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Saturday, September 12, 2015

On board the Trump train

Donald Trump addresses the only issue that matters:
Donald Trump estimated that it will take 18 months to two years to get the roughly 11 million immigrants living in the U.S. illegally to leave the country, and that he would then build a wall running along the border with Mexico.

The businessman’s statement made on a call with Alabama Republicans Thursday night added a bit of specificity to the Republican presidential frontrunner’s hardline stance on immigration. Mr. Trump released a six-page policy paper on immigration last month, and reporters have asked for details about how it would work since....

On the call, Mr. Trump was asked for details about how long it would take to round up illegal immigrants living in the U.S., with the questioner asking if five or ten years was an appropriate timeframe. Mr. Trump said his two year benchmark could be met with “really good management.”

“We have to get them out. If we have wonderful cases, they can come back in but they have to come back in legally,” Mr. Trump said in an audio clip posted on YouTube Thursday night by a person on the call.

Mr. Trump’s plan has been denounced by Democrats and many rival Republicans, who have called it impractical and immoral, among other criticisms. Mr. Trump said he would remove illegal immigrants from the country “so fast that your head will spin,” and long before he could embark on his plan to build a wall spanning the 1,900 mile border between the U.S. and Mexico.
That's good enough for me. I'd like to see him pledge to begin deporting legal immigrants, but that would probably be too much for the average voter and deporting 11 million invaders is considerably better than any other candidate, Republican or Democrat, is going to do. And furthermore, it's worth noting that Trump said he intends to deport ALL the illegal invaders, the 11 million is merely an estimate.

It doesn't matter what else Trump thinks or how crazy his policies might be. Immigration is now the only issue that matters to America. There is simply no justification for supporting any other Republican candidate. Is it possible that he's lying? Sure. But we KNOW all the other Republican candidates are, especially Carson, who is anti-gun.

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Blogger Remo - Vile Faceless Minion #99 September 12, 2015 5:06 AM  

Of course when the Southern wall goes up i have a feeling the machine guns will be pointing North not South

Blogger Jamie-R September 12, 2015 5:08 AM  

Channeling that column you once wrote that created a shitstorm. Now there's finally a leader willing to stand up.

Anonymous Whitey McWhite September 12, 2015 5:10 AM  

Presidents don't do a multitude of big things; they do about one to three, tops. And these things are often bad, like Obamacare and the destruction of Libya.

If Trump gets 11 million illegals out and builds the Great Wall of Trump, from sea to shining sea, that's two big things, both desperately necessary.

That would define his presidency as one of the best ever. Even if it proved to be too little and too late, he and his supporters would still have done well.

Blogger finndistan September 12, 2015 5:39 AM  

On the west we might have Trump, on the east, we hopefully keep Putin, we now need a few for Europe.

Anonymous Andrew Spooner Jr. September 12, 2015 6:05 AM  

Vox, the pair of blinders you still have on for Dr Carson continues to astound me; from his character and leadership to his intelligence, and wisdom. He's a man after God's own heart Vox. It's as simple as that. I hate to break this to you, but Trump is deliberately throwing his weight behind Carson so Carson will catch up with him and pass him in the polls. He's running a long-con. This one's already in the bag. God is in control of this election. He's got his guy and he's going to put him in there, and there's really nothing you or anybody else can do about it. Get used to President Carson.

Blogger Eric September 12, 2015 6:07 AM  

Donald Trump estimated that it will take 18 months to two years to get the roughly 11 million immigrants living in the U.S. illegally to leave the country, and that he would then build a wall running along the border with Mexico.

He's gonna kick them out and then build a wall? Why wait? Is it going to be such a yuge, fabulous wall they won't be able to leave if he builds it first?

Anonymous fish September 12, 2015 6:16 AM  

Way, way, way OT....but funny nevertheless at 3:10 am West coast time!

“You’re not the Rebel Alliance. You’re not the good guys. You’re the fucking Empire, man. You’re the shitty, oppressive, totalitarian Empire.

Careful...... SJW tantrum....stand back!!

http://www.theguardian.com/books/2015/sep/11/star-wars-aftermath-novelist-chuck-wendig-strikes-back-at-gay-character-slurs

Blogger McChuck September 12, 2015 6:16 AM  

(Pet Peeve perks up and takes notice.) 11 million illegals? I've been hearing that '11 million' number for over 15 years. In the late 90's they were saying '11 million illegals.' Well, in the mid-90's I lived on the Arizona border with Mexico. The local border patrol caught 1,000 illegals per day, every day. That's how many they could handle and process. The rest were let through, simply because they border patrol could only handle so many at a time. They knew they were catching less than half. So, best case (for us, that is), assume that 'only' a third of a million new illegals came into the country every year. No, don't talk to me about the ones that go back home. That's a spit in the tide. So, a third of a million every year, times 18 years, is at least 6 million new illegals since then. And that's a really low assumption. So let's call the number at least 18 million illegals now.

Now, assume that around a third of them are women, and that they've only had two kids each. Again, these are relatively low estimates. That's another 12 million living in our country now. That's 30 million people living on our territory who feel little or no allegiance to our nation. There are so many of them, they have formed their own communities everywhere, and feel little need to assimilate. They don't speak our language, they don't share our culture. They believe that crime and bribery are simply facts of life. 'Corruption' is when you aren't getting some. Might makes right.

And we're supposed to smile and keep letting more in? And we're not supposed to say anything about it? We're not supposed to do anything about it?

And they wonder why Trump has attracted so many people with his simple message. They have complicated, nuanced messages about numerous topics - few of which matter, and they're most likely lying anyways. They keep telling us that that four fingers are five. That they're trying to help us, not replace us with people who are used to being controlled. But like Vox said, this is the only issue that matters.

Demography is destiny. Have more children. Teach them to love the truth, hate lies, and fear The Lord.

Blogger Thordaddy September 12, 2015 6:24 AM  

I'd bet Dr. Carson's candidacy will prove just how "racist" MRKA still is...

White nations with black presidents is the stuff of the Twilight Zone.

Trump shouid build a trench...

And the meme that Trump could be one of MRKA's greatest Presidents by simply following through on this one issue must be absolutely be buzzing throughout Trump's ego.

Blogger Thordaddy September 12, 2015 6:28 AM  

Euthanizing liberal baby boomers on a mass scale would most likely have a repatriating effect on many illegals and legals alike.

Blogger James Dixon September 12, 2015 6:30 AM  

> Donald Trump estimated that it will take 18 months to two years to get the roughly 11 million immigrants living in the U.S. illegally to leave the country

As has already been demonstrated, if Trump gets elected and starts following through on his plans a large number of them will leave before he even has to do anything.

> 11 million illegals? I've been hearing that '11 million' number for over 15 years.

Yeah. It's at least 20 million by now, maybe closer to 30.

Anonymous Lulabelle (68) September 12, 2015 6:34 AM  

McChuck said what I was wondering also......why is the number now 11 million? A few years ago, the media was using 20 million.....and seemed way too low a figure.

Andrew, Andrew, Andrew......is this your first opportunity to vote in a presidential election? Or have you fallen, hit your head and have amnesia? How many "Christian" presidents have we had? And how effective were they at creating/implementing laws and policies that were pleasing to God? Isn't abortion still legal?

Anonymous Lulabelle (68) September 12, 2015 6:43 AM  

WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot?

Blogger napari September 12, 2015 6:46 AM  

There are two elections. Once for the nomination, one for president. What Trump says to get the nomination is going to be very different than what he says for getting elected president.
Read this: https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/immigration-reform
You see any mention of deporting 11 million people?

Blogger napari September 12, 2015 6:48 AM  

BTW- I am supporting Donald Trump. No other candidate is doing anything at all.

Blogger VFM bot #188 September 12, 2015 6:48 AM  

There are between 30 million and 40 million illegal immigrants in the U.S. now:

http://freedomoutpost.com/2015/05/coulter-us-has-taken-in-%C2%BC-of-the-population-of-mexico/

Blogger Mr.MantraMan September 12, 2015 6:49 AM  

Its simple, don't tailgate the SJW in the debate, make the SJW tailgate you in the debate. But conservatives all thru the ages will try to prove how smart they are always get taken off what little game they offer and instead sit there and sputter their great knowledge from great books that the SJW could care less about.

Then comes Trump who has one great advantage over Conservative Inc. he is not an intellectual nor does he care what those crab bucket clowns think of him, and Trump wins and bow tied clown emeritus George Will hate him for showing that the religion of PC is weak.

Blogger Eric I. Gatera. September 12, 2015 6:55 AM  

Is there any evidence that Carson is lying about his stance on Guns? As far as i heard him on this issue, he advocates for U.S citizens to bear weapons as part of their constitutional right.

Anonymous Mike M. September 12, 2015 6:58 AM  

I remain convinced that Walker or Cruz will be the eventual nominee. Trump has displayed Obama-level pettiness.

On the other hand, either will be forced to a "kick them all out" policy. Note that Trump's statement implies expulsion first, hearing for readmission later.

Blogger VD September 12, 2015 7:03 AM  

I remain convinced that Walker or Cruz will be the eventual nominee. Trump has displayed Obama-level pettiness.

