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Thursday, September 10, 2015

I think I know the answer

But I'm going to ask anyhow. We're working on getting the print edition of SJWAL together and I'd like to know whether folks here would prefer it in paperback or hardcover first. A number of you have stated your intention to buy it in order to give it to people, so I'm assuming that a less expensive paperback would be preferred. We're hoping to hit a $9.99 price point for that, but we won't know until we finish the layout.

My current thought is three paperbacks, one for each of the three laws, followed by an eventual hardcover omnibus entitled THE THREE LAWS OF SJW. But Selenoth fans need not worry, I've already turned my attention to A SEA OF SKULLS.

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Blogger Rantor September 10, 2015 9:18 PM  

I vote for three paperbacks followed by the hardback. I'd like to give out SJWAL to several friends.

Blogger Peter P. September 10, 2015 9:23 PM  

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Blogger Peter P. September 10, 2015 9:24 PM  

I concur with Rantor since the low price due to the format will make it more readily available to anyone interested. Now, a personal favorite for me is always hardback. So i will stick to the ebook form till it is out. I don't mind waiting.

Anonymous PA September 10, 2015 9:27 PM  

Paperback. Lighter and easier to pack for reading on the train/metro.

Anonymous A Visitor September 10, 2015 9:29 PM  

Hardcover, brah. Lasts longer.

Blogger Durandel Almiras September 10, 2015 9:30 PM  

Paperback. Cheaper, can purchase more copies to give to my college students.

Blogger Markku September 10, 2015 9:33 PM  

You should probably know that a hardback is going to be roughly 6 USD more expensive than the equivalent softcover. The cover material cost doesn't depend on the page count except by a very tiny bit (the back width). So, for a short book like this one it is percentually a very large portion of the cost.

Anonymous Goodnight September 10, 2015 9:35 PM  

Paperback here - I'd also like to give out copies.

Anonymous Reader September 10, 2015 9:38 PM  

Great will buy the books.

OT. Some of you might like to read physicist L. Krauss's recent article, All Scientists Should Be Militant Atheists.
http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/all-scientists-should-be-militant-atheists

And an interesting commentary on it by another physicist L. Motl , Is atheist jerk Krauss worse than religious fanatics?
http://motls.blogspot.com.au/2015/09/is-atheist-jerk-krauss-worse-than.html#more

Lubos is mostly on the conservative side of many issues and I remember PZ saying he's insane, just like by which SJW call VD

Anonymous karsten September 10, 2015 9:41 PM  

Exactly as you say:

"a less expensive paperback would be preferred."

Blogger SirHamster (#201) September 10, 2015 9:47 PM  

You should probably know that a hardback is going to be roughly 6 USD more expensive than the equivalent softcover. The cover material cost doesn't depend on the page count except by a very tiny bit (the back width). So, for a short book like this one it is percentually a very large portion of the cost.

So possibly $10 each for the 3 paperbacks, and somewhere between $20-35 for the hardback omnibus?

Anonymous Stickwick September 10, 2015 9:53 PM  

Paperback, please. I plan to buy a few copies to give out to colleagues, one of whom has already survived a vicious SJW attack.

BTW, I'm halfway through SJWAL, and it's very good. I'm impressed you got it out so quickly.

Anonymous bw1 September 10, 2015 9:55 PM  

One pocket paperback - it's for reading, not placing on a coffee table, so portability is key.

Blogger Markku September 10, 2015 9:56 PM  

On the paperbacks I have confidence (but this is not an absolute promise) that it's not going to be more than 11.99 USD . My guess would be 9.99 USD. Not less than that, though. We will know when the interior pdf is ready. For the omnibus cost I cannot say. Too many variables at this point, with the other two books not even written yet. But I expect it to be long enough that hardcover is the only sensible option. If I was forced to make a guess, I would say 29.99 for hardcover omnibus.

Anonymous Adam1 September 10, 2015 10:04 PM  

Paperback. I know a dozen Minikotains who may benefit. On the other hand, the bumpersticker sez: `No prophet is honored in his home country.` At least I`ll make the effort.

Blogger Michael Maier September 10, 2015 10:06 PM  

Get some sleep already, Vox!

Blogger The CronoLink September 10, 2015 10:14 PM  

That cover is mighty sick!!

