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Wednesday, September 16, 2015

Japan cuts through the convergence

The West would be much better off if it followed suit and shut down all of the social sciences and humanities at its universities as well:
Many social sciences and humanities faculties in Japan are to close after universities were ordered to “serve areas that better meet society’s needs”. Of the 60 national universities that offer courses in these disciplines, 26 have confirmed that they will either close or scale back their relevant faculties at the behest of Japan’s government.

It follows a letter from education minister Hakuban Shimomura sent to all of Japan’s 86 national universities, which called on them to take “active steps to abolish [social science and humanities] organisations or to convert them to serve areas that better meet society’s needs”.

The ministerial decree has been denounced by one university president as “anti-intellectual”, while the universities of Tokyo and Kyoto, regarded as the country’s most prestigious, have said that they will not comply with the request.

However, 17 national universities will stop recruiting students to humanities and social science courses – including law and economics, according to a survey of university presidents by The Yomiuri Shimbun newspaper, which was reported by the blog Social Science Space.
Not only do most people not need to go to college, but if you're going to go to college and major in a social science or the humanities, you would be better off not going at all. What is being "taught" is nothing more than dyscivic, dyscivilizational propaganda, contra the pretensions of the academics, the humanities now teach students how to actively avoid thinking.

Higher education has been entirely coopted by the SJWs who invaded the universities fifty years ago. As per the Impossibility of Social Justice Convergence, higher education is no longer able to perform its primary function. Japan's response is the correct one. Shut it down.

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Blogger Mr.MantraMan September 16, 2015 7:18 AM  

I for one encourage the SJW thought Nazis in their efforts to "purify" college campuses of bad thought .

And they really need to double down on removing white men from these zones of pure good thought. I would damn near block any reactionary suspected white male from campus and damn near force all men of color to go to these places of "higher education."

Anonymous Patrick September 16, 2015 7:28 AM  

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/14/upshot/gaps-in-alumni-earnings-stand-out-in-release-of-college-data.html Talking about attending college. This article discusses the poor ROI, mostly for liberal arts colleges and their students.
Simply put if you go to college and geta degree in puppetry, or cis-normative gender studies you are not going to get a job that pays anything. Nor should anyone who studies such dreck.

Anonymous ODG September 16, 2015 7:32 AM  

I can just imagine the shrieks of "Censorship!" and "Government Interference!" that would arise from the faculties if such a thing were proposed here. Funny, the faculties never seem to complain about interference when it's government money coming their way.

Blogger Cataline Sergius September 16, 2015 7:33 AM  

Honestly the real problem today is that the students have created a culture of Thought Policing themselves, on campus. At this point even the faculty is intimidated by them.



I don’t mind if students complain directly to me. Each lecture involves hundreds of small decisions, and sometimes I do choose the wrong word or analogy. But nowadays, e-mail and social media make it easier for students to complain directly to campus authorities, or to the Internet at large, than to come talk with their professors. Each complaint can lead to many rounds of meetings, and sometimes to formal charges and investigations.

Increasingly, professors must ask themselves not just What is the best way to teach this material? but also Might the most sensitive student in the class take offense if I say this, and then post it online, and then ruin my career?"

No they aren't going to complain to you. That would be way too confrontational for Obama voting Millennials. Instead they will behave as proper little informants for the stasi and will go running screaming and sobbing with tears pouring down their cheeks to the diversity provosts.

So not only is going to college a bad idea for young men but teaching there is now huge mistake as well.

The entire point of a university education is to learn critical reasoning. Everything else is just trade school stuff. It's high end trade school stuff to be certain but at the end of the day it's a trade. Going to a college is supposed to put you outside your mental comfort zone. Now its worse than nursery school. Administrators don't listen when the babies at nursery school complain about something.

A university is not meant to be a safe space.

Thanks to Twitter and Facebook networking plus SJW thought policing. Today's crop of university students have taken the education out of their college education.


There are a few...a very precious few colleges left that do have a rigorous liberal arts degree. Hillsdale College in Michigan for example. But it's a small college and it has never accepted any government funding.

You will have to look hard to find any others. Any place that administration bloat has set in is going to be a problem.

Blogger Ron September 16, 2015 7:38 AM  

SJWs claim another scalp. 'Black Lives Matter' post leads to police chief's retirement

Never apologize. Never resign. Never retire.

Blogger Cail Corishev September 16, 2015 7:46 AM  

When I was a senior in high school, my Latin teacher knew some of us intended to go to engineering schools. He pleaded with us: whatever your major, make sure you take philosophy, because that's what you need to be a real man. We ignored him, of course: who needs philosophy to do practical stuff like writing programs or building bridges?

I've since learned that he was right about what was important, but I couldn't give the same advice today. What's the chance that you'll get a good philosophy teacher who bases it on the classics, and not some modernist whose only firm belief is that you shouldn't have any? Now I'd have to tell students not to go to college at all, but to be sure to study Plato, Aristotle, and so on on their own while learning a trade by doing.

Anonymous PA September 16, 2015 7:57 AM  

IT but it's all related. RealTalk is about to burst through the dam.

https://mobile.twitter.com/RichardBSpencer/status/643955240492908544/photo/1

Blogger Durandel Almiras September 16, 2015 8:00 AM  

@6 Cail, I feel yeah. Most philosophy departments have been hijacked by atheists. I tell the college students I work with to either do a self study of the classics - use the Great Books curriculum as a reference - or consider attending seminary if they have any inclination towards a religious vocation or are still on the fence about their vocation. The Mormons make their kids do two years of missionary work. Maybe Catholics and Protestants could do well to have their kids at least study the philosophical underpinning of Western Christianity and where we are today?

Blogger Student in Blue September 16, 2015 8:00 AM  

Of course, unless Japan decides to cut off Abenomics, they're still not going anywhere quick.

Blogger JP September 16, 2015 8:01 AM  

Social Sciences and humanities is where you learn to lord it over the plebs.

Anonymous PA September 16, 2015 8:01 AM  

There are all kinds of weapons: traditional, chemical, atomic. And now we see that there are also racial weapons. This is the weapon that they, the invisible hands, have employed against Europe and against the white race,” Fidesz founder Zsolt in a speech in Budapest.

Blogger maniacprovost September 16, 2015 8:05 AM  

I don't think Japan has the same problem we do, but it might be the right decision anyway. From what little I know, the practical utility of a degree doesn't occur to most of them either.

Blogger Durandel Almiras September 16, 2015 8:05 AM  

@ 7 PA, I hope so. My experience as a campus minister is Real Talk / Red Pill is spreading. Most of the young men I spend time with have Red Pill mind sets now after two years of listening to me...but now some of the new guys I meet are already on board by the time I talk to them. Just had a great conversation a few days ago with some guys who in the last few months have lost faith in the news networks, have noticed the craziness of SJWs especially their antics in college, hate political correctness, notice men and women are in fact different and...the kicker...anti-immigration/nativists have some really good points. That last one blew me away but honestly, with how bad the SJWs are behaving, is it any wonder that the regular good joes of the world are finally starting to notice and react accordingly?

I think Vox is right, the Ultras, in time, are indeed coming.

Anonymous PhillipGeorge©2015 September 16, 2015 8:11 AM  

I want to climb the Mount Everest of politically incorrect. For all the tens of millions of editorial comments posted about tolerance, human rights, choice, freedom how many have addressed the issue of the benefit of anal intercourse between men to society? I think it is relevant how many transgender candidates proceed to attempt suicide. I think infertility among poly amorous women is statistically relevant? I think universities are simply asking the wrong questions and that's why humanities suck. cheers. IMHO. The problem wasn't social sciences, it was the social scientists.

Anonymous Whitey McWhite September 16, 2015 8:12 AM  

It looks like the Japanese were more lucky than smart: there was no statement of the ideological conflict, only of a need to "meet the needs of society" through more vocational training.

That kind of tacit or accidental suppression of subversive influences is enough in a homogeneous society.

In a diverse (multi-racial) society, especially one with an anti-Japanese over-class, such a passionless and lightweight response to subversion would not get the job done, because there would be powerful people with racial and not only professional and ideological motives for demanding that the universities continue to offer courses that were really about undermining the Japanese nation.

