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Friday, September 18, 2015

Peace in our time

Bibi meets Vladi as Russia contemplates directly intervening in Syria:
Russia said it’s willing to consider sending troops into combat operations in Syria if President Bashar al-Assad’s government requests assistance. While the possibility is hypothetical now, “if there is a request, it will be discussed as part of bilateral contacts,” Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov told reporters on a conference call on Friday. “Of course it will be discussed and considered.”

The prospect of direct Russian involvement in the country’s civil war, in which more than 250,000 people have died since 2011, would mark a sharp escalation in President Vladimir Putin’s support for the embattled Assad government. The U.S. has accused Russia of increasing military aid to Syria in recent weeks by sending tanks, artillery and personnel, as well as setting up what the Pentagon says might be a forward airbase near the coastal city of Latakia. Syria also hosts Russia’s only naval facility outside the former Soviet Union at Tartus.

The possibility of troop involvement emerged before a visit to Moscow by Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Monday for talks with Putin about Russia’s growing military involvement in Syria. Netanyahu “will present the threats posed to Israel as a result of the increased flow of advanced war material to the Syrian arena and the transfer of deadly weapons to Hezbollah and other terror organizations,” the Israeli government said in an e-mailed statement on Wednesday.
It should be rich listening to the USA, which presently has troops occupying countries all over the world, trying to spin this into Russian aggression. What is particularly interesting is this meeting coming so soon after the first serious defeat of AIPAC in Congress in years. The Soviets and the Israelis were allies in the early years, and I know a lot of Israelis prefer Assad to ISIS and the other Islamist parties.

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114 Comments:

Anonymous John Regan September 18, 2015 10:17 AM  

US media rarely reminds anyone that Syria and Russia have been historically close. How would the US react to a request for assistance from the Saudi Arabian government?

It's about the same thing.

Blogger bob k. mando September 18, 2015 10:21 AM  

so much for the "Putin is the new Hitler" meme.

Anonymous The other robot September 18, 2015 10:22 AM  

Meanwhile, we have terrorists in the USA showing kids how to make briefcase bombs.

Blogger Scott X September 18, 2015 10:23 AM  

Will AIPAC move to Moscow?

Blogger Josh September 18, 2015 10:25 AM  

I wonder if after seeing her "good friend Bibi" meet with Putin, Carly the Warmonger will retract her debate statement about not talking to Putin.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan September 18, 2015 10:25 AM  

Can anyone in the American elite think any more? I feel it was subcontracted to the Israelis, but are they still in the loop?

Rhetoric all the way down

Anonymous smedley butler September 18, 2015 10:31 AM  

I think it would make sense for the Israelis to support the Russian actions against Assad. I always thought it was foolish for the Israelis to support the Saudis in creating what would be a Greater Saudi Arabia with ISIS as the tip of the spear.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan September 18, 2015 10:31 AM  

Weaponsman has some good background info at his site if you scroll down to the training fiasco post from yesterday. Yes this will get worse

Anonymous smedley butler September 18, 2015 10:31 AM  

I meant Russian actions in favor of Assad.

Blogger Alexander September 18, 2015 10:33 AM  

Josh @5

Carly wants you to know that she would never, ever, ever in a million years, if he was the last man on earth, talk with Vladimir Putin.

Especially if he took off his shirt first. Slowly. Sweating just a little bit from having just wrestled a Siberian tiger but not too much because it's very, very cold in the dacha and there's no obvious way to warm up.

Anonymous Mike M. September 18, 2015 10:37 AM  

@10 Alexander:

Of course not. She'd have Secretary of State Trump go make a deal with him. :-)

Blogger Josh September 18, 2015 10:41 AM  

Especially if he took off his shirt first. Slowly. Sweating just a little bit from having just wrestled a Siberian tiger but not too much because it's very, very cold in the dacha and there's no obvious way to warm up.

Dude, don't get Nate or BigGaySteve too excited...

Anonymous Mike M. September 18, 2015 10:42 AM  

On a more serious note, this highlights how very important it is to have a cadre of professionals working national security and foreign policy issues. I don't expect elected officials to have information at their fingertips, but I DO expect them to have first-tier lieutenants who command real expertise.

Both parties, but especially the Democrats, fail this test of competence.

The Russians have wanted control of the Dardanelles for a thousand years. Have had interests in Syria (and Israel) from the creation of those nations. And if the United States is going to leave a vacuum, we have no cause for complaint when Putin steps in.

Blogger Josh September 18, 2015 10:43 AM  

As always, Steve Sailer wrote an excellent analysis of this:

http://takimag.com/article/an_israel_russia_alliance_steve_sailer/print#axzz3m6Lew281

Putin must realize he can’t possibly win an arms race with the American military, much less a narrative race with the American media. He has to lower the temperature on the conservative side of America by reducing the ancient animus felt by American Jews toward anybody acting the czar. The road to conservative American Christian hearts runs through Jerusalem.

In the very long run, Russia’s adoption of the nationalist Zionist cause would likely lead the declining fraction of liberal Israelis to turn toward their enlightened cultural cousins, the natural rivals of the Russians, the richest and the most latently powerful country in Europe, the Germans. When the world went to war exactly 100 years ago, liberal Jews largely sympathized with Germany, the home of their ancestral language Yiddish and their enlightened culture.

Therefore, perhaps, Russia and the Israel nationalist majority will espouse 19th-century Romantic nationalism, while Germany will use late 20th-century European Union postnationalism and their Jewish friends as the mild mask for German domination of Europe.

Anonymous Whitey McWhite September 18, 2015 10:45 AM  

2. bob k. mando: "so much for the "Putin is the new Hitler" meme."

