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Friday, September 18, 2015

Inside the Syrian war

One of the things I've noticed about the war in Syria is the complete failure of the media and the U.S. government to successfully establish Assad as the official bad guy. This is likely in part due to the fact that he's the guy fighting the people who are beheading Westerners on YouTube.

This interview with a young Syrian man living in Russia, who volunteered to fight in Syria for the government, is tremendously informative and punctures the Western media narrative in a number of ways.
We talked to Michel Mizah, a 25-year-old citizen of Russia and Syria, who recently returned from Damascus, where he fought in the “Shabiha” pro-government paramilitary units.

He told us what the Syrians think about the war, President Bashar Assad, the Islamic state, and the future.

Why did you decide to go to Syria?

My father is from Syria, and there we still have a lot of relatives with whom we talk to on a daily basis, basically living in two countries at once. We are Christians. My second cousin is fighting in the Syrian army, my uncle and aunt, civilians, were killed in 2012 in Kalamun.

So, each time I saw the news, I was plagued by vague uneasiness… For three years, I wanted to go there, but something always got in the way – wife, job, etc. Only now, everything came together, and I was able to go.

When the “Arab Spring” had just begun, how did your family react?

At first, my family sympathized with the protesters. But then it became obvious that the hardliners among the secular opposition work in the interests of Turkey and the Arab monarchies. Plus the course for Islamization was visible early on, and that was a concern.

Like pretty much all normal people, my family, my friends and everyone I know in Syria are strongly against Wahhabis and religious extremism in general.

In Syria, the war is not against Assad, but against civilization itself. ISIS literally keeps slaves, crucifies people, introduces medieval taxes for Christians and kills Shiites and Alawites on the spot…

Do you, personally, want to live according to Sharia law, where you would be killed for smoking or alcohol, and beaten with sticks in the town square for wearing narrow jeans? Neither do we!

And we know that would happen, if Damascus falls. In Raqqa, it’s already like that, the locals tell us. There are still buses traveling, so we know the alternative to Assad very well.

In Damascus, I met a girl, she was only 20 years old, and she spent the last three months in ISIS slavery. One of their commanders bought her as a concubine, and when he died, she was “inherited” by his successor … Relatives barely managed to buy her back.

Did you know where you’ll be going to in Damascus, was there someone waiting for you?

Of course. About two months before departure, through a friend of the family, I got in touch with my future unit commander in “Shabiha”. This is the same “Shabiha”, which the UN in 2012, accused of “crimes against humanity”.

In general, over two months, I told him about myself: Who am I, what can I do, why do I want to come, and so on … And he explained what is going on over there, what I would do, and lots more.

I would have joined the army, but my turn for mobilization comes last, since I am the only breadwinner in the family, and you can’t simply go there for a short time. My cousin is there for three years, and he can’t even see his family, because the frontline is constantly very hot.

Your militia, did it include only Syrians, or was it an international team?

People come from Lebanon and Iran, because they understand that if Syria falls, they are next. They send us military advisers and weapons … The whole “Shiite axis of evil” supports us!

As for the rest of the world, I have not seen fighters from there… It seemed to me that the Embassy of Syria in Russia does not approve of such things. Perhaps this is due to the rumors about the so-called “Russian Legion”, which a few years ago was hired by some company in St. Pete to fight for Assad [officially, to guard some pipeline or other – ed.]. But when they arrived in Damascus, the Russian diplomats protested, and the “legionnaires” were sent back home, a few were prosecuted for mercenary activities [it’s legal by Russian law to fight in a foreign war, but not to make money from it – ed.].

In general, joining the fight for Syria is only possible if one has Syrian citizenship, or there is some agreement between governments. But the Islamists – they flock to attack Syria from all corners of the world.
It's also informative in how it punctures the illusions of the multiculturalists. This is a young man who is second-generation "Russian" by their definition of ground-defined identity, and yet he was willing to go and fight and risk dying for Syria, his true nation, rather than fight for Russia. This suggests that the European nations that make the mistake of permitting the current "refugees" residence in Europe will find that their new residents imported the Middle East's wars with them.

This is something that those who think 50 million Hispanics are going to become Americans in the U.S. sense should keep in mind. They're not. And indeed, they're already claiming Los Angeles as the northern capital of Latin America.

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Blogger Dennis Freeman September 18, 2015 6:03 AM  

Thanks for bringing this up. Leaving a power vacuum in Iraq and ousting Qhadafi == super dumb. Amazingly ignorant more ridiculously foolish than the Iraq war at its worst. When will people notice the novice level incompetence or more likely malfeasance of the left?

To paraphrase Joe McCarthy... If [Obama] got something right every once in a while one could assume he was merely incompetent.

Anonymous 0007 September 18, 2015 6:04 AM  

The Am Emb in Damascus, Syria was one of my constituent posts from 2002-2005. At that time Syria was a reasonably safe country for Americans(I always took my wife with me when I had to visit there). Once we took a short car-trip north of Damascus to visit the last village of Aramaic Christians existent(gone now thanks to the nitwh). Even bought a bottle of Syrian-made whiskey there. Not any more. Another lovely place destroyed by the white-house muzbro.

Blogger ScuzzaMan September 18, 2015 6:08 AM  

As a student of 4th generation warfare, you know that the failure to establish the narrative of Assad as Bad Guy means a failure to establish the legitimacy (as the "Good Guys") of those opposing him, and that the failure of perceived legitimacy is the death-knell to any project that requires military force.

The previously successful expedient of using the most violent Islamic shocktroops as proxies in the Middle East is backfiring spectacularly, and threatening to damage the perceived legitimacy of the puppet-masters themselves.

I believe this is most of the reason for the recent softening of anti-Assad rhetoric from some sources, and the attempts to establish a new narrative with western governments as enemies of ISIS, saving Iraq and Syria from our own creation.

If only they'd read Mary Shelley...

