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Wednesday, September 23, 2015

How NOT to do it

In which a pair of morons who offended SJWs and feminists by having sex with women and then writing about it demonstrate that a basic working knowledge of Game is woefully insufficient to deal with an SJW attack:
To Our Asheville Community:

We know many of you are very angry right now. That anger is justified. There is nothing to balm the wound for now, and we recognize that. We validate and affirm your frustration and disappointment. We’ve issued separate individual apologies, and those stand more than ever.

We’ve said terrible and demeaning things – things that belie unhealthy thought patterns that do not contribute to a stable and equal society. Things our mothers and sisters had to hear. We cannot and will not excuse these things. We grieve for the systematic and ongoing actions we’ve taken. We apologize to the women in our lives and the greater community for the harm we’ve caused, and the potential danger we’ve put them in with our attitudes and beliefs.

We opened Sunday in order to have conversations with some of our regular customers, and to give an opportunity for folks to chat if they wished. A few did just that, and we’re grateful for your thoughts and feelings. We’re humbled by and undeserving of the grace displayed by so many in the face of our actions.

We’re going to close for the next couple days so we can have some room for introspection. We want to allow ourselves to be accountable to our friends, family, employees, clergy, and counselors for our actions, and give ourselves room to be silent and reflect. These attitudes were not grown in a day, and they will not be destroyed in a day. We want to humbly commit to that process. We’re not good people, but we want to be.

We’re going to donate all our business profits through the end of the year to Our Voice. Many of you in the community have great regard for this organization, and their work is of immense importance. We know this is but a step, but it’s something to which we can commit. Our employees who have lost their jobs due to our behavior will be given severance to help as they transition.

With deep regret,

Jared & Jacob
One guess how their craven apology went over. One guess what the inevitable response to their belly-crawling and backtracking and introspection and offering of tribute was. If you've read SJWs Always Lie, you know what comes next:
A local business support group has asked that Waking Life Espresso return a loan intended to support a second location as anger mounted Monday over anonymous Internet media posts in which the coffee shop owners boasted of sexual conquests.

That request from Mountain BizWorks came the same day another nonprofit, Our VOICE, said it would reject any donations given to it by Waking Life.
What utter morons. This is precisely why you do NOT publicly apologize. You do not EVER apologize when faced with an SJW attack. No exceptions. None.

What total fucking cowards. Those women who were upset about their sex lives being discussed and rated were only angry before, they are probably writhing in shame and disgust now.

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124 Comments:

Blogger Soga September 23, 2015 7:20 PM  

Apologizing only works in a honest, Christian society where apologizing is publicly seen as the right thing to do, and people forgive the apologizing person.

In a mad society teeming with SJWs? As our gracious host has emphasized multiple times, an apology is a confession.

Blogger Noah B #120 September 23, 2015 7:25 PM  

I'm confused about the "basic working knowledge of Game" part. I see no Game from these two.

Blogger VD September 23, 2015 7:31 PM  

I see no Game from these two.

What caused them to come under criticism was they had a blog talking about using Game and how well it had worked with various women.

Instead of saying: "that's right, we are young, successful men and we have sex with young, pretty women, that's how cool our place is", they caved. And they'll probably go out of business as a result due to stupidity.

Blogger Daniel September 23, 2015 7:32 PM  

Good grief, I thought it was the subway guy apologizing for statutory. This Jared banged a barista?

There is this player-style SJW that I see occasionally: they fake these women's issues things to mack on gals, and it sort of works, but I imagine they end up making creeper apologies like this a lot.

"I'm sincerely sorry anal sex in the storeroom did not make you feel valued as an individual."

Blogger Noah B #120 September 23, 2015 7:34 PM  

I gathered it must be something like that, but I couldn't find their blog. Yes, their stupidity and weakness has probably doomed Waking Life Espresso.

Blogger Noah B #120 September 23, 2015 7:39 PM  

SJWs won't be going there anymore. For everyone else, the cool factor is gone forever.

Blogger Daniel September 23, 2015 7:39 PM  

Could you have a starker contrast between Leo Grin and these guys? For once the nerds actually beat the hell out of the jocks in the social game.

That damn book of yours is working miracles.

Blogger Hammerli280 September 23, 2015 7:48 PM  

Study Donald Trump...he's giving a superlative example of how to crush SJWs. He's totally unapologetic - about just about anything.

Blogger Evil Brad September 23, 2015 7:49 PM  

SJW attacks are the 21st-Century, online version of this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Struggle_session

Blogger Eric Wilson September 23, 2015 8:02 PM  

The thing that struck me was their vocabulary. It was so over the top SWPL/SJWish. No one actually talks like that in real life, right?

We validate and affirm your frustration and disappointment.

Do you have to pay for parking at their coffee shop?

Blogger Markku September 23, 2015 8:11 PM  

If you ever find yourself in the water with a shark, you should cut yourself. The blood in the water will probably appease the shark and it'll go away.

Blogger buwaya September 23, 2015 8:12 PM  

"Those women who were upset about their sex lives being discussed and rated "

Gentlemen don't kiss and tell. That's boorish anyway.
And they don't name names. That's much worse, I don't know if they did.
You are right though, the reaction is disproportionate and maniacal.

OpenID basementhomebrewer September 23, 2015 8:16 PM  

"We’re going to donate all our business profits through the end of the year to Our Voice."

One suspects that either they setup their business to pay themselves a living salary or they did not need the money. Either way it sounds like they have a wealthy relative that was bank rolling their project.

I wouldn't be surprised if that wealthy relative was mommy or a pair of mommies who were offended by their web page and wrote this apology for them.

