Vox Popoli: I stand with Ann

Apparently someone is getting very worried about Ann Coulter drawing attention to the fact that too many of the Republican politicians appear to care more about Jews and Israel than they do about Americans and the United States. It's even in the British media, of all places:

If you haven’t ever heard of Ann Coulter, you might want to count your blessings and stop reading now. For the more thick-skinned out there, Coulter is essentially the Katie Hopkins of America. Just like angry, mean Hopkins, Coulter seems to be on a personal crusade to become the most hated woman in her country - and by the looks of things, she’s succeeding.

This week, she was labelled anti-Semitic and sent social media into meltdown.

During a Twitter rant about Republican candidates trying to pander to Jewish voters by focusing on the topic of Israel, she asked ‘how many f***ing Jews do these people think there are in the United States?’

    Good grief! Huckabee is running for PM of Israel.
    — Ann Coulter (@AnnCoulter) September 17, 2015

    Rubio running to be curator of the Reagan Museum.
    — Ann Coulter (@AnnCoulter) September 17, 2015

    Cruz, Huckabee Rubio all mentioned ISRAEL in their response to: "What will AMERICA look like after you are president."
    — Ann Coulter (@AnnCoulter) September 17, 2015

    How many f---ing Jews do these people think there are in the United States?
    — Ann Coulter (@AnnCoulter) September 17, 2015

It’s clearly offensive. But in keeping with her Conservative beliefs, Coulter hasn’t let herself get too carried away: she’s starred out the f-word.

Her comments haven’t just been criticised for their racist undertones – they’ve also been pulled apart for their ignorance.

US political hopefuls might be turning their attentions on Israel, but that doesn't necessarily have anything to do with Jews. Many Jewish people living in the West don't have close ties to Israel, while many non-Jewish Americans care about what’s happening to one of their country’s top allies.

What’s worrying is that not everyone on Twitter gets this. Instead Coulter’s ‘effing Jews’ post has had more than 1,500 retweets and sparked the hashtag #IStandWithAnn.

Right. We're supposed to believe that all the Republican talk about Israel has nothing at all to do with the Jews in America. Isn't it convenient how Israel=Jews whenever it suits the media to call someone anti-semitic, but Israel "doesn't necessarily have anything to do with Jews" whenever it suits the media... to call someone anti-semitic.

The reason Ann's remarks are resonating is that a large majority of Americans don't give a flying fuck about what apparently is the primary concern of about one in fifty people presently living in America. And the fact that so many presidential candidates care more about what concerns one in fifty Americans than what concerns the other forty-nine is indicative of a serious problem.

You don't have to hate Israel or Jews, you don't even have to mildly dislike them, to not want your own political leaders to be observably more concerned about their interests than yours. And if Republicans don't like observers criticizing them for always talking about Israel, perhaps they should talk about something of considerably more concern to most Americans, such as the massive immigrant invasion.

Labels: politics, Zion

258 Comments:

somercet September 17, 2015 9:27 PM: Are we annoyed at most of the Republican field because they are chauvinists for Israel, or because they are clearly posturing and chasing down the hugely Democratic Jewish vote, armed with the fake denial of Cardin-Corker? In other words, do they have a coherent political point, or are they just white knighting Israel?
Arthur Isaac September 17, 2015 9:42 PM: I wonder who besides SJW's gets their panties in a wad when ISIS and Taliban annihilate antiquities? Sounds like the kind of behavior that could be torn from the pages of Judges or Chronicles. You want to trash idols and tear down "sacred" buildings? Be my guest, my God doesn't dwell in a temple made with man's hands.

Also on that note. What do my fellow believers think will happen if when the Jews ever reintroduce the Temple sacrifice that God will think of it? After sending His son to die and bleed on the Cross. Bleed for our salvation and to assuage God's righteous anger. What will He think of the blood of bulls and goats after this? My math says it won't be pretty. You don't need to sacrifice a pig to cause desecration, a "spotless" lamb will do just fine.
Arthur Isaac September 17, 2015 9:44 PM: @pbuxton, they don't care about the Jewish vote. They are hip deep in pandering to Churchian dispensationalists.
CM September 17, 2015 9:52 PM: I wonder who besides SJW's gets their panties in a wad when ISIS and Taliban annihilate antiquities?