I find your logic fascinating. I mean, you do know that Obama twice won the presidential election, right?

Blogger VD September 12, 2015 7:05 AM  

Is there any evidence that Carson is lying about his stance on Guns?

Yes. Carson's previous stance on guns. Carson is a joke and would have zero support if he wasn't black. He's just this cycle's Republican white guilt Alan Keyes/Hermann Cain "I'm not a racist because I would totally vote for a black man" candidate.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan September 12, 2015 7:05 AM  

Carson is a joke candidate that relies on the rhetorical word of "racist", remove that from the public lexicon and he is back to the hospital dissecting fetuses. His supporters are feminized men and overly socially signaling women and the men who patronize them so they can get some Friday night friskies on occasion.

Blogger Eric I. Gatera. September 12, 2015 7:12 AM  

I understand the rational that Carson may fail as a likely presidential candidates. However on this issue you raised about him lying on the gun stance is a bit intriguing since he did acknowledge that he used to be a democrat and hence must have held some views along this line long ago. But a charitable interpretation shouldnt suggest that he must have change some of his prior democrats views as he has himself acknoweldge, therefore the gun issue as well as his recents interviews suggest? Should we necessary assume that an ideological conversion is impossible for an ex democrat per your view?

Anonymous Lucius September 12, 2015 7:13 AM  

Having worked in immigration back when INS got turned over to DHS, I can only say good luck to Trump. INS was the dumping ground for incompetents; it was a running joke in DC. Meanwhile, walking into the offices in Arlington was seriously like walking into a third world country. Most of the govt employees were non-natives.

Does Trump think he's going to fire incompetent bureaucrats Apprentice style? His plan is DOA.

Blogger FALPhil September 12, 2015 7:18 AM  

@5 Andrew Spooner Jr. wrote:
Vox, the pair of blinders you still have on for Dr Carson continues to astound me; from his character and leadership to his intelligence, and wisdom.


Doesn't matter, Andrew. The 2nd Amendment and its enforcement is a litmus test. If Carson publicly demonstrated the ability to walk on the surface of large bodies of water, he couldn't get elected with an anti-gun stance. Myself and about 5 million other conservative voters would reject him out of hand. Another 5 million would put him at the bottom of their list in the primaries. We just don't vote for people who hold anti-human rights views like that.

Blogger Salt September 12, 2015 7:19 AM  

It's way more than the south of the border illegals. It's the PC culture that's infected the system. Start actively deporting and SCOTUS would find a way to halt it. Trump is talking a good game for the moment, but that's what he does. By the time Trump is in office I could see Mexico building its own fence - keep them, being what I've heard is 1/4 of their unwanted population.

Anonymous Mike M. September 12, 2015 7:21 AM  

@20 Vox:
I don't think petty will play well this cycle. Even the dullest voter can see there are great issues at stake. History has resumed its march.

Concur on Carson.

Blogger FALPhil September 12, 2015 7:26 AM  

Start actively deporting and SCOTUS would find a way to halt it.

Maybe not. If Trump can get a simple majority in Congress to agree, he can strip their jurisdiction and SCOTUS would have to sit on their hands (Exceptions Clause (Art. III, § 2).

Anonymous Laz September 12, 2015 7:27 AM  

@ Lucius: You have a point. Even when their incompetence, among other things, is proven by video they are rarely fired.

Blogger Rek. September 12, 2015 7:29 AM  

"X: I remain convinced that Walker or Cruz will be the eventual nominee. Trump has displayed Obama-level pettiness.

VD: I find your logic fascinating. I mean, you do know that Obama twice won the presidential election, right?"

Heh

Anonymous Gary September 12, 2015 7:32 AM  

"I find your logic fascinating. I mean, you do know that Obama twice won the presidential election, right?"

I pointed that out on another site- I have yet to see Trump ever give someone the bird or put his shoes on a desk but your going to say he isn't civil enough for you? GOP deserves to lose along with the brain dead who keep it afloat.

"Start actively deporting and SCOTUS would find a way to halt it."

The black robes in Australia tried that, the PM stated "STFU" and had the armed forces stuff the invaders on a plane and got rid of them.

Blogger VD September 12, 2015 7:33 AM  

But a charitable interpretation shouldnt suggest that he must have change some of his prior democrats views as he has himself acknoweldge, therefore the gun issue as well as his recents interviews suggest?

You don't provide "charitable interpretation" to a would-be leader. He is totally disqualified. Only complete idiots and narcissistic PC-crats support the man.

Blogger VD September 12, 2015 7:35 AM  

Should we necessary assume that an ideological conversion is impossible for an ex democrat per your view?

It's not impossible. It just means you can never be a Republican leader. Ronald Reagan was the exception, as he spent decades proving his political bona fides.

Anonymous Gary September 12, 2015 7:36 AM  

"Does Trump think he's going to fire incompetent bureaucrats Apprentice style? His plan is DOA."

Why not? Clinton did. One of the things I hold against "W" is he did not clean out all the Clinton supporters who were entrenched in various places and they did nothing but undermine is administration.

Anonymous Gary September 12, 2015 7:40 AM  

"Only complete idiots and narcissistic PC-crats support the man."

I like the man, he clearly isn't a bad man and talented as well.

Not the man we need in office though right now. The more I think about Trump the more I conclude we need a "bull in the china shop" president to do some house cleaning. I had hopes as an executive Mitt would be that man but he turned out to be weak sauce with no fire in the belly.

Blogger Salt September 12, 2015 7:41 AM  

strip their jurisdiction

SCOTUS jurisdiction has been shown to extend to anything and everything. Judicial review. Such Congressional action would be declared void. It doesn't take Congress to do anything anymore. Not even make a law concerning marriage SCOTUS could point to and use via the 14th.

Blogger VD September 12, 2015 7:43 AM  

I like the man, he clearly isn't a bad man and talented as well.

There are a lot of talented men who aren't bad men who are totally unsuited for positions of national leadership. Dr. Carson is one of them.

Anonymous Gary September 12, 2015 7:51 AM  

"There are a lot of talented men who aren't bad men who are totally unsuited for positions of national leadership. Dr. Carson is one of them."

Which is why I concluded "Not the man we need in office though right now."

Its my understated way of saying he is unsuitable for the job.

Blogger Salt September 12, 2015 7:53 AM  

What kind of a Congress will Trump have to work with? Half of them are coming up for election too.

Anonymous jdavidm September 12, 2015 7:57 AM  

I have nothing against Trump as a candidate; he is certainly as well qualified, more so in fact, than the present occupant of the White House. My problem is that I don't really trust his announced positions in the arena of immigration. And he seems to have reversed himself dramatically in other areas.

To be honest, his candidacy sounds a lot like that run by Jesse Ventura for governor of MN. Ventura, from his radio show, had presented himself as a pseudo-libertarian. When he decided to run, it was for a third party as a protest candidate against the professional politicians. He was going to reduce the size of government and get rid of unnecessary rules and regulations - and taxes.

I don't think Ventura expected to win (based on his behavior on election night) and when he did, I think he was intimidated. Like, what the heck did I do? To his credit, it was apparent that he decided to be a "good governor" - on the other hand, this, in his mind, meant becoming just-another-Democrat - not very radical, but still a leftist. And the small-government, libertarian positions announced during the campaign all just disappeared.

Blogger Stilicho #0066 September 12, 2015 8:03 AM  

Didn't carson's conversion on guns happen a couple of months ago? Or was that just his announcement of his conversion? Not exactly convincing. Plus, when you hear him talk it is readily apparent that he's not ready to lead anything larger than a medical team.

Anonymous Gary September 12, 2015 8:11 AM  

Trump interview from 25 years ago, interesting what he states about defense.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=share&v=MOKi5YeNtRI&app=desktop

And he is correct- To some degree other nations have lived a luxurious socialist lifestyle since the United States was doing the heavy lifting for defense around the world.

Anonymous Godfrey September 12, 2015 8:16 AM  

Immoral? Since when did the D's or R's believe in morality?

Why isn't consistently bombing, murdering and invading immoral?

Why isn't selling baby parts immoral?

Why isn't GRINDING millions into poverty with a rigged fiat monetary system immoral?

WHO THE F%#@ ARE THESE PEOPLE TO TALK ABOUT MORALITY!

The ONLY reason the borders are wide open is because the ruling crony financial elites want them open. Morality has nothing to do with it.

Blogger Jack Ward September 12, 2015 8:19 AM  

I think the figure of 30 to 40 mil mentioned above is much closer the actual numbers.
Repeal the anchor baby law. Go back at least 25 years and look at all births of illegals. If they were of illegals then they go too. Exceptional cases of great citizenship and good works and decent earnings history could be considered to keep them here. All gang members, Hispanic or otherwise get deported. Any violent crimes by an illegal is capitol, judged by a tribunal with sentences carried out in a few months or less.

Anonymous Godfrey September 12, 2015 8:19 AM  

@40

Ventura was seduced by power once he got elected. Jesse is all about Jesse.