Anonymous 0007 September 18, 2015 6:09 AM  

I should have mentioned that the border cabs at the northern border checkpoint were all '57 Chevys, mostly sedans but a couple of hardtops as well. Also there was fully restored red '57 Desoto hardtop that lived in Damascus proper. Kind of like Cuba In that respect.

Blogger Shimshon September 18, 2015 6:24 AM  

Everyone in the West pretty much automatically knows ISIS is the "bad guy" here. Even though Assad has been tarred as "bad" too by decades of somewhat effective propaganda, it becomes harder and harder to lump him in with ISIS and the Saudis. MPAI, but even idiots get the difference between Assad and ISIS. They can also see for themselves that the hordes descending on Europe are most young and male with a lotta Allah hu Akbar's going on.

Vox, how does your Supreme Malevolence see things, with Russia now entering the fray in a very big way? Is total conflict between all the participants (Israel and/or the US? Iran, Turkey, etc.), possible, probable, inevitable?

Blogger Mr.MantraMan September 18, 2015 6:30 AM  

Having the neocons on your side cannot help sway a substantial portion of the 'Murkan electorate. Neocons couldn't give away free Ben & Jerry's ice cream. Outside a rapidly declining in legitimacy donor class they have no sway anymore.

Speaking of propaganda the Islamic boy wonder clock maker and his stunt shows you how bad and shoddily produced it is these days. The kid showed up at school with a metal briefcase with wires sticking out of it and called it a clock and the media bless their hearts is doubling down on the "evil white racists hate islam" angle. Legitimacy going down faster than the HMS Hood.

Blogger Lovekraft September 18, 2015 6:31 AM  

Liberals disingenuously impose their smug values on other cultures. Extremely intolerant. They see a Assad and, for political reasons or pure cowardice, label him a tyrant because he didn't fulfill their expectations.

Thing is, anyone with half a brain know the middle east is overflowing with full-out religious nutjobs and someone like Assad knows you don't deal with them by sitting down and having milk and cookies. Another reason Obummer is a complete failure - applies US pressure based on his racial/political identity.

Blogger Lovekraft September 18, 2015 6:33 AM  

Mr Mantraman: edia bless their hearts is doubling down on the "evil white racists hate islam" angle

I read that on the same day, there was a complete security lockdown in Washington over what turned out to be a coffee mug.

Blogger VD September 18, 2015 6:37 AM  

Is total conflict between all the participants (Israel and/or the US? Iran, Turkey, etc.), possible, probable, inevitable?

Possible but unlikely. My guess is that the USA will back down. This is payback for Ukraine and they know it. They'll settle for holding on to Ukraine. They do NOT want to get into it with Iran and Hezbollah being backed by Russian anti-aircraft, not with ISIS on their flank.

If I am Netanyahu, I am backing Assad for stability's sake and telling the US to get the hell out of the region before the migrant flow gets completely out of hand and heads towards Israel. He really doesn't want to fight Russians or have images of Israeli troops firing on "poor helpless migrants" hitting the world media.

The temptation to seek greater Israel in the chaos must be strong, but now that the Russians are there, things could go horribly wrong for Israel fast.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan September 18, 2015 6:52 AM  

Think of how much energy it takes to keep Israel off the radar as far as the helpless women and children migrants issue goes or the fact that they are building a wall around their country.

God bless little plucky Israel they are delivering to us the perfect rhetorical weapons "a wall like Israel" and pictures of said wall with David Brooks' son guarding it.

Just say that over and over and over and think how much energy our shabby elite will put into trying to side track us and disqualify that rhetoric. It is 4GW our side will spend hundreds of bucks the other side will drain their coffers, and their legitimacy.

FTR I have not seen Drudge mention Coulter's remarks, and if it aint on Drudge it did not happen.

Anonymous Bz September 18, 2015 7:11 AM  


It's also informative in how it punctures the illusions of the multiculturalists. This is a young man who is second-generation "Russian" by their definition of ground-defined identity, and yet he was willing to go and fight and risk dying for Syria, his true nation, rather than fight for Russia. This suggests that the European nations that make the mistake of permitting the current "refugees" residence in Europe will find that their new residents imported the Middle East's wars with them.


It's difficult to say what the multiculturalists want. Since they hate nation states, perhaps they really don't mind what is happening. Has anyone asked Wesley Clark?

To those on the ground, it's not news that muslim "refugees" have no interest in the well-being of their host nation. For some time, they will prefer to use our countries as safe bases for their wars back in their home countries. (Indeed, we can expect the fighting to bleed over to our homes.) Next, as the "refugees" grow stronger, they will predictably claim more power and our politics will turn even more stupid and suicidal, should we continue skipping into this dead end.

I think the UK is the leading indicator of this trend, where there are slick muslim Lords, media controllers and tax-funded pro-muslim organizations already, along with their elite allies in Rotherham and elsewhere. France appears to have gone in the other direction, with their muslims mostly confined to banlieus and forming a murderous, useless welfare underclass. Other countries might be less accommodating though, particularly those being force fed right now.

The only good thing about this invasion by invitation is that it points to a massive political realignment as the euphoria wears off and Merkel and other fools turn out to be gravely mistaken in their zeal. They will prove to be wanting and will be swept away.

The only good things about multiculturalism is that it will be very easy indeed to deport the sullen strangers when the time comes. For some reason, perhaps counting on the paralysis and confusion of the other side, our elites are moving that date forward. So be it.

Blogger Daniel Többens September 18, 2015 7:12 AM  

Just two observations from Germany: First, I get the impression that many of the asylum seekers from Syria (not the fake ones) are running from draft service in Assad's army. This means that whoever will win, they will not be able to go back. Second, clashes between Kurds and Turkish nationalists are already happening in German streets, as are political rallies of both sides.

Blogger ScuzzaMan September 18, 2015 7:19 AM  

Daniel,

political rallies of the peaceful persuasion are a legitimate part of western culture.