It'll get used again.

Blogger Doom September 18, 2015 10:49 AM  

Some people write satire a bit too well.

World Begs U.S. To Use Military Force in Syria So They Can Bitch About It Later

Technically that may be off-topic. But I think it expresses my view on just about any foreign policy issue. Now, some issuers are more legit than others. With Zero, if it isn't wrong going in, they will bring 'teh fail'(tm) as soon as possible to create the greatest possible pocket of fail. He and his clan are like Midas, only they don't leave gold in their wake, just lots of dead people now and in the future and manure. I just wish more of them had listened to I Touch Myself, and took it literally. Hmm... wait... some of them have. Never mind.

Anonymous Samuel Scott September 18, 2015 10:56 AM  

Israel is supporting both sides of the Syrian conflict, to varying degrees, because you never know who is going to win.

My sense here is that Israel would prefer Assad or a moderate rebel government (though I'm not sure which of the two the government would really rather see). In fact, Israel has been treating moderate-rebel wounded soldiers at border hospitals in an effort to "make friends" in case they win. However, Israel would definitely NOT want an extremist-rebel -- ISIS -- victory.

A few blocks from my apartment in Tel Aviv, someone spray-painted a bus station advertisement. They used red paint to mimic a cut neck. Then, they wrote above the person's head (in English), "ISIS IS COMING."

So. Not. Cool.

Blogger luagha September 18, 2015 10:57 AM  

The Russian Jews who left in the fall of the Soviet Union send a lot of remittances and programming business back home. Putin has made mention of its importance before.

OpenID cglasgow99 September 18, 2015 10:59 AM  

Obama's Middle Eastern foreign policy still continues to pay off in dividends. If by 'dividends' you mean 'advancing to ever-higher levels of fail and suck'.

He's advanced beyond the ability of even Hanlon's Razor to explain. Even the village idiot would eventually get one thing right, by pure luck if nothing else. To fuck it up every single god-damned time in every single god-damned way imaginable requires deliberate effort.

Blogger bob k. mando September 18, 2015 10:59 AM  

15. Whitey McWhite September 18, 2015 10:45 AM
It'll get used again.



of course it will. SJWs never learn and they always double down.

the point is that the rhetorical retort is now pre-fabricated ( love that pun ) for you.

SJW: "Putin is a nationalist and socialist who is primarily concerned with advancing the concerns of his white, Russ people ... JUST LIKE HITLER!"

Puppy: "Hitler formed military alliances with Israel? You're a dumbshit."

Anonymous Steve, The Dark Ninja of Mockery September 18, 2015 11:00 AM  

A few blocks from my apartment in Tel Aviv, someone spray-painted a bus station advertisement. They used red paint to mimic a cut neck. Then, they wrote above the person's head (in English), "ISIS IS COMING."

Fucking hell.

Down with this sort of thing.

Blogger Alexander September 18, 2015 11:02 AM  

Israel is supporting both sides of the Syrian conflict, to varying degrees, because you never know who is going to win.

Is it any wonder you're so hated? And everyone wants to be rid of you.

News flash: when the war's over, people are more likely to remember the fact that you funded the guy killing them, than they are the fact that you helped fund killing the other guy. Nobody looks at grandma's corpse and thinks, 'yeah, but the guy who paid for the hit job also took out a couple of douchebags.'

I mean cripes, by your logic we should have included Germany in the lend-lease. Somehow, I don't think that would have sat well with the Jews. I wouldn't expect much 'well, fair enough - the Americans didn't know who was going to win."

Jews are their own worst PR enemy.

Anonymous Samuel Scott September 18, 2015 11:03 AM  

Just in case you want a picture of how muddled the Middle East has become. Here's the Times of Israel's analyst on the topic:

Connections are being created that seemed utterly impossible just a few months ago. The Egyptians, who were the Saudis’ allies until recently and are working shoulder to shoulder with Israel in the war against terrorism in Sinai, are trying to work with Moscow and Damascus (and, indirectly, with Iran) to assist Bashar Assad — who, in turn, is being threatened by opposition groups that are receiving massive aid from Saudi Arabia. The United States is reaching a deal with Iran and working alongside Turkey, which has become a major enemy of Egypt because of its support for the Muslim Brotherhood. Hamas, the Muslim Brotherhood’s Palestinian branch, has not succeeded in developing close ties with Iran, and was welcomed by the king in Riyadh. Egypt has kidnapped four members of Hamas’s military wing on its soil and is holding them incommunicado.

Anonymous Barack Hussein Obama September 18, 2015 11:05 AM  

"ISIS IS COMING."

Fucking hell.

Down with this sort of thing.


Absolutely.

It's "ISIL", not "ISIS".

Anonymous Samuel Scott September 18, 2015 11:06 AM  

Splitter.

Anonymous Steve, The Dark Ninja of Mockery September 18, 2015 11:06 AM  

Barack Hussein Obama - You lie!

They're called Rainbow Daesh.

OpenID cglasgow99 September 18, 2015 11:07 AM  

@22 -- that's not Jewish politics, that's Middle Eastern politics.

Anonymous Samuel Scott September 18, 2015 11:08 AM  

that's not Jewish politics, that's Middle Eastern politics.

Winner, winner, chicken dinner.

Anonymous George of the Jungle September 18, 2015 11:10 AM  

If the Affirmative Action Pustule were a real President, and he had a real foreign policy, would anybody be able to explain it in 100 words or less?

Alternatively, if the AAP is trying to screw America by simply causing as much chaos as possible everywhere in the world and especially the Middle East, well then he is doing a bangup job. For example that special 'off-camera' conversation with Medvedev (he'll have more flexibility after he gets re-elected..) is certainly working out well.

