, are all dogs Pekinese?

Vox Day
No, but moving a Pekinese to Germany will not make it a German Shepherd. Or a good guard dog.

Charlie Martin
And, unlike you, I'm not overcompensating for my fears about my intellectual achievements.

Vox Day
No, clearly not. You are a modest man with much to be modest about. What causes your overeating?
It's always funny when the guy trying to strike the superior pose reveals that his level of historical knowledge doesn't rise to the level of Snopes. It's not hard to understand why they stick to rhetoric. Dialectic, even in 140-character chunks, is obviously beyond them.

It's also informative, because it demonstrates that one doesn't have to be an SJW to be prone to utilizing SJW-style tactics and rhetoric. The "conservative" version is observably more prone to using pseudo-dialectic, but it's rhetoric all the same.

And just to be clear, less than 10 percent of the U.S. population ever spoke German; one-third of Pennsylvanians did at its linguistic peak. Spanish speakers now make up about 16 percent of the U.S. population.

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146 Comments:

Anonymous Whitey McWhite September 19, 2015 5:36 PM  

Defending a culture without defending a race is like protecting a bas-relief while agreeing to the complete destruction of the wall in which it is carved.

How were such people ever allowed to pose as wise? Was it that they were given unearned respect, which let them cover their ignorance with bluffing sneers about how stupid anyone who disagreed with them was?

Blogger Cataline Sergius September 19, 2015 5:36 PM  

I'll grant this, he was more engaging than your usual opponents. Okay low hanging fruit I'll grant but still kind of amusing.

Question: Prior to our invasion from the south, what was the biggest wave of immigration America had?

I'm betting it was either Italian or Irish but I'm not sure which. Or am I completely wrong?

Blogger Tommy Hass September 19, 2015 5:39 PM  

Btw, how would you rebut someone saying that dirt doesn't have magical properties, but being surrounded by white people will make you more like them? Because that's what they mean when they assume that non-whites can be made more like whites by surrounding the former with the latter.

I mean, it's not effective, because blacks, for instance, are too different from whites to reach white levels of behavior. But I think that they believe what I just outlined, rather than believing in geography as the factor.

Anonymous Dave September 19, 2015 5:43 PM  

Eeeeew he called you an unlikable dolt. Why didn't you slink off with your tail between your legs (get it?) Wait, he hasn't read SJWAL, send him a copy stat.

Blogger S1AL September 19, 2015 5:46 PM  

Vox, what is the race of the United States? I'm asking because your other examples are Italy and Japan, which are ethnically homogenous in a way that the U.S. has never been.

Anonymous zen0 September 19, 2015 5:47 PM  

@2

> Question: Prior to our invasion from the south, what was the biggest wave of immigration America had?


Looks like 1900-1912, but it only shows legal.


http://www.migrationpolicy.org/programs/data-hub/charts/Annual-Number-of-US-Legal-Permanent-Residents

Blogger Groot September 19, 2015 5:54 PM  

I'll bring up Albion's Seed: Four British Folkways in America by David Hackett Fischer again for its pertinence. "Albion" refers to Britain, land of Stevil. It provides evidence in stunning detail of the persistence of culture (or "Folkways") over many generations. It provides no insight into any genetic component, and, honestly, this is early days for the science, so speculation is rampant, opinion heated, and facts sparse. But, anecdotally, one can be forgiven for lending credibility to the notion of an inborn inability to kowtow in the descendents of the Scottish, and hence to an ingrained love of liberty.

Anonymous kfg September 19, 2015 5:55 PM  

@Cataline Sergius:

The Germans edged out the Irish even during the potato famine diaspora. More if you include the Low Germans and Yiddishkeits.

Anonymous DavidKathome September 19, 2015 5:56 PM  

Having read Vox for years, the first thing I think when I see him say something that looks outrageously wrong to me is to think, "He probably know something I don't, I better read up on this and check basic premises before I say something and get my ass handed to me."

So it is easy to forget how the average person who isn't really aware of Vox would react...they assume only someone really stupid would say such a thing. And then they work forward from that baseline assumption...and get their ass handed to them.

Blogger VD September 19, 2015 6:08 PM  

Vox, what is the race of the United States?

It is a multi-racial, heterogeneous society, ergo it does not have just one. It used to be a predominantly English race.

That it why it will not survive and the European nations will. It is not a nation. It is merely an empire which exists due to force and to which people feel limited loyalty.

Anonymous kfg September 19, 2015 6:17 PM  

"It used to be a predominantly English race."

This is true if by English you mean British, but it also used to be comprised of 14 eastern states.

Not so much taking issue with you as I am supporting your closing point.

Blogger Johan September 19, 2015 6:17 PM  

So Vox, what should us Americans do? Should we gather together in a few Northern States and form a new nation of people?

Anonymous BGS September 19, 2015 6:19 PM  

examples are Italy and Japan, which are ethnically homogenous in a way that the U.S. has never been

Before 1970 the US was 90% Non-Hispanic white and 7% black, but the left passed a law in 1965 they said wouldn't change it. One of USA's advantages was having such a large group of whites that all spoke the same language. Germany is about the size of Montana but someone can travel the same distance from Bremen on the north sea to the isle of Capri/Italy and speak to a subject matter expert in the same native tongue.

less than 10 percent of the U.S. population ever spoke German; one-third of Pennsylvanians did at its linguistic peak

Are you counting PA Dutch and the Amish as speaking German?

being surrounded by white people will make you more like them?

Being around lots of whites will keep them from raping 6yo white girls when those whites are around, but someone else posted today of a German girl lured away from her mom in the park so quickly the mom didn't realize she was gone until the rape was over. But yea blacks use toilets in section 8 housing if that's what you mean.

Blogger VD September 19, 2015 6:26 PM  

So Vox, what should us Americans do? Should we gather together in a few Northern States and form a new nation of people?

That is what is likely to happen in the end. If I lived there, I would move somewhere like North Dakota and begin to prepare for 2033 with like-minded people. Nations are born from strife and conflict. When the current financial system fails, as it eventually must, things are going to get difficult around the world. Everywhere, not just Europe and Asia.

And that's when the underlying stresses burst forth. I'm under no illusions it will be easy here, but as I have said, I like my societies pre-collapsed. They can handle it better.