Blogger Cail Corishev September 12, 2015 8:21 AM  

Does Trump think he's going to fire incompetent bureaucrats Apprentice style?

Well.....yeah. Why wouldn't he? The president does have that power, after all. It's even one of his real, constitutional powers; not one of those that's been invented by executive order. If he tells INS/DHS to do something and they drag their heels, why couldn't he fire everyone in the top few layers and bring in someone he trusts to run the place? What is it you think they could do to stop him?

If I were president, I'd fire 90% of federal employees on day #1, and you can be sure there would be plenty of INS employees among them. That would be one of my main campaign planks: a major scaling back of bureaucracy and complete elimination of many departments. Of course, I'd probably be shot before the inauguration, but that's a separate point.

Anonymous jdavidm September 12, 2015 8:27 AM  

@45

I think that's a fair description of Ventura, but I don't see how it doesn't apply, at least in part, to Trump either.

Anonymous Lucius September 12, 2015 8:32 AM  

@ Gary, shedule C non-career appointees are political appointees and easily replaced. But career bureaucrats are hard to fire.

@ Cail, you can't just fire federal employees like you would McDonald workers.

Anonymous clk September 12, 2015 8:44 AM  

So what sort of gentlemenly like bets are you willing to do that a wall never gets built ....?

Blogger Julie Dyal September 12, 2015 8:44 AM  

11 mil is a bad estimate; it's probably more like 30+ mil. But yeah.

Anonymous Godfrey September 12, 2015 8:45 AM  

The crony wealth establishment will either heel Trump or kill him.

They want to destroy the competitive threat of the middleclass. YOU will not be allowed to compete with them. YOU will be dumbed down, regulated, taxed, and prevented from accumulating capital.

Anonymous Godfrey September 12, 2015 8:47 AM  

@49

It won't be built. Only the Jews get their own country and only they get to build a wall.

Anonymous ZhukovG September 12, 2015 8:55 AM  

@Lucius

I remember vaguely something about a fellow named Reagan and some Air Traffic Controllers.

But of course that can't be right, you've assured me that any attempt by a sitting President to fire government employees not doing their job is DOA.

Blogger James Dixon September 12, 2015 8:59 AM  

> Is there any evidence that Carson is lying about his stance on Guns?

From http://www.ontheissues.org/2016/Ben_Carson_Gun_Control.htm:

Appearing on Glenn Beck's radio show this past week, Carson took a vastly different stance from most conservatives on the issue of gun control, claiming you shouldn't be able to own semi-automatic weapons in large cities.

This was from March 1, 2013. His exact quote was "It depends on where you live. I think if you live in the midst of a lot of people, and I’m afraid that that semi-automatic weapon is going to fall into the hands of a crazy person, I would rather you not have it."

So he things the constitutional right to keep and bear arms is dependent on population density. Exactly what level of population density isn't clear.

Carson might make a good vice-president. He's a non-starter as president.

> Does Trump think he's going to fire incompetent bureaucrats Apprentice style?

Career bureaucrats? No. Appointed bureaucrats, yes. The leadership of all the agencies are appointed. And the leadership can fire the lower levels if they don't follow orders.

Blogger Salt September 12, 2015 9:14 AM  

Carson might make a good vice-president

And only a heartbeat away.

Blogger Cail Corishev September 12, 2015 9:16 AM  

Lucius, can the president fire federal employees or not?

Granted, there may be legal issues in some cases that keeps him from firing someone on day #1, so he'd have to deal with that first. Fine, he can still sideline him in the meantime. If some DHS drone won't enforce border security, "promote" him to Director of the White House Paper Football League, at the same salary and rank, and appoint someone else in his place.

This stuff isn't that hard. Career politicians tell us it's hard because they don't want to rock the boat they're riding in.

Blogger Daniel September 12, 2015 9:18 AM  

Trump is left wing, but as far right as any candidate has been. I fully expect him to falter the second he is in office, if the judiciary doesn't prevent his election in the first place, since they make law now.

But man is he a riot. If he actually is not undermined en route to the Oval and can make the trains, lists and walls happen, it will be a good thing. Yes it still marks the official end of the empire, when it no longer held invaders at bay through advancing armies (see also Hadrian) but Empires must fall, so go down swinging. There is always Byzantium.

Anonymous Gary September 12, 2015 9:18 AM  

"Gary, shedule C non-career appointees are political appointees and easily replaced."

Been my experience as a manager that when you fire a few slackers on your team the rest of the crew gets its act together in a big way. Without fail each time I got rid of a problem child the rest would fall inline toot-sweet. They may think they are safe but feeling safe is another story.

The crazy gringo might get them next.

Anonymous kfg September 12, 2015 9:19 AM  

"11 mil is a bad estimate; it's probably more like 30+ mil."

Deporting all of 11 million illegals will be a difficult task.

Deporting a third of 30+ million and declaring "Mission Accomplished" will comparatively easy.

Blogger James Dixon September 12, 2015 9:24 AM  

> And only a heartbeat away.

Aye, that's the rub.

Blogger Cail Corishev September 12, 2015 9:28 AM  

I'm standing at a buffet, looking at a dozen plates of food. I can see that four of them are crawling with maggots. Four others have mold growing on them. Two have a distinctive smell of spoiled meat. One is just bones that look like they were picked over by previous diners.

The last plate looks okay. Not real appetizing -- I can see pieces of green pepper in it -- but it looks like food. But as I reach for it, the Republicans/conservatives/moderates/media standing in line behind me say, "No, don't eat that! It might have poison in it!"

Blogger Tiny Tim September 12, 2015 9:40 AM  

Trump is a negotiator. He starts at the extreme and works his way to accommodation, a win / win as long as he seems to get the best of the deal.

That is why he is extreme in speech but not so extreme in action.

He is by far our best hope which is an indictment of what we are.

Blogger David-093 September 12, 2015 9:41 AM  

@VD

"I'd like to see him pledge to begin deporting legal immigrants, but that would probably be too much for the average voter"

At this point I'd say yes. One step at a time. Trump has done enough to make it acceptable to be openly anti-illegal immigration. It'll take some time to get the public on-board with deporting "legal" immigrants, but if it can be tied in with the importation of Somalis, Muslims, and others then it could be built up until the public equates legal immigration with bringing in undesirables as well.

Anonymous Discard September 12, 2015 9:41 AM  

Most people in this country can be fired for not doing their jobs. Trump would get a whole lot of public support if the courts were to side with useless civil servants. Public support could make possible for him to exceed the powers of his office, just as elite support has allowed previous Presidents to carry out unconstitutional policy.

Hail, Caesar!

Better Julius Caesar than Caligula.

Blogger Tiny Tim September 12, 2015 9:50 AM  

Do any of us think a wall will ever be built by anyone?

If Trump is real he will have to be destroyed.

Trillions and trillions are at stake and Trump is not worth trillions.

Blogger Eric I. Gatera. September 12, 2015 9:52 AM  

Thanks James for the quote. But it doesnt seem that he is against weapons per se but the kind of weapons depending on population density as you pointed out.

Anonymous Dave September 12, 2015 9:54 AM  

All Trump needs to do with career bureaucrats that don't toe the line is relocate them to say new gov't offices on the Rio Grande. Or many other undesirable places. They will quickly fall in line if the only choice is losiing their posh beltway status.

Anonymous Andrew Spooner Jr. September 12, 2015 9:57 AM  

Ben Carson is not a joke, VD. You're about as wrong as you could be about Ben Carson. I pictured you as a better judge of character. He's a much wiser Ent than you my friend. I think you have come up against your own wisdom wall that you can't see over, Vox. Let me put it this way Vox: I'd follow Ben Carson across the Patomac. I may, if the situation looked reasonable, consider helping you hold the gates against the Carthiginians, but it's not like I trust your judgement on this issue. I think you have a big blind spot when it comes to spotting godly leaders, Vox. There are men, and then there are Judges, just like in the good old days. The Judges are returning to the earth. And Dr Carson is waving the banner front and center. Mark my words. The world is about to become stranger than ever :)

Anonymous WinstonWebb September 12, 2015 9:57 AM  

Do any of us think a wall will ever be built by anyone?

It is certain.

The correct question is: Will it be built BEFORE or AFTER mass bloodshed?

Anonymous Dave September 12, 2015 9:57 AM  

wtf?

Anonymous WinstonWebb September 12, 2015 10:03 AM  

Andrew,
Your blind devotion to Carson reminds me of one of the clowns from years ago that used to post here about Huckabee being "God's candidate". Wish I could recall the poster's handle. In any event, I'll bet the field vs. Carson if you'd like to lose some money through your confidence.

Anonymous Lucius September 12, 2015 10:05 AM  

@ ZhukovG Reagan with the air traffic controllers, a private union on strike, is apples to oranges.

@ Cail a president should be able to fire any empliyee since the admin agencies are under executive branch, but how that works in reality has been all screwed up by the courts who've had to come up with constitutional law on the fly to deal with agencies that were never contemplated in the Constitution (they not only administer laws but make regs and adjudicate as well).

I have heard horror stories about getting rid of incompetent govt employees, especially minorities. Anecdotes aren't sufficient proof, I know.

