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Tuesday, September 22, 2015

More lessons in rhetoric

Chublie Martin is now into his fourth day of demonstrating that he doesn't care and he totally isn't triggered at all:
Charlie Martin
The funniest part of this is you *still* haven't thought of anything more creative than fat jokes.

Vox Day
It's funny because you're fat. And because you're STILL crying into your gallon tub of Blue Bunny.

Thales
Watching @voxday tear down rhetoric speakers is like watching a Kung Fu master fight an overweight couch potato. Literally, in this case.

A Street in Texas
quit. Vox is dominating this thread 64RT/127FAV to 2/3

Charlie Martin
Go home. You're not big enough to ride this ride.

Minion 278
what is the minimum weight limit, 350lbs?

Vox Day
Chublie, ARETHA FRANKLIN isn't big enough to ride you.

Charlie Martin
Oh, don't forget small penis.

Charlie Martin
You could say I have a big nose.

Charlie Martin
You could say I dress funny.

Charlie Martin
You could say I don't speak Telegu.

Charlie Martin
You could make fun of my beard.

Charlie Martin
Mom was Jewish, you could call me a kike.

Charlie Martin
Look, I'll give you some help: racial slurs. You could call me a Muslim,

Charlie Martin
I mean, OMG he might make another fat joke.

Vox Day
We didn't make any fat jokes, Chublie. Your mother did.
For some reason, those losing a rhetorical battle often resort to the fighting withdrawal of the overwhelmed loser: "real original". But not only will you search Aristotle in vain for any reference to originality, you will learn that a) truth and b) repetition are among the most potent rhetorical tactics.

Of course, this isn't a fair fight. Not only is Mr. Martin considerably less experienced at dealing with intelligent opponents than I am, his real handicap is socio-sexual. Gammas should never take on Alphas and they should never, ever take on Sigmas. An Alpha will stop beating on the Gamma when he feels that the challenge has been dealt with and his dominant position is secured. A Sigma will stop beating on the Gamma when it stops amusing him.

This can, as we know, take a considerable while.

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112 Comments:

Blogger Josh September 22, 2015 1:39 PM  

What's the Gamma equivalent of Lesbian Dorito Night?

Blogger Alexander September 22, 2015 1:41 PM  

It's fun watching the gamma try and pull off "Don't throw me in the briar patch."

HERE ARE ALL THE NAMES YOU CAN CALL ME JUST PLEASE STOP CALLING ME THE ONE THAT IS MAKING MANY BADFEELS.

Blogger Noah B #120 September 22, 2015 1:53 PM  

You use your tongue prettier than a two dollar whore.

Blogger Rabbi B September 22, 2015 1:56 PM  

Poor, dumb gammas. Never learn.

Blogger Josh September 22, 2015 1:57 PM  

If they could learn, they wouldn't be gamma

Blogger maniacprovost September 22, 2015 1:57 PM  

I still don't see the point of this unless you are trying to discredit him or poach his followers. ... Oh.

Blogger Patrick Kelly September 22, 2015 1:58 PM  

" A Sigma will stop beating on the Gamma when it stops amusing him."

So Sigmas are bullies?

Blogger Rabbi B September 22, 2015 1:58 PM  

@5 Josh

Touche.

Blogger Ron September 22, 2015 1:58 PM  

And that is one difference between alphas and stigmas that most people simply don't get. Most alphas will stop once their dominance has been asserted, sigmas are likely to beat you to a bloody pulp. If you are lucky we might admit to ourselves we took it too far, but you will never hear it from our lips.

Blogger Rabbi B September 22, 2015 1:59 PM  

"So Sigmas are bullies?"

Educators.

Blogger Steve, the Dark Ninja of Mockery September 22, 2015 2:01 PM  

What's the Gamma equivalent of Lesbian Dorito Night?

Doctor Who and a wank night.

Blogger Chris Scena September 22, 2015 2:02 PM  

@7

Bullies start the fight. Vox didn't start this, but it sure looks like he is the one who will end it. Just like I tell my boys, don't start a fight, but if you get in one, beat the ever-loving shit out of the other guy.

Blogger Patrick Kelly September 22, 2015 2:02 PM  

@10 "Educators."

Ok, I get that. I'm a bit touchy about about bullies. When I was a wee lil' Micksican suffered it quite a bit.

Now that I'm a tired old man who has given most of his fks away, I have been able to project enough fierceness avoid it. Seems to work, I haven't had to shoot anyone yet.