But from what I've seen of the German police (lived here 8 years now) if you start a game of three-hand Monty with them you're going to get your ass handed to you.

As others have noted, there is a common assumption that the present restraint is a function of inherent weakness of character amongst westerners. Once the decision to go nuclear is made, that assumption will be exposed for the grave mistake it is.

(pun intended)

Blogger Mr.MantraMan September 18, 2015 7:29 AM  

Once you fully have the moral level of war on your side you can literally fire bomb cities and call it "freedom." It is not pretty but that is what it is, and god I have spent my life listening the usual tough talking contards talking about "nuking them people" all the while the moral level of war is removed from their hands and put into the hands of Obama and ilk.

Anonymous 0007 September 18, 2015 7:52 AM  

I liked the way the Irvine police chief waited until the media had gone into its full-on muzziephobia and THEN posted a picture of the actual "clock".
I wouldn't have let that f***er and his "clock" into any place I controlled either. My suggestion would be to go check out his "parents" and see what they've been teaching their little jihadist. And where they are from and how long they've been here. But then I worked in the ME for a few years....

Anonymous Stephen J. September 18, 2015 7:57 AM  

The Western media has never been very good at exploring the idea that one side can be a bad guy and yet the other be even worse. Even Kissinger's famous comment "It's a pity they can't both lose" was played as a joke a lot of the time.

Blogger Shimshon September 18, 2015 7:57 AM  

"God bless little plucky Israel they are delivering to us the perfect rhetorical weapons "a wall like Israel" and pictures of said wall with David Brooks' son guarding it."

The benefit is two-way. Once Europe starts dealing seriously with the invaders, it will give Israel cover to deal with the 50K African infiltrators in our midst.

Blogger Shimshon September 18, 2015 8:10 AM  

I have not been a fan of the wall in Judea and Samaria (aka "West Bank"), as it's a serious eyesore, completely destroys the beautiful scenery, and (I believe) provides limited benefit compared to boots on the ground (ie the second intifada only really calmed down after the army went back into areas it had previously evacuated; the wall also came AFTER). But, looking at the possibility of hordes of invaders, and seeing how effective the Sinai wall is in virtually stopping cold what was looking to be a catastrophe for us, yes, I can see the benefit of having this wall, and another against the all the exterior borders too.

Effective ones are insanely expensive. You would not believe the scale of the wall I see whenever I head to Jerusalem or back.

Blogger Guitar Man September 18, 2015 8:11 AM  

I remember shaking my head when the Arab Spring occurred. Many of my friends believed that the Middle East was finally heading into the 21st Century. The feminists (FB) believing that the women were going to realize freedom and prosperity, and the men thinking that it was our job to spread democracy to the world's ends. What a mess.

Blogger njartist September 18, 2015 8:17 AM  

The Islamic State or ISIS is a terror organization created, funded and armed by the U.S. and its allies particularly Israel, Turkey and Saudi Arabia. These U.S.-created new world order thugs trained primarily in Jordan are the exact same “rebels” who have been admittedly armed and trained by the U.S. Many of these terrorist “rebels” turned ISIS fighters are known to be visited and befriended by global terrorists like John McCain and others.

Blogger rumpole5 September 18, 2015 8:29 AM  

My mother's family came over from Germany as religious Anabaptist refugees in the early 1700's. Two centuries later, in the 1940's, they were still speaking "Pennsylvania Dutch" (German) at the dinner table. Only with World War I, when my great uncle Elmer enlisted in the army and went to Europe to fight the Huns, did the family decide not to teach German to the children. Vox is so right about the long term effects of immigration. Assimilation takes centuries to accomplish, and there is a good possibility that it never really occurs. The distinct groups just find ways to accomodate one another.

Anonymous RedJack #22 September 18, 2015 8:48 AM  

@21
My grandfather remembered the burning of the German Lutheran hymnals. I have a few he and his family hid. This was during WWI.

He never liked the state known as "Germany". My great grandfather was a Saxon, and his wife a Germano French (Saxon on the French side of the border). They all spoke German at home till they died. My father didn't learn it, but to be honest we didn't become good little Episcopal people like Wilson wanted.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan September 18, 2015 9:05 AM  

Speaking of the clock stunt Denninger is having another of his womanish fits over it

Blogger YIH September 18, 2015 9:12 AM  

@15 0007:
Sailer has a pic of that 'bomb' as well as several 'briefcase bombs' as seen in countless movies. I can see why they freaked.

Blogger YIH September 18, 2015 9:32 AM  

@23 MrMantra Man:
I wouldn't call it a womanish fit - it was handled completely wrong as a bomb threat.
Here's how a bomb threat is handled correctly, even if the results are instant abstract art.
As I've been saying for over a decade, if the muzzies ain't here, they can't be doing this crap here.

Anonymous John Regan September 18, 2015 9:34 AM  

Syria and the Assad clan are old allies of the Soviet Union, and of course now Russia. Some say the ties between the two are little more than nostalgia, others that the sole Russian Mediterranean naval base at Tartus is "essential" to Russia:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-18616191

In any case, the ties between Syria and Russia are deep and long standing. Not sure it's a good analogy to US-Latin America situation or the immigration issue.

On another level, our immigration problem (and Europe's) might ultimately be due to natural forces attending our demographic suicide:

http://www.infowars.com/top-iman-muslim-migrants-should-breed-with-europeans-to-conquer-their-countries/

And if that's true I don't know what our governments can do about it other than encourage more child bearing, which is simply not in the cards.

In the meantime the situation remains interesting, and not in a good way.

Anonymous Godfrey September 18, 2015 9:53 AM  

I was naïve back in 1989. when the Soviet Union collapsed I thought a new era of peace and prosperity was upon us. Naturally, at that young age, I was unaware of the global elite and their plans for world domination.