Anyway, as you say, personell can be shuffled. In that vein I think the easiest way would be to simply move the entire agency to BF nowhere, flyover redstate usa.

Blogger Josh September 12, 2015 10:06 AM  

It’s often argued that the American murder rate is high because guns are more available here than in other countries. Democrats want to confiscate all guns, which is a dumb idea because only the law-abiding citizens would turn in their guns and the bad guys would be the only ones left armed. The Republicans walk the NRA line and refuse even limited restrictions.

Source: The America We Deserve, by Donald Trump, p.102 , Jul 2, 2000

I generally oppose gun control, but I support the ban on assault weapons and I support a slightly longer waiting period to purchase a gun. With today’s Internet technology we should be able to tell within 72-hours if a potential gun owner has a record.

Source: The America We Deserve, by Donald Trump, p.102 , Jul 2, 2000

Blogger Eric I. Gatera. September 12, 2015 10:10 AM  

Dave, it seems that Carson seems to have the same view as Trump on Guns. They promote the 2nd amendment but sound reluctant to okay all type of weapons. Trump opposes assault weapons in particular but he is open to bearing guns in general: http://www.ontheissues.org/2016/Donald_Trump_Gun_Control.htm

Blogger Tiny Tim September 12, 2015 10:12 AM  

Josh, you live in a time warp.

Trump's sons go African big game hunting.

They are Mr. Trumps fruit.

They are pro 2nd amendment guaranteed.

Blogger Cataline Sergius September 12, 2015 10:12 AM  

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Blogger Salt September 12, 2015 10:14 AM  

Trump opposes assault weapons in particular

If I recall, Trump knows the diff between an assault weapon (a misnomer if there ever was one) and a semi-auto.

Blogger Cataline Sergius September 12, 2015 10:15 AM  

Trump has at least put immigration on the venue.

Of course the only reason he was able to do that was that he had no intention of running a real campaign in the first place.

By accident he grabbed what that all the rest of the GOP candidates were viewing as a third rail and it's the only issue that is really driving the base right now. Immigration.

Because being anti-immigration makes you an enemy of the Republican donor class and the press will call you bad, bad words. Plus, you won't get invited to the right parties in Manhattan and Virginia anymore.

Blogger Tiny Tim September 12, 2015 10:15 AM  

My. fear is trump will always compromise as he is "the negotiator" and we don't know where his line is.

He is pragmatic though and would not alienate his base which he will do in 1 second if he attacks gun rights in any way.

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Blogger Joel #0164 September 12, 2015 10:25 AM  

I think you have a big blind spot when it comes to spotting godly leaders, Vox.

I think you have a big blind spot when it comes to token black Republicans running for president. Andrew's found his magic Negro.

Anonymous Discard September 12, 2015 10:25 AM  

Regarding the matter of moving government offices out of D.C: Didn't Senator Robert Byrd distinguish himself for moving Federal agencies to West Virginia? Surely it would be possible to relocate the TSA to Fairbanks, Alaska? It should be even easier to simply relocate the recalcitrant employees individually. Yeah, Jose, you'll be working in Detroit until you collect your pension.

Blogger Cataline Sergius September 12, 2015 10:25 AM  

Trump's sons go African big game hunting.

They are Mr. Trumps fruit.

They are pro 2nd amendment guaranteed.


Oh please!

Rich people are always pro-gun for themselves but no one else is invited to the second amendment party. I could name names all day of pro gun control liberals who own a shit load of guns themselves.

Just because a rich guy's kids own guns don't think for a second they are pro-second amendment. They live and operate in the New York City echo chamber.

Blogger Cataline Sergius September 12, 2015 10:27 AM  

Read Martin Van Creveld; "Nothing destroys morale faster than a string of futile victories."

The GOP has the worst leadership in about fifty years. They are totally cocooned in Washington. It was actually a shock to one of their researchers a month ago, when he detected extreme dissatisfaction in the base.

Apparently immigration is the thing that the GOP establishment can't let itself think about.

This was a year AFTER Eric Cantor was sent to the wall by his own constituency over immigration.

If these shadows remain unaltered by the future; expect the GOP to have a worse year in 2016 than in 2006 and 2008 combined, with Joe Biden taking the White House.

Anonymous will best September 12, 2015 10:30 AM  

A 2-year time frame is perfectly doable, and that is what scares the crap out of the elite. If he had said his plan would take 10 years (backloaded of course), the press would continue with their indignation but nobody of any significance would care because it wouldn't get implemented.

I do love the cries for specifics from the elite media apparatus though. His 6-page immigration paper is already 100 times more specific than Obama's entire platform in 08 and 12 combined, and yet they are clamoring for more. The olé keep asking for rope until you have enough to hang a person with strategy.

Blogger Julie Dyal September 12, 2015 10:36 AM  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0ENYaKCjXI

Carson: no, absolutely not.

Blogger Josh September 12, 2015 10:38 AM  

Josh, you live in a time warp.

Trump's sons go African big game hunting.

They are Mr. Trumps fruit.

They are pro 2nd amendment guaranteed.


I'm quoting what the man himself wrote.

I report, you decide.

Blogger VD September 12, 2015 10:45 AM  

Ben Carson is not a joke, VD. You're about as wrong as you could be about Ben Carson. I pictured you as a better judge of character. He's a much wiser Ent than you my friend. I think you have come up against your own wisdom wall that you can't see over, Vox. Let me put it this way Vox: I'd follow Ben Carson across the Patomac. I may, if the situation looked reasonable, consider helping you hold the gates against the Carthiginians, but it's not like I trust your judgement on this issue. I think you have a big blind spot when it comes to spotting godly leaders, Vox.

Ben Carson will not go anywhere and no one would follow him if he did. He's not a leader at all. He's a doctor and his sole appeal to Republicans is his Magical Negritude.

Anonymous Erik September 12, 2015 10:50 AM  

This may be relevant to your interests regarding what it takes for little people to attempt a YOU'RE FIRED:

https://foseti.wordpress.com/2010/07/09/firing-a-government-employee/

Relevant extracts:

"I’ve done a bit of asking around and found one person who works in government who is familiar with a federal employee actually being fired. [...] First, the supervisor has to do document that the employee does not do or is incapable of performing his job functions. [...] Then the employee has to be flunked at a couple performance reviews. [...] Finally, the official process includes the employee enlisting the help of a union representative. It ends with full-on review by some sort of board."

Blogger David-093 September 12, 2015 10:51 AM  

@87

"I report, you decide."

Settle down, O'Reilly.

In all seriousness, does anyone expect any form of mass compliance with a nationwide gun registry? Trump is a smart guy and he has to know his base would never support any limitations on guns, no matter what he said. I'm not so much worried about what he'll try to do about guns--I expect he'll ignore the issue--as I am him not following through on immigration. But again, he's at least bothering to tell us what we want to hear, the others are saying, "Fuck you, give up your country" and expecting a thank you for it.

Blogger Elocutioner #0226 September 12, 2015 10:51 AM  

Let's say Trump is elected and he negotiates down for a few million illegals ejected and a partial wall. So? That's 100x better than the amnesty the party wants and is a partial victory. A negotiation is better than a complete capitulation.

Even if he's totally co-opted by the party once he gets in he's already changed the national conversation about the invasion. Read his immigration paper and compare it with anything the others have said (if they've even bothered to write a paper on it.)

The first thing you have to understand is that this election is about Trump, and maybe Carson, Walker, and Cruz as outsiders vs the rest are definitely insiders. The Conservative Treehouse lays it out. Trump is the only one who can break the establishment's power over the party. Ask yourself - when is the last time the GOP actually did something big that the base wanted, versus how many times have they lied and done the exact opposite? If they're being funded and run by a GOP super-PAC - like poor little Ricky was - they're for the oligarchy. I simply will never vote for one of them.

And Carson's time would be better spent in the hospital healing people where he has a clue as to what he's doing. He wants outreach to the BLM and Ferguson savages, gun control, and amnesty. As Vox pointed out, he's this election's magic negro, but less qualified than Cain and Keyes.

Same with Carly - she's there to incite the War on Women attacks against Trump and a skirt to hide behind for the womanly GOP candidates to attack Hillary. She's a GOP operative. She's been sniping him for weeks and Rolling Stone's editor took special interest in that story that produced the face quote. They're all in and coordinated. She's pro-DREAMer, pro-amnesty.

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/immigration-reform

Blogger David-093 September 12, 2015 10:53 AM  

"He's a doctor and his sole appeal to Republicans is his Magical Negritude."

But he's a BLACK doctor! Don't you know what that means?! The country will finally see it's the liberals who are the real racists, not us! /cuckservative

Blogger Cail Corishev September 12, 2015 10:58 AM  

I have heard horror stories about getting rid of incompetent govt employees, especially minorities.

Because the people trying to do it let themselves be stopped, usually by cries of racism or "Think of the Children!"

