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Sunday, September 06, 2015

Hiatus

This year the VFPL will be on hiatus. I simply don't have time to run it. So we'll all have to put up with Nate waving his rings around for another year as defending VPFL champion.

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Anonymous Billy September 06, 2015 12:30 PM  

I'm fairly disgusted with football this year. Between the black out of whites on the collegiate, and the NFL cutting Tebow. I still cant figure out how someone like RG3 or Geno Smiff still has a job and Tebo doesn't . I think its the end of the road for Tebow. The anti-white, anti-Christian league has spoken.

Blogger Nate September 06, 2015 12:39 PM  

R3III has a job... a backup job.

Look I know it hurts your little feelings... but the reason Tebow doesn't have a job is because he sucks.

Blogger VD September 06, 2015 12:42 PM  

I still cant figure out how someone like RG3 or Geno Smiff still has a job and Tebow doesn't.

Because they can throw the ball and Tebow can't. Look, he's been given fair opportunities. He just can't throw the ball accurately enough for the NFL. It's not a mystery. It's not anti-Christian bias. It is a fundamental inability to perform one of the most important aspects of the job.

Blogger Josh September 06, 2015 12:46 PM  

Between the black out of whites on the collegiate, and the NFL cutting Tebow.

Shut up retard

Blogger Josh September 06, 2015 12:48 PM  

The anti-white, anti-Christian league has spoken

Funny how that same league just made JJ Watt the highest paid non qb in league history.

Blogger grendel September 06, 2015 12:55 PM  

Sea of Skulls! Sea of Skulls!

Blogger Cail Corishev September 06, 2015 12:57 PM  

RGIII had one good year, which is one more than Tebow. And he would have been gone or demoted sooner if not for his owner being in love with him.

The sports media and a lot of the fans promote black QBs higher than their talent deserves, but the teams want to win. If Tebow could help a team win, he'd have a job. There might be some owners who wouldn't hire an outspoken Christian, but certainly not all of them.

Blogger Nate September 06, 2015 12:58 PM  

aaron rogers... white... overtly christian... its almost like being really good is enough for the NFL.

Anonymous Hrw-500 September 06, 2015 1:05 PM  

I read that article from 2012 titled "Death of football". Maybe it's more closer then we thought. And Will Smith's upcominc movie titled "Concussion" might give a big blow to American football.

Anonymous zen0 the Ephemeral September 06, 2015 1:08 PM  

I hear tell Tebow just can't work through his reads fast enough.

Reading comprehension problem.

Anonymous Billy September 06, 2015 1:11 PM  

It's incredible how everyone on this site from the owner to the last commenter will bemoan the marxist takeover of every institution from the federal govn to the girl scouts. Yet when it comes to professional sports, they have a blind spot. All one has to do is read the sports media own words or the owners statements. Sports is at the forefront of social change of pushing a marxist anti-white agenda. Do you not know who runs the sports media, who owns a majority of pro teams. "He just can't throw the ball accurately enough for the NFL" I'm assuming you didn't watch him in the preseason. He is a hell of a lot more accurate than Geno Smith has every been, or an EJ" Manuel to name another. I guess I just need to not believe my lying eyes. War is peace, freedom is slavery etc.

Blogger VD September 06, 2015 1:17 PM  

Do you not know who runs the sports media, who owns a majority of pro teams. "He just can't throw the ball accurately enough for the NFL" I'm assuming you didn't watch him in the preseason. He is a hell of a lot more accurate than Geno Smith has every been, or an EJ" Manuel to name another. I guess I just need to not believe my lying eyes. War is peace, freedom is slavery etc.

No, you need to stop being an idiot. Tebow always looks good when it doesn't matter. Like all QBs, he can use a modified style when he has plenty of time. In a real game, he reverts under pressure and throws the ball five yards over the fullback's head on a simple out.

Look, I like the guy. But he's not an NFL quality quarterback and he probably knows it or he would have gone to Canada and proved himself like Warren Moon did.

Anonymous Billy September 06, 2015 1:20 PM  

@Hrw-500 I've got a work acquaintance who was a lifelong FSU fan (since 1979 he says lol). He says the Winston fiasco turned him off to the game. That football was more important than dignity and justice. From the looks of things down here in Harris county ga. I think his experience is anecdotal. The folks here are in a religious fervor over the start of the college game.

Blogger Nate September 06, 2015 1:22 PM  

I would love to see Tebow throwing next to Zach Mettenberger... the difference would be amazing.

Anonymous Billy September 06, 2015 1:29 PM  

I'm not presuming Tebow is a top NFL qb prospect. I've seen him play, and hes a hell of a lot better than a handful of other qb's. Not to mention the other intangibles he brings to the table. I'm not saying hes going to drop back in the pocket and be the next Peyton. I think this has to do with "if you repeat a lie enough times it becomes the truth." Well, that has what the sports media has done with Tebow. After being told how worthless he is as QB, weve come to believe. I trust my eyes. I've seen him win games and lose them. During the preseason games I would watch with the sound muted. The announcers were brutal towards him.

