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Tuesday, September 01, 2015

Russia reinforces Syria

As if the Middle East wasn't already enough of a powder keg: The Russians are showing up in force:
While military direct intervention by US, Turkish, and Gulf forces over Syrian soil escalates with every passing day, even as Islamic State forces capture increasingly more sovereign territory, in the central part of the country, the Nusra Front dominant in the northwestern region province of Idlib and the official "rebel" forces in close proximity to Damascus, the biggest question on everyone's lips has been one: would Putin abandon his protege, Syria's president Assad, to western "liberators" in the process ceding control over Syrian territory which for years had been a Russian national interest as it prevented the passage of regional pipelines from Qatar and Saudi Arabia into Europe, in the process eliminating Gazprom's - and Russia's - influence over the continent.

As recently as a month ago, the surprising answer appeared to be an unexpected "yes", as we described in detail in "The End Draws Near For Syria's Assad As Putin's Patience "Wears Thin." Which would make no sense: why would Putin abdicate a carefully cultivated relationship, one which served both sides (Russia exported weapons, provides military support, and in exchange got a right of first and only refusal on any traversing pipelines through Syria) for years, just to take a gamble on an unknown future when the only aggressor was a jihadist spinoff which had been created as byproduct of US intervention in the region with the specific intention of achieving precisely this outcome: overthrowing Assad (see "Secret Pentagon Report Reveals US "Created" ISIS As A "Tool" To Overthrow Syria's President Assad").

As it turns out, it may all have been just a ruse. Because as Ynet reports, not only has Putin not turned his back on Assad, or Syria, but the Russian reinforcements are well on their way. Reinforcements for what? Why to fight the evil Islamic jihadists from ISIS of course, the same artificially created group of bogeyman that the US, Turkey, and Saudis are all all fighting. In fact, this may be the first world war in which everyone is "fighting" an opponent that everyone knows is a proxy for something else.

According to Ynet, Russian fighter pilots are expected to begin arriving in Syria in the coming days, and will fly their Russian air force fighter jets and attack helicopters against ISIS and rebel-aligned targets within the failing state.

And just like the US and Turkish air forces are supposedly in the region to "eradicate the ISIS threat", there can't be any possible complaints that Russia has also decided to take its fight to the jihadists - even if it is doing so from the territory of what the real goal of US and Turkish intervention is - Syria. After all, it is a free for all against ISIS, right?

From Ynet:

    According to Western diplomats, a Russian expeditionary force has already arrived in Syria and set up camp in an Assad-controlled airbase. The base is said to be in area surrounding Damascus, and will serve, for all intents and purposes, as a Russian forward operating base.

    In the coming weeks thousands of Russian military personnel are set to touch down in Syria, including advisors, instructors, logistics personnel, technical personnel, members of the aerial protection division, and the pilots who will operate the aircraft.


The Israeli outlet needless adds that while the current makeup of the Russian expeditionary force is still unknown, "there is no doubt that Russian pilots flying combat missions in Syrian skies will definitely change the existing dynamics in the Middle East."

Why certainly: because in one move Putin, who until this moment had been curiously non-commital over Syria's various internal and exteranl wars, just made the one move the puts everyone else in check: with Russian forces in Damascus implicitly supporting and guarding Assad, the western plan instantly falls apart.
I think this demonstrates why the US coup in Ukraine was a grand strategic disaster. Putin now knows beyond any shadow of a doubt that the USA isn't afraid to go after his backyard, which means that sitting tight is riskier for Russia than taking aggressive action. So, he's not going to shy away from destabilizing actions, and he can do considerably more than interfere with the West's plan to overthrow Syria under the guise of fighting ISIS.

I wouldn't be surprised if Putin started sending serious arms to the Mexican drug cartels and relaunching the Soviet Union's policy of funding revolutionary movements around the world. Thanks to the EU's insane immigration policies, he could even turn the USA's mujahideen strategy on its head and sow chaos throughout Western Europe if he wanted.