Anonymous Viidad September 10, 2015 10:18 PM  

I've got a story to submit for the anthology, if it's open.

Also... that cover is really and truly badass.

Blogger Carl Philipp September 10, 2015 10:18 PM  

Is "SJWs Always Double Down" going to mention PedoGate?
I shouldn't have been surprised and sickened by how far SJWs will go to defend each other, having been exposed to SJW nonsense long ago... but, I suppose that's what makes it such a good example.

Anonymous Mr. Rational September 10, 2015 10:31 PM  

I'd volunteer to read slush but my plate is already full.

Blogger Weouro September 10, 2015 10:33 PM  

Paperback.

Blogger Rico Suave September 10, 2015 10:34 PM  

Paperback

Blogger Jack Ward September 10, 2015 10:34 PM  

My vote would be for trade paperback; something larger than a small paperback, with the corresponding larger type face. Otherwise, I'll be waiting for the HB.

Anonymous Greg September 10, 2015 10:46 PM  

I'm looking forward to reading SJWAL. Paperback is the best format for me.

Anonymous Poli_Mis September 10, 2015 10:47 PM  

Paperback.

Anonymous jerome horowitz September 10, 2015 10:48 PM  

Paperback.

Anonymous Sun Xhu September 10, 2015 10:52 PM  

Graphic Novel, please.

That way we can nominate it for a Hugo in that category, next year...

Anonymous Dave September 10, 2015 11:01 PM  

Paperback

Anonymous philip #023 September 10, 2015 11:07 PM  

Paperback to give to friends, preferably a hardback for me to put on the shelf by my collection of gilded SJW skulls.

Blogger Cecil Henry September 10, 2015 11:08 PM  

Paperback

Blogger Tallawampus September 10, 2015 11:10 PM  

Paperback first for my daily reader. I'll also buy the hardcover anthology to have on the shelf long term.

Blogger SciVo September 10, 2015 11:14 PM  

Yes, yes, three paperbacks and hardcover omnibus. Sounds great.

Tangentially, I just had an odd experience: I couldn't find the word for studying images by looking at BAGnews.

I have an inherited tendency to sometimes forget a word, which I compensate for by knowing where to look. I knew that BAGnews had that word there, but they don't anymore.

In fact, now they're called (more accurately) ReadingThePictures.org, but it took me considerable time to track down that the word I was looking for was semiotics. A site-specific search revealed that "semiotic" is nowhere on Reading the Pictures née BAGnews Notes.

What the heck? Why are they distancing themselves from that term? It's a useful one. They generally lean left; has it been too co-opted by people even further left than them? That's all I can think of, but I'm not in that community, so I'm not aware of that happening.

Blogger Markku September 10, 2015 11:18 PM  

Clearly it was taken down by a bunch of anti-semiotists.

Blogger VFM bot #188 September 10, 2015 11:21 PM  

Paperback.

Blogger VFM bot #188 September 10, 2015 11:24 PM  

The price point of $9.99 is way too high for a paperback. And don't make it a trade paperback. Put the price as low as possible. Millions of people are going to buy millions of these books to give out for Christmas presents this year. Sell them in regular small paperback with all three laws in them for something like $5, maybe $6. No more.

Blogger SciVo September 10, 2015 11:27 PM  

Oh, and it should be "The Three Laws of SJWs" plural.

Blogger Markku September 10, 2015 11:30 PM  

It is going to be a trade paperback, with the equivalent cost. Mass paperback is possible only in just that - a huge mass. It cannot be made print-on-demand for the expected cost of a mass paperback.

Blogger Floyd Looney September 10, 2015 11:31 PM  

As for the slush pile reading, I would love to. Except I would be the worst possible person for that. I really would. And even though I would likely fail miserably I would definitely try and submit something for said anthology.

Anonymous aviendha September 10, 2015 11:36 PM  

Hardcover, made from the skins of SJWs, signed in blood by the dark master himself. (not signed on a friggin sticker either).

Blogger SciVo September 10, 2015 11:36 PM  

That, or

SJWs ALWAYS:
Lie, Double Down, and Project

Blogger David-2 September 10, 2015 11:38 PM  

Three trade paperbacks would be nice - I like sets of books with similar covers - maybe it could be arranged that the cover art extending over the spine makes a nice pattern/design/something when the three books are shelved together.