/Raise Hand

I love history. I was quite upset to learn the Alexandrian Library burned to the ground. I'm glad the Catholic church preserved what they did.

It isn't idol worship to appreciate and put value on antiquities. It is idol worship if it goes before God.

I can be upset about the destruction of antiquities I have dreamed of seeing since I was a child without putting them before God.
Thucydides September 17, 2015 9:56 PM: One of the reasons to be active in supporting Israel is the fact that it is the most "western" nation in the region, in terms of their society, institutions and relationships with the West.

While this isn't to say that there should be an inordinate amount of attention paid to Israel, there is also the question of where exactly you want your limited resources to go. Neighbouring nations like Lebanon certainly "could" use attention, but are even deeper sinkholes for American and Western interests.
The other robot September 17, 2015 10:25 PM: And now Carly Fiorina, Destroyer of Companies, is the last great hope against Trump.
Matthew September 17, 2015 10:36 PM: Yes. All we can do is create users. We cannot fiddle with the contents..

This is THE ONE time I am pleased that Blogger is such trash.
YIH September 17, 2015 11:13 PM: Some more Coulter twits:
Ann Coulter:
Perhaps you forgot the worst president for Israel would never have been elected w/o post-1970 immigration.
[guessing she means 0bama]
CUFI:
Perhaps @AnnCoulter you forgot the US-Israel relationship is both a moral and strategic imperative #IDONOTStandWithAnn
[For whom? Zuckerberg? Howard Stern? Janet Yellen? Haim Saban? Sheldon Adelson? Bob Iger?]
Ann Coulter: No: It's pro-Semitic. Where is all the GOP pandering on Israel getting us? US becoming Mexico very bad for Israel.
Sarah Newman:
Thanks @anncoulter for your anti-semitic comments--further confirmation of you and your supporters bigoted beliefs.
[projecting much Newman]
Her twits are hardly 14/88 gas the kikes, race war now! Heil Hitler! but that's not how the jewsual suspects see it, eh?
Godfrey September 17, 2015 11:24 PM: The new temple is Christ and His Church.
Discard September 17, 2015 11:54 PM: The GOPers don't spew their Israel First crap to get Jewish votes. They don't do it because their big Jewish contributors believe they care about israel. They do it in order to convince the GOP masses that Israel matters more than their own future. As long as they deceive the masses on this question, the big Jewish moneymen will let them run for office.
Discard September 17, 2015 11:58 PM: Alert: the link at 208. YIH, "14/88 gas the Kikes etc" is tainted. I clicked it, went to Encyclopedia Dramatica, and one of the links there carries a virus.
Mr. Naron September 18, 2015 12:03 AM: I'm a pre-trib dispo and I think the best way to bless Israel is to let them off the chain. It's a big deal to me that we don't join the Islamic world against Israel, which is where Obama seems to be heading. But I don't think we should be telling them what to do or giving them money.

So, I stand near Ann. Her cheerleading for the man who killed the USFL keeps me from standing with her. I loved spring football like a new puppy, and he killed it. Melon farming mackerel fisher.
Whitey McWhite September 18, 2015 12:16 AM: 194. George of the Jungle: "(Pick one answer)
Therefore the main conclusion is ___ ?
A. All non-Jewish Americans and politicians must support Israel unconditionally. Brand anyone who doesn't as a Nazi.
B. American foreign policy should support Israel only where it coincides with the best interests of America, and no further."

208. YIH: "Her twits are hardly 14/88 gas the kikes, race war now! Heil Hitler! but that's not how the jewsual suspects see it, eh?"

Question answered.
The Original Hermit September 18, 2015 12:24 AM: @Discard
Reminds me of Vaclav's greengrocer illuminated here at John C wright's site. Regardless of how they really feel, they have to publicly proclaim where they (supposedly ) stand.
Whitey McWhite September 18, 2015 12:30 AM: 205. Thucydides: "One of the reasons to be active in supporting Israel is the fact that it is the most "western" nation in the region, in terms of their society, institutions and relationships with the West."

Not really. Israel has a parasitic relationship with America, and that's not typically Western, it's typically Jewish.

Also, the parasite is harming the host: converting our ruling class to a collective that cares about what's good for the Jews but not what's good for the whites is harmful to us. It's especially harmful because organized Jewry wants all majority white countries diversified, and that is what our politicians are doing, contrary to our interests and preferences.