Anyone who's ever managed a business (which leaves out most politicians) knows there are times that you get stuck with an employee who sucks and you don't have the option of firing him right then. So you move him to a position where he can't do as much damage, encourage him to take a lot of time off, help him get promoted so the boss who stuck you with him has to deal with him, offer him a buyout or early retirement, set him up to commit a fireable offense, etc. You have lots of options besides, "Well, I guess we just have to let him keep burning down the business."

I'm not saying it would be easy. If it were easy, past presidents would have done it and we wouldn't be trillions in debt and losing our rights to bureaucrats. That doesn't mean it can't be done. Reagan campaigned on getting rid of the Department of Education, which was only a year old at the time. By the time he took office, he decided he couldn't get rid of it. But he could have gotten rid of it. He had the power to simply sign the order to do it. "Can't" meant, "It would cost too much political capital that I'll need for more important things like beating the Commies."

"It would be harder than people think for Trump to clean house," might be true. "He won't," might be true, but we don't know yet. "He can't," is not.

Blogger Cataline Sergius September 12, 2015 11:05 AM  

Here is my breakdown on Trump's electability.

Currently he sits at 29.8% popular vote GOP (RCP Avg), If the field remains broken that would be enough to get him the nomination but nowhere near enough to get him the Presidency.

Too much resistance to him within the mainstream moderate GOP and moderates in the general election won't break his way if Biden is on ticket, which at this point is looking very likely.

His numbers are also a little deceptive, since about half of his support is from people who have never voted in primaries. He would need an Obama style get out the base, vote machine to deliver for him and he hasn't put one together.

Hilariously but completely unsurprisingly for students of Game, he is doing better with women than any Republican has since Reagan. This is causing consternation in wonk circles because of Trump is doing this in spite of his noted misogyny.

Note to the eggheads, he is not doing well with women in spite of his in spite of his misogyny he is doing well because of it.

Blogger Were-Puppy September 12, 2015 11:09 AM  

"On the call, Mr. Trump was asked for details about how long it would take to round up illegal immigrants living in the U.S., "

Look at how they word the question with "round up". Illegals are not completely stupid. We have anecdotal evidence (maybe more) that by simply beginning the process of toughening laws against them will have them hit the road on their own.

So whatever the number is, 11 million, 30 million, a large percentage of them will self deport. I'm assuming this is the ones who are here just working, and sending benjamins back home. I don't think this typical illegal ever plans on staying here, but working several years and then retiring home anyway.

What to make of the ones who don't roll out on their own? And what about the anchor baby issue?

Blogger Elocutioner #0226 September 12, 2015 11:09 AM  

But here's the thing - after the previous eight years of complete lawlessness and disregard for the Constitution people will say 'okay, yes, clean out the IRS, DOJ, and DHS.' It's politics and polling. You need to fight it either way and go straight to the cameras and get your own words on those TVs, not the pundit class' spin. Politicians are all about self-preservation. If you're specifically and publicly called out by the President and 90% of your voting base is against you that makes for a short career. And the rest may start to fall in line. They just need leadership.

Congress has the power to limit what is relevant to the federal courts below SCOTUS. If you remove their jurisdiction you'd have to appeal the firing directly to SCOTUS. That raises the bar significantly and greatly limits the amount of things that the federal courts can check you on.

Blogger Cail Corishev September 12, 2015 11:15 AM  

I'd assume pre-campaign Trump was pro-gun-control for the same reason I assume he was pro-abortion: he's a rich guy living in New York and other elite places, rubbing elbows mostly with rich liberals like Bloomberg. He was focused on business and appears to have thought little about politics. It would have been surprising if he didn't pick up the general political attitudes of his peers.

So if he now says he's pro-gun or anti-abortion, it's like his switch on immigration after reading Coulter's book: it'd mean that once he got into politics deeper than the mainstream surface level, he learned things that changed his mind. Which is possible -- it happened to many of us who were indoctrinated with leftism in school and later learned better -- so at that point it comes down to: do you believe him? Or: do you believe him enough to bother voting for him over people who suck for certain?

Anonymous Billy September 12, 2015 11:16 AM  

Not to mention Carson is in favor of giving Illegals guest workers status (amnesty). Most are unaware of his views concerning immigration because that is how the establishment wants it. I think Carson is the typical Neocon candidate. Rather than talk about the greatest issue facing us and our people, they focus on topical issues of "smaller government, tax cuts, Iran is going to nuke us, etc, typical Republican talking points. Not to beat a dead horse. But immigration is a question of who we are. It is the most important issue of this millennial for European man.

Blogger Josh September 12, 2015 11:18 AM  

do you believe him? Or: do you believe him enough to bother voting for him over people who suck for certain?

No and no

Anonymous The other robot September 12, 2015 11:18 AM  

Why are they coming

What will they do when they have destroyed the city on the hill.

Blogger Elocutioner #0226 September 12, 2015 11:18 AM  

@Cataline "Too much resistance to him within the mainstream moderate GOP and moderates in the general election won't break his way if Biden is on ticket, which at this point is looking very likely."

He's winning head-to-head against Hillary, Biden, and Sanders. I don't think anybody else is. They're all running about 43-45%. He's got 30% of (legal) hispanics and 25% of blacks.

Blogger Cataline Sergius September 12, 2015 11:20 AM  

@88 Ben Carson will not go anywhere and no one would follow him if he did. He's not a leader at all. He's a doctor and his sole appeal to Republicans is his Magical Negritude.

@ Vox, That is part of it but there is more to it than that. This is kind of a zeitgeist thing you probably aren't picking up on due to distance.

He is an anti-establishment candidate for the anti-establishment voters who are fundamentally repelled by Trump. It is somewhat different than the support Colin Powell used to regularly get.

It may not look different to you but it is. Don't take my word for, ask Nate.

And no, I am not Ben Carson fan. The man is not a doctor, he is a surgeon. There is no way in hell I'm voting for a goddamn cutter!

Anonymous Dave September 12, 2015 11:20 AM  

> Note to the eggheads, he is not doing well with women in spite of his in spite of his misogyny he is doing well because of it.

What "misogyny" you referring to?

Blogger Josh September 12, 2015 11:24 AM  

He's winning head-to-head against Hillary, Biden, and Sanders. I don't think anybody else is. They're all running about 43-45%. He's got 30% of (legal) hispanics and 25% of blacks.

Only in one poll.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/president/

Friday, September 11

General Election: Trump vs. Clinton CNN/ORC Clinton 48, Trump 48 Tie
General Election: Trump vs. Biden CNN/ORC Biden 54, Trump 44 Biden +10

Saturday, September 5

General Election: Trump vs. Clinton SurveyUSA Clinton 40, Trump 45 Trump +5
General Election: Trump vs. Biden SurveyUSA Biden 42, Trump 44 Trump +2
General Election: Trump vs. Sanders SurveyUSA Trump 44, Sanders 40 Trump +4

Thursday, September 3

General Election: Trump vs. Clinton PPP (D) Clinton 46, Trump 44 Clinton +2
General Election: Trump vs. Biden PPP (D) Biden 47, Trump 41 Biden +6
General Election: Trump vs. Sanders PPP (D) Trump 43, Sanders 42 Trump +1
General Election: Bush vs. Clinton vs. Trump PPP (D) Clinton 42, Bush 23, Trump 27 Clinton +15

Anonymous BGS September 12, 2015 11:25 AM  

Why wait? Is it going to be such a yuge, fabulous wall they won't be able to leave if he builds it first?

Just cutting off taxpayer paid benefits will send them running, but they leech so much off of us in benefits the sooner the better. Its better the self deportees don't have a wall to hinder them.

@7 about that Careful...... SJW tantrum....stand back!! I don't recall any of Heinlein's gay characters

" LeGuinn, Bear, Banks, Delaney, Drake, even Heinlein, (to name some off the top of my head) included gay characters"

guns. Carson is a joke and would have zero support if he wasn't black.

When I heard he was the head of Neurosurgery I remember people that cant do often get promoted to admin if they cant be fired. I personally know of more black doctors that have committed malpractice/negligence than any other race, despite being a small portion of doctors I have worked with.

way Vox: I'd follow Ben Carson across the Patomac.

If you had a choice of Carson, an Asian doctor or a white doctor to operate on you while under anesthesia would you chose Carson?

Does Trump think he's going to fire incompetent bureaucrats Apprentice style? His plan is DOA

If leftists dumped low IQ 3rd world people in INS they can get dumped in the IRS or ATF.

@ Cail, you can't just fire federal employees like you would McDonald workers.

If he cant fire them pay them the same but their new office is on top of the border wall.

Carson took a vastly different stance ...claiming you shouldn't be able to own semi-automatic weapons in large cities.

I would rather they only have semi automatic weapons in large cities. They are more likely to jam when dirty, & be loaded with the wrong size ammo. What are the odds didndu nuttin knows how to clean a gun?

Do any of us think a wall will ever be built by anyone ..The correct question is: Will it be built BEFORE or AFTER mass bloodshed?

The correct question is will it have heads on spikes?

He would need an Obama style get out the base, vote machine to deliver for him and he hasn't put one together.

In AZ he had to move to a bigger venue and left thousands outside.

Blogger Were-Puppy September 12, 2015 11:27 AM  

@13 Lulabelle (68)
WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot?