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Blogger Doom September 01, 2015 4:19 AM  

With him on Syria (at this point), against him on Ukraine. Good to see they aren't completely crippled over their. But then again, I would guess they aren't doing this out of the goodness of their hearts, either. All good. Just enjoying some of the ride. It is more interesting that watching paint dry or Zero think.

Anonymous Red September 01, 2015 4:36 AM  

Why did he wait so long? Should have done this years ago.

Blogger VD September 01, 2015 4:50 AM  

Why did he wait so long?

He didn't know it was necessary until Ukraine. Also, letting Syrians flood Europe keeps them occupied and off his back.

Anonymous Whitey McWhite September 01, 2015 4:58 AM  

May Russia be victorious.

Blogger Peter September 01, 2015 5:07 AM  

This is going to be very interesting from a geostrategic point of view. Consider:

1. Israel is working with Jordan to fight ISIS in Syria and Iraq (including giving weapons to Jordan, possibly paid for by Saudi Arabia).

2. Both Israel and Jordan are cosying up to Saudi Arabia, which is increasingly focusing on the Iranian threat to the exclusion of all others: and in the Middle East, as always, "the enemy of my enemy is my friend". Israel is no longer the boogeyman in Riyadh. In addition, one of the Saudi's objectives in launching an oil price war earlier this year is to punish Russia for its support of Iran - the Saudi foreign minister made open statements in that regard.

3. Iran is effectively running the show in Iraq, Lebanon and Gaza. Israel regards it as its major enemy, particularly because of its nuclear program.

4. Saudi Arabia and the Gulf states regard Iran and Iranian-sponsored terrorism as their main enemy.

5. Iran is Assad's main supporter in Syria.

6. Iran is cosying up to Russia to buy nuclear reactors, AA missiles, etc.

7. Suddenly Russia is supporting Assad militarily in Syria, alongside Iran.

Israel would probably prefer to have a stable Assad-run Syria rather than an unstable ISIS-run Syria: but it wants Iran out of the way, particularly in Lebanon and Gaza. Is there a quid pro quo going on here? Will Israel tolerate Iranian/Russian influence in Syria (important to both countries) in exchange for a free hand in Lebanon and Gaza? Not unlikely at all, from where I'm sitting, because Russia doesn't want Israel to feel threatened enough to launch (probably nuclear) strikes against Iran (which Netanyahu is more than capable of doing, if he feels threatened enough).

What does this mean for Iran's adventurism in Yemen and around the Gulf? With Saudi Arabia having explicitly targeted Russia in the oil price war for its support of Iran, the Russians feel no need to placate or mollify Riyadh. Will we now see Arab anti-Iranian sentiment ratchet up a notch? Will it be a Russo-Iranian-Syrian axis versus a Saudi-Gulf states axis?

And where will the USA be in all this? MIA . . . stumbling around in Ukraine and conspicuous by its absence almost everywhere else, unless and until Obama is replaced by someone with a pair.

It's going to get very interesting over the next few months . . .

Blogger JACIII September 01, 2015 5:09 AM  

Still waiting for Obama to call Putin a racist, homophobic shithead so he will run away from the feelbadz.

Blogger Remo - Vile Faceless Minion #99 September 01, 2015 5:11 AM  

If Mexico goes Russian maybe we'll get a Red Dawn. Not the crappy remake with N. Korea but the good one with the great jingoistic themes and better acting.

Blogger Shimshon September 01, 2015 5:16 AM  

@5 Peter

You forgot

8. Saudi Arabia has now initiated an invasion of Yemen.

Anonymous Bz September 01, 2015 5:20 AM  

Putin has a weaker hand to play, but he is a formidable diplomatic player, while the US for all their strengths appears to lack any common sense.

So instead of a generous big ally, Ukraine is at best getting debt write downs when the fiscal situation starts to spiral out of control. They are now one more IMF debtor at its mercy. Along with various shady dealings and shady international figures turning up to run things -- national corruption exchanged for international corruption -- a lot of Ukrainians might regret switching sides by now.