Now I look back upon the Soviet era with a certain amount of uncomfortable fondness. Yes, it was inevitable that their centrally planned socialist system would collapse, but they did keep things in check. There was a balance of power.

Anonymous John Regan September 18, 2015 9:53 AM  

As if on cue, a NYT article alerted to me a few minutes ago:

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/19/world/europe/us-to-begin-military-talks-with-russia-on-syria.html?emc=edit_na_20150918&nlid=62289987&ref=headline&_r=0

I don't know what the "talks" are expected to produce. Are we going to strike our breast and say mea culpa for having destabilized the Assad regime only to bring on ISIS, civil war and a refugee crisis?

Anonymous Godfrey September 18, 2015 10:00 AM  

I have to laugh when I read Obama is to blame. I agree the man is incompetent and he made things much worse, but this whole process began back under George Bush I.

The Bush family, like Obama, will go down in history as a unmitigated disaster for this nation in particular and the West in general. And now there is another one running for office. It really going to take some magic indeed to get him "elected".

Anonymous Athor Pel September 18, 2015 10:20 AM  

"21. Blogger rumpole5 September 18, 2015 8:29 AM
My mother's family came over from Germany as religious Anabaptist refugees in the early 1700's. Two centuries later, in the 1940's, they were still speaking "Pennsylvania Dutch" (German) at the dinner table
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rumpole's story provides concrete evidence how assimilation doesn't just happen. It's valuable because it's hard for us short lived humans to get a gut level understanding of how all this stuff plays out through history.

I imagine it's also pretty hard for the average American to think of all the previous waves of immigrants that came before they were born as anything other than fellow Americans. Example, how many foreign blood lines, (but US citizen), are represented in these comment threads on a daily basis. If I put in just a little effort I could come up with at least ten different nationalities. But do we think of ourselves as anything other than American? A few years ago most of us would have said, No, we're Americans.

And now we have an odd thing, recently it has become easier and easier to think of oneself as Texan or Kansan or Southern or ...whatever rather than American. Which is funny, we didn't revert to being Greek or Norwegian or Finnish or Italian or German or French or Irish but some adopted sub-region of the North American continent. It gives me hope we are on our way to building new tribes, new loyalties, numerous enough and bloody minded enough to weather what's coming.

I just wonder how much longer our self annointed earthly masters will be able to get American boys to sign up to fight for this federal government.

Anonymous PhillipGeorge©2015 September 18, 2015 10:22 AM  

Vladimir Putin wins. God's on his side.





Blogger Anthony September 18, 2015 10:28 AM  

So when will some bright guy in Europe start protesting the refugees saying "America should take refugees from America's wars"? It's the perfect rhetorical device to confuse European leftists.

Blogger skiballa September 18, 2015 10:28 AM  

@ Athor Pel,

I have to agree with your assessment, my family certainly didn't integrate when they arrived, and in fact actually fought against the the residents who tried to push them out.

It's kind of nice to see more regional identity, hopefully next time any state or territory trying to secede is allowed to do so peacefully, as it might not be worth fighting to preserve the status quo.

Blogger buwaya puti September 18, 2015 10:30 AM  

Family anecdote about Hispanics fighting for the US.
Battle of Manila, 1945
Relatives were trapped between the lines in the Benedictine convent, along with hundreds of other refugees, under bombardment. The Americans rode to the rescue in spectacular fashion when a US 1st Cavalry Division tank crashed through a convent wall, opening a way to flee. The broken part of the wall was still obvious when I was a kid. What everyone remembers, besides surviving, is that the Americans they met all spoke Spanish, being from California and New Mexico I believe.
A great uncle joined a platoon of the 8th Cavalry spontaneously, because he wanted revenge. They gave him a rifle and a helmet and he fought with them until the Cavalry were withdrawn. He joined them specifically, because they spoke Spanish.
Spanish was the lingua franca of about half of Manila back then.

Blogger buwaya puti September 18, 2015 10:33 AM  

Family anecdote about Hispanics fighting for the US.
Battle of Manila, 1945
Relatives were trapped between the lines in the Benedictine convent, along with hundreds of other refugees, under bombardment. The Americans rode to the rescue in spectacular fashion when a US 1st Cavalry Division tank crashed through a convent wall, opening a way to flee. The broken part of the wall was still obvious when I was a kid. What everyone remembers, besides surviving, is that the Americans they met all spoke Spanish, being from California and New Mexico I believe.
A great uncle joined a platoon of the 8th Cavalry spontaneously, because he wanted revenge. They gave him a rifle and a helmet and he fought with them until the Cavalry were withdrawn. He joined them specifically, because they spoke Spanish.
Spanish was the lingua franca of about half of Manila back then.

Blogger Were-Puppy September 18, 2015 10:42 AM  

@6 Mr.MantraMan
'Murkan
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Where does this come from? What is the exact meaning of using this term? Genuine curiosity here.

"Speaking of propaganda the Islamic boy wonder clock maker and his stunt shows you how bad and shoddily produced it is these days. The kid showed up at school with a metal briefcase with wires sticking out of it and called it a clock and the media bless their hearts is doubling down on the "evil white racists hate islam" angle. Legitimacy going down faster than the HMS Hood."
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This one I'm surprised this kid made it to the school alive walking around with a fake bomb. How would anybody know it was fake?

Blogger Josh September 18, 2015 10:45 AM  

I have to laugh when I read Obama is to blame. I agree the man is incompetent and he made things much worse, but this whole process began back under George Bush I.

Correct

Blogger Were-Puppy September 18, 2015 10:52 AM  

25. YIH September 18, 2015 9:32 AM
@23 MrMantra Man:
I wouldn't call it a womanish fit - it was handled completely wrong as a bomb threat.
Here's how a bomb threat is handled correctly, even if the results are instant abstract art.
As I've been saying for over a decade, if the muzzies ain't here, they can't be doing this crap here.
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And yet, I'm sure somewhere a kid is biting a pop-tart into the shape of a gun, causing the entire school district to hit the fainting couch.