Blogger Were-Puppy September 18, 2015 11:11 AM  

I can't begin to unravel what is going on over there.
If Russia gets involved in Syria, then let them get mired down in the ME.

This might have been a plan or something. Get US to destabilize a bunch of places, then get Russia to go in and pick up the pieces. Then, in 30-50 years, do the same thing again. Repeat until end of the world.

Anonymous Steve, The Dark Ninja of Mockery September 18, 2015 11:12 AM  

Samuel Scott - Winner, winner, chicken dinner.

Bloody Jews, eating our chicken. >:-(

Blogger The Rev September 18, 2015 11:15 AM  

@31

Winner, winner, kosher dinner is better?

OpenID cglasgow99 September 18, 2015 11:16 AM  

If the Affirmative Action Pustule were a real President, and he had a real foreign policy, would anybody be able to explain it in 100 words or less?

"Some men just want to watch the world burn."?

Blogger Rabbi B September 18, 2015 11:22 AM  

@32 The Rev

Winner, winner, kosher dinner is better?

Always.

Blogger automatthew September 18, 2015 11:25 AM  

Israel is supporting both sides of __________, to varying degrees, because you never know who is going to win.

Blogger bob k. mando September 18, 2015 11:29 AM  

21. Steve, The Dark Ninja of Mockery September 18, 2015 11:00 AM
Fucking hell.
Down with this sort of thing.



how do you know this wasn't done by another Jew, as a warning / rallying cry for Jews to fight against ISIS?

i'm not even going all consipiracy theory here. i mean, can't we be honest about what the Islamic State is and does? haven't you seen propaganda posters ( from any side ) from one of the world wars?

fuck, we could use some billboards like that here in the States.

Anonymous zen0 September 18, 2015 11:33 AM  

The U.S. abandoned the Iraq project to Iran. The U.S. made a Nuke deal with Iran.
Assad is Iran's boy. Hezbollah is in the Iranian fold. Russia has interests in common with Iran. The U.S. will talk with Russia and Assad will stay while a political solution is sought. Iran will be the anchor of the Shiite side of the emerging Caliphate.

Anonymous George of the Jungle September 18, 2015 11:35 AM  

It should be glaringly obvious the best way to make effective war against muslims...

Grease every bullet in pig fat, low-level air spraying of pig's blood over known muslim entrenchments, lob shells filled with pig's entrails onto muslim fortifications, etc., etc., etc.

Now everybody sing:
"Ist das nicht ein schweine blud?
Jah, jah, jah.."
(feel free to add verses as the mood hits you).

Blogger Dexter September 18, 2015 11:36 AM  

If the Affirmative Action Pustule were a real President, and he had a real foreign policy, would anybody be able to explain it in 100 words or less?

It is the same as Iran, Russia, and China's foreign policy:

"Death to America"

Anonymous ZhukovG September 18, 2015 11:40 AM  

My thought is that if Russia commits some of its ground forces to Syria, It will be only in the final defense.

They will probably help the remaining SAA forces form a defensive line in the coastal mountains (ala Pusan Perimeter). The coastal area which is majority Alawite, would then become a final refuge for Syrian Christians.

This would also leave Tartus and Latakia in Russian/Assad Syrian hands.

I doubt seriously if Putin would want to get involved in extensive counter offensive operations against ISIS, but who knows.

Blogger Alexander September 18, 2015 11:42 AM  

@37

Nope.

Muslims don't give a shit. They'll play it up for the western media if someone lobs Bacon at them, but you can fuck, drink, swear, enjoy a BLT while watching a porno... and if you die fighting the infidel, you're golden.

Some imam cries on CNN about the pig blood, and as soon as the camera crew leaves it's a wave of the hand and a couple Mohammed Jihads, and the problem is solved.

There might be times - say, during interrogations - or to humiliate defeated Muslim civilians without proper leadership - where throwing the pig at them would have be useful. But it isn't a literal magic bullet that many western anti-jihadists imagine it is.

Blogger Josh September 18, 2015 11:51 AM  

It is the same as Iran, Russia, and China's foreign policy:

"Death to America"


That's just retarded

Anonymous Steve, The Dark Ninja of Mockery September 18, 2015 11:52 AM  

Bob - how do you know this wasn't done by another Jew, as a warning / rallying cry for Jews to fight against ISIS?

Could be. The situation's fucked, and it's absolute bollocks that women and kids have to see or worry about that sort of shite.

Anonymous George of the Jungle September 18, 2015 11:55 AM  

I now, in the utter depths of my depraved wisdom, propose that the US send enough military forces to carve out an exclusively Christian country on the borders of Jordan-Syria-Lebanon. All Mideast Christians can flee there for refuge and start a new country, armed to the teeth with US and Israeli weapons and associated advisors, and adopting English as the primary unifying language.

Also, and most importantly: No Moslems Ever Allowed Never Until the End of Time.

Blogger VD September 18, 2015 11:56 AM  

He's advanced beyond the ability of even Hanlon's Razor to explain. Even the village idiot would eventually get one thing right, by pure luck if nothing else. To fuck it up every single god-damned time in every single god-damned way imaginable requires deliberate effort.

(laughs) It is impressive. He's made Bush 43's foreign policy look downright competent.

Blogger Danby September 18, 2015 11:58 AM  

I can see the Russians doing as they have done in Ukraine, providing materiel, intelligence, logistical assistance and allowing volunteers from the Russian Army to have a vacation in the beautiful climate of Syria. Maybe suspending their law against mercenaries for Syrian Army volunteers.
I can't see significant troop commitments.