Some people say they want hardbacks because they "last longer" or "better" than paperbacks.

Well, please take no offense, fellow ilk, but if you can't keep your paperbacks clean and tidy while reading them as often as you please then you're a barbarian.

Anonymous Despair September 10, 2015 11:40 PM  

I'd prefer Hardback first.

Blogger Bill September 10, 2015 11:55 PM  

Cost is a significant concern, paperbacks are usually cheaper, so I would prefer paperback if the paperback is cheaper. (I'm thinking of five or six copies)

Blogger BunE22 September 11, 2015 12:03 AM  

Meh, I prefer hard cover so I'll wait. I'd gift those too.

Blogger BunE22 September 11, 2015 12:06 AM  

@40 I hate how the spines bend on paperbacks and never look as good as when new. I buy paperback when it's all I can get but I prefer hardcover.

Blogger Snorri September 11, 2015 12:12 AM  

pppppppaperback, please.

Blogger guest September 11, 2015 12:28 AM  

Paperback.

OpenID Glen September 11, 2015 12:51 AM  

PB. Definitely going to give a few away.

Anonymous Steve Brown VFM#0273 September 11, 2015 1:20 AM  

paperback

Anonymous Jack Amok September 11, 2015 1:24 AM  

Paperback. Small-format if possible. Something easy to carry around.

Blogger SciVo September 11, 2015 1:42 AM  

Markku @32: "Clearly it was taken down by a bunch of anti-semiotists."

Well, but sea, that's the thing that disturbs me: it seems to be just as concerned with semiotics as ever, yet for some reason avowed to never speak its name. Weird.

Blogger SciVo September 11, 2015 1:44 AM  

I seem to recall that our Dark Lord has averred that he would rather we not correct mere misspellings, so I will not, no matter how absurd.

Blogger Danby September 11, 2015 3:04 AM  

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It took me years to write, will you take a look?
It's based on a novel by RAH
And I need a job so I want to be a paperback writer

It's a dirty story of a girly man
And his man-jawed wife doesn't understand
His daughter's stronger than her dad
Not much of a man, but he wants to be a paperback writer

It's a thousand pages, give or take a few
I'll be writing more in a week or two
I can make it longer if you like the style
I can change it 'round and I want to be a paperback writer

If you really like it you can have the rights
It could make a million for you overnight
If you must return it you can send it here
But I need a lawn and I want to be a paperback writer

Blogger Doom September 11, 2015 3:05 AM  

I was thinking hardback, for myself. Then I heard what some of the others have asked, and... actually agree. If you come out with paperback first, I will buy this book for several people. I don't know if they will read it. Not my problem. I do know they sit squarely on the fence, but in fear. There are some people who will never choose to defend themselves in time though.

Still... Your advice is more practical than my advice... for the common lightweight. I take it head on and don't care. Even if they end up pulling medicine to try to make me dance. Most seem to fold like cheap metal chairs simply by being questioned in a certain way, or looked at.

Yeah, I vote paperback.

Blogger Shimshon September 11, 2015 3:30 AM  

I like trade paperbacks. Better quality paper than the smaller mass-market version. Larger size makes for easier reading. Hardback will be much more money without much advantage.

I'm sure there's no shortage of material, but is there really justification for three volumes? I thought it was just a joke at first, to tie in nicely to the Three Laws. I'll still buy anyway, because I have no doubt about the quality of your work.

Anonymous Forrest Bishop VFM #0167 September 11, 2015 4:22 AM  

The Little Red Book was always issued in paperback. "The most popular versions were printed in small sizes that could be easily carried and were bound in bright red covers, becoming commonly known in the West as the Little Red Book. It is considered to be one of the most printed books in history"

My 1971 English translation, Arrow Press, Peking, is a paperback. These are market tested and much easier to hold up and wave for extended periods than are hardbacks. The revolutionary's choice.

Blogger #0006 Hammer September 11, 2015 4:37 AM  

I think you know correct Vox. Three paperbacks and a hardcover omnibus.

Blogger John Cunningham September 11, 2015 4:37 AM  

I vote for paperback first, low cost will allow wider distribution. later the hardback, for my archives.