Anonymous kfg September 19, 2015 6:28 PM  

"Germany is about the size of Montana . . ."

At the times of substantial German immigration to the USA, there was no Germany, only German ethnicity.

Anonymous KLT September 19, 2015 6:36 PM  

Maybe this has been asked before. Sorry if so. But, Vox, whT do you care what happens here? You abandoned the place yeRs ago.

Anonymous kfg September 19, 2015 6:38 PM  

" . . . whT . . ."

What?

Blogger J.M. September 19, 2015 6:39 PM  

"It is a multi-racial, heterogeneous society, ergo it does not have just one. It used to be a predominantly English race"

Vox I don't like to sound like an asshole but Englishmen are not a race. They are an ethnicity at best (an ugly one at that, at least the women) . They are part of the European race, aka Whites.

Blogger Joseph Bloch September 19, 2015 6:41 PM  

Was that even an attempt to have a conversation on his part? It was... gibberish.

Blogger CM September 19, 2015 6:43 PM  

So Vox, what should us Americans do? Should we gather together in a few Northern States and form a new nation of people?

This is why the ultimate solution to the size of federal government gave so much freedom to states and made federal gov't small.

Anonymous Wyrd September 19, 2015 6:45 PM  

Who the hell is Charles Martin and why should I give a fudge what his opinion is beyond any other random bastard on the internet?

Blogger CM September 19, 2015 6:47 PM  

Vox I don't like to sound like an asshole but Englishmen are not a race. They are an ethnicity at best (an ugly one at that, at least the women) . They are part of the European race, aka Whites.

It is a culture that is unique to the people proposing it. If the term race encompasses culture and ethnicity (which would appear to explain why Hispanics flip flop on race identification), then ENGLISH could be a race.

Blogger SDH September 19, 2015 6:48 PM  

I would move somewhere like North Dakota

I wouldn't move anywhere there's not a Panamax port, Nova Scotia or somewhere on the Gulf of Mexico.

Blogger Cataline Sergius September 19, 2015 6:54 PM  

@7

Now that is an interesting question.

What attracted Americans to America? Was a there a shared genetic trait?

Interestingly, I think the answer is, yes. I think it's a gene's deep rejection of authority.

A bone deep drive for independence, that has created an as yet unidentified behavioral haplotype within about forty percent of the base population.

Everywhere else in the world that compulsion is present in only about (rough guesstimate here) three percent of any base population.

The selective pressure against it is obvious, the first nail that pops up, is the first to get nailed down. "Kill that asshole and all his children," says the guy who was getting rebelled against. "Know your place and stick to it," says the survivor to his children. But at three percent, you are not going to cull that trait out of any population. It can't be done.

We are the only place where the conservative movement is based on the idea of getting a smaller government...instead of getting a hold of it.

America is the only nation on Earth that has produced Barn Raisings and Block Parties. Those things only happened here. And only ever happened here.

Now the big filtering mechanism was the 19th century crossing. If you wanted to come here, you obviously wanted to get here badly enough to risk death and your only reward at the end of the trip was opportunity.

As in the "land of opportunity."

A phrase that is now prefaced by trigger warnings on American campuses, along with, "only the most qualified applicant should get the job." I wish I was kidding.

Certainly our new immigrants don't want a chance for opportunity, they just want on the tit, as fast as possible.

Take that away and our immigration problem will be ended overnight.

Anonymous kfg September 19, 2015 6:55 PM  

" . . rather than fail, I will retire with my hardy Green Mountain Boys into the caverns of the mountains and make war on all mankind." -Ethan Allen

Hoist the Pine Tree!

Anonymous The other robot September 19, 2015 6:56 PM  

This is true if by English you mean British, but it also used to be comprised of 14 eastern states.

14? I thought only Obama was prone to that sort of exaggeration.

Anonymous Keener September 19, 2015 6:58 PM  

Groot:

Albion's Seed. I loved that book. It was well-researched. Academia of course ignored it. the Scots-Irish were the largest immigration to the original colonies. there were about 250,000 of them. It was considered a massive immigration. They were dirt poor and hardened. they fought the Indian wars from Pennsylvania to Adobe Walls. Hard to say goodbye to a culture like that.

Anonymous Rick Johnsmeyer September 19, 2015 7:00 PM  

Martin is also wrong when he cites the preamble to the declaration as a "culture." It was produced BY a culture, but by itself it is merely an aspirational statement. But different cultures will implement such a thing in vastly different ways, provided that they attempt to do so at all.

To cite a pertinent example from recent times, the black people of Ferguson seemed to feel that the enforcement of laws such as jaywalking, noise regulations, and other "quality of life" measures was an act of oppression. European whites are much more likely to find the ABSENCE of such enforcement to be its own form of oppression.

Those kinds of preferences tend to persist regardless of one's fondness toward the notion that all men are created equal.

Conservative race-blindness/egalitarianism ends up becoming just another form of the white man's burden. Once you deny the premise that different groups have different inherent proclivities you must then attribute differential outcomes BETWEEN groups to some sort of external action.

Hence, Detroit is Detroit because it has been "ruled by Democrats." Mexicans vote 70-30 Democrat because they are "being manipulated." All social malignancies resolve back to some form of action by powerful whites. This is just the an old leftist narrative stood in front of a mirror. There is nothing in traditional (in this case, pre-1960's or so) conservatism to support it.

Anonymous kfg September 19, 2015 7:01 PM  

"Block Parties. Those . . . only happened here."

Because the Irish traditionally held them at a cross roads and the Italians in a piazza. When they got off Ellis Island, the block was the next closest thing.

The Scots to this day prefer to hold their parties on the green, and so NYC has Central Park.

Anonymous kfg September 19, 2015 7:03 PM  

@26. The other robot:

Vermont fought a war of independence against NY and NH. It is New England, but it is the 14th state.

Anonymous WillBest September 19, 2015 7:03 PM  

North Dakota? Its going to be a frozen tundra when the current warming spell comes to the end.

The only people that believe in assimilation don't have any exposure to immigrant populations. Sure the Mexicans where I used to live celebrated 4th of July and Thanksgiving but that is because they used any excuse to have parties not because it had any special meaning to them. I was at a Thanksgiving at an NE Asian friend's house and they had the Turkey, but everything else was Asian food. An Indian (dot) friend I had since I was 10 years old and seemingly Americanized, not only gave his own kids Indian names, they were of the variety that cause problems for Americans to pronounce. My high school which only offered Spanish and French now offers Mandarin presumably so that 10% of the school can get an easy A. The Africanization of Detroit, and on and on and on.