Blogger Cail Corishev September 23, 2015 8:19 PM  

"Validate and affirm" is Game lingo, though it's a complicated, rapport-based type of Game that I thought was an artifact by now. The idea is that when a girl talks about her problems (which she will) you "validate" them -- in other words, you affirm that they're real. Yeah, it's goofy. But that's what she's looking for: not solutions, not even comfort exactly, but for you to affirm her reality. That builds rapport and makes her feel like you're in the same reality together, so she'll be more likely to stick with you as the night goes on. Add some NLP/hypnosis and framing techniques, and you get her into sort of a voluntary trance.

It's a lot of work, and less effective than a neg and a slap on the ass. Dominance easily trumps rapport. So those words give me an image of a particular kind of Game nerd, and it's no surprise that they couldn't translate that to a different type of challenge.

Blogger Unknown September 23, 2015 8:19 PM  

If we give away enough free coffee we will make millions on volume!!!

Blogger JDC September 23, 2015 8:20 PM  

I lived in Asheville for a year. It's crazy town. All the snow instructors out west vacation their in the summer. Aside from Biltmore Estates there's no reason to go there. Unless you want to be covered in liberal craziness.

Blogger Unknown September 23, 2015 8:23 PM  

And what the fuck were they thinking. No woman wan't other women to KNOW! she is an idiot.

Blogger Salt September 23, 2015 8:24 PM  

Ashville. Might as well have been Chapel Hill.

Blogger Unknown September 23, 2015 8:24 PM  

"We’re going to donate all our business profits through the end of the year to Our Voice."

Yup! That's why I want their coffee!!

Blogger Martin X September 23, 2015 8:30 PM  

Word today, they are selling the coffee shop. Asheville is 90% SJW hippie town so they would have gone out of business now that they were outed for naughty thoughts. In fact, there is even an effort to get one of them charged with rape because he joked on a podcast that one women he screwed was on drugs and may not have been able to give consent. These guys are fucked. I'd like to find out how and who outed them. They didn't disguise their voices though they used fake names. I'm guessing it was someone in their inner circle that they revealed their secret pua personas with, who created the blog that outed them.

Either way, what they did was super risky being that their business and lives were centered in an ultra- SJW bee hive that is Asheville, a town that still thinks its 1969. I visit several times a year. Lots of swpl whites living in a laid back liberal mountain town, tons of breweries and outdoor activities, kids openly smoking weed on the back patio of every bar, no cops in sight anywhere. It's actually a really nice place, especially since it has very little diversity/no crime. It's safe to walk around at night, stumbling from brewery to brewery. It's the kind of place that's ripe for some refugee resettlement organization to dump 10k Somalis to ruin it.

Blogger Sherwood family September 23, 2015 8:51 PM  

One thing that I have learned reading this blog and watching subsequent events play out (including Trump's campaign): People will tolerate almost anything but they do not like weaseling weakness. If you try to twist things to show that "Hey, what I did wasn't really what you think I did," or if you cave and apologize they will eat you. If you own what you did, but not in an apologetic way, then you can make it through the crisis. I am thinking here, actually, of Anthony Wiener. If, rather than lie and temporize, he had said, "You bet I sent those photos, the ladies love 'em." He probably would have survived, the media was already bending over backwards to give him an out. Conservatives have a much harder time but that is why being even more aggressive about it is the key. What often hamstrings conservatives, is that revelations of wrong doing typically imply hypocrisy: The whole Duggar melt down for example. One can't go around pushing one thing while doing another. A double minded man and all that. Personal consistency is the key here and then an aggressive response when the demand for an apology is made.

Blogger GreenEyedJinn September 23, 2015 8:59 PM  

@13: Spot on.
@20: likely a guy who worked for them that wanted one or more of the women the owners bragged about.

Vox - I'd say you should mail them a book. Maybe they'll learn to stand up for themselves, not let their moms apologize for them, and,...ah, never mind. They're lost souls.

Blogger GreenEyedJinn September 23, 2015 9:00 PM  

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OpenID thenatem September 23, 2015 9:02 PM  

@4 @4 "I'm sincerely sorry anal sex in the storeroom did not make you feel valued as an individual."

actually that sounds like a funny quote for the blog. I used to feel bad for girls who got roped into stuff like that, til I realized that was just any woman given sufficient game. kinda makes you view dating with a jaundiced eye. Except when YOU'RE the guy convincing her to blow you in a risky location.

Blogger Carl Philipp September 23, 2015 9:06 PM  

OT: There is justice, even against SJWs. The gag order against Eron Gjoni has been overturned; Zoe Quinn tried to retreat unsuccessfully. Here is his reddit post announcing the happenings:
https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/3lvq0g/hey_guys_eron_here_with_a_legal_update/
Never give up. Never surrender. Give no quarter, for you will receive none. DEUS VULT!

Blogger Feather Blade September 23, 2015 9:19 PM  

@25 The comments on that update are just lovely ^_^. I think this one is my favorite:

"crystalflash 163 points 1 day ago
This person is the same one giving a speech about cyberbullying at the UN. This and the fact that they just put Saudi Arabia as head of the Human Rights committee makes me regret mocking those ultra-conservative isolationists who wanted to pull the US out of the UN."

Blogger 334 September 23, 2015 9:37 PM  

The grovelling is hideous. "We’re going to close for the next couple days so we can have some room for introspection." Urgh.

It's like a textbook on how to do the very opposite of the only thing that might work.