Anonymous Billy September 06, 2015 1:32 PM  

I'd like to see Tebow throw against Alex Smith or RG3. Hell the two of them never throw the ball further than 10 yds. I'm sure Tebow could hold his own.

Blogger Nate September 06, 2015 1:33 PM  

They are brutal towards him because he sucks.

Look... Jason White's college career was as good as Tebow's. He won a national title. he won the heisman.

Then he retired during training camp to save himself the humiliation of the Titans cutting him.

Blogger Nate September 06, 2015 1:33 PM  

And Billy... you make the exact same arguement for Tebow that blacks make for VY.

You're both wrong.

Blogger Cail Corishev September 06, 2015 1:49 PM  

Like all QBs, he can use a modified style when he has plenty of time.

Yeah, the real key for NFL success seems to be mental quickness. In the few seconds before the play starts, he has to be able to read the defense and recognize what they're likely to do. During the play, he has to keep an eye on how that's developing, while going through multiple reads. And he has to do it all without tunnel vision, because he needs to see whether a defender is shading into his line of fire downfield or coming up beside him.

If he can do all that fast enough, you can probably teach him to throw the ball well enough. But the NFL drafts the most successful college QBs, who generally can run and sometimes throw the ball a long way, but haven't shown (or needed) the mental quickness required in the pros, and then hope they have it. That's like drafting a first-baseman based on his fielding and then hoping he can hit.

Chris Cooley, former Redskins TE who's now on the radio, thinks it's going to get worse. It's a lot simpler to get wins in high school and college with an option QB, because training players for a real passing game takes longer and these guys are gone in a few years, so schools aren't training for the pros anymore. He thinks that means the NFL will gradually switch to the college style. I think he's wrong about that, because the league doesn't need all schools to train for the pro game, just some of them. But some teams might get smart enough to stop drafting QBs in the first round and start putting them through more mental drills than physical.

Blogger Nate September 06, 2015 1:50 PM  

RGIII's rookie year he completed 65% of his passes with an average of over 8 yards per completion. he threw 20 TDs and only 5 INTS. He ran for over 800 yards with a 7 yard per carry average and scored 7 rushing TDs.

Comparing Tebow to that is laughable.

Blogger YIH September 06, 2015 1:51 PM  

Vox summed it up well with Tebow. I wish him well, maybe he can return to his broadcast gig, but his football career is over. Without the football ability, the non-football stuff is just a gimmick. Whether it's Tebow's faith or Michael Sam's faggotry, if the football talent is there, they could do massive drugs and become Hall of Famers.
BTW, stick a fork in RGIII, he's done - at least as a Deadskin. The best they can do is keep him as a second-stringer and pray he stays in one piece through the season. My prediction for them? Another top 10 draft pick.

Blogger Nate September 06, 2015 1:53 PM  

I think RGIII is done too. But before the injury... he was good. That's why teams are going to give him as many chances as possible.

Anonymous Roundtine September 06, 2015 2:05 PM  

Tebow also had his chance to play other positions, Belichick wanted to try him at TE. He refuses to play anything but QB, and he isn't a very good QB at the NFL level.

Blogger JDC September 06, 2015 2:05 PM  

Look I know it hurts your little feelings... but the reason Tebow doesn't have a job is because he sucks.

Even at the height of the recent Tebow comeback, they were speaking about him as a 2 point conversion specialist at best.

Blogger JDC September 06, 2015 2:08 PM  

I think Tebow could have done himself a lot of favors had he been willing to switch positions. A fullback perhaps. All indications are that he was never going to entertain that idea. He will have a nice career with the SEC network or ESPN. I'm a fan, he's just not ever going to be an NFL quarterback...maybe a third stringer, but I think he brings too much drama for a player who will be on the bench.

Anonymous Brian September 06, 2015 2:16 PM  

Tebow never could throw. There was a reason he was called the 'human rhinoceros.' His whole game was running through the line, and occasionally he'd throw. A lot of his greatness was actually Percy Harvin. RG3 could throw: at one point several games into his senior year he had more TDs and incompletions. Unfortunately, we're going to see more players coming out of college who throw like Tebow and run like RG3, and it will only make guys like Andy Luck richer.

That being said, my God I used to love football. Not anymore. My interest has waned over the last several years, and 99% of it has been what Goodell has done to it. It's no longer a game, it's a soap opera. That and all the mandatory pink and camo, and 45 Cialis ads per quarter. Enough. I think I will be reading a lot more this fall.

