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Tuesday, September 01, 2015

Rape Rape always lies

George R. R. Martin tries to revise the Hugo Narrative on his Not A Blog because George R. R. Martin is an SJW, and as the book says, SJWs always lie:
The elimination of slates will be a huge step toward the end of hostilities. But there's a second step that's also necessary. One I have touched on many times before. We have to put an end to the name-calling. To the stupid epithets.

I have seen some hopeful signs on that front in some of the Hugo round-ups I've read. Puppies and Puppy sympathizers using terms like Fan (with a capital), or trufan, or anti-Puppy, all of which I am fine with. I am not fine with CHORF, ASP, Puppy-kicker, Morlock, SJW, Social Justice Bully, and some of the other stupid, offensive labels that some Pups (please note, I said SOME) have repeatedly used for describe their opponents since this whole thing began. I am REALLY not fine with the loonies on the Puppy side who find even those insults too mild, and prefer to call us Marxists, Maoists, feminazis, Nazis, Christ-hating Sodomites, and the like. There have been some truly insane analogies coming from the kennels too -- comparisons to World War II, to the Nazi death camps, to ethnic cleansing. Guy, come on, cool down. WE ARE ARGUING ABOUT A LITERARY AWARD THAT BEGAN AS AN OLDSMOBILE HOOD ORNAMENT. Even getting voted below No Award is NOT the same as being put on a train to Auschwitz, and when you type shit like that, well...

I remember being called an asshole by you for pointing out that the Sad Puppies' noms were as legitimate as anyone else's. A LOT of people associated with the SP have been personally insulted by the Haydens and his crowd. I don't see any apologies forthcoming, and I don't expect one from you. And that was after I defended you repeatedly to the Puppies. I still think you're a great writer, but I'm not so sure that you're all that decent a man.
- jordan179

This is the kind of nasty stuff that will make reconciliation impossible. Sweeping statemnts like "a lot of people... have been personally insulted by the Haydens and his crowd" without any specifics or citations makes your assertions suspect from the first. And you can't even get the names of the people you're attacking right. They are the Nielsen-Haydens, not the Haydens.
- grrm
Note that George Martin objects vociferously to his side being called Social Justice Warriors even though it is a name that self-professed SJWs originally gave themselves. Meanwhile, his side calls us "fascists", "Neo-Nazis", "thugs", "sociopaths", "sexist assbags", "gibbering follow monkeys", and "just straight-up assholes", among many other names.

My dear GRRM, your side absolutely and unequivocally started this war of words. We, however, are going to finish it. You are not only dishonest, you are demonstrably wrong. You can't even get the names of the people you're defending right! They are the Nielsen Haydens, not the Nielsen-Haydens.

Those specifics you claimed to want are easily supplied. Almost all of the SJW name-calling long predates any Puppy-related name-calling. The 90 specific quotes provided below range from 2005 to 2015 and are but a few dozen of the hundreds of examples that could be cited.

So, you can take  your lies, George, and to paraphrase Patrick Nielsen Hayden's recent advice to John C. Wright, delivered just last week to the man's wife, stick them up your oversized posterior. You may be rich, but you're not very smart, you're not at all honest, and you're still the same fat rape-obsessed gamma male that you've always been.

You're a liar, George. A proven liar. I may be cruel and I may be arrogant and I may occasionally be mistaken, but unlike you, I am not stupid enough to lie about the past in public.



Teresa Nielsen Hayden

(1) “It's really, really obvious that VD is not acquainted with actual women. I don't just mean sexual relations. I mean he's had little or no social interaction of any sort.” (http://nielsenhayden.com/electrolite/archives/006122.html#76168)
(2) “It's pretty clear that VD fears and dislikes women, and that his gender theories are a back-formation. It seems perfectly appropriate that he's a fan of that patently misogynistic suspected female impersonator, Ann Coulter.” (ibid.)
(3) “a third-rate intellect” (http://nielsenhayden.com/electrolite/archives/006122.html#76250)
(4) “a tad unbalanced” (ibid.)
(5) “a generally unpleasant fellow” (ibid.)
(6) “Given your stated opinions on women, I'd love to see you take on the RWA. Bring a friend so there'll be someone to take charge of the remains.”
(http://www.antipope.org/charlie/blogstatic/2007/11/sfwa_attempts_to_commit_public.html#comment-12114)
(7) “Anybody here in favor of turning Vox Day over to SFWA's female members? I'd pay money to watch.” (ibid.)
(8) “Good heavens. Did you imagine you were worth arguing with? You aren't.”
(http://www.antipope.org/charlie/blogstatic/
2007/11/sfwa_attempts_to_commit_public.html#comment-12155)
(9) “Vox Day's true opinion of women has always been clear to me: he's terrified of them.” (http://www.antipope.org/charlie/blogstatic/
2007/11/sfwa_attempts_to_commit_public.html#comment-12243)
(10) “He is a wuss.” (ibid.)
(11) “You're also a singularly inept sockpuppet, O Bane/Vox/Theeeeeodore.” (ibid.)
(12) “out-of-the-closet racist” (http://nkjemisin.com/2008/09/too-late-for-sf/#comment-119)
(13) “obviously unbalanced” (ibid.)
(14) “been known to put in a good word for the Nazis” (ibid.)
(15) “Vox Day is unbalanced. His SFWA candidacy is a symptom, not a practical
undertaking.” (https://twitter.com/tnielsenhayden/status/323597546125672448)
(16) “I take it you think Cory should instead have taken his arguments to the private SFWA area on SFF Net, a toxic morass where he could have been pointlessly abused at great length by the whole pack of gargoyles: Jerry Pournelle, Andrew Burt, Bud Webster, Will Sanders, et cetera et al.: a stunningly unattractive proposition.”  (See: http://www.antipope.org/charlie/blogstatic/
2007/11/sfwa_attempts_to_commit_public.html#comment-12244)
(17) “I want the Justice Department to declare them a criminal organization and hit them with felony charges. It would not be an excessive response to their actions.” (http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/016177.html#4059966)
(18) “The self-valorizing sociopath contingent seems to be involved.”
(19) “When you invite thugs into your argument, you're not using them as shock troops; they're using you as cover. And you're pretty much guaranteeing that at some point in the future, you'll wind up feebly protesting that you had no idea they'd do that. And maybe you didn't; but you did know they were thugs.”

 Patrick Nielsen Hayden

(1) “The humor of the situation, in my opinion, is the ongoing degradation of the prestige of the once-coveted Nebula Award. Certainly if I were running a literary award that was widely perceived as being increasingly tarnished by arcane rules, unabashed logrolling, and general ridiculousness, my next move would definitely be to recruit me a yawping borderline anti-Semite and woman-hater for the award's jury.”
(2)  “However, the mere fact someone's crackpot notions about Jews or women (or crop circles or ancient astronauts) can be defined as in some way "political" doesn't shield them from mockery. Nor is it impermissible to raise an amused eyebrow when the organization once run by Damon Knight and Poul Anderson is reduced to running on the volunteer efforts of chuckleheads you'd cross the street to avoid. As I've said more than once, I have very mixed feelings. I do in fact approve of my subculture's habitual tolerance for head cases of all sorts. I also periodically feel, after glancing encounters with some of them, like I need to go boil myself in antibiotics.”
(3)“An underreported aspect of being around for a long time: the horror of watching your onceadmired elders turn into blithering nincompoops.” - Patrick Nielsen Hayden (See: https://twitter.com/pnh/status/340787331067940864)
(4)  “Likewise, many people, me included, think that #Gamergate is an association of terrible human beings that we don't want to see joining us.”
(5) “The SP campaign... rises all the way to "downright evil."”

 SFWA President Steven Gould

(1) “Does this mean we can't make fun of Vox Day (Or VD as I like to call him) for his distressing use irrational arguments? Of course we can. It's like finding one of those dishes of leftovers in the back of the refrigerator that is busy creating it's own little ecosystem. You comment on it, you drop it in the trash, and you don't swallow it.” - Steve Gould (See: http://nielsenhayden.com/electrolite/archives/006122.html#75922)

SFWA Vice-President Mary Robinette Kowal

(1) “Dear Twelve Rabid Weasels of SFWA, please shut the fuck up. I know you value your freedom of speech. Good on you. However there are 1788 other members of SFWA who also value their freedom of speech and manage to exercise it without being raging assholes.... Please quit. And by “quit” I mean, please quit SFWA in a huff. Please quit and complaining about how SFWA is censoring you for asking you to stop using hate speech. ” - Mary Robinette Kowal (See:
http://www.maryrobinettekowal.com/journal/dear-twelve-rabid-weasels-of-sfwa-please-shut-thefuck-up/)

And then there is the name-calling machine that is John Scalzi. Of course, this list of name-calling by Mr. Scalzi - which began before I'd ever heard of him - is mostly taken from my response to the SFWA report published in 2013 and is FAR from complete.