Winning The Future!

Anonymous BGS September 12, 2015 11:28 AM  

What "misogyny" you referring to?

When Sheldon Anderson was asking questions while using Megan Kelly's lady parts as a shield.

Blogger Josh September 12, 2015 11:28 AM  

When I heard he was the head of Neurosurgery I remember people that cant do often get promoted to admin if they cant be fired. I personally know of more black doctors that have committed malpractice/negligence than any other race, despite being a small portion of doctors I have worked with.

He's a legitimately great neurosurgeon.

Blogger Cail Corishev September 12, 2015 11:28 AM  

I have good, decent, conservative friends who love Carson. They wouldn't know his name if he were white, and they certainly wouldn't be posting quotes from him on Facebook.

Blogger Josh September 12, 2015 11:28 AM  

If you had a choice of Carson, an Asian doctor or a white doctor to operate on you while under anesthesia would you chose Carson?

Yes

Blogger Cataline Sergius September 12, 2015 11:32 AM  

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Blogger Cataline Sergius September 12, 2015 11:33 AM  

@101

What numbers are you using?

RCP average has him at -1.2 to Hillary. Which I admit is better than he should be doing but Carson, Bush and Rubio are doing about the same. Trump is actually doing quite badly against Joe Biden at -5.5. (Please God not Biden!)

Mostly this is just an indication that Hillary's campaign is imploding right on schedule.

Anonymous Andrew Spooner Jr. September 12, 2015 11:35 AM  

I'm afraid you've been on the continent too long, Vox. You've lost the pulse of your own people. Ben Carson i the real thing. If you can't look in the man's eyes and see that with one glance, then I think you are projecting your own personal failings as a person of great intelligence on to Dr Carson. And yes, mark my words, Carson is the next president. I see absolutely no scenario where he doesn't eventually bulldoze through anybody who is put in front of him.

Blogger Cail Corishev September 12, 2015 11:40 AM  

When politicians and their supporters claim you can't do X, they generally haven't even tried nine of the ten ideas for doing X that you could get from an hour of chatting with a public high school civics class.

Apply that to getting rid of troublesome bureaucrats. If I brainstorm while I'm taking a shower later, I'll bet I can think of plenty of ways that I, as president, could make miserable the life of, say, the Chairwoman (it's gotta be, right?) of the EEOC if she tried to block my attempts to clean house. They might not all be doable, and might not all work, but I could give it a good try. They never try anything the least bit imaginative. Their two tactics for dealing with a problem come down to spending more money on it or spending a bit less than more money on it.

It's funny, though, that this emphasizes the mainstream position against Trump, which boils down to: "He's a loose cannon, and you don't know what he'll do! You can't give the massive power of the Presidency of the United States of America, Leader of the Free World, to a man like that! Also, the president doesn't really have any power to do any of the things you want, so stop wishing, you losers."

Anonymous Andrew Spooner Jr. September 12, 2015 11:40 AM  

Vox, I hate to do it, but I'm calling you out. You have clearly not been following Dr Carson and are speaking out of your ass about him. There are hours and hours of him giving various kinds of talks on various kinds of subjects on Youtube, and from the way you talk about him, you don't seem to know the first mother-loving thing about the man. It's a simple matter to spend a few hours researching a person in their own words from their own mouth and not the words others have written about them before you start making public judgement calls about their potential private character.

Anonymous Dave September 12, 2015 11:43 AM  

Oh FFS Spooner have you met buwaya?

Anonymous Billy September 12, 2015 11:43 AM  

If you had a choice of Carson, an Asian doctor or a white doctor to operate on you while under anesthesia would you chose Carson?

Yes

Don't be a retard

Blogger Cail Corishev September 12, 2015 11:43 AM  

If Trump could get Vin Diesel, or maybe the Rock, to be his running mate, I'll bet he could push his numbers with Hispanics up to 60%, and blacks up to 30% or so. Wouldn't hurt him a bit with women, either.

Blogger Josh September 12, 2015 11:44 AM  

Don't be a retard

Look up Carson's record as a surgeon.

Anonymous Billy September 12, 2015 11:48 AM  

I think the vast majority of Carson support is media driven. It is impossible to hear a piece of news concerning Carson that is not extremely positive towards him. Be it either the left or right media(not as if there is any difference with in the mainstream). Media driven and the "look I'm not racist Im color blind Id vote for a majic negro also if he has my views.

Blogger Were-Puppy September 12, 2015 11:49 AM  

@24 Lucius
Does Trump think he's going to fire incompetent bureaucrats Apprentice style? His plan is DOA

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Never say never. At least he might try.

Anonymous Whitey McWhite September 12, 2015 11:52 AM  

@113. Andrew Spooner Jr.: "I'm afraid you've been on the continent too long, Vox. You've lost the pulse of your own people."

Who are Vox Day's own people, in your opinion? And why?

Blogger Cataline Sergius September 12, 2015 11:52 AM  

@118

Called it!

Blogger Were-Puppy September 12, 2015 11:53 AM  

@26 Salt
Start actively deporting and SCOTUS would find a way to halt it.
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SCOTUS can't enforce anything. It was put to the test in the past. Look up Andrew Jackson and the Trail of Tears.

Anonymous BGS September 12, 2015 11:58 AM  

Don't be a retard Look up Carson's record as a surgeon.

The black doctor that I worked with that malpracticed himself to death via medication error similar to Michael Jacksons black doctor was considered the friendliest doctor in the Level 1 trauma center. I personally would want the biggest asshole doctor that makes women cry to do my surgery, because the ones that don't know what they are doing tend to be the friendliest ones that people wouldn't want to file malpractice against. A lot of times patients don't find out they have had malpractice against them.

Blogger Were-Puppy September 12, 2015 12:04 PM  

@45 Godfrey
@40

Ventura was seduced by power once he got elected. Jesse is all about Jesse.
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Plus, we're talking about one of the original dress wearing guys here.

Just because Ventura was not a politician doesn't equate him to Trump in any way.

Anonymous Andrew Spooner Jr. September 12, 2015 12:04 PM  

On what planet are you people living where the conservative voting public suffer from the slightest bit of white guilt that they are trying to extricate themselves from? You are confusing the Party with the actual voters. You don't drum up conservative support through white guilt. That's absolutely ridiculous.

Blogger Josh September 12, 2015 12:05 PM  

On what planet are you people living where the conservative voting public suffer from the slightest bit of white guilt that they are trying to extricate themselves from? You are confusing the Party with the actual voters. You don't drum up conservative support through white guilt. That's absolutely ridiculous.

It's not white guilt, it's a Get Out of Racism Jail Free Card.

Blogger Elocutioner #0226 September 12, 2015 12:10 PM  

@104 Josh I stand corrected.

If it's Biden versus anyone but Trump or Cruz I'm going Biden or 3rd party => Faster please.

Anonymous Andrew Spooner Jr. September 12, 2015 12:10 PM  

I will never understand this bizarre impulse people on the right have to paint their own party as racist. You said it yourself, Vox: Shoot at the other side. Herman Cain was a strong candidate until his infidelity cme out because he was clearly the most qualified, least bullshitting candidate on the stage. Now we've gt an even better version with no skeletons in his closet whatsoever. Quick. Everybody panic and start moving in different directions. I have no idea why you are buying into the left's outdated narrative on this Vox, but to be perfectly honest, it just makes you look out of touch. You really haven't interacted with the American public on a day to day basis for a really long time, have you? I think you've lost all perspective on American politics, to tell you the truth.

Blogger Josh September 12, 2015 12:13 PM  

If it's Biden versus anyone but Trump or Cruz I'm going Biden or 3rd party => Faster please.

President Biden would be an amazing run of unintentional comedy.

Blogger Josh September 12, 2015 12:14 PM  

Herman Cain was a strong candidate until his infidelity cme out because he was clearly the most qualified, least bullshitting candidate on the stage. Now we've gt an even better version with no skeletons in his closet whatsoever.

What's the only thing Cain and Carson have in common?

Anonymous Discard September 12, 2015 12:16 PM  

Andrew Spooner: Of course the GOP is racist. Anybody with half a brain is, whether they admit it or not. Proof: To steal a line from Jared Taylor, if Whites really want diversity, all they have to do is move to a Black neighborhood. But they don't.

Blogger Elocutioner #0226 September 12, 2015 12:17 PM  

President Biden would be an amazing run of unintentional comedy.

His campaign theme song really needs to be the Benny Hill Theme.

Blogger John Galt September 12, 2015 12:20 PM  

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Blogger VFM bot #188 September 12, 2015 12:20 PM  

For all the comments here doubting Trump, saying you don't believe him, asserting "a wall will never be built" and so forth....

Trump is the political equivalent of a Hail Mary pass in the final seconds of a football game. We don't have any choice, there's no other alternative. So suck it up and vote for Trump. Including you Josh. It may or may not turn out bad. But any other choice is a guaranteed bad.