Let Arabs be Arabs, as long as it's over there. We'd be fine if we had no immigration -- and organized Jewry supports the mass immigration.

We shouldn't be fostering destruction in that part of the world. If not for Jewish influence, we wouldn't be.

We should have bought Colonel Gaddafi's oil, and not killed him and smashed his country, thus opening up the black road to Europe.

If we returned our attention to our own countries, repelling non-white incursions and bolstering white identity and interests, that would be best for us. But organized Jewry opposes that agenda very effectively.
Desiderius September 18, 2015 12:47 AM: Cail,

"a self-congratulatory circle-jerk"

That's corporate culture in a nutshell. It's the water in which the current political class swims.
George of the Jungle September 18, 2015 12:52 AM: I wonder what the US position will be if the muslim hordes descend on Jordan. It's been a stable country for decades, and hasn't been too much trouble in the region to Western interests.

Oh well, whatever the US does, it will probably be wrong.
Desiderius September 18, 2015 12:54 AM: Of all that they've lost in forsaking God, the obligation to become regularly aware of one's faults gained through the discipline of consistent confession may be the most valuable.

It is surely sorely missed by those subject to their misrule.
Whitey McWhite September 18, 2015 1:03 AM: 122. Retrenched: "What I don't get is why Jews want to diversify all the white majority countries. Do they really think a Hispanic majority America, let alone an Arab-majority Europe, is going to give a damn about protecting Israel?"

Philosemitic whites think Jews couldn't, wouldn't, or shouldn't diversify whites out of existence. Their argument is: look at all we do for them! America is the most philosemitic white society that has ever existed! What could Jews hope to replace us with that could top that?

This is like a torch singer singing: "you'll never find another fool like me!" But the man she is singing to disagrees, and he won't be back.

The Elders of Wye have thought about what's next, and they have an answer: China! Whether we agree with that answer or not is irrelevant.

It's funny, if you forget how tragic it is for us and just look at it objectively.
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Unknown September 18, 2015 1:48 AM: @napari: "Many Christian folks in the USA have a direct link and are very protective of the Holy land, Israel."
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Most people in America are not aware of this, but the indigenous Christians of the Holy Land, the descendants of the original Christian communities there, are on the Palestinian side. American evangelicals have a "hard on" for Israel. It has something to do with "end of times" coming or something like that.

See: "Forgotten Christians"
http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/forgotten-christians/
Unknown September 18, 2015 1:56 AM: 55. A Visitor - "I don't hate Jews or Israel. I just want candidates to actually put America's interests first. Is that too mcuh to ask?"
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Because the logical answer to that question is that our support of Israel is what has caused a big bull's eye to be painted on the American back. Imagine the tranquility over the last 65 years if not for our support for Israel.

And if I'm not mistaken, we initially did not support Israel. It was only after the Brits washed their hands of the place that we took over in order to keep peace. Someone can correct me if this is wrong.
ray September 18, 2015 2:27 AM: Ann Coulter -- like a lot of pseudo-conservative influences in America and Europe -- appears obsessed with The Joos. It shows that mass neo-fascism isn't restricted to the Left.

Spiritual people, the people of God, recognize via Scripture that Jerusalem and Israel (both spiritual and territorial) are at the heart of world events, and behave accordingly.

People who are Christmas and Easter Christians, otoh, pay attention to what Ann Coulter says.
Unknown September 18, 2015 2:37 AM: 80. patrick kelly - I want the US to stop speaking about it, gtfout, and quit fin it up causing mass murder and displacement of my middle eastern Christian brethren. If they are not willing to go in and clean up the steaming pile of shit they dumped over there, then get out the way and a real Christian nation, Russia, with a real leader with big ballz, Putin, do it.

Doesn't it really urinate you off to know that all these years we've been lied to that Palestinian = Muslim and Jewish = Christian? Who knew the Christians were on the Palestinian side. I am Greek Orthodox and I never would have known if not for the internet.

Likewise when it comes to Russian involvement in the Middle East. We were told it had to do with them playing Cold War games and poking America in the eye. Who knew that they were the protectors of Christians in the Ottoman Empire and this is where these relationships got started?

Doesn't it make you mad to have been fed these lies all these years?

160. - Danby Is there any doubt that under Islamic rule all Christian and Jewish holy sites would be razed forever?