Stay lucky, Japanese people. Don't invite in enemies to compete with you for control of your destiny.

Blogger buzzardist September 16, 2015 8:17 AM  

I can't entirely agree with you on this one, Vox. Yes, there is a lot in the Humanities and Social Sciences that can and should be tossed. But everything? No. I'd agree with you if this were the U.S. where those disciplines are entirely abandoned to liberal la-la-land, but that's not nearly so much the case in Japan. The universities are not nearly so bloated. They're not SJW spawning grounds like they are in the U.S. For Japan, universities are social institutions that confer people status and pave their ways into certain respectable jobs, which makes universities much more conservative in certain respects than their American counterparts.

Japan's fundamental problem is that the country simply doesn't have enough college students. These cuts, in part, address that reality. In grade schools, many schools, especially in rural areas, have shrunk by as much as 50 percent in the last 10-15 years. As this smaller number of students moves through college, colleges can't fill seats. Universities in Japan work on an entrance-exam system, and they are loathe to make their exams easier. The universities also haven't been very aggressive, like U.S. universities have, about recruiting foreign students. The only choice left is to shrink.

Enter Shinzo Abe with his magical Abenomics. The monetary and fiscal sides of his plan are utterly idiotic and will ruin what hasn't already been ruined of the country. Eliminating Humanities and Social Sciences at some universities, effectively turning universities into scientific and vocational training programs, is Abe's educational brainchild to revitalize Japan. It won't work any better than his monetary fiddling and fiscal largess.

Japan is already quite good with vocational training running through high school and college. The country doesn't need more such schools. There are only so many people who have minds for science and engineering, and Japan isn't going to reclaim its technological prowess globally by cutting Humanities and Social Sciences, thereby forcing more people toward STEM disciplines. Ultimately, this effort to cut Humanities and Social Sciences is probably only going to dumb down the remaining degree areas as students who would have gravitated toward them find themselves ill-suited in science and math classes.

Ultimately, what the country lacks is children. And since women who don't attend college aren't doing particularly better at childbearing than women who do attend college, Abe is merely rearranging deck chairs.

Blogger Steveo #238 September 16, 2015 8:18 AM  

@1 I agree with Mr.MantraMan on this. Get to it sjws, all white men, get out.

- time for curricula to be established (available through amazon) and internet training resources to set up apprentice style training as an option. Produce outside the institution, prove your own worth w/o that crap paper.

Anonymous Aachen September 16, 2015 8:21 AM  

Don't be too harsh on economics. It is what knocked the sjw out of me even though i had teachers in school that drilled it into me. Specifically principal agent theory, imperfection of markets n hence ideology, adverse selection n moral hazard were the key. HD in that subject whilst most others failed. A natural fit.

Blogger MendoScot September 16, 2015 8:28 AM  

Heh. Just sent the link to my Dean and several Institute Directors…

In Argentina, we graduate ~500 engineers and ~10,000 philosophers each year. It’s true that many companies don’t even wait for the engineers to graduate before grabbing the best of them, but there is no queue to employ philosophers.

Before I got bored of him, Moldbug was predicting that society would eventually go all Henry VIII on the Universities. An intriguing idea, especially that the trigger might come from entirely unexpected quarters.

Anonymous Dirtnapninja September 16, 2015 8:29 AM  

I can't help but read this and be jealous. I would love to live in an actual homogeneous nation state run by my own people for our own interests. Instead I live in madhouse run by corporations and foreign tribes in a perpetual state of ethnic tension and culture war.

Blogger MendoScot September 16, 2015 8:29 AM  

BTW - anyone else using Sleipnir and having problems posting at VP? I had to switch to Safari to get this in.

Anonymous Ratdog September 16, 2015 8:31 AM  

Not so much of a big deal in Japan. In Japan, it matters where you study, not so much what you study. Notice that Todai and Kyodai are not going to shut down their humanities departments. Notice that there is no mention of the top private colleges like Waseda and Keio doing so.

Besides, if you want to study social sciences at a non-elite university in Japan, you'd be better off financially doing so online at Hoso Daigaku (Open University of Japan).

Anonymous Aachen September 16, 2015 8:35 AM  

Japan has plenty of problems...however a declining birthrate is not one. Only seems that way given the current global financial setup. Afterall an elderly workforce is more productive than a bulge of children with no jobs 4 them when they grow up

Anonymous Steve, The Dark Ninja of Mockery September 16, 2015 8:43 AM  

Gresham's Law has been at work in academia since the early 90's at least.

As colleges and universities found they could make bank by putting more bums on seats, bad degrees and mediocre (or worse) students started to drive out good ones.

The SJW takeover has only accelerated the inevitable decline in standards. Colleges have been dominated by the Left since the 60's, but many of those old-school lefties were at least intellectually liberal and respected scholarship, rationalism and research.

The SJW's who've replaced them are actively hostile to reason itself. For them, universities are a playground for their ridiculous identity politics. "Research" in the humanities now means regurgitating nonsensical feminist and/or racist cliches about how "Kyriarchy", aka The Evil White Man, oppresses everybody with his white man superpowers.

The products of this dysfunctional system are predictably unimpressive. Take Phil Sandifer, for example.

Phil's dad was a respected professor of maths and a cross-country runner, who managed to support a wife and raise two kids.

Unfortunately the retarded apple fell some distance from the family tree, and young Phil wasted his time and money pursuing a PhD in English, focusing on "film and media studies".

This qualifies him to be an unemployable, comically obese neckbeard, who spends all his days blogging about Doctor Who, twittering about social justice, and begging for hipster welfare on Patreon.

He's in his mid 30's now, and still doesn't have a job, a girlfriend, or any children. The likelihood is that the Sandifer family name will die with him, to moulder in a jumbo-sized coffin after he inhales his last Krispy Kreme or slips into fatal unconsciousness during a particularly intense wankfest of autoerotic asphixiation to pictures of Jenna Louise Coleman.

If it hadn't been for the disastrous inflation of the higher education bubble, Phil may very well have turned out normal.

Instead of his comedy degrees (and unfunny debts) he would have gotten a job.

Instead of harbouring an increasingly scalding grudge against normal, healthy, masculine men, he might be a respected pillar of the community.

Instead of masturbating into a David Tennant duvet, he might have a woman in his life.

Instead of being eaten by cats when he dies alone, and for the fire brigade to have to bring in a crane to remove his corpulent remains after they're discovered by neighbours complaining about the smell of rancid Twinkies and death, he might slip away peacefully in his old age, surrounded by loving children and grandchildren.

There are potential Phil Sandifers on every college campus across the West.

For their sake, we must burn the universities down to the ground, salt the earth, and use the ashes to build a monument to Phil Sandifer, with a brass plaque underneath saying "NEVER AGAIN".

Blogger Alexander September 16, 2015 8:58 AM  

I made a prediction at instapundit a year or two ago: that Japan's birthrates would turnaround when and only when they fully rejected western culture and the imposed constitution.

This would be a very critical step in that direction.

Anonymous PhillipGeorge©2015 September 16, 2015 8:59 AM  

the sum total: final word: epitaph: requiem:
they were illogical.

the Emperor has no cloth on because he is naked. He is naked because his cloths are not on him. The reason you can see his genitals is that there is nothing between them and your eye's field of vision. Were the Emporer wearing cloths they wouldn't look like skin tight hair covered skin. Naked is the colour texture scent odour and feel of organic material attached to the human being.

I'm pointing this out for any humanities students who might have dropped by.

Anonymous Mike M. September 16, 2015 9:01 AM  

The sad part is that history is quite valuable. As we say in flight test, "Learn from the mistakes of others. You won't live long enough to make them all yourself."

Perhaps we can rebuild fresh after bulldozing the SJW slums into oblivion.

Blogger Student in Blue September 16, 2015 9:07 AM  

@buzzardist
For Japan, universities are social institutions that confer people status and pave their ways into certain respectable jobs

This sounds very much like America as well.