Anonymous Mike September 19, 2015 7:03 PM  

Vox wrote:

"It's English. The Rights of Englishmen."

Whoa. I may have to join this Vox club. That was just too good.

Blogger rumpole5 September 19, 2015 7:08 PM  

I am praying that the rising tide of tec abundance will subsume the impending economic chaos like a tsunami drenching a beach side wildfire. One can hope for deliverance from the impending idiocracy.
Query: If everything is produced by programed robots, delivered by pre-programed drones, unloaded, prepared by the house robot who will also clean up afterward, then can't things still function for the tatooed, pierced, stuble faced Eoli when he emerges from the basement after a game or sex bot session? That should take things beyond my lifespan anyway.

Blogger VD September 19, 2015 7:09 PM  

Vox, whT do you care what happens here? You abandoned the place yeRs ago.

For the same reason that all those "New Americans" care about the places they abandoned. The ties exist whether you want them to or not.

Blogger automatthew September 19, 2015 7:15 PM  

I'm smarter and more popular than you are

Should be in the subtitle of the blog.

Blogger Double E September 19, 2015 7:15 PM  

"You are a modest man with much to be modest about. What causes your overeating?"

Now that's just great.

Vox isn't always a cruelty artist, but when he is, he's award-winning.

The rabbits' projection with insults like "unlikeable dolt" is always so interesting. When you grasp how unthinkably horrible being 'unlikeable' is to them, most of what they do and say makes a lot more sense.

Blogger automatthew September 19, 2015 7:19 PM  

Texas will have the climate Europeans crave soon.

Blogger Chris Mallory September 19, 2015 7:32 PM  

"Should we gather together in a few Northern States and form a new nation of people?"

God no. Hordes of Yankee Puritan/Unitarian trash would be just as bad as hordes of papists or Musselmen. Greater Appalachia is the only place in the US to live out of the 14 American nations.

Anonymous Sheila September 19, 2015 7:35 PM  

@28 "To cite a pertinent example from recent times, the black people of Ferguson seemed to feel that the enforcement of laws such as jaywalking, noise regulations, and other "quality of life" measures was an act of oppression. European whites are much more likely to find the ABSENCE of such enforcement to be its own form of oppression."

Precisely. In the early years of my awakening from my liberal stupor, I noted in my grad school application that during my years overseas I had observed the combination of minutiae that make a culture (or words to that effect). Even when I had no inkling about HBD or the genetic basis of race, intelligence, and culture, I knew what I had seen. There's a new (and long and interesting) post about those minutiae - or those that define the "commonweal" - over at those who can see.

@36 "Vox isn't always a cruelty artist, but when he is, he's award-winning." Definitely. I'm working on my rhetoric and have come up with some tolerably good retorts to cucks at Breitbart and other sites, but I am absolutely talentless as a cruelty artist. I've learned so much about rhetoric here; how about lessons in clever/cruel comebacks, Vox and ilk?

Blogger rumpole5 September 19, 2015 7:44 PM  

Re: the Scots Irish: God Bless those cattle herding, gun loving, moonshine drinking, snake handling, hardy, hill-billy rednecks. They've fought and died in every war way beyond their numbers in our population and they never are properly honored for their contribution.

Blogger Cataline Sergius September 19, 2015 7:50 PM  

@29

You are completely wrong but that is understandable. Your filtering mechanism is flawed. You aren't looking at the matter in detail. Try harder and you will in fact get what I'm talking about.

Try it from this angle. Keywords: "american" "spontaneous" "associations" and for historical context "de tocqueville".

Anonymous Crude September 19, 2015 7:50 PM  

Vox - or anyone who's accepting this talk about white identity, etc.

What should the attitude be towards black conservatives, particularly black conservative Christians, in light of the demographic changes being discussed?

Blogger Jack Ward September 19, 2015 7:54 PM  

Yeah, Vox can do some cruelty; no doubts about that. I think it helps one to sleep better and digest the meal more readily.
And, its just so satisfying.

Anonymous Mr.A is Mr.A September 19, 2015 8:00 PM  

@31. WillBest
"North Dakota? Its going to be a frozen tundra when the current warming spell comes to the end."


As we NoDak-ers say: "That just keeps the riff-raff out."

Anonymous WinstonWebb September 19, 2015 8:02 PM  

What should the attitude be towards black conservatives, particularly black conservative Christians, in light of the demographic changes being discussed?

"That's nice. Now convince the other 93% of your race."

Anonymous The other robot September 19, 2015 8:04 PM  

35 Million illegals heading for Europe.

Blogger VD September 19, 2015 8:05 PM  

What should the attitude be towards black conservatives, particularly black conservative Christians, in light of the demographic changes being discussed?

Kindness, sympathy, and support. They are allies. But they need to be there for their people, not running to find refuge among another.

Anonymous adamalan September 19, 2015 8:05 PM  

And yet to this day, the decendents of those Pennsylvanian (the various Amish and old order Mennonite groups) still refuse to integrate.

Such an effective melting pot.

And we are supposed to believe the more numerous Mexicans, who unlike the Amish are racial supremacists, will integrate?

Blogger Feather Blade September 19, 2015 8:17 PM  

then ENGLISH could be a race.

That's how the term used to be used before "race" was associated (probably deliberately) exclusively with skin color.

If the books you read are old enough, you'll see references to "the German race" or "the Indian race" or "the Nubian race".

Anonymous Ben Cohen September 19, 2015 8:19 PM  

Vox, how did you calculate 2033?

Anonymous kfg September 19, 2015 8:20 PM  

"the Scots Irish: . . . they never are properly honored for their contribution."

Country, Gospel and - wait for it, wait for it . . . blues!* Even rap (talking blues) was originally formulated by a man of Scots descent. OK, so they can't all be winners. Blame the Jew who brought it to NYC.

*Their term for "blues" was "lament."

Anonymous Crude September 19, 2015 8:23 PM  

Kindness, sympathy, and support. They are allies. But they need to be there for their people, not running to find refuge among another.