Blogger Nate September 06, 2015 2:17 PM  

"He refuses to play anything but QB, and he isn't a very good QB at the NFL level."

and this is why I say football isn't as important to him as he lets on. He's ultimately a selfish player. He wants to play... but only if he can play QB.

Blogger Nate September 06, 2015 2:19 PM  

also... speaking of football... I think its time to put the "SEC is in Decline!" meme to bed.

The SEC went 12-1 in week one with wins over some good programs... highlighted by Bama wrecking Wisky last night.

Meanwhile... other notable power conferences had bad... bad weekends.

Right PAC 12?

Blogger JDC September 06, 2015 2:30 PM  

also... speaking of football... I think its time to put the "SEC is in Decline!" meme to bed.

I'll pass. It may be baseless and unsupported, but I rather like it on my desk. I keep it right next to my Buckeye national champion conceptual plaque.

Anonymous zen0 the Ephemeral September 06, 2015 2:56 PM  

@26 Brian

It's no longer a game, it's a soap opera.

Exactly.I am sure everybody gets enough of that in real life. NFL is supposed to be escapist entertainment, not a blub fest.

Blogger Nate September 06, 2015 2:59 PM  

" I keep it right next to my Buckeye national champion conceptual plaque."

well you have one for this century... I guess over the next 80 years you can look forward to one more.

Blogger Nate September 06, 2015 3:02 PM  

this year's bama team is way.... WAY better than last year's bama team.
Now... they also are playing the hardest schedule in the country according to a couple websites. So nothing is guaranteed. But lets just say... I would love to get a rematch with OSU.

Blogger bearspaw September 06, 2015 3:07 PM  

Looks like the SJWs finally have thier victory over Vox. It was sheer genius forcing Vox to spend limited time resourses on other matters thereby causing cancellation of this years VFPL.

Blogger Vincent Castrillo September 06, 2015 3:43 PM  

Brian, couldn't have said it better. For years I would pay up for satellite in my apartment after college justfor the season. If I couldn't get satellite I would run to a bar with friends surrounded by idiots just to catch a glimpse of the game. I'd read a lot on the internet about it. It's funny my wife and I on our second date went to a bar to watch my Saints on the first game of their super bowl season. Yet for the life of me, I barely care anymore. I watch a lot of Premier League and have been a Liverpool fan since 1990 but as for any sports over here I just can't be bothered. I find myself going to church and then I'll come home and mow the grass or play with my kids and only remember there is a game when I see grown men in bright neon colors yelling about scoring.

It really has opened my eyes to have foolish and juvenile it was even in the best of times. If a Saints game is on tv in the state I live and I'm already in front of the tv I'll watch parts of it, but as you said, it seems like a game of naggers for the sole purpose of muttonheads and fantasy losers. All of this presided over by a retard and incessantly pumped up with whatever propaganda of the day by announcers and the hideous ESPN.

Even college is not immune to this. When I can no longer tolerate watching LSU or LFC I'll simply give up sports all together and be that much better for it.

Blogger S1AL September 06, 2015 3:51 PM  

Tebow is a good athlete with a skillet that just doesn't work in football. He's also am absurdly decent and genuine man of faith, which makes it even more of a shame that he's not better at the job.

Anonymous nordicthunder #0326 September 06, 2015 4:15 PM  

32." I would love to get a rematch with OSU."

Speaking of which, were is that pic of you rocking the Buckeye hat? did I miss it?

Blogger James Dixon September 06, 2015 4:26 PM  

> I still cant figure out how someone like RG3 or Geno Smiff still has a job and Tebo doesn't . I think its the end of the road for Tebow.

Because they can complete a pass down field over 50% of the time. Tebow could have a job in the league any time he wanted: As a tight end or running back. Teams aren't going to completely revamp their offenses to fit his skill set.

I see other people have also made my point, but...

> Yeah, the real key for NFL success seems to be mental quickness.

Not just quickness. You not only have to make quick decisions, they have to be the right ones. The NFL is full of second and third string quarterbacks who read the defense and get rid of the ball quickly, but to the wrong person. That's essentially Geno's problem. He has all the physical skills he needs, but he's not a really good decision maker.

Anonymous Jason Mewes September 06, 2015 4:57 PM  

Between the black out of whites on the collegiate, and the NFL cutting Tebow.

Shut up retard

Josh loves the cuck!

Blogger grendel September 06, 2015 5:02 PM  

I started to lose interest in the NFL when I realized the sideline Suzy reporter thing wasn't just a one-off gimmick. I want to watch women ask players how they feel about the game about as much as I want to watch a PBS telethon hosted by PeeWee Herman.