SFWA President John Scalzi

(1) “a jackass, and a fairly ignorant jackass at that”
(http://nielsenhayden.com/electrolite/archives/006122.html#75601)
(2) “his political jackassery” (ibid.)
(3) “of all the dumbassery Beale may be rightly accused of” (http://nielsenhayden.com/electrolite/archives/006122.html#75636)
(4) “chucklehead” (ibid.)
(5) “We may also equally and more simply posit that Vox has his head up his ass on this matter” (http://nielsenhayden.com/electrolite/archives/006122.html#75912)
(6) “the lunatic fringe” (http://nielsenhayden.com/electrolite/archives/006122.html#75914)
(7) “the willfully stupid” (ibid.)
(8) “your head is pretty far up your ass” (http://nielsenhayden.com/electrolite/archives/006122.html#75924)
(9) “when I call you the "lunatic fringe" I am discussing your hypoxic opinion” (ibid.)
(10) “I know quite a few devout followers of Christ who would also think you have your head up your ass regarding your opinion” (ibid.)
(11) “I'm also happy to say he's got his head up his ass” (http://nielsenhayden.com/electrolite/archives/006122.html#75933)
(12) “I'm happy to grant that in other subjects, he may not exhibit such profound sphincto-cranial tendencies” (ibid.)
(13) “there's a definite head-ass conjunction on his part” (ibid.)
(14) “a fascinating example of sphincto-cranial interaction” (ibid.)
(15) “You're a "lunatic fringe"... because you hold a position that is clearly intellectually indefensible, yet appear to give it the same weight as fact.” (ibid.)
(16) “You'll just be feeding his persecution complex. Lots of writers are jerkwads.”
(http://nielsenhayden.com/electrolite/archives/006122.html#75941)
(17) “his misogynistic jerk-like tendencies”
(http://nielsenhayden.com/electrolite/archives/006122.html#75945)
(18) “Vox Day... may yet one day regret his sphincto-cranial position” (ibid.)
(19) “His position isn't right or left; it's just stupid and sexist.” (ibid.)
(20) “Nothing he's written here suggests either sophistication or a sense of irony. The question was whether he was a garden-variety jerk or something else entirely. Looks like he's in the "something else" camp.” (http://nielsenhayden.com/electrolite/archives/006122.html#75948)
(21) “To restate: Your thesis is wrong and you lack the rhetorical skills to present your thesis in a coherent fashion. Your latter-day attempt to brush off your sexist and ignorant statement as sarcasm is baldly transparent as backtracking; even if it were true, it shows that your use of such devices is appallingly clumsy. Again one wonders how you got your columnist gig, or, alternately, if anyone bothers to edit you, as you so clearly need.” (http://nielsenhayden.com/electrolite/archives/006122.html#75958)
(22) “you have settled into the "bad writer" excuse for your dumbass and sexist statement.” (ibid.)
(23) “we're back to you having (to put another spin on use my new favorite phrase) a sphincto-cranial event of monumental proportions” (ibid.)
(24) “To massacre Voltaire's sentiment, Vox may have indefensibly stupid opinions, but I for one would fight for the right for him to be an SFWA member with indefensibly stupid opinions. Lord knows he wouldn't be the first, or the last.”
(http://nielsenhayden.com/electrolite/archives/006122.html#76006)
(25) “Poor, deluded Vox.” (http://nielsenhayden.com/electrolite/archives/006122.html#76032)
(26) “Silly Tracina. Expecting a logical argument from Vox. If he couldn't try to change the subject, he wouldn't be able to argue at all.”
(http://nielsenhayden.com/electrolite/archives/006122.html#76034)
(27) “Either Vox meant what he wrote, in which case he deserves his thumping on the grounds he's a sexist pig. Or he didn't mean what he wrote, in which case he deserves a thumping on the grounds he's an unfathomably poor writer. Either way he deserves a thumping, and a thumping is what he's getting.”(http://nielsenhayden.com/electrolite/archives/006122.html#76062)
(28) “Now, run back to your comment monkeys and declare victory, Vox. I'm sure they'll pat down your fur for you.” (ibid.)
(29) “I should check to see if one of the gibbering follow monkeys of that Racist Sexist Homophobic Dipshit who has an adorable mancrush on me has smeared a turd all over one of my comment threads.” (http://whatever.scalzi.com/2013/01/31/troll-report-active-with-increasing-chance-ofstupid/)
(30) “And of course, this is his prerogative; if it makes him feel better about himself and pumps up his social status with his clutch of equally insecure racist sexist homophobic dipshit admirers, then by all means he can spout as much garbage about me as he likes.” (ibid.)
(31) “The pathology of it is pretty standard elementary-school taunting dynamic, which is to call me a name they think is clever (top of the hit parade at the moment is “McRapey,” because the main Racist Sexist Homophobic Dipshit apparently believed this was real, and once it was explained to him what satire was, had to rather embarrassingly suggest he was doing satire too so there, which, again: adorable), followed by generally unimaginative insults regarding my work/position/status, followed by rah-rah plumping for their beloved leader.” (ibid.)
(32) “Also, as a general rule, I’ve been recently avoiding having the primary racist sexist homophobic dipshit’s name in the comment threads, mostly because at this point I just prefer not to have it about, and also because I find “racist sexist homophobic dipshit” is more than adequate at this point in terms of reference. However, to avoid silliness, you may call him by name if you like. I still prefer not have links to his site, however. It’s a hygiene thing.” (http://whatever.scalzi.com/2013/01/31/troll-report-active-with-increasing-chance-ofstupid/#
comment-431974)
(33) “If his existence is validated by this particular post, we should all reflect on what sad and wan existence it is. Beyond that, this, post, once written, obviates the need to have to write anything else about this person (or his follow monkeys) again. So there’s that.” (http://whatever.scalzi.com/2013/01/31/troll-report-active-with-increasing-chance-ofstupid/#comment-432250)
(34) “My language isn’t particularly abusive. He is in fact a racist and a sexist and a homophobe. The dipshit part accurately describes his personality as far as I can tell. If he doesn’t wish to be described as a racist sexist homophobic dipshit, he can work on not being those things. Let’s just say I won’t be holding my breath on that. As for the idea that the psycho-sexual fixation flows the other way: AH HA HA HA HA HAH HA. Dude, if I’m gonna do a man, it ain’t gonna be that pathetic ball of issues. I don’t do pity fucks.” (http://whatever.scalzi.com/2013/01/31/troll-reportactive-with-increasing-chance-of-stupid/#comment-432614)
(35) “No. The racist sexist homophobic dipshit in question most certainly did appear to believe I was actually outing myself as a rapist, and then frantically backtracked when people pointed out his  error, re-establishing that he’s a racist dipshit in the process.” (http://whatever.scalzi.com/2013/01/31/troll-report-active-with-increasing-chance-ofstupid/#comment-432799)
(36) “I mean, I get that the racist sexist homophobic dipshit feels bad about being revealed to be a credulous unsophisticate in front of all his gibbering follow monkeys.” (ibid.)
(37) “Beyond this, the trolls are the gibbering follow monkeys who show up at the site, not the racist sexist homophobic dipshit himself, who at least has the presence of mind to realize he lost his commenting privileges here some time ago and doesn’t darken my door. I’m sure that the racist sexist homophobic dipshit is having a good laugh about the fact I have to deal with the braindead little cretins who detatch from his site and show up here. He’s just the sort of selfaggrandizing
tool to confuse my irritation at having to deal with his play pals with some estimation of his own self-worth. This is what you do when you’re an asshole, as he clearly is.” (http://whatever.scalzi.com/2013/01/31/troll-report-active-with-increasing-chance-ofstupid/#comment-432799)
(38) “@scalzi Christ, this whole thing is crackers, but huge respect for turning it into a positive. Can I email you about it for a journo thing? @davidmbarnett Sure. My e-mail is on my site under "Contact Information" in the sidebar.”
(https://twitter.com/davidmbarnett/status/297830195077988353)
(39) “Troll's comments prompt author to pledge charity donation for every insult. 'Racist Sexist Homophobic Dipshit' will cue rewards for civil rights and LGBT groups by attacking John Scalzi. Heavy troll ... John Scalzi has an unusual defence against his troll.” (http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2013/feb/05/trolls-prompt-author-charity-donation)
(40) “there’s a Racist Sexist Homophobic Dipshit out there on the InterWeebs” (underline indicates a link to: http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Theodore_Beale)
(http://whatever.scalzi.com/2013/02/02/solving-my-racist-sexist-homophobic-dipshit-problem/)
(41) “I don’t want to have to read the Racist Sexist Homophobic Dipshit’s site” (ibid.)
(42) “even if the Racist Sexist Homophobic Dipshit never mentioned me again” (ibid.)
(43) “But believe me, the racist sexist homophobic dipshit in question will know.”
(http://whatever.scalzi.com/2013/02/02/solving-my-racist-sexist-homophobic-dipshitproblem/#comment-433514)
(44) “And there’s nothing passive aggressive about what I’m doing to him now. I’m aggressively using his racist sexist homophobic nature to promote causes he almost certainly hates.” (http://whatever.scalzi.com/2013/02/02/solving-my-racist-sexist-homophobic-dipshitproblem/#comment-433557)
(45)As noted before, there’s very little I could do one way or another that wouldn’t play into his delusions of grandeur and his desire to be seen as opposing me in some way; the fellow has an infinite capacity for “HA HA HA THIS IS GOING EXACTLY AS I PLANNED.” (http://whatever.scalzi.com/2013/02/02/solving-my-racist-sexist-homophobic-dipshitproblem/#
comment-433582)
(46) “This dipshit is going to drag my name through crap no matter whether I ignore him or not.” (http://whatever.scalzi.com/2013/02/02/solving-my-racist-sexist-homophobic-dipshitproblem/#
comment-433675)
(47) “The trolls are the gibbering monkey followers of his that wash up on the site. You should still not feed them. The Racist Sexist Homophobic Dipshit doesn’t troll the site; he does all his nonsense from a distance.”(http://whatever.scalzi.com/2013/02/02/solving-my-racist-sexisthomophobic-dipshit-problem/#comment-433696)
(48) “Of all the things the Racist Sexist Homophobic Dipshit in question is, my “tormenter” is definitely not one of them.” (http://whatever.scalzi.com/2013/02/02/solving-my-racist-sexisthomophobic-dipshit-problem/#comment-433803)
(49) “At this point I’m done pretending to be nice to the dipshit in question.”
(http://whatever.scalzi.com/2013/02/02/solving-my-racist-sexist-homophobic-dipshitproblem/#comment-433808)
(50) “Robert, are you trying to give the fellow a race on the dipshit front, or is that just an unintentional side effect of your bad logic here? I’m not going to dispute that giving the dude a slot was not one of my best ideas, to put it mildly, but that doesn’t change the fact you’re engaging in something akin to victim-blaming. One Big Idea slot given doesn’t mean I should just accept this dipshit’s calumny as my just desserts, and you’re being a bit of a truculent dick to suggest so.” (http://whatever.scalzi.com/2013/02/02/solving-my-racist-sexist-homophobicdipshit-problem/#comment-433888)
(51) “It should be fairly obvious that this is what I am saying about him, and to him. It should likewise be fairly obvious that I don’t give a damn what anyone else thinks as regards the appropriate way to deal with this dipshit.” (http://whatever.scalzi.com/2013/02/02/solving-myracist-sexist-homophobic-dipshit-problem/#comment-434008)
(52) “I’m aware that the Racist Sexist Homophobic Dipshit in question would like me to treat him with any sort of seriousness, and it irritates both him and his gibbering monkey followers that I don’t, I don’t care. I don’t refer to the dipshit by name because it amuses me to call him Racist Sexist Homophobic Dipshit;” (ibid.)
(53) “Obviously, the dipshit is going to do as he pleases.... So let the dipshit max it out; I’ll pay my share gladly.” (http://whatever.scalzi.com/2013/02/02/solving-my-racist-sexist-homophobicdipshit-problem/#comment-434076)
(54) “Aside from the fact that that would be far more effort than I would want to invest in this dipshit, if I recall correctly he lives in Italy, which would make any of that difficult to arrange.”(http://whatever.scalzi.com/2013/02/02/solving-my-racist-sexist-homophobic-dipshitproblem/#comment-434199)
(55) “Once again: I don’t care how the racist, sexist, homophobic dipshit in question responds to it.” (http://whatever.scalzi.com/2013/02/02/solving-my-racist-sexist-homophobic-dipshitproblem/#comment-434479)
(56) “Guys, let’s not try to analyze him here. Dipshittery happens for all sorts of reasons; on this end, we only have to worry about the results.”(http://whatever.scalzi.com/2013/02/02/solving-myracist-sexist-homophobic-dipshit-problem/#comment-434551)
(57) “Deleted because I don't have patience for VD's special brand of complete nonsense on this topic. Stay in your own pit of manstink, would you, Vox? There's a lad – JS” (http://whatever.scalzi.com/2012/08/17/your-second-thought-for-the-day/#comment-353892) (58) “sociopathic assbag” (http://whatever.scalzi.com/2012/08/17/your-second-thought-for-the-day/)
(59) “I’m sure “Waaaaah! Scalzi deleted my comments on his personal site and said I was a sexist assbag!” will prompt a rush of members to demand my removal.” (http://whatever.scalzi.com/2012/08/17/your-second-thought-for-the-day/#comment-353914)
(60) “Too late. VD’s tribe of sexist assbags came in a little late for that.” (ibid.)
(61) “a bigoted shithole of a human being”
(62) “Vox Day is an asshole who likes being an asshole”
(63) “the bigoted shitheel who used the Sad Puppy slate like a parasitic wasp uses the hollowed-out husk of a tarantula”
(64) “Vox Day is a grasping sociopath”

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Anonymous Peter Garstig September 01, 2015 8:08 AM  

They view SJW as an insult now?

They should read some PUA material on holding frame. It's pathetic.

Anonymous Bz September 01, 2015 8:11 AM  

Well, George, you did ask.

Anonymous NorthernHamlet September 01, 2015 8:17 AM  

Damn. You knocked that one out of the park.

OpenID AlbertN September 01, 2015 8:17 AM  

Martin objected to the term Social Justice BULLY. That is a lot different than Social Justice Warrior. You shouldn't accuse others of lying and then make a misleading claim yourself.

Blogger Jim September 01, 2015 8:17 AM  

WE ARE ARGUING ABOUT A LITERARY AWARD THAT BEGAN AS AN OLDSMOBILE HOOD ORNAMENT.

He thinks it's about the Hugo. How cute.

Blogger Jim September 01, 2015 8:19 AM  

Martin objected to the term Social Justice BULLY. That is a lot different than Social Justice Warrior. You shouldn't accuse others of lying and then make a misleading claim yourself.

