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Monday, September 14, 2015

It's already on the way

As Glenn Reynolds notes, "this column about  “THE NEXT GENOCIDE,” kind of misses the point:"
BEFORE he fired the shot, the Einsatzgruppe commander lifted the Jewish child in the air and said, “You must die so that we can live.” As the killing proceeded, other Germans rationalized the murder of Jewish children in the same way: them or us....

When mass killing is on the way, it won’t announce itself in the language we are familiar with. The Nazi scenario of 1941 will not reappear in precisely the same form, but several of its causal elements have already begun to assemble.

It is not difficult to imagine ethnic mass murder in Africa, which has already happened; or the triumph of a violent totalitarian strain of Islamism in the parched Middle East; or a Chinese play for resources in Africa or Russia or Eastern Europe that involves removing the people already living there; or a growing global ecological panic if America abandons climate science or the European Union falls apart.

Today we confront the same crucial choice between science and ideology that Germans once faced. Will we accept empirical evidence and support new energy technologies, or allow a wave of ecological panic to spread across the world?

Denying science imperils the future by summoning the ghosts of the past.
Or, you know, the invasion of Europe by millions of Muslims. Or the invasion of the USA by tens of millions of third-worlders. Either of them strike me as considerably more likely candidates than a Chinese play for resources in Eastern Europe.

However, until this summer, I would have said that the Chinese play for Africa was the most likely one. The Europeans will probably be content to simply engage in a second Reconquista and the Chinese make the KKK look like the Anti-Defamation League. It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if the Chinese resorted to genetic warfare in Africa; I very much doubt the African invasion of Europe is leading them to believe that coexistence in a Chinese-colonized Africa is possible, let alone desirable.

Nationalism isn't an evil. Nationalism and homogenous populations is what protects societies from horrors most people can't even imagine.

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Blogger JWM September 14, 2015 12:10 PM  

"or a growing global ecological panic if America abandons climate science ..."
Because global warming is right up there with the destruction of Europe, nuclear war and global jihad.


JWM VFM#404

Blogger RobertT September 14, 2015 12:14 PM  

You know, I have obviously missed a large part of this ecological debate. In my surroundings, even my internet surroundings, which is relatively mainstream, ecological tragedy is not a large item on anyone's agenda. I don't know a soul who thinks we're headed for disaster. As far as I know, they think the whole thing is the same as everything that comes out of the mouths of the elite. God save us from a government that proceeds against the will of the governed. And God save them if we ever get our hands on them.

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Blogger frigger611 September 14, 2015 12:19 PM  

The NYT writer is a twit who declares that the world will be OK if only we all adopt HIS religion (and it is a religion) of statism/leftism/marxism/feminism/science fetishism.

His religion is NOT to be attacked and is to be supported by the state and men with guns. It gets a free pass on the whole "separation of church and state" line of BS only because it is not recognized as a religion, not seen for what it is.

So it's a religion/non-religion that has ruined more lives, produced more heretics and has burned more witches than all the Inquisitions ever did.

Anonymous Steve, The Dark Ninja of Mockery September 14, 2015 12:24 PM  

BEFORE he fired the shot, the Einsatzgruppe commander lifted the Jewish child in the air and said, “You must die so that we can live.” [...]

It is not difficult to imagine [...] growing global ecological panic if America abandons climate science


Holy shit.

Is there anything global warming can't do?

Toyota Priuses stop Holocausts. Who knew?

Anonymous kh123 September 14, 2015 12:25 PM  

"Denying science imperils the future by summoning the ghosts of the past."

Might as well have been: Denying bailouts imperils the global economy by summoning the ghosts of the Depression. Krugman still works there, right.

Besides tanks in the streets, what I want to know is how this will force cats and dogs to live together.

Blogger Dan in Tx September 14, 2015 12:26 PM  

Well, I'm not sure if the author is a Jew or not but I see from his profile he's married to a Jew. Close enough I suppose, considering he opened up right away with "Muh Holocaust".

Anonymous Discard September 14, 2015 12:27 PM  

Repatriating sub-Saharans could serve as a pretext for blocking China on the Dark Continent.

Blogger Peter P. VFM #438 September 14, 2015 12:28 PM  

"Nationalism isn't an evil. Nationalism and homogenous populations is what protects societies from horrors most people can't even imagine."

Can i get some examples on this? Historical or otherwise.

Anonymous Discard September 14, 2015 12:29 PM  

Dan in Texas: The only Snyders I've know have been Jews, FWIW.

Blogger Giraffe September 14, 2015 12:30 PM  

However, until this summer, I would have said that the Chinese play for Africa was the most likely one.

No reason we can't have both. While the west is dealing with our self inflicted problems, the Chinese could decide to take advantage of the distraction.

Anonymous Curious September 14, 2015 12:33 PM  

Repatriating sub-Saharans could serve as a pretext for blocking China on the Dark Continent.

I think they are too interested in completing the looting of Russia and all those minerals in Russian territory.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan September 14, 2015 12:38 PM  

Snyder also laments the fading of the Holocaust as a religious experience. I look at the global warming movement as the priest cult of the left for non-Jewish whites. Where they get their turn as the wise leaders, but Snyder wants in on it since it seems the rising tide of the glorious people of color give two shits about the Holocaust and Snyder needs a job.

OpenID basementhomebrewer September 14, 2015 12:56 PM  

So, Science the thing that was used to justify the holocaust, is going to be what saves us from a future holocaust?

Blogger Floyd Looney September 14, 2015 12:59 PM  

"Global warming-cooling" is just garbage. Yes, clear cutting forests is a tragedy, wiping out whole species is a shame, insane amounts of pollution cannot be good but this whole climate thing is as bogus as a 3-dollar bill.

The barbarian invasions are an immediate and real threat.