Blogger Josh September 18, 2015 12:01 PM  

(laughs) It is impressive. He's made Bush 43's foreign policy look downright competent.

Hey man, Dubya kept us safe!

Anonymous ZhukovG September 18, 2015 12:07 PM  

Now, Now, George II and Barack Hussein Obama (Peace Be Upon Him), have only done what their, mostly gentile, masters told them to.

OpenID cglasgow99 September 18, 2015 12:09 PM  

@46 -- Aren't there already reports of Russian artillery and at least two T-90 tank platoons in Syria? Photographs on social media and such?

Purportedly they're there just for 'airbase defense', but that would imply that Russia's either sending in combat aircraft, or feels it that necessary to secure the airfield for transports (which would imply a lot of transports, if they're putting in that kind of airfield security).

I disagree with your estimate, and am worried that Putin's decided to actually put a substantial weight of metal into Syria.

Well, we'll find out soon enough. Substantial deployments aren't invisible, that's part of being substantial.

Blogger Salt September 18, 2015 12:09 PM  

Obama can't help offend most everyone, including the Pope, even when he spins it. Our little muslim in the white house bows to foreign potentates and does everything he can to destroy us. I sometimes wonder if he's not purposefully handing it to Putin.

Even Bill Clinton wasn't this bad.

OpenID cglasgow99 September 18, 2015 12:14 PM  

@50 -- its a possibility. Isn't Obama a second-generation red diaper baby?

Blogger tridekka September 18, 2015 12:20 PM  

But it isn't a literal magic bullet that many western anti-jihadists imagine it is.

Though affixing jihadis to crosses with bacon greased nails would be satisfying and would send the message.

Anonymous ZhukovG September 18, 2015 12:22 PM  

@44. George of the Jungle

No Christian, anywhere, with two brain cells to rub together, should trust the USA with his welfare.

Russia is probably much more trustworthy in this regard.

Blogger rycamor September 18, 2015 12:31 PM  

@5. Josh September 18, 2015 10:25 AM
I wonder if after seeing her "good friend Bibi" meet with Putin, Carly the Warmonger will retract her debate statement about not talking to Putin.


Carly would "stand up and arm the Islamic State" and "conduct more aggressive military exercises in the Islamic nations" to "send a very clear message to Vladimir Putin."

Blogger luagha September 18, 2015 12:32 PM  

@40 "I doubt seriously if Putin would want to get involved in extensive counter offensive operations against ISIS, but who knows."

If it got Russia a warm-water port?

One thing's for sure, unlike the idiot US, if Russia sends in troops they're gonna get something out of it in return.

Blogger Josh September 18, 2015 12:34 PM  

Carly would "stand up and arm the Islamic State" and "conduct more aggressive military exercises in the Islamic nations" to "send a very clear message to Vladimir Putin."

After all, they're just very religious and family oriented, no reason why they shouldn't be natural conservatives. Family values don't stop at the Euphrates.

OpenID cglasgow99 September 18, 2015 12:38 PM  

@55 -- Hell, just getting Russia some street cred back would be worth a couple brigades to Putin.

There's also that the last thing Putin needs is ISIS actually becoming a persistent wealth-producing area, because then that's billions of petrodollars they can help out fellow jihadis all around the world with. Like the ones the Russians are having more than enough problems with already in Chechnya and environs.

Y'know, the exact same reason the US should be worried as hell about ISIS, but isn't, because our government is currently led by morons.

But yes, all that plus the idea of "warm-water port" would probably make Putin gladly throw in an army corps if he could afford to deploy and supply one.

Blogger Danby September 18, 2015 12:46 PM  

@49 glasgow
Aren't there already reports of Russian artillery and at least two T-90 tank platoons in Syria? Photographs on social media and such?
yeah, photos of Russians standing n front of Syrian flags, or s of Assad, or at the Russian Naval base in Tartarus. That's obviously proof os Russia sending a dozen tank brigades or an air wing.

I disagree with your estimate, and am worried that Putin's decided to actually put a substantial weight of metal into Syria.

Honest question here, why does that 'worry' you? Are you afraid that Assad might survive our attempts to destroy him? Are you afraid that the country might be pacifgied, with the remaining Christians not murdered? That Russian might gain some legitimacy in the ME while we throw ours away? I don't get what's worrying about it, for anyone who's not a Middle Eastern Moslem.

Anonymous A Visitor September 18, 2015 12:46 PM  

"US media rarely reminds anyone that Syria and Russia have been historically close."

They were a Soviet client state during the Cold War. Remember the Yom Kippur War? There was a good documentary on it or Israel years ago on The History Channel. The Israelis kept shooting down Syrian aircraft and the Soviets told the Syrians they weren't using the MiGs correctly. The Syrians told the Soviet advisors to go up against the Israelis. They did, got shot down, and the Syrians went out drinking that night.

Given that Latakia is their sole warm water port, Putin would be crazy to not want to keep Assad in power. As I've said several times before, I have no lover for Assad. However, between him or Al-Nusra or IS in power, I'll take him. Given things are chilly between us and the Ruskies after the Crimea annexation, but can't we just put that behind us to take on a threat to both our countries (namely IS and Al-Nursa)?

"On a more serious note, this highlights how very important it is to have a cadre of professionals working national security and foreign policy issues."

@13 That's the purpose of the State Department and the IC (both civilian and military). However, when you have a pomopus ass hellbent on destroying the country (and possibly a fair amount of the world) like Dear Leader holding the office of POTUS, career members of the Foreign Circus and IC who have something decent to contribute WILL GET sidelined if it doesn't mesh with Dear Leader's grand strategy.

"Putin must realize he can’t possibly win an arms race with the American military, much less a narrative race with the American media."