Anonymous Lulabelle (68) September 11, 2015 5:19 AM  

"then you're a barbarian."

You say that like it's a bad thing.

Paperback.

Blogger Doom September 11, 2015 5:47 AM  

@Lulabelle,

"You say that like it's a bad thing."

Such wonderful words. Blessings.

Blogger Shimshon September 11, 2015 5:55 AM  

For the single omnibus edition, I also vote hardback.

Will a VFM collector's version be provided? Translucent leather from thin-skinned SJWs. A shimmering gloss composed of their ground up bones. Every copy include a skull chalice with a thick layer of gold plated on, and a flask of culturally tasteful beverage (wine for the Italians, bourbon for the Southrons, etc) for toasting our long march of destruction through the festering SJW hordes.

Blogger JACIII September 11, 2015 6:11 AM  

paperback. Though I don't know who I will give them to. Seems everyone has a copy or is getting one already.

Blogger Eric September 11, 2015 6:52 AM  

paperback first so I can hand it out to several friends. Then the hardcover for my bookshelf.

Blogger VFM bot #188 September 11, 2015 7:01 AM  

All you people who are mewling about having a hardback, shut up (you'll get one in due time).

Everyone who's agitating for a trade paperback, you shut up too (they'll be available too eventually).

Markku said, It is going to be a trade paperback, with the equivalent cost. Mass paperback is possible only in just that - a huge mass. It cannot be made print-on-demand for the expected cost of a mass paperback.

Markku, if you make it a trade paperback you'll be making a huge mistake. Ditto for any notions of splitting the short thing into three books. This book is important. It can sell in the millions if you do it right. I'm not talking about print-on-demand, I'm talking about an initial press run of X-number-of-thousands in the U.S. Then additional press runs will follow as needed, just like any smash-hit best seller. In opting for trade paperback (or, god forbid, only hardback), you're trying to shoehorn a mass market phenomenon into a niche product. Bad idea.

SJWs Always Lie is going to be the 2015 publishing equivalent of the Donald Trump phenomenon in the political sphere. Don't let it get away.

Blogger Markku September 11, 2015 7:07 AM  

Not happening, VFM.

Blogger Markku September 11, 2015 7:10 AM  

And we're obviously not splitting SJWAL. But SJWAL is the first book of a trilogy. When the trilogy is done, there will be an omnibus edition containing all three books (the first of which is SJWAL), and it will be a hardcover. The parts will be individually available as softcovers.

Blogger McChuck September 11, 2015 7:21 AM  

Thanks for clearing that up, Markku. As originally addressed, it sounded like a fairly short book was going to be split into 3. So, my vote is paperbacks now, with a hardcover omnibus of the eventual trilogy to appear later. With a nice cover, that should annoy any given SJW just by its appearance.

"I don't care." - The ultimate rationale of a free man.

Blogger Markku September 11, 2015 7:23 AM  

For future reference: "Omnibus" means "more than one book in one cover".

Blogger VD September 11, 2015 7:37 AM  

In opting for trade paperback (or, god forbid, only hardback), you're trying to shoehorn a mass market phenomenon into a niche product. Bad idea.

You're missing the point. We're not talking about a 24.99 trade paperback. We're talking about a 9.99 paperback. A 5.99 "mass market" paperback makes little sense; it's a form factor for 350-400 page novels.

Blogger Markku September 11, 2015 7:39 AM  

And more importantly, for novels which you can do an offset print run of tens of thousands of units, AND have your own distribution channels to stores. That's how they get the price so low. It would be an absolutely preposterous financial investment.

Blogger Steveo #238 September 11, 2015 7:40 AM  

Paperback - ASAP.
Markku - any chance for a pre-order link to pay now?

The massive give-away campaign could be used to great effect.

Blogger Bodichi (0031) September 11, 2015 7:45 AM  

I would purchase at least 1 at 9.99 in paperback.

Blogger Jalor Mann September 11, 2015 7:45 AM  

Would it be possible to have the omnibus in paperback also?

Blogger Jalor Mann September 11, 2015 7:47 AM  

Would it be possible to have the omnibus in paperback also?