There are lies, and then there are stupid, stupid lies that are readily disproven by the text right in front of you as you say them, like the one you just made:

"I am not fine with CHORF, ASP, Puppy-kicker, Morlock, SJW, Social Justice Bully,"

Blogger Nate September 01, 2015 8:21 AM  

":I am REALLY not fine with the loonies on the Puppy side who find even those insults too mild, and prefer to call us Marxists, Maoists, feminazis, Nazis, Christ-hating Sodomites, and the like"

...

We Don't Care.

OpenID AlbertN September 01, 2015 8:22 AM  

Jim,

You are right. I take it back.

Blogger Nate Winchester September 01, 2015 8:23 AM  

Meanwhile, his side calls us "fascists", "neo-Nazis", "thugs", "sociopaths", "sexist assbags", "gibbering follow monkeys", and

And....??? and????

don't leave us in suspense!

Blogger Cataline Sergius September 01, 2015 8:24 AM  

The pug nosed, rape loving, goblin king in a stupid hat is defending his delicate fairy light workers. Most of whom weigh in at about 230 lbs, have purple hair and swear like sailors at us.

All three laws of the SJWs are present.

Blogger Bob September 01, 2015 8:25 AM  

I call them the Legion of Sanctimony, myself.

Anonymous 334 September 01, 2015 8:27 AM  

What? No "Best of Irene Gallo and Moshe Feder"?

Blogger Jourdan September 01, 2015 8:31 AM  

I suppose given the vastly empty, brutal and nihilistic "fantasy" world Martin has constructed in his books, the fact that the man is stupid enough to believe his words can change easily-observable reality is not much of a surprise.

I also believe his fame to be of a very temporary nature, much like Robert Jordan's. Like that previous wind-bag and story-stealer, this wind-bag's fans will quickly discover that his tales are much like Oakland: there is no there there.

Anonymous PVB September 01, 2015 8:31 AM  

Burn it to the ground. No quarter!

Blogger James Dixon September 01, 2015 8:32 AM  

> I am not fine with CHORF, ASP, Puppy-kicker, Morlock, SJW, Social Justice Bully, and some of the other stupid, offensive labels

What part of "We don't care" are you having problems with again, George?

> I am REALLY not fine with the loonies on the Puppy side who find even those insults too mild, and prefer to call us Marxists, Maoists, feminazis, Nazis, Christ-hating Sodomites, and the like.

But it's fine when you side does it, isn't it George? When Irene Gallo is collecting unemployment, then maybe we'll listen. Until then, well, we don't care.

Oh, and George, allow me to reiterate Vox's request that you please follow the advice your fellow SJW Patrick Hayden directed to John C. Wright via his wife.

Blogger John Wright September 01, 2015 8:32 AM  

For the record, I never called any of the Morlocks 'Christ Hating Sodomites'. I did call them Christ Haters, for they are, and I did point out that they overwhelmingly encourage and laud sodomy, without ever once considering the hideous damage such encouragement does to the sodomites themselves. They have no compassion for those men afflicted by this terrible temptation.

And, for the record, the only person I ever called a Morlock by name was Damian Walter of the Guardian newspaper, who is not a science fiction writer at all.

Mr Damien Walter of the Guardian newspaper in England I called a Morlock, for so he is, and I registered no objection when he attempted, in his weak and girlish way, to insult me. Turn about is fair play, after all. But Mr Walter, even with the assistance of the Queen’s money, could not write a book to save his life, nor coin a truly ripping insult.

Anyone else who assumes that the epithet applies to him betrays that he himself must think that it does.

I invented the term to refer to those who seek to use Science Fiction as a tool of social engineering and political propaganda long before I had every heard the term 'Social Justice Warrior'.

I coin the term here, in reference to a dispute at that time between Mr Walter and Larry Correia on the proper way (please do not spit out your coffee laughing) to organize one's writing career. Listening to Walter chide Correia is like hearing a hobo telling a Rockefeller how to make money.

http://www.scifiwright.com/2014/04/a-marvel-from-a-d-801702/

Blogger VD September 01, 2015 8:34 AM  

Martin objected to the term Social Justice BULLY. That is a lot different than Social Justice Warrior. You shouldn't accuse others of lying and then make a misleading claim yourself.

Skim until DISQUALIFY. That's new. Look, if you're going to try to snipe around here, better get in the habit of reading the whole thing and all of the links provided before opening your mouth or the same thing will happen next time.

Blogger Nate September 01, 2015 8:37 AM  

ya know I was gonna fisk this idiotic post on my blog... but when I got to the idiot hippy video at the end... I decided not to bother.

Why fisk an inadvertent self-immolation?

Blogger Harsh September 01, 2015 8:39 AM  

"We have to put an end to the name-calling. To the stupid epithets."

"I am REALLY not fine with the loonies on the Puppy side"

So you call for an end to name-calling and then call us loonies. Good job, Georgie. Do you even realize what you're typing, fat man?

There will be no end, George 'I'm milking my one good story idea forever' Martin, until you publicly apologize to Vox and Brad and John and Larry and the Ilk and the Sad Puppies and the Rapid Puppies for all the bullshit you've slung our way and then you shut your fat gob about the whole thing and go back to writing your mediocre rape-fantasy books.

Then and only then will it be over. If we're feeling nice.

Blogger Guitar Man September 01, 2015 8:43 AM  

So SJW and Social Justice Bully triggers the SJWs. I will be sure to refer to the SJW's as bullies from here on out.

Vox never forgets, folks. They'll never learn.

Blogger Tank September 01, 2015 8:43 AM  

I like a good list.

Blogger VD September 01, 2015 8:43 AM  

And....??? and???? don't leave us in suspense!

There were multiple options, but I went with "just straight-up assholes".

Blogger dc.sunsets September 01, 2015 8:44 AM  

I can't get past someone yelling at another man's wife.

In more civilized times, the man doing that would have a Very Brief life expectancy. Some things are just not done by men...and so the person who does so disqualifies himself as a man, much as a criminal who dies on the sword of his intended victim is deemed a suicide in the eyes of God.

The rest of all this is nuance.

Blogger Guitar Man September 01, 2015 8:46 AM  

DC, I think it was another man's wife who did the yelling.

Blogger VD September 01, 2015 8:48 AM  

DC, I think it was another man's wife who did the yelling.

No, it was not. It was Patrick Nielsen Hayden, Senior Editor and Manager of Science Fiction at Tor Books.

Blogger Harsh September 01, 2015 8:48 AM  

They view SJW as an insult now?

Hopefully this puts an end to the idiotic comments along the lines of "I don't like calling them 'warriors', they should be called social justice doofuses".

Blogger Salt September 01, 2015 8:49 AM  

Listening to Walter chide Correia is like hearing a hobo telling a Rockefeller how to make money.

Reminds of the shoe-shine giving stock tips.

Anonymous Rape Rape's brain September 01, 2015 8:49 AM  

Alright, compromise: the puppies stop with the name-calling, and I'll promise to add a super-long scene where Sansa gets raped by a dragon, three ironborn reavers, and an ice giant. A win-win by anyone's book, right!?

Current mood: aroused

Blogger Guitar Man September 01, 2015 8:51 AM  

No, it was not. It was Patrick Nielsen Hayden, Senior Editor and Manager of Science Fiction at Tor Books.

I stand corrected (still recovering from my awesome vacation, and catching up). Wow. PNH lacks respect and manliness. He is deserving of a glove slap.

Blogger dlw September 01, 2015 8:52 AM  

I felt sorry for her... but if he'd done it to my wife, people would still be passing around the video of her cutting him down to size.

Blogger Nate September 01, 2015 8:54 AM  

You know this whole post is just more of the same tired SJW bullshit... isolate and swarm. Look at the way he is trying to bribe Kate... oh if she were to just nominate the right people... we'd like her!

Come Kate! Come join out club! Disavow the evil rabid puppies! You're not like that evil Brad!

Fuck this guy. He's the Fat Bastard of Fantasy.

Anonymous p-dawg September 01, 2015 8:54 AM  

"I am REALLY not fine with the loonies on the Puppy side who find even those insults too mild, and prefer to call us Marxists, Maoists, feminazis, Nazis, Christ-hating Sodomites, and the like"

You know the best way not to get called those things? Don't be them.

Anonymous Nxx September 01, 2015 8:56 AM  

Translation from Rapeish to English:

Please disarm yourselves before our butthurt goes exponential.

Anonymous p-dawg September 01, 2015 8:57 AM  

Oh, I also note that he's free to use pejoratives like "loonies" but *other people* are not supposed to call names. Nice.

Blogger Pravda Zvíťazí September 01, 2015 8:57 AM  

"suspected female impersonator, Ann Coulter"
TRANSPHOBIA!!!!!!
Nielsen Harden must be purged from the Party!!!

Anonymous Gecko September 01, 2015 8:58 AM  

Aah, name-calling. Worst of crimes since Hitler!

GRRM, like PNH, seems to be going even further off the deep end. This Hugo stuff is really screwing with their heads. I suppose this is what cognitive dissonance does to the mind.

Anonymous Rip September 01, 2015 8:58 AM  

@ Guitar Man - I thought you were talking about PNH in the first place. You should have stuck with that.

Blogger Sherwood family September 01, 2015 9:00 AM  

How is it possible for Mr. Martin to not understand that trying to create a permanent authorial overclass on the basis of cultural and political ideology was bound to anger the "underclass" that he and his are attempting to lock out?

But I suppose that doubling down is a hallmark of the SJWs as our inimitable host has pointed out.


Anonymous Henry September 01, 2015 9:02 AM  

HE doesn't have children or an attractive wife.

Lay off of him

Blogger Cataline Sergius September 01, 2015 9:03 AM  

@16

@John C. Wright

Morlock, is the one term of derision I'm not in favor of myself.

I feel Carnivorous Eloi is far more accurate. Show any of them a screwdriver and they would faint in horror.

The Morlocks were go getters, builders and doers. Kind of unevolved, Liked to settle disputes by throwing down on each other. Undoubtedly had their own really loud music no one as refined as an Eloi could tolerate and I'm certain distilled their own whiskey.

Clearly the Morlocks were/will be descended from Scotsmen and Southrons.

The Eloi on the other hand were useless parasites, built nothing, designed nothing and will leave nothing behind.


I'd say they obviously were/will be descended from hipsters and SJWs. Except of course both of those groups are breeding at extinction level.

God is in the details.

OpenID basementhomebrewer September 01, 2015 9:04 AM  

Martin is really saying "Unless you absolutely capitulate to my demands and grovel at my feet there can be no reconciliation"

This whole rant is wonderfully illustrative of they state the SJWs are finding themselves. On the one hand they are seriously fearful of what has been unleashed and they sense their days are numbered. This he must continue to write about this issue. On the other hand he thinks his side wields enough power to scare us into backing down.

Blogger Sherwood family September 01, 2015 9:04 AM  

How is it possible for Mr. Martin to not understand that trying to create a permanent authorial overclass on the basis of cultural and political ideology was bound to anger the "underclass" that he and his are attempting to lock out?

But I suppose that doubling down is a hallmark of the SJWs as our inimitable host has pointed out.


Blogger CJ September 01, 2015 9:05 AM  

I don't know; I still kinda think Japan could've invaded the West Coast.

Blogger VD September 01, 2015 9:06 AM  

HE doesn't have children or an attractive wife. Lay off of him

No. We'll harry the fat old bastard until he dies, then write his rape-rapey epitaph.

Blogger Bill September 01, 2015 9:07 AM  

The SJW's have been SERIOUS aggressors in the culture wars; getting people fired, getting people physically assaulted, getting businesses shut down - and he's whining about being called names? Boy, that's rich.

(Marxists, Maoists, feminazis, - hey, if the shoe fits....)

Blogger Harsh September 01, 2015 9:09 AM  

HE doesn't have children or an attractive wife.

Lay off of him


Go away before you get your feelings hurt.

Anonymous Trimegistus September 01, 2015 9:13 AM  

Now, now. In his own (literally) ham-handed way, Martin is trying to extend an olive branch. He is calling for an end to the snide name-calling, even though he can't prevent himself from doing it even as he decries it.

