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Saturday, September 05, 2015

I wonder what might ever be the cause?

It's a source of mixed amusement and despair to see the media simultaneously celebrate a) a declining white population of American while lamenting b) declining average SAT scores.
Scores on the SAT have sunk to the lowest level since the college admission test was overhauled in 2005, adding to worries about student performance in the nation’s high schools.

The average score for the Class of 2015 was 1490 out of a maximum 2400, the College Board reported Thursday. That was down 7 points from the previous class’s mark and was the lowest composite score of the past decade. There were declines of at least 2 points on all three sections of the test — critical reading, math and writing.

The steady decline in SAT scores and generally stagnant results from high schools on federal tests and other measures reflect a troubling shortcoming of education-reform efforts. The test results show that gains in reading and math in elementary grades haven’t led to broad improvement in high schools, experts say. That means several hundred thousand teenagers, especially those who grew up poor, are leaving school every year unready for college.
One can only conclude that the journalists writing articles like these didn't do very well on the SAT themselves. It's not as if it's any great mystery what happens when lower IQ populations are permitted to invade a higher IQ population; both England and Denmark have observed statistically significant decreases in average IQ since their immigrant populations began to grow.

Diversity is intrinsically opposed to Progress of any sort that involves a) technology, b) wealth, or c) quality of life.

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Blogger pyrrhus September 05, 2015 1:55 PM  

However, even with respect to the white population, SAT scores have been declining since the 1960s. College Board "reformed" the scores in 1995 by adding about 100 points to the combined scores to make them look better, but the decline has continued.

Blogger pyrrhus September 05, 2015 1:55 PM  

renormed, not reformed

Blogger RobertT September 05, 2015 1:57 PM  

No sweat. They'll just drop the standards again. They've been dumbing it down since the 60's.

Anonymous Pax Romana September 05, 2015 1:57 PM  

Vox, do you think there is any merit to the arguments against standardized tests, like the SATs - that they are "institutionally unfair," or whatever the liberal whine-of-day is? Or is it more a matter of SATs reveal lower IQ and do so without prejudice or advantage to any one group?

Blogger Azimus September 05, 2015 1:58 PM  

Any idea what they mean by "overhauled"? Is it dumber now than in 2004? Can anyone sign up for SAT? I wonder how I would score today... could I pick up a couple of points?

Blogger stevev September 05, 2015 2:03 PM  

One wonders what sitting for exams at Oxford is like, today. Still the bulwark of academic rigor it once was?

Anonymous Satan's Hamster September 05, 2015 2:03 PM  

The British government solved this problem by making their exams so much easier that they had to introduce new grades above 'A'.

The end result is that everyone now knows that someone who only got 'A' on their exams is thick as pig shit.

Anonymous The other robot September 05, 2015 2:09 PM  

But, but, but, diverse, 12-yo female has the highest IQ score evah and will save the other enabled hordes.

Anonymous Wyrd September 05, 2015 2:14 PM  

But, but, but, diverse, 12-yo female has the highest IQ score evah and will save the other enabled hordes.

So, what has she produced with her superior intellect? Bueller? Bueller?

Blogger Markku September 05, 2015 2:14 PM  

Unsurprising, as it's India. Their caste system is essentially a clever eugenics program that has been running for a LONG time.

Blogger VD September 05, 2015 2:16 PM  

Vox, do you think there is any merit to the arguments against standardized tests, like the SATs - that they are "institutionally unfair," or whatever the liberal whine-of-day is?

No, they've been dumbing them down for decades as it is. The problem is that the student population is getting dumber even faster. That's what happens when you have less 100-105 IQ kids and more 70-80 IQ kids.

America has demographically destroyed itself. It has zero chance of remaining the global superpower. The lunacy of the 1965 Immigration Reform Act and the legal enforcement of equality are every bit as insane and societally destructive as the Soviet Union's embrace of socialist economics.