The Muslims accept Jesus as a prophet and venerate Mary. They even accept that she was a virgin and hold her in very high regard. The ISIS/ISIL people you see generally have some screws loose. They don't represent the typical Muslim at least when it comes to how things are in the holy land.

I'm not crazy about the Muzzies, but lets face it. Our government has been lying to us all these years!
Unknown September 18, 2015 2:40 AM: @Marissa - "Realize also this is the woman who got away with 'Jews are unfinished Christians'"

Marissa, although she misworded things a bit, Ann didn't really say anything wrong. See the following:

The term Jew is used in at least two senses in Scripture: to refer to those who are ethnically Jews and to those who are religiously Jews. Jesus was a Jew in both senses. In fact, he completed the Jewish religion by serving as the Messiah (Christ) whom the prophets had long foretold.

The completed form of the Jewish religion is known as Christianity, and its adherents are Christians or "followers of the Christ." Many people who were ethnically Jewish did not recognize Jesus role as Messiah and so did not accept Christianity, the completed form of Judaism. Instead, they stayed with a partial, incomplete form of Judaism. Other Jews (the apostles and their followers) did recognize that Jesus was the Messiah and embraced the new, completed form of Judaism. ...

Christians are those who Paul refers to as being inwardly (religiously) Jewish, while non-Christian Jews are those who he refers to as being outwardly (ethnically) Jewish. The former condition, he stresses, is the more important.

See:

http://www.catholic.com/quickquestions/if-jesus-was-a-jew-why-are-we-catholic
Discard September 18, 2015 2:45 AM: 221. Nick Tempo: After the Six Day War in 1967, the French had a fit and decided that the Arabs were a better long term strategic ally. Israel had been using French jets and a variety of other French-supplied equipment. The French cut them off, and the U.S. became their primary supplier of weapons.

During and after the war, the Israelis got incredibly good David and Goliath press, books were published within a month celebrating their victory, you'd have thought that WE had won a war. In particular I remember a lot of photos of Israelis in American WW2 armor that they got from the French, halftracks and Sherman tanks. They sure are good at propaganda, and they used the war to make themselves over as America's military sweethearts.
Whitey McWhite September 18, 2015 3:50 AM: 222. ray: "Ann Coulter -- like a lot of pseudo-conservative influences in America and Europe -- appears obsessed with The Joos."

Actually she's obsessed with the Americans. She's for them. It's called patriotism.

222. ray: "It shows that mass neo-fascism isn't restricted to the Left."

There is zero evidence that Ann Coulter is a fascist, neo or otherwise.

222. ray: "Spiritual people, the people of God, recognize via Scripture that Jerusalem and Israel (both spiritual and territorial) are at the heart of world events, and behave accordingly."

So they're obsessed with The Joos -- only it's good in your sight.

222. ray: "People who are Christmas and Easter Christians, otoh, pay attention to what Ann Coulter says."

This is ridiculous, but it would be for your fellow Christians to take you to task over it.
Whitey McWhite September 18, 2015 4:15 AM: Imagine that all the candidates, when asked how they see the future of America, had started talking about what's good for Australia.

If you think Ann Coulter would have thought that was objectionable, then you probably agree that in her view the issue was that they ought to have talked about their own country and hers: America.

If you think Ann Coulter would have been fine with the candidates focusing on Australia, or any other country provided it was not Jewish, then it's consistent to say: her issue is hostility to the Jews.

I think it would have been ridiculous if the candidates had talked about Australia. (Even though we have been a much better ally than Israel.) I think Ann Coulter and practically every pundit would have mocked that.

But that's because we don't dominate American political, cultural, legal and economic life. We are not aggressive. We don't harm you. Nobody is afraid of us.

With Jews, it's the opposite. People are afraid, and for good reason. Your career can be over instantly. So the pundits who would have mocked the candidates focusing on a foreign nation if it had not been Israel were silent -- except for Ann Coulter.

It was the silent pundits who showed that they were Jew-centric, in contrast to Ann Coulter who was America-centric.
zen0 September 18, 2015 5:42 AM: @224 Nick Tempo

The Muslims accept Jesus as a prophet and venerate Mary. They even accept that she was a virgin and hold her in very high regard. The ISIS/ISIL people you see generally have some screws loose. They don't represent the typical Muslim at least when it comes to how things are in the holy land.