Japan's fundamental problem is that the country simply doesn't have enough college students.

This also sounds like what American universities are saying.

There may be something I'm missing, buzzardist, but so far I'm not seeing the differences you're suggesting.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan September 16, 2015 9:07 AM  

SJW are part of the Jim Jones cult, you cannot reason with them you must simply hand them a double shot of Kool Aid

Blogger buzzardist September 16, 2015 9:14 AM  

@23 Really, Aachen? A low birthrate is not a problem in Japan? It's certainly not Japan's only problem, but it is one of the most serious long-term problems. In a country where the average farmer is now in his 60s, where the life expectancy is long, and where there aren't young people enough to support the elderly, there is a problem. The elderly are not particularly productive in the workplace, and they certainly aren't innovative as most innovators do their best work before age 40 or 50.

Japan is currently producing about one million babies a year, enough to sustain a population of about 85 million people, which is a far cry from the current 120 million. Meanwhile, the country is saddled with massive public debt, and it needs productive taxpayers to keep the system running. But it also needs more babies to keep up its innovation, to run its farms, to work its factories, and so on. Sony gets twice as many innovative technological geniuses if the country produces two million babies than if it only produces one million. That's simple math.

Anonymous PA September 16, 2015 9:14 AM  

"SJW are part of the Jim Jones cult, you cannot reason with them you must simply hand them a double shot of Kool Aid"

Based on my personal experience of talking with various SJWs-lite, I'm starting be believe this to be the literal case, not a hyperbole or mere mocking of them.

With SJWs-lite, you can make temporary progress in turning them, but then like a pulled rubber band that you let go of, they revert to their leftism.

Blogger JartStar September 16, 2015 9:16 AM  

@24 That was a pretty good.

Blogger Sherwood family September 16, 2015 9:17 AM  

Steve, I kind of choked up and got a little misty-eyed when I thought of burning down the universities and salting the earth. When these bastions of corruption are toppled the nation will breathe a sigh of relief that endless useless studies and countless millions of dollars will not longer go to fund parasitic institutions poisoning the minds of so many.

Anonymous HardReturn¶ (30) September 16, 2015 9:19 AM  

@24 thanks for colorful amusingly disturbing imagery

Blogger YIH September 16, 2015 9:20 AM  

you would be better off not going at all.
Same for music. In fact, if that's the direction you want to head the worst thing you can do is go to college for it!
I seen some examples - Joe Satriani comes to mind, all the ability of Eddie Van Halen but gets work sporadically at best.

Anonymous PA September 16, 2015 9:22 AM  

Phil Sandifer is Ignatius Reilly?

Blogger buzzardist September 16, 2015 9:22 AM  

@25 What would be involved in Japan rejecting Western culture? Do they get rid of television? Do they take away kids' Nintendo DS consoles (even though those are a Japanese product)? Do they get rid of manga and anime because those mediums were developed in the West, even though manga and anime are thoroughly Japanese in form?

Japan's birth rate isn't likely to rise with a rejection of the West, unless that rejection involved massive de-development that returned Japan to a small agrarian society with only moderate industry. There are a lot of factors contributing to the low birth rate (everything from economic factors to sexual promiscuity delaying marriage and childbearing), but I'm not clear how rejecting Western culture will address many of these factors.

Blogger B.J. September 16, 2015 9:26 AM  

I agree completely. Humanities departments have switched from education and research (if they ever were) and believe it's their job to indoctrinate kids for the "good of society." They produce nothing of value to anyone and are a net harm to students and society.

Here's a hint: if anyone argues for the worthiness of college based on the intrinsic value of "pure knowledge" (which can be had for pennies on the dollar anywhere else), their major is worthless.

Anonymous Aeoli Pera September 16, 2015 9:27 AM  

It is only a matter of time before they'll be using IQ tests to screen candidates for jobs, contra Griggs v. Duke Power (do they have a version of that over there?).

Employers use the university system to screen for intelligence and conscientiousness, which are the primary indicators of future job performance. Intelligence is about twice as predictive as conscientiousness for most jobs and far more predictive for complex jobs (doctor, lawyer, engineer, scientist, etc.). Special snowflakes notwithstanding, employers will always prefer the candidate with the higher IQ.

The reason employers historically preferred liberal arts graduates, back when they were rare, is that a liberal arts degree proved a person could be taught (i.e. was reasonably bright and studious). This function must be replaced in order for the higher education bubble to truly deflate. Tests are still the best and easiest way of doing this, and they already exist. IQ tests (and combined IQ/knowledge tests like the SAT) are orders of magnitude cheaper, faster, and more effective than college degrees for this purpose.

As with most systems, it's surprising how long it took for economic pressure to break the already-fractured university system. Probably what we'll see is a combination of aptitude testing and job training. It will be ugly at first because smaller businesses are already horrid at job training, and they will be worse at psychometrics until a proprietary solution is available. Large employers are actually already doing this in sneaky ways, even in the US! I've been given three IQ tests in the last year for various minimum wage jobs.

But orthodox America would prefer to nuke Japan for political incorrectness rather than to follow suit. Just another reason that either America or the orthodoxy (or both) will not continue to exist.

Anonymous Aeoli Pera September 16, 2015 9:30 AM  

For reference, the IQ tests were the Wonderlic and two timed reasoning tests (analogies, object rotations, arithmetic, vocabulary, etc.).

Blogger ScuzzaMan September 16, 2015 9:33 AM  

Shut it down.

Burn it down.

It's a fine line - who could blame a zealous vile faceless minion or two for crossing it?

OT, kind of: ISIS flag used in battle with German police.

ISI Flag & German police

No prize for guessing which victim class du jour was waving the thing.


Anonymous 334 September 16, 2015 9:34 AM  

@24.

Steve, your contributions are unerringly on point, but I'm going to need a diaper if I laugh any harder ...

Blogger Were-Puppy September 16, 2015 9:34 AM  

@4 Cataline Sergius

They are doing as they were taught.

SJWAL Step 1. Locate or Create a Violation of the Narrative.

So if the professors need to sharpen their connections to the hive mind, as any swift change they don't catch will bring them to attention and Step 1 will go into effect.

Blogger buzzardist September 16, 2015 9:40 AM  

@28 There are sharp differences, Student in Blue. In the U.S., it actually matters what you major in at a university. In Japan, it mainly matters that you went to Todai, Waseda, or one of the other elite schools. Graduates in the U.S. only gain status markers if they go to one of the Ivy League or similarly respectable universities. Beyond that, it really doesn't matter where you graduate from. In Japan, the pecking order goes all the way from the top to the bottom. You're hot stuff if you get into Todai or one of the other Japanese Ivies. You're pretty good if you get into a top regional university. You're middling if you get into a typical prefectural university. You're better than a mere high school graduate, but not special if you graduate from a university below that. The entrance exams ensure that the pecking order runs all the way down. In the U.S., where a person graduates from makes no difference with respect to salaries after about 20 years. In Japan, no matter how many years out of school you are, it matters. You know your superiors based on what high schools and universities everybody went to, and you will be socially punished if you don't give deference to those distinctions.

As for declining numbers of students, America is about 20 years behind Japan in this problem, and so far American universities are maintaining and even expanding enrollment numbers by aggressively recruiting foreign students. It helps that English is the lingua franca. Japan hasn't tried as hard to recruit foreign students, and it couldn't recruit as many even if it did try because instruction is typically in Japanese. Japan is dealing with an enrollment contraction of about 30-40 percent. So far, the only U.S. universities in similar positions are historically black colleges and a few other very small schools. Most, so far, aren't actually shrinking, even if the percentage of U.S.-born students is going down.

Blogger Were-Puppy September 16, 2015 9:42 AM  

@5 Ron

He didn't even make the rubble bounce. I think he was fed up with everything.

"According to Town Manager Larry Bergman, the police department has rules regarding social media."

I bet this policy is similar to the code of conduct. Whoever this goon town manager is should be investigated. He's probably a closet KKK guy or something. Simply by assuming the SJW always projects.

Blogger Cecil Henry September 16, 2015 9:43 AM  

We need this in the West, obviously.