Anonymous Stickwick September 14, 2015 1:03 PM  

Vox, Roosh speculates that Europe is on a permanent downward trajectory and will probably never recover from this latest invasion. You appear to take the cyclical view of things, since this is the pattern of human history, and believe that Europe will try to purge the invaders. The two views are not necessarily incompatible -- it's pretty obvious that human history is cyclical, but then again empires do fall, never to rise again. Do you believe Roosh is wrong and that Europeans will be successful in reclaiming Europe from the invaders?

Anonymous Stickwick September 14, 2015 1:08 PM  

...or a growing global ecological panic if America abandons climate science or the European Union falls apart.

This is painfully stupid. Even if "climate science" wasn't junk science, anything the West could try to do to mitigate climate change would be meaningless considering what China and India are doing.

Blogger Kull September 14, 2015 1:10 PM  

Can i get some examples on this? Historical or otherwise.

There are numerous examples in history of mass violence between two or more groups occupying the same real estate. Typically people live in peace while under the thumb of a strong elite, the Ottoman Sultanate for example, and when that is gone it becomes a free for all, generally due to extreme lack of trust. The artificial borders drawn all over Africa basically made it inevitable. Suddenly, in the absence of colonial powers, two or more tribes had the arena of the nation state in which to compete, the prize being the wealth and resources within those lines on the map. Often the stage was set earlier by the colonials, setting one group against another. The French and the Alawites in Syria, or the Maronites in Lebanon are a good example. Both minorities set against a larger majority to facilitate outside rule. Whether outside powers were involved or not, history has shown that violence ensues after the loss of the central power. Once the liberal reign is over, inevitable as they don't breed, America will see its own round of communal violence. Perhaps earlier, if people are pushed enough, but inevitable nonetheless. The simple fact is that communal violence doesn't happen in states with only one community, or only one truly dominant community. How a state reaches that point, how they maintain it, how they enforce it, all of that is up for debate. The inevitability of violence is not.

Extremely Violent Societies

This is a decent book on the subject. Get it from a library. With the exception of the massacre of Indonesian communists, which wasn't very community organized, not majority on minority, I think most examples in the book follow the paradigm.

Sorry if that rambling mess doesn't hit the mark for you.

Blogger luagha September 14, 2015 1:11 PM  

On a lighter note, I just saw the movie 'Turbo Kid' last night. If you have played Fallout 3 and Fallout: New Vegas, that's the movie.

Post-apocalyptic wasteland, future tech, struggles for water, comedic blood and guts violence - I could go on but I don't want to ruin it. It's playing through various arthousey type places now and you can enjoy what life will look like after the fall. Put the catastrophes on hold for a few hours and come back refreshed.

Anonymous anonymous coward September 14, 2015 1:11 PM  

the world will be OK if only we all adopt HIS religion (and it is a religion) of statism/leftism/marxism/feminism/science fetishism.
This religion is called Gnosticism. It's been around forever. Some say there's even oblique references to it in the New Testament.

So it's a religion/non-religion that has ruined more lives, produced more heretics and has burned more witches than all the Inquisitions ever did.
Well, yes. The history of Europe is a history of mind-blowing atrocities committed in a thousand years of bloody struggle between Gnosticism and orthodox Christianity.

(Fun fact: the pejoratives 'maniac' and 'bugger' both refer to two influential Gnostic sects of their time. I wonder if 'progressive' will be an insult in 500 years.)

I think they are too interested in completing the looting of Russia and all those minerals in Russian territory.
Top kek. It's mindblowing how retarded is the Western understanding of Eurasian history and politics. Read up on Asian history, anything from Genghis Khan to Khalkhin-Gol. In a Russia-China uneasy alliance, it's not the Russians who should be worrying.

Anonymous HardReturn¶ September 14, 2015 1:12 PM  

Must have been written for his ADD audience, with Godwin's Law appearing in first sentence.

Blogger Chris Mallory September 14, 2015 1:13 PM  

@16 Roosh is an invader himself. In a sane world he would be buggering goats on a mountain in Armenia. Of course he is going to talk up the invasion. He knows his head will be on a pike if things go bad for invading immigrants.

Anonymous Jack Amok September 14, 2015 1:13 PM  

Is there anything global warming can't do?

Toyota Priuses stop Holocausts. Who knew?


Well, they do tend to limit the effective radius when you have to stop and recharge your troop transport's battery every 100 miles or so.

Blogger epobirs September 14, 2015 1:15 PM  

The author's 'Bloodlands' was a very good account of the Ukraine under first Stalin and then Hitler but he seems to have reality issues when it comes to more modern matters.

Saying the Germans were anti-science is the height of absurdity. This was a nation that was leading the world in many scientific fields in the early 20th Century. The simple fact is that the Green Revolution was still decades hence in 1928 and control of arable lands was a realistic concern. Hypothetical new technologies cannot be the basis of government planning. For the same reason you don't want the government deciding when a technology is good enough or mature. Imagine if the personal computer was a spec defined by a government agency. We don't have to imagine it actually. Look at the French MiniTel. When it was new it was a marvelous and forward thinking initiative. But it went over a decade with little significant change and was grotesquely obsolete by the time it was shut down in favor of the web on genuinely personal computers, a service made into a consumer product by independent businesses rather than government.

A historian might be well advised to stick to those areas where hindsight can be effectively applied. Making bets on undelivered technology or a predictive science that has no successes on its tally sheet is not a good approach to policy making. At the same time, government needs to be flexible enough to make use of new technologies when they do appear. A leviathan bureaucracy does not favor this.

Anonymous Bz September 14, 2015 1:16 PM  

"a growing global ecological panic if America abandons climate science or the European Union falls apart."

Ridiculous neurotic navel gazing.