Use their techniques: triangulate. Respond nicely and favorably to Martin, and then insist that he "distance himself" or "denounce" PNH or even Scalzi for their unprofessional behavior.

Anonymous Michael Maier September 01, 2015 9:20 AM  

I think RapeRape just convinced me to attend in person next year.

Anonymous Roundtine September 01, 2015 9:20 AM  

Not Nazi death camps, but Mao's Cultural Revolution.

Anonymous Quartermaster September 01, 2015 9:23 AM  

@17

He admitted he was wrong. See @8

Blogger Ron September 01, 2015 9:24 AM  

Oh, shit! We haven't seen this level of cataloging since we last past the Miso Event Horizon.

Blogger Dexter September 01, 2015 9:25 AM  

HE doesn't have children or an attractive wife.

I'd pity the woman and children if he did.

Anonymous Tom September 01, 2015 9:29 AM  

I have to say that I would absolutely totally agree with the Toad's #7. That would be a hilarious fight to watch. Would Vox get tired and be overwhelmed before he could finish them all off? Never underestimate the danger posed by the combination of gravity and land whales.

That fight would definitely be a huge pay per view draw.

Anonymous Stingray September 01, 2015 9:32 AM  

HE doesn't have children or an attractive wife.

An attempt at something slightly new. It will be interesting to see how the SJWs change their tactics while still following the basic three rules. They will also attempt to co-opt some of our tactics to appear clever, but it will be so obvious it will be laughable.

Anonymous Thales September 01, 2015 9:33 AM  

GRRM issuing the Call to Civility is a tell-tale sign that, despite their post-Hugo posturing, they've been wounded.

Blogger Travis Landenwitsch September 01, 2015 9:38 AM  

Love or hate the guy you gotta admit he is a good writer. If your not a fan of his books, I would suggest giving some of his short stories a try.

In the end isn't that kinda the point. You can disagree with his views, but still appreciate good writing.

Anonymous Brigadon September 01, 2015 9:39 AM  

Okay, GRRM, We will stop calling the useless pederasts and busybody sodomites you call your fans names like Nazi.
It's kind of an insult to Nazis,

Anonymous MrGreenMan September 01, 2015 9:41 AM  

I remember, back to the good Transformers movie, when I saw it as a young crumb cruncher, I realized that a whole lot would have been better in the universe if, when Megatron started asking for mercy, Optimus Prime had just avoided pontificating and instead proceeded to unload his cannon.

Blogger Jim September 01, 2015 9:42 AM  

Never underestimate the danger posed by the combination of gravity and land whales.

Gravity works both ways. Land whales can barely function at 1G. I doubt they could withstand the strain of their own combined fields.

Blogger Agondonter September 01, 2015 9:43 AM  

"Fuck this guy. He's the Fat Bastard of Fantasy."

This made milk come out of my nose. Well not really, but it would have if I had actually been, you know, drinking milk.

Blogger Positive Dennis September 01, 2015 9:48 AM  

Matthew 5
38 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’[a] 39 But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also. 40 And if anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, hand over your coat as well.

Blogger Elocutioner #0226 September 01, 2015 9:49 AM  

"In the end isn't that kinda the point. You can disagree with his views, but still appreciate good writing."

No. I've got no problems with marxist, communists, nazis, feminists or any of their ilk holding their views. When they say I need to suffer and/or die for disagreeing with them my first step is to stop supporting them.

GRRM has done more than disagree with me. He has slandered me and lied to me and about me. He has insulted authors and artists I like. He is not my friend, he is not a neutral. He will receive no quarter and no quarters from me.

And there are literally thousands/millions of works to choose from for entertainment. He sunk himself to the bottom of the list.

Blogger Zach September 01, 2015 9:53 AM  

When you invite thugs into your argument

Theresa Nielsen Hayden - RACIST.

After all, post-Ferguson we were all lectured to about how "thug" is a racial epithet.

There should be NO PLACE in science fiction for racists, right?

Blogger Cataline Sergius September 01, 2015 9:54 AM  

This call for civility thing on the face of it has all the hallmarks of an Appeal to Amenable Authority.

The problem for Martin is that rightwing SFF no longer has any amenable authorities left to appeal to.

They should have promoted a few token squishes and declared them to be the right and proper right wing of SFF, like New York Times or the WaPo does.

As it is Martin is preaching to an empty choir box. There is no one left on the blue side who isn't actively hostile.

Blogger darkdoc September 01, 2015 9:55 AM  

All the snark-purveyors - Rape.Rape,, SJWcalzi, Bill Maher, Jon Stewart, Patrick Nielsen Hayden, Tor Toad, 3 Name Kowal (what is it with these people and the multiple name games), etc., etc., - can come to the stark realization that snark is bullshite, it no longer matters, it doesn't work, and using it brands you as a Social Justice Wanker. Snark ATTRACTS the VFM like raw meat.

Calling you names has been the merciful, kind way of dealing with you.

No more mercy.

Blogger Travis Landenwitsch September 01, 2015 9:56 AM  

@62

How has he slandered you?

Shouldn't the work speak for itself? Otherwise it brushes too close to the mindset that would vote No Award without reading any of the nominated works.

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer September 01, 2015 9:57 AM  

I, personally, don't care what a bunch of old, fat, pasty white reactionaries that would have enjoyed being in the Red Guard if that had been an option for them call me. I certainly don't care what they think of me. Structural changes in the publishing industry and society are making them irrelevant at an ever increasing pace. And eventually strokes and heart attacks will render them hors de combat.

So call me a neo-nazi or whatever, your time as a gatekeeper is coming to an end.

Blogger IM2L844 September 01, 2015 9:58 AM  

@56

Shut up, Travis.

Anonymous Krul September 01, 2015 9:59 AM  

@47 Trimegistus - "Now, now. In his own (literally) ham-handed way, Martin is trying to extend an olive branch. He is calling for an end to the snide name-calling, even though he can't prevent himself from doing it even as he decries it.

Use their techniques: triangulate. Respond nicely and favorably to Martin, and then insist that he "distance himself" or "denounce" PNH or even Scalzi for their unprofessional behavior."


It wouldn't work. In the first place, he's definitely NOT calling for reconciliation with VD and the Rabids. GRRM calls the former a "troll" and the latter "toxic clowns" in the paragraph before the one quoted.

In the second place, this isn't a call for reconciliation, it's an attempt to isolate Kate Paulk by driving a wedge between her and the Rabids.

In the third place, even if it were an olive branch, why would anyone take it? Do you want "reconciliation" with Rape-Rape and the SJWs? I don't.

Anonymous Satan's Hamster September 01, 2015 9:59 AM  

Oh no! The feelbadz!

Or, maybe, they're not being hailed as Brave Conquering Heroes for burning the Hugos to the ground and laughing about doing so, and now he's in full retreat and trying to pretend to be a 'reasonable' man before the backlash hits.

Take your pick.

Blogger Zaklog the Great September 01, 2015 10:01 AM  

@4 AlbertN, I'm not sure whose side you're on, but Rape Rape objected to "Social Justice Bully" and "SJW", an abbreviation of Social Justice Warrior. If you accuse someone of lying, you'd better be sure they actually are.

Blogger VD September 01, 2015 10:02 AM  

Matthew 5 38 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’[a] 39 But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also. 40 And if anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, hand over your coat as well.

I did that for seven years. They had their chance. Too late now.

Blogger Daniel September 01, 2015 10:02 AM  

SJW Rape Fetishist CHORFS on Lies...aka Tuesday.

Blogger Travis Landenwitsch September 01, 2015 10:02 AM  

@70

He never supported burning the Hugos down. From the moment the No Awarding idea was put forth he wrote against it on his blog.

Blogger Rabbi B September 01, 2015 10:02 AM  

Travis is a banned troll . . . you would best ignore him if you know what's good for you . . .

Blogger Travis Landenwitsch September 01, 2015 10:03 AM  

@75

I am not banned. Vox allowed me to return.

Blogger Rabbi B September 01, 2015 10:04 AM  

@76

Oh, I hadn't heard. Congratulations.

Blogger VD September 01, 2015 10:05 AM  

Shouldn't the work speak for itself?

Stop trying to change the subject, Travis. This isn't about Martin's work, this is about Martin's proven lies.

We can talk about how bad A DANCE WITH DRAGONS is again later.

Blogger VD September 01, 2015 10:05 AM  

Travis is a banned troll . . . you would best ignore him if you know what's good for you.

A reasonable assumption, but he requested reinstatement and I granted his request.

Blogger Rabbi B September 01, 2015 10:07 AM  

"A reasonable assumption, but he requested reinstatement and I granted his request."

You are indeed merciful, O Dark Lord.

Blogger AmyJ September 01, 2015 10:07 AM  

@darkdoc

"what is it with these people and the multiple name games"

It's most likely an attempt to emulate J. R. R. Tolkien; they hate the man and his stories, but even they can't whitewash history to remove his influence on the genre.

Blogger dc.sunsets September 01, 2015 10:07 AM  

I feel Carnivorous Eloi is far more accurate. Show any of them a screwdriver and they would faint in horror.

The Morlocks were go getters, builders and doers. Kind of unevolved, Liked to settle disputes by throwing down on each other. Undoubtedly had their own really loud music no one as refined as an Eloi could tolerate and I'm certain distilled their own whiskey.


I concur. Wells was a man of his times...an intellectual when being so required being an SJW of the moment, AKA a Fabian socialist (or Marxist, both were considered respectable.)

For this reason, he stripped the productive & creative of their beauty and assigned it to the FSA of the day.

I envision a future where the People of Walmart are the unwashed mob, the zombies of the apocalypse colluding with a Machiavellian class to use the political system to cannibalize the beautiful people who build, create, are entrepreneurial and (wisely) try to separate themselves, their clans and fellow creators from the ravenous fiends outside the walls.

The present is increasingly a system of the 99.9th percentile organizing the 0-80th percentiles into a means for both to parasitize the 80th-99.9th percentiles...AKA the productive. It "works" because the latter group has been sucked into its own servitude, but the debt bubble proves it's on life support.

The future must entail either the utter destruction of the 80th-99.9th (and a return to crushing, universal poverty) or else its members must find a way to sustain apart from the armies of zombies herded by the demons of the political arena.

Anonymous Sam Barnes September 01, 2015 10:09 AM  

Fable 439: A Cock and Horses

A Cock was got into a stable, and there he was nesting in the straw among the horses; and still as the fit took 'em, they'd be stamping and flinging, and laying about 'em with their heels. So the cock very gravely admonish'd them; Pray my good friends, let us have a care, says he, that we don't tread upon one another.

The Moral
Unequal conversations are dangerous and inconvenient to the weaker side in many respects, whether it be in regard of quality, fortune, or the like; where the weight of the one, sinks the other: and no matter whether we embark out of vanity or folly; for 'tis hazardous both ways.

Blogger Kaijubushi September 01, 2015 10:11 AM  

@56

I found the first SoIaF books to be good reads. But as I continued on it became apparent that he hates his audience. Nothing but oppressive gloom and rapey rape. If I want to feel shitty about existence I'll go hang out on K street in DC. Reading giant tomes that go nowhere isn't worth it.

Blogger Cail Corishev September 01, 2015 10:12 AM  

They're like a guy in a movie, when the monster is charging at him and his gun runs out of bullets, but he keeps pulling the trigger, click click click click -- until devoured.

These tactics always worked before, why aren't they working now? Click click click click....

Anonymous Eric Ashley September 01, 2015 10:13 AM  

To repeat, PNH called me personally 'intellectually dishonest'. I'm not sure what this means, but I am sure its an insult. I would love to meet him in person, and ask him to explain himself.

Blogger Positive Dennis September 01, 2015 10:15 AM  

I quoted Matthew 5 38 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’[a] 39 But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also. 40 And if anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, hand over your coat as well.