Thanks.

That also leaves me wondering about biracial people. Do they just pick a side and stick with it? But I appreciate the answer.

Anonymous Sheila September 19, 2015 8:24 PM  

May I recommend a brilliant post in response to the French's "little Ethiopian" just posted by Jared Taylor over at Amren?

It ends thusly: " No, it’s “cuckservative” that’s got to go, and it’s easy to see why: It reminds him that culture is flesh and blood and centuries of struggle. It reminds him how bloodless and futile his own “conservatism” really is. He wants the word to go away so he can close his mind to biology, history, common sense, and even his own experience, and go on “defending” a culture while betraying the very people–the only people–who make it possible."

Blogger luagha September 19, 2015 8:26 PM  

@31 The top of the warming trend was 1998 to 2003 depending on how you choose to do the averaging, WillBest. We've been cooling since then. The only reason the 'global temperatures' seem stable is because they are cooking the numbers more and more as time goes on.

Blogger James Dixon September 19, 2015 8:37 PM  

> "He probably know something I don't, I better read up on this and check basic premises before I say something and get my ass handed to me."

I've never known Vox not to explain his position is asked politely, and that's usually quicker than doing my own research, especially since I often have no idea where to start.

> It is merely an empire which exists due to force and to which people feel limited loyalty.

At this point, I feel absolutely no loyalty to the government, merely to the land.

> 35 Million illegals heading for Europe.

Oh, good. Maybe now they'll have some idea what we're facing.

Blogger VD September 19, 2015 8:38 PM  

That also leaves me wondering about biracial people. Do they just pick a side and stick with it?

More or less. But they often never quite feel that they fit in.

Blogger Al Cibiades September 19, 2015 8:38 PM  

David is gamma from way back.

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Anonymous Sam the Man September 19, 2015 8:40 PM  

I would point out that Englishmen are a combinations of the Angles and Saxons, which are Germans, the Danes, which are Nordic stock and the Normans, which are Viking/Normandy-French stock.

The base these infusions were plopped onto of were Celtic and some pre-Celtic stock (related to Basques?)

So in many respects the English have a similar make up as the Swiss, which is Helvetica Celtic and German.

I would put forward that a careful reading of the history of England would show the Germanic peoples gave the UK much of its history of representative government.

In any case I would put forward that he Celtic tribes and Germanic tribes, when combined seem to do representative government quite well.

Anonymous Dr. J September 19, 2015 8:41 PM  

That exchange was educational. Your recent practice has honed your rhetorical katana, leaving it with a keen, disemboweling sharpness. A deadly and rapid-fire vivisection.

As for North Dakota, the argument is reasonable - close to fertile land in easily conquerable Minnesota, current vast oil supply with even greater frackable amounts in - you guessed it - Minnesota, and a hardy well-armed base populace. I for one welcome our future Dakotan overlords.

Blogger James Dixon September 19, 2015 8:41 PM  

> That also leaves me wondering about biracial people. Do they just pick a side and stick with it?

Others can correct me if they think I'm incorrect, but from what I've seen and read, historically they were at best tolerated by one side or the other. In many cases they weren't accepted by either.

> Vox, how did you calculate 2033?

It's come up before. From memory by calculating the average life span of a fiat currency and applying that to the US. Vox will correct me if I'm wrong.

Blogger rumpole5 September 19, 2015 8:41 PM  

Re: Amish-refuse to integrate. Yep, I love to go to my favorite restaurant in Middlebury, IN, waited on by ladies in long plain skirts, wearing little white caps, listening to the bearded suspendered farmers talking to each other in Low German while I finish the home cooked pie. It is music to my soul, and the shades of my long dead Anabaptist forebearers smile. However, those folks don't REFUSE to assimilate. They CAN'T assimilate. They live and think in an alternate (but completely harmless to you) universe. Moreover, they produce large numbers of ruddy children who DO assimilate to the "English" culture. I hope that the Hispanics will do likewise if we can just stop (and reverse) the fresh inflow.

Anonymous Wyrd September 19, 2015 8:45 PM  

But they need to be there for their people, not running to find refuge among another.

The most intense negro hatred I've ever witnessed comes from other blacks. It's uncanny but, given how New England whites hate Southern whites in the US, comprehensible. Familiarity breeds contempt and all that.

Anonymous Keener September 19, 2015 8:45 PM  

Rumpole, kfg

Thanks for the kudos. I am 97% Scots Irish, via colonial North Carolina. We may be needed again sometime in the near future. I suspect most of us in this culture stand ready in the night. If we are not inebriated when the call comes or perhaps recovering from alligator wounds/barebecue poisoning.

I am learning a great deal here. Vox' statement that the concept of "the rights of Englishmen" were considered universal is a new and very great realization to me. Is that generous or what? I mean other than sharing your last jug of Blue Ruin.

Anonymous kfg September 19, 2015 8:50 PM  

@40. Cataline Sergius: "You aren't looking at the matter in detail."

With deliberation. My filtering mechanism is not flawed, it has a different mesh.

Anonymous Earl September 19, 2015 8:56 PM  

"More or less. But they often never quite feel that they fit in."

And others are not quite sure if they fit in either.

Anonymous David Of One September 19, 2015 9:00 PM  

All this cucking and black knighting has caused me to reminisce ... especially as the day of sadness approaches on the 23rd ...

In any case this cucking stuff has inspired me ...

Libercluckingcuckers
Libercucingcluckers
Cuckingclukinglibertards
Libertardcluckingcuckers
Cuckerlibertardingcluckers
Libertardus Cuckus Cluckeroidus

Ah hell, can't improve on the genius of simplicity! Libertards!

In honor of our fallen whom we'll see for the first time soon enough ...

(It would seem appropriate to cut and paste this to a better venue. Thanks for leaving the comments on in that area. If you would, please delete the Anonymous as Chrome wasn't showing me any posts.)

Anonymous A-non-emus September 19, 2015 9:15 PM  

"Spanish speakers now make up about 16 percent of the U.S. population."

Are they as proficient in Spanish as those German speakers were in German? My wife, who I imported from Mexico often complains of other Mexican immigrants. Her complaint? "They don't know how to speak Spanish."