Though the EU might well fall apart, I doubt ecological panic will be on anyone's mind except for the bien-pensants. It's also possible we could see countries like Sweden fall apart if things go south (north?) hard and fast. That could be more exciting. In both the EU and the Swedish cases, I think the mechanism would be that the participants or local governments simply stop paying attention to the central power, which soon realizes it lacks the resources to enforce its will. (Or perhaps we would see NATO action against Germany? I take it back, that would be interesting.)

Blogger Vincent Castrillo September 14, 2015 1:17 PM  

" Nationalism isn't an evil. Nationalism and homogenous populations is what protects societies from horrors most people can't even imagine."

Very much this.

This is what the West has forgotten over the last 100 years. No one ever asks themselves "why are there countries in the first place". If we are all the same, wouldn't the easiest thing to do to bring about the cumbaya of the whole world be simply to remove the imaginary lines of borders?? One can easily drive from Houston to Mexico and considering the peoples of both places are increasingly close to the same, why do we need a massive border? Why would there be war if Nigeria and China were the same country? We don't have different countries for Alabama and Mississippi and they don't kill each other.

But alas this is how most of the world thinks. They are stupid. That's the entire explanation. No malice required. Sheer stupidity. There is a reason people live in ghettos, suburbs, gated communities, etc. It's because there is just enough police protection and political cover to allow this set up to function. Remove enough political cover, effective police, and allow one side to do whatever they want and quickly the suburbs become unlivable. Everyone starts hiring guards like in SA to patrol their new gated communities. Social trust, low already, evaporates and so stores become hyper local and restrictive. Finally armed resistance surfaces where the target become skin color. Plain and simple. Countries have appeared for less than this as a way of keeping the other out and for the violence to stop.

Blogger Peter P. VFM #438 September 14, 2015 1:18 PM  

@18
I will take a look. Thanks for the info.

Anonymous Steve, The Dark Ninja of Mockery September 14, 2015 1:21 PM  

The war that brought Jews under German control was fought because Hitler believed that Germany needed more land and food to survive and maintain its standard of living — and that Jews, and their ideas, posed a threat to his violent expansionist program.

This isn't - what's the word? - true though, is it?

Hitler didn't hate the Jews because they were an obstacle to German expansionism. He hated them because he thought they were an existential enemy of the German people.

You know, Rosa Luxembourg and all that.

Does nobody read history any more?

The quest for German domination was premised on the denial of science.

Eh? What kind of arse-felching cuntybollocks is this? The Nazis were mad keen on science. You could say they fucking loved science, especially eugenics, rocketry and aeronautics.

Hitler’s alternative to science was the idea of Lebensraum. Germany needed an Eastern European empire because only conquest, and not agricultural technology, offered the hope of feeding the German people.

This is as dishonest as Bruce Jenner tucking his dangly old-man balls into a ladies swimsuit.

Lebensraum was based on science - Malthusian (and Darwinian) science. Which is exactly the same shit that underlies the global warming doomsday cult. I mean, it's in the very next paragraph, for fuck's sake:

In Hitler’s “Second Book,” which was composed in 1928 and not published until after his death, he insisted that hunger would outstrip crop improvements and that all “the scientific methods of land management” had already failed. No conceivable improvement would allow Germans to be fed “from their own land and territory,” he claimed. Hitler specifically — and wrongly — denied that irrigation, hybrids and fertilizers could change the relationship between people and land.

Exactly as Global Wormers claim human beings can't possibly adapt to slightly warmer temperatures, that there'd be mass starvation by 1980, etc. etc. This is pure Malthus.

The pursuit of peace and plenty through science, he claimed in “Mein Kampf,” was a Jewish plot to distract Germans from the necessity of war. “It is always the Jew,” argued Hitler, “who seeks and succeeds in implanting such lethal ways of thinking.”

I was curious about this quote, so googled Mein Kampf.

Hitler was talking about stealing land from Jewish "speculators", not rejecting agricultural science.

Now, we already know Hitler was a cunt. But how cunty is it to put words in his mouth, and use the murder of helpless Jewish children, to spread your shitty tree-fapping eco-fuckwittery?

Answer: so cunty I bet his mouth has a yeast infection.

Blogger Vincent Castrillo September 14, 2015 1:21 PM  

cont.

It is all too comfortable and few have known real hardship and sectarian strife in the West. When the pinch happens, you will see all manner of options for joining up materialize. Keep in mind though that even in seccession or a new country if you do not establish the three main pillars of a stable Christian society, this will simply happen again.

Blogger Vincent Castrillo September 14, 2015 1:24 PM  

yeast infection, nice Steve

Blogger Danby September 14, 2015 1:25 PM  

I would say that the European Union is actually in the process of falling apart now. It's one thing when the Germans tell you that your banks have to be run in a certain way. Most people don't understand how banks work, and the Germans seem pretty good at that whole finance thing, so, sure, why not? It's another thing entirely when the Germans tell you you have to accept another 100,000 filthy criminal, violent thieves.

I used to give the EU until 2030. No I think it will be functionally destroyed before 2020.

Blogger Vincent Castrillo September 14, 2015 1:31 PM  

Danby, don't be so sure. Women are the main proppers up of this madness. Look at any Euro video discussing vibrancy and you'll see a man trying to rally his country to defend itself and its future, followed by seven women rolling their eyes or yelling back clichés at him. You cannot hope to win in this set up. Women must be disenfranchised. Then you can hope to rid yourselves of democracy and fix the real problems. There is no real solution with women having any say in politics of any sort period.

This is rule one to all of this. It should be the primary cause for the entire right. Disenfranchise the women and you are well on your way to correcting most ills.

Blogger Salt September 14, 2015 1:32 PM  

Soon we'll see EU police turning the blind eye to assaults on the invaders. Then you'll know the Reconquesta is beginning in earnest.

Blogger Jay Lucas September 14, 2015 1:35 PM  

or a growing global ecological panic if America abandons climate science

White People invented Plastic, Slavery and Cheese Whiz. If they fail to feel guilty about these past crimes, who knows what they'll unleash next?