Blogger Rantor September 05, 2015 2:19 PM  

And many schools no longer look at SAT scores for admission, the only standardized, quantitative measure available. The high school grading system is totally inflated and grades from district to district are not normed in any way. So will colleges that don't consider SATs need to offer more remedial courses?

Anonymous Pax Romana September 05, 2015 2:22 PM  

Ah, excellent! Well, not "excellent," I suppose, since that means America is dumber than we thought and has been deceived to believe it was smarter than it was.

Anonymous PA September 05, 2015 2:23 PM  

"Diversity is intrinsically opposed to Progress of any sort that involves a) technology, b) wealth, or c) quality of life."

Also male excellence and female beauty.

Blogger Jehu September 05, 2015 2:24 PM  

Sat and similar tests over predict not underpredict minority performance. If anything you could say they are unfair to whites.

Blogger Jehu September 05, 2015 2:24 PM  

Sat and similar tests over predict not underpredict minority performance. If anything you could say they are unfair to whites.

Blogger Jehu September 05, 2015 2:24 PM  

Sat and similar tests over predict not underpredict minority performance. If anything you could say they are unfair to whites.

Anonymous Brigadon September 05, 2015 2:29 PM  

'Diversity support' is Lysenkoism for humans.

Anonymous The other robot September 05, 2015 2:31 PM  

So, what has she produced with her superior intellect? Bueller? Bueller?

And there is a good chance she won't pass those genes on, as well.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents September 05, 2015 2:35 PM  

Any idea what they mean by "overhauled"?

Rejiggered to favor certain groups.

Is it dumber now than in 2004?

Yes.

Can anyone sign up for SAT? I wonder how I would score today... could I pick up a couple of points?

Why would you care?

Anonymous The other robot September 05, 2015 2:40 PM  

It's not as if it's any great mystery what happens when lower IQ populations are permitted to invade a higher IQ population;

It is if you are ignorant of genetics and think that environment and pervasive racism cause the lower IQ of NAMs.

Anonymous Average Liberal September 05, 2015 2:44 PM  

But, but, but, MOAR Headstart! Close the gap! Math is racist! IQ is meaningless! Burblefzzgkl! My head hurts!

Anonymous Heuristics September 05, 2015 2:50 PM  

The cause in picture form

Blogger Tom K. September 05, 2015 3:10 PM  

Ah! If only we had a valley in the Colorado Rockies protected by a forcefield we could move to! The world is too small now. Idiocracy is only a few decades away.

Blogger Tom K. September 05, 2015 3:11 PM  

Ah! If only we had a valley in the Colorado Rockies protected by a forcefield we could move to! The world is too small now. Idiocracy is only a few decades away.

Anonymous Godfrey September 05, 2015 3:16 PM  

What will we do with all these stupid people? In the past stupid people would get a job as a journalist. What now with an overflowing overabundance of stupid?

Anonymous Adam1 September 05, 2015 3:16 PM  

How does the much vaunted `jewish high IQ` stand in all this? Is the goy population getter that dumber or are more jews than ever moving to Israel?

Anonymous Satan's Hamster September 05, 2015 3:19 PM  

@26: "What now with an overflowing overabundance of stupid?"

Government and academia, obviously.

Blogger Cail Corishev September 05, 2015 3:21 PM  

Sat and similar tests over predict not underpredict minority performance.

Yep. They stripped out all the cultural references long ago and have done everything they can think of to help minorities do better, but people are still complaining about yacht/regatta analogies because they don't know what else to blame.

A whole lot of smart and dedicated people have been trying to eliminate the Race Gap in testing for years -- not just in schools, but in firefighting, police, and other fields. The government spends billions on programs like Head Start which claim to be working on it, even after admitting they don't work. It sues itself over the matter, with the feds taking cities to court because their tests don't produce the right quotas. It would throw billions at anyone who could produce a test that closes even a few points of the Gap. The most likely reason that it hasn't been done is that it can't be done.