Blogger ScuzzaMan September 18, 2015 11:06 AM  

@37:

There's no conflict. "This thing" began long before Bush 1.

AND, Obama is to blame.

Blogger Skylark Thibedeau September 18, 2015 11:07 AM  

Enlightenment Protestant Democracy is rarely accepted outside of Western Europe. Even Russia and Southern Europe have hard time with it. Trying to get Third World countries to embrace liberal Democracy is a waste of time. Import the 3rd world and you'll find the 3rd world will not assimilate and will destroy the middle class West.

Blogger Skylark Thibedeau September 18, 2015 11:13 AM  

It began under Truman; and Obama, Eisenhower, Kennedy, LBJ, Nixon, Ford, Reagan, Clinton, al the Bushes, and especially Carter are to blame.

Anonymous Jack Amok September 18, 2015 11:25 AM  

I have to laugh when I read Obama is to blame. I agree the man is incompetent and he made things much worse, but this whole process began back under George Bush I.

We've had nearly thirty straight years of Ivy League presidents. Wonderful, isn't it?

I'm sure somewhere a kid is biting a pop-tart into the shape of a gun

I've noticed before that SJWs and their fellow travelers have a habit of using the idiotic and unjust system they just got done creating as propaganda for how idiotic and unjust society is. The incompetent clown-show that public schools have become - especially in areas of "zero-tolerance" - is their own doing. But of course it's going to be used as proof of how racist and intolerant we are.

Blogger Danby September 18, 2015 11:46 AM  

rumpole's story provides concrete evidence how assimilation doesn't just happen.

How about this story;
My great-grandfather was a high-ranking officer in the Irish revolt of 1793. He was smuggled into the US in a fishbarrel (no, not kidding). There was a £1000 (about $150,000 in today's money) price on his head. He homesteaded in the howling wilderness of the North Woods, in what is now Michigan.

He married late,as the Irish do, to a much younger woman. When the civil war came along, all 5 of his sons signed up, three of them helping to organize volunteer regiments, one rising to the rank of General, and later elected to Congress. While hatred for the English is perhaps hereditary (you should hear my sister on the subject), never in 5 generations was a finger lifted to help Ireland in her further struggles. Siding with the IRA, even rhetorically, as a child would have earned a beating.

The difference? He turned his back on Ireland and the Irish, because the Irish had betrayed him. He had staked his life to try to regain Ireland her freedom, and it turned out that not many of the Irish actually wanted freedom, at least not enough to risk their position to gain it. So he went to the freest place in the world, where he could be his own master and prosper or fail by his own hand.

Blogger Danby September 18, 2015 11:48 AM  

Sorry, missed a great in great-great-grandfather

Anonymous Bz September 18, 2015 11:56 AM  

By chance I today happened upon a copy of Huntington's famous Clash of Civilizations paper from 1993. Certainly worth re-reading.

Anonymous Godfrey September 18, 2015 12:06 PM  

@39

True, we can take all the way back to Adam and the fall of man.

I do remember a small window of hope when the Soviet system collapsed, but George Bush I and the Neo-Conservatives slammed it shut and chose the current path. So now behold their world in all its horrid splendor.

Blogger Scott Rassbach September 18, 2015 1:21 PM  

This suggests that the European nations that make the mistake of permitting the current "refugees" residence in Europe will find that their new residents imported the Middle East's wars with them.

Anyone with a knowledge of history knows this is true. The Irish came to America, and sent money to the IRA, sometimes in preference to feeding their families here. Here they could purchase weapons and train, and then return to the conflict in Ireland or Northern Ireland, as time went on.

There's no reason to think various other nationalities won't do the same thing.

Blogger Curtis September 18, 2015 1:22 PM  

others that the sole Russian Mediterranean naval base at Tartus is "essential" to Russia

No. And US/NATO is pissed that Russia annexed Crimea, saving its Black Sea Fleet, because of dumbocracy?

It is "essential" for US/NATO.

Anonymous BGS September 18, 2015 1:44 PM  

They can also see for themselves that the hordes descending on Europe are most young and male with a lotta Allah hu Akbar's going on.

When the border fence was attacked with people yelling Alley Akbas the Carlos Slims and 5 jewish family media only showed video close ups of a couple women/kids.

the media bless their hearts is doubling down on the "evil white racists hate islam" angle. Legitimacy going down faster than the HMS Hood

I have been to a middle east oil nation and I agree with Bathhouse Barry and Zuckborg that the kid is a genius for a moslem. Just like Sotomayor is the smartest latrina in the US but was not in the top 20% of her high school class.

It's difficult to say what the multiculturalists want. Since they hate nation states, perhaps they really don't mind what is happening

The destruction of all culture. Wikieleaks released the Rivkin data.
http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2011/05/14/in-honor-of-french-reader-understanding-the-rivkin-project/

Blogger Dennis Freeman September 18, 2015 1:49 PM  

@42 @37

I wasn't trying to be funny, nor am I uninformed.

Thought puzzle, Ike (no confidence spelling Eisenhower) pulls us out of Germany post WWII (ignoring all of the billions of things that could have stopped that stupid conflict.) What happens? Current situation but worse, each president, generation, session of congress, and picosecond has its own set of correct and incorrect actions. Going back to Adam Eve, Jacob / Ishmael; Jacob / Esau; Han / Jabba is irrelevant. Go back up the decision tree to find the last big eff up. That's what I was doing. Of course each individual usually thinks they are doing the right thing. Bush is too Hamiltonian perhaps but Obama is too post rational knee jerk Marxist (more so than any of the Bushes are evangelical.)

Yeah Ivy league sure has done a lot of good for the world!!!! Yeesh even in the 1800's they were Paul Ehrlich before it was cool White supremacist eugenic demagogic fucktards the lot of them, up to Teddy R. and Wilson.