"Global warming-cooling" is just garbage. Yes, clear cutting forests is a tragedy, wiping out whole species is a shame, insane amounts of pollution cannot be good but this whole climate thing is as bogus as a 3-dollar bill. The barbarian invasions are an immediate and real threat.

And the barbarians aren't exactly environmentalists. Hate to say it, but I know the neighborhoods where I expect to find trash strewn in gutters and under hedges. I know who is throwing their crap on the ground or out of their car windows. I know who is leaving (stolen) shopping carts overturned in the road between the retirement home and the grocery store. I know the neighborhoods where food waste is left to rot in alleys or apartment hallways instead of being turned into compost.

I've had to sit through mandatory "ethics" classes on environmental issues with the usual guilt trips about paper and gasoline and water. I've never once had them taught by someone who commutes on a bicycle or by mass transit.

Amazing how long and loud you can complain about snow when you don't have to hold the shovel, isn't it?

Blogger Danby September 14, 2015 1:35 PM  

@32 Vinvent
But when the an is your countryman, and the 7 women are all Lesbians, Germans or Jews?
Changes the dynamic.

Blogger IM2L844 September 14, 2015 1:40 PM  

@9
Can i get some examples on this? Historical or otherwise.

Forced transnational homogenization (the insanity of a requisite global village) is not the same thing as naturally occurring intertribal homogenization. After all, ISIS is all about one nation, under god with Islam and sharia for all.

Ideologues left, right, center and penumbra embracing the notion of a homogenous global village is the problem.

Blogger VD September 14, 2015 1:43 PM  

Do you believe Roosh is wrong and that Europeans will be successful in reclaiming Europe from the invaders?

Yes. Roosh, for all his many merits, is not European. He doesn't understand the passionless determination of Europeans. The European will sit there quietly, and take it, until he can't take anymore. And then he will act without pity or remorse.

I very much doubt there will be a Muslim or African left in Europe by 2050. I very much hope they are repatriated to their homelands. I fear they will not be.

Where do you think all these homogenous countries came from in the first place? History is never linear. It is cyclical.

Anonymous Porky September 14, 2015 1:46 PM  

Nationalism and homogenous populations is what protects societies from horrors most people can't even imagine.

The Japanese tried that.

A hundred years later they were raping Nanking.

Blogger Vincent Castrillo September 14, 2015 1:51 PM  

"The Japanese tried that.

A hundred years later they were raping Nanking. "

Are you sure you thought this comment through??

Anonymous Steve, The Dark Ninja of Mockery September 14, 2015 1:53 PM  

Chris - Roosh is an invader himself. In a sane world he would be buggering goats on a mountain in Armenia.

Did he ban you from RVF or something?

Jack - Well, they do tend to limit the effective radius when you have to stop and recharge your troop transport's battery every 100 miles or so.

Mein kek.

Vincent - Tip of the fedora to you, M'sir.

Disenfranchise the women and you are well on your way to correcting most ills.

It should be pretty obvious by now that mass democracy has failed. It's a recipe for seedcorn-eating and can-kicking till we or our descendants run out of road and turn to cannibalism or what-have-you.

Problem is, the alternatives look shit too.

Jay - White People invented Plastic, Slavery and Cheese Whiz.

I'm pretty sure they stole the recipe for Cheese Whiz from Africa.

Anonymous Too-Soon-ami September 14, 2015 1:54 PM  

BEFORE he fired the shot, the Einsatzgruppe commander lifted the Jewish child in the air and said, “You must die so that we can live.”

LOL. Which movie was that from?

Blogger ScuzzaMan September 14, 2015 1:57 PM  

Cyclical, with abrupt phase changes at surprising moments cf. The fall of the Soviet empire, etc

Anonymous Porky September 14, 2015 2:02 PM  

@39

Empire, my boy. Empire.

Anonymous Curious September 14, 2015 2:06 PM  

Rosa Parks, Rosa Luxemberg, is there no end of strong, empowered women?

It is funny how many spelling mistakes there are in the Wikipedia entry on Luxemberg.

Spelling is hard, Barbie.

Blogger Anthony Gillis, the Hydra-Headed Mockery September 14, 2015 2:10 PM  

@4

So it's a religion/non-religion that has ruined more lives, produced more heretics and has burned more witches than all the Inquisitions ever did.

Far, far more in fact.

The closest rival to leftism in terms of body count is Islam, and that was over a much longer period of time.

Anonymous BGS September 14, 2015 2:13 PM  

Oh my what will we do when in 2015 NYC will be under water & the poles melted? Oh wait.

But when the man is your countryman, and the 7 women are all Lesbians, Germans or Jews?

Don't you mean jewish lesbians pretending to be germane?

Holy shit. Is there anything global warming can't do?

Lower taxes, state power or make govt. smaller.

Repatriating sub-Saharans could serve as a pretext for blocking China on the Dark Continent.

If anyone thought Boer's treated ghouls bad the Chinese will make them look like saints.

the prize being the wealth and resources within those lines on the map

When the mandela family was given a gold mine it simply stopped producing. Darwin saying blacks walk on diamonds not knowing their worth is backed up by saying a black man is the richest person in history. A former king of mali had so much gold on the surface of the ground but even accounts favorable to him said he spent like an NFL player in Mecca, the same accounting would be like gauging the King of Saudi Arabia's wealth before whitey figured out what could be done with the black smelly liquid that came out of the ground in his land by current oil barrel prices.

The quest for German domination was premised on the denial of science.

Considering the US stole all the Nazi scientists & couldn't get rockets into space without having them built them I would say you have been smoking too much Einstein's stealing relativity.

I very much doubt there will be a Muslim or African left in Europe by 2050.