The social sciences are NOT education, they are political propaganda aimed at young adults.

Shrink the whole social sciences by 90%. No one in the actual economy, arts and sciences will notice.

Anonymous DissidentRight September 16, 2015 9:44 AM  

Woah, that is amazing!

Anonymous Aachen September 16, 2015 9:44 AM  

@30

Not a problem. You cannot go full throttle at something forever. Society moves in cycles. The pendulum swings. Society takes a period of time or so to react to changes, a delayed effect.

Think about it: a 15% dependancy of young children vs a 15% dependancy of already educated and experienced elderly. The elderly are more productive with modern technology, that cannot be argued away.

One (and I stress one) of the fundamental aspects of fertility decline is the cost of children. Now it is too expensive to have children. I know people that would like to have more children but it is to expensive to and it would disadvantage the existing children they have now. Think of low birthrates as a reaction to declining economic opportunities. The natural response to declining economic opportunities is to consolidate wealth in the family by having fewer children.

However as the society ages, without having mass immigration, then the cost of having more children will decrease and families will respond, in a delayed reaction, by having more children. Hence the pendulum swings back.

However this generally has not happened in history as a low birthrate historically leads to invasion and destruction of the civilisation. With modern military technology and a nationalist, efficient, debt adverse (not Japan) government this does not have to lead to that outcome.

Western governments and their crony handlers do not want to go through this stage... so they push mass immigration oblivious to the cost.

Or to put it another way, look at all the people pushing demographic decline solved by mass immigration. You do not trust these people and their 'modelling' on other issues so why trust them on this one either.

Blogger buzzardist September 16, 2015 9:45 AM  

@39 Japan already de facto does screen people based on IQ. Their entrance exams to get into high school and college are quite punishing. All an employer needs to do is to look at what high school or university a person went to in order to estimate the person's IQ within a few points.

Blogger YIH September 16, 2015 9:48 AM  

@2 Patrick:
Simply put if you go to college and geta degree in puppetry,
You remember that one too huh?
One of the rare times I've seen something here that simply left me flabbergasted.
The only person that ever became successful at that didn't even major in it:
he graduated in 1960 with a BS in home economics.
A BS in Home Ec - says it all doesn't it?

Anonymous Senghendrake September 16, 2015 9:50 AM  

Speaking as someone who went through such a post-secondary course, seeing a similar action here would be an enormous relief. Of course, anyone suggesting it would be immediately labeled "anti-education", "pro-ignorance" and so on.

The fact is, a lot of the problems with SJW-ism we're suffering now can be directly traced to overt Marxists in academia. It's the head of the snake.

Blogger Were-Puppy September 16, 2015 9:50 AM  

@6 Cail Corishev
Now I'd have to tell students not to go to college at all, but to be sure to study Plato, Aristotle, and so on on their own while learning a trade by doing.
---

This is really good advice.

Anonymous Senghendrake September 16, 2015 9:55 AM  

"I've since learned that he was right about what was important, but I couldn't give the same advice today. What's the chance that you'll get a good philosophy teacher who bases it on the classics, and not some modernist whose only firm belief is that you shouldn't have any? Now I'd have to tell students not to go to college at all, but to be sure to study Plato, Aristotle, and so on on their own while learning a trade by doing."

I have to say, I've had a similar experience. I only started reading philosophy when I left university, and knowing what goes on inside university departments I couldn't possibly recommend that someone pursue it academically.

Blogger Quadko September 16, 2015 9:58 AM  

Wow, I had imagined such a public stance taken in America but didn't think it was in the realm of possibility anywhere beyond fantasy. In the US it would just take the government saying "we only give loans for STEM & Medical degrees to focus our resources on the needs of society," they wouldn't need to "instruct" universities at all. I have no problem with people getting softer degrees, but they should have to pay for them themselves.

Since the regard given Academics by society is basically for helping win WWII and getting us to the Moon, there's been lots of "free ride" regard-by-association, along with about the most successful SJW entryism anywhere. I wouldn't mind firing any professor at a public university who refuses to work with the Military to prepare to win WWIII, either. Higher education would immediately improve drastically.

Anonymous praetorian September 16, 2015 9:59 AM  

What is being "taught" is nothing more than dyscivic, dyscivilizational propaganda, contra the pretensions of the academics, the humanities now teach students how to actively avoid thinking.

It's almost like it's intentional...

Blogger ScuzzaMan September 16, 2015 10:04 AM  

@Cail Corishev:

That's the Mark Twain principle, is it not?

"I never let my schooling get in the way of my education."
--Samuel Langhorne Clemens

Anonymous Aeoli Pera September 16, 2015 10:04 AM  

@49 buzzardist,

Thanks for pointing that out. That actually makes this decision a lot more interesting. It means either 1) their liberal arts programs actively make students less useful (unlikely), 2) their STEM programs make students much more useful than otherwise (somewhat likely), and/or 3) the system is trying to squeeze every last drop of marginal economic productivity out of each student.

Given the way they treat young people over there, I'd expect #3. Probably the old folks are trying to heat the house by throwing their kids into the fireplace.

Anonymous Aachen September 16, 2015 10:06 AM  

G.K. Chesterton:
“Without education, we are in a horrible and deadly danger of taking educated people seriously.”

Blogger Were-Puppy September 16, 2015 10:13 AM  

@31 PA

With SJWs-lite, you can make temporary progress in turning them, but then like a pulled rubber band that you let go of, they revert to their leftism
---

As Herman Cain says, “You save the saveable”.
Some people are just never going to get it. Don't waste a huge amount of time on those.

Blogger Rabbi B September 16, 2015 10:18 AM  

My grandparents found reasons for the existence of their family and the fulfillment of their duties in serious writings, and they interpreted their special sufferings with respect to a great and ennobling past. … There was a respect for real learning, because it had a felt connection with their lives. … I do not believe that my generation, my cousins who have been educated in the American way, all of whom are M.D.s or Ph.D.s, have any comparable learning. When they talk about heaven and earth, the relations between men and women, parents and children, the human condition, I hear nothing but clichés, superficialities, the material of satire.

Closing of the American Mind, Allan Bloom

Blogger RC September 16, 2015 10:20 AM  

It is gut-wrenching to observe an advanced, formerly moral society self-destructing in real-time. It just didn't have to be so. The utter evil of universities deconstructing parental instruction, cultural mores, religious foundations, and intellectual rigor merits the natural consequences that will be forthcoming. It's rather like rafting the upper Colorado, peaceful and calm, not knowing that around the next bend lies Gore Canyon, transforming the wide and peaceful river into a class V monster. One best be prepared before entering the canyon. We're entering the canyon and the society in general is so oblivious it doesn't even have a boat.

Blogger Paul Marker September 16, 2015 10:25 AM  

Social Science is Neither

Blogger Student in Blue September 16, 2015 10:28 AM  

@44. buzzardist
Graduates in the U.S. only gain status markers if they go to one of the Ivy League or similarly respectable universities. Beyond that, it really doesn't matter where you graduate from.

Sort of true. There's still a difference between, say, a big state school (somewhere around the middle), and community college (at the bottom).

Effectively there's not much of a difference, but it's still a bragging point that "oh at least my degree isn't from a community college like you!".

In the U.S., where a person graduates from makes no difference with respect to salaries after about 20 years.[...]You know your superiors based on what high schools and universities everybody went to, and you will be socially punished if you don't give deference to those distinctions.

That there is probably the difference I wasn't seeing.

Most, so far, aren't actually shrinking, even if the percentage of U.S.-born students is going down.

They basically *ought* to be going in the same trajectory. Instead, US institutions band-aid by using immigrants. They seem to share the same concept that "everyone needs to go to college!", and spend money as if that's going to be true.

Anonymous Hugh September 16, 2015 10:29 AM  

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/16/business/international/europe-must-plan-for-immigration-juggernaut.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=first-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0

You cannot stop it!

Blogger David-2 September 16, 2015 10:29 AM  

@24 I have to disagree with your rant, Steve. Twinkies don't go rancid. (Stale, yes.)