And for what? As it seems, it all originated in a fit of US bureaucrat pique after being blocked from destroying Syria.

I'm fond of how Libya was handled as well. Backstab the dictator who has held everything together and got rid of his nukes to normalize relations ... then run away from the resulting bloody mess, and leave Europe with a gaping hole flooding with 'refugees'. Gosh, thanks.

Anonymous -_..__.._:_: September 01, 2015 5:24 AM  

Thanks to the EU's insane immigration policies, he could even turn the USA's mujahideen strategy on its head and sow chaos throughout Western Europe if he wanted.
I don't chaos is intention in Western Europe. Would fare better for him to make those countries allies, by funding democratic national parties. Once they are national instead of European it is easier to bring some of the far eastern countries back into Russia.

Blogger chris September 01, 2015 5:53 AM  

Putin is not responsible for the incoherence and cowardice of the West. That has to be sheeted home to Obama, Merkel and whoever is running France this week.

Putin is a good player of realpolitik.

Part of me wonders if this is Russia becoming Magog. The other part of me is thinking Spetnaz 300 ISIS 0.

Blogger FALPhil September 01, 2015 6:27 AM  

@1 Doom wrote:With him on Syria (at this point), against him on Ukraine.

If you are against him on Ukraine, you (a) have no understanding of geopolitics, and (b) are tacitly approving of the USA destabilizing a legitimate, democratically elected government. I don't understand this position because to take it indicates falling for US State Department propaganda.

@5 Peter wrote: And where will the USA be in all this? MIA . . . stumbling around in Ukraine and conspicuous by its absence almost everywhere else, unless and until Obama is replaced by someone with a pair.

Wrong. We don't need somebody else with a pair. We need somebody who will reign in the US military-industrial complex and remove the US from the constant state of war, which is draining our resources and distracting us from adressing our own real problems at home. In other words, the US needs to start minding its own fucking business.

@9 Bz wrote: I'm fond of how Libya was handled as well. Backstab the dictator who has held everything together and got rid of his nukes to normalize relations ... then run away from the resulting bloody mess, and leave Europe with a gaping hole flooding with 'refugees'. Gosh, thanks.

Thanks for making my point. And Europe is solely responsible for its migration woes. It is a European problem which requires a European solution and the US needs to stay out of it (the US should have stayed out of Libya too). Plus, the US needs to quit participating in the refugee resettlement program, which exacerbates our own migration problems.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan September 01, 2015 6:49 AM  

4GW Russia is a center of order while "our" country encourages disorder and IMO is itself slipping into a center of chaos. We literally have a Black Panther/Jim Jones cult leader for a president.

I wonder if the Russians put any stock in 4GW theory?

Blogger JP September 01, 2015 7:06 AM  

I wonder if the Russians put any stock in 4GW theory?

Their lapdogs in Africa (South Africa, Angola et al) seemed to be pretty good at it. And knowing africans, they didn't come up with it by themselves.

Blogger Jack Ward September 01, 2015 7:17 AM  

Reminds me a bit of the novel Victoria [which I do need to re-read].

In this case, odd as it may seem, what with Obama obviously a manchurian candidate, traitorous to the USA and very much intent on that there new caliphate, here come Russia in effect trying to pull America's bacon out of the fire before its too late. How? Attack Isis, destabilize and hope enough of our politicians and we, ourselves, come to our senses and leave off trying to manipulate the world scene, especially where Mother Russia is concerned.
I try never to forget, even if my representatives in Washington seem to have, that my countries greatest enemy, short of the god of this world, is sitting in the oval office.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan September 01, 2015 7:20 AM  

When the Russians are squeezed to support the State they get an effective autocrat, when Americans are squeezed to support the State we get Black Lives Matter, the TSA and a bunch of hormonal women pretending to statecraft, advantage Russia.

But on the other hand we 'Murkans will be protected by the new superfighter the F-35 Thunderjug which will smite all enemies foreign and domestic.