Blogger JAY WILL September 23, 2015 9:41 PM  

How would this have played out without an apology? Possibly worse depending on their overall life situation.

Blogger Daniel September 23, 2015 9:45 PM  

Are you kidding Jay Will? Would Sylvia Plath been somehow worse off for not cleaning the oven that day?

Blogger Cail Corishev September 23, 2015 9:57 PM  

They're going to be stripped of any dignity they haven't already surrendered, and then their business will be destroyed and they'll be ostracized. If they're smart, they'll probably leave town and start over elsewhere.

How exactly could that be made "worse"? If they'd simply said, "Yeah, we like sex and you wouldn't believe how easy chicks are in this town," what could be done to them that won't be now?

That's why SJWs get away with it most of the time: people thinking standing up to them will somehow make things worse. It won't. Most likely it'll make things better. If nothing else, you'll feel better about yourself when it's over.

Blogger automatthew September 23, 2015 9:58 PM  

How would this have played out without an apology? Possibly worse depending on their overall life situation.

What's wrong with you?

Stop it, or I'll bury you alive in a box.

Blogger Weouro September 23, 2015 10:03 PM  

Maybe it's not too late to take back the fake apology. "We feel bad about lying about about feeling bad. We take back our apology and want to ask the all of the women who enabled our "misogyny" to come for a discounted cup of coffee."

Blogger Salt September 23, 2015 10:09 PM  

@32 way, way to late. Perhaps someone well versed could re-spin it... but not them.

Blogger maniacprovost September 23, 2015 10:12 PM  

Personally, I would have posted a series of outraged rants about the internet trolls who were doxxing local women and slut-shaming.

Blogger Bill September 23, 2015 10:12 PM  

I dunno, that almost reads like satire. Could be real, maybe it's what they thought people wanted to hear.

Could just be how people write these days, but it's just unbelievably, abjectly obsequious, I half expected a "gollum" or two.

OpenID corvinus333 September 23, 2015 10:27 PM  

In a mad society teeming with SJWs? As our gracious host has emphasized multiple times, an apology is a confession.

@1 Soga
Yet another reason God intended for priests to be men.

Maybe it's not too late to take back the fake apology. "We feel bad about lying about about feeling bad. We take back our apology and want to ask the all of the women who enabled our "misogyny" to come for a discounted cup of coffee."

way, way to late. Perhaps someone well versed could re-spin it... but not them.


@32 Weouro @33 Salt
I suppose they could try to recover and go on the offensive by attacking the SJWs. Something like, "We retract our apology and our offer to donate to One Voice due to the complete lack of compassion shown by the individuals concerned by our activity when our apology was proffered."

That's the only way it's at all possible for them to proceed: paint the SJWs as the bad guys. At least they'd get their self-respect back, even if they're still destroyed.

Blogger Weouro September 23, 2015 10:31 PM  

""These are literally the women of the community that we live with," she said. "These are our friends. These are our loved ones. These are our neighbors. There are mothers [sic]."

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2015/09/21/asheville-blog-podcast-sexual-conquests/72586252/

Blogger Tar Heel September 23, 2015 10:39 PM  

Martin X is right. Asheville is my home town, and I tend to roll my eyes at the "Mountain Xpress" eccentricity and go about my business. That's probably going to change, one way or another. As the Dark Lord (Vile Faceless Minion #0245 reporting, sir) so aptly points out, they will end up messing with you.

I bought SJWs Always Lie just yesterday, and then this happens. At this point, I am forewarned and forearmed.

Asheville is a place rich in history, like a lot of North Carolina. It repulsed the Union during the War of Northern Aggression. It endured the Depression. Two generations of my family (on both sides) have called it home. I will stay and fight, if needed.

I know not everyone here is moved by my dramatic post, but do remember that not every battle in this war is distant.

Blogger Desiderius September 23, 2015 10:42 PM  

"'Validate and affirm' is Game lingo"

More commonly standard SJW boilerplate. Interchangeable with Listen and Believe.

Blogger Desiderius September 23, 2015 10:44 PM  

"I know not everyone here is moved by my dramatic post, but do remember that not every battle in this war is distant."

The infection is just now settling in in traditionally conservative areas and institutions...

Blogger Tar Heel September 23, 2015 10:47 PM  

Which just makes it more important to sort the cuckservatives from the principled Rightists, yes. If I'm following you, Desiderius.

Blogger Wyatt Frost September 23, 2015 10:59 PM  

Will you have the paperback/hardcover, don't matter, of SJW's always lie out by Christmas?

Blogger Groot September 23, 2015 11:04 PM  

@4. Daniel:
"I'm sincerely sorry anal sex in the storeroom did not make you feel valued as an individual."

ZOMG, this is hilarious. LOL, I love this fricking blog.

@11. Markku:
"If you ever find yourself in the water with a shark, you should cut yourself. The blood in the water will probably appease the shark and it'll go away."

Markk this as a super-genius moment. Maybe they should use Acme "blood in a test tube."

@35. Bill:
"I half expected a 'gollum' or two."

Why can't I stop laughing? This is Dumb and Dumber in real life. It's true, SJWAL is just pure genius. The entertainment value is sky high.

Blogger Dan Horton September 23, 2015 11:26 PM  

Here's an example of the correct way to "negotiate with terrorists:"

http://dailycaller.com/2015/09/22/nhl-legend-blows-off-womans-attempt-to-extort-him-with-post-sex-photo/

OpenID corvinus333 September 23, 2015 11:31 PM  

@44 Dan Horton

NHL legend Jaromir Jagr, 43, recently hooked up with a bombshell 18-year-old model, and after the sex session the model attempted to extort Jagr for $2,000 in return for not releasing a photo of them in bed, according to Complex.