I hope it works out that way but just as I knew when I was in N.O.(2years before Katrina) that if I lived to be as old as my grandfathers I would see the place flooded if I lived there, the 3rd world scum will not willingly leave alive.

Blogger Floyd Looney September 14, 2015 2:13 PM  

One theory I think might have merit is that if the concept of God hadn't come up, humans would never have left the caves or become any more civilized

Blogger Anthony Gillis, the Hydra-Headed Mockery September 14, 2015 2:14 PM  

@28

Ah, but the reductio ad Hitlerum is such a useful fallacy... or at least it was forty years ago, so naturally the lefties still try. Just like they're still shouting racist even as that one loses its power.

Anonymous Curious September 14, 2015 2:18 PM  

Luxemberg was against nationalism and for internationalism.

Which group does that remind me of?

Blogger Jay Lucas September 14, 2015 2:27 PM  

Re: Steve, The Dark Ninja of Mockery
I'm pretty sure they stole the recipe for Cheese Whiz from Africa.
It is just cheese flavored peanut butter, after all.

re: Anthony Gillis, the Hydra-Headed Mockery
Ah, but the reductio ad Hitlerum is such a useful fallacy... or at least it was forty years ago, so naturally the lefties still try. Just like they're still shouting racist even as that one loses its power.
Hitler was a vegan and vegans are often fascists, trying impose their ways on others. Maybe lefty nonsense is just nutritional deficiency.

Blogger Anthony Gillis, the Hydra-Headed Mockery September 14, 2015 2:28 PM  

Yes. Roosh, for all his many merits, is not European.

Given that Roosh is Persian and Armenian, it is worth noting that even the Indo half of the Indo-Europeans have been pretty resistant to having their lands stolen and their ethnic identities erased. Fourteen hundred years of Islam, and the Persians were never Arabized like everyone to their southwest. Same for the Indian Aryas. Even the Armenians in Turkey, the survivors of whom went underground during the Turkish genocide, are now reemerging in public.

I agree though, what the eastern cultures lack is that grim determination and cold Furor Teutonicus... so much more implacable, once it is finally let loose.

Anonymous preatorian September 14, 2015 2:28 PM  

LOL. Which movie was that from?

Seriously. Didn't anyone tell Spielberg he might be laying it on a bit thick?

Can anyone recommend an english translation of this book:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Questionnaire_(novel_by_Salomon)

It has been recommended as the best account of pre-war anti-jewish sentiment in the german people, written by a right-wing anti-nazi.

Anonymous patrick kelly September 14, 2015 2:29 PM  

@39 "Are you sure you thought this comment through??"

Very unlikely.

Blogger Anthony Gillis, the Hydra-Headed Mockery September 14, 2015 2:32 PM  

@50

Hitler was a vegan and vegans are often fascists, trying impose their ways on others. Maybe lefty nonsense is just nutritional deficiency.

Heh! That they are, and that he was. A lot of lefty cultural memes are a kind of Phariseeism - trying to prove moral superiority through dietary, clothing, or lifestyle choices, as opposed to, say, actually behaving morally.

Hitler was also an animal rights supporter, and like the same types today, equating animals with humans seemed to work out to the detriment of the rights of the latter.

Anonymous Porky September 14, 2015 2:35 PM  

Patrick underground, Patrick safe and sound.

Blogger YIH September 14, 2015 2:38 PM  

John Derbyshire: “The Third World Is On The Move. This Will Get WAY Worse Before It Gets Better.”

And then there’s this: “Saloukha says Austria was always his first choice, perhaps because he loves classical music.”

Sheesh, it sounds like the guy’s applying to college. His first choice?

As I said, it’s as if these people are immigrants”. Dissatisfied with their home country, they’ve decided to move to another—or to one of a list of others, ranked by desirability, with Austria as “first choice.”

Nothing wrong with being an immigrant. I’ve been one myself, more than once. These people aren’t bothering with the formalities, though: visas, skill sets, permits, health checks, waiting lists. They just got on a boat, then a train, then hiked over some fields, and hey! We’re here! And our first choice is … Austria!
{snip}
Even ordinary immigration didn’t work like this. There were checks to be done, hoops to jump through.

No more, not if you have Third World privilege. You just have to show up.

Invasion is the new immigration.

Anonymous nothing September 14, 2015 2:38 PM  

the Chinese make the KKK look like the Anti-Defamation League.

Good one.

Nationalism isn't an evil.

Nationalism is an impression in your mind, connected to a bunch of things you associate it with.

It's a personal thing, that exists within you. And nowhere else. It lacks adequate identity to exist in the real world.

You use the term, like many, as if it signified something real, when it does not. How, exactly, do you experience nationalism? What are the steps that go through your senses? What exactly is it about nationalism that makes it nationalism? Where's the demarcation?

Nationalism is a word loved by propagandists because they know the term is associated in peoples' heads with a bunch of valuative impressions, but no definite criteria for what does or doesn't count as nationalism. It's like a Rorschach blot, that can be interpreted to mean anything.

Just making up your own criteria for the word wouldn't solve anything, either. Language is for communication, and to communicate, agreement on what words signify is necessary.

You'd have to tell people exactly what you mean by nationalism, illustrate it for them, in phenomenal language. So they can deduce what exactly you're referring to. So you're all on the same page.

What's going to happen when you say things like this is that people are going to think of the things they've been taught to associate the word 'nationalism' with. Which is all that the word effectively signifies.

Most will think of Hitler and the Axis powers, some of Bismarck, many of a strong central government squashing local cultures and traditions. Or something. What exactly they think of depends on their personal life experience.

If you want to use the word to refer to something else, you have to tell us upfront what you mean by it. Give the identity of the concept you're naming, describing it in the common phenomenal language. Otherwise you're just sewing confusion, despite that not being your intent.

Nationalism and homogenous populations is

*are

what protects societies from horrors most people can't even imagine.