#415

Anonymous The other robot September 16, 2015 10:29 AM  

We also need to get certain types of people off campuses.

Blogger RC September 16, 2015 10:32 AM  

Rabbi: "Closing of the American Mind, Allan Bloom"

A most excellent book. I remain surprised that it was ever published. I'm going to pull it from my bookshelf and put it in the stack. I look forward to seeing how it reads nearly thirty years on.

Blogger njartist September 16, 2015 10:38 AM  

35. YIH
Excellent link to Captain Capitalism.

Blogger YIH September 16, 2015 10:41 AM  

Rather related:
I'm sure their politics are equally diverse.

Anonymous A Visitor September 16, 2015 10:43 AM  

"The ministerial decree has been denounced by one university president as “anti-intellectual”, while the universities of Tokyo and Kyoto, regarded as the country’s most prestigious, have said that they will not comply with the request."

Speaking as someone who has a polisci degree, I wholeheartedly concur that society would be better served with those programs left out of curriculum. I started off as an engineering major but switched when I decided I wouldn't like it. Who knows? Throwing around the idea of possibly going back.

"However, 17 national universities will stop recruiting students to humanities and social science courses – including law and economics..."

How are law and econ considered part of social sciences and humanities?

"Instead they will behave as proper little informants for the stasi and will go running screaming and sobbing with tears pouring down their cheeks to the diversity provosts."

*******! I used to screw with the heads of said people my senior year. It was fun watching liberals meltdown.

@6 The SOLE two places I know to get a good philosophy teacher are my alma mater and a grad school buddy's.

"Maybe Catholics and Protestants could do well to have their kids at least study the philosophical underpinning of Western Christianity and where we are today?"

Speaking as a Catholic having gone to Catholic grade school and Catholic high school, I think that's a phenomenal idea. What I got, in retrospect, was so watered down compared to what previous generations got. I feel robbed which is the same sentiment I feel towards American history (having had to learn on my own time).

@21 Use Opera.

@24 Your description of Phil made me laugh at several points. Thank you!

"...so far American universities are maintaining and even expanding enrollment numbers by aggressively recruiting foreign students." My old university put in a tuition freeze but now, surprise surprise, recruits more out of state and foreign students than in state students because they get more money. I'd like to think years down the road when the current system collapses that maybe we could go back to the 19th century model of universities: teaching positions awarded to those who HAVE ACTUALLY DONE the work: i.e. teach mechanical engineering if you're a mech engineer, etc.

@50 Is home ec even offered anywhere in the country as a major?

Also, I was born in the mid-80's but damn it, women need to go to finishing schools again!

Blogger El Borak September 16, 2015 10:44 AM  

OT: #SJWs always double down:

The Norwegian Nobel Committee, based in Oslo Norway, announced yesterday the name of their laureate for the 2015 Nobel Prize for Peace. President Barack Hussain Obama is their selection for this years prestigious award...

Afte rall the crap they received for giving President Dronetosser the first one, they had no choice but to proffer up another.

Blogger David-2 September 16, 2015 10:52 AM  

@71 - that's a hoax/joke site

Anonymous RedJack #22 September 16, 2015 10:53 AM  

After hiring a few new engineers, I think we need to drastically cut STEM also. Many are not even capable of being technicians, let alone engineers. The market is flooded, and we have more and more H1B's coming in.

Blogger Carl Philipp September 16, 2015 10:56 AM  

@24
Instead of not necessarily molesting children, he might have created some.

Blogger Quadko September 16, 2015 10:57 AM  

@73 RedJack #22 "many [new engineers] are not even capable of being technicians..."

I think that's always been true - that's why many engineers still need an apprenticeship after graduating. Unless you mean it's gotten even much worse than that.

Blogger Rabbi B September 16, 2015 10:58 AM  

@67 RC

"I look forward to seeing how it reads nearly thirty years on."

Yes, I picked it up in 1995 when I began teaching at a classical school modeled after the trivium. It's been a while since I have read it, but on of the points that stands out in my memory was his section about required "core curriculum" that was recently introduced in universities. What passes for so-called "core-curriculum" now is merely a cheap substitute for what used to be a rigorous and truly liberal education.

We've come a long way, baby.

Blogger njartist September 16, 2015 11:00 AM  

@67. RC

Rabbi: "Closing of the American Mind, Allan Bloom"
A most excellent book.


Read it back in the 80's. I bought it because i was reading Camille Paglia at the time and he was her mentor. Excellent book.

Anonymous Sam the Man September 16, 2015 11:02 AM  

As a chap who had two kids in the last decade, I do not think they are that expensive until you want to send them to post high school education. At that point it does become very expensive.

That said if you are willing to forgo the traditional university program and do the frit two years part time, taking advantage of the local schools and on line programs, you can reduce the reall expense to the last two years. By that time you will know if your kid has what it takes to pursue a real degree or not. The two years spent in non traditional schooling and some work will prepare the kid for the real world.

My wife and I have seen to way too many kids who spent high school and college pursuing easy crap with no job experience to come out and find they are totally unprepared for the real world. Typically the parents are tapped out by the end of that and assume that having given the kids a degree they are ready to face the world like they were in the 1980s. It is a far different world today.

I expect in the next decade you will see a decline in useless degrees here as well, unless the left manages to get the free degree programs going, as pushed by the lizard queen and the Vermont socialist.

Blogger YIH September 16, 2015 11:03 AM  

@68 njartist:
Thanks. It's a good blog BTW. The guest post took the right approach to music, music as a trade, how does one make a living at it?
Colleges focus on ''music as an art'' not what you can do with it post-school.
Symphonies? Vibrants don't go to those, and increasingly, neither do Whites.
As that post points out, studio work is virtually extinct. Recording sales are nearly meaningless (even for the big names) it's literally perform live or starve.

Blogger Dexter September 16, 2015 11:03 AM  

Now it is too expensive to have children. I know people that would like to have more children but it is to expensive to and it would disadvantage the existing children they have now.

This is a bullshit rationalization that people trot out who don't want to have more children regardless of how much it costs.

Anonymous Senghendrake September 16, 2015 11:05 AM  

On the subject of universities (especially humanities) being PC up the wahoo:

"Posters promoting “White Student Union” removed from Toronto university campus"

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/dailybrew/posters-put-up-around-ryersons-campus-promoting-a-185356582.html?cache=clear

I'm willing to bet Japanese universities suffer from apologetic, pacifistic self-loathing even more than the rest of the country.

Blogger Dexter September 16, 2015 11:06 AM  

Symphonies? Vibrants don't go to those, and increasingly, neither do Whites.

A while back a guy told me that his city (of about 200,000 in the South) had a "symphony orchestra" in order to indicate it wasn't a backwater full of yokels or something.

I don't give a shit about the orchestra. I have always lived in places with an orchestra and I have been maybe once in the past 20 years.

Bookstores are what I care about...

Blogger El Borak September 16, 2015 11:10 AM  

@72 "that's a hoax/joke site"

Well, shit. Poe's Law strikes again.

/LurkMode Reengaged

Blogger BunE22 September 16, 2015 11:11 AM  

A second peace prize? It's like the Hugos.

Blogger YIH September 16, 2015 11:12 AM  

@72 David-2:
that's a hoax/joke site.
You can barely even call it that, it appears all it does is scrape (steal) content from sites like The Onion.

Anonymous praetorian September 16, 2015 11:14 AM  

that's why many engineers still need an apprenticeship after graduating.

Absolutely.

I studied programming languages in grad school at One of The Best Schools, then went to a startup to work on their in-house language. I suspect the classes I took on parsing & PL theory hurt me more than they helped me: they were extremely theoretical and research-oriented. Ironically, after five years of practical experience, I was in a far better position to appreciate the theoretical knowledge that was wasted on me earlier.

The problem is that technical knowledge needs to be layered and built upon, year after year. The older engineering faculty have enjoyed growing up through the tech revolution and so got the base layers and context of todays technology, whereas younger people today start at extremely abstract and highly contextual points and are unlikely to have time to dedicate to building up the contextual knowledge necessary for adapting to future, non-linear change.