Jagr then hit the model back with the greatest response of all time: “I don’t care.”


"I don't care"?
... Vox, is Jagr a VFM by any chance?

Heartiste would probably laugh his ass off if this happened to him.

Blogger Bill September 23, 2015 11:33 PM  

The worst part about this is those morons actually passed up a legit chance to use "As many of you know, our coffee is as strong and hot as we are". And all the other usual sophomoric knee-slappers. Oh, and they should have offered free antibiotics.

Blogger SciVo September 23, 2015 11:58 PM  

@ corvinus333: ""I don't care"?
... Vox, is Jagr a VFM by any chance?"

The whole point of a good meme is the six degrees of separation, and that's a great one, so the odds are miniscule.

Blogger SciVo September 24, 2015 12:05 AM  

@ Bill: There is actually a Tex-Mex chain called Pink Taco. You can do anything if you don't apologize.

OpenID corvinus333 September 24, 2015 12:11 AM  

@ Bill: There is actually a Tex-Mex chain called Pink Taco. You can do anything if you don't apologize.

@48 SciVo
I'm surprised nobody has brought up Hooters yet.

Blogger ScuzzaMan September 24, 2015 12:27 AM  

The base craven snivelling of the language is disgusting. No human should ever adopt such a posture, let alone a man.

"We want to allow ourselves ..." ???

What insane kind of supine submission posturing is this? Who talks like that, ever?

Blogger ScuzzaMan September 24, 2015 12:36 AM  

Oh, and not a word from the shriekers and gibberers about what sluts their dear sisters, mothers, and daughters have been, I note.

All fury and damnation for the men, but sainthood for the women. Nothing at all to see here.

Blogger bob k. mando September 24, 2015 12:45 AM  

51. ScuzzaMan September 24, 2015 12:36 AM
Oh, and not a word from the shriekers and gibberers about what sluts their dear sisters, mothers, and daughters have been, I note.



you'll notice the same LACK of concern for female behavior in that English barrister story Mint linked.

which implies *what* about the woman who wrote that story?

Blogger MidKnight (#138) September 24, 2015 12:56 AM  

@Tar Heel - Live in the state south near the coast, and agree totally. Great place to drop by for a day or two - laid back, fun hiking trails in the nearby hills. That or hit it up on the way over to Gatlinburg to spend a couple of days at the Smokies.

Liberal as hell, but until recently, in a tolerable and easygoing "you do your thing I do mine" way like a lot of mountain communities I'd seen.

The women are a mix of what you'd expect from SJW's , and some rather pretty ones.

Blogger SirThermite (VFM #0025) September 24, 2015 12:58 AM  

Howard Stern, Hugh Heffner, Ron Jeremy, Charlie Sheen, Adam Carolla, Tucker Max, Mystery, Neil Strauss, or even some dude claiming to be the embodiment of Christian Grey from 50 Shades, could've opened a coffee shop and sell women souvenir t-shirts and thongs. But these guys are done...that dog don't hunt.

OpenID Jack Amok September 24, 2015 12:58 AM  

There is this player-style SJW that I see occasionally: they fake these women's issues things to mack on gals, and it sort of works, but I imagine they end up making creeper apologies like this a lot.


Yeah, that VOICE charity is a "rape crisis" center of some sort. Martin X says they're selling. Anyone wondering if McCreepy will be announcing a move to North Carolina in the near future? For a "business opportunity"?

Blogger Were-Puppy September 24, 2015 1:39 AM  

@46 Bill
The worst part about this is those morons actually passed up a legit chance to use "As many of you know, our coffee is as strong and hot as we are". And all the other usual sophomoric knee-slappers. Oh, and they should have offered free antibiotics.
---

Or even better, "At your request, we will provide a free box of condoms with every coffee served. Thanks for your interest."

Blogger SciVo September 24, 2015 1:41 AM  

@ Desiderius: "Interchangeable with Listen and Believe."

No, "Validate and affirm" is an impersonation of that. But SJWs eat their own (because they're never satisfied), so even the best impersonation won't save you from a swarm.

Blogger Forrest Bishop September 24, 2015 2:47 AM  

@55. Jack Amok

I imagine they end up making creeper apologies like this a lot.... Anyone wondering if McCreepy will be announcing a move to North Carolina in the near future? For a "business opportunity"?

Can you please be more specific? "[C]reeper apologies" by some/any SJW called McCreepy is simply too broad a spec. They're all McCreepy of clan McCreepy.

Blogger VD September 24, 2015 4:38 AM  

How would this have played out without an apology? Possibly worse depending on their overall life situation.

Your Gamma is showing again, Jay. Listen to the higher rankers. Don't listen to the fear of Mommy's disapproval.

Blogger Eraser September 24, 2015 4:55 AM  

I don't think they named any women. Note the complete lack of mention of defamation lawsuits. And it is a bit disturbing to see a business support agency act as morality police by pulling their loan, so probably SJWs are in control there, too.

By the way, @11 is brilliant. It deserves to be in the back cover of the next SJW book or something.

Blogger JAY WILL September 24, 2015 5:19 AM  

What ive said isn't unreasonable. Generally speaking people need to stand up to these lefty tactics but individual circumstances may mean a fake apology shuts the story down and u move on. Maybe this situation isnt an example of that though.

We dont have mommys over here its mum(mies) if your posh or mam if your a prole.

Blogger VD September 24, 2015 5:22 AM  

What ive said isn't unreasonable. Generally speaking people need to stand up to these lefty tactics but individual circumstances may mean a fake apology shuts the story down and u move on.