Homogeneity doesn't protect society from genocide. It makes it impossible. You can't have a race war in a region with only one race.

What I think you mean by nationalism in this case is a regional government with clearly defined borders that defends them against migration, to the extent that the population of the region remains ethnically and culturally homogenous to the extent that civil strife arising from national differences does not occur.

Odd how these liberals seem to want to push for open borders in the west, while simultaneously pushing for the eradication of Christianity. The Church is the only institution known to man that transcends all ethnic and cultural boundaries. All are one in Christ. What unity is there, without Jesus to unite us?

Anonymous Forrest Bishop VFM #0167 September 14, 2015 2:39 PM  

@17. Stickwick

"...or a growing global ecological panic if America abandons climate science or the European Union falls apart."

This is painfully stupid.

It's pure rhetoric, poorly done. Much of rhetoric relies on the juxtaposition of A and B, where A and B aren't really related. It works because the mind is associative.

A: Bud beer
B: blond bombshell

Rhetoric: Drink Bud and blonds will swarm all over you. (I've run this experiment over and over- no luck so far.)

Anonymous Steve, The Dark Ninja of Mockery September 14, 2015 2:43 PM  

It wasn't just Luxemburg (who was active in Berlin) stoking Hitler's paranoia about communist Jews.

Bavaria suffered a communist takeover in 1919, also led by Jews. It only lasted a month before the Freikorps kicked their heads in, but it was a month of crazy lawlessness and a bunch of German nobles were murdered by the Reds.

Not coincidentally, Bavaria later became the stronghold of the NSDAP.

Snyder's dishonest rhetorical contortionism in trying to paint the Nazis as being anti-Jewish because they were "anti-science" - while he urges us to genuflect to "The Science" of global warming - is disgusting on several levels.

Not the least of which is that undermining economic growth - which global wormers insist we must do - is the surest way to starve brown babies in poor countries.

Blogger Gaiseric ! September 14, 2015 2:44 PM  

I will take a look. Thanks for the info.

For more topical relevance, do some study on the Muslim conquest, and on the causes of the Barbary Wars. Make sure you read stuff from a few decades ago, before politically correct rot set in and white-washed the events.

Anonymous praetorian September 14, 2015 2:49 PM  

Actual picture of actual German soldier holding actual jewish child up before actually shooting him:

http://www.ascully.com/images/bluray/lionking/1.jpg

Why do you hate science?

Anonymous FP September 14, 2015 2:51 PM  

"I'm pretty sure they stole the recipe for Cheese Whiz from Africa."

Damn those evil toliet seat complexioned culture appropriators!


Thanks to Black Hitler for coining that phrase:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Up7b2d12OBs

Blogger Danby September 14, 2015 2:52 PM  

The difference is this;
Primitives have to be whipped into a fury to start killing wholesale. Whites just have to be pushed hard enough.
It's when they stop caring that they're start killing methodically and with complete unconcern. Think of it as an evolutionary advantage. Perfectly capable of creating clean, efficient, pleasant cities. Also perfectly capable of exterminating the threats to those cities.

It's Evolutionary Science! I f***ing LOVE Science!

Blogger Chris Mallory September 14, 2015 2:53 PM  

@40 "Did he ban you from RVF or something?"

I don't frequent his site(s). Can you think of a better place for a Southwest Asian other than Southwest Asia? Ok, if you don't want to imagine him in Armenia, how about Iran or Turkey? He does not belong in the West.

Blogger Laguna Beach Fogey September 14, 2015 2:55 PM  

Nationalism is becoming cool again.

Anonymous Ah History! September 14, 2015 3:03 PM  

The horror, the horror...

http://strangeside.com/world-war-ii-jewish-hospital-in-berlin/

Blogger ScuzzaMan September 14, 2015 3:15 PM  

Fuck off, Porky.

Blogger justaguy September 14, 2015 3:21 PM  

Who Are We? by S. Huntington is germane. Nationalism isn't cool again but when threatened people are remembering tribalism. What people call Nationalism was really just tribalism on a large scale with a mainly homogeneous population. Our problem is that according to Murray (Coming Apart) is that our tribes (Western civilization's tribes) haven't weathered modernization well. Whether or not the current Western generation (the Millennials) will grow up and man up, or simply whimper and fade away by surrendering isn't known.

Anonymous Porky September 14, 2015 3:24 PM  

Screw you, moron.

Blogger ScuzzaMan September 14, 2015 3:32 PM  

You wish, pervert.

Anonymous Porky September 14, 2015 3:36 PM  

Idiot.

Anonymous patrick kelly September 14, 2015 3:38 PM  

"Patrick underground, Patrick safe and sound."

You betcha', here with my rifle, whiskey, and lots of bacon....

The Chinese got raped at Nanking by the Japanese, the Japanese were spared that horror at home. They did not need to deport or kill Chinese or whoever in Japan cuz' they didn't allow many of them in. Where's obvious man when you need him.

Blogger ScuzzaMan September 14, 2015 3:42 PM  

You forgot your comment, rainbow hair.

Nice sig, tho. Short, descriptive, accurate.

Blogger Thucydides September 14, 2015 3:43 PM  

The Germans have closed their borders temporarily to start establishing identity checks and the Austrians have voted to start mobilizing their military to secure the borders.

It is starting indeed. Anyone want to start the pool as to when the first waves of "migrants" get machine-gunned at a border in Europe (and which border it will be)?

Anonymous Porky September 14, 2015 3:52 PM  

I guess it flew over your thick, protruding forehead, so I'll explain.

You are an idiot because you responded pavlovianly to the name "moron".

Watch...I'll do it again.....Hey moron!

Blogger Peter P. VFM #438 September 14, 2015 3:57 PM  

@59
I will do so. Are there any counter studies/attempts to refute those that you suggested? I would like to check both sides of the coin and reach my own conclusions.