Blogger VFM bot #188 September 11, 2015 7:54 AM  

And more importantly, for novels which you can do an offset print run of tens of thousands of units, AND have your own distribution channels to stores. That's how they get the price so low. It would be an absolutely preposterous financial investment.

First of all, Markku, you have your distribution channel already: It's called Amazon. Second, you negotiate with the big bookstores to get the book into them; they care only about money, and if the book is threatening to sell in the millions (as I assert it will; look at the reviews still flowing in on Amazon of it), they'll jump at the chance to have it in their stores. Thirdly, if it's a preposterous investment, do a kickstarter or find an angel (they do exist, and some would leap at this opportunity).

Blogger VFM bot #188 September 11, 2015 7:59 AM  

You're missing the point. We're not talking about a 24.99 trade paperback. We're talking about a 9.99 paperback. A 5.99 "mass market" paperback makes little sense; it's a form factor for 350-400 page novels.

Vox, I am merely a faceless minion, but I know a potential publishing phenomenon when I see it. Again: SJWs Always Lie is to publishing what Donald Trump is to politics in the U.S. I'm not talking about a $5.99 paperback either. I'm saying Pet Rock territory: Price it at $4.99 and let fly. You and Markku will say the numbers won't work out at that price point. Neither did the Little Red Book. They don't work out if you sell less than a few hundred thousand. If they sell millions---to a country that's ready for the message, just like they're ready for Trump---then you become a multi-millionaire. You too, Markku.

Blogger Markku September 11, 2015 8:06 AM  

No.

Anonymous szook September 11, 2015 8:07 AM  

And there was great rejoicing......

Blogger Rantor September 11, 2015 8:08 AM  

Are there any ill with connections to conservative bookstores, gun stores, etc. that might find a way to get these on display?

Blogger maniacprovost September 11, 2015 8:09 AM  

Personally I don't see selling more than 10k copies at 6.99, and that's optimistic.

Second, I don't care. SEA OF SKULLS

Blogger VFM bot #188 September 11, 2015 8:23 AM  

Yes! :--)

Blogger VFM bot #188 September 11, 2015 8:24 AM  

Maniac, either you or I are really, really, really mistaken.

It's you. :--)

Blogger Joshua_D September 11, 2015 8:25 AM  

Paperback. I'm looking forward to A Sea Of Skulls. I dig the flag on the ship.

Anonymous kfg September 11, 2015 8:44 AM  

There is no flag on the ship. Not so much as a masthead pennant.

Blogger Patrikbc September 11, 2015 9:00 AM  

Paperback, hardcovers make terrible survival manuals.

Blogger Markku September 11, 2015 9:03 AM  

Perhaps we should copy Stand to Reason though...

Blogger jaericho (#107) September 11, 2015 9:12 AM  

Paperback, Hardcover...why not both?

The new cover looks good, except the dragon/demon skull looks a little chrome-y or animated to me. But it could be my monitor.

Blogger Shimshon September 11, 2015 9:12 AM  

VFM Perhaps Markku would be interested if you were willing to put up the money for a mass-market volume printing?

Blogger Markku September 11, 2015 9:14 AM  

100,000 USD up front would probably take my interest.

Blogger Thomas Davidsmeier September 11, 2015 9:36 AM  

Hey Markku,

Business of publishing sort of questions for you. I've written a fantasy novel that I'm in the process of polishing up, but I'm also a visual artists as well. I've stuck a bunch of pictures into my book, most of them color because I thought that it would be a neat way to take advantage of e-readers instead of old fashioned printing.

For example my sub chapter splits are little repeated illustrations instead of " * * * ".

How much does that effect print on demand costs? Will it turn publishers off to see those pictures in there? I also have numerous full sized illustrations and I'm in the process of creating more as well, so I think they are value added and not just window dressing. But, if they would turn off publishers, I wouldn't want to leave them in there.

By the way, those writer types who wanted to do a group and site, I made one at: thefoamfactory.davidsmeier.com

Come on over and sign up for forums.

Anonymous VD September 11, 2015 9:45 AM  

I am merely a faceless minion, but I know a potential publishing phenomenon when I see it.

If it is only in the top 2k on Kindle at $4.99, why do you think it is going to do three orders of magnitude more at the same price in paperback? I fail to understand your reasoning here.