She's not overly-educated herself; she has a prestigious BSN from The University Of Mexico. The thing that really sucks about being an American isn't just that we're being over-under with invaders, it's that we're getting the refuse from everywhere else in the world.

Anonymous Crude September 19, 2015 9:20 PM  

The most intense negro hatred I've ever witnessed comes from other blacks.

"One of the reasons white, middle-class liberals are so out of touch when it comes to their favorite race is they don’t go near them. They don’t send their kids to poor schools and they make sure their homes are as far away from the lovable Negro as possible. Sure, they have a black friend, but it’s a mulatto girl who grew up white and champions her black power beliefs because her white friends enjoy it. Liberals’ black friends don’t really have black friends themselves because they’re freaks. In black America, watching Doctor Who is like being Doctor Who."

From here.

Blogger Student in Blue September 19, 2015 9:29 PM  

I was just struck by how simple race-blindedness is.

While not born out by evidence, it's a tempting theory because it's an easy explanation and assuming people think like you is a practically the default position when it's a type of person you don't know. I.e., people with no practical experience in the matter seem to default to that position.

And it's simple, because trying to accurately figure out the entirety of differences between all races is far far more complex.

(But no, they're the smart ones.)

Blogger chuck September 19, 2015 9:41 PM  

The chances of VD being smarter than Charlie Martin are pretty slight. Still, gotta love two indians in a fight.

Anonymous Whitey McWhite September 19, 2015 9:43 PM  

41. Crude: "Vox - or anyone who's accepting this talk about white identity, etc."

OK, that includes me.

41. Crude: "What should the attitude be towards black conservatives, particularly black conservative Christians, in light of the demographic changes being discussed?"

Goodwill, but also a realistic understanding. Blacks have different interests to whites, and they are likely to be unsympathetic to white interests.

Give kindness, sympathy, and support, surely -- but know that when your future and the future on your children is on the line, you are likely to receive none of those things in return.

Whites have been promised many times that when we lost power and blacks gained it, there would be no cause for us to fear and everything would turn out wonderful. How does that game usually end?

Blogger SciVo September 19, 2015 9:45 PM  

@ VD: But they often never quite feel that they fit in.

I find it amusing that "biracial" (formerly "half-breed") is becoming a distinct identity again, but more self-embraced, closer to the half-elf in D&D -- and with the same mixed feelings.

Blogger James Dixon September 19, 2015 9:47 PM  

> The chances of VD being smarter than Charlie Martin are pretty slight.

What do you estimate Charlie Martin's IQ is?

Blogger Sjonnar September 19, 2015 9:56 PM  

Wait a minute... Charlie thinks you're an unlikeable dolt but is willing to believe you're more popular than him? So... he thinks he's even more doltish and unlikeable?

Blogger JaimeInTexas September 19, 2015 9:58 PM  

Sam the man, you beat me to the punch and probably stated beyter than I would have. After Alfred Great, circa 900AD is when the people began to think of themselves as Englishmen. Definitely a culture but also an ethnicity.

Blogger Cail Corishev September 19, 2015 9:58 PM  

I hope that the Hispanics will do likewise if we can just stop (and reverse) the fresh inflow.

Stopping the inflow is critical, but there are other reasons why assimilation is less likely now. One big one is communications: instead of being cut off from their native family, language, and culture, they can now stay in contact with those daily, even hourly via phone, text, net, TV, etc. They don't even need a ghetto to maintain their own culture as immigrants a century ago did. They can pipe it right into their homes anywhere. Even locking down the border and stopping the flow entirely wouldn't change that, so we couldn't expect them to assimilate as fast as previous groups did, if ever at all.

Blogger chuck September 19, 2015 10:00 PM  

@72 I'd guess 180+. He was a child prodigy, studied philosophy -- a field that generally ranks high for IQ -- and has amassed an impressive CV in software development. I don't know where his talents lie, music and math are somewhat disconnected from IQ, but if you read his writings there is no doubt that he is a smart dude.

Anonymous Dave September 19, 2015 10:00 PM  

We don't need them IQ numbers; Chuck will tell us who's smarter

Anonymous kfg September 19, 2015 10:00 PM  

@66. A-non-emus: "They don't know how to speak Spanish."

Does she know how to speak Didxsaj?

Blogger JaimeInTexas September 19, 2015 10:02 PM  

My Dad's lament toot. Newyoricans do not speak English nor Spanish.

Anonymous zen0 September 19, 2015 10:11 PM  

@76 chuck

I don't know where his talents lie, music and math are somewhat disconnected from IQ, but if you read his writings there is no doubt that he is a smart dude.

No combat experience, apparently........ Boy, he was really smart!
Now he is dead!

Blogger Cail Corishev September 19, 2015 10:17 PM  

The chances of VD being smarter than Charlie Martin are pretty slight.

If you're of average height (like me), really tall people just seem really tall. I don't know if I could distinguish between a 6'8" guy and a 7' guy unless I met them the same day or they were standing together. But I'd bet that a 7' guy could, because he's used to gauging people on that level from the right perspective.

I think it works much the same way with intelligence. The main difference is that smart people aren't supposed to admit it.

Blogger James Dixon September 19, 2015 10:21 PM  

> I'd guess 180+

Very few people can even come close on an estimate for an IQ that high. Someone who is 150 can tell when they're dealing with a 180, but someone who's 120 normally can't. Unless your IQ is 140+ or you have outside confirmation, that guess is worth exactly what we paid for it.

Blogger SciVo September 19, 2015 10:25 PM  

@ Keener: Vox' statement that the concept of "the rights of Englishmen" were considered universal is a new and very great realization to me.

That was rhetoric. The rights in the Magna Carta were universal to Englishmen, then white men, then whites, then everyone. The language of the derivative U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights was inclusive, and would eventually be interpreted as written. But even that's glossing over a lot of details and is still too long for good rhetoric.

Anonymous Poli_Mis September 19, 2015 10:28 PM  

Credentialism is one way.

Blogger chuck September 19, 2015 10:29 PM  

@JD kind of dumb of you to ask then, eh?

I've known several people with measured IQ's in excess of 170, so its not like I've never known any high IQ folks. But as you say, it is hard to judge, not everyone with an high IQ is blessed with high achievement and vice versa.