I prefer Texas A&M (better jokes and they are actually funny unlike Harvard/Yale's jokes like Obama, Bush, Yalta ad genocide)
Texas A&M signed the greatest man who ever lived and backed him in the Green Revolution which was fought Tooth and Nail by the SJWs of the time. Taught the world how to keep Mexico, India, and China fed!
Every school child is taught about FDR, JFK, Rachel Carson etc. they are not taught about a man who has objectively done more good than pretty much anyone else in history.

Blogger VD September 18, 2015 2:15 PM  

Texas A&M signed the greatest man who ever lived and backed him in the Green Revolution which was fought Tooth and Nail by the SJWs of the time. Taught the world how to keep Mexico, India, and China fed!

That's not done playing out. Many may well curse his name in the future.

Anonymous Steve Brown VFM#0273 September 18, 2015 2:19 PM  

@29 Godfrey
So, I assume you think the liberation of Kuwait was a waste of our time. Also, going after Saddam Hussein & Osama bin Laden, and succeeding I might add, was just plain asinine.

Well, please pray tell us what you would have done after the World Trade Center and Pentagon were attacked and we lost almost 3000 souls on one day?

Anonymous Adam1 September 18, 2015 2:24 PM  

@21,22,30,33,43. I learned the truth about `unassimilation` the hard way this past summer in ND. Keyword: `Raubritter`.

Blogger frigger611 September 18, 2015 2:25 PM  

I lived in downtown Los Angeles for 2 years. When people asked me where I lived, I told them that I lived in northern Mexico - half-jokingly, because that's how I felt.
Now I see that my impression was no joke, the Aztecs are looking at it more seriously.
BTW, I am glad to be back in Kentucky.

Anonymous Discard September 18, 2015 2:34 PM  

52. Steve Brown: After the World Trade Center and the Pentagon were destroyed, we could have said, "All right, we're even. You Ragheads stay over there, and we'll stay out of your sandbox".

And how many of those 3000 dead were worth a shit? "World Trade Center" means "Exporters of manufacturing technology and jobs". The Ragheads did us a favor. Honestly, when I first heard about it I didn't give a shit until I heard about all the dead firemen.

Anonymous Steve Brown VFM#0273 September 18, 2015 2:36 PM  

@37 Josh
You are welcome to the fray. Answer my question @52 that I posed to Godfrey.

Anonymous Curious September 18, 2015 2:37 PM  

And, those adopted citizens may do to their new country what adopted son did to his adoptive mother.

Or, maybe it was just Spooner.

Blogger Dennis Freeman September 18, 2015 2:49 PM  

@51 That's not done playing out. Many may well curse his name in the future.

Not his fault if Political and Cultural stupidity along with dumbass USA F.P. aligned to re-screw the world, there are countries which have been pulled technologically back from a Malthusian crisis... But screwed over by Political and Cultural bullcrap. Along with SJW (Nixon,Carter) US administrations as well as SJW Marxist UN

Anonymous BGS September 18, 2015 2:50 PM  

So, I assume you think the liberation of Kuwait was a waste of our time.

Yes moslem nation was wiped off the map by a secular power that allowed Christians, jews, and gays to live in peace only to be put back on the map to throw a healthcare traveler male nurse into jail for drinking a bottle of water during a 100+ degree day, that if he was a moslem could have cited medical necessity to avoid jail. Foreign travel nurses in moslem oil nations stay in compounds with relaxed standards, women can wear cloths their great-grandmothers wore.

I first heard about it I didn't give a shit until I heard about all the dead firemen

No female first responders died or injured on 911. NYC is too PC to tell why but in Katrina 1/3 of cops that abandoned their posts turned out to be majority Vagina-Americans.

Blogger frigger611 September 18, 2015 3:00 PM  

NYC is too PC to tell why but in Katrina 1/3 of cops that abandoned their posts turned out to be majority Vagina-Americans. - BGS

This gave me a chuckle, but can you cite a better stat? The awkward wording here would imply that 2/3 who abandoned their posts would be male, not exactly glowing praise.

So I am thinking that the situation is a greater problem if we know what % of the force was female in the first place - if something like "women make up 10% of the force, but represented 33% of the shirkers of duty" then the females were far more likely to surrender their responsibilities than men.

Thank you, BGS

Blogger SirHamster (#201) September 18, 2015 3:05 PM  

I've noticed before that SJWs and their fellow travelers have a habit of using the idiotic and unjust system they just got done creating as propaganda for how idiotic and unjust society is. The incompetent clown-show that public schools have become - especially in areas of "zero-tolerance" - is their own doing. But of course it's going to be used as proof of how racist and intolerant we are.

Leftist Perpetual Motion machine.

1. Claim problem.
2. Create government program to address problem.
3. Program creates more problems.
4. GOTO 1

Anonymous BGS September 18, 2015 3:08 PM  

Sorry 1/3 of all cops abandoned their posts during Katrina and most of those that ran away like little girls turned out to be women. Many women's organizations fought for them to not have any consequences for abandoning their posts. That's 10yo data it would be a pain to dig up. But here is black musicans that got free houses managed to destroy them in 10 years. http://www.wwltv.com/story/news/2014/09/04/14608750/

Anonymous patrick kelly September 18, 2015 3:23 PM  

@52 "So, I assume you think the liberation of Kuwait was a waste of our time. Also, going after Saddam Hussein & Osama bin Laden, and succeeding I might add, was just plain asinine."

I certainly do, for the most part. Iraq wars, both I and II, were disastrous, unnecessary, cluster fuck failures. This is in hindsight as I was totally opposed to I, and tentatively supported II.

"Well, please pray tell us what you would have done after the World Trade Center and Pentagon were attacked and we lost almost 3000 souls on one day?"

Hunted down whoever was responsible, their immediate families and friends 3 or 4 degrees deep, and no quarter to anyone who opposed us or got in our way. The evidence for Saddam and Iraq fitting that criteria is pathetically weak.