There is a related argument for keeping manufacturing in your country...

Anonymous The other robot September 16, 2015 11:14 AM  

Forget the Japanese, two little girls put pussy into space!

Blogger Chiva September 16, 2015 11:15 AM  

The market is flooded, and we have more and more H1B's coming in.

And companies love this. The suppression of wages is good for the bottom line.
Nevermind that the new products may very well be pieces of crap.

Anonymous praetorian September 16, 2015 11:19 AM  

I should also say, as an aside: fuck shift-reduce parsing. When I am emperor dictator, it's up against the wall for everyone who teaches it.

Recursive-descent for all.

Blogger njartist September 16, 2015 11:21 AM  

@79. YIH
As an artist at sixty-six years old, let me say that it is just as bad, even worse, in the studio arts. The University art department where I got my MFA concentrates on abstract act; which, if you do not understand the basics, is trash: abstract thought is the basis of all art; and that is what they do not teach.

The writer is correct though that the Ivy League colleges give better instruction; but, then, I went to two universities which had so-called Ivy League campuses; yet, my campus art department had the better professors: in one case, an IL professor destroyed an impressive art department when he replaced the department founder as chairman.

If I was starting out today, I would go into computer programming: that is where the intelligent go these days.

Blogger YIH September 16, 2015 11:33 AM  

@85 praetorian:
I suspect the classes I took on parsing & PL theory hurt me more than they helped me: they were extremely theoretical and research-oriented.
Denninger points out that colleges are about as good/useful for computers/IT as they are for music:
"Computer Science" departments are somewhat about computers but only marginally about science. Never mind the utterly ridiculous devaluation of advanced degree credentials, and not just in this department either. In time gone by you had to break genuine new ground to obtain an advanced degree -- your thesis had to be on something never before done and in some way materially advance the field.
And that's if you don't get laid off in favor of an H1b.

Blogger Feather Blade September 16, 2015 11:35 AM  

@70 Is home ec even offered anywhere in the country as a major?

It is, more or less, but they call it "Family and Consumer Sciences". And I highly doubt that they teach women how to fix their own appliances like Home Ec programs used to.

Anonymous RedJack #22 September 16, 2015 11:37 AM  

@75 It is worse than that. We had two interns, with great GPA's from formerly good schools, that no only didn't understand a multieffect evaporator, they didn't even know what a ladder was. Oh, and both of these were from Indian/Asian countries. To say I was shocked is an understatement. I went to school with one of the professors, and they told me they have had to dummy down the courses so all the international students can pass.

They were not even worth the price we paid them for interns.

Most engineers graduate now with hundreds of thousands of debt, and are competing for jobs paying around $60K. Many start working as techs, but leave the field and either go on welfare or go back to school because they can't afford the loan payments.

We have a good one now, but it took a long time to find. And we were pulling from everywhere east of the Rockies. This isn't because the oil field guys got all the good ones, it is because the educational product is so poor and so expensive. Many are not going into the field because they can see what is going on, and a good engineer has long time preference. When that means "Don't study a STEM degree", the resulting "engineers" are pretty poor compared to a few decades ago

Blogger The Rev September 16, 2015 11:38 AM  

@buzzardist is dropping truth bombs.

"Ultimately, what the country lacks is children. And since women who don't attend college aren't doing particularly better at childbearing than women who do attend college, Abe is merely rearranging deck chairs."

This, a thousand times this. Japan's demographic crisis isn't just bad on paper.

Remember, it's not just Social Studies departments closing, it's primary schools shutting down and being merged because there aren't enough children to keep them open.

http://www.nippon.com/en/column/l00018/

That's an older column, but then this isn't a recent problem.

Blogger Danby September 16, 2015 12:04 PM  

@8 Durandel
"Maybe Catholics and Protestants could do well to have their kids at least study the philosophical underpinning of Western Christianity and where we are today?"

Once upon a time, that was the entire point of a college education. Then the colleges, Catholic and Protestant both, decided that independence was more important than truth. And hiring an atheist was a wonderful way to show your independence. Too bad Atheists don't feel the reverse, that they can show their open-mindedness and intelligence by hiring a Christian.

Anonymous Curious September 16, 2015 12:10 PM  

@87 It is the measure of the decline of a society that they let girls do things that they are not best at.

Anonymous kfg September 16, 2015 12:12 PM  

" . . . students who would have gravitated toward them find themselves ill-suited in science and math classes."

Somebody has to pick up the garbage and patch the potholes.

Blogger YIH September 16, 2015 12:22 PM  

@91 Feather blade:
And I highly doubt that they teach women how to fix their own appliances like Home Ec programs used to.
No one fixes appliances anymore. A year ago my microwave bit the dust. I got a price quote on a magnetron (that's the tube that does the cooking) it's almost as easy to replace as a light bulb - bought a whole new microwave for $15 less.

Anonymous Jack Amok September 16, 2015 12:36 PM  

there is a lot in the Humanities and Social Sciences that can and should be tossed. But everything?

Absolutely.

History and philosophy are fine hobbies, but men who try to make a career out of them are suspect. What they usually end up doing is not furthering society's knowledge of history or philosophy, but instead creating parasitical institutions trying to suck up as much public money as possible. And to do that, they have to play to the worst instincts of people.

Better to do honest work in the day and contribute to your hobby in the evenings and weekends.

Anonymous BigGaySteve September 16, 2015 12:37 PM  

But if Japanese women can't get angry woman studies degrees they might start having kids.

Anonymous Aachen September 16, 2015 12:41 PM  

@80

I said ( even stressed) it was one of the reasons, but do not let that get in the way of your informative one sentence retort.

I used to live in one of the most expensive cities in the world. Rational people there panic about housing prices and buy in because they are more worried about being left behind than the inevitable crash (still waiting for it after a couple of decades, but I suspect its coming soon).

It is also one of the few places in the country with a healthy job market so you can't avoid living there. Childcare costs are amongst the highest in the world and both parent's have no choice but to work to stay above water. You can live 2 hours away on the outskirts but that doesn't save anything on the childcare costs and the housing prices don't drop much plus the public school in those areas are garbage. These people work some of the longest overtime hours of any OECD economy and overtime is expected unless you work for the government in which case your leeching the system till 5pm everyday.

On top of that the infrastructure is breaking down but the government feels the need to import an extra 20% of the city's current population from developing countries for well... they never did give us voters a reason... so just because I guess.

There is a reason the gay community is loved by companies, high disposable income due to no children.

You are confusing rich people choosing not to have children, because they never did have as many children anyway, with middle class people not having the time or money to do so. Rational people want more children but economic stress makes people act in irrational ways.

Blogger Quadko September 16, 2015 1:10 PM  

@93 RedJack #22

That's painful to hear. Here in software it can be bad, but not that bad. Plenty of good people who need training and experience, as long as the interview process can pick out the promising ones from the mix.

Anonymous BGS September 16, 2015 1:30 PM  

This is a bullshit rationalization that people trot out who don't want to have more children regardless of how much it costs.

I understand people wanting to raise their kids well, no whites want to live 15kids in a one bedroom next to crack dealers.

Anonymous KBT September 16, 2015 1:43 PM  

I've been toying with the idea of starting an engineering trade school. Your kid would leave my school able to completely design an electronic unit. Design the circuit board, program the FPGAs or processors, write external software to communicate with and test the unit, and even the first cut design at the physical human interface if it needs one. A whole class on human interfaces would be mandatory because the state of the art in that areas sucks globally.

I work on mostly tightly funded R&D stuff, so that's my job description there.

I think about all the crap general ed classes I had to take in college to supposedly make me more well rounded. They didn't. Hell, the Internet, with all its hideous flaws (and terrible interfaces :D ), has done a better job of that.

The only good one was a Comic Theory class where we'd watch comedy films and TV shows and then mercilessly dissect them. We even had a stand up comic come in and give a short set and then discuss how he developes his act. I actually learned a lot about humor that I use to this day in social situations. I credit the professor though. He had his shit together and a good course.