As someone once pointed out, if you rewrote the SAT in ebonics with half the questions about rap music, next year the Asians, Jews, and half the white kids would be cramming on ebonics and rap, and they'd still score the highest.

Blogger VD September 05, 2015 3:22 PM  

How does the much vaunted `jewish high IQ` stand in all this?

It's trivial. First, the numbers are small. Second, their average IQs aren't that high. They're lower than Episcopalians and Chinese.

Blogger Torial (#170) September 05, 2015 3:24 PM  

In Iowa, the problem of decline of education was can be traced to a number of factors that clearly (to my eyes, but maybe started earlier) started in the 90s:
a) The teachers' union basically was given control over how education was run, and despite getting vastly more money, wasted it on bureaucracy/administrative costs.
b) The teachers' union and school administrations focused more on SJW issues to teach, rather than basic skills
c) The teachers who were liberal but still taught their subjects were generously ($$) encouraged to retire so that the batch of recently college educated teachers could fill their slots.
d) Corruption at the school board level (where even people convicted of felonies while in office got large payoffs) of the large cities (ie w/ 200 million $ budgets for both Cedar Rapids and DSM ), where focus on new school building contracts, etc.. was the primary reason to get on the school board.

I can't speak to immigration and cause/effect (although there was a lot of discussion of illegal immigration costing Iowa taxpayers at least $1 billion / year) with deterioration, but Iowa education was definitely a case study in SJWs ruin everything.

Anonymous The other robot September 05, 2015 3:25 PM  

Yep. They stripped out all the cultural references long ago and have done everything they can think of to help minorities do better, but people are still complaining about yacht/regatta analogies because they don't know what else to blame.

I don't think this is correct. For example, it is well known that blacks do worse on culture-free tests like Ravens Progressive Matrices than they do on culture loaded tests.

Anonymous Anonymous September 05, 2015 3:35 PM  

--Yep. They stripped out all the cultural references long ago and have done everything they can think of to help minorities do better, but people are still complaining about yacht/regatta analogies because they don't know what else to blame.--

Shortest book ever written: Negroes I Have Met While Yachting

- Schooner

Blogger Midnight Avenue J September 05, 2015 3:36 PM  

This diversity issue, coupled with the general expectation that EVERYONE should be going to college and the pervasive denigration by the elites of trades and non-degree careers means more people who would never have been encouraged to take the SAT are taking it anyway. I wonder, when everyone is a lawyer or doctor or IT consultant of some flavor, who will fix their damned toilets when they back up, or connect their homes to electricity and gas, or, or, or...I guess the Wall-E brigage will be there to do all the dirty work once we finally achieve Paradise.

@ 31 Torial, I tend to agree with your points in the main. I went to Catholic school for 10 years before transferring to public school to complete my HS term. I thought it was just the quality of the school I was in, but the 90s definitely had more than a whiff of a Second-Coming of the Hippie Revolutionaries about it, and most of my teachers in HS and college actively encouraged resistance, rebellion, SJW-style cultural relativism, critical race theory in all areas of study, etc.

The concept of "race as a social construct" was introduced to me by my biology teacher. She was an ex-hippie who married a Muslim and converted but was trying to be hip in her own way, explaining Islam was cool and all, because her husband let her wear pants to work. IDK.

When I first read an average of 1490 I thought, what is so bad? Then I remember the test was revised and a new scale was applied. 1490/2400 is abysmal. I wonder how I'd do today; I scored 1350/1600 despite being a C student in high school - mostly because I couldn't give two fricks about my classes or 90% of my teachers.

Blogger Midnight Avenue J September 05, 2015 3:42 PM  

@ 32: not so much to help the minorities, but to deflect the appearance of racism and cultural bias by including questions that reference specific aspects of a given culture.

But, I've never been on a yacht before. All I know about the subject comes from watching One Crazy Summer and Summer Rental. I could still answer questions based on reading a story about boats, or solve equations related to distance/time, &c., because regardless of how you describe it, WHAT you're describing is fundamentally the same, especially in mathematics. The capacity for abstract thought is independent of the manner in which a problem is presented - you have it, or you do not.