Anonymous Ah History! September 14, 2015 3:59 PM  

Porky is busy extracting kidneys from lesser humans.
See:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/dec/21/israeli-pathologists-harvested-organs

Anonymous praetorian September 14, 2015 3:59 PM  

Consider this, gentlemen: porky is about as smart as the tusken raiders get.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q81O4wXBlD4

Blogger Thucydides September 14, 2015 4:02 PM  

The true hilarity of "reducto ad Hitlerium" comes when you realize the leftist/Progressive/SJW who is saying that is invoking the "National Socialist German Worker's Party" as being evil.

I love the expression on their faces when I remind them of that....

Anonymous Porky September 14, 2015 4:03 PM  

@Patrick

And...how'd that work out for the Chinese?

Blogger Gaiseric ! September 14, 2015 4:05 PM  

I will do so. Are there any counter studies/attempts to refute those that you suggested? I would like to check both sides of the coin and reach my own conclusions.

Then do your own research and find them. It's not hard.

Anonymous Curious September 14, 2015 4:15 PM  

A: Bud beer
B: blond bombshell


Damn. I knew I was doing something wrong. It was rancid Bud I should have been drinking.

Anonymous Ah History! September 14, 2015 4:18 PM  

From our shores....
Subhuman slime engaged in organ trafficking.
http://www.interpol.int/notice/search/wanted/2010-39875

Adolf was internationalist shite, exhibit 1:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEhmgcXYGE0

Anonymous Discard September 14, 2015 4:25 PM  

Tribalism is already widespread among the young. I don't mean this as a Nigger joke, but what else is poking big holes in your ears about? Teach people that their nation is shit, and they form new nations.

Blogger Peter P. VFM #438 September 14, 2015 4:30 PM  

@80
Roger.

Anonymous Ah History! September 14, 2015 4:31 PM  

Ah, the Islam, the Islam.....ze Germans. etc.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xT1aHlCXF8

Blogger YIH September 14, 2015 4:32 PM  

@65 Ah History!:
[from the link]
Dr. Ernst Eichengrun was the genius working at Germany’s Bayer chemistry works who had invented aspirin.
Compared to it's other invention Aspirin was an afterthought.

Blogger ScuzzaMan September 14, 2015 4:44 PM  

Sure, Porky.

You are a worthwhile human being, with a healthy attitude towards sex.

Anonymous patrick kelly September 14, 2015 4:48 PM  

@79 "And...how'd that work out for the Chinese?"

Horribly. It's only supposed to work out well for the Japanese you indolent porcine troll.

Here's the original quote:

"Nationalism and homogenous populations is what protects societies from horrors most people can't even imagine."

The Japanese nationalism and homogenous populations protected it. What horrors they may or may not have inflicted on anyone else, including the Chinese, doesn't have anything to do with it. I mean even the plain meaning of the words "nationalism" and "homogenous" pretty much say it all to anyone actually listening.



Anonymous Bz September 14, 2015 5:05 PM  

The news now tell me Schengen might be dead ("it's just sleeping!") with border controls being thrown up in several countries. Well, that was quick, but self-inflicted chaos is not really embraced by the populus. The Madness of Merkel has been quelled. Let's see what happens next though.

Anonymous Porky September 14, 2015 5:11 PM  

It's only supposed to work out well for the Japanese

Patrick, you are an even bigger moron than I had anticipated.

Do you think that China was not just as nationalist and homogenous as Japan circa the 2nd Sino-Jap War? Do you think it protected them from atrocities and horrors?

Jesus.

I mean yeah Japan was nationalistic and homogenous and all but that didn't really prevent them from twice getting a nuclear enema did it?

Anonymous praetorian September 14, 2015 5:19 PM  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvUR7WaTg-o

Blogger Student in Blue September 14, 2015 5:20 PM  

"If I play loose and fast with words, no one will catch on!"
-No one smart.

Anonymous patrick kelly September 14, 2015 5:41 PM  

@90 "Do you think that China was not just as nationalist and homogenous as Japan circa the 2nd Sino-Jap War? Do you think it protected them from atrocities and horrors?"

China didn't do a good job keeping the Japanese out, and it's an apples and oranges thing to anyone with more than 1/2 a human brain cell working. And just how much horror have the Chinese heaped upon the Japanese lately? None, that's how much.

One of these things is not like the other:

1) A national army invading you, or War as you called it
2) Immigration, including by refugees or migrant workers.

"that didn't really prevent them from twice getting a nuclear enema did it?"

Not the same you ignorant pig.

Look at Japan now. Their homogeneous nationalism, however mild in comparison, does keep the riff raff away for the most part and is very good for the Japanese.

You really think homogeneous nationalism in this context has anything to do with the atrocities and horror of war? It doesn't, you're wrong.

As an obtuse hard headed hog you don't even rise to the state of a human moron. Such creatures look down at you in scorn.

Blogger Chris Mallory September 14, 2015 5:48 PM  

Immigration is just war in slow motion. War destroys nations and cultures, so does immigration.

Blogger Tom Stedham September 14, 2015 5:54 PM  

and the source for that direct quote from an anonymous Einsatzgruppe commander is.....?
Completely made up, of course, but don't let that stand in the way of pushing a hysterical leftist agenda.
Right?

Anonymous Slowpoke September 14, 2015 5:58 PM  

They have to put words in Hitler's mouth and try to separate themselves from him. It is an historical fact that the modern green movement started in NAZI Germany.

Anonymous patrick kelly September 14, 2015 6:01 PM  

@95 "Immigration is just war in slow motion. War destroys nations and cultures, so does immigration."

Yes, but it is a different kind of war, one which homogeneous nationalism does resist and hold off. Doesn't do much against invading armies or strategic bombers except steel the populace's attitude in preparation for it.