Anonymous FP September 12, 2015 12:20 PM  

For Eric and others re Dr. Carson and guns:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1wQrVNmo80

Glen Beck Show in 2013, not that long ago. You'd think after all the tea party is racist stuff people would learn. I'd have more respect for him if he'd had the balls to actually say instead of "it depends on where you live" that "I don't trust my fellow urbanites aka blacks with guns so it should depend on where you live." Its like saying I believe in the 4th amendment but we need to keep stop and frisk laws in NYC because it works. Letting people defend themselves also works but then that would give the people bad ideas about challenging corrupt government.

Anonymous Andrew Spooner Jr. September 12, 2015 12:20 PM  

JOSH:

And those on the right would traditionally desire this for what reason exactly? I'm absolutely baffled. You are clearly all talking out of your asses about Ben Carson and don't know the first thing about him, haven't read any of his books, watch his Biographical film, watched any of the many hours of speeches and sermons on everything from PC-Entryism to creationism. I think you're all full of shit at the moment to tell you the truth. I'm disgusted. You're sniping at your own side, acting like pessimists, and assuming the worst case scenario, just like the other side does. Somebody pointed you at a target, told you some big bad bugaboo buzzword about him, and you didn't bother to go watch the man speak for himself.

Anonymous WillBest September 12, 2015 12:23 PM  

It isn't about shooting people on your side any more. If Vox is throwing his support behind Trump, anybody standing in Trump's way is now the enemy. Which presently means the GOP field not named Trump.

Blogger Josh September 12, 2015 12:23 PM  

Trump is the political equivalent of a Hail Mary pass in the final seconds of a football game. We don't have any choice, there's no other alternative. So suck it up and vote for Trump. Including you Josh. It may or may not turn out bad. But any other choice is a guaranteed bad.

Are you saying THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANTEST ELECTION EVAR!!!!!

Anonymous Andrew Spooner Jr. September 12, 2015 12:23 PM  

What's the only thing Cain and Carson have in common?

They are one of only two or three candidates who would make a good president.

Blogger Robert What? September 12, 2015 12:26 PM  

@Andrew Spooner,

Your comment is intriguing. Why are you saying Trump wants Carson to overtake him? Is it because you think Trump really doesn't want to be President?

Anonymous Scintan September 12, 2015 12:27 PM  

I'm afraid you've been on the continent too long, Vox. You've lost the pulse of your own people. Ben Carson i the real thing. If you can't look in the man's eyes and see that with one glance, then I think you are projecting your own personal failings as a person of great intelligence on to Dr Carson. And yes, mark my words, Carson is the next president. I see absolutely no scenario where he doesn't eventually bulldoze through anybody who is put in front of him.

What's with the trolling?

Anonymous Andrew Spooner Jr. September 12, 2015 12:27 PM  

It isn't about shooting people on your side any more. If Vox is throwing his support behind Trump, anybody standing in Trump's way is now the enemy. Which presently means the GOP field not named Trump

I could give two shits who Vox supports for president. He's some dude who's particularly adept at certain subjects; economics and the philosophy of dialectical debate being two great examples. I don't follow Vox. I follow God. God is good at everything. God doesn't like Donald Trump very much.

Anonymous The other robot September 12, 2015 12:29 PM  

Herman Cain was a strong candidate until his infidelity cme out because he was clearly the most qualified,

There is a fool born every minute.

Wonder how many skeletons Carson has in his closet.

Anonymous Andrew Spooner Jr. September 12, 2015 12:30 PM  

What's with the trolling?

I'm sorry, questioning the concept of the OP is now considered trolling? Vox is a big boy, and very intelligent as well. I just don't think he's put as much thought into this topic as as he is posturing he has. I'm sure he can speak for himself, thanks.

Blogger Elocutioner #0226 September 12, 2015 12:32 PM  

God doesn't like Donald Trump very much.

And there it is. The evangelical lets it slip - we need the midwit with strong faith to lead us! God even helped Carson ace his freshman chemistry final because the diversity candidate was failing badly and wouldn't make it into pre-med!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEiBidpOzbs

Blogger Josh September 12, 2015 12:35 PM  

They are one of only two or three candidates who would make a good president.

Nice try at dodging. Why did you say Carson was a better version of Cain?

Blogger Danby September 12, 2015 12:36 PM  

@Andrew Spooner.
No matter how hard you campaign for him, Ben Carson is just not interested in you. Really, you're coming across like a lovesick 14-year-old girl.
No one here is interested in Carson because 1) he's not conservative and 2) he's not electable.
Quick now, name three issues where Carson's position could not be adopted in toto by the Democrat candidate.

I was a Cain supporter, he seemed the only candidate who actually wanted to reduce the reach of the fedgov. But he totally blew it with the bimbo eruption. Had he acknowledged it and dismissed it, it would have turned into a joke. The man obviously has game, but not enough game.

Anonymous Andrew Spooner Jr. September 12, 2015 12:38 PM  

Yeah, I really don't get where you're coming from on this, Vox. Donald Trump is clearly the joke. He is a braggart and a fool. He is not the type of man our God would let anywhere neat the White House. Which is why it is not going to happen. Trump is going to eventually turn off the voters (which is clearly his intention from the start by the way ;) and everybody is going to rally behind Carson, we are going to have one last decent president before Jesus comes back if I have to pull out my own intestines to make it happen, and that's the way the story ends.

Blogger Josh September 12, 2015 12:38 PM  

I was a Cain supporter, he seemed the only candidate who actually wanted to reduce the reach of the fedgov.

Yeah, except for that Ron Paul guy...

Blogger Danby September 12, 2015 12:39 PM  

@Andrew Spooner said
"God doesn't like Donald Trump very much."

Proof you're not a Christian.
God loves The Donald enough to die in agony for him.

Blogger Josh September 12, 2015 12:39 PM  

we are going to have one last decent president before Jesus comes back if I have to pull out my own intestines to make it happen, and that's the way the story ends.

I gotta admit, that takes some guts.

Blogger Danby September 12, 2015 12:41 PM  

@152 Josh
I admit, I lol'ed

Blogger Elocutioner #0226 September 12, 2015 12:45 PM  

He is not the type of man our God would let anywhere neat the White House.

Like, say, FDR? JFK? Obama? Or perhaps Saul of Tarsus?

Blogger Were-Puppy September 12, 2015 12:47 PM  

@149. Andrew Spooner Jr.
He is not the type of man our God would let anywhere neat the White House.
---

But Obama is the type of guy?

Blogger Danby September 12, 2015 12:48 PM  

God let Lyndon Johnson be president, and there's no-one one in the field as vain, narcissistic, crass, venal, self-absorbed, sexually incontinent, foolish and manipulative as LBJ.
So, yeah, Doctor Magic Negro Man is not a shoo-in.

Anonymous Dave September 12, 2015 12:48 PM  

+1

Blogger John Galt September 12, 2015 12:49 PM  

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Anonymous Andrew Spooner Jr. September 12, 2015 12:50 PM  

But Obama is the type of guy?

Yes, clearly. But we'll have to wait until 2008 to find out.

Anonymous Andrew Spooner Jr. September 12, 2015 12:54 PM  

So, yeah, Doctor Magic Negro Man is not a shoo-in

Well, God told me and many thousands of other people several months ago that he is at night in our deep personal prayers, which is why we have been supporting him since last year before you ever heard his name. So, yes, I'm afraid he is a shoe-in. Sorry you didn't get the memo yet kid.

Anonymous IncoherentM September 12, 2015 12:55 PM  

I'm thinking the same as you Salt. The court system in the U.S. would shut mass deportation down quickly.

Anonymous Discard September 12, 2015 12:55 PM  

I think that Spooner is a troll. I'll pretty tone deaf about these things, but I can't believe he's for real. "God doesn't like Trump"?

Anonymous Andrew Spooner Jr. September 12, 2015 12:56 PM  

"Proof you're not a Christian.
God loves The Donald enough to die in agony for him."

Who said anything about love?

Anonymous Andrew Spooner Jr. September 12, 2015 12:58 PM  

"I think that Spooner is a troll. I'll pretty tone deaf about these things, but I can't believe he's for real. "God doesn't like Trump"?"

I'm thinking you spend entirely too much time in message groups and not enough in real life situations debating ideas with another real-life person who can actually stare you down and make you feel shame when you say something stupid to their face. No worries, though. I just did it though a computer.

Anonymous Donn #0114 September 12, 2015 12:58 PM  

Come on Spooner's gotta be Tad.

Anonymous Donn #0114 September 12, 2015 12:58 PM  

Or Scooby.

Blogger Josh September 12, 2015 12:59 PM  

I'm thinking you spend entirely too much time in message groups and not enough in real life situations debating ideas with another real-life person who can actually stare you down and make you feel shame when you say something stupid to their face. No worries, though. I just did it though a computer.

SJWs always project

Anonymous Gary September 12, 2015 12:59 PM  

"Yes, clearly. But we'll have to wait until 2008 to find out."

You know what I told friends in 2008?

If the guy is successful in Chicago he is the biggest sewer rat in the system and to be avoided. Anyone who has studied Chicago politics for 30 seconds would know its as corrupt as it gets.

I was proven correct in my assessment.