Blogger Ron September 22, 2015 2:02 PM  

Rabbi has it. Pain is an effective teacher. Unfortunately gammas learn from little else and usually it's only how to avoid the pain, not correcting the behaviors that resulted in it.

Blogger VD September 22, 2015 2:03 PM  

So Sigmas are bullies?

Depends upon your definition. I don't consider someone a bully who minds his own business, doesn't bother anyone, but enjoys beating the absolute hell out of anyone who decides to take him on.

Perhaps you do. But more importantly, not all Sigmas are like that, the point is that the Sigma will do what suits him, he will not abide by whatever the accepted social standard is.

Blogger Wojciech Majda September 22, 2015 2:04 PM  

Vox Day
"We didn't make any fat jokes, Chublie. Your mother did."

Fatality!

Blogger RobertT September 22, 2015 2:05 PM  

He's acting like fat jokes roll right off his fat back, but we all know that"s bullshit

Blogger VD September 22, 2015 2:05 PM  

It's fun watching the gamma try and pull off "Don't throw me in the briar patch."

Precisely. That's what makes the final punchline so funny.

Blogger Patrick Kelly September 22, 2015 2:07 PM  

@15 VD

Yeah, I took your comment a bit personal when I shouldn't.

An Alpha doesn't hesitate to bully someone they see as a threat to their status, whereas a Sigma doesn't care as long as the lil' idiot like me doesn't directly challenge them.

Blogger VD September 22, 2015 2:08 PM  

He's acting like fat jokes roll right off his fat back, but we all know that"s bullshit

The problem with the "act like you don't care" tactic is that in order for it to be convincing, you have to actually ACT LIKE YOU DON'T CARE. Simply declaring that you don't care while demonstrating that you care very much indeed, whether by bursting into tears or by tweeting 85 times in an hour, is not going to convince anyone.

Blogger Noah B #120 September 22, 2015 2:11 PM  

"He's acting like fat jokes roll right off his fat back, but we all know that"s bullshit"

I would think almost anything would roll off of a back that round.

Blogger Nate September 22, 2015 2:13 PM  

the proper rhetorical response to a fat joke is to pat your belly and say, "Yep... i'm fat... but you're dumb. And I can diet."

Blogger VD September 22, 2015 2:13 PM  

An Alpha doesn't hesitate to bully someone they see as a threat to their status, whereas a Sigma doesn't care as long as the lil' idiot like me doesn't directly challenge them.

Yep. Sigmas don't regard status as relevant, so they don't see the intrinsic threat in existence that those who respect hierarchy do. The best way to approach a Sigma, regardless of your rank, is as an equal.

I don't behave any differently with ambassadors and CEOs than I do with children. Looking back on one particular lunch, I may actually be more formal with the latter since I'm less likely to be drinking.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan September 22, 2015 2:16 PM  

Who is Charlie Martin and why should I care?

Blogger Gaiseric ! September 22, 2015 2:16 PM  

So, the cuckservative admits his mom is a Jew? It's almost like he's TRYING to draw attention to the link there or something.

Blogger RobertT September 22, 2015 2:19 PM  

10 15 So Sigmas are bullies.

This is straight out of the lib playbook. We're naughty if we reply in kind. Actually we won't start evening the playing field until we start attacking them unprovoked. The same way they do us. So in this post, you're only half way there.

Blogger wrf3 September 22, 2015 2:20 PM  

On another front, Adam Baldwin vs. Patton Oswald.

Blogger Bluntobj Winz September 22, 2015 2:23 PM  

It's just bait to get the Dark Master into a bigot frame in a watcher's mind. Pure SJW tactic, and it exemplifies why chublie is a #Cuckservative in the first place.

VFM #0178 does love learning from the Dark Master's example in the art of rhetoric.

Blogger CM September 22, 2015 2:28 PM  

Who is Charlie Martin and why should I care?

The latest example in Rhetoric 101 at VD-versity.

Blogger Hunsdon September 22, 2015 2:29 PM  

CM say: Look, I'll give you some help: racial slurs. You could call me a Muslim,

Hunsdon say: I don't see the box you check off under race where it lists Muslim as an option. Although under religion, I do see the box where you can check "African-American."

Blogger Daniel September 22, 2015 2:29 PM  

He doesn't see the clear exit when Vox gave it to him.

"You are right. I am fat and selfconscious about it."

Easy.

Blogger automatthew September 22, 2015 2:29 PM  

So, the cuckservative admits his mom is a Jew? It's almost like he's TRYING to draw attention to the link there or something.