Vox replied :I did that for seven years. They had their chance. Too late now.

Personally I think that Jesus' comments have more to do with protecting one from the harm that comes from responding than protecting the jerks of the world.




Anonymous Elijah Rhodes September 01, 2015 10:16 AM  

I am not fine with CHORF, ASP, Puppy-kicker, Morlock, SJW, Social Justice Bully, and some of the other stupid, offensive labels that some Pups (please note, I said SOME) have repeatedly used for describe their opponents since this whole thing began.

So now, being called an SJW is a stupid, offensive label. This is a profound moment in the culture war. It signifies that the self-label they so proudly proclaimed is now a mark of revulsion. It means the cause of "social justice" itself is being viewed negatively.

This also demonstrates the classic leftist debate tactic of using ad-hoc definitions when the actual definition becomes damning to their position. You see it all the time. The use of the term "racist" is a classic example. Even some dictionaries are finessing their definition in accord with the SJWs preferred one. "How dare you call me an SJW!"... says the SJW who proudly called herself that just moments ago.

We must keep shinning a bright light on these cockroaches, if for no other reason than it provides magnificent entertainment. Excellent work, Vox.

Blogger Travis Landenwitsch September 01, 2015 10:18 AM  

@77

Thanks.

@78

Fair enough, I'll stop. I truly wasn't trying to change the subject, just address what I thought was a facet of it.

Blogger pdwalker September 01, 2015 10:18 AM  

Were the Scalzi quotes cherry picked, or does he seem to have an unhealthy obsession with heads and assholes?

VD, you make reclaiming Western Civilization entertainment.

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 September 01, 2015 10:18 AM  

“It's really, really obvious that VD is not acquainted with actual women. I don't just mean sexual relations. I mean he's had little or no social interaction of any sort."

To be fair to the Toad of Tor, her conception of women is so distorted and insane that Vox probably wouldn't want anything to do with them.

And really, no man really wants to interact with such women on any level beyond just the polite greetings followed by a swift exit.

Blogger Harsh September 01, 2015 10:18 AM  

Try not to sperg all over the place, Travis.

Anonymous Keener September 01, 2015 10:21 AM  

Travis -- no, he's not a good writer. And as for his short stories, his story 'Dark, Dark Were The Tunnels' in Wastelands really sucks. His characters all ponce about emitting the kind of pseudo-Shakesperian dialogue that is so irritating. But he's willing to wallow in rape and guttings and elaborate costumes etc. which guarantees him interest from TV. I couldn't read more than two pages from GOT.

Blogger VD September 01, 2015 10:28 AM  

I think that Jesus' comments have more to do with protecting one from the harm that comes from responding than protecting the jerks of the world.

That's nice. But as I said, I gave them seven years to choose peace. Now I will harry them until they are dead. It will never, ever, end for them, unless they repent and beg forgiveness.

God doesn't forgive the wicked and unrepentant. We shouldn't either.

Blogger Travis Landenwitsch September 01, 2015 10:30 AM  

@84

You might like his short stories if you've never tried them.

@92

It was a bad week. Which is why I asked for reinstatement.

Blogger VD September 01, 2015 10:31 AM  

Were the Scalzi quotes cherry picked, or does he seem to have an unhealthy obsession with heads and assholes?

They were not cherry-picked. I noticed that too.

Anonymous Ras al Ghul September 01, 2015 10:31 AM  

Peter Garstig September 01, 2015 8:08 AM:

"They view SJW as an insult now?

They should read some PUA material on holding frame. It's pathetic."

Its called rebranding. SJW is an insult now, so they change their name as a way to hide their deceit, progressive to liberal and back to progressive.

Positive Dennis:

You are a tool of evil. Evil flourishes when good men do nothing and that is what you are advocating.

Blogger VD September 01, 2015 10:31 AM  

This is a profound moment in the culture war. It signifies that the self-label they so proudly proclaimed is now a mark of revulsion. It means the cause of "social justice" itself is being viewed negatively.

Bingo. All ur hashtag are belong to us.

Blogger Rabbi B September 01, 2015 10:33 AM  

"You're a liar, George. A proven liar. I may be cruel and I may be arrogant and I may occasionally be mistaken, but unlike you, I am not stupid enough to lie about the past in public."

A few more to add to the archive:

"The idea of a Rabid Rabbi boggles my mind somewhat. As a man of god, should you not be urging peace and understanding and acceptance, turning the other cheek, etc?"

"I would think that, being not only a Jew but a Rabbi, you would be in the forefront of those condemning Beale and his hatespeech. You should be demanding apologies from HIM, not from Tor."

"At any rate, though I have no special insider knowledge, I believe I know the folks at Tor well enough to safely say that the Rabids have gotten all the apologies they are ever going to get from Irene, Moshe, Tom, and the Nielsen-Haydens. These are men and women of courage and conviction, and they are not going to submit to internet bullying and threats."

"A distinction really needs to be made here between the Sad Puppies and the Rabids. Even the Sad leaders, Larry Correia and Brad Torgersen, have gone to pains to draw that line. As did Irene Gallo in her comments."

"If you are a Sad Puppy, Rabbi B, you were never called a neo-Nazi."

"If you are a Rabid Puppy, you were... though the apologies, of course, covered that. As I have stated. You do not feel they were sufficient, I know, you've said so."

"Whether or not the Rabids are neo-Nazis, which can be debated, the views of their leader are repugnant in the extreme, and I would think any decent person would want to dissociate himself from them."

"When you talk about "spewing hatred," the Rabids are the spewers-in-chief, not the victims."

"Irene Gallo's remarks -- which, YET AGAIN, she apologized for -- were far less hateful than the stuff that VD blogs almost daily."

"VD has apologized for nothing. In fact, he has often loudly stated "never apologize" as one of his tenets."

"Yes, of course, if you had never associated with the Rabids then you would indeed "have nothing to worry about." Gallo's remarks referred to a specific group, and apply only to members of that group. This seems blindingly obvious to me."

"In any case, I am tired of going around about this. The remark was made, apologies were demanded, apologies were issued. Close the book and move on. That's what we are going to do here."

"And buy some Tor books too. They publish great SF and first-rate fantasy, that's what matters."

It just boggles the mind.

Anonymous Culture War Draftee #151 September 01, 2015 10:37 AM  

<>, GRRM really thinks we're all slack-jawed, drooling imbeciles. "Could [SP4] also include "even" N.K. Jemisin and Rachel Swirsky and Ken Liu and Mary Robinette Kowal? Even better."

He thinks Sad Puppies will be organized so the same clique that's been running things can run that. He thinks we've forgotten already about the lies and smears and deliberate insults. He tosses out something about it's only a hood ornament, casually forgetting we were all called Nazi terrorists who were going to somehow kill them by doxing and swatting if a Puppy got a Hugo award. I get it that he loathes us, but does he really think anybody is that stupid?

Blogger David-093 September 01, 2015 10:38 AM  

Imagine if Rape Rape has a heart attack and dies before he can finish book 7, and Vox gets blamed for it.

Blogger automatthew September 01, 2015 10:44 AM  

Cover your butts, Scalzi is watching.

Anonymous Blaster September 01, 2015 10:45 AM  

I'm curious what did GRRM do to earn his current moniker? I haven't read everything on his notablog but it seems to me like his perspective on the Hugos is similar to wannabe-moderates who are merely blind to most left-wing bias. How do we know he is an SJW and not just one of the gullible victims of SJWism? Is there anything he could do at this point to earn forgiveness? I understand that others are beyond reconciliation, and you've called him Rape Rape enough times that he is not likely to be interested, but I'm still intellectually curious.

Blogger 2Bfree September 01, 2015 10:46 AM  

I just don't get it, would somebody explain to me how Martin saying, "I am REALLY not fine with the loonies on the Puppy side"... calling me names I don't like, while trying to make a case to stop the name calling. Is he trying for satire? It's a completely self defeating to try and get others to stop name calling by calling them "loonies." I don't get it, as either a logical or rhetorical argument it fails. Is he that dense?

Anonymous p-dawg September 01, 2015 10:50 AM  

@102: That's some touching concern you have there.

Anonymous WhiteKnightLeo #0368 September 01, 2015 10:52 AM  

@automatthew Party Foul! Bernard doesn't deserve to be compared to Scalzi.

Anonymous Blaster September 01, 2015 10:52 AM  

Were the Scalzi quotes cherry picked, or does he seem to have an unhealthy obsession with heads and assholes?

VD: They were not cherry-picked. I noticed that too.


Me too, although my impression was more of someone scrounging for creative insults and repeatedly coming up empty. Eventually he subconsciously realizes this and starts substituting multi-syllable synonyms to disguise the repetition.

Blogger Russell (106) September 01, 2015 10:53 AM  

So what if we don't stop calling the badfeels hurtnames? Are they going not buy the Rabid books? Not give out awards? Keep calling us names?

Face it, the nuclear option was used, and it had no effect.

I think some of them are understanding this, hence Martin's weak attempt at appearing like he wants to end the hostilities. The name calling is working against them.

We've got them on the ropes.

Bayonets out and push forward!

Anonymous Blaster September 01, 2015 10:55 AM  

@102 p-dawg:

No concern. The questions I asked are intended to be literal, not rhetorical.

Anonymous rubberducky September 01, 2015 10:55 AM  

What a fool Rape Rape is. I thought him wise but mistaken. No, what a fool. For those who haven't the time to read his post, let me summarize it for you:

"We need to end the hostilities, and return to normalcy. So,

1) Get rid of slates.
2) You will speak as proscribed by us.

Ok? Let's give peace a chance!"

Anonymous Nathan September 01, 2015 10:56 AM  

@102

Rape Rape got his name, in part, from the average of one rape in his fantasy series every 21.4 pages (or so). At 4800 pages for his five books, that's a lot of rape.

Blogger Jim September 01, 2015 10:58 AM  

How do we know he is an SJW and not just one of the gullible victims of SJWism?

Well, from this particular example, the call for civility while simultaneously acting uncivil towards those he disagrees with. SJWs are all about civility for other people.

Anonymous Sheila September 01, 2015 11:02 AM  

#84 Kaijubushi - Same here. I read the first few books of Martin's saga years before the t.v. show, and then lost interest. As you said, descended into a morass of rape and pointless brutality and death. Although my spouse won't read fiction, he did (unfortunately) enjoy the t.v. version, which I found irritatingly noisy while I was in the next room online.

In the meantime, I've found so many other enjoyable writers through Vox and the varied puppies. I've recently finished Correia's Monster Hunter series (what he's written thus far), and besides loving the characters and action and entertainment factors, really am intrigued by where it's going spiritually. Now THAT's good fiction.

Blogger James Dixon September 01, 2015 11:03 AM  

> I am not banned. Vox allowed me to return.

The Dark Lord is indeed merciful. We'll see if it lasts or not.

> Love or hate the guy you gotta admit he is a good writer.

I wouldn't know. I don't bother to read books by people who insult me.

> How has he slandered you?

Answered in the post three below the question (#69).

> Otherwise it brushes too close to the mindset that would vote No Award without reading any of the nominated works.

We didn't set the rules, they did. The rules have now been set, so those are the ones we'll use. You don't like it? Too bad. Maybe you should have convinced them otherwise. We even warned them against it, but they wouldn't listen to us.

Blogger VD September 01, 2015 11:03 AM  

I'm curious what did GRRM do to earn his current moniker? How do we know he is an SJW and not just one of the gullible victims of SJWism? Is there anything he could do at this point to earn forgiveness?

He has the initials R. R. and wrote a ridiculous number of rapes into ASoIaF. We know he is an SJW because he knowingly lies and he has repeatedly tried to isolate me and the Rabids. He could earn forgiveness by publicly apologizing to me, publicly apologizing to the Rabid Puppies, disavowing the SJWs in science fiction, and keeping his nose out of the subject in the future.