What you've said isn't unreasonable, but it is wrong, it is fear-based, and it is reflective of your lower socio-sexual rank. What part of NEVER APOLOGIZE do you find hard to understand?

As these two gentleman have learned, apologizing destroyed their business.

Blogger JAY WILL September 24, 2015 6:28 AM  

@62

It may well be fear based but fear can be rational. It all comes down to what works and what doesn't work and what your objective is, and what your enemies can reasonably achieve. Look at this guy in the Daily Mail -

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3247045/Channel-4-news-presenter-Matt-Frei-sparks-outrage-saying-Barack-Obama-smiles-like-watermelon.html

"A Channel 4 presenter has apologised after being accused of using a racial slur when he said Barack Obama was ‘smiling like a split watermelon’ during a meeting with the Pope."

By your thinking the guy should never apologize. What is the likely result of his apology? The story goes away, and he's a little more likely to watch his words. The speech police win, but he moves on. What if he doesn't apologize? The story is less likely to go away, the mob will grow and he will be retweeted constantly. Given how ridiculous its become its possible, due to the furore, that the Prime Minister steps in to show how much he loves black people and really isn't a racist in anyway. Eventually Channel 4 decide enough is enough and find some way to boot him out just to save face. Maybe he goes to court, he's not rich so if he loses it will wreck him. He makes a big stand for free speech, he's congratulated by non-PC people who then forget about him forever (zero tribe allegiance) as he walks off to a worse career, less money and less prospects than before. Thanks for your service comrade!

Now of course it might not pan out like that, and maybe he could leverage his not backing down into other career options in different media, but its completely reasonable to be fearful of what will happen to him if he doesn't apologize. The SJW mobs tactics are highly effective against people who's career, business model are not sufficiently SJW proof.

Cernovich and Roosh literally make money out of controversy, its beneficial to them to get into MSM as the horrible offensive people and both acknowledge that. They then can appeal to their base as tough stand up guys who don't back down. But this is the result of their model and their own abilities, not their anti-fragile nature.

Trump is a billionaire he can afford to not back down. A bog standard prole turned politician has probably got intelligence approved dirt on him, not enough money for big court battles and ultimately has to do what his sponsors tell him too. In that world his apology is a no brainer.

If you want to stand up against SJW's, and refusing to apologize is one way to do that, there is no guarantee that you won't suffer as a result. It depends on your situation and how SJW vulnerable you are.






OpenID basementhomebrewer September 24, 2015 7:04 AM  

@63 perhaps you should read Vox's book. Apologies never appease them. An apology is viewed as a confession which means that punishment can commence. It is too soon to see what will happen to the reporter in the story you cited but I predict they will be drummed out of that job.

SJWAL has many examples of the apology to the SJWs being to start of the downfall.

Blogger DadOfTen September 24, 2015 7:28 AM  

In all this talk of winning against SJWs, you have to live with what you become. "If you take the kings shilling, you become the kings man."

These almost neutered puppies used alpha-male tactics to become totally morals free one dimensional pictures of pornography with equally one dimensional women. Since they only wanted the thrill, but not the public reputation, the SJWs ate them alive. It isn't enough to know the anti-SJW tactics, you must embrace your own actions and life. When you become public you have to be satisfied now that the world knows whose shilling you have taken and who you have become.

If you take Larry Flynt's shilling, you become his man. If you take Christ's shilling, you become His man. Using VD's advice on handling SJWs only allows you to win if you are proud of whose man you have become.

Blogger CM September 24, 2015 7:37 AM  

What part of NEVER APOLOGIZE do you find hard to understand?

I'm gonna let my girl show... which from here is essentially gamma...

I thought the apology is admitting you did something wrong and you shouldn't take that position if you've done nothing wrong.

With the 3 classic examples (from the book), its clear to us they did nothing wrong... to them it may have been less clear especially after their respective shit storms.

These guys DID do something wrong... didn't they? And they don't feel sorry. This is an obsequious apology. Its almost mocking in its word choice. Its clear THEY don't think they did anything wrong (at least to me). I can see they lost frame (learning something!) And maybe I'm just caught up in their bad behavior which is tangential to this conversation.

Blogger pdwalker September 24, 2015 7:46 AM  

@63

What part of "never apologize" do you not understand?

Let's break it down:

You are faced with two choices
a) fake/real apology (doesn't matter which one)
b) don't apologize and stand your ground

Results?
if a, you will be ripped to shred, guaranteed
if b, you may or may not suffer further

It seems pretty obvious to me which of the two are better choices Chum.

Blogger Daniel September 24, 2015 7:55 AM  

No.

If they had raped and murdered women in a nursing home, they should not have apologized.

You simply don't follow the principle at work here.

And no, they did nothing wrong in ranking their conquests. We aren't talking about ladies and gentlemen here. Do you likewise expect Sturgis riders to apologize for public drunkeness despite biblical admonishions against it?

Blogger Steve, the Dark Ninja of Mockery September 24, 2015 7:55 AM  

CM - I'm puzzled as to what they did that's so shocking and wrong.

Had sex with women? Heterosexuality is still legal.

Talked about it on the internet? From what I've seen, their sex stories are no more ribald than the average young man's.

It's not as if they doxxed these women, or released revenge porn pics of them (AFAIK). You can find more salacious sex gossip in any issue of Cosmopolitan magazine.

Blogger FALPhil September 24, 2015 8:02 AM  

@23 Vox - I'd say you should mail them a book. Maybe they'll learn to stand up for themselves, not let their moms apologize for them, and,...ah, never mind. They're lost souls.