@14 If the October revolution never happened and the Whites had won the Russian Civil War, one wonders what U.S.-Russian relations would be like in the present day. I'll take a guess and say they'd be better than now.

"Israel is supporting both sides of the Syrian conflict, to varying degrees, because you never know who is going to win."

@17 Assad or a moderate obviously is better than ISIS or Al-Nusra. The reason Israel is supporting both sides because probably, 10 to 1, they're hoping Assad will triumph but figured a weakened Assad can only be good for them.

"It's 'ISIL', not 'ISIS'."

@24 "...because normal web sites put their full URL in their home page banners (jump to :45 although the whole thing is gold).

"Muslims don't give a shit. They'll play it up for the western media if someone lobs Bacon at them, but you can fuck, drink, swear, enjoy a BLT while watching a porno... and if you die fighting the infidel, you're golden."

@41 True story™! A buddy who did a year in Afghanistan said the local police chief played the Muslim angle up but then told him and his unit, "If you guy want to bring a case of beer to the police station, we can negotiate."

"Isn't Obama a second-generation red diaper baby?"

@50 Let's ask Kevin Costner!

Blogger Cail Corishev September 18, 2015 12:48 PM  

Even the village idiot would eventually get one thing right, by pure luck if nothing else.

That's what Evan Sayet said about Modern Liberals (his term), before anyone had heard of Obama: if they were just stupid, they'd get something right accidentally once in a while. But they're wrong every single time, because they're not all that stupid and it's not an accident.

Blogger JartStar September 18, 2015 12:51 PM  

My theory with Obama's foreign policy is that he'd just assume not get engaged anywhere in the world in any sort of significant manner. He doesn't really like interventionism and would rather not deal with it, but his party has a hawkish side and so he occasionally listens to them, but since his hearts not in it, he half-asses it and causes even more problems.

Blogger David-093 September 18, 2015 12:56 PM  

@56 Josh

"Family values don't stop at the Euphrates."

THEY DO THE RAPES AMERICANS DONT WANT TO DO, DEAL WITH IT, BIGOTS.

OpenID cglasgow99 September 18, 2015 12:58 PM  

@58 -- That Russian might gain some legitimacy in the ME while we throw ours away?

That one. In the short term, anything at all that hampers Islamists obviously has that in its favor.

In the long term, the only thing Russia will do with greater international credibility, influence, or wealth is be a greater asshole with it, and we're probably not going to like that when it happens.

I mean, hey, Stalin helped us kill Hitler, and allying with him was the only move we could make, and nobody is going to seriously say that we shouldn't have. But even all those things being true -- and they are unquestionably true -- still doesn't make the next statement stop being true, which is that the USSR went on to be the single greatest pain in our ass for about the next fifty years.

Still, nothing we can do about Russia and Syria now. The fuckup already done fucked up, and what's happening there is just is the bill coming due for stupidity.

Blogger Danby September 18, 2015 1:00 PM  

OT
Gavin McInnes explains the media reaction to Trump here. Really, you should read it.

Blogger DadOfTen September 18, 2015 1:05 PM  

Is there anything wrong with letting Russia stabilize that region for us? I keep on asking myself why anyone cares if another country besides the USA fixes their problems. Russia? China? India? Tonga? Anyone else is welcome to fix it and let's just leave it all to them.

Anonymous patrick kelly September 18, 2015 1:11 PM  

@1 "How would the US react to a request for assistance from the Saudi Arabian government?"

The historic connections between Moscow and Damascus are much older and deeper. The US is a relatively Johnny come lately.

Anonymous BGS September 18, 2015 1:14 PM  

Dude, don't get Nate or BigGaySteve too excited Putin is in good shape but too old.

ancient animus felt by American Jews toward anybody acting the czar.

I guess Putin learned from the last Czar that dealt with American jews.

The Russian Jews who left in the fall of the Soviet Union send a lot of remittances

Russia was lucky it sent most of its jews to Israel and got money in return.

To fuck it up every single god-damned time in every single god-damned way imaginable requires deliberate effort

Sounds like someone never worked with a black before. You can spend a 1/2 hour per 8 hour shift per black fixing the same easily avoidable mistakes. I have worked with people that seemed to want to do thing the most problematic way possible before.

Israel is supporting both sides of the Syrian conflict, to varying degrees, because its profitable to sell to both sides in war

Samuel Scott - Winner, winner, chicken dinner. Bloody Jews, eating our chicken. >:-(

Isn't this the time of year they swing chickens over their heads to give them the ability to lie to goyim for a year?

Hey man, Dubya kept us safe!

In his reign no healthcare workers or faggots got beheaded in the US.

OpenID cglasgow99 September 18, 2015 1:17 PM  

@65 -- The fact that the jihadis are (by an admittedly tremendous margin) the most immediate and dangerous threat to American interests still does not mean that they are the only threat to American interests, especially if we're talking down the road in addition to the next few years.

Anonymous patrick kelly September 18, 2015 1:17 PM  

@23 Samuel Scott

Do you have a link to any online media I could share? This blog would trigger my intended audience into conniption fits, but something from Israel might get their undivided attention.

OpenID cglasgow99 September 18, 2015 1:21 PM  

@69 -- Google found me the original Times of Israel article to which he was referring. Link here.

Blogger Rabbi B September 18, 2015 1:22 PM  

@67 BGS

In his reign no healthcare workers or faggots got beheaded in the US.

Or thrown off any buildings.

Blogger Josh September 18, 2015 1:24 PM  

Or thrown off any buildings.

Ummmm, WTC Building 7???

Blogger Rabbi B September 18, 2015 1:25 PM  

@72 Josh

What'd I miss??