Anonymous Brian September 06, 2015 5:08 PM  

@34 Vincent

The longer I live the more I realize sports are for kids, teenagers and young adults. By your late-20s, or at least when most of the guys your age are past their prime and have moved on, sports ought to be a secondary entertainment. Going to games was always cheap as long as it was a kid's interest. Now that adults are encouraged to have lifelong interest, it's damn near impossible to take your kid to a game. Money has largely ruined sports for me: too many sponsors and political causes, conference re-alignment and one-and-dones in college, the ubiquity of ESPN.

Call me crazy, but I get more enjoyment out of three hours of catching a football than watching it.

Anonymous Wyrd September 06, 2015 5:14 PM  

Call me crazy, but I get more enjoyment out of three hours of catching a football than watching it.

I couldn't agree with you more. I'd rather spend hours tossing a football with my nephew than minutes watching a game.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan September 06, 2015 5:17 PM  

Not a chance of any SJWism entry into football, fuck me, what is it with watching a game played by others with 11 minutes of action in 3+ plus hours that blinds people to the obvious.

Tebow does not have a job as a 3rd string QB because he is opposite the narrative and if you think otherwise you should chained in front of a TV to watch Herm Edwards black coach emeritus explain how good Joe Webb is as a QB and then watch Joe Webb fill the QB position against the Mighty Pack

Caste Football rules, but go ahead nancy boys watch your ESPN with all your DWF friends.

Blogger Factory September 06, 2015 5:30 PM  

We could use Tebow in Saskatchewan. Im just sayin'...

Anonymous Geoff September 06, 2015 5:36 PM  

Calgary would better suit Tebow given his conservative and religious leanings.

Anonymous Geoff September 06, 2015 5:42 PM  

But I'd really like to see Johnny Football play up in the CFL. He could be the next Doug Flutie.

Blogger Harsh September 06, 2015 5:57 PM  

I think its time to put the "SEC is in Decline!" meme to bed.

The prediction was a week early. The decline starts next week.

For the record I predict a return to dominance for Princeton football.

Anonymous Gapeseed September 06, 2015 6:11 PM  

The key to appreciating Tebow is not to watch him, at least until the fourth quarter. His inaccuracy grates when watching him miss on throws other quarterbacks make, but viewed statistically, he is a fine running quarterback whose low completion percentage is counterbalanced by a low interception percentage and high yards per completion. What's more, he wins and often wins entertainingly. The wins are the important part; my sense is that the data guys have not yet figured out a way to capture Tebow's full value, and that he will unfortunately be more fully appreciated only when he is too old to play.

Blogger bob k. mando September 06, 2015 6:17 PM  

43. Factory September 06, 2015 5:30 PM
We could use Tebow in Saskatchewan. Im just sayin'...



holy crap, what happened to Sask? you win the championship in 2013 and you're 0 for 9 two years later?

how do you even do that?

Anonymous Baseball Savant September 06, 2015 6:20 PM  

Nate,

Re: Alabama, doesn't it feel like Saban is pissed? I think the feel coming out of Tuscaloosa is slightly different than it has been the last couple of years. Do you get that feel down south?

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents September 06, 2015 6:21 PM  

This year the VFPL will be on hiatus. I simply don't have time to run it

Therefore the hiatus of the VFPL is all the SJW's fault

Blogger Nate September 06, 2015 6:26 PM  

"Re: Alabama, doesn't it feel like Saban is pissed? I think the feel coming out of Tuscaloosa is slightly different than it has been the last couple of years. Do you get that feel down south?"

I think there has been a lot of attrition on Saban's staff over the years and it started showing in terms of slower player development over the last couple years. Bringing in Kiffin really helped though.. and this is D is so physical. The whole team has made it a priority to ramp up the intimidation factor to 11.

Ragland preached all off season that teams weren't scared of Bama's D anymore and it was his Holy Mission to change that.

I would argue that last night it certainly appeared to be a step in that direction

Blogger Nate September 06, 2015 6:35 PM  

"Speaking of which, were is that pic of you rocking the Buckeye hat? did I miss it?"

you got the terms of the bet wrong.

It was never wearing a buckeye hat. it was "with" a buckeye hat. And Cheds had always said that religious involvement in various things would also serve to complete the bet. When I posted some stories from VBS he considered the bet satisfied.

he's a classy guy.

But the poor dude has it in his head that I should be preaching. Telling my own pastor that... results in fits of uncontrollable laughter.

Blogger Nate September 06, 2015 6:37 PM  

"
Josh loves the cuck!"

Shut up retard

If your idiotic narrative had any baring on reality VY would still be a starting QB in the league. Instead he's on the street.

Because like Tebow... He sucks.

Anonymous Gapeseed September 06, 2015 6:49 PM  

Vince Young was 31-20 as a starting quarterback in the NFL, and went to two Pro Bowls. He melted down, yes. Also, Young's throwing motion was weird, like he was throwing darts at a pub. I would agree with Nate that Young and Tebow are alike, but our verdicts are opposed. Young was actually pretty good, as Tebow is today. We just haven't figured out a way yet of ignoring our eyes and capturing their true value.