There is a market opportunity here as an SJW attack defense consultant.

Blogger CM September 24, 2015 8:03 AM  

Steve -

Legality isn't morality. And yes, those women were bimbos, being indiscrete with their sexual attentions, and unable to take responsibility for the sexual agency these feminists cry so hard for.

But morally, these boys are guilty of seduction.

Its a product of the current state of this world that we can't point to behavior like what these men & women did and say this is bad behavior. I'm not above slut shaming.

Blogger Steve, the Dark Ninja of Mockery September 24, 2015 8:04 AM  

Different situation, but Kelsey Grammer was clever in how he responded to his ex-wife trying to publicly shame him over his sexual adventures, including claiming that he liked wearing her undies:

‘Never been a cross-dresser but I have been very sexually adventurous. I’m not ashamed of anything I’ve done in the bedroom.’

And that was it. Done. Nothing for the media to sink their teeth into.

Blogger Cail Corishev September 24, 2015 8:05 AM  

Generally speaking people need to stand up to these lefty tactics but individual circumstances may mean a fake apology shuts the story down and u move on.

No. If the threat is mild enough that an apology will make it go away, "I don't care" will make it go away faster.

Besides, what kind of man do you want to be? The kind that gets away with things by groveling while other men are destroyed for the same actions, or the kind that stands up for himself?

You're looking for an excuse to stay fearful and avoid masculine responsibility. I understand that, but you have to work on it and grow up. Typing "you" instead of "u" would help.

Blogger CM September 24, 2015 8:07 AM  

@ Daniel -

And no, they did nothing wrong in ranking their conquests. We aren't talking about ladies and gentlemen here.

Hmm... I'll give that some thought.

I read Steve's comment first, but yours makes more sense in why they didn't do anything wrong, especially from the perspective of their accusers.

Blogger Steve, the Dark Ninja of Mockery September 24, 2015 8:09 AM  

CM - what's wrong with seduction? The women must've enjoyed it, or they wouldn't have given those chaps the time of day.

Blogger CM September 24, 2015 8:31 AM  

what's wrong with seduction? The women must've enjoyed it, or they wouldn't have given those chaps the time of day.

Maybe I'm arguing this from the wrong world view for you (or them), Steve.

The more I read here and the more I consider some of the OT laws and my own weaknesses, the less I believe women are even capable of sexual agency. We are too easily manipulated into sex.

But from the post-modern/millenial worldview, that's not true. We have sexual agency, so seducing a woman is just like convincing her to buy a vaccuum cleaner from a door to door salesman. Questionable, but not wrong.

In the first worldview, seduction is taking advantage and abuse (not physical or mental, but more like abusing free condiment packets at Wendy's). From that view, it is wrong... and where I was standing when I originally posted.

Blogger Bill September 24, 2015 8:31 AM  

Let's put it this way: Did Tucker Max ever apologize?

Blogger Josh September 24, 2015 8:39 AM  

The more I read here and the more I consider some of the OT laws and my own weaknesses, the less I believe women are even capable of sexual agency. We are too easily manipulated into sex.

Oh noes! The poor wimminz just fell onto his penis! Again!

OpenID basementhomebrewer September 24, 2015 8:39 AM  

@ 76 CM "The more I read here and the more I consider some of the OT laws and my own weaknesses, the less I believe women are even capable of sexual agency. We are too easily manipulated into sex".

Careful with this excuse. It is often used by Pedophiles in the middle east. " I was trying to be a good Muslim but that little boy used his seductive powers on me."

Blogger Josh September 24, 2015 8:41 AM  

In the first worldview, seduction is taking advantage and abuse (not physical or mental, but more like abusing free condiment packets at Wendy's). From that view, it is wrong... and where I was standing when I originally posted.

If it's not physical abuse or mental abuse, use another term.

Blogger Patrikbc September 24, 2015 8:44 AM  

Heading to Asheville for head!

Blogger Josh September 24, 2015 8:46 AM  

What CM is doing is reframing to absolve women of responsibility for their actions, in order to maintain the feminine imperative.

Blogger Martin X September 24, 2015 8:48 AM  

The saddest part to me is that these guys learned enough game to upgrade the number and quality of women they were attracting, but instead of using that knowledge to sift through the local women to find an attractive supportive wife to raise a family in their safe idyllic whitopia, they turned banging chicks into a hobby to service their huge egos and lost it all. The more I read about these guys, watch their groveling and listen to their archived podcasts, the less sympathy I have for them. Their red pill concerns never progressed beyond their dicks and so far their reaction to being discovered has done nothing but reinforce the SJW caricature of red-pillers as weak insecure con men who are legends in their own minds.

With the story now viral (hello USA Today) there is nowhere to run and hide anymore. If you are going to play this game I recommend you prepare your speech ahead of time and practice delivering it with confidence and a smile. These guys are truly without a country now. Google has tacked a scarlet letter to their names forever and they underlined it and signed it by rolling over and sobbing for forgiveness. If they had made a bold unapologetic statement in response to the situation they could have picked themselves up and carried on with some self-respect and even gained future allies. By folding to the sjw mob, they destroyed themselves.

Blogger Forrest Bishop September 24, 2015 8:59 AM  

@63. JAY WILL

Trump is a billionaire he can afford to not back down.

No. That's exactly backwards. Trump does not back down, and so he is a billionaire.

Blogger VFM 188 September 24, 2015 9:00 AM  

One word, a plural noun. Perfect, in its way, in its all-encompassing descriptive power:

Manginas.