As numerous individuals here can testify, I do not hold grudges. Some of my trusted allies are my former opponents. But as long as someone elects to remain a self-professed enemy of me, my friends, my supporters, my allies, and Western civilization, I will be their enemy.

Blogger Student in Blue September 01, 2015 11:07 AM  

@VD
I did that for seven years. They had their chance. Too late now.

It's also a bit ridiculous to try and view that verse by itself (which was what the Devil did when tempting Jesus). How exactly does it square that we shouldn't resist evil, when later we are told "What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?" (Romans 6:1-2) and then urged later to not cause others to stumble?

Obviously we should not answer evil with evil, and lies for lies, eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth, but we should, out of concern for our neighbor's spiritual welfare, do our best to correct them from their sin. Lying over and playing dead has done nothing but embolden them in their sin. Doing nothing has made their sin worse.

Blogger James Dixon September 01, 2015 11:09 AM  

> Is he that dense?

Science would argue no. Fat isn't that dense, and he seems to have an abundance of same.

> We need to end the hostilities, and return to normalcy. So, ... 1) Get rid of slates. ... 2) You will speak as proscribed by us.

That would actually be 1) Get rid of your slates. Our slates are fine

Anonymous Stingray September 01, 2015 11:12 AM  

but it seems to me like his perspective on the Hugos is similar to wannabe-moderates who are merely blind to most left-wing bias.

He is trying to appear this way. It is another of his lies.

Blogger Alexander September 01, 2015 11:12 AM  

B-b-but you see, the difference is the Puppies are Nazis! It's not name calling, it's speaking truth to power! It's different when we do it!

WAR: We Aren't Republicans. We recognize that the faux civility (which as other have pointed out, can't even be maintained without screwing it up in the next paragraph) is nothing more than preparing the battle space.

We aren't swayed by dinner party invitations, promises to be considered for reading lists in future Hugos, or thirty pieces of Doritos.

Anonymous Sam the Man September 01, 2015 11:13 AM  

Great post. I would love to see a fair debate where the SJW types would not be able to reframe the argument every time the other side had them on the ropes.

In any case a quality post which the SJW types will totally ignore, because they cannot answer it.

Anonymous Porky September 01, 2015 11:14 AM  

@31

lol!

The mental of image of RR yelling at Scalzi "GET IN MAH BELLY!"...

Blogger Zaklog the Great September 01, 2015 11:16 AM  

@81 but even they can't whitewash history to remove his [Tolkien's] influence on the genre.

Yet. Don't imagine for a moment they will not continue to try.

Blogger Rabbi B September 01, 2015 11:16 AM  

Doing nothing has made their sin worse."

Yes. We are actually behaving mercifully by standing up to and exposing these fools. We are only trying to get them to consider their latter end and do them good. Should we continue to stand idly by while innocent blood is being shed? I think not.

Blogger Bill September 01, 2015 11:16 AM  

@ 61. Positive Dennis

Matthew 5
38 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’[a] 39 But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also. 40 And if anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, hand over your coat as well.


It just bugs me when that verse is taken out of context, as it almost always is, and as Positive Dennis did here. Read the entire chapter, the point is that many of the OT laws were being abused, such as the "eye for an eye" idea; it had turned into a vengeance culture, instead of using the courts to have equitable treatment before the law. The point of 38-40 is to not have a vengeful attitude, but to embrace the law, as the law is good, fair and just. It's perversions of the law that are the problem (see, for example, the rest of Matthew chapter 5).

And if you take a few minutes to thumb through the rest of the Bible, you'll quickly discover that God has absolutely no problem, zero, zilch, nada problem at all with dispensing justice. And He almost always uses human action to accomplish this. What Matthew 5 is cautioning against is perverting justice into vengeance, but you can also pervert justice into license. And if you do that, then at some point it turns into "let not your eye spare, neither have ye pity; slay utterly the old man, the young man and the virgin, and little children and women..."

Blogger Russell (106) September 01, 2015 11:17 AM  

@118 Alexander thirty pieces of Doritos.

Bravo, sir, bravo.

The Ilk turn a better phrase than Scalzi, without trying, and without his body part obsession.

Blogger Kaijubushi September 01, 2015 11:17 AM  

@112 The TV show is just an excuse to show bewbs and gratuitous violence (or is it gratuitous bewbs and violence?) I never got into it, but reading some of the summaries it looks like they made it even more rapey than the books. That's an accomplishment.

Anonymous Difster September 01, 2015 11:18 AM  

While these lies won't ruin RapeRape's career, they will be a permanent stain on him and as the culture war turns against the SJWs this will certainly catch up with him.

Blogger Elocutioner #0226 September 01, 2015 11:23 AM  

Short and on topic:
http://www.scifiwright.com/2015/09/make-of-this-what-you-will/

Blogger Alexander September 01, 2015 11:26 AM  

From RapeRape comments

What I most wish for this year is explanations from people whose priorities are very different from mine, over in (loosely speaking) the Puppysphere. I want to know why a work moves them, and how; I want to know what they see as weak spots in works they love, and the strong points of works that overall didn't impress them. I want, really, the kind of conversation that I've always taken as definitive of sf fandom - not formal polished criticism (though I like that too), but the exchange of thoughts and feelings about work we love, work we like, work we dislike, and work we don't understand. (Probably we don't really need a whole lot more exchanges about work we hate. Sometimes it's best to move on.)

The Puppies leaders refused pretty much every invitation and request to do that this year. A literal handful of Puppies followers made the attempt at File 770, but had very little to actually say. It was on the level of "I liked the plot twist" and "It made me feel sad in a good way." Those are as good starting points as any, but then they stopped there as if they'd said everything worth saying, leaving the rest of us hanging. Conversely, it was usually excrutiatingly clear in very short order that they hadn't read the overwhelming majority of works not on their slates, and assayed criticism based on incorrect information and selective quoting of Amazon reviews. The typical Puppy clearly knew much less about anything off their slates than a lot of us learned from our own reading about the works on their slates.


That's a neat trick on two fronts.

1. Last year, that's "all they wanted" as well. We were invited to discuss why we liked Opera Vita... and were promptly called racist assholes and liars and disemvoweled/banned etc. for doing so. So when nobody rises to the bait this year, well that's just a sign they didn't really like/didn't read their own slates.

Second, it's a nice putdown. Nobody every asked an SJW to submit a book review of why they liked John Scalzi along with their ballot. It's a disqualification tactic dressed up as civility.

GRRM and his fans can shove it up their assholes.

Anonymous WaterBoy September 01, 2015 11:26 AM  

This is nothing but a delaying tactic. Offer reconciliation to fend off the 2016 slates until EPH, etc, take effect in 2017...while actually returning to the pre-Puppy status quo of SJW-preferred pimpage.

Didn't buy it from Frank Wu, not buying it from GRRM.

Blogger Russell (106) September 01, 2015 11:27 AM  

I still want to know how Martin knew how many awards he needed to hand out well ahead of the actual event.

Smacks of collusion and fraud.

Blogger Alexander September 01, 2015 11:27 AM  

Third, the hilarious ending where he implies that not only did we not read our own nominations, but they did. Hits all three SJW laws in one fell swoop.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan September 01, 2015 11:29 AM  

Thought Police have to go, it seems Rape Rape will go to the ends with that bunch of louses

Blogger Russell (106) September 01, 2015 11:29 AM  

@131 "Third, the hilarious ending where he implies that not only did we not read our own nominations, but they did."

Despite many public statements made them stressing that they didn't read any Puppy related works.

Blogger Travis Landenwitsch September 01, 2015 11:39 AM  

@130

He knew the number of awards he would need, because he knew the number of Puppy only categories.

Anonymous the bandit September 01, 2015 11:39 AM  

Huh. He doesn't list "rapists" and/or "pederasts" in his list of unapproved epithets.

I wonder why.

Blogger Russell (106) September 01, 2015 11:41 AM  

@134 "He knew the number of awards he would need, because he knew the number of Puppy only categories."

Which meant he knew beforehand that the Puppies would be No Awarded.

Blogger VD September 01, 2015 11:42 AM  

He knew the number of awards he would need, because he knew the number of Puppy only categories.

No, he already said that Sasquan told him.

Blogger Travis Landenwitsch September 01, 2015 11:47 AM  

@137

Sasquan told him the full nominee list. He knew before the Worldcon which categories were Puppy only though. So he gave out five awards for those five categories, and then a few others for his own made up reasons.

Anonymous Big Bill September 01, 2015 11:47 AM  

So Coulter is a "patently misogynistic female impersonator", but Bruce Jenner (who still sports and wields a six inch Johnson) is a "woman"?

Hmm.

Waiter! Waiter! Reality check for table 3, please.

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Blogger pdwalker September 01, 2015 11:59 AM  

@106
Me too, although my impression was more of someone scrounging for creative insults and repeatedly coming up empty. Eventually he subconsciously realizes this and starts substituting multi-syllable synonyms to disguise the repetition.

Certainly it shows lack of imagination. Heck, if I were feeling stretched for insults, I'd use variations on "bewbs" because who in their right mind (outside of protologists) wants to think about butt-holes all the time?

Now, if he needs pointers, he should read some of the masterful insults from Mr Wright. Now those are insults so good that I'm tempted to say something stupid just to be professionally flayed in his brilliant fashion.

Blogger Daniel September 01, 2015 12:05 PM  

SJWs Always Die: How Vox Day Mirdered the World Using Only His Thoughts

Anonymous ws1835 (392) September 01, 2015 12:07 PM  

Bravo, Vox!

They continue to perform exactly as you predict, and run exactly as you herd.
What will you have them do for your next trick?

- ws1835

Blogger VD September 01, 2015 12:10 PM  

What will you have them do for your next trick?

They will be frothing mad with outrage before the end of the week. Just a little... prediction.

OpenID basementhomebrewer September 01, 2015 12:24 PM  

@ 144 Is this a hint that you have collected the evidence you alluded to before about the Hugo no award votes and are ready to release it?

Blogger Factory September 01, 2015 12:29 PM  

@72 Vox, i believe if you look up "turn the other cheek" in a Middle Eastern context, you will find the rabids are following Jesus' advice as we speak. It doesnt mean 'walk away from a fight' in that context.

Anonymous Donn #0114 September 01, 2015 12:32 PM  

Lots of skin and sex and I don't remember there being that many gay schlongs just hanging out either.

OpenID basementhomebrewer September 01, 2015 12:40 PM  

Somewhat OT but relevant

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/02/us/same-sex-marriage-kentucky-kim-davis.html?_r=0

The SJWs are pushing their agenda in an area that may blow up in their faces. In that particular Kentucky county I would not be surprised if the local LEO refuse to help enforce the court's decision. I would also venture to guess that there are more than a few locals who will come out to oppose any federal or state level LEO who come to town. The people pushing the issue could go to any other county in Kentucky to get their marriage license but they are trying to force this woman to issue it against her will. This is not going to play out the way they are hoping it will.

Anonymous BGS September 01, 2015 12:45 PM  

If your not a fan of his books, I would suggest giving some of his short stories a try
"If you where raped on a pallet of Doritos by a Dinosaur my love." by GRRM

Cataline Sergius Most of whom weigh in at about 230 lbs

You might have dyslexia, I think you meant 320 lbs.

DC, I think it was another man's wife who did the yelling.

It might be hard to tell if they both wear dresses, but look for the adams apple.

I'd pity the woman and children if he did. He cant even find a gold digger. All she would have to do is order pallets of Doritos every week and she would be a rich widow in no time.


Blogger Danby September 01, 2015 12:47 PM  

I am REALLY not fine with the loonies on the Puppy side who find even those insults too mild, and prefer to call us Marxists, Maoists, feminazis, Nazis, Christ-hating Sodomites, and the like."

Those are not names. Those are descriptions

Anonymous Eric Ashley September 01, 2015 12:49 PM  

GOT....

...He's not going to do that stupid and boring thing is he....yep, he did.