Muslims believe that Jesus was not crucified. It was the plan of Jesus’ enemies to crucify him, but God saved him and raised him up to Him. And the likeness of Jesus was put over another man. Jesus’ enemies took this man and crucified him, thinking that he was Jesus. God has said:

...They said, “We killed the Messiah Jesus, son of Mary, the messenger of God.” They did not kill him, nor did they crucify him, but the likeness of him was put on another man (and they killed that man)... (Quran, 4:157)

If this is what they believe, they do not believe the central teaching of Christianity, so their view is quite irrelevant.

Post occupation interviews by the allies of Germans indicated that only about 10% were committed Nazis, and yet they took over the whole society, so the fact that militants are not all of Islam is of no consequence.
Samuel Scott September 18, 2015 7:02 AM: Ask a pro Israel republican what exactly Isreal does for us as rtheir end of the alliance and you'll get a bunch of rambling about Isreal being the only democracy in the mideast and God's people.

What does the US get from Israel?
https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/2012-11-07/friends-benefits
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/4466/us-israel-alliance

Many of the tech (and other) items you use today were invented directly or indirectly in Israel (often with R&D grants and loans from the US):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Israeli_inventions_and_discoveries

That's just from a quick Google search.

The current mayor of Chicago volunteered to assist Israel during Desert Storm instead of the country of his birth.

Saddam Hussein posed a much greater threat to Israel in the early 1990s than he ever did to the US. How many Iraqi rockets hit major US cities compared to Israeli ones at that time?

I think the pro-American Jews have boiled off through intermarriage or abandoning religion. The remaining Jews in the political/ media leadership tend to be the more anti-Christian, anti-gentile because America is very philosemitic.

Most American Jews won't talk about this publicly, but Israel is a very divisive issue in the community. Roughly half of American Jews love Israel, and roughly half are either conflicted towards Israel or downright hostile largely because they are left-wing, and one must be anti-Israel if one is left-wing today.

Rabbis even debate during the High Holidays whether to talk about Israel in their sermons. They want to get people to pray for and be sympathetic towards Israel, but whenever they do, some people will get up and walk out.

They aren't pandering to Jews, they're pandering to the John Hagee wing of Churchianity nuttery.

Yes. Objectively speaking, the whole issue says more about the extent to which pro-Israel Christians have control over the Republican Party (for better or worse). The vast majority of American Jews vote for Democrats.

"What's good for Israel" turns out to be very bad for Christians. In Iraq, in the Lebanon, and anywhere America gets involved, Christians get crushed.

You should point your finger at the Arabs and Muslims in those countries. In just one example, go look at how many Christians live in Arab countries today compared to a few decades ago -- and then go research why. Hint: As Islam has become more extreme, Muslims have increased persecution of Christians (Arab and otherwise).
SouthRon September 18, 2015 7:12 AM: Trump doesn't have to mention Israel or the Jews.

I realized this morning, being a billionaire he's already run the gauntlet and survived. He's met the ones with temporal power that would scare the crap out of most people and is still breathing.

He and they both know how to work with each other or at least not piss off each other. So he can afford to sit back and smile when the rest parade our their pro-Israel cred beating each other over the head to prove who best supports G-d's Chosen People.

He's got them all trumped and has an inside track none of them understand.

Trump's got one thing right. He can deal with Russia, and Israel, and China. He knows it and they know it.
Samuel Scott September 18, 2015 7:22 AM: Israel is responsible for 9/11 as well - they needed to leverage American militaries for their own personal wars in the Middle East.

I can't believe I'm responding to this BS.

In the early 200s, if I recall correctly, Israel was still in southern Lebanon and dealing with the Palestinian suicide bombers of the second intifada. Yes, I'm sure glad that Israel got the US to invade Lebanon and the Palestinian territories.

The Jews have been expelled 109 times throughout history. Is everyone else the problem or are the Jews the problem? I rest my case.

It's just the fact that guests are not welcome after three days (the number can be taken literally or metaphorically).

"Israel" is now the church. It is not a geographic location.

My passport and national ID card would like a word.

Likewise when it comes to Russian involvement in the Middle East. We were told it had to do with them playing Cold War games and poking America in the eye. Who knew that they were the protectors of Christians in the Ottoman Empire and this is where these relationships got started?