Blogger 334 September 24, 2015 9:14 AM  

The grovelling is hideous. "We’re going to close for the next couple days so we can have some room for introspection." Urgh.

It's like a textbook on how to do the very opposite of the only thing that might work.

Blogger Forrest Bishop September 24, 2015 9:19 AM  

Trump does not back down, and so he is a billionaire.

He also knows how to signal that and how to brand. He didn't name any of his projects Cut-and-Run Plaza, or Tail-Between-Legs Casino Resort, or Yellow Belly Hotel, or Apologize to the Community for the Harm We’ve Caused Coffee Stand.

Who would you vote for? Which one would you, as a foreign country, crush under your boot?

1) President Validate and Affirm Your Frustration
2) President Trump

Blogger Athor Pel September 24, 2015 9:29 AM  

"71. Blogger CM September 24, 2015 8:03 AM
...
But morally, these boys are guilty of seduction.
..."



"...guilty of seduction."

snicker..

snort...
.
.
.

Sorry, can't hold it in any longer.

Bwahahahahaha!
Oh that's funny.

So women have no moral agency? Is that it? They are children?
Out of the mouths of babes indeed.

In any case, honey, seduction is not a sin. Adultery is a sin. Fornication is a sin. Seduction not a sin.

Blogger JAY WILL September 24, 2015 9:45 AM  

@73

"Besides, what kind of man do you want to be? The kind that gets away with things by groveling while other men are destroyed for the same actions, or the kind that stands up for himself?"

This wasn't my decision. I wouldn't have apologized. I'm arguing that in some cases it may be the optimal strategy for some people given their situation. I would have to see lots of examples of it and see how they played out.

I

Blogger bw September 24, 2015 9:49 AM  

"writhing in shame now"

No chance. They've achieved heaven and nirvana and the Ultimate Justification: victimhood.
Don't forget the Metric. There can be no Slut shaming when there are No Sluts.

Blogger JAY WILL September 24, 2015 9:50 AM  

@84

"No. That's exactly backwards. Trump does not back down, and so he is a billionaire."

Trump not backing down isn't why he's a billionaire. There are plenty of people who don't back down who don't have a pot to piss in. Witness any drunken bar fight where men will destroy their lives over "lack of respect" and refusing to back down.

Blogger Cataline Sergius September 24, 2015 9:54 AM  

Vox is correct. Apologizing to SJW feminists is one of the most pointless activities there is. It's up there with knitting mittens for snakes.

When they say I want an apology, what they mean is I want you to give me a stick to beat you with. .

Recent example here. I'm sure you'll be shocked to discover that this woman with the mop-top hair cut and ballbuster face, refused to accept the apology (that she had demanded) from the poor slob, whose crime against all womankind was that he had been stupid compliment her picture.

But these idiots should have known better. They are supposed to have something that resembles a concept of Game. Unless they are of course that most loathsome and hypocritical thing on Earth. The left wing PUA. If that is who they are then they deserve everything they get.

Blogger CM September 24, 2015 10:19 AM  

What CM is doing is reframing to absolve women of responsibility for their actions, in order to maintain the feminine imperative.

I'm actually not the originator of that argument.

I actually first heard it from an MRA-type and argued with him a long time on it. If it wan't ray, perhaps he knows who thought like that.

I'm not absolving women from responsibility but they should not be putting themselves in situations where they are so easily manipulated.

Recognize your weaknesses and defend against them, so to speak.

Blogger Daniel September 24, 2015 10:34 AM  

These guys could have hobbyfucked their way to a good wife eventually, if they wanted. I think hobbyfucking has its own problems, but making you less likely to attract a wife when you feel like it is not one of them.

Had they said, "Apology? Fuck you, buy our coffee," they would have been rolling in dough and marriage proposals instead of volunteering for the public stocks.

Blogger Daniel September 24, 2015 10:36 AM  

Those are awfully strange barfights you have been witness to, Jay Will.

Blogger JAY WILL September 24, 2015 10:52 AM  

Why strange? Fights can easily escalate into life changing situations over neither party "backing down".

Blogger Daniel September 24, 2015 10:55 AM  

Huh? Or the other 99.9% if the time they just end up as drinken fights. How many have you seen or been a part of that actually changed lives?

Blogger Daniel September 24, 2015 10:58 AM  

And no I am not hilariously drunk right now. Just an awful speller. 99.9% of the time, to be clear.

But I'll stick with "drinken" fights. That's good.

Blogger VFM 188 September 24, 2015 11:16 AM  

True case: A drunk guy sitting next to another drunk guy at a bar said "gimme a cigarette." The guy with the pack of cigarettes said "no". The guy who wanted a cigarette took the pack and took one anyway. The guy with the pack of cigarettes pulled out a gun, stuck it in the other guy's ear, and blew his brains out.

That's life-changing.

Blogger Dexter September 24, 2015 11:38 AM  

I wouldn't have apologized. I'm arguing that in some cases it may be the optimal strategy for some people given their situation. I would have to see lots of examples of it and see how they played out.

Can anyone cite a single example of an apology "working" against SJWs? That is, the person apologized and the problem went away?

Blogger Dexter September 24, 2015 11:39 AM  

"We’re going to close for the next couple days so we can have some room for introspection."

"introspection" = updating resumes, frantically scanning help wanted ads...

Blogger Dexter September 24, 2015 11:41 AM  

Generally speaking people need to stand up to these lefty tactics but individual circumstances may mean a fake apology shuts the story down and u move on.

Again... has that ever happened? Ever?