Anonymous Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are dead September 06, 2015 6:58 PM  

Shut up retard

Snoogans.

Blogger Nate September 06, 2015 7:28 PM  

" Young was actually pretty good, as Tebow is today. We just haven't figured out a way yet of ignoring our eyes and capturing their true value."

Judging a starting QB by wins and losses is like judging a starting punter by wins and losses.

its dumb.

I had season tickets throughout the trainwreck that was the VY debacle.

The guy you're defending couldn't learn even the dumbed down offenses they made just for him. He forgot plays in the huddle. His 5th year on the team he was still calling plays that didn't even exist.

He was inaccurate. He was inconsistent. And he was a huge cry baby.

He sucked. Period.

Anonymous Brian September 06, 2015 7:37 PM  

@54 Gapeseed

Vince Young was universally considered a mid-round draft pick before he ran into Pistol Pete Carroll's NFL defense that he admits has no answer for running QBs. He made is Pro Bowl as a rookie when 3 QBs ahead of him were selected and declined, making him the 6th best QB in his conference, or as we call back home, average. (BTW, in that game he tried to throw a screen pass 5 yards in front of him and spiked it at the guy's feet) Let's not forget that heroic game he won when he was sacked on 4th down, but Justin Tuck thought he'd already thrown the ball and didn't finish his tackle, lest he get a roughing penalty, keeping the drive alive (thank you, Roger Goodell). VY has had a LOT of help getting that 31-20 record, don't fool yourself into thinking that a QB's W-L record means much when evaluating them.

Blogger Vincent Castrillo September 06, 2015 7:44 PM  

Yep Nate, there will always be the out-of nowheres that truly believe that the Vince Youngs, Mario Balotellis, and even RG3s are better than perceived and will/would have come good if just xyz happened. Notice they all have one thing in common?

It's the perfect mingling of SJW and racial ignorance. He black so he good. A "smart" position so they desperately want him to succeed. Even guys on this side of the political window are blindsided by it. I literally laugh when a team wastes a first rounder on some damaged or misunderstood black quarterback. How good do you think Tampa Baywill be this year???

I live in Franklin so I know al too well about Vince Young. He was a joke. Yet 5 years later people were still making excuses. It's hilarious the age we live.

Anonymous Brian September 06, 2015 7:44 PM  

"The guy you're defending couldn't learn even the dumbed down offenses they made just for him. He forgot plays in the huddle."

Texas ran a pro-style offense before and after VY came to town. An offense that put Chris Simms and Colt McCoy in the NFL, and made Major Applewhite into a respectable O-coordinator in his early 30s. All of that had to be scrapped. Is it any wonder why he didn't work out in the NFL? That and his inability to stay away from the Cheesecake Factory.

Anonymous Gapeseed September 06, 2015 7:44 PM  

Starting quarterbacks are much more important than punters, so your counter is weak.

Acknowledging your superior vantage as an eyewitness, my point is not that Young or Tebow look particularly good, but that their teams end up winning more games than they lose, with the sheer number of games played suggesting that it is not mere statistical happenstance. You could have guys like Jeff George and Jay Cutler look phenomenal as prototype pocket passers, and yet their teams more often find themselves on the losing end of things. Why Young and Tebow win I can't quite figure out, although I would imagine that it is probably their mobility leading to an overall better running attack combined with a certain calmness late in games. Simply, Tebow and Young are quarterbacks who had or have the knack for winning. They did it in college, they did it as pros, and 70,000 Titans fans swearing affidavits to Young's suckiness won't change the fact that Young had an impressive NFL career by the numbers.

Blogger James Dixon September 06, 2015 7:45 PM  

> Tebow does not have a job as a 3rd string QB because he is opposite the narrative

A third string quarterback has to come in when both the starter and second string quarterback go out with injuries and run the team's offense. Tebow can't do that. You have to set up the offense just for him. That's not going to happen. Tebow is either the starter or he's not on the roster. And he's not good enough to be the starter, so...

Blogger Nate September 06, 2015 7:47 PM  

"> Tebow does not have a job as a 3rd string QB because he is opposite the narrative "

First of all very few teams even keep 3 QBs. and if they do... the third guy is almost always a young guy they took a chance on.

Not an old guy with baggage that can't throw for shit.

Blogger Nate September 06, 2015 7:49 PM  

"They did it in college, they did it as pros, and 70,000 Titans fans swearing affidavits to Young's suckiness won't change the fact that Young had an impressive NFL career by the numbers. "

Trent Dilfer won a super bowl. Dan Marino didn't.

Obviously Trent Dilfer is better than Dan Marino. Because winning.

Bullshit.

The Titans did well when VY was there because they had a damn good defense and a damn good running game.