Blogger Cail Corishev September 05, 2015 3:47 PM  

For example, it is well known that blacks do worse on culture-free tests like Ravens Progressive Matrices than they do on culture loaded tests.

Well known to you and me and honest people in the business, but not so much to the mainstream. Yes, it turns out blacks did better on the culture-loaded tests, but that's not what anyone expected, and it doesn't fit the Narrative, so it's ignored as much as possible. They can hardly say, "Bring back the regatta question."

Anonymous physphilmusic September 05, 2015 3:48 PM  

I also lament the decline in average SAT scores; on the other hand, I've found out over the years that a lot of people here wouldn't like it either if university admissions were a pure meritocracy based on SATs (or other standardized cognitive tests) because Jews and Asians would dominate.

Anonymous Melchior September 05, 2015 3:49 PM  

I think it's a hoot that "African" Americans love to state their minority status to get the free shit, but don't understand that their ethnic group's activities are being tracked. The truth may actually come out someday culturally.

Anonymous Stg58 / Animal Mother #225 September 05, 2015 4:30 PM  

My dad took the entrance exam for the City College of NY in 1948. The exam was an 8 hour written exam done all at once. He then went on to Columbia for his masters. He told me that even in 1952, the education college was uniformly regarded as idiots.

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Blogger VD September 05, 2015 4:32 PM  

I've found out over the years that a lot of people here wouldn't like it either if university admissions were a pure meritocracy based on SATs (or other standardized cognitive tests) because Jews and Asians would dominate.

Asians would, Jews wouldn't. There are far more high-IQ Europeans than high-IQ Jews.

More kids are taking the test, but that's not the issue.

In 2014, just 15.8 percent of African-American students met the college readiness benchmark, as well as 23.4 percent of Hispanic test takers and 33.5 percent of Native American students. Of the 2014 test takers, nearly half (47.5 percent) were minority students.

Anonymous Stg58 / Animal Mother #225 September 05, 2015 4:33 PM  

Bullshit, Physphilmusic. Jews and Asians would not dominate. None of the Ph.D's at my office are asian. The Ph.D's are all white Christian men, and the only Asian in the engineering department has a master's in E.E. from Rice.

Anonymous jdgalt September 05, 2015 4:37 PM  

Immigrants may be part of the explanation, but it seems to me that our education system is doing a worse job than in previous years. The teachers' unions have made it worse, and so has Common Core; but the biggest factor, in my estimation, is our welfare system, which subsidizes the poor to breed like flies. Kids whose only role model is a single mother living on the dole aren't going to be motivated to learn anything.

Anonymous physphilmusic September 05, 2015 5:04 PM  

@41
Jews and Asians would not dominate. None of the Ph.D's at my office are asian. The Ph.D's are all white Christian men, and the only Asian in the engineering department has a master's in E.E. from Rice.

Are you seriously offering up your office as a representative sample of demographics in a test-based system? Based on your other posts, you're not that simpleminded. We don't know how many Asians there are in your area, how many Asians vs. Whites applied to your company and their respective success rates, nor what kind of company it is. And so on.

Let's take an example which is closer to what I was talking about: demographics at UC Berkeley, the top university in the UC system. California prohibits explicit race-based considerations in admissions, although in practice admissions committees try their best to keep affirmative action going on secretly by using "holistic admission" and so on. Non-Hispanic whites make up 40% of the population of California, they were only 30% of the undergraduate student body (and note that I haven't even separated out the non-hispanic whites from the "whites" in the Berkeley demographic data). Asians, on the other hand, make up only 14% of California's population but 40% of the student body. And this is already based on "holistic admissions". If admissions were turned into a completely meritocratic system based on grades and test scores alone (which is the case in most other countries in the world - even Canada doesn't care about your extracurriculars or leadership activities), this would presumably be even worse. Are you sure whites would be happy with that?