Blogger Nate September 01, 2015 7:22 AM  

It's pretty bad when the chess vs checkers analogy is insufficient. This is more like chess vs bingo.

Anonymous ZhukovG September 01, 2015 7:23 AM  

I am pleased that Russia feels able to support Assad. The logistics will be difficult, since Turkey's cooperation, or at least indifference, would be almost a requirement.

Assad is an Alawite, an odd sect of Shia Islam that has long been friendly to Christians. Fortunately for the Russians the Alawite stronghold is the coastal area of Syria.

I understand also that Syrian and Lebanese Christians are now fighting side by side with Hezbollah in southern Syria.

I have made no secret of the fact that I support Russia. She seems to be, however imperfectly, the current stronghold of what passes for Christendom in these benighted days.

Anonymous Tom September 01, 2015 7:23 AM  

I like the Russians in "Victoria" better. When do we get those?

Anonymous ZhukovG September 01, 2015 7:34 AM  

@19. I like the Russians in "Victoria" better. When do we get those?

When Tsar Vladimir the Great is crowned. Seriously, I doubt Putin or the Russian people are keen to bring back the Tsar. Russia has a lot of Soviet baggage yet to discard and it takes time. Particularly when the West is trying its best to subjugate you.

And of course the threat of our new F-35 'Flying Adobe', must surely give them pause. Hence why they are desperately trying to get their pathetic Sukhoi T-50 PAK FA operational. heehee.

Anonymous Clay September 01, 2015 7:55 AM  

Red September 01, 2015 4:36 AM
Why did he wait so long? Should have done this years ago.


It's my understanding Russia is in the serious mode of rebuilding their naval fleet...especially those ships assigned to the Black Sea Fleet.

Didn't they just make a big deal about Pooti-Poo going down in the Black Sea in a mini-sub?

I doubt Obama can even swim.

Blogger Nate September 01, 2015 7:56 AM  

"I wonder if the Russians put any stock in 4GW theory?"

A case could be made that they invented it. Ya think its a coincidence that it was the primary strategy employed by every commie coup in south america and asia?

Blogger Laguna Beach Fogey September 01, 2015 8:00 AM  

Happy to see Russia finally stepping in.

The refugee "crisis" is a manufactured event designed to propel waves of migrants into Europe.

Blogger dc.sunsets September 01, 2015 8:30 AM  

Whenever I read about the geopolitical game of Risk (tm) being played, I always recall that none of the grand strategists among Russia, the UK, France, Astro-Hungary or the USA imagined what was to follow from their games 110 years ago. They got a whole lot of their countrymen killed in short order, and set in motion events that led to the deaths of over 100 million humans as the Marxist pandemic spread like a Zombie Apocalypse. Unimaginable horrors arise from seemingly small seeds.

No one in 1905 could imagine the coming conflagration. Who among our demonic rulers (and they're ALL demons) can imagine what even a "limited" nuclear war might resemble?

A nuclear catastrophe requires only three ingredients: nuclear weapons, rulers of nation-states that have them and time. We have the first two, making the last one simply a clock whose alarm is set for an unknown period.

Blogger JaimeInTexas September 01, 2015 8:44 AM  

#7 The movie starts with Mexico-Russia taking over California.
Nevada, New Mexico and Texas move to defend the border with Mexico. Other western States move to defend the border with California. We all begin sending the SJW to California, while the Mexicans-Russians try to send us the Californians and not allowing our expelled in. Then, all heck breaks loose, Texas secede and we all live happily ever after.

Anonymous John Smallberries September 01, 2015 9:11 AM  

Considering the USAF is (was?) conducting airstrikes in Syria, this might bring them into conflict with VVS. Wars have triggered over less.

Anonymous cheddarman September 01, 2015 9:35 AM  

If Russia stabilizes Syria, it will ingratiate them to the nationalists in Europe. Putin will have shut down one of the major sources of illegal immigrants flooding into Europe. It could start pulling Europe out of Nato and American domination and into some sort of mutually beneficial cooperation with Russia on the world stage.