Anonymous Curious September 14, 2015 6:02 PM  

Do you think that China was not just as nationalist and homogenous as Japan circa the 2nd Sino-Jap War? Do you think it protected them from atrocities and horrors?

No one ever accused Porky of being able to think, I guess.

Of course, the difference is that China was essentially in the middle of a civil war and was riven by the breakup of Qing Dynasty rule, a ruling class who were not Han Chinese.

So of course they were clearly a homogeneous nationalist people.

Anonymous Discard September 14, 2015 6:09 PM  

97. Slowpoke: The Sierra Club has hikes. In Germany, the nature-lovers have volksmarsches. And they give out medals at the end.

Anonymous Siobhan September 14, 2015 6:40 PM  

So, how far back are we supposed to go with deportations? My folk came from Ireland during the famine. I don't think Ireland wants us back.

Anonymous Discard September 14, 2015 6:59 PM  

101. Siobhan. I favor 1965, the year that the gates were thrown open by the Hart-Cellar Immigration Act. The law specifically aimed to increase the number of non-Whites admitted. Before that, we had things under control. In both the '30s and the 50's we had big roundups of wetbacks and sent them home.

Blogger James Clifton September 14, 2015 8:17 PM  

I got Poland and Hungary starting this week and I like Czechoslovakia and Romania as flexes. Russia should remain on your bench.

Anonymous Adam1 September 14, 2015 8:18 PM  

Chicom Premier Zhou En-lai: ``The colored people of the world outnumber the white 12 to 1. Let`s wipe them out!`` [1955 Asian-African Conference] -Billy Graham, `World Aflame`, 1965,p.5.

Anonymous Porky September 14, 2015 8:51 PM  

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Anonymous Porky September 14, 2015 9:26 PM  

Btw, Curious, I think you are confusing your civil wars.

Blogger Miss Carnivorous September 14, 2015 9:52 PM  

When I saw all the fat pink sunburned ex postal worker Brits moving into "Spanish Villa style town houses" in Spain I got just as grossed out as I do when I see thousands of "migrants" flooding into Europe. Does that make me a bad person???

Anonymous Jack Amok September 14, 2015 10:17 PM  

Women are the main proppers up of this madness. Look at any Euro video discussing vibrancy and you'll see a man trying to rally his country to defend itself and its future, followed by seven women rolling their eyes or yelling back clichés at him.

and

And the barbarians aren't exactly environmentalists. Hate to say it, but I know the neighborhoods where I expect to find trash strewn in gutters and under hedges.

Both of these are examples of Lefties (and women, or do I repeat myself) assuming the status quo. They assume it will always be White people in charge (even if some of them have dark skin, they'll still act White, though none of the Lefties would ever describe it that way). They have no concept that things could change in fundamental ways, like having raping, pillaging real barbarians slitting their throats. To them, all of this is just intra-group status seeking. They think they can flirt with the bar-bars as a way of gaining ground against their political opponents, never imagining the barbarians might have a goal of being more than stage props.

Blogger Updated; LP999/S.I.G. Burn'in Up! September 15, 2015 12:48 AM  

No.

Perhaps the purge will be the natives willingly going onto trains escaping what they thought were raping migrants only find themselves burning in the crematorium for the newcomers to assume their former lives where ever they once lived like post america or some EU country.

Impossible, why give free rides to Caucasians.

Blogger SciVo September 15, 2015 1:53 AM  

@ Anthony Gillis: "Just like they're still shouting racist even as that one loses its power."

You might as well call me a quantum paradigm shift as a racist sexist homophobe. It would have about as much meaning and effect.

Blogger SciVo September 15, 2015 2:04 AM  

@ nothing: "All are one in Christ. What unity is there, without Jesus to unite us?"

Ah, but progressivism is a cult. They honestly expect it to be sufficient to unite everyone. They're wrong, of course.

Blogger SciVo September 15, 2015 2:17 AM  

@ Thucydides: "Anyone want to start the pool as to when the first waves of "migrants" get machine-gunned at a border in Europe (and which border it will be)?"

I say sometime in 2016, and a Finno-Ugric nation such as Hungary, Finland or Estonia. If you think Saxons are cold, look again.

Anonymous Whitey McWhite September 15, 2015 3:16 AM  

101. Siobhan: "So, how far back are we supposed to go with deportations?"

Ultimately it's about loyalty and DNA, not dates.

Anonymous Whitey McWhite September 15, 2015 3:20 AM  

BEFORE he fired the shot, the Einsatzgruppe commander lifted the Jewish child in the air and said, “You must die so that we can live.” As the killing proceeded, other Germans rationalized the murder of Jewish children in the same way: them or us....

This is a pack of lies, but the key thing to notice is that as usual it's all about what's good for the Jews. With a side-order of demonizing Whites.

Blogger Feather Blade September 15, 2015 12:05 PM  

clear cutting forests is a tragedy,

Depends on how bad the bark-beetle infestation is.

Of course, massive forest fires are also an excellent corrective to such infestations, and have the added benefit of reducing the fuel load to nothing in a very short amount if time.

It's a terrible waste of timber, though.

Anonymous BGS September 15, 2015 2:00 PM  

The Sierra Club has hikes. In Germany, the nature-lovers have volksmarsches. And they give out medals at the end.

I am pretty sure I had to buy my Volksmarching medals to put on my walking stick.

Anonymous 0007 September 15, 2015 3:19 PM  

Considering the germ-warfare capability of the Chinese I would tend to suspect that they already have an African-gene-specific bug growing in their labs. As you say their racism makes the KKK look respectable.(Spent some time there while building the NE American Embassy in Beijing.)

Anonymous Discard September 15, 2015 4:06 PM  

116. BGS: It's been a long time, I don't recall any money changing hands. You got the little curved badges that fit a walking stick. I got the chest medals because they were so over-the-top big that I felt like a caudillo.

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