Anonymous Orville September 19, 2015 10:31 PM  

I remembered this article from a while back http://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/mar/18/genetic-study-30-percent-white-british-dna-german-ancestry. I found that interesting since my family emigrated from Nottinghamshire just before the Civil War.

Blogger Student in Blue September 19, 2015 10:33 PM  

@chuck
@JD kind of dumb of you to ask then, eh?

What your answer was is not what was particularly of interest, but *how* you answered it.

Put it in another way, what JD asked was a gauging question to determine what kind of person you were.

Blogger J.M. September 19, 2015 10:34 PM  

@CM

It is a culture that is unique to the people proposing it. If the term race encompasses culture and ethnicity (which would appear to explain why Hispanics flip flop on race identification), then ENGLISH could be a race.

When a forensic doctor can identify an Englishman skull and a set of differences can be established, to differentiate between let´s say English, Scots and Germans and Norwegians, as we do when it comes to identify who is white, who is black, who is mixed et al, I will believe they are a different race.

Look I know the term is in dispute (like species) and that old books used to use races instead of Nationality (French race, English race, German race). However I find the term ethnicity a lot more appropriate than race. I may be wrong and I stand corrected if that's the case, but imho, a race comprises a set of phenotypical and genotypical characteristics, from which culture is just an outgrowth, an expression of our biology (affected by internal and external ie. epigenetic factors) and environment (resources, geography, weather, competition, etc.)

Don´t take me wrong, The English are a particular people, but imho not a race.

Anonymous Strange Aeons September 19, 2015 10:35 PM  

Charlie Martin: "And, unlike you, I'm not overcompensating for my fears about my intellectual achievements."

Bill Lumbergh: "Mm...yeah. If you Lefties could stop psychologically projecting your own emotional insecurities upon your ideological betters, that would be grrrreat."

Blogger SciVo September 19, 2015 10:37 PM  

@ James Dixon: Unless your IQ is 140+ or you have outside confirmation, that guess is worth exactly what we paid for it.

He would have to be at least 150 (or better yet 160) to make that guess. And if he were that smart, then he would've either specified the scale or used an SD or percentile. He did not, therefore third-party confirmation is the only way to save it from being illegitimate nonsense.

Blogger chuck September 19, 2015 10:41 PM  

@87 what JD asked was a gauging question

That only works if he knows the answer. My guess could be correct, after all.

My step mother did deal with a child with a measured IQ of 230, and I doubt I would have had any idea of that number except that the kid was very smart. !70 isn't that far from my experience, however.

Blogger Student in Blue September 19, 2015 10:50 PM  

@chuck
That only works if he knows the answer.

Uh... no. Absolutely incorrect.
It's not required at all to know the answer to ask a gauging question.

You can instead simply look at how the answer is formulated to get a good idea of the person and how intellectually honest they are (i.e., if they strike a pose vs try to deal with facts). It's not a 100% accurate read but it's still useful for a general "read".

Blogger Were-Puppy September 19, 2015 10:51 PM  

@3. automatthew
I'm smarter and more popular than you are

Should be in the subtitle of the blog.
----

Hold on there one minute. Wasn't that part of the title of the Theophilous Pratt parody?

Anonymous Naco September 19, 2015 10:53 PM  

And yet, he says so much that's true here. You beclown yourself, fool.

Charlie Martin ‏@chasrmartin 55m55 minutes ago
@voxday @JonahNRO @DavidAFrench Vox, you're making another mistake. You think you can insult me instead of making a fool of yourself trying.

Blogger chuck September 19, 2015 10:55 PM  

@92

But he has no idea how I arrived at the estimate, nor did he ask. However, I like your "absolutely incorrect" reply. That is useful input for my own gauging algorithm.

Anonymous kfg September 19, 2015 11:03 PM  

"My step mother did deal with a child with a measured IQ of 230 . . ."

Once we are talking about that range, I believe the precision has become low enough that it's more accurate to refer to SDs.

Blogger Student in Blue September 19, 2015 11:04 PM  

@chuck
But he has no idea how I arrived at the estimate, nor did he ask.
ಠ_ಠ
You're still focusing on the content of the answer, rather than how the answer was formatted.

Anonymous zen0 September 19, 2015 11:09 PM  

@ 95 Nico

You think you can insult me instead of making a fool of yourself trying.

Devasting. Worthy of Pee Wee Herman. Only without the flair.

Blogger chuck September 19, 2015 11:15 PM  

@97

Yes indeed, I am. I'm quite shameless about that. Your emphasis on "gauging" is sorta clever rhetoric, but it won't buy you any bacon.

Blogger chuck September 19, 2015 11:23 PM  

"I believe the precision has become low enough.."

I'm not sure precision is the correct word, it was a repeated measurement by two different people, so probably fairly precise. However, one might wonder about accuracy, or even what such a high number might mean apart from the test score.

Anonymous zen0 September 19, 2015 11:29 PM  

Spooner Jr. is loose and he is terrorizing the village. I suggest he might be headed for the ball pit at McDonald's.

Blogger Cail Corishev September 19, 2015 11:31 PM  

Then there are those times when one's estimate of another's IQ changes every time he opens his mouth.

The adjustment is not usually upwards.

Anonymous zen0 September 19, 2015 11:32 PM  

You aren't one of us.

One of us
One of us
One of us
One of us.......

Blogger Student in Blue September 19, 2015 11:33 PM  

Ah. Rhetoric posing as dialectic. Shame on me for not catching that.

What's more of a shame, however, is you thinking I'm only trying to "score points" on you.

Blogger BunE22 September 19, 2015 11:37 PM  

I don't think Charlie Martin was as funny as Big Danny Diamond. I don't understand how anyone thinks cuckold is racist. Since it isn't, neither is cuckservative.

Speaking of the Magna Carta, I had donated money to a Kickstarter documentary about it. I haven't seen it yet, but here's the link if anyone is interested. http://youtu.be/8Sejdcmmh3A

Anonymous zen0 September 19, 2015 11:39 PM  

One of my relatives in-law qualified as Mayflower descendant and DAR member. She was cremated by Hindus in ceremony outside the US of A.

Ain't no thang.....

Anonymous zen0 September 19, 2015 11:41 PM  

Gonna start a race war, Spooner J?

Blogger John Rampton September 19, 2015 11:42 PM  

Never ever trust someone whose tendency is to trust perfect strangers over close acquaintances.