Going into AStan as a base of operations to do so was understandable. We should have played the "with us or against us" card good and hard with PStan and anyone else in the region.

But we didn't, because the merkin' PTB are in bed with a bunch of the sorry fucks over there.

Blogger frigger611 September 18, 2015 3:23 PM  

"Sorry 1/3 of all cops abandoned their posts during Katrina and most of those that ran away like little girls turned out to be women."

OK, got it, that makes much more sense, thanks for the clarification.

In my younger days, just 20 years ago, I worked as an electrician "in the projects" of Cincinnati, so the city invested millions of $$$ and we rehabbed whole apartment villages - all new wiring, windows, tile, carpet, paint, sod, etc.

As we finished units, people would move in. They'd nail up bedsheets right after their pit bulls and Rotts tore up all the new blinds that had been installed on the new windows.

The residents would call us to change light bulbs and to press the little button on the GFCI outlet.

Walking into a recently occupied unit nearly destroyed after only 2 or 3 weeks with a new "resident" (on the public dole of course) was heartbreaking, and gave me a more fatalistic view of humanity. All that work shot to hell, we all new this project would go right back to slum conditions.

Those buildings are once again all shuttered, covered in graffiti, broken windows everywhere. A total loss.

My naivete left me long ago. I refuse to have the feelbadz when anyone of these people complain about how terrible it is to live in "the hood." The conditions of any "hood" is a direct reflection on the behavior of those who inhabit it.

And the fact that I am racist no matter WHAT I do (if I don't invest in "the community" I am racist, if I do invest in "the community" I am driving poor minorities out with my "gentrification," so again racist).

Get's very tiring. But I'll take a look at your link, I am in a good mood today and want to be depressed!

Blogger Josh September 18, 2015 3:28 PM  

You are welcome to the fray. Answer my question @52 that I posed to Godfrey.

Look man, your takes aren't hot enough to melt steel beams.

Blogger Dennis Freeman September 18, 2015 3:48 PM  

OT, VD...

FWIW Love your book!
Thanks a million, one critique it's so NerdCore but you know, duh of course it is. However SJWs have been using these tactics and screwing with us, since time immemorial. Could you cut out your Dialectic/Rhetoric piece similar to your survival guide in a PDF? I think that would be awesome for the codger and fogie class.

Anonymous Steve Brown VFM#0273 September 18, 2015 4:33 PM  

@63 patrick kelly
The liberation of Kuwait slapped and stopped the dictator Saddam. The invasion of Iraq, I agree, should have been stopped after the first 18 months. But, both the world approved (UN), also allies and Congress, so I guess the case was much more than pathetically weak.

As we did after Kuwait, after Iraq, we should have spent a year bring our material home so as not to provide ISIS with transportation and arms.

Thanks for the response.

Anonymous Steve Brown VFM#0273 September 18, 2015 4:46 PM  

@65 Josh
So, your Royal Highness, you are telling me I have to burn your castle down and kill all of your friends before you will talk to me?

Your response was such a nice and courteous one that all here should learn from it. Wow.

Anonymous patrick kelly September 18, 2015 5:06 PM  

@67 "The liberation of Kuwait slapped and stopped the dictator Saddam."

Yeah, we eventually managed to destroy a relatively stable, prosperous, secular nation and create huge vacuums for the likes of ISIS to fill all over the ME without anyone to stop them.

That is pathetic and evil. I will never fly the US flag again, you'll only see the ROT lone star at my place from now to eternity. Merka is now the evil empire.

Anonymous Adam1 September 18, 2015 5:14 PM  

A little more on @53. 1. LK. 3:2b,3...the Word of God came to John the son of Zacharias in the wilderness. And he came into all the country about Jordan, preaching the baptism of repentance for the remission of sin... LK.3:14. And the soldiers likewise demanded of him saying, And what shall we do? And he said unto them, Do no violence to no man, neither accuse any falsely; be content with your wages. 2. Strong`s Exhaustive Concordance for `do violence`: #1286-diaseio. to shake thoroughly, violently, i.e. (fig)to intimidate:- do violence to. 3. The Wycliffle Bible Commentary: 14. And the soldiers likewise. Soldiers were often brutal to civilians, and practiced extortion upon them. Do violence to no man. The Greek word for `do violence` (diaseisete) means ``to shake down``, an ancient counterpart of modern slang. 4. Now some may say, ``Wait, this applies to soldiers not cops.`` 2000 years ago, there was little difference between them. In peacetime professional soldiers doubled as police. Consider the Praetorian Guard. They were soldiers, police, and firemen. 5. The act of `civil forfeiture/raubritter` by police involves three transgressions of the Big Ten (Ex. 20). First, X: `Thou shalt not covet... anything that is thou neighbor`s`. They see your stuff and want it. Second, IX: `Thou shalt not bear false witness against your neighbor. ``Look``, they say, `` It`s `illegal` for you to have that, so if you give it up without a fuss, we won`t arrest or charge you.`` Third, VIII: `Thou shalt not seal`. They take your stuff. Resist- and they`re all too happy to transgress the VI! 6. Ex. 22:21-24. `Thou shalt vex a stranger, nor oppress him...If you afflict them in anywise,...I will surely hear their cry; And my wrathshall wax hot, and I will kill you with the sword...7. diaseio/diaseisete- I guess there`s no universal rules for transliteration.

OpenID josephpmartino September 18, 2015 5:22 PM  

I spent two semesters as a visiting professor in Turkey (Marmara School of Engineering). When I asked Turkish friends where they came from, some answered places in southern Europe. In fact, it had been their grandparents who were thrown out of southern Europe after World War I. They were the second or third generation living in Turkey, but still thought of themselves as coming from Serbia or some such place.

Blogger Josh September 18, 2015 6:04 PM  

So, your Royal Highness, you are telling me I have to burn your castle down and kill all of your friends before you will talk to me?