....Exhibitionistic sex with middle aged guy, I think, and fourteen year old virgin....ewww.

Restrain self from throwing book at wall.

Note: I've read SFF for almost every letter from Asimov to Zelazny. There are hundreds of better books than GOT, no, thousands.

Blogger Alexander September 01, 2015 12:57 PM  

He cant even find a gold digger. All she would have to do is order pallets of Doritos every week and she would be a rich widow in no time.

A gold digger thinks twice before jumping into a bed with a man who likes to write about brutally dismembering prostitutes and chopping of penises and raping little girls.

He's not doing himself any favors on other fronts, true - but say what you will a gold digger has to have some knowledge of comparative life expectancy and clearly, even pallets of Doritos don't mitigate the risk of waking up in a sodomy-tilted version of The Hunger Games in RapeRape's basement.

Anonymous Valiant September 01, 2015 1:02 PM  

Heh.

Blogger Chiva September 01, 2015 1:06 PM  

I was going to respond with "I do not care", but actually I do care enough to say:

Get off you fat ass George and do your job. Finish your damn books.

Anonymous Farnswords September 01, 2015 1:18 PM  

I agree with the critiques posted about the Positive Dennis's misuse of Matthew 5, but I would like to add another point that was overlooked.

Jesus dealt very differently with people who commit sins than with people who commit sins and claim the moral high ground. The SJWs are always in the latter camp. Here are a few other verses from Matthew that I think are more apt for this group.

"You shut the door of the kingdom of heaven in men's faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to."

"You hypocrites! You clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of extortion and self-indulgence."

"You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside [perhaps not] but on the inside are full of dead men's bones and everything unclean. In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness."

Even in wrath, God still grieves for his lost children.

"How often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were not willing. Behold, your house is left to you desolate."

They deserve every attack they receive for deceiving people about good and evil.

Anonymous BGS September 01, 2015 1:23 PM  

Scalzi ... does he seem to have an unhealthy obsession with heads and assholes?

You are what you eat.

RR has a heart attack and dies before he can finish book 7, and Vox gets blamed

Hopefully it will happen at an all you can eat buffet or brothel.

@108No concern. The questions I asked are intended to be literal, not rhetorical.

You seriously see no connection between RapeRape and all the rape in his works?

Blogger Tommy Hass September 01, 2015 1:32 PM  

I would pay good money to watch Vox face Johnny Boy in the cage.

Blogger The Aardvark September 01, 2015 1:36 PM  

Gould likes to call you "VD". How pwecious and original!

Anonymous G.RapeRapeM. September 01, 2015 1:41 PM  

We aren't swayed by... thirty pieces of Doritos.

I am going out of town on Thursday, would you consider the offer of that days pallet of Doritos.

Fable 439: A Cock and Horses

I have the most splendid idea for my new book.

how Martin knew how many awards he needed to hand out well ahead of the actual event.

Alas that is simple, all I had to do was buy awards for all categories. You can buy an engraved trophy for less than a pallet of Doritos, brothel visit, hugo vote,or if you go cheap enough an all you can eat buffet admittance.

has a heart attack and dies before he can finish book 7, and Vox gets blamed for it

Ever since one of the vile puppies has said they would drop a pallet of Doritos off at my door with one bag poisoned, I have hired a taste tester to try the first 1/2 a Dorito from each bag. You will not be rid of me that easily.

Blogger Cail Corishev September 01, 2015 1:46 PM  

As numerous individuals here can testify, I do not hold grudges.

It's funny, I was discussing a similar but completely different situation this morning. I said that forgiving someone is the easiest thing in the world when there's real repentance and change. But if you forgive someone who hasn't repented and hasn't asked for it, all you're doing is telling him that he can do whatever he wants to you, and you'll let it pass. Maybe not right away, but eventually you'll cave in.

If anyone's tempted to take GRRM or any other SJW up on one of these kind, "Can't we stop calling each other names, you jerks?" offers, just keep in mind that if you do, he'll be thinking one thing: "Sucker."

Blogger Foster September 01, 2015 1:52 PM  

@103 It makes sense when you realize that a) his real audience is SJWs, b) he's trying to claim the moral high-ground by calling for reconciliation. He doesn't really want reconciliation. Didn't you read 1984? There is no reconciliation for SJWs, only the relentless smashing of a boot into the human face, forever.

Blogger CarpeOro September 01, 2015 1:54 PM  

"Whether or not the Rabids are neo-Nazis, which can be debated, the views of their leader are repugnant in the extreme, and I would think any decent person would want to dissociate himself from them."

A bit of rhetoric that clearly demonstrates he doesn't understand what his opposition is about. As one of the Ilk or Dread Ilk, I have never viewed Vox as my "leader". Even being one of the VFM. I view him more as someone I respect and agree with on a number of issues, and have congruent interests with. For those reasons, and the fact that the SJWs love to use a wide brush and silence all civil discourse, I am supporting his current efforts. The SJWs resemblance to the Bolsheviks (worse than the fascists) means I either stand up or watch all I know and care for be destroyed by them or the masters they serve for they embody all of the worst qualities of mankind.

Blogger Sean September 01, 2015 2:07 PM  

That list of comments is further proof that most of us are playing checkers while he is playing thermo-nuclear warfare.

Amazing.

Blogger John Wright September 01, 2015 2:13 PM  

@ 40. Cataline Sergius

I have heard many people disagree with the use of the term Morlocks to describe SJWs on the grounds that the Morlocks in HG Wells maintained machinery whereas SJWs are effete, rotund, and flabby, and do not work with their hands.

While the point is well taken, please note what I said when I started using this term. At the time I was referring solely to Damien Walter of the Guardian Newspaper:
http://www.scifiwright.com/2014/04/a-marvel-from-a-d-801702/

"It is discovered that H.G. Wells was wrong in his prediction. We need not wait until AD 802701 to see the English devolve into the troglodyte cannibal Morlock and the effete, pampered frail and helpless Eloi too foolish to realize that they are food animals. No, the subhumans in England this day in 2014 combine both the anthropophagic viciousness of the Morlocks and the dainty weakness of the Eloi at one and the same time!"

Since then, the term has evolved. The Morlocks, I prefer to reserve to the inner ring or clergy of the Social Justice Warrior movement, that is, those vicious and vacuous liars who know they are lying and do it anyway, and use the term Eloi to refer to those emptyheaded and emptyhearted sheeplike creatures who follow and repeat and bray and amplify the signal without ever one thinking about the truth or falsehood of what they say.

The difference is slight, but to a lawyer, crucial. The first have the requisite intent to be figurative felons; the second are negligent. To a small degree, the Eloi are victims of the Morlocks, albeit actually the relationship is symbiotic. Each encourages the other.

But it is not the tool use which make the metaphor striking, but the fact that these posthumans are subhuman rather then superhuman.

They live by preying on their fellow men, unable to build or make, albeit perhaps they can maintain for a time the social machinery they inherited, and they dwell in the darkness of the underworld, because they hate the light, for their deeds are evil.

That they are science fiction creatures merely adds a twinge of cleverness to the insult.

Anonymous Nathan September 01, 2015 2:21 PM  

@154

You do realize that, just for that, you're getting another anthology edited by Martin instead.

Blogger SirHamster (#201) September 01, 2015 2:34 PM  

Personally I think that Jesus' comments have more to do with protecting one from the harm that comes from responding than protecting the jerks of the world.

The Beatitudes ended with "Blessed are you when others revile you and persecute you and utter all kinds of evil against you falsely on my account."

Protecting ourselves from harm is a rather low priority.

I also note you snipped half of the examples from that particular teaching.

“You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.’ But I say to you, Do not resist the one who is evil. But if anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. And if anyone would sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. And if anyone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. Give to the one who begs from you, and do not refuse the one who would borrow from you.

Then consider the context of what immediately followed:

“You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven. For he makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust. For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? And if you greet only your brothers, what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same? You therefore must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

All of the "you've heard it said, now I tell you ..." points are building towards that last point - the purpose of the laws is not about following them to the letter; it is to imitate the perfection of the Lawgiver, who is Good regardless of the wickedness of men.

Sometimes that perfection means generously going over and beyond what is required by the law to demonstrate our will to do good without or even despite coercion.

As for this conflict? There is no law against telling the truth and correcting lies. If and when we get to the point where the SJWs can harm no others with their lies - that too is good.

Blogger John Wright September 01, 2015 2:43 PM  

"There is no reconciliation for SJWs, only the relentless smashing of a boot into the human face, forever."

I think of it as a limp-wristed and liver spotted hand wagging a finger as if in scold in a bored human face forever.

Our self appointed foes are really, really pathetic, and many of them are on medication.

Blogger SirHamster (#201) September 01, 2015 2:45 PM  

A bit of rhetoric that clearly demonstrates he doesn't understand what his opposition is about. As one of the Ilk or Dread Ilk, I have never viewed Vox as my "leader". Even being one of the VFM. I view him more as someone I respect and agree with on a number of issues, and have congruent interests with. For those reasons, and the fact that the SJWs love to use a wide brush and silence all civil discourse, I am supporting his current efforts. The SJWs resemblance to the Bolsheviks (worse than the fascists) means I either stand up or watch all I know and care for be destroyed by them or the masters they serve for they embody all of the worst qualities of mankind.

The VFMs are in the business of destroying SJWs. Vox commands our services because he serves that Dark Cause.

Were Vox to defect to the cause of SJW-dom, the VFMs would turn tooth and claw against him and devour him as mercilessly as any other rabbit of the Warren.

Even the Dark Lord in His Terrible Majesty is but a servant to our Hunger for SJW bones.

Soon.

Blogger Danby September 01, 2015 3:36 PM  

@SirHamster
Soon.
Winter is coming

Anonymous A.B. Prosper September 01, 2015 3:39 PM  

I always took Matthew 5:38 to mean give them another chance but one only.

OK, I took the first one and the second and i'm all out of cheeks .

Or what I am told is the Chinese variation "Even a repentant man can make the same mistake again

Now more on topic, Leftists usually don't learn anything no matter how many times they make the same mistakes.

They seem to be unable to understand the patience, reluctance to go to war and forbearance shown them by the Right is weakness

Maybe if more of them understood actual conflict, not social posturing, they's understand but I doubt it.

Its sad really GRR has real talent so does Charlies Stross its just like the rest of the Eloi is if you'll forgive argot, stuck on stupid.

Blogger Rabbi B September 01, 2015 3:42 PM  

@169 and @170

All times are soon.

Blogger Pseudotsuga September 01, 2015 3:42 PM  

This "reconciliation" movement reminds me a lot of this scene from Firefly's "The Train Job":

[blockquote] EXT. SERENITY - NIGHT

CROW is on his knees, hands tied behind his back

MAL--
Now this is all the money Niska gave us in advance. You bring it back to him, tell him the job didn't work out.
(Crow spits)
We're not thieves--but we are thieves. Point is we're not takin' what's his. Now we'll stay out of his way the best we can from here on in. You explain that that's best for everyone, okay?

CROW stands.
CROW--
Keep the money. Use it to buy a funeral. It doesn't matter where you go, or how far you fly. I will hunt you down, and the last thing you see will be my blade.

MAL--
Darn.

MAL kicks CROW into the engine intakes. Horrible crunching sounds happen. A second one of Niska's henchmen is brought bound before him.

MAL--
Now this is all the money Niska gave us in advance...

HENCHMAN--
Oh, I'm good. I speak for everyone. I'm right there with you. [/blockquote]

If the TFQ (TruFanClique) truly wanted reconciliation, there wouldn't be the record number of No Awards given (whether they themselves voted that or encouraged others to vote that way or repeated the narrative about why to vote that way).
But no, they just want to be kicked into the engine....

Blogger Danby September 01, 2015 4:00 PM  

Well, I tried to commentthere, but LJ requires a GooglePlus profile, which I won't create,
Here's what I would have posted:
So Kate has announced she will conduct SP IV in exactly the same manner Brad conducted SP III, and you hope something will be different?