Anonymous JRL September 19, 2015 11:44 PM  

Should we gather together in a few Northern States and form a new nation of people?

Pacific Northwest (WA, OR) and east through Montana and Wyoming. Oh alright, throw in the Dakotas. This gives sea ports, a major navigable river, including inland ports, and an abundance of domestically sourced food, not to mention considerable existing hydroelectric output. Climate and geography is quite varied, so plenty of agricultural and tourist niches.

Anonymous zen0 September 19, 2015 11:46 PM  

Unrequited love is a bitch.

Blogger chuck September 19, 2015 11:53 PM  

@108

? And here I was eating a sandwich and feeling relaxed before heading off to bed. What is this point scoring thing you speak of? Should I be worried?

Blogger automatthew September 20, 2015 12:46 AM  

Andrew,

I understand now that you are a willing participant.

It's still not too late.

Blogger Were-Puppy September 20, 2015 12:54 AM  

OT: remembering a time when white people had afros

Blogger Desiderius September 20, 2015 1:06 AM  

"Hence, Detroit is Detroit because it has been 'ruled by Democrats.' Mexicans vote 70-30 Democrat because they are "being manipulated." All social malignancies resolve back to some form of action by powerful whites.'

It's the last respectable white supremacism.

Its most fervent advocates are on a nostalgia trip, both left (sic) and right.

There have been periods in history where the superior culture was practiced and advanced principally (in fact, nearly exclusively in its latest incarnation) by whites, and more specifically British whites ca. 1688-1969. Present whites may half-heartedly practice it, but they no longer preach it nor advance it.

When that culture reemerges, it is unlikely to be exclusively white, so white supremacism is rapidly becoming obsolete. Luckily, Vox is neither describing nor advocating it.

Anonymous kfg September 20, 2015 1:10 AM  

"it was a repeated measurement by two different people, so probably fairly precise."

Irrelevant if the margin of error is 20 points and suggestive that you do not understand IQ beyond small number/big number. It is a statistical measure, not an absolute measure. Precision is determined by statistical methods on the population.

Scoring the same on a repeated test is, itself, an unexpected result, as repeated testing affects the accuracy.

Anonymous Sarcophilous September 20, 2015 1:20 AM  

If whomever Jenner can miss identify gender, I can Identify as English nonconformist as in 1776 and adopt the genius of the constitution and biblical liberty.

Blogger automatthew September 20, 2015 1:24 AM  

Comment moderation is on now.

Blogger SciVo September 20, 2015 1:46 AM  

@ automatthew: Comment moderation is on now.

I guessed, but I appreciate the notice, as I sometimes push the bounds of good taste.

Blogger Groot September 20, 2015 2:10 AM  

@117. kfg:
You're completely correct. There is a statistical confidence interval associated with any test. In modern IQ tests, one standard deviation is 15 points. In a standard normal (bell-shaped) curve, 2.3 standard deviations puts you in the top 1 percent, so anyone scoring 135 on an IQ test is in the top 1 percent. No test has a confidence tighter than 1 percent.

An IQ of 230 would be almost 9 standard deviations, or less than 1 in a trillion. I'm doubting this.

Anonymous GreyS September 20, 2015 2:11 AM  

It's always funny when the guy trying to strike the superior pose reveals that his level of historical knowledge doesn't rise to the level of Snopes. It's not hard to understand why they stick to rhetoric. Dialectic, even in 140-character chunks, is obviously beyond them..


It's all about what the base starting point is for each individual. If the base for one person is, say, informed historical analysis then that person will likely go dialectic. If his opponent's starting point is based on acceptance of current public opinion without much real thought then the shock of a strong contrary opinion will likely drive that person straight to rhetoric as a defense mechanism. Then it's off to the races as they can't NOT keep going down that road. Why? Pride. Pride gets in the way of admitting not only that you are wrong but admitting you never really gave the issue much thought in the first place. Pretty obvious that the bitchier the response the more prideful the individual is. Bitchy rhetoric is essentially continuous "doubling down" by a prideful ignorant opponent.

VD is fun to watch on this stuff because his base starting point is informed opinion but he purposely draws opponents in with rhetorical traps.The opponent thinks "No problem- I do this stuff all the time." but then are shocked because he is 1) better at rhetoric than they are and 2) doesn't get his feelings hurt like they do. (Hurt feelings lead to anger which leads to missteps)

So in defense they try to move to dialectic, which is what VD wanted them to do in the first place. But of course they are not prepared-- and thats when we see the inevitable snark-laced factoid which they think helps them more than it does, so they burn themselves and head back into rhetoric and when backed into another corner they pull the plug.

SJWs and NR Repub types-- You won't listen so I don't mind giving you the secret. Want to know how to "beat" Vox? ----> More knowledge, less pride.

Blogger Desiderius September 20, 2015 2:20 AM  

"Wait a minute... Charlie thinks you're an unlikeable dolt but is willing to believe you're more popular than him? So... he thinks he's even more doltish and unlikeable?"

Well, at least more popular. Weight control problems are common among those who struggle with likability, especially those with the intelligence to be aware of it without the social savvy to either accept it or remedy it (the former often taking care of the latter, as it happens), so yeah, that could be the case.

I'd say if you show Charlie some mercy and offer him a reasonably face-saving way to come over to your way of seeing things, you may have yourself an ally.

Blogger SciVo September 20, 2015 3:51 AM  

chuck @102: "I'm not sure precision is the correct word, it was a repeated measurement by two different people, so probably fairly precise. However, one might wonder about accuracy, or even what such a high number might mean apart from the test score."

This, ladies and gentlemen, is what pseudo-dialectic looks like. On the one hand, it is true that precision is significant figures, and as such (to some extent) repetition, whereas accuracy is truth. On the other hand, at a deeper philosophical level, precision is also significance of meaning, so he actually contradicted himself within two sentences.

Blogger Student in Blue September 20, 2015 7:43 AM  

@SciVo
Remembering the last thread we had re: rhetoric vs dialectic, I'm now wondering how many of those who claimed to only understand dialectic were instead under the influence of, and relying heavily on, pseudo-dialectic.

Blogger James Dixon September 20, 2015 8:12 AM  

> @JD kind of dumb of you to ask then, eh?