Your response was such a nice and courteous one that all here should learn from it. Wow.


Dude, lighten up. It was a joke.

To answer your question, I have no problem with going after OBL and others involved in the 9/11 attacks. I don't think that an open ended authorization for a global war on terror is in US interests.

Blogger Curtis September 18, 2015 6:11 PM  

@65.

9/11 Myths Exposed By Firefighters, Architects & Engineers.

https://youtu.be/57kdlbdYILM

Experts in Structural Engineering, Physics, Chemistry, and History give researched and professional testimony.

https://youtu.be/xqqelDq4P48

Follow the money.

https://youtu.be/n3xgjxJwedA

But, but the 911 Commission!!!

Fire Fighters For 911 Truth And Unity

http://ff911truthandunity.org/investigation

Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth

http://www.ae911truth.org/

Anonymous patrick kelly September 18, 2015 6:19 PM  

You don't have to believe 911 was an "inside job" to have reasonable skepticism about the official narrative. IMAO the US gov't was played and punkd....still is....

Blogger Curtis September 18, 2015 6:33 PM  

Every link I provided SCREAMS inside job.

Crap, I knew it was an inside job when the SECOND tower collapsed.

Take 4 hours of your day, throw away everything you have been told and/or believe, and watch and listen.

By the way: In the 2nd video up there, for you emotional types, maybe you should start at the 1 hour and 46 minute point to be psychoanalyzed for few minutes before you start at the beginning.

Anonymous SS September 18, 2015 8:24 PM  

Curtis

Nutter

Blogger Michael Brown September 18, 2015 8:45 PM  

As the Obama administration begins to allow into the US tens of thousands of Syrian Muslims it looks like Syrian Christians will not be given refuge here. Just Muslims. Same in Pakistan, we help Muslims but not Christians.
http://www.persecution.org/2015/09/14/archbishop-says-government-is-discriminating-against-christian-syrian-refugees/
http://www.persecution.org/2015/09/10/christian-leader-in-pakistan-begs-west-to-open-doors-to-persecuted-pakistani-christians/

Blogger BunE22 September 18, 2015 8:51 PM  

@55
"And how many of those 3000 dead were worth a shit? "World Trade Center" means "Exporters of manufacturing technology and jobs". The Ragheads did us a favor. Honestly, when I first heard about it I didn't give a shit until I heard about all the dead firemen."

My husband lost a good friend from HS in that attack. My husband's uncle was one of the cement workers when the towers were built. Our niece worked in one of the nearby buildings and for hours no one knew if she was alive or dead because cell calls couldn't go through. We knew a few people who had to walk home from Manhattan and it took them hours. My children had friends pulled out of class that day so they could be informed that their mother or father was likely dead. We could see the smoke from where we live. Those firemen died doing their jobs, I'm sorry for their loss but their families can be proud.

Maybe if something like that hits close to home for you it will change the way think, maybe not, but I can hope. This is me restraining myself, because what I'd really like to say to you here would get me banned.

Anonymous Steve Brown VFM#0273 September 18, 2015 11:49 PM  

Vox,
Both BumE22 @78 & I would like you to discard Discard. Thank you in advance.

Blogger Were-Puppy September 19, 2015 1:12 AM  

@69 patrick kelly
@67 "The liberation of Kuwait slapped and stopped the dictator Saddam."

Yeah, we eventually managed to destroy a relatively stable, prosperous, secular nation and create huge vacuums for the likes of ISIS to fill all over the ME without anyone to stop them.

That is pathetic and evil. I will never fly the US flag again, you'll only see the ROT lone star at my place from now to eternity. Merka is now the evil empire.
----

While observing the drama, I can't help but remember GWB was from Texas.

Blogger Were-Puppy September 19, 2015 1:14 AM  

@70 Adam1

Your post has come out as an impressive Wall O' Text.

Anonymous Discard September 19, 2015 2:31 AM  

BunE22 and Steve Brown: I may as well add that, after I saw how firemen across the country started beating their chests over the Heroes of 9-11 and demanding fat pay increases, I lost sympathy for them too. That indifference turned to contempt when the NYFD started banging the drum for more money for the families of their dead, beyond the usual life insurance payout. They're no deader than anybody else, and no more heroic than the average fireman who gets killed by falling off a ladder.

Go peddle your sob stories elsewhere. My mommy and daddy are dead too. I got over it.

Anonymous LurkingPuppy September 19, 2015 3:00 AM  

@70: 7. diaseio/diaseisete- I guess there`s no universal rules for transliteration.

There is some variation in transliteration from Greek, but that's inflection (i.e. those are different forms of the word in the original Greek, both written and spoken). I would expect, based on what I know about Latin, that “diaseio” means “I shake down” (i.e. it's the first-person present active indicative form) and “diaseisete” means “to shake down” (i.e. it's the infinitive); check a Greek grammar for yourself if you want to be sure.

Blogger Carl Philipp September 19, 2015 9:45 AM  

@82 Which do you despise more, the dead firefighters who committed the crime of being posthumously praised too much by other people, or the little Eichmanns that worked there? Please, we are all so very interested to hear more about your lack of sympathy and the reasons thereof.

Anonymous Discard September 19, 2015 3:18 PM  

84. Carl Philippe: I don't despise the 9-11 dead firemen (not "firefighters) in particular, I simply lost respect for firemen as a whole when I saw them, all across the country, exploiting the deaths of the NYFD. "9-11, Waaaahh, 9-11, we need a big raise, 9-11!!"

"9-11" is the fireman's' equivalent of "Gibs me dat".

OpenID ymarsakar September 21, 2015 9:23 AM  

ISIL came out of Syria and is a result of Hussein O's State Department running black ops funding and training them, with connections to Syria, Libya, Egypt, Qatar, etc.

It's not the result of Bush II invading Iraq or nor even the Left's sabotage of the American war there and in Afghanistan.

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