It's a really clumsy feint so he can call in an air strike.

Blogger Steveo #238 September 22, 2015 2:30 PM  

Vox will have to destroy the recliner in order to save it.

Blogger RobertT September 22, 2015 2:31 PM  

... every fat person is offended by fat jokes. If they're pleasingly plump, they'll be giggly nervous. If they're obese, they'll be genuinely offended.

Blogger Steve, the Dark Ninja of Mockery September 22, 2015 2:33 PM  

Who is Charlie Martin

Some butthurt butterhuffer.

Blogger Alexander September 22, 2015 2:33 PM  

Note the 'alternatives'

- things he genuinely has no control over: heritage, penis size, nose size

- things that nobody, but especially him, would give a shit about: clothe, beard, not speaking foreign.

- things that will ideally put him back ingroup with a rally against the racist - Jew, Muslim

But don't press the rhetoric on the thing that he is sensitive about, the he could control, and that elicits disgust in others. Anything but that!

We see this pattern everywhere. Why, oh why, can't Trump be just like McCain!

Blogger automatthew September 22, 2015 2:33 PM  

Effete gluttonous rat takes on Animal Mother. The results may surprise you.

Blogger Elocutioner #0226 September 22, 2015 2:33 PM  

@29 CM
Heh. The only good diversity is VD-versity. And the tuition is free.

Blogger Chris Scena September 22, 2015 2:42 PM  

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Blogger Russell (106) September 22, 2015 2:42 PM  

Who is Charlie Martin and why should I care?

A really big target. For the LOLs.

Blogger Gaiseric ! September 22, 2015 2:43 PM  

It's a really clumsy feint so he can call in an air strike.

Oh, I know... that was its purpose. But it didn't occur to him the collateral damage it is likely to draw among anyone reading that who's already suspicious of Jewish loyalty to America. Did he totally miss the latest Ann Coulter twitterstorm, or something? Or did he think that she was beat down by it?

Clumsy feint may have been his intent, but its really more like he stepped in his own trap and hasn't even realized it yet.

Blogger Rabbi B September 22, 2015 2:48 PM  

"Clumsy feint may have been his intent, but its really more like he stepped in his own trap and hasn't even realized it "
yet."

He thought he was dis-arming Vox of all his weapons before he got a chance to fire them. Problem is, he has no idea about the depth of the arsenal he is dealing with let alone the sophistication and skill of the person wielding the weaponry.

Poor bastard didn't stand a chance.

OpenID vilefacelessminion September 22, 2015 2:49 PM  

@34 No, not me. I know I'm a land whale, and I know it's my fault. I think it's a gamma thing. Insecurity takes many forms.

Blogger Russell (106) September 22, 2015 3:00 PM  

At first this interchange was funny.

Now it's hilarious.

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian September 22, 2015 3:02 PM  

OT: Milo @Nero is having a play at the cuck @charlescwcooke over his National Review pedophile article:

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/424373/salons-much-maligned-pedophilia-piece-charles-c-w-cooke

Nice to see it.

Good Comments:
Bluto • a day ago

This is what's known as "preparing the ground." The Left is quite adept at playing the long game so you don't even see your defeat coming. In the pedophile world, it's known as "grooming."


And speakng of a lesson in rhetoric check out the last in this great comment:


1. Organize
2. Humanize
3. Legalize
4. Legitimize
5. Litigate
6. Repeat

Stage Two doesn't seem too unreasonable, does it? How many bloody times do we have to get rope-a-doped by the same shtick before we recognize that it's part of a much larger campaign which has been going on for generations, now?

Priests, pastors, and psychiatrists receive special training to lovingly and thoughtfully help people with terrible issues like this one who need help. Privately. There's absolutely NO reason for anybody to work through this problem publicly. There's absolutely no reason to challenge the one hysterical taboo the American people have which is fully justified.

And can we impose a permanent moratorium on atheists needling Christians on how their faith is supposed to be expressed? It's not like we go around telling atheists how they're supposed to tip their fedoras and embed cheese crumbs in their neckbeards.

Blogger Gaiseric ! September 22, 2015 3:06 PM  

He thought he was dis-arming Vox of all his weapons before he got a chance to fire them. Problem is, he has no idea about the depth of the arsenal he is dealing with let alone the sophistication and skill of the person wielding the weaponry.