Anonymous Discard September 12, 2015 1:00 PM  

I don't doubt that the courts would try to stop mass deportations, but they'd putting themselves into a direct confrontation with a President who may not give a shit, backed by a public that also does not give a shit.

SCOTUS delenda est.

Anonymous Andrew Spooner Jr. September 12, 2015 1:02 PM  

Good lord, what is with all the fainting violets around here? You literally come here to agree with everything Vox says and then just kind of . . . what . . . go about your day? Yeah, Vox's opinions are great. And so are mine. And so are God's. And God's trump mine and Vox's every time. If you're so eager to start a Vox Day cargo cult you might want to get Vox's opinion on that first. Now run and play.

Blogger Danby September 12, 2015 1:02 PM  

Well, God told me and many thousands of other people several months ago that he is
And what will you do, Andrew, when he loses?

Re-assess your understanding of God's will? Realize your own habit of self-deception? Think long and hard about God's involvement in politics? Chastise yourself for substituting Christ with a secular savior?

No, my money's on "blame other people."

In plain point of fact, I don't think God did. I think you have convinced yourself that God told you that, because it makes you feel righteous, and anything YOU want must, obviously, be endorsed by the Almighty.

Damn, I hate self-decieving Christians. And if you are trolling, congratulations, you suckered me in.

Not Tad though, nothing about anal sex yet.

Anonymous Spooner Sr. September 12, 2015 1:02 PM  

That's enough son now go clean your room.

Blogger Josh September 12, 2015 1:04 PM  

You literally come here to agree with everything Vox says and then just kind of . . . what . . . go about your day?

Yeah, that's we're all so resolutely pro-Trump...

Anonymous Andrew Spooner Jr. September 12, 2015 1:04 PM  

SJWs always project

Yeah, great kid. You just read the book. Hurray for you. Now go form some opinions of your own and please come back when all of those are curled up and attached firmly to your nut-sack.

Anonymous Andrew Spooner Jr. September 12, 2015 1:07 PM  

That's enough son now go clean your room.

I'm more than big and old enough to beat up my own father, kid. You asked for rhetoric, bitch, you got it.

Anonymous Gary September 12, 2015 1:07 PM  

Sorry, Carson doesn't stand a snowballs chance in hell.

Nice guy, babe in the woods. How good a surgeon he is doesn't mean jack. I'm great car builder, doesn't mean I can wire a house.

Blogger Josh September 12, 2015 1:08 PM  

Andrew, did God tell you to vote for Cain?

Anonymous Andrew Spooner Jr. September 12, 2015 1:14 PM  

Andrew, did God tell you to vote for Cain?

Have you got some counter-point you are trying to make or do you expect me to read your mind like my fucking fiance?

Anonymous Whitey McWhite September 12, 2015 1:14 PM  

BGS, you're doing great. Stay strong.

Blogger Josh September 12, 2015 1:15 PM  

Have you got some counter-point you are trying to make or do you expect me to read your mind like my fucking fiance?

My point is that you're supporting Carson for the same reason you supported Cain. Because they're black. You even said that Carson was a better version of Cain. The only thing they have in common is their skin color. That's it.

Blogger VD September 12, 2015 1:16 PM  

I will never understand this bizarre impulse people on the right have to paint their own party as racist. You said it yourself, Vox: Shoot at the other side.

Ben Carson is not on my side. I am not a Republican, I am not an anti-gunner, and I am not pro-immigration. He is anti-gun and pro-path to citizenship. So, he is wrong on the two most important issues, he only appeals to get-out-of-racism-free Republicans, and would probably be a worse president than Hillary Clinton.

Blogger VD September 12, 2015 1:17 PM  

Have you got some counter-point you are trying to make or do you expect me to read your mind like my fucking fiance?

Answer the question, Spooner. It's a simple Yes/No question. Stop evading it.

Anonymous Andrew Spooner Jr. September 12, 2015 1:18 PM  

Nice guy, babe in the woods. How good a surgeon he is doesn't mean jack. I'm great car builder, doesn't mean I can wire a house. ?

Let me get this strait: You can build a car, but you have no confidence in your ability to read some books about wiring a house and then wiring a house?

Because I'm pretty sure I could do both of those things next week if you left me alone to study. What, are you fucking twelve? You lack that basic level of learning abilty, and you think you are well-placed to judge the proffessional talents of arguably the greatest living neuron-surgeon on the planet? Remind not to have you build me a car.

Blogger Elocutioner #0226 September 12, 2015 1:19 PM  

I'm more than big and old enough to beat up my own father, kid. You asked for rhetoric, bitch, you got it.

Tiny Tim's cousin?

Anonymous Andrew Spooner Jr. September 12, 2015 1:20 PM  

"Answer the question, Spooner. It's a simple Yes/No question. Stop evading it."

Yes.

Blogger Danby September 12, 2015 1:21 PM  

Easy now, Andrew, you're ranting.

Oh, and name three positions of Carson's that a Democrat could not adopt.

Anonymous The other robot September 12, 2015 1:21 PM  

How good a surgeon he is doesn't mean jack. I'm great car builder, doesn't mean I can wire a house.

It's not clear that he actually is/was a good surgeon.

Do we really need another magic negro witch doctor?

Blogger John Galt September 12, 2015 1:22 PM  

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Blogger Josh September 12, 2015 1:22 PM  

It's not clear that he actually is/was a good surgeon.

Yes it is. He was the first guy to separate conjoined twins.

Anonymous Andrew Spooner Jr. September 12, 2015 1:23 PM  

Evading. Vox, you are drinking your own Kool-Aid. Someone tries to change the subject by asking a completely unrelated and loaded question, and somehow this is "evading." I'm going to chalk this up to an off day, Vox. You are better than this.

Anonymous Discard September 12, 2015 1:23 PM  

It would never enter the mind of a healthy grown man to beat up his own father. The troll is a boy, not yet over Daddy's oppression.

Blogger Josh September 12, 2015 1:23 PM  

Yes.

Interesting. You know that Morgan Freeman isn't really God, right?

Anonymous Andrew Spooner Jr. September 12, 2015 1:26 PM  

Vox, I'm afraid your group of commenters haven't taken your own advice. They are trying to defend you blindly with tactics you yourself have denounced when used by the other side for your entire career. Not your fault, but I expect a little more effort than simply chiming in, piling on, and running to your speech code when something makes you uncomfortable. I have a lot more respect for you than that that I have built up over more than a decade.

Anonymous Andrew Spooner Jr. September 12, 2015 1:28 PM  

Interesting. You know that Morgan Freeman isn't really God, right?

You do know that that is a complete non-sequitur, has nothing to do with aything aybody is talking about, and also I fucked your mom, right?

Blogger Werekoala1066 September 12, 2015 1:30 PM  

Trump has a broad-based appeal that other politicians lack because of one key factor. HE'S DONE THINGS. Most candidates stand up there and drone on about their "accomplishments" in politics, but people are sick of politicians and their "accomplishments" because we can see, feel, and live the results of their "accomplishments" - and that's what we don't want. Trump can point to buildings, casinos, TV shows, etc. that people relate to, say he's going to DO something, and it rings true because he's actually done things in the past.

As to all the attackers who criticize him by saying "YOU CAN'T DO X", that's another thing people are sick of. Being told what they can't do by politicians. Can't smoke, can't buy a soda that's too big, can't eat what you like, can't stop illegals from invading your country. Nobody likes to be told what they can't do, but that's all we hear from politicians, at any level, anymore. CAN'T build a wall? You damn sure CAN build a wall, if you WANT to. There's nothing logistical or economic preventing it. Some say it's a lack of will, but it's clearly a lack of desire to do so.

Blogger Josh September 12, 2015 1:31 PM  

You do know that that is a complete non-sequitur, has nothing to do with aything aybody is talking about, and also I fucked your mom, right?

Well, you said the last two people God told you to vote for President are black, and Morgan Freeman, who is black, has played God in several movies. So I thought you might have had a dream where Morgan Freeman told you to vote for Cain and Carson, and you thought he was God.

Anonymous Andrew Spooner Jr. September 12, 2015 1:34 PM  

Interesting. You know that Morgan Freeman isn't really God, right?

Yes. Just like every racial group has extreme statistical outliers who are clearly more successful, accomplished, celebrated, important, and in general more dignified than every single person engaged in this discussion right now, and everybody can see it except you because you have a bug up your ass about black republicans that the left put there 30 yeas ago that was never real to begin with. You aren't even an actual racist. You're like a parrot who learned the word racist through a 3rd party and doesn't know what it means.

Anonymous Andrew Spooner Jr. September 12, 2015 1:35 PM  

Well, you said the last two people God told you to vote for President are black, and Morgan Freeman, who is black, has played God in several movies. So I thought you might have had a dream where Morgan Freeman told you to vote for Cain and Carson, and you thought he was God.

Yes . . . um . . . we've all had that dream Josh. Perfectly normal. (Backs away slowly and picks up giant bug net)

Anonymous The other robot September 12, 2015 1:36 PM  

You do know that that is a complete non-sequitur, has nothing to do with aything aybody is talking about, and also I fucked your mom, right?

Dude! You have no taste, and no chilli.

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