Blogger Cail Corishev September 16, 2015 2:05 PM  

When I did my one semester of college, the programming class (which I would have taken the next semester, I think) used Fortran on a VAX. By the time I would have graduated, most of the action was on Unix in C and its descendants. Had I stayed in college, I think some of the concepts they would have covered in CS classes would have been useful, but four years of tuition useful? I doubt it. Plus, I probably wouldn't have been spending as much time writing 8-bit and Z-80 assembly, then later getting into C and shell scripting, which were the things that got me work. Eventually I picked up some books on theory and got what I needed from them.

So I'd say a prospective programmer would be well served to learn some of the theory at the start -- but that could be done in a 6-month course or less, taken on the side while learning practical programming at a job. It shouldn't take years or require going into debt.

Blogger ray September 16, 2015 2:24 PM  

"Higher education has been entirely coopted by the SJWs who invaded the universities fifty years ago."


Right. Invaded about 50 years ago, and finished taking over by the early Nineties.

Close 'em down, as they are propaganda factories for ideologies of hatred and selfishness, covered-up as 'identity liberation' and 'progress' and 'egalitarianism'.

No wonder the government is always selling 'going to college', especially for females. That's where they get their Commie Card nowdays. While being told they are brave champions of liberalism and the glorious Equal Future.

Put all those feminist English and Writing faculties, those smug Identitarian Poli-Sci and Sociology professors, the vast army of Equality Officers and Harrassment Deans, out to the fields to do some real work for once in their privileged lives. Even picking up paper by the highways would be a vast improvement over destroying the nation, and its future generations, by riding the gravy-train of the Academic Politburo.

Blogger Pseudotsuga September 16, 2015 2:41 PM  

Well, dang--as an instructor in the Humanities, I don't like this trend. I'm one of the vanishing number of non-SJW people in the Humanities, soI can see exactly why they are resorting to brute force surgery instead of trying to cure the sickness.
However, I wish it were otherwise, since the few left over are likely to not be conservative/libertarian in outlook (based on sheer numbers alone).

Anonymous ArnieF September 16, 2015 2:46 PM  

"What is being "taught" is nothing more than dyscivic, dyscivilizational propaganda, contra the pretensions of the academics, the humanities now teach students how to actively avoid thinking."

I hate statements like this. Their sweeping nature offers nothing of value, last alone truth or genuine thought or analysis.

Blogger ray September 16, 2015 2:50 PM  

Dark Ninja --

Yeah, I'll go along with that.

Anonymous I like Psykosonik September 16, 2015 2:51 PM  

Well, I do think the following lyrics by VoxDay might apply here...

You cannot build a science to allay despair
There is no atheism, God is everywhere
So will you build a temple to the race of Man?
There is no separation, can't you understand?

Blogger Shimshon September 16, 2015 2:57 PM  

@105 Cail When I was in college in the 1980s, when they still taught (and required) assembly for CS degrees, they transitioned from nice, old, easy to understand, and fun, PDP-11 clones to these abominable AT&T 3b2 Unixen, which weren't even networked with the rest of the university. These machines must've been donated. They were horrible.

Also, the data structures course migrated from C to C++ as the language of instruction. Almost as if they were just following the trend du jour.

Today, I see little reason to pursue a CS-type degree. They're dumbed down considerably and as you note their relevance was always somewhat low.

Blogger Anthony Gillis, the Hydra-Headed Mockery September 16, 2015 3:11 PM  

@24 Steve, the Dark Ninja of Mockery

THAT was epic!
Though I think a true monument to Phil Sandifer should be pressure-molded from stale cheesy snacks, beard parts, and failed, wasted dreams.

Anonymous praetorian September 16, 2015 3:12 PM  

So I'd say a prospective programmer would be well served to learn some of the theory at the start -- but that could be done in a 6-month course or less, taken on the side while learning practical programming at a job. It shouldn't take years or require going into debt.

I agree with that. As I said above, I'd prefer a layered approach, something like this:

Start with a high level, easy to approach and practical language like python to get the programming bug. Learn how to use that language to produce useful software, including how to use data structures like arrays/lists and maps.

One year break for apprenticeship.

Now, down to the assembly, then C, then implementing the stuff you learned to work with in the high-level classes (data structures, parsers, etc.) with minimal theory.

One year break for apprenticeship.

Finally, theory for the few that are interested in academic research.

Anonymous fish September 16, 2015 3:24 PM  

105. Cail Corishev September 16, 2015 2:05 PM

So I'd say a prospective programmer would be well served to learn some of the theory at the start -- but that could be done in a 6-month course or less, taken on the side while learning practical programming at a job. It shouldn't take years or require going into debt.



Since you raise the issue do you have any opinions about the "Code Academy" or other similar online learning portals?

Anonymous Curious September 16, 2015 3:26 PM  

Since you raise the issue do you have any opinions about the "Code Academy" or other similar online learning portals?

If you mean codecademy, I have heard that they teach you fill-in-the-blanks stuff and give you copious hints if you can't answer the questions ...


Blogger Gaiseric ! September 16, 2015 3:43 PM  

@107 Pseudotsuga The benefit of the Humanites—although this is true for all subjects, I think in many ways its even easier for most Humanities—is that formal instruction isn't necessary. With a will to learn, anyone can do it.

I'm not quite at the place where I'll tell my kids not to go to college at all yet; the right degree with a wise eye on your money can still make it a worthwhile investment if you're very careful. But I am fond of telling them that everything I've learned that was useful or even interesting, I learned on my own due to my own natural curiosity.

Anonymous fish September 16, 2015 3:58 PM  

115. Curious September 16, 2015 3:26 PM


....and I'm open to other suggestions!

Blogger Cail Corishev September 16, 2015 4:06 PM  

Since you raise the issue do you have any opinions about the "Code Academy" or other similar online learning portals?

No, I'm not familiar with them. I still do it the old fashioned way: get a book or tutorial, and start working through examples and building something. I'm not opposed to new learning methods; I'm just old.

Blogger Cail Corishev September 16, 2015 4:15 PM  

women need to go to finishing schools again!

Miss Hunter's College on the Hudson River, New York, For Young Ladies of Good Families!

Blogger Pseudotsuga September 16, 2015 4:20 PM  

@116--Gaiseric!:
I must largely agree with you that formal instruction isn't necessary. I believe that the old British model of university education bears this out: a new student met with the tutor, got handed a load of books, and then they didn't meet again for months until the student had read the books and then had something to say about those books (demonstrated in writing a paper). This is basically what I experienced in grad school (except that the professors and students met more frequently than the British example above).
I remain dubious that it would work on an undergraduate level because I see the ability of most incoming Freshmen to read and think about complex texts--and most of them don't have it. There are many students who don't belong in college, but they need the credential (or so the American job market wrongfully demands of them), so they pay their money to sit in classes for years until they get one.
They have been taught, for years, that literature is aggressive progressivism--it aint' good if it ain't all social justicey, and the received canon is all white patriarchy aimed at suppression of every other kind of person. Shakespeare is hard and boring, but modern oral formulaic poetry (i.e. rapping) is all good, becuz it's keepin' it real and s**t.
Composition classes (which are mostly what I teach) are tough--these people have been taught that writing is self-expression, and nothing else matters. To them, writing is merely re-stating what you think, rather than clear expression and examination of how and why you think something. It's Vox's rhetoric vs. dialiectic problem. The modern American is drowning in a sea of rhetoric, and dialectic has little place in popular culture.
I start my students' readings with a set of essays explaning why most students don't need to be in college -- they rarely read anything challenging that notion, and I am all about challenging the "narrative" (which is basically SJWism).

Anonymous Curious September 16, 2015 4:27 PM  

....and I'm open to other suggestions!

Cail is correct. There are lots of tutorials out there, but eventually you have to write something.

I like tutorials better because you have to read lots of code to make new stuff or fix things, so you better get used to reading code and not being told about it.

Either:

1. Write some code, even some moderately complex code, from scratch, to do something of interest to you, or

2. Find a project out there that you like but that you think needs improving and make the changes.

You would likely do 2 after doing 1. Don't get too ambitious but after 6 months of doing you should be in a good position.