Anonymous Samuel Scott September 18, 2015 1:33 PM  

Here's the "ISIS is Coming" bus ad prank thing -- I uploaded the photo to my website.

Anonymous Samuel Scott September 18, 2015 1:36 PM  

Isn't this the time of year they swing chickens over their heads to give them the ability to lie to goyim for a year?

Piss off.

Patrick Kelly, see my comment with a link above.

Anonymous patrick kelly September 18, 2015 1:38 PM  

@70 "Google found me the original Times of Israel article to which he was referring"

I also got off my lazy butt and found it, but thanks for looking.

Blogger Skylark Thibedeau September 18, 2015 1:45 PM  

Putin is looking for that warm water port the Czars tried to get for 200 years and were kept out by the Anglo-Saxons: Constantinople. It would be a great coup to return Haggia Sophia to the Orthodox.

Anonymous BGS September 18, 2015 1:50 PM  

@72 Josh Or thrown off any buildings. Ummmm, WTC Building 7???

A healthcare worker in Maine was beheaded by a Somali moslem, there have been other beheadings in the US, and the Boston Marathon Brothers had 3 gay jew next door neighbors that got beheaded on sept 11 2011, but no one was unPC enough to profile. This has been done by moslems imported as refugees since 911, since leftists think having more moslems here would prevent attacks like that, LOL a moslem smart enough to work at the world trade center as something other than a janitor.

Anonymous BGS September 18, 2015 1:54 PM  

@69 This blog would trigger my intended audience into conniption fits, but something from Israel might get their undivided attention.

They would hate a blog that has both a Rabbi and a fagot in agreement about moslems? You could tell them you found a gay guy that doesn't hate Bibi more than moslem savages.

Blogger Marissa September 18, 2015 2:14 PM  

I wonder if after seeing her "good friend Bibi" meet with Putin, Carly the Warmonger will retract her debate statement about not talking to Putin.

No, this woman needs to be president because she'll treat world leaders the way she does when her husband pisses her off: with the silent treatment. Extremely effective!

Anonymous patrick kelly September 18, 2015 2:27 PM  

@79 "They would hate a blog that has both a Rabbi and a fagot in agreement about moslems?"

Heh, yeah, among other things. I think fear is more likely than hate, but they do go together.

Glad you're here. Wish the fag I worked with had your sense of humor, but I suspect he's more lispy and limp wristed than you.

Blogger Gaiseric ! September 18, 2015 2:45 PM  

I mean, hey, Stalin helped us kill Hitler, and allying with him was the only move we could make, and nobody is going to seriously say that we shouldn't have.

You sure about that? I'm not willing to say that Hitler was worse than Stalin. Although I'm not saying we should have backed Hitler against Stalin, I think a lot could be said for not getting involved with either of them, and letting them both beat each other to a pulp before we got did anything. If we did anything at all.

Of course, with our own pseudo-fascist President running the show, we didn't have any choice but to eventually get dragged in, of course. But just imagine what it could have been like if someone more like Coolidge had been President in the late 30s and early 40s instead of Roosevelt?

Blogger Jack Ward September 18, 2015 2:45 PM  

@50 Salt:
I agree with your comments 200%. Well said. Few want to admit that Obama is the ultimate manchurian candidate. He is there for one vision; and, that vision is not the USA surviving in any form we will like. A few years for now, should we not stand strong, the mussies will be proclaiming him one of the heroes of islam and prime mover of the resurgent caliphate.

Blogger luagha September 18, 2015 2:48 PM  

@81 "Wish the fag I worked with had your sense of humor, but I suspect he's more lispy and limp wristed than you."

BGS knows better than to limp-wrist a .45.

OpenID cglasgow99 September 18, 2015 2:55 PM  

@82 -- The problem with that theory is that without US support it isn't 'they beat each other to a pulp and we finish off the remnant', its 'the same job that we faced with the Russians as an ally in our timeline, we now face without the Russians -- only worse'.

Because Stalin's logistical situation, especially early on, sucked wet dogshit without Lend-Lease. The Russians had plenty of teeth but nowhere near enough tail -- it was our trucks and our combat rations that kept the Russians in the game long enough for them to have their Stalingrad and their resurgence. Without that? Hitler wins. He made it close enough to Moscow as it was, give him any more good luck in that department and he's far too likely to take it.

Anonymous BGS September 18, 2015 3:02 PM  

BGS knows better than to limp-wrist a .45

I think my one grandmother can still shoot a mosin nagant. I know I never was an average puff. When I heard a politician say gays paid more than their fair share of taxes & that he would throw money to the arts to make up for it, I wanted my money back.

Blogger Gaiseric ! September 18, 2015 3:02 PM  

That's not what I suggested. I suggest they beat each other to a pulp and then we go on not really caring because it's not our problem.

I also suggesting that the so-called conventional wisdom that Hitler was SO BAD that we had to ally with Stalin (who under any objective measure, unless of course you're a Jew, was at least just as bad if not worse) to beat him is stupid. I'm not quite ready to say we backed the wrong evil dictator here, but I'm certainly saying that there wasn't any reason to back either evil dictator in the first place.

Anonymous Godfrey September 18, 2015 3:07 PM  

The UK and France should never have given a guarantee to Poland. The National Socialists wanted to head east, not west. The UK and France should have just let the National Socialists and Soviets fight it out and then should have picked up the pieces afterward. The UK and France literally pushed the National Socialists and Soviets into an alliance instead. An alliance that was later broken by Hitler.

OpenID cglasgow99 September 18, 2015 3:15 PM  

@87 -- Well, the problem there is that Hitler declared war vs. the United States on December 11, 1941. So "ignore Germany completely" was never an option to begin with.