Again; I'm not saying anything about Vox. I'm sure he's clever enough on his own to avoid the clumsy feint, as automatthew called it. I'm saying that just a few days after someone with the clout of Ann Coulter openly questions the loyalty and sense of the philosemitism of the cuckservative GOPe, you'd think Martin would have the sense to not draw the same parallels between his own cuckservatism and Judaism. Or did he think that Coulter's thing went unremarked on in the conservative arena? Or that she was sufficiently shut-down that nobody would notice?

I'm not talking about him underestimating Vox, I'm talking about him being out of touch with the base that pays his bills. The essence of conservatism still remains, in many ways, the concept of color-blindness and judging a person by his character, and all of that altruistic stuff. Trying to pull the Jew card is not only a bad move anyway with this base, but his timing couldn't possibly have been any worse unless he tried to pull it at a neo-Nazi rally.

Blogger Dexter September 22, 2015 3:12 PM  

What's the Gamma equivalent of Lesbian Dorito Night?

(thinks about all the times he played World in Flames / Fire in the East / War in Europe / Wacht am Rhein for 48 hour straight)

Blogger Alexander September 22, 2015 3:12 PM  

I dunno.

They are adept at double-speak and are completely unthinking about it. They can attack on group as being too high up on the privilege ladder, then turn around and cry foul that someone else even higher is hurting that poor group.

Without a trace of shame or irony, they could quite happily denounce Israel all day, declare how they are in solidarity with the Palestinians, talk about how awesome the boycotts are... and then if our boy Charlie FatFat Martin got called a - as Charlie Martin says - "kike", then turn around and shout how racist and evilhorrible you are for saying such.

Then smugly remark how they can "oppose Israeli policies" and still recognize that they are "humans with dignity" or whatever crap they need to say.

So... nope, clumsy feint, but he wasn't in any danger of friendly fire for playing the Jew card in this case.

Blogger Alexander September 22, 2015 3:14 PM  

Remember: these people aren't really pro-anything. They are empty. All they have in anti. Anti-white. Anti-civilization. Anti-Europe. Anti-beauty. Anti-God. Anti-truth.

As long as someone, anyone is using "X" to attack any of the above, they'll stand by it. Even if they'd normally be against it too.

Blogger Daniel September 22, 2015 3:15 PM  

You don't get how this works. Alienating his base in public sparring is the best he can hope for. If they merely tune him out, they are less likely to turn on him.

See also McRapey.

There is no real base to a moderate anyhow. They chase narrative like an SJW chases children.

Blogger ajw308 (#98) September 22, 2015 3:17 PM  

This can, as we know, take a considerable while.
I laughed.

So Sigmas are bullies?
No, but Gamma's are passive aggressive.

Blogger Gaiseric ! September 22, 2015 3:18 PM  

So... nope, clumsy feint, but he wasn't in any danger of friendly fire for playing the Jew card in this case.

No, it's still too early to openly express Eurocentrism in America, of course. He wouldn't have drawn fire.

But what's too early to happen openly still happens quietly. This guy gets his paycheck by writing for PJMedia, doesn't he? Even if it's just a moonlighting gig?

Blogger Were-Puppy September 22, 2015 3:42 PM  

@22 Nate
the proper rhetorical response to a fat joke is to pat your belly and say, "Yep... i'm fat... but you're dumb. And I can diet."
---

I knew this one guy who would do that, he was hilarious. He also would pat the belly and say "Yep. This is the only investment I have left that is still growing."

Blogger David The Good September 22, 2015 3:45 PM  

" He also would pat the belly and say "Yep. This is the only investment I have left that is still growing.""

Remember too: gammas will embrace and brag about their failings as a way to protect themselves.

Blogger Al Cibiades September 22, 2015 3:46 PM  

Hmmmmmm!!!1 :) "We didn't make any fat jokes, Chublie. Your mother did," spoken in this contest, in that moment, is one of the most deliciously cruel twists I have ever seen.

Blogger Patrick Kelly September 22, 2015 3:47 PM  

@23 VD: "I don't behave any differently with ambassadors and CEOs than I do with children. Looking back on one particular lunch, I may actually be more formal with the latter since I'm less likely to be drinking."

Got that right, and there's no scripture warning against offending CEOs.

Blogger Tommy Hass September 22, 2015 3:51 PM  

"We didn't make any fat jokes, Chublie. Your mother did."

I laughed out loud.

Good God, that is some Rashad Evans vs Chuck Liddell level timing.