Yes, Middle East history is fascinating. One thing people might not know because the western media tend to lump all terrorist movements together. Fatah is officially secular and socialist while Hamas is Islamist and theocratic. It's a big difference, and it's why the Palestinian people have never been able to have a unitary government.

And just a final note to those who think Israel is some controlling puppet master. Do you know who really wins from the U.S. aid -- mainly in the form of loans, not grants -- to Israel? U.S. weapons manufactures. Israel's got to buy its arms from somewhere. Follow the money.

No, it's not some Jewish global conspiracy.
Desdichado September 18, 2015 8:24 AM: And just a final note to those who think Israel is some controlling puppet master. Do you know who really wins from the U.S. aid -- mainly in the form of loans, not grants -- to Israel? U.S. weapons manufactures. Israel's got to buy its arms from somewhere. Follow the money.

Indeed. It's crony capitalism and mercantilism, going back to Alexander Hamilton, the Whigs, Abraham Lincoln, etc, that screw the average American time over time over time. It's always the same story.

The American Experiment was a worthy goal, but due to human nature, it was flawed almost from the get-go.
Tiny Bunch September 18, 2015 9:15 AM: I don't see this about the Jews much at all. More like a commentary on how much air we spend on the 4pct of the population that is gay, the smaller number of trans, the 12pct that says they are feminist and the smaller number of SJW.
Anonymous September 18, 2015 9:55 AM: "Israel" is now the church. It is not a geographic location.

Recommended reading.
Paradox September 18, 2015 11:45 AM: @234

Yes, read the Bible.
Quartermaster September 18, 2015 11:52 AM: @16
It will come to that. Particularly if the dispensational position is correct and the Church is removed.

@20
National Review already defenestrated here. She doesn’t need Fox either.

@37 & @39
37. Jesus Christ.
39. The Abrahamic Covenant of which the church is heir.

@31
What you are calling “right wing Jews” aren’t actually right wing. Actual right wing Jews don’t have a problem with Evangelicals and they do have a problem with your so called right wing Jews. Neocons and the donor class have always been leftists.

@52
Right on!

@70
I’ve seen the claim about bad exegesis repeatedly. I’ve seen no support beyond clownish efforts to show that scripture is not dispensational in itself. A Kingdom which Christ will rule was promised and is coming. That kingdom is referenced in Revelation.

@97
What is happening in America today is a result of America forgetting God, not Israel.

@107
Islam is not Abrahamic no matter the claims made by Muslims.

@121
Many scholars believe Peter was writing from the actual Babylon. At the time, the largest concentration of Jews outside of Judea were in the region of Babylon.

@123
Far too thin for my taste.

@133
Apple has always been infested with SJWs.

@158
The nation of Israel will be restored to its position vis a vis God. However, Paul said that not everyone of Israel is Israel. Kinda similar to the parable of the wheat and tares in thrust.

@160
The behavior of ISIS and Taliban are pretty much dispositive. The Salafist attitude towards things is similar to the guy who ordered the Library of Alexandria burned.

@169
There is every reason for dispensationalists to stand with Ann.

@173
Not enough jacks, but I bet they have sufficient explosives.

@195
Cuckservatives are SJWs.

@198
The Church is not, and never will be, Israel. The nation of Israel has only been set aside for a time and will be restored to its position in the future. Israel has a destiny separate from the church in the coming Kingdom.

@199
Godfrey’s type read the Bible in their own way and tend to allegorize it. You can see the same nonsense in Origen and Augustine which caused them to arrive at some strange conclusions that are completely insupportable.

@201
Good question. I think it’s white knighting and they think it will get them the Evangelical vote. They know they’ll never get the Jewish vote as it is overwhelmingly of the hard left. That includes much of the donor class.

@202
When the temple is rebuilt and the sacrificial system is reinstated, it will buy Israel nothing. During the millennial Kingdom there will be animal sacrifice, but as a memorial of what Christ did on the cross. It will have no salvific value.

@221
Years ago in an interview, A “Palestinian” Christian Bishop said specifically he was Palestinian first and Christian second. Arabs were much less radicalized in the early 80s when I saw that. If Moslems were to take over now, the Church would look back on Ottoman days as the “good old days.”