Anonymous Gapeseed September 06, 2015 7:49 PM  

@58 Uh, Vincent, I started defending Tebow, not Young. It was Nate who made the equivalence, and I picked up that ball and ran with it. Last time I checked, Tebow was white.

Blogger Nate September 06, 2015 7:50 PM  

"How good do you think Tampa Baywill be this year???"

People will point and laugh at Tampa for taking Jameis over Mariota for the next 30 years

Anonymous Gapeseed September 06, 2015 7:57 PM  

@63 - Nate, your sample size for Dilfer is too small, and he piloted an all-time defense whose only demand was for him not to turn the ball over (against a flawed Giants team that lost me money in Vegas).

Marino was obviously a great quarterback, but the utter inability of the Dolphins to field a competent running attack during his career suggests that perhaps Marino was at fault in some way that we don't understand or appreciate. Maybe the Dolphins surrounded Marino with pass blockers who couldn't drive block, maybe they didn't invest sufficient capital in a running back, or perhaps his career-long lack of mobility let defenses play 11-on-10 better with him than against a mobile guy like Tebow or Young.

Anonymous Gapeseed September 06, 2015 8:01 PM  

@65 - We agree on something! I think Mariota will be great, and I think you will appreciate how much his mobility contributes to his passing effectiveness.

Blogger Nate September 06, 2015 8:03 PM  

" and I think you will appreciate how much his mobility contributes to his passing effectiveness. "

actually he hasn't been running hardly at all. I've not seen a single read option play. I would bet over 95% of the passing plays he's made from the pocket.

No. Mobility in QBs isn't a good thing. Its a very bad thing. Its a temptation that gets them hurt.

Anonymous Gapeseed September 06, 2015 8:07 PM  

@68 - Mobility is a good thing, so long as it is not overused. Joe Montana and John Elway were both mobile, and they could both keep drives alive and drive good defenders batty with their occasional scrambling forays. The threat of Mariota running is something that defenders need to plan for, and it contributes in some way to an overall more effective offense, both rushing and passing.

OpenID vfm360 September 06, 2015 8:09 PM  

Any chance for a VFMFL as an alternative?

Blogger Cail Corishev September 06, 2015 8:13 PM  

It's not about whether a QB can throw a pass, or whether he's a "winner." It's about whether he can recognize while he's walking up to center that his left tackle is overmatched so he needs to help him out by taking a couple steps to the right as he backs up, see that the free safety is 5 yards forward from his usual spot in that defense which signals something different is likely coming, and then see a LB charging up the middle on a late blitz and know where that means the open man is. All in maybe 10 seconds total before and after the snap.

A couple weeks ago, Chris Cooley on the radio broke down some film of Redskins preseason plays, and it was amazing how complex it was. He described each play for a full minute, at least, about how this guy shifting here meant this and that guy lined up there meant that. He talked about responsibilities for the QB and other players that you never hear from the regular TV or radio announcers and studio guys. I thought I knew what was going on out there, but not even close. And the QB has to understand it all, and be able to make good, or at least not disastrous, decisions based on it all in a very short time while people are trying to break him in half.

I couldn't do it. Oh, I could study it and learn the decision tree, but I couldn't come close to making the decisions fast enough in a game. That would require years of training and practice, preferably while young, which is exactly what QBs who win games through high school and college with their legs and the occasional pass to a wide open receiver don't get.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan September 06, 2015 8:15 PM  

Rush Limbaugh was right and ESPN still sucks hard on the narrative knob

Blogger Bastiat's Ghost September 06, 2015 8:29 PM  

Hey Vox, I know this is way the hell of topic but how long before 4GW comes out. SJWs Always Lie actually got me to buy a kindle fire so I could read it.

Blogger Nate September 06, 2015 8:38 PM  

"Any chance for a VFMFL as an alternative?"

we're doing an ATF League... but it filled up almost instantly

Blogger JACIII September 06, 2015 8:39 PM  

@71 Cail - It's not about whether a QB can throw a pass, or whether he's a "winner.

Funny thing about coaches not caring about whether their QB is a "Winner" in the NFL - It gets them eventually fired. It's not how you play the game, or even if you can't play the game correctly - It's if you win the game. Except in the NFL?

Nothing but arrogance should keep a basement team from rolling the dice with Tebow. They got nothing to lose

Blogger Nate September 06, 2015 8:42 PM  

"Rush Limbaugh was right and ESPN still sucks hard on the narrative knob"

he was absolutely correct about the media.

but anyone that thinks a team is going to keep bad players over good players because they are gay or black instead of white or christian... is fucking stupid.

Blogger Nate September 06, 2015 8:51 PM  

"Nothing but arrogance should keep a basement team from rolling the dice with Tebow. They got nothing to lose "

Well the basement teams you're talking about are Tennessee who now has 2 NFL quality starters... and Tampa who just spent the number 1 over all pick on a QB.