Blogger Sparx401 September 22, 2015 3:53 PM  

"We didn't make any fat jokes, Chublie. Your mother did,"

This is appropriate

-Grime Knight

Blogger Kyle Smith September 22, 2015 4:04 PM  

Seems a lot of wasted effort to fight people who disagree marginally with you when so many disagree so much more. Coalition building is a real thing because we - you know - live in a democracy. So, I am a little baffled at this display. I know to you it makes sense because of dialectic vs rhetoric, but that is best employed when no common ground is available. When there is a lot of common ground available it seems both wasteful, small, and unchristian. We live in such a target rich environment that attacking Mr. Martin seems like those moderates that are always taking fire at their "own" side.

Blogger Gaiseric ! September 22, 2015 4:05 PM  

@59. Maybe you're a little confused by what it means to "attack."

Blogger Mr.MantraMan September 22, 2015 4:07 PM  

About the Jewish heritage who cares? I don't

Blogger Alexander September 22, 2015 4:13 PM  

@59

One notes that the expectation of who is supposed to yield common ground in the name of the common good never changes...

And also, attack != counterattack. Vox leaves those alone who leave him alone, is courteous to those who are courteous, and kicks until it no longer amuses him those who think they have a really good plan for throwing the first punch.

Blogger Steve, the Dark Ninja of Mockery September 22, 2015 4:19 PM  

Were-Puppy - He also would pat the belly and say "Yep. This is the only investment I have left that is still growing."

Another classic fat guy retort is: "Of course I'm fat. Every time I fuck your mother, she gives me a biscuit".

Blogger Were-Puppy September 22, 2015 4:22 PM  

He's making the rubble bounce on this one.

It's probably also giving a nice demonstration to other Cucks that they better bring their A game if they are gonna poke VD.

Blogger Alexander September 22, 2015 4:27 PM  

It's probably also giving a nice demonstration to other Cucks that they better bring their A game

Oh don't worry, they're all watching their buddy get screwed really, really hard.

Blogger Tommy Hass September 22, 2015 4:30 PM  

Srsly though, how can you be so blatantly butthurt about something? My God, this guy wouldn't even last one nanosecond in prison.

Blogger Steve, the Dark Ninja of Mockery September 22, 2015 4:32 PM  

Tommy, have you ever been in a Turkish prison?

Blogger Unknown September 22, 2015 4:32 PM  

@63 ...she gives me a bisquit.

Beverage. Through. The. Nose. Maybe I don't get out enough, but that was funny.

Blogger Daniel September 22, 2015 4:33 PM  

This guy wouldn't last one second in kindergarten.

Charlie, you aren't literally supposed to soak your head in gravy.

Blogger VD September 22, 2015 4:34 PM  

Seems a lot of wasted effort to fight people who disagree marginally with you when so many disagree so much more. Coalition building is a real thing because we - you know - live in a democracy. So, I am a little baffled at this display. I know to you it makes sense because of dialectic vs rhetoric, but that is best employed when no common ground is available. When there is a lot of common ground available it seems both wasteful, small, and unchristian. We live in such a target rich environment that attacking Mr. Martin seems like those moderates that are always taking fire at their "own" side.

You're projecting, Moderate Guy. Look at you. You're actually criticizing me for having the unmitigated gall to shoot back effectively at someone who has been attacking me, unprovoked, for four straight days.

Answer this question: why are you criticizing me and not Mr. Martin?

Blogger Tommy Hass September 22, 2015 4:35 PM  

"Tommy, have you ever been in a Turkish prison?"

Fortunately not.

This guy would struggle in Norwegian prisons. Turkish prisons? The German Shepherds would probably fail to locate his genitals when trying to bite them, so he might actually be better off there.

Blogger Geir Balderson September 22, 2015 4:35 PM  

"Vox Day
We didn't make any fat jokes, Chublie. Your mother did."

That statement did get a good chuckle. Thank you very much!

Blogger Stingray September 22, 2015 4:43 PM  

Fortunately not.

WHOOSH!

Blogger Alexander September 22, 2015 4:43 PM  

But would he struggle in a Turkish bath?

Blogger Alexander September 22, 2015 4:44 PM  

You're projecting, Moderate Guy. Look at you. You're actually criticizing me for having the unmitigated gall to shoot back effectively at someone who has been attacking me, unprovoked, for four straight days.

I said five paces, you cur! Turn around or I'll shoot you myself!