Now, in the hypothetical alternate timeline where Adolf Hitler had a temporary rush of sanity to the brain and didn't do what he did... well, I could maybe make some guesses, but wild-assed guesses is all they'd be. I won't go into it unless you're actually curious and ask me to because long and off-topic, but the short version is 'Probably less stable and more nuclear than the Cold War in our history was'.

In more current and actually-in-the-real-world news, Instapundit just linked a WSJ article saying that according to US defense officials, the Russians are moving combat aircraft into Syria. Welp, guess that answers the "airfield security" thing we were discussing earlier.

Anonymous Curious September 18, 2015 3:18 PM  

Krauthammer stirring the pot.

Blogger Danby September 18, 2015 3:29 PM  

@87c

But ... but ... but ... but ... 6 millions..... !!!!!!

Anonymous Godfrey September 18, 2015 4:02 PM  

@89

Another of Hitler's mistakes. The USG was all but allied with the UK already. The Anglo-American elites were desperate to get into the war and were desperately trying to provoke a war with Japan to do it.

Blogger YIH September 18, 2015 4:34 PM  

@67 BGS:
Isn't this the time of year they swing chickens over their heads to give them the ability to lie to goyim for a year?
Kapparot is a customary Jewish atonement ritual practiced by some Jews on the eve of Yom Kippur.
Lying to goyim isn't a sin to them, therefore no need to atone for it.
It's for what they do to other jews that are the sins that need to be atoned for.

Anonymous Curious September 18, 2015 4:45 PM  

The Anglo-American elites were desperate to get into the war and were desperately trying to provoke a war with Japan to do it.

You revisionist running dog you! Next you will be telling us that FDR made it easy for the Japanese to attack Pearl.

Anonymous Harry_the_Horrible September 18, 2015 5:32 PM  

I have been an anti-Communist all my life. I think Putin has ambitions of becoming Czar.
But, regarding the Russians in Syria, I find myself forced to say:

Go Russia.
It as to be done.
By someone.
I guess.

Blogger bob k. mando September 18, 2015 8:34 PM  

49. cglasgow99 September 18, 2015 12:09 PM
Aren't there already reports of Russian artillery and at least two T-90 tank platoons in Syria? Photographs on social media and such?



how many times have they tried to run that lie about Russ armor crossing the border into Ukraine? they run that story every 3-4 months, seems like. STILL HASN'T HAPPENED.

and you're still falling for it.

i'll believe there's Russian divisions in Syria when we get pics of Putin standing on top of a mound of camel jockeys.



43. Steve, The Dark Ninja of Mockery September 18, 2015 11:52 AM
it's absolute bollocks that women and kids have to see or worry about that sort of shite.



bullshit.

such sights are 'problematic' for women and children to view only when the sight thereof serves only to remind that their husbands and fathers will do nothing useful to protect them from these animals.

frontier women and children didn't have their delicate sensibilities offended by such sights ... they helped their fathers / husbands fight off the red savage.

or they got raped and scalped.

not necessarily in that order.


this would make a great billboard campaign:

1st board - "You may not have plans for Sharia" superimposed over an image of the Koran

2nd board - "But Sharia has plans for you" over an image of the beach beheadings ( or any other photogenic atrocity these freaks are so proud of )

Blogger VFM bot #188 September 18, 2015 8:45 PM  

Pat Buchanan, incisive as always, has a good column about the Russians in Syria. Bottom line? Putin's right.

http://buchanan.org/blog/putin-friend-or-foe-in-syria-124083

Blogger Thucydides September 18, 2015 8:48 PM  

Everyone seems to forget that ISIS is a creature of the Gulf States, who were very enthusiastic supporters until they realized what a Frankenstein's monster they created. ISIS is a radical Salafi movement, and is/was aimed at engaging and destroying Iranian power by knocking out Syria as an Iranian ally and severing the land bridge between Iran and their Hezbollah proxies in Lebanon. The fact that they are pretty much out of control and are a danger to their Sunni paymasters explains the face palm, but since they can afford to pay for America to neutralize the threat, it is (seemingly) OK for now.

The Syrian civil war was initially caused by the increasing failure of Syrian agriculture to feed the people, with millions of displaced farmers ringing the cities due to drought and a corrupt and ineffectual government unable to mitigate the problems. The various conspiracy theories miss the point that the ME is generally badly run and lacks mature and stable social and political institutions. Stress them enough with demographic growth, economic dislocations or natural disaster and they will crack, leading to things like the Arab Spring or Syrian Civil War. Inept foreign policy by this administration simply made things fail faster and harder

This is why everything is so F****d up. We in the west are trying to intervene on a conflict without knowing (or seemingly caring) who the players are or imagining they are actors with agency and goals of their own that have no relationship to what we might desire. The Western alliance should probably withdraw and let the Russians spend their blood and treasure propping up Syria and Iran. Then they can be the ones sneaking coffins back home, and looking at the endless drain on their balance sheets, and wondering why their so called allies in Iran and Syria are not suitably grateful for the help.

I'm pretty confident that since the overarching goal of the Saudis and Gulf states is to ensure there is no Shiite hegemony over the Middle East (and secondarily to prevent the Turks from regaining influence over the former area of the Ottoman Empire), ISIS will continue to get funds and supplies with or without Western presence, and the Russians will start to discover the Islamic parts of the "Near Beyond" will become increasingly restive and dangerous, even as the Russians try to bend their former European Empire to the Russian will. ISIS fighters will engage Russian troops with abandon since killing godless communists will be just as good as killing "infidels and crusaders", and a real propaganda bonanza for them.