There is a fantastic reason for NFL teams to not take a chance on him. Its the number 53.

Its the number of roster spots you have to field a whole team... and its a very low number

Blogger Harsh September 06, 2015 8:53 PM  

but anyone that thinks a team is going to keep bad players over good players because they are gay or black instead of white or christian... is fucking stupid.

But how much longer before they cave? At some point there will be an NFL commissioner who will state that the NFL needs an openly gay player. It's only a matter of time.

Blogger Cail Corishev September 06, 2015 8:56 PM  

Nothing but arrogance should keep a basement team from rolling the dice with Tebow.

Nothing except already having three QBs who are either more talented now or appear to have more potential upside for the future.

How many looks from how many different teams has Tebow gotten now? How many other bust QBs get that many?

Blogger Cail Corishev September 06, 2015 9:04 PM  

Harsh, some people think the NFL basically made the Rams draft Michael Sam near the end of the 2014 draft, to avoid headlines of, "NFL refuses to draft gay player." So they've had one, sort of: he didn't make it onto a regular season roster, but he had a uniform with his name on it and everything.

He's now out of football, having walked away from his CFL team due to concerns about his own mental health. Who could have anticipated that?

Blogger Nate September 06, 2015 9:05 PM  

"At some point there will be an NFL commissioner who will state that the NFL needs an openly gay player."

I really thought you people would give up on this bullshit when Sam was run out of the league

Blogger Harsh September 06, 2015 9:11 PM  

I really thought you people would give up on this bullshit when Sam was run out of the league

I'm not selling it one way or another, Nate. It just seems obvious that the NFL is a target of the left. They want it reformed or destroyed. If it's not a gay player, they'll find a way to have a woman coach, or a Muslim place kicker. I don't know.

Blogger Nate September 06, 2015 9:16 PM  

" It just seems obvious that the NFL is a target of the left. They want it reformed or destroyed. If it's not a gay player, they'll find a way to have a woman coach, or a Muslim place kicker. I don't know."

The primary issue is Goodell. He's obviously an SJW at heart.

The need to shit can him.

Anonymous Drew_Deuce's September 06, 2015 9:20 PM  

@32 Nate, you're already wishing for a rematch against the Buckeyes?!! Hahahahh

O-H

Anonymous Drew_Deuce's September 06, 2015 9:23 PM  

Oh, and why can't VD get a substitute commish for the VPFL this year? Just change the password and allow someone else to handle it. VD can auto-draft and not adjust his roster all year if he's too busy (maybe he'll finish higher in the standings that way...)

I was kinda pumped to be back at it again.

Blogger Josh September 06, 2015 9:24 PM  

Look...if there was a gay player who was 300lbs and ran a 4.4 and had 35 reps on the bench, he'd be taken first overall.

Blogger JACIII September 06, 2015 9:29 PM  

There are lot of "more talented" QBs than TT who's L's outnumber their W's. It is reasonable for a coach to want to chart his own destiny with his total system implemented. It's his ass on the line after all, but if he really had such a good handle on the game his team wouldn't be in the basement. The inability to consider this is arrogance. There is much chaos in football - it is perhaps in that chaos that players like Tebow belie their stats.

It's the W's that fill the seats. Tebow would likely go out in a year or two to injury, but a basement coach could get a little breathing room from some W's and season ticket sales.

Blogger James Dixon September 06, 2015 9:32 PM  

> Look...if there was a gay player who was 300lbs and ran a 4.4 and had 35 reps on the bench, he'd be taken first overall.

The fact that Sam came out as gay before the draft tells you all you need to know about his ability. It was a deliberate attempt to influence the draft and get him a shot he otherwise would not have gotten.

Blogger Cail Corishev September 06, 2015 9:36 PM  

but anyone that thinks a team is going to keep bad players over good players because they are gay or black instead of white or christian... is fucking stupid.

Right. I do think owners and GMs sometimes let wishful thinking overrule good sense -- see #1 pick Winston -- but that's not the same thing as saying they would knowingly play a lesser player for political reasons.

Besides, Tebow doesn't have to beat RG3 or Geno to get a spot; he just has to beat the worst backup QB in the league, whoever that is. And most of those guys are white. Take the Chiefs, for instance. They have three QBs on the roster, plus one on injured reserve, all as white as me. They aren't dedicating any roster spots to weak black QBs. If Tebow looked like he could outplay white guys Smith or Daniel, or be enough better than the white rookies to be worth spending a spot on, they'd try him out.

Blogger Cail Corishev September 06, 2015 9:40 PM  

The primary issue is Goodell. He's obviously an SJW at heart.

Completely. Not only that, he basically forced me to become a Tom Brady fan over the offseason. He must suffer.