And I've been on this site long enough to find people who immediately change their goalposts when confronted with this fact - the criterion for university admissions suddenly changes from whether an applicant has good enough grades/SATs but into whether "their ancestors were the one who built the university". I'm not necessarily saying this is definitely wrong - but it does show that as I said, some folks here don't want a full test-based meritocracy either.

Anonymous Clint #47/#73 September 05, 2015 5:53 PM  

@11 No, they've been dumbing them down for decades as it is. The problem is that the student population is getting dumber even faster. That's what happens when you have less 100-105 IQ kids and more 70-80 IQ kids.

Welcome to my life. I teach both regular college-level English courses and Developmental Writing courses (for those students who are not "college-ready" as they attend college). My regular courses are probably 80% white/asian, with the other 20% sprinkled with the vibrant colors. My remedial classes are the opposite, if not even more unbalanced.

Blogger VD September 05, 2015 6:07 PM  

it does show that as I said, some folks here don't want a full test-based meritocracy either.

When did anyone here ever say they did? I don't want a meritocracy. I don't believe in "equal opportunity". I believe in free association.

Anonymous physphilmusic September 05, 2015 7:00 PM  

When did anyone here ever say they did? I don't want a meritocracy. I don't believe in "equal opportunity". I believe in free association.

Many universities including Ivy league ones would freely choose to implement affirmative action. If you're lamenting the decline of SATs, that's an implicit admission that you believe SATs mean something and are important. I'm pointing out that while almost everybody here believes that, for some SATs are not the most important criterion.

No, I'm not accusing anyone of having said otherwise - I'm just pointing out this fact and conveying how amusing it is to me. In the end it still boils down to fighting for your own perceived "race". Whites want more whites to get into elite universities. Asians want more Asians to get in. And so on with blacks and Hispanics.

Anonymous The other robot September 05, 2015 7:01 PM  

Asians, on the other hand, make up only 14% of California's population but 40% of the student body.

Are you including Filipinos in that 15%? I don't think there are that many East Asians in CA yet.

(The damn robot test keeps asking me to identify the pictures with eggs but confuses me with bacon!)

Anonymous Nxx September 05, 2015 7:08 PM  

a lot of people here wouldn't like it either if university admissions were a pure meritocracy based on SATs (or other standardized cognitive tests) because Jews and Asians would dominate.

Asians maybe but Jews not so much. When it comes to elite college admissions ethnic networking plays a greater role than test scores as described by Ron Unz in his landmark study The Myth of American Meritocracy

Blogger VD September 05, 2015 7:30 PM  

Many universities including Ivy league ones would freely choose to implement affirmative action. If you're lamenting the decline of SATs, that's an implicit admission that you believe SATs mean something and are important.

No, Mr. sub-1200 SAT scorer, it is nothing of the sort. Don't be so stupid as to assume you understand what concerns me; you quite clearly don't. I could care not less about the SATs or who gets to incur massive quantities of debt to pay for five years of leftist brainwashing. I am concerned about the way the declining SAT scores indicate the average American IQ level has dropped significantly in the last 30 years.

Anonymous JI September 05, 2015 7:52 PM  

Steve Sailer and others have been pointing this out for 15 years or more, and yet, somehow, the MSM journalists just can't seem to get it. Maybe only those with low SAT scores get admitted to journalism schools.

Anonymous physphilmusic September 05, 2015 7:55 PM  

No, Mr. sub-1200 SAT scorer, it is nothing of the sort...
I am concerned about the way the declining SAT scores indicate the average American IQ level has dropped significantly in the last 30 years.


As demonstrated here, you clearly do think that the SAT means something - that it correlates with IQ. Yes, you don't care about whether it should be used in college admissions specifically - that was my misstep. Some people here certainly do seem to care though about how college admissions are decided - that was why I originally referred not to you specifically but some of the Ilk.