Blogger Markku September 11, 2015 10:01 AM  

Got to go, but the quick answer: The only decision that affects the cost (and affects it by a huge amount) is between color and black & white. If your images are b&w, they have no effect on the cost compared to text.

Blogger VFM bot #188 September 11, 2015 10:05 AM  

Shimshon, you're a snarky little witch today. Marrkku, just because she jumps off a bridge doesn't mean you have to also.

If I had it I'd do it. The thing is, there are people in this world who DO have it, and might very well be interested. If Vox and Markku were interested in talking to them.

Blogger VFM bot #188 September 11, 2015 10:24 AM  

If it is only in the top 2k on Kindle at $4.99, why do you think it is going to do three orders of magnitude more at the same price in paperback? I fail to understand your reasoning here.

It's still picking up steam, Vox. It came out in late August. We're almost halfway through September. Yesterday there were six 5-star reviews alone, all verified purchasers.

That's my first point: It's only out in ebook format at this point. Most people still buy and read paper books. Second point: We're coming up on the holiday season. People who like this book REALLY LIKE IT. They're all going to buy multiple paperback copies if it's reasonably priced, and they're going to give those extra copies as Christmas gifts to both their rational and their SJW friends.

My third point has to do with the political atmosphere in the U.S. All the "smart people" and "experts" and others in the political ruling classes are dumbfounded by Donald Trump. They can't believe it, they can't figure it out, and they have no idea why it's happening despite everything they and their media lackies do to sink the guy. Your book may be the Donald Trump phenomenon of the book publishing world. Nor does it hurt that the world is turning upside down, not only with Muslim fanaticism, not only with the open-borders invasions, not only with the extremely unsettling Presidential campaign going on for the next 14 months...but also because the public in the U.S. has reached a tipping point. The reason the book will sell millions is the same reason that millions are going to vote for Donald Trump. Voting for him is a rejection of SJWism. Buying your book in multiple copies and giving them as gifts is doing the same thing as voting for Trump.

Finally, printing normal-sized paperback books is cheaper than printing trade-paperbacks. That allows them to be priced cheaper, which in turn encourages more buyers for all purposes.

I'm not saying go crazy; you and Markku don't have to make an initial $100,000 run. Start small and then ramp up as it builds.

Oh...one other thing: What do I know? I'm just a minion, and a vile at that.

Blogger VD September 11, 2015 12:28 PM  

Finally, printing normal-sized paperback books is cheaper than printing trade-paperbacks. That allows them to be priced cheaper, which in turn encourages more buyers for all purposes.

What part of "we're not doing trade paperback" have you not understood? Based on the longer length of the book compared to Compost, we can't get it down to 9.99, but 11.99 might be possible. It's not going to be a 19.99 or 24.99 trade paperback.

Blogger maniacprovost September 11, 2015 2:18 PM  

But, will it be a trade paperback?

Blogger bruce September 11, 2015 2:34 PM  

I'd like to read slush for the next HORSE, but I last night I couldn't get VD's email link to work, and I notice today the offer disappeared.

Blogger bruce September 11, 2015 2:34 PM  

I'd like to read slush for the next HORSE, but I last night I couldn't get VD's email link to work, and I notice today the offer disappeared.

Blogger VFM bot #188 September 11, 2015 2:54 PM  

What part of "we're not doing trade paperback" have you not understood?

Whoops. I must have misunderstood: Markku said above at #37 "It is going to be a trade paperback, with the equivalent cost. Mass paperback is possible only in just that - a huge mass." It was not clear to me that subsequent references to "paperback" were not "trade paperback," as I didn't get that anyone said "it's going to be a regular paperback, not a trade paperback." Sorry about that!

Blogger Floyd Looney September 11, 2015 3:45 PM  

@97 & 8 - I guess he has enough volunteers.

Anonymous cheddarman September 11, 2015 4:45 PM  

I would like to see a character based on Nate that is a Michaelene, and swears off booze, women and smokes

Blogger maniacprovost September 11, 2015 9:59 PM  

SJWs ALWAYS DOUBLE DOWN. Will it be a historical account of the French Revolution, or something Soviet-inspired like Atlas Shrugged?

Anonymous Lord T September 12, 2015 10:06 AM  

I'd prefer all three books in one and paperback is always cheaper when you want to share.