Anonymous Quartermaster September 01, 2015 9:39 AM  

@12

I see little evidence that the US had much to say about the overthrow of Yanukovich. He was a corrupt weasel and backing away from Europe and turning to Putin's new version of the Soviet Union was a watershed event. The evidence strongly suggests it was Russian agents doing to the sniping at the Maidan. Putin lost that round and has tried to make it up by seizing Crimea and is having to engage in some brutality against the population to hold on to it.

It is not surprising that the troubles in the Donbas broke out as that was Yanukovich's stronghold. Nor is it a surprise that Putin has sent in "volunteers" to fight with the separatists.

Thinking the US State Department would have much ability to foment what happened at the Maidan is attributing a lot to a FedGov agency that has a problem planning a one car funeral.

Blogger Rabbi B September 01, 2015 10:00 AM  

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Blogger Rabbi B September 01, 2015 10:01 AM  

"The base is said to be in area surrounding Damascus, and will serve, for all intents and purposes, as a Russian forward operating base . . .Why certainly: because in one move Putin, who until this moment had been curiously non-commital over Syria's various internal and external wars, just made the one move the puts everyone else in check: with Russian forces in Damascus implicitly supporting and guarding Assad, the western plan instantly falls apart."

"As it turns out, it may all have been just a ruse. Because as Ynet reports, not only has Putin not turned his back on Assad, or Syria, but the Russian reinforcements are well on their way. Reinforcements for what?"

A prophecy against Damascus:

“See, Damascus will no longer be a city
but will become a heap of ruins.

The cities of Aroer will be deserted
and left to flocks, which will lie down,
with no one to make them afraid.

The fortified city will disappear from Ephraim,
and royal power from Damascus;
the remnant of Aram will be
like the glory of the Israelites,”
declares the Lord Almighty.

(Isaiah 17)

Concerning Damascus:

“Hamath and Arpad are dismayed,
for they have heard bad news.
They are disheartened,
troubled like the restless sea.

Damascus has become feeble,
she has turned to flee
and panic has gripped her;
anguish and pain have seized her,
pain like that of a woman in labor.

Why has the city of renown not been abandoned,
the town in which I delight?

Surely, her young men will fall in the streets;
all her soldiers will be silenced in that day,”
declares the Lord Almighty.

“I will set fire to the walls of Damascus;
it will consume the fortresses of Ben-Hadad.”

(Jeremiah 49)

What will be most interesting is if we are witnesses to something most unique in history. If Damascus ceases to be a city, it may indeed be time to lift up our eyes and consider that our redemption draws nigh.

Bo Mashiach!

Anonymous Porky September 01, 2015 10:04 AM  

Headline News: Miley flashes nip at the VMA's.

Anonymous Clay September 01, 2015 10:16 AM  

I just knew somebody would have to bring God into this thread.

Talk strategy, Rabbi Schmulley

Whatcha gonna do about it? Cry to the US to save your asses again?

Or, let go with your nukes.

And, no, I have nothing against Jews. I wish you all the best.

But, I'm tired of wiping your asses with billion dollar greenbacks.

Blogger Rabbi B September 01, 2015 10:42 AM  

"I just knew somebody would have to bring God into this thread."

Events in history may very well be converging to exactly where G-d said they would and those of us who take Him and His Word seriously are admonished to be watchful and faithful. Nothing may come of this Russian mobilization in connection with the Scripture I posted, but was just an observation to consider.

"Whatcha gonna do about it? Cry to the US to save your asses again?"

I hope not. The only One Who is truly equipped to save our asses is the G-d I brought into this thread. I long to see my brethren turn back to Him once again.







Blogger dc.sunsets September 01, 2015 10:53 AM  

People keep talking about Israel nuking Iran (or someone, anyone....)

Has no one read anything on the moral component of war? Israel employs the best PR money can buy to maintain the public perception that it is David to the rest of the Mideast's Goliath.

This doesn't play all that well in Israel, hence there is a significant counter-current of Israelis who are not happy