Blogger VD September 05, 2015 8:05 PM  

As demonstrated here, you clearly do think that the SAT means something - that it correlates with IQ. Yes, you don't care about whether it should be used in college admissions specifically - that was my misstep. Some people here certainly do seem to care though about how college admissions are decided - that was why I originally referred not to you specifically but some of the Ilk.

You seem to have an agenda. And I don't care what it is. You're wandering off on a tangent that no one gives a damn about. That was your first misstep. Telling me what I am admitting and caring about was another one.

Now, I suggest you stop trying to read minds and discern intentions and change subjects. It doesn't matter who goes to college when the average national IQ drops 10 points. It matters even less if someone else happens to care who goes to college.

Anonymous physphilmusic September 05, 2015 8:17 PM  

I'm not sure of what my agenda is, myself. I just say whatever comes to mind. As evidenced by some people replying to my original comment, some people do seem to care. If nobody does care, I wouldn't be offended nor persistent. That being said, this is your blog, so you are free to control whatever topic the discussion takes. This will be my last post on the matter.

Blogger Harsh September 05, 2015 8:24 PM  

No, I'm not accusing anyone of having said otherwise - I'm just pointing out this fact and conveying how amusing it is to me.

The "amusing to me" line usually indicates someone who's run out of arguments.

Anonymous Takin' a look September 05, 2015 9:00 PM  

"I am concerned about the way the declining SAT scores indicate the average American IQ level has dropped significantly in the last 30 years."

What's it now, around 90? That's adobe houses (not necessarily a bad thing, concrete-type homes hold up WAY better in fires and tornados among other destructive phenomenon) but probably without pcv piping for electronics and indoor plumbing.

Mexico has done an amazing job of dragging their average IQ up by ruthlessly channeling both their native and the central and south american squatmonsters to all points north. Aside from the 150 mile wide "drug and sainte meurte corridor running from tijuana to corpus christi and expanding north as far as albuquerque. Mexico is quickly becoming a "Modern Nation"

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents September 05, 2015 9:08 PM  

Maybe only those with low SAT scores get admitted to journalism schools.

For years the lowest test scores, either SAT or ACT, have tended towards certain degrees such as education. I don't know if anyone has kept track of journalism majors, but based on my experience with such people it is likely the are also in the bottom quartile of the score range.

You don't have to be smart to graduate from J-school, just diligent enough and maybe good at brown nosing a bit. And have no real curiosity.

Blogger Anthony September 05, 2015 9:28 PM  

It's not that they're dumb, though they are, it's that people on the left - even non-sjws - are invincibly ignorant about racial differences in IQ, and have a hardwired crimestop module in their brain that makes them incapable of thinking about IQ variation add it applies to anything.

Blogger Floyd Looney September 05, 2015 9:44 PM  

The schools have been dumbed down a lot, so it is not all because of immigration but they are both contributors.

Blogger Tim September 05, 2015 10:27 PM  

The ACT has been "dumbed down" twice since I took it, to the point Mensa will no longer accept it as qualification for membership. I know the SAT was dumbed down once, but has it been dumbed down more than once? Because the problem is much bigger in my opinion than is shown by the raw data.

Blogger Doom September 05, 2015 11:20 PM  

Sure, the journalists might not have had great scores, but you scored well and have an tolerably useful IQ. So, my question is this, why aren't you seeing another aspect to the problem? For many years, testing was limited to those going on into higher education, and that was reasonably limited by aptitude, IQ, and a few other things. At this point, they are trying to throw the lowest levels of academic capacity into college. I can't be sure about the numbers, but at one time, it was understood that only, say, a tenth of students were qualified and/or needed for advanced education. It was understood that the rest simply wouldn't cut it and further, weren't needed.

That alone is going to bring the numbers down. First they had to weaken competition in highschools, then they had to break admittance exams and the rest. Why do they even bother with anything at this point. It's just a transfer of taxpayer money to unqualified educators who keep teaching students, who for the most part, shouldn't even have been attempted to be educated past 8th grade. Really, academia, at this point, is a whitecollar ghetto, useful only in employing people so socially, morally, ethically, logically, and academically (at least) broken, that no one else will hire them.