Blogger bw September 22, 2015 4:45 PM  

Kike

Blogger Tommy Hass September 22, 2015 4:46 PM  

Sorry, I'm too innocent to get your Steve jokes. :)

Blogger Steve, the Dark Ninja of Mockery September 22, 2015 4:50 PM  

Unknown - it's a good un. The cricket player Eddo Brandes came out with that reply when another player asked "Hey, Eddo. Why are you so fucking fat?"

Tommy - I am disappointed that you haven't seen Airplane! What are they teaching in schools these days?

I don't think Charlie would fit in a normal sized prison cell anyway. Maybe the zoo.

Blogger Karl September 22, 2015 4:57 PM  

the good thing about the Simpsons is that there's pretty much a clip to illustrate any point.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTb6fx_3Y6g

Blogger ScuzzaMan September 22, 2015 5:48 PM  

"This can, as we know, take a considerable while."

That made me laugh. Once my wife and I were talking about the notion of appropriate disclosure, as it had come up in a training session at work that was intended to promote teamwork etc.

So wife asks me what is my definition of appropriate disclosure.

"When I want you to know, I'll tell you."

Blogger Koanic September 22, 2015 5:49 PM  

Now, squeal.

Too far? I can never tell.

Blogger Giuseppe September 22, 2015 6:45 PM  

Vox,
heh, I am not a HUGE fan of the whole lexicon of Game, but yeah, you pretty much nailed it about bitchslapping Gammas. It really can take a while.

Blogger Koanic September 22, 2015 6:52 PM  

The alpha/sigma feature of Vox's male social hierarchy never made perfect sense to me until now.

The binary actually hides a sociological trinary:
hierarchical
honor-hierarchical
flat

In hierarchy, lower rankers cringe.
In honor hierarchy, lower rankers bow.
In flat, hierarchy is arrogance.

Socket depth + brow projection + large nose + low digit ratio trends towards honor hierarchy. Vox fits here.

Someone significantly Neanderthal such as Prince or Marilyn Manson or Jerry Seinfeld or Venkatesh Rao will tend flat at whatever rank they inhabit.

Much of what Vox labels as gamma is actually flat objections to honor hierarchy. Flat guys typically need the "honor" part explained to clarify that it isn't simple "hierarchy". They don't intuitively grasp the distinction.

Really the whole ranking system needs to be refactored. It has two axes: hierarchy style and rank. Vox's unprincipled exception of "sigma" to include himself within his model is a symptom of this. We can now eliminate "sigma" and replace it with alpha-hh for Vox's type.

Rank:
alpha
beta
delta
gamma
omega

Sociology:
hierarchical
honor hierarchy
flat

From the mountains of madness,
Koanic the Sane

PS Perhaps we should include a fourth sociology, "herd", to capture effeminates and women.

Blogger Giuseppe The Kurgan September 22, 2015 6:53 PM  

I don't behave any differently with ambassadors and CEOs than I do with children. Looking back on one particular lunch, I may actually be more formal with the latter since I'm less likely to be drinking.

It does depend quite a bit on the parents of course, but I also found that in general, kids can actually be comparatively smarter (less bullshit, more honesty and smart questions if they are curious) and usually more entertaining than CEOs and Presidents.

Blogger Koanic September 22, 2015 6:54 PM  

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Blogger Koanic September 22, 2015 6:56 PM  

Oops forgot:
parietal = trends hierarchy or honor-hierarchy
occipital & temporal = trends hierarchy autistic and anti-hierarchy.

Blogger Student in Blue September 22, 2015 7:02 PM  

@Koanic
Much of what Vox labels as gamma is actually flat objections to honor hierarchy.
Yeaa--- No.

Also, you are way off topic.

Blogger automatthew September 22, 2015 7:02 PM  

Koanic, have you read Ted Holden's latest stuff about human origins? It involves some of the aquatic ape theory, mixed with Electric Universe catastrophism, mixed with your particular style of Grade A for Awesome Nuttery.

You'll have to ignore his ideas about Neanderthals though.

Blogger automatthew September 22, 2015 7:04 PM  

There's probably a way to harmonize Tex and Ted. Something to do with the saltations of various hominids.

Blogger Koanic September 22, 2015 7:09 PM  

Well aquatic ape is simply genealogy, since we are a sus scrofa bonobo cross thanks to boarish indiscriminacy and bonobo sluttish cowering.

I can't really find anything useful in a quick Googling. Gravitic attenuation and expanding Earth, ok maybe but I don't really care. His anti-evolution critiques are just pre- redpill genetics and pre hybrid macroevolutionary theory. Plus crazy.