Get out the popcorn, since this promises to be a "dusk to dawn" show.

Blogger Cail Corishev September 18, 2015 8:52 PM  

this would make a great billboard campaign:

Can you imagine how ridiculously easy it would be to sell people on immigration restriction, even repatriation, if the government and/or media of a nation wished to do so?

Blogger Civis Silas September 18, 2015 9:07 PM  

@5

I doubt it. Fiorina's just proving that the following is funny because it's true:

"If women ran the world, there would be no war, but most countries wouldn't be speaking to one another."

Anonymous SS September 18, 2015 9:10 PM  

@99 Cail -

If the government and media wanted it, they wouldn't care if the nation supported it. Just like they don't care what we want now.

Blogger bob k. mando September 18, 2015 9:54 PM  

99. Cail Corishev September 18, 2015 8:52 PM
Can you imagine how ridiculously easy it would be to sell people on immigration restriction, even repatriation, if the government and/or media of a nation wished to do so?



*shrugs*

if i had the money, i'd love to initiate something like this.

i'd also like to find the mosques with terror ties and put up boards with an arrow pointing at the mosque saying "This fine, peaceful establishment brought to you by the same Saudis who funded the 9-11 attack"


it's just as well i don't have the money. because we all know i'd immediately get raked in by the IRS and FBI and all the other alphabet soup agencies.


and yes, this would be easy. the slogans practically write themselves.

except for the SJW faggots that run all the news media ( including Fox ) and government.

Anonymous shadow #0342 September 18, 2015 11:32 PM  

@80

I'd only vote for Carly if she promised on her first day in office to downsize the federal bureaucracy like she downsized HP (as in physical layoffs).

@38

I think the Israelis dropped off a couple of live pigs on a Saudi Arabian radar post once (supposedly at the location of Mount Sinai). And when I say 'dropped', I don't mean the plane landed.

Blogger Were-Puppy September 19, 2015 12:43 AM  

@90 Curious

Putin looks like a lil squirt standing next to Obama. How can that be? lol

Blogger Eric September 19, 2015 1:26 AM  

Sigh. Obama gets rooked again. I sometimes wonder if he ever got to spend his own lunch money in high school.

Anonymous Whitey McWhite September 19, 2015 1:52 AM  

53. ZhukovG: "No Christian, anywhere, with two brain cells to rub together, should trust the USA with his welfare."

Yes.

53. ZhukovG: "Russia is probably much more trustworthy in this regard."

There is good reason to hope so.

Blogger ScuzzaMan September 19, 2015 6:56 AM  

@cglsgow99

Why would you fear that Russia is putting serious metal into Syria? Especially when the objective is to defeat ISIS?

A) why would that concern you at all?

B) isn't it the best thing that Russia actually does what our politicians lie about doing, and destroy ISIS?

Sure they will make as big a mess as we have, but they will also achieve the military objectives, cf. Chechnya.

Blogger Civis Silas September 19, 2015 8:16 AM  

@103
I'd only vote for Carly if she promised on her first day in office to downsize the federal bureaucracy like she downsized HP (as in physical layoffs).

...Just as long as she doesn't try to buy Mexico in order to help pay off the national debt.


@106

People always seem to forget that unlike the U.S., when Russia engages their military in something, they're typically more concerned about objectives than what's best for defense contractors. The results speak for themselves.

OpenID cglasgow99 September 19, 2015 10:25 AM  

@106 -- Please don't confuse 'I wish Russia wasn't in Syria' with 'I'm afraid that Russia ascendant = eventual problems for us later'. I'm only saying one of those two things.

Basically, Russians have not, do not, will not ever do anything for free. Ever. Anything they do is, as people have pointed out, because they expect to somehow make out on it like a bandit.

And at whose expense is that most likely to be?

So, yeah. Basically I'm just grousing 'Hey, congrats Obama. You fucked up so bad that now our only hope is for Russia to do the job where we can't, despite the fact that Russian help is always ass-rapingly expensive.'

Anonymous 11B September 19, 2015 2:12 PM  

I have been an anti-Communist all my life. I think Putin has ambitions of becoming Czar.

@95 - The Czar was the ultimate anti-communist. Recall they murdered him and his family. If Putin wants to become the next Czar, your fears about communism should be muted. On the other hand if he wants to become the next Chairman....

Blogger Shimshon September 19, 2015 2:25 PM  

Sam Scott, you can be sure that the Israeli government doesn't just help the fighters in Syria to score brownie points.

First, what make you so sure they're "moderates?" Do you have any source to back that up? There is virtually no coverage of this that I've read, other than when the Druze in the north lynched one, claiming that Israel was aiding killers of their Syrian Druze brothers (which is possibly even true).

Second, these people are certainly being interrogated for information, of whatever value possible. Most is probably low value, but treat enough of these people and you might very well get some nuggets of very useful intel.

Blogger Shimshon September 19, 2015 2:27 PM  

Also, there are not "two" sides. It sounds like there are AT LEAST four.

Blogger VFM bot #188 September 19, 2015 5:17 PM  

Basically, Russians have not, do not, will not ever do anything for free. Ever. Anything they do is, as people have pointed out, because they expect to somehow make out on it like a bandit.

Even if I accept your premise...so what? Putin is playing a geopolitical game. When you play in that arena, you are making moves for "reasons", presumably those that will benefit you and/or your country and/or your people and/or your culture.

Unlike America.

OpenID cglasgow99 September 19, 2015 6:01 PM  

@113 -- Because the only reason Putin has the opportunity to win in Syria because we've already lost that one. And seeing someone else have the opportunity to profit off of America's stupidity is just a wee bit irritating to the American audience.

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