I don't even think that is the start, or finish, of it. But you should realize that pumping academically incapable students through the testing will lower the grades. It was already to the point, when I was in college, that the less than solid students were being preferred. There were so many more of them, and they could be manipulated to be political drones, that they were already given preference, if milked for as much loot as possibly by the academic system as well. They were trying to get rid of qualified, even top tier, if they couldn't be manipulated to be leftists.

Anonymous Stg58 / Animal Mother #225 September 05, 2015 11:39 PM  

Physphilmusic,

My office is in the heart of Austin Texas, and I gave the breakdown of my office as an example. One more reason Asians wouldn't dominate is numbers. There aren't enough of them, even if they manage to achieve a degree of overrepresentation. That doesn't even mention the discrimination they face to California universities because they aren't black.

Anonymous Satan's Hamster September 06, 2015 1:20 AM  

@61: "Really, academia, at this point, is a whitecollar ghetto, useful only in employing people so socially, morally, ethically, logically, and academically (at least) broken, that no one else will hire them."

Yes. Academia needs to be defunded. That will throw many thousands of SJWs out of their comfortable non-jobs where they are ruining the minds of a new generation.

Obviously that will result in an increase in the homeless, as no-one else would hire them, but you can't have everything.

Anonymous Jim Milo September 06, 2015 2:18 AM  

At the standardized test gaming/prep company where I worked, the students were mostly Asians with a sprinkling of Jews, and a few WASPs, but I can't recall a single black or native. Probably because of the cost.

Fun fact: I once BTFOed a government (read:bad) lawyer that took one of my LSAT prep classes a few years later in a hearing. Bugged me for days until I remembered him. He was only applying to law school to please his bubbe.

Blogger justaguy September 06, 2015 12:21 PM  

I have to dispute VD's facts on SAT scores. We can't look across decades of SAT scores and easily find trends that simply apply to national IQ. The make-up of who took the test drastically changed over the time period meaning that more detailed statistical analysis is required. If in 1960 or even 1970, SAT takers were a much smaller percentage of the total college age cohort, some self-selection occurred. As the percentage of SAT takers (even the % of those going to college) dramatically shot up (I think due to misguided government policies), the self-selection becomes different. The older SAT scores were composed of the smarter few students who were college bound (less than 1/3 in 1970 I think). Now with large participation, we have a lower score even if one separates out by declared ethnicity. If the data is available one can statistically find indications of what VD suggests, but I don't think that the data is available (maybe because of the analysis that could result).

Yes the USA has taken in large number of people of a very different ethnicity and quite possibly much lower IQ than the small percentages of college bound youths of 1970s and before. However looking at the analysis and assumptions of the Bell Curve on assortative mating and one might argue that the is a significant population in the US that has a rising IQ. I haven't looked at the data nor found a study. I doubt anyone would want to touch the subject unless it is after retirement (like Nicholas Wade).

Anonymous Mr. Rational September 06, 2015 2:24 PM  

Why do they even bother with anything at this point. It's just a transfer of taxpayer money to unqualified educators who keep teaching students

IOW it's good for the universities and all the administrators (and SJWs) they employ, so why wouldn't you expect it to continue?  Griggs made the BS/BA the minimum acceptable credential for employability, but running that up to a master's degree is even more profitable (and weeds out even more of the people who won't toe the Marxist line).

Anonymous Mr. Rational September 06, 2015 2:26 PM  

Goddammit, the censor-bots have it in for me again.

Anonymous Mr. Rational September 06, 2015 8:49 PM  

Why do they even bother with anything at this point. It's just a transfer of taxpayer money to unqualified educators who keep teaching students

IOW it's good for the universities and all the administrators (and SJWs) they employ, so why wouldn't you expect it to continue?  Griggs made the BS/BA the minimum acceptable credential for employability, but running that up to a master's degree is even more profitable (and weeds out even more of the people who won't toe the Marxist line).