Blogger automatthew September 22, 2015 7:37 PM  

Well aquatic ape is simply genealogy, since we are a sus scrofa bonobo cross thanks to boarish indiscriminacy and bonobo sluttish cowering.

That wasn't the original aquatic ape theory, per whats-her-face.

Blogger bob k. mando September 22, 2015 7:39 PM  

Vox Day
We didn't make any fat jokes, Chublie. Your mother did.


and you fit a 'your mom' joke in there too.

epic. simply epic.



59. Kyle Smith September 22, 2015 4:04 PM
Seems a lot of wasted effort to fight people who disagree marginally with you when so many disagree so much more.



maybe you should have informed Chublie of EXACTLY THESE SENTIMENTS?

because, you know, none of this would be happening if the fat fuck momma's jewboy hadn't tried to stick his finger in Vox's eye.

you tell him and National Review and the RNC to stop shitting all over Christians and Conservatives and we MIGHT start worrying about whether or not these sleazy little pieces of shit have feelings.


until such time as you decide to start tone policing the 'moderates' who keep fucking these elections up,

YOU CAN KISS MY ASS, BITCH.

Blogger Koanic September 22, 2015 7:41 PM  

Yeah, I know. But pigs are obviously aquatic. And she was making her case off pig similarities.

Re Sigma: Check it out; it reduces even further. Sociology is just a matrix of two axes: honor and hierarchy. Thus:

Honor hierarchy: y y
Hierarchy: n y
Flat: y n
Herd: n n

Blogger Were-Puppy September 22, 2015 8:03 PM  

@93

How much is Chunky Charley Tuna paying you to derail this topic with Aquatic Pigs?

Blogger Koanic September 22, 2015 8:11 PM  

@95 See @81

Subcutaneous fat deposits come from pigs, not apes.

Some people need it spelled out.

Blogger Were-Puppy September 22, 2015 8:18 PM  

@95
See original post. It's about rhetoric.

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian September 22, 2015 8:34 PM  

you tell him and National Review and the RNC to stop shitting all over Christians and Conservatives and we MIGHT start worrying about whether or not these sleazy little pieces of shit have feelings.


until such time as you decide to start tone policing the 'moderates' who keep fucking these elections up,

YOU CAN KISS MY ASS, BITCH.


I find myself in full agreement with this. It needed repeating with emphasis.

Blogger Koanic September 22, 2015 8:55 PM  

Model is relevant to rhetoric, re both speaker and audience. In this case, Vox is doing alpha-hh rhetoric to general spectrum audience. Whereas politicans do alpha-dh rhetoric, Seinfeld and Russell Brand do alpha-he rhetoric, meangirls do alpha-de rhetoric, etc.

Sociological Axes:
Honor/dishonor
Hierarchy/equality

Blood of lawyers FTW.

Blogger Dystopic September 22, 2015 10:29 PM  

Koanic, you're weird as Hell, but that two axes model of yours makes a bizarre kind of sense. What would a Gamma-hh look like, I wonder?

Blogger Koanic September 22, 2015 10:32 PM  

I was one for a while. Confused, serious, tentative, and lost among the neurotypicals. Prone to bouts of maladaptive honor-based aggression and then confused retreat.

Blogger automatthew September 22, 2015 11:30 PM  

I've read the pig-fucked-a-monkey jewish-erotica-as-science, Koanic. Unconvinced. Because utterly unconvincing. Lloyd Pie wept.

There might be something to tease out in Ted Holden's idea that humans evolved somewhere else than Earth, somewhere where the seas were welcoming, and not dangerous.

Except evolution is retarded bullshit.

Blogger Aeoli Pera September 22, 2015 11:59 PM  

FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT :-D

Blogger automatthew September 23, 2015 1:20 AM  

I <3 Aeoli Pera.

Blogger Patrikbc September 23, 2015 1:27 AM  

Now I gotta take to Twitter to watch the fun

Blogger Koanic September 23, 2015 7:59 AM  

I doubt you've actually read the whole website or you'd find the shared pig trait list that is also non-shared with apes highly convincing. If you have then your truth evaluation engine is broken.

Same issue for anti-evolution - just because you haven't encountered a good version doesn't mean there isn't one. Hybrid macroevolution is fully compatible with Lloyd Pie interstellar gardening, as established on my blog.