Why? You might have had some valid basis for knowing, and not just been making a guess. My response was more disappointment then anything else.

> Put it in another way, what JD asked was a gauging question to determine what kind of person you were.

It could be used that way, but that wasn't my intent. Whether I might have subconsciously asked it that way for the benefit of others I honestly can't answer.

> That only works if he knows the answer. My guess could be correct, after all.

I know enough about Vox to make some reasonable estimates for him. I wondered how they compared.

> !70 isn't that far from my experience, however.

Immaterial. Beyond around two or three SD's above you, you can't tell the difference.

> But he has no idea how I arrived at the estimate, nor did he ask.

You said it was a guess. That's not the same thing as an estimate. If you had said estimate, I would have assumed you had some concrete basis for it. I even allowed for the possibility that your guess might have some validity in my answer, but you haven't indicated that's the case.

> I'm not sure precision is the correct word,

No, precision is the correct word in this case, assuming he's using the scientific meaning. We don't have suitable gauges once IQ gets that high. Neither precision nor accuracy can be assured.

> ... or even what such a high number might mean apart from the test score.

Neither does anyone else.

Blogger Dad29 September 20, 2015 8:40 AM  

Re: "culture", it is a maxim that 'culture is derived from cult.' Thus, given that there is a 'Judaeo-Christian' culture, it is because of the 'Judaeo-Christian' cult. Common elements are the Trinitarian God and the commandments. Not-common elements include the Beatitudes (inter alia), but the basic elements of those can also be found in the (orthodox) Jewish cult.

It is DEVIANCE from that cult/ure which creates the problems. That has to do with the fall of Adam, of course. One could say, then, that the Judaeo-Christian culture has not failed--rather, it has not been fully lived by its adherents.

Blogger VFM bot #188 September 20, 2015 10:37 AM  

I would move somewhere like North Dakota

Cue the Free State Project?

Blogger Danby September 20, 2015 12:08 PM  

@Dad29
Whatever else might be a component of "Judaeo-Christian" culture, I can assure you it does not include the Blessed Trinity.

Blogger bw September 20, 2015 12:18 PM  

The comment section for Mr. French's article on NRO is riddled with faux conservatives calling people 'racists' and calling for the censorship and deletion of 'white nationalists' comments including any Trump supporters.

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it must be an SJW marxist churchian cuck.

Blogger Student in Blue September 20, 2015 1:42 PM  

@125. VFM bot #188
Cue the Free State Project?
It *looks* nice, but there were two big things that immediately leapt out at me - the "religious tolerence" (and how they calculated it) and "Anyone who promotes violence, racial hatred, or bigotry is not welcome."

With how common it is to be labeled as a bigot and racist when only bringing up differences in races, I have a sinking suspicion that they're cucks, and unless they're really lucky they will just get steamrolled whenever Empire America collapses.

Blogger Feather Blade September 20, 2015 1:44 PM  

@111 Pacific Northwest (WA, OR) and east through Montana and Wyoming. Oh alright, throw in the Dakotas.

Leave Seattle and the rest of the trans-Cascade cities out, they're too liberal to be saved.(Well... I suppose you've have to keep Portland and Vancouver so they couldn't cut off access to the ocean...maybe they could just be razed?)

Blogger Danby September 20, 2015 1:50 PM  

The Free state project is ideological Libertarian, which is to say, anti-nationalist Leftist. The cognitive dissonance between open borders and trying to get a local majority by flooding a few counties in NH seems beynd their mental reach.

Blogger Dexter September 20, 2015 1:53 PM  

Who the hell is Charles Martin?

This guy?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Martin_%28author%29

Blogger Lucas September 20, 2015 3:17 PM  

Vox, these posts in which you dismantle their "logic" are great. Keep them coming, mate.

Blogger justaguy September 20, 2015 6:25 PM  

At some point a bit beyond three- five SD's, further SD's can't be measured (currently), no longer dominate analysis, and no longer have meaning in terms of g and its relation to output.

Blogger SciVo September 20, 2015 6:53 PM  

@ Student in Blue: I'm now wondering how many of those who claimed to only understand dialectic were instead under the influence of, and relying heavily on, pseudo-dialectic.

Real logical rigor is, well, rigorous. It's a lot harder than just being spergy. A distaste for emotional manipulation is actually irrational, unless you're a masochistic cuck that wants to be ineffectual.

But then, we've read Influence by Cialdini. We know we're not as rational as we would like to think.

Blogger Student in Blue September 20, 2015 7:09 PM  

@SciVo

So in other words... it's very likely most if not all of them are pseudo-dialectic. :)

It's a shame just how vital rhetoric is, but we're only human. Now it appears to be necessary for many of the "purely rational" people too.

Blogger SciVo September 20, 2015 7:09 PM  

@ Feather Blade: I suppose you've have to keep Portland and Vancouver so they couldn't cut off access to the ocean...maybe they could just be razed?

I go back and forth on that question. It's possible that if push came to shove, all those left-libertarian urban farmers would see the light and be useful.

Blogger SciVo September 20, 2015 7:18 PM  

@ Student in Blue: "So in other words..."

Ha! ISWYDT.

Good technique.

Blogger Student in Blue September 20, 2015 8:13 PM  

SciVo... I wish I did that intentionally.

Blogger SciVo September 20, 2015 9:30 PM  

@ Student in Blue:

Ah! So you're a natural rhetorician like me. That was a perfect restatement of "So what you're saying is..."

Blogger Student in Blue September 20, 2015 11:13 PM  

@SciVo

Natural rhetorician? I won't claim it for myself, but the "So what you're saying is..." phrase has been accurately labeled by Vox as a Gamma tell particularly when it's followed by an incorrect paraphrasing, and I still struggle with Gamma tendencies. I think I've basically trained myself to not specifically say that phrase, which is missing the entire point of the tell, I know.

In this case however, I was paraphrasing to simplify for anyone reading and to confirm I was on the same page as you.

Blogger bob k. mando September 21, 2015 12:09 AM  

@62

Blogger SciVo September 21, 2015 1:25 AM  

@ Student in Blue:

Well, you used accurate paraphrasing. So I was just teasing you. :)

Blogger Student in Blue September 21, 2015 7:17 AM  

@SciVo

So I was just teasing you. :)

...I'm going back to sleep.

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