Really, that's exactly what Brad did last year. He presented a recommended list, and asked people to nominate if they liked the books, or to nominate a different book if they liked it better.

But Brad is evilly evil racist misogynist hater. I forgot.

Still it could all be different, if the anti-puppy side doesn't freak out again. Which won't happen. Seems they just can't help themselves. Which is why VD plays them like a keyboard.

BTW, calling somebody "loony" while asking them to refrain from name calling is kinda dissonant.

Blogger Carl Philipp September 01, 2015 4:05 PM  

@170
Is that a reference to the Stark family motto in Game of Thrones?
Cute, but why'd you change it to "winter" specifically? The original, "Rape is coming," was good enough, I thought.

Anonymous Ain September 01, 2015 4:21 PM  

Rape Rape: "I am not fine with CHORF, ASP, Puppy-kicker, Morlock, SJW, Social Justice Bully, and some of the other stupid, offensive labels"

Zero fucks given.

Blogger Dago September 01, 2015 4:33 PM  

Nate, he's too gamma to be a bastard, but I hear you man.

Blogger HalibetLector September 01, 2015 4:52 PM  

@168 Our self appointed foes are really, really pathetic, and many of them are on medication.

Which leads me to question: if they're so pathetic, how did they get so much power? Not just in SF&F, but in public schools, higher academia, corporate america, hollywood and journalism. Their despicable kind are rooted in positions of power at every single major cultural institution in this country. Surely, they didn't manage that all by themselves.

One step at a time, though. SF&F makes a great practice grounds because the stakes are comparatively low.

OpenID cglasgow99 September 01, 2015 5:05 PM  

They got so much power because for a long while, people refused to believe that they existed. Even a weak foe can destroy you if your guard is completely down.

I've been a suspicious conservative for all my life, and railing against 'the liberal media complex' for most of my life, and I /still/ didn't clue in until just the past couple of years that SJWs existed. That they really were that insane, that lost to reality, that incapable of being engaged with on any remotely rational grounds. That there existed large organized bodies of people that were not merely opposed, not merely wrong, but entirely detached from reality and willing and able to lie, defame, and gaslight people until they lost their grip on objective reality as well. That 'Orwellian' wasn't just a figure of speech anymore. That they really were not going to stop until we all loved Big Brother, even if they had to make the entire damn Internet into Room 101.

Hell, I /still/ feel silly typing all that out, despite the fact that I /know/ its true.

But, the beautiful thing about your enemies relying upon their audience's ignorance of their true nature as their most powerful weapon, their only shield?

Ignorance is curable.

Blogger Lovekraft September 01, 2015 5:10 PM  

I would include myself proudly among the company of the puppies and ilk, having interacted with the progressive cultural marxists. To be despised by their kind would be a badge of honour in this day and age. A mark of distinction that shows one have prevailed against the pc thought police.

Blogger Ed Hering September 01, 2015 5:25 PM  

The thing about ASoIaF is, it's repeating the same pattern that WILD CARDS did. Anyone remember that? The first series was twelve volumes long, and it started off pretty good, but by about the sixth or seventh book it turned into an awful mishmash. It's not a coincidence that it petered out around volume 12 with all the stories unresolved.

...though "dude doing buttsex with corpse for information" should have been a clue that this series is going to suck, and as I recall that happened in the first or second book. I was 19; what did I know?

Blogger SciVo September 01, 2015 5:36 PM  

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Blogger SciVo September 01, 2015 5:49 PM  

@ Blaster: "I'm curious what did GRRM do to earn his current moniker?"

At the same time that he was playing the false moderate with blog posts and comments full of double standards, goalpost moving, and outright lies, the TV show had a fan favorite subjected to an uncomfortably exhibitionist wedding night.

Some SJWs then went through the books and TV episodes, counting every conceivable nonconsensual sex act -- knowing them, probably using the "affirmative consent" standard -- and who are we to question his political allies' assertion that his works are chock full of rape?

Funny thing is, if he hadn't been such a douche, he might've had some allies against that politically-correct lynch mob. Funnier still, he doesn't seem to have learned the lesson...

Blogger SciVo September 01, 2015 6:02 PM  

SirHamster (#201): "And if anyone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles."

That is a reference to a Roman law requiring them to carry a soldier's gear for up to a certain distance on demand. It was practical advice for a people who were effectively a nation of slaves, that they were not Moses, and could not get away with whipping an overseer. Don't read too much into it.

Blogger bob k. mando September 01, 2015 6:16 PM  

158. Tommy Hass September 01, 2015 1:32 PM
I would pay good money to watch Vox face Johnny Boy in the cage.



McRapey is one of the few males ( i'll not call him a man ), who is shorter than Vox. also, out of shape, allergic to his lawn and can't lift as much as his own daughter.

so don't expect any fight between the two of them to go beyond Scalzi cowering in the corner offering blowjobs if only Vox won't beat him.

Blogger ray September 01, 2015 6:27 PM  

WE ARE ARGUING ABOUT A LITERARY AWARD THAT BEGAN AS AN OLDSMOBILE HOOD ORNAMENT.


Liar. All-in-caps liar, sure punk, scream your transparent manipulation out! Like a six-year-old; just screech louder.

What's under contention, as this overgrown boy knows, is the takeover of almost all U.S. culture by self-serving PC totalitarians. It's been going on for forty years. The issue concerning the Hugos is only emblematic.

There will be no 'reconciliation' with selfishness, thuggism, petty vengeance, power-mongering, and greed. There is nothing to reconcile, by George! no more than one reconciles with the cancer growing in a body, or the snake thrusting at your ankles. You don't negotiate with serpents and you don't ask them for anything.

Blogger Danby September 01, 2015 6:47 PM  

"WE ARE ARGUING ABOUT A LITERARY AWARD THAT BEGAN AS AN OLDSMOBILE HOOD ORNAMENT."
--RapeRape

WE ARE FIGHTING OVER A ROCKY COLD BEACH IN NORTHERN FRANCE. WHAT'S WITH THE AERIAL BOMBARDMENT AND PARATROOPS? YOU DON'T EVEN WANT TO VACATION THERE.
--Erwin Rommel

Anonymous Shut up rabbit September 01, 2015 6:50 PM  

@4 AlbertN
Fuck off now like the good little weasel-bitch you are, you hemorrhoid in human form.

OpenID cglasgow99 September 01, 2015 6:52 PM  

The source material for that Song of Ice and Fire rape count is available here, with itemized list. They look to be using the conventional definition of rape, not the SJW version.

http://tafkarfanfic.tumblr.com/post/119770640640/rape-in-asoiaf-vs-game-of-thrones-a-statistical

That really is a /remarkable/ amount of rape when you add it all up, isn't it?

Blogger SirHamster (#201) September 01, 2015 7:01 PM  

That is a reference to a Roman law requiring them to carry a soldier's gear for up to a certain distance on demand. It was practical advice for a people who were effectively a nation of slaves, that they were not Moses, and could not get away with whipping an overseer. Don't read too much into it.

They were legally required to go 1 mile.

Now, go 2 miles, because you want to be more righteous than the Pharisees so as to enter the kingdom of heaven, and you want to be perfect like your heavenly Father is perfect.

If I'm not supposed to take anything from it ...

"Go 1 mile, because you are legally required to do 1 mile, but do no more than what the letter of the law requires."

But, that's not what was said, was it?

Blogger VD September 01, 2015 7:04 PM  

McRapey is one of the few males ( i'll not call him a man ), who is shorter than Vox. also, out of shape, allergic to his lawn and can't lift as much as his own daughter.

If I couldn't knock him out or incapacitate him in less than 10 seconds, I'd be shocked. I'm 5'9", 185, and I was known for being one of the hardest hitters in the dojo.

Blogger VD September 01, 2015 7:15 PM  

Now, go 2 miles, because you want to be more righteous than the Pharisees so as to enter the kingdom of heaven, and you want to be perfect like your heavenly Father is perfect.

You'll note that it says nothing about going until you drop.

Blogger SirHamster (#201) September 01, 2015 8:21 PM  

You'll note that it says nothing about going until you drop.

Wasn't suggesting it. My point was that it's about being good.

There's no law that you have to be patient with lying SJWs for a day, let alone 7 years. That was good. Destroying their lies and tearing down their places of power? Also good.

Blogger L. Jagi Lamplighter Wright September 01, 2015 8:47 PM  

It is interesting to see others take up John's habit of calling the Nielsen-Hayden's by the name the Haydens.

Blogger L. Jagi Lamplighter Wright September 01, 2015 8:53 PM  

It is interesting to see others take up John's habit of calling the Nielsen-Hayden's by the name the Haydens.

Anonymous Mr.A is Mr.A September 01, 2015 9:07 PM  

@116. Student in Blue, @167. SirHamster (#201)

@VD
I did that for seven years. They had their chance. Too late now.

My interpretation of "turn the other cheek" has been relative to the time of the events. A man often struck another with the right hand rather than the left in the cultures of the New Testament. Striking with the back of the hand was what a superior normally did to an inferior, while an equal would be struck with the open palm. To turn the other cheek after getting the back of a hand was an offer to strike again, but the statement is that you will be striking an equal not an inferior. To turn the other cheek after being struck with an open hand was a statement to the striker "so, you consider me your inferior". Neither case is necessarily a pacifistic gesture on the part of the receiver.

One interpretation I read of the "carry for a mile" law was that to carry the burden for another mile put the soldier in violation of that law. Would that create angst in the soldier and prompt him to take his goods back from the bearer forcibly between mile 1 and mile 2?

Definitely open to discussion on my unsourced/undocumented interpretations.

Blogger Danby September 01, 2015 9:07 PM  

It is interesting to see others take up John's habit of calling the Nielsen-Hayden's by the name the Haydens.

That's because we're not a Spanish or Mexican society, where the surname is an indicator of the fiefdom and, in the landed classes, it is customary to add the wife's titles to the husbands so that names can be passed down to offspring. Actually, sometimes different surnames are handed down to different offspring, depending on which estates each inherits.

Instead we are a Germanic/Celtic society, where the surname indicates the familial allegiance and ties, and names are only combined when a man marries into a much more powerful house, to better indicate "don't mess with me, i have the Lancasters (Ui Neill, MacDonald, etc) to back me up."

Anonymous BGS September 01, 2015 9:42 PM  

I must yield to @153 Alexander's extensive knowledge of gold digging women.

@178if they're so pathetic, how did they get so much power?

“It does not take wolves to destroy our civilisation, a plague of rabbits will do just as well.” Jean Raspail

Blogger SirHamster (#201) September 01, 2015 9:43 PM  

One interpretation I read of the "carry for a mile" law was that to carry the burden for another mile put the soldier in violation of that law. Would that create angst in the soldier and prompt him to take his goods back from the bearer forcibly between mile 1 and mile 2?

Definitely open to discussion on my unsourced/undocumented interpretations.


Have heard that one, and it's an intriguing thought. But I don't see how to square it in context with the beggars, borrowers, or the wicked that God's sun shines upon.

I think the comparison to God's provision of sun and rain is particularly important. Life does not exist without the heat/light of the sun, or water. God gives it generously to all, including the wicked - who have no life without God's grace.

That our good deeds are placed in the same category - what if our good acts are needed in the same way by other men - as essential to their life as sunlight and water? We are after all, to be salt and light to the world.

In that perspective, it would be great if the good deeds trigger the conscience of the recipient - but that's not the point - they need it regardless.

"Blessed are you when others revile you and persecute you and utter all kinds of evil against you falsely on my account."

Blogger James Dixon September 01, 2015 9:56 PM  

> ...and you want to be perfect like your heavenly Father is perfect.

Our minister at the time, who knows both Latin and Greek, had a sermon where he discussed this passage. He said that "perfect" in that verse was a poor translation, and that something like "suitable for the task at hand" was more what was intended.

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