Anonymous jaime osbourn September 12, 2015 11:18 AM  

I think I'd prefer paperback thank you.

Blogger Markku September 13, 2015 9:14 AM  

Nothing to see here. The little miscommunication has been cleared up. The ability to do mass paperbacks with normal mass paperback cost is always in my mind, but it's time is not even near as of now.

Blogger SciVo September 14, 2015 2:11 AM  

@ Markku: "100,000 USD up front would probably take my interest."

If I could scare that up, what would be the value proposition for the investor?

Blogger SciVo September 14, 2015 2:16 AM  

@ VD: "If it is only in the top 2k on Kindle at $4.99, why do you think it is going to do three orders of magnitude more at the same price in paperback?"

Rank in its category? How did the books that you're beating sell?

Blogger Markku September 14, 2015 4:31 AM  

Vox's book, so I'll let him decide. There would also have to be a credible plan for how to handle the much complicated logistics involved. Print-on-demand is trivial to handle. Print runs are not.

Blogger Page September 14, 2015 10:42 AM  

I prefer paperbacks, even if I'm going to keep them all to myself. Also, I'm willing to pay up to 15 dollars for a good one.

Blogger SciVo September 14, 2015 8:18 PM  

Markku @108: "Vox's book, so I'll let him decide."

Okay, I'm just saying, I think you just threw that out there as a rhetorical device, and I would like for you to take this idea seriously. I can think of at least one millionaire that I might be able to talk into it, but she's super-sharp (natch) and it would have to make business sense. And I'm sure that I'm not the only one here that knows people like that.

Blogger Markku September 14, 2015 8:21 PM  

I'll take it seriously when I see the money on the bank account. Until then, not so seriously.

Blogger Markku September 14, 2015 8:22 PM  

But again, talk to Vox. I really do give him full control of all business decisions regarding his own books.

Blogger Markku September 14, 2015 8:42 PM  

It looks like the minimum print run of the most popular printing press (used for Harry Potter books, for example) is 5000 books. They don't offer a price calculator, but internet sources suggest that the printing cost is 0.75 - 1.00 USD per book. Then there's significant shipping costs, as this is heavy stuff. But the most important problem to solve is how to get the books from the warehouse to the market. Do not assume the obvious answer to this, or I will be as impolite to you as I was to #188. I'm not an idiot. If you suggest something obvious, I have thought about it. My patience is running EXTREMELY low.

Blogger Markku September 14, 2015 8:52 PM  

You may be thinking, 1$ to print, 5.99$ to sell, HEYYY PROFITZ! But it's not that simple. Our current system of getting the book to market is absolutely and totally useless for that approach. You have to create an alternative system aside it, from scratch. And 5000 books would be penny trading if you have to build the logistics. It would have to be big in order to be worthwhile.

Blogger Markku September 14, 2015 9:04 PM  

Guess how much cheaper it is to print a mass-market paperback, than it is to print a trade paperback? 25 cents cheaper. You have to get your profits from those 25 extra cents. So, can you see how turning those 25 cents into a drop in retail cost of 4 dollars or more, is an EXTREMELY complicated problem?

Blogger automatthew September 14, 2015 10:38 PM  

Mass markets are for people who read slow, and thus aren't bothered by the frequent page turning.

188: you're becoming very annoying.

Blogger VFM bot #188 September 14, 2015 10:54 PM  

What seems to be the problem, automatthew? The last post by me in this thread appears over 3 days ago. And I was right at the time in what I said: Markku and Vox were miscommunicating by contradicting each other. In addition, as a result of the discussion there is a possibility that the extraordinarily important book may be more widely disseminated, as I have argued it should be. Is there a problem with that?

Blogger Markku September 14, 2015 10:58 PM  

There is absolutely no chance of that whatsoever. It is so far removed from the universe that we occupy that it might as well be in Narnia. But now I'm sending you all to pester Vox instead of me, because he actually can ban you.

Blogger automatthew September 14, 2015 11:01 PM  

I think Vox misspoke with What part of "we're not doing trade paperback" have you not understood?.

He clearly meant not doing mass market.

Blogger Markku September 14, 2015 11:12 PM  

I think you all should pitch your idea to him really aggressively. Through multiple channels, he really likes that.

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