Anonymous Discard September 06, 2015 11:16 PM  

65. justaguy: In defense of Nicholas Wade, he was writing about race and intelligence when he was still employed by the New York Times. His "Before the Dawn" came out in 2006.

Anonymous Discard September 06, 2015 11:27 PM  

physphilmusic: Why shouldn't Whites want to limit the number of Orientals going to UC Berkeley? China chooses a number of it's fairly bright people to come here because it's good for China. Those selected are smarter than the average American as well as the average Chinese, and China intends for them to displace Whites. They will spy for their true homeland, and once allowed to vote, they will agitate for China's interests, just as Jews have long agitated for Israel. Why should Americans subsidize the creation of a foreign colony in our midst?

Blogger jammyjaybird September 06, 2015 11:41 PM  

Two things:

1) SAT doesn't correlate with IQ. It only correlates with family income.

2) SAT scores have been dropping for 50 years because the pool of test-takers has been widening. It's a consequence of a society that increasingly demands a bachelor's degree for entry-level work. It may be tempting to correlate with immigration, but the problem is largely one of social class.

Anonymous Luke September 07, 2015 12:11 AM  

37. physphilmusic September 05, 2015 3:48 PM

" I also lament the decline in average SAT scores; on the other hand, I've found out over the years that a lot of people here wouldn't like it either if university admissions were a pure meritocracy based on SATs (or other standardized cognitive tests) because Jews and Asians would dominate."

Asians (and for the most part, Jews) weren't the people who created U.S. universities. Neither were those universities created with their benefit in mind. Why should there be any obligation to let them in, beyond convenience/utility of those universities and the people who fund them?

Anonymous Discard September 07, 2015 12:11 AM  

70. jammyjaybird: Why is the average SAT score for Whites from families making $20-40K higher than the average SAT for Blacks from families making $200+K?

Check out Steve Sailer's blog isteve for March 15 2014.

Anonymous Mr. Rational September 07, 2015 8:36 AM  

1) SAT doesn't correlate with IQ. It only correlates with family income.

Excuse my language, but bullshit.

Blogger justaguy September 07, 2015 9:25 AM  

To follow on with Mr. Rational, #74. Not only is # 71's comment BS, wishful thinking, and basically progressive class warfare propaganda. The best discussion I've seen on this is in "The Bell Curve". I think it fills in a few gaps that the article in noted in 74 misses. Although the test keeps changing and becoming less correlated to IQ in attempts to solve the ethnicity divergence issue, it still is an relatively accurate indicator--at least if you believe in IQ which I assume jammyjaybird doesn't. That is the left's answer to the impacts of IQ on their social polices--wish it away.

Anonymous Mr. Rational September 07, 2015 4:37 PM  

justaguy, don't you know that The Bell Curve fails to confirm equalitarianism and thus be rayciss?

Anonymous BGS September 07, 2015 6:30 PM  

even with respect to the white population, SAT scores have been declining since the 1960s. College Board "reformed" the scores

Teach to the speed of the slowest student. If leftists actually believed in equality Common Core would teach math like Germany/japan but it turns out it teaches math like 70IQ average Haiti.

But, but, but, diverse, 12-yo female has the highest IQ score evah and will save the other enabled hordes.

So, what has she produced with her superior intellect? Bueller? Bueller?
A copy of the test?

"Any idea what they mean by "overhauled"? Rejiggered to favor certain groups.

Education Realist said that they took out geometry and other questions no blacks ever got right. If no nagger can get the question right it must be racist.

1SAT doesn't correlate with IQ. It only correlates with family income.

It varies by income but blacks from the richest families earing over $200,000 a year score an average of 981 while the poorest whites from families earing under $20,000 /yr score an average of 978 with better off whites leaving the richest blacks in the dust.

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