@223
That’s a pretty weak attempt to disqualify. Fascism doesn’t mean what you think it does.

@224
Isa is accepted in a way that is not acceptable to anyone else, and most certainly not a Christian. USFedGov has been lying for a long time about a lot of stuff. However, Muslim radicals have a lot to say on what happens in the Umma and it pays to watch them as they are ascendant.

@223
The term Jew when used in scripture refers primarily to the religious leaders. Hebrew is the ethnic term.

@234
Rabbi, that may be over their head.
Anonymous September 18, 2015 11:56 AM: @236 Quartermaster

Rabbi, that may be over their head.

Yes, I was looking for "Hermeneutics for Dummies", but that was the best I could come up with.
Paradox September 18, 2015 12:01 PM: @234

Broken link, corrected link
paradox September 18, 2015 12:05 PM: I give up, can't get a link to work.
Anonymous September 18, 2015 12:08 PM: @240 Paradox

Broken link . . . I give up, can't get a link to work.

Heh . . . not just the link that's broken. :)
Dave W. September 18, 2015 1:20 PM: Looks like Ann knows to hit back instead of apologize:

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/ann-coulter-calls-fury-jewish-824476
Arthur Isaac September 18, 2015 1:51 PM: My suspicion based in part on the strategies used against the Karaite Jew's is that where you see the increasing persecution of a Christian by either a Muslim or a Communist (or a Roman) that there is a Jew in the woodpile.
Arthur Isaac September 18, 2015 1:56 PM: Or maybe better stated a "Synagogue of Satan" in the neighborhood.
Marissa September 18, 2015 2:03 PM: Ann Coulter -- like a lot of pseudo-conservative influences in America and Europe -- appears obsessed with The Joos. It shows that mass neo-fascism isn't restricted to the Left.

Spiritual people, the people of God, recognize via Scripture that Jerusalem and Israel (both spiritual and territorial) are at the heart of world events, and behave accordingly.

People who are Christmas and Easter Christians, otoh, pay attention to what Ann Coulter says.

Martin Luther, the Chreaster.

Marissa, although she misworded things a bit, Ann didn't really say anything wrong.

I completely agree.

The Muslims accept Jesus as a prophet and venerate Mary. They even accept that she was a virgin and hold her in very high regard. The ISIS/ISIL people you see generally have some screws loose. They don't represent the typical Muslim at least when it comes to how things are in the holy land.

I'm not crazy about the Muzzies, but lets face it. Our government has been lying to us all these years!

The Muslims have long been the enemy of Christian Europe and have perfidiously worked with the Jews to undermine it in the past. I give them no quarter and can't imagine how many of my ancestors died defending their lands against these miserable pests.
Whitey McWhite September 18, 2015 2:58 PM: 242. Dave W. (#0257): "Looks like Ann knows to hit back instead of apologize..."

That was a good, bold response.

She's entitled to take those positions. Like Vox Day, or even more so, she is firmly pro-Israel.
ray September 18, 2015 3:23 PM: Quartermaster --

You pretend much knowledge of Judaism, but you don't even know your own. Nor what, nor who, protects you.

You are about to find out however. We'll see how yappy and wise you are then.
ray September 18, 2015 3:25 PM: Y'all stand with Ann, eh? You will get her good and hard then. Including the Judaism Experts and the 'rabbis'.
BunE22 September 18, 2015 3:49 PM: @223

"People who are Christmas and Easter Christians, otoh, pay attention to what Ann Coulter says."

Is that like the Hugo TruFen? If you don't go to church every day and twice on Sunday you're not TruFen of Christ?
334 September 18, 2015 6:44 PM: @241.

Rabbi, may I take it that you and I agree that the promises to Israel in the Old Testament will be literally fulfilled?

(Caveat, for all the supersessionists and amillennialists in the woodwork: This DOES NOT MEAN that I support everything Israel does, or that I think Canada or America would be sensible to put national Israel's interests above their own.)
Anonymous September 18, 2015 8:48 PM: @250 334

I think it would be a pretty safe bet to say that we are agreed.

The idea that G-d has rejected and forsaken Israel, replacing her with the Church, is simply not defensible.

Romans 11 gives a clear warning and reminder to the non-Jews that they too are recipients of G-d's mercies and are exhorted against becoming arrogant and boasting against the branches that can easily be grafted back into their own vine.