Blogger Gaiseric ! September 24, 2015 12:03 PM  

Fascinating to see this next to the Jaromir Jagr example. Jagr might as well read this blog; he quoted it nearly perfectly.

Blogger Gaiseric ! September 24, 2015 12:08 PM  

The more I read here and the more I consider some of the OT laws and my own weaknesses, the less I believe women are even capable of sexual agency. We are too easily manipulated into sex.

That's exactly the problem with women, isn't it? "It's not our fault! We can't help it! We can't be expected to be held responsible for our own actions and choices!"

Good heavens, nobody's expecting a woman to be a man (at least 'round here) but I do expect them to grow up, at least.

Blogger RobertT September 24, 2015 12:11 PM  

Never apologizing works great for me, with everyone but my granddaughters. Them I'm spoiling outrageously.

Blogger RobertT September 24, 2015 12:22 PM  

People who want your apology don't really want your apology.It's like a shit test, and if you apologize, they'll treat you like scum. People who apologize, tend to live a life of apologizing. Think of how many people precede half their comments with ... sorry. I knew a 10 one time that nobody treated like a ten because half her comments started with sorry. But everyone thought she was a really nice girl.

Blogger ScuzzaMan September 24, 2015 12:46 PM  

Gaiseric,

I dont see CM making the argument she's being accused of. Pointing out that a man is guilty of a sin of adultery (or a sexual indiscretion, if you prefer that terminology) doesn't mean the woman involved isn't also guilty.

It simply doesn't mean that.

But the point being made was about the men, just as the OP is about the men.

Blogger Daniel September 24, 2015 12:47 PM  

Jagr, yes. That is perfect.

Blogger Daniel September 24, 2015 12:50 PM  

The point is these guys aren't Christian, and faked a pseudoChristian apology to a secular audience in an attempted struggle session that predictably backfired.

Their crimes, real or imagined, are irrelevant.

Blogger Forrest Bishop September 24, 2015 12:55 PM  

@99. VFM 188

True case: A drunk guy sitting next to another drunk guy at a bar...

Ok, so two mentally-incapacitated men had a row that ended badly. That provides a rule for living: don't become mentally-incapacitated on alcohol in a bar. It does not provide a rule on apologizing to SJWs.

Blogger Patrick Kelly September 24, 2015 1:04 PM  

@59 VD: "Don't listen to the fear of Mommy's disapproval."

First step in leaving gamma-dom. If you can't get past this one, you can't move on to the next.

Wish I learned this 30 years ago. This shit can ruin your life.

Blogger Patrick Kelly September 24, 2015 1:05 PM  

And on cue the gamma's are hypnotized by the spinning hamster wheels....

Blogger Patrick Kelly September 24, 2015 1:08 PM  

@65 DOT: "These almost neutered puppies used alpha-male tactics"

Exactly. They were gammas posing as alpha, but their ballz deflated back to default size.

Blogger Gaiseric ! September 24, 2015 1:53 PM  

@107: Of course it doesn't. That's why I quoted the part that I was directly responding to, where she claimed that women aren't capable of sexual agency because they're too easily manipulated.

While that's not necessarily untrue... it should be untrue. I certainly have higher expectations of my wife and daughter and the other women in my life.

Blogger Giraffe September 24, 2015 2:19 PM  

That's life-changing.

Not how I'd choose to quit smoking, but effective.

Blogger mistaben September 24, 2015 2:45 PM  

@107 ScuzzaMan your lustrous white armor is showing.

OpenID corvinus333 September 24, 2015 3:51 PM  

Exactly. They were gammas posing as alpha, but their ballz deflated back to default size.

@113 Patrick Kelly
I suspect they're Deltas. Asheville is probably filled to the rafters with Gammas, based upon how much of a countercultural town it's repeatedly described as. (No, I've never been there, but I've certainly been to and lived in towns like it.) And with so many Gammas around, Deltas would look like Betas by comparison in the local girls' eyes.

Blogger Cail Corishev September 24, 2015 4:26 PM  

I would have to see lots of examples of it and see how they played out.

No, you really don't. But as long as you think that, then if you ever find yourself in a tough spot, you'll be able to convince yourself that this is one of those times when wimping out is just good strategy. You're being smart and crafty, not cowardly!

Let us know how that works out for you.

Blogger Danby September 24, 2015 5:30 PM  

The question is, Who are they supposed to apologize to?
The individual women involved? Were they harmed in any way they did not wish to be harmed. They weren't raped. They presumably enjoyed the interaction.
An apology to them (probably) doesn't require a press release.

Anyone else? No, just no. None of your fucking business.

No

Blogger Daniel September 24, 2015 5:35 PM  

Shooting a guy in the head is not a bar fight, but that is a funny story. Hope the thief is feeling better now.

Blogger Joe A. September 24, 2015 6:50 PM  

Damnit, you two. You had nothing to apologize for whatsoever.

Blogger Jim Milo September 24, 2015 8:56 PM  

We’re going to donate all our business profits through the end of the year to Our Voice.

So this means they intended to close anyway. Like how The Ada Initiative shut down just as people were examining their records.

Blogger VFM 188 September 25, 2015 9:16 AM  

Shooting a guy in the head is not a bar fight.

Yes it is. Come on, man: The other guy stole a cigarette!

Blogger B.J. September 25, 2015 3:54 PM  

Wasn't there a college girl a few years back who put together a power point presentation of all her hookups over the course of a year, including numerical ratings and graphic descriptions of the men's genitals? Was she shamed and attacked for her actions, or was she praised for being strong and empowered?

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