If your changes turn into contributions to a project and they are accepted, then you are well on your way to becoming known and employable.

Anonymous Curious September 16, 2015 4:29 PM  

I'm not opposed to new learning methods; I'm just old.

With all those TV programs about building rockets and computers and things, I haven't seen too many kids actually put that to use.

Blogger Joe A. September 16, 2015 6:26 PM  

Japan is almost ceaselessly fascinating.

Blogger maniacprovost September 16, 2015 6:42 PM  

With all those TV programs about building rockets and computers and things, I haven't seen too many kids actually put that to use.

Who wants to build a rocket when you can watch TV?

Their fathers aren't going to do it with them. They're either divorced, in prison, alcoholics, or working 80 hours a week to pay taxes.

The police will most likely come shoot any kid who built a rocket without a colorful cardboard kit.

The FAA will arrest anyone who flies too high.

DHS will come after you for buying too many explosives at once, and many stores won't sell them to kids anyway.

Plenty of kids either 1) Can't read the directions, 2) Don't speak English, 3) Can't afford it, 4) Live in an urban area. You see a lot of amateur rocketeers downtown?

Making things take skills that are not taught, activities that are legally prohibited, and resources that barely exist any more. On the other hand, Minecraft has all the virtual blocks you could possibly want to build anything up to and including a digitally controlled robot.

Anonymous Konstantinos September 16, 2015 6:49 PM  

"Only a fool would let his enemies teach his children" - Malcolm X

Blogger ray September 16, 2015 7:37 PM  

Go Hawks!

http://news.yahoo.com/richard-sherman-starts-press-conference-221707456.html


Maybe Jack Amok and his african Richie Rich could gather up the Gang and terrorize another castrated white male 'leader' off his speaking platform? Assuming these millionaire Sleazehawks can leave their mansions long enough to teach us Crackuh Racists that Black Lives Matter?

Shit, that didn't take long, did it Jack? :O)


Anonymous PTT RIP September 16, 2015 7:44 PM  

"Steve, I kind of choked up and got a little misty-eyed when I thought of burning down the universities and salting the earth."

One can dream about this event occurring. I prefer to remain realistic. Undoubtedly, there are significant instances of free speech purges on college campuses. Time will tell if these examples are pervasive and persistent to the level that some argue is "parasitic".

"When these bastions of corruption are toppled the nation will breathe a sigh of relief that endless useless studies and countless millions of dollars will not longer go to fund parasitic institutions poisoning the minds of so many."

Great imagination.

Listen, is it not up to individuals themselves to seek an education they deem worthy, whether it be in the trades, in the sciences, or in the school of life?

"Close 'em down, as they are propaganda factories for ideologies of hatred and selfishness, covered-up as 'identity liberation' and 'progress' and 'egalitarianism'."

And replace them with what? Schools designed to allegedly speak objectively to youth about race realism and the "true" meaning of Christianity?

That, in itself, is the epitome of propaganda and gatekeeping.

Blogger Danby September 16, 2015 7:55 PM  

"And replace them with what? Schools designed to allegedly speak objectively to youth about race realism and the "true" meaning of Christianity?"

Replace them with NOTHING

At least nothing that gets my money.

Anonymous Whitey McWhite September 16, 2015 7:58 PM  

127. PTT RIP: "And replace them with what?"

Parks.

Blogger ray September 16, 2015 8:15 PM  

RIP -- "And replace them with what? Schools designed to allegedly speak objectively to youth about race realism and the "true" meaning of Christianity? That, in itself, is the epitome of propaganda and gatekeeping."


You are a liar. And, I'd surmise, also a thief. Of the common weal, if not thy neighbor's goods.

Replace them with exactly nada. Because for time being, any sanity or fairness one attempted to substitute on American campuses would be crushed by the many interests (like, apparently, you) that vampirize the nation by feeding off our academized evil, and profiting from same.

The nation doesn't need you, and it doesn't need 90% of the bloated, vile Propaganda Curricula called 'colleges'. Put them to REAL work, that builds their character and confidence, not their sense of endless entitlement and empowerment. Salt and lime for the stubborn.

Sounds like you got a right-good Hate On for Christ and Christianity, too! Why ain't I 'sprized?


'I prefer to remain realistic. Undoubtedly, there are significant instances of free speech purges on college campuses. Time will tell if these examples are pervasive and persistent to the level that some argue is "parasitic".'


You call willful denial and blindness 'realism'? TIME will tell if there are pervasive problems with free-speech on U.S. campuses?

Time told that tale decades ago, after Cistah Censor and her Professional Victim Alliance ALREADY conquered the schools, government, etc. Silencing everything and everybody connected with anything true. What planet you been on while all this went down?

Anonymous Cheddarman September 16, 2015 8:17 PM  

And replace them with what? @127

replace them with whatever the free market decides!

Blogger Cail Corishev September 16, 2015 8:36 PM  

Police Chief: We have a plan that will eliminate all the crack dens, meth labs, and brothels in town.
PTT RIP: And replace them with what?

Anonymous Jack Amok September 16, 2015 11:31 PM  

If you mean codecademy, I have heard that they teach you fill-in-the-blanks stuff and give you copious hints if you can't answer the questions ...


If you're not familiar with writing code at all, start with something like that. The hints are fine, they help you see the process. But eventually you'll need to find some on-line tutorials to work through and, when you're comfortable enough with that, build something yourself.

Don't worry if you don't know all the proper theories, patterns, etc. Software is something where it's better to learn bad habits that you can break than it is to get bogged down with theory and feel like you're dragging too much "should do it this way" baggage to finish a project.

Build something, then go study how you can make it better. Rinse and repeat.

Anonymous Jack Amok September 16, 2015 11:40 PM  

ray, you take "obnoxious asshole" to a whole new level. And you're probably proud of it. But you're not an asshole in the good way. Certainly not in any way that would make women hot or men jealous. I'm sure you can't help yourself though.

You don't seem to understand what Richard Sherman said, but then that's not surprising. He's better at life than you. But I have to ask, why do you bring up (other than to have a chance at mischaracterizing something and sputtering out a few put downs that a sixth grader would be ashamed to use) a completely unrelated topic? This isn't a football thread. This isn't a blacklivesmatter thread. Vox didn't tag this with "NWA Was Right". So what feeble spark of near-intelligence crawling through your not-tall-enough-for-the-ride brain made you think it was an appropriate thing to comment on here?

You mad bro?

Anonymous The other robot September 16, 2015 11:54 PM  

Build something, then go study how you can make it better. Rinse and repeat.

This! Working code that you spent a month on beats beautiful code and algorithms that took you six months to write and doesn't yet work.

Anonymous Discard September 17, 2015 2:17 AM  

Assuming that, as in America, social science in Japan is disproportionately female, this will tend to reduce the number of women in college. These women may be from the lower end of college students, but will be smarter than the average woman in the street. Some of them will begin to have children sooner than otherwise. This policy is not a complete fix for dysgenic practices, but it's a start. Reducing population in a crowded country may be a good thing, but not if the reduction comes from the right side of the bell curve.

Anonymous Discard September 17, 2015 2:33 AM  

If you can't do at least a half assed job of educating yourself, you have no business going to college. Shut down every school in the country, take a year to sort out the useful from the useless, and re-open them. Anybody who actually belonged in school would not have wasted the time off, and life would continue without the burden of useless unscholars.

Anonymous Discard September 17, 2015 4:25 AM  

4. Cataline Sergius: WRT the article you linked to, the problem is not political correctness, it is that the students are turning on their insufficiently correct professors. The bastards created a monster, that is now turning to eat them.

Anonymous Koanic September 17, 2015 5:56 AM  

Japan has played little brother to America since WWII. With China rising, is the K transition happening? Is this the beginning of their break?

Surely this action was not State Department approved.

Blogger Phunctor September 23, 2015 3:58 AM  

@108 Arnie
Thank you for telling us about your feelings. Is there anything about the real or factual basis of the statements you criticize that you'd like us to know? You see, we don't care about your feelings, but there's an outside chance you might come up with som.. nah. Forget it.

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