The non-Jews were grafted in contrary to nature on account of G-d's illimitable mercies. If our rejection of the Messiah had meant riches for the world, what will our acceptance mean? Life from the dead!

If G-d is done with the Jews because their unbelief and disobedience, how much hope would their be for any of us?

In that spirit, I often remind people that I am not a converted Jew, but a converted sinner.

Therefore, I am not ashamed if the good news, for it is most certainly the power of G-d for the salvation of everyone who believes, first for the Jew and equally to the non-Jew.
delta co red dogs September 18, 2015 9:15 PM: This is all explained for Christians in First and Second Chronicles; modern times are merely details filling out the substance of already written Biblical history. In my opinion, for those who are not yet Christian, the Letter to the Hebrews is the best source, with the Letter to the the Church at Philippi a close second (Hebrews for those who prefer reflecting on past glory, the Letter to the Church at Philippi for those whose heart is in the present day and in the future). These are end times for many of us, and declining to listen to the Word of the Lord is not an option for those of us who are not fools. ALL TIMES ARE BAD TIMES TO BE WHAT IS CALLED IN THE BIBLE A FOOL, BUT THE END TIMES ARE THE WORST TIMES TO PLAY THE FOOL.
334 September 18, 2015 9:17 PM: @251. Rabbi B

What confirms it for me, much more than any Dispensational system I've read about, is multiple readings of the Major and Minor Prophets, which I think are much neglected today. This time through, I started noting every promise of a return or restoration, not just of "Israel" generically, but of "Jacob", "Judah", "Ephraim", etc. It's truly staggering. You could fill pages and pages. It is the consistent, ringing theme of the entire prophetic word of God.

Then there's the Millennial Temple. Don't get me started. I'd love to hear a supersessionist allegorize those chapters of Ezekiel and make any sense out of them at all. I've had a few cracks reading Matthew Henry's attempts to apply all of those chapters to the Church and all but fell on the floor laughing.

That's why I asked Godfrey earlier how much he reads the Old Testament ...
delta co red dogs September 18, 2015 9:45 PM: 334 - To mention an Evangelical, J. Vernon McGee is, in my humble opinion, very good on the subject (although he is fantastically albeit forgivably ignorant about the Book of Revelation and in his assessment of Biblical heroes such as Peter and Mary and Paul - but that is not the issue here). Matthew Henry was very close to a spiritual genius, but he lacked, probably for reasons beyond his control, true insight into the course of nations. His four million words of Bible commentary are often priceless but every once in a while - on the subject of the fate of nations and churches - exhibit the foolishness of a provincial scribbler. The care of the individual soul was his specialty; I imagine that, as a young man, he made a decision to devote his labors to the Christians of England, and to prudentially ignore any wisdom in the Bible that was not directly useful for an English pastor with the responsibility to care for the souls of his English brethren. There are a few commenters here who have prayerfully read the Old Testament again and again, but those commenters are, I believe, in a distinct minority; that is the world we live in. Our lifetimes are, for most of us, way too short to understand Ezekiel, who, unlike me and almost everyone else, had a direct vision of the wisdom of the Lord.
334 September 18, 2015 10:00 PM: @254. dcrd

That was the sense I was getting. I grew up with constant OT reading, but I'm only beginning to really get the benefit of it in my 50s. It is unreasonable to expect younger believers to leap right in to the deep end of the pool.
delta co red dogs September 18, 2015 10:50 PM: 334 - thanks for reading and understanding my comment, your last two sentences expressed what I was trying to say.
Takin' a look September 18, 2015 11:00 PM: Roissy over at the Chateau won COTW over this.

"Firiono fellated Israel so hard, the foreskin grew back" (cleaned up a bit)

Anyways, as for the "Jews don't rule the world apologists", okay...you don't rule the world, American politicians just ACT like you do.
Anonymous September 19, 2015 1:27 PM: Most intellectually spoon-fed Americans, habituated to the Official Media filtered view, do not realize that there are a LOT of Jewish Americans who have ZERO allegiance to Israel, and that including among the religious observant Jews. Like the Controller at one place I worked at, who told me how he rebuked one friend for holding both an American and an Israeli passport. "Make up your mind", he told his friend.

The there's a growing bloom of Jews-Not-Zionists web sites out there. Not just Orthodox.

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