Blogger James Dixon September 06, 2015 9:43 PM  

> Not only that, he basically forced me to become a Tom Brady fan over the offseason.

Do you have any other vices we should know about Cail? I mean, cheating on your taxes is one thing, but being a Tom Brady fan?

Blogger Harsh September 06, 2015 9:46 PM  

Not only that, he basically forced me to become a Tom Brady fan over the offseason.

I know there's no formal rule about being a Tom Brady fan, but I may have to lodge a protest anyway.

Blogger Harsh September 06, 2015 9:47 PM  

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Blogger Cail Corishev September 06, 2015 9:49 PM  

It just seems obvious that the NFL is a target of the left.

Oh, there's no doubt about that. Every influential organization is a target of the left, and the NFL is a sweet prize. From the Rooney Rule, to promoting Michael Sam well above his skills, to Pinktober, to "No More," a significant amount of SJW infiltration has already happened. But that doesn't mean SJW influence is behind every roster move that some fans don't like.

Blogger Harsh September 06, 2015 9:54 PM  

But that doesn't mean SJW influence is behind every roster move that some fans don't like.

Oh, no doubt and I didn't mean to imply that. I know, for example, that Tebow isn't out of a job because of anti-Christian sentiment.

Blogger Nate September 06, 2015 9:54 PM  

"Do you have any other vices we should know about Cail? I mean, cheating on your taxes is one thing, but being a Tom Brady fan?"

so Roger Goodell made you start sucking dicks?

Blogger Cail Corishev September 06, 2015 9:54 PM  

Do you have any other vices we should know about Cail?

Well, I did once own a Yaz album....

Don't get me wrong, I'll still be rooting for Brady to get crushed on the field this season. But I had to root for him for standing up to Goodell's idiocy this summer, and that was bad enough.

Blogger Harsh September 06, 2015 10:04 PM  

Well, I did once own a Yaz album....

This is just too much for me. I'm going to have a gin fizz and lie down for a while.

Anonymous rubberducky September 06, 2015 10:04 PM  

Growing up in Dallas under the Tom Landry regime, it was unthinkable to have a rookie quarterback. The Cowboys never had one until Troy Aikman, and that of course worked out. But the Aikman retired early and folly ensued with Quincy Carter and Chad Hutchinson.

Could be wrong, but it seemed like it was Landry's expectation, and one shared around the league, that you needed 2 or 3 years to develop a young quarterback. Putting a rookie out there was a gamble, and also an unfair expectation to throw at a young player. What happened to that mentality? The logic of it seems sound and true. Has every owner cast out the idea of building a winning organization over time, in preference for winning today?

I'm also deciding whether or not to cancel my ESPN cable package. What they did to Curt Shilling simply outraged me, having a "last straw" kind of effect. But heck I'm like a junky, is the fall without football something I can actually, you know, make it through? LOL

Anonymous nordicthunder #0326 September 06, 2015 10:43 PM  

@52
got it, I did miss it then. well done by both parties.
so your pastor was less than enthused at the thought of you in the pulpit. maybe the minions can set up an online cathedral of some sort, you can preach there.

@ 84

I-O

Anonymous 334 September 06, 2015 11:42 PM  

@90.

Weighing in here: TOTAL Tom Brady fan.

Blogger Harsh September 06, 2015 11:53 PM  

@101

15-yard penalty and loss of down.

Blogger bob k. mando September 07, 2015 12:37 AM  

102. Harsh September 06, 2015 11:53 PM
15-yard penalty and loss of down.



hey, Brady is making Goodell look like the idiot he is
AND
this situation has made a break between Kraft and Goodell
AND
a bunch of black players around the league are pissed that Brady is "getting away with it because he's white" and look like they might just get excitable this year.


these things all have to count for something.

Blogger Harsh September 07, 2015 12:40 AM  

these things all have to count for something.

::grumble:: Okay. I still don't like that pretty boy.

Blogger James Dixon September 07, 2015 6:35 AM  

> Well, I did once own a Yaz album....

That's it Cail, let it all out, we're here for you. We've all been there...

Nah, I can't do it. Parody it obviously not my forte. :(

Blogger TontoBubbaGoldstein September 07, 2015 9:09 AM  

If there is no VPFL2015, the SJWS win.

Anonymous Jack Amok September 07, 2015 2:28 PM  

Not only that, he basically forced me to become a Tom Brady fan over the offseason.

Goodell vs Brady is sort of like watching the 49ers play the Ravens. I'm hoping there's a way for both of them to lose.

Anonymous Clay September 08, 2015 12:55 AM  

Huh. Yes, brother Nate is a two-time Champ of the VPFL, but so am I. And I didn't get an automatic gurantee to play the next year....which really matters near the end of the season, as far as keepers go.

Oh well...fight your demons, VD.

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