Blogger Gaiseric ! September 23, 2015 8:16 AM  

I doubt you've actually read the whole website or you'd find the shared pig trait list that is also non-shared with apes highly convincing. If you have then your truth evaluation engine is broken.

Stabilization Theory is a great idea, with some great information. When I read it, I was initially kind of excited by the prospects that it offers, and lacking a strong biological background, I don't know if it was BS or good work, but it sounded more like the latter than the former. Again, based on my relatively uncritical and inexpert eye.

But when he tried to offer specific examples, that's when he lost me and lost me hard and fast. Because there, it became clear that the author (who's name escapes me) has really no understanding of biology at all beyond his specialty in hybridization.

Also; even setting that aside for the time being, the whole people are chimp/pig hybrids notion is, at best, a completely untested hypothesis. Your truth evaluation engine needs considerable work if something so completely unproven is accepted at face value. If you think the idea has merit, then get to work actually proving it.

So, I continue to look for the model that will eventually replace the obviously flawed model of evolution. As far as I'm concerned, it probably hasn't been articulated yet.

Blogger Koanic September 23, 2015 8:39 AM  

If you have some specific substantive criticism I can check out, offer it. Otherwise dismissable as bluster.

Hybridization has plenty of examples. As for proving it, see his novel, The Department. I'll pass, Petunia.

Redpill (non-communist) genetics for rapid microevolution plus stabilization theory explains everything except melon skulls. Lloyd Pie space-gardening theory is just the icing.

Basically the standard of proof you're demanding would falsify the resurrection of Jesus Christ. I should go out and crucify a bunch of Jews until one resurrects.

Blogger Student in Blue September 23, 2015 10:29 AM  

I should go out and crucify a bunch of Jews until one resurrects.

Well, Nazis did "f***ing love science" after all...

Blogger Aeoli Pera September 23, 2015 3:37 PM  

automatthew,

XOXOXO. Warmest regards,

AP

Blogger SciVo September 24, 2015 2:04 AM  

Koanic, covergent evolution due to parallel selective pressures is a simple concept. Genetic evidence indicates that it happens all the time, such as three sub-Saharan African tribes with the unrelated ability to digest cow's milk via independently developed enzymes.

But you go ahead believing that pig and long pig must be related, just because they both have pig in the name.

Blogger Tom K. September 24, 2015 5:32 PM  

I was smarter than you when I was nine.

Too bad I couldn't talk to you then, cause you're an moron now.

I'd find out who dropped you on your head when you were ten and sue because you are one damaged puppy.

Abortion:

You know, we wouldn't have an abortion problem if you women didn't insist on killing your babies.

We wouldn't have an abortion problem if feminist didn't insist on killing all the babies.

We wouldn't have a problem with abortion if Planned Parenthood didn't need aborted baby parts to sell.

One in four women is raped.

Well, if you don't like being rape I could ravish you. Never mind. I just ate. (Hat tip to Mel Brooks)

I think you're lying (woman)

Don't think. It makes you look masculine.

Don't think. You're not cute when you think.

I think you're lying (man)

Oh, is that what that smell is.

When my dog does that, we (not I) just smack him on the nose with a newspaper.

Same Sex Marriage:

Gays can never get married. They can only play house.

Whatever they say:

Jesus likes me more than you.

God has favorites. I'm one of them.

One in five women are raped.

Racist!

How is that rapist?

Most rapes are committed by black men. You must hate black men!

Blogger Tom K. September 24, 2015 5:35 PM  

I was smarter than you when I was nine.

Too bad I couldn't talk to you then, cause you're an moron now.

I'd find out who dropped you on your head when you were ten and sue because you are one damaged puppy.

Abortion:

You know, we wouldn't have an abortion problem if you women didn't insist on killing your babies.

We wouldn't have an abortion problem if feminist didn't insist on killing all the babies.

We wouldn't have a problem with abortion if Planned Parenthood didn't need aborted baby parts to sell.

One in four women is raped.

Well, if you don't like being rape I could ravish you. Never mind. I just ate. (Hat tip to Mel Brooks)

I think you're lying (woman)

Don't think. It makes you look masculine.

Don't think. You're not cute when you think.

I think you're lying (man)

Oh, is that what that smell is.

When my dog does that, we (not I) just smack him on the nose with a newspaper.

Same Sex Marriage:

Gays can never get married. They can only play house.

Whatever they say:

Jesus likes me more than you.

God has favorites. I'm one of them.

One in five women are raped.

Racist!

How is that rapist?

Most rapes are committed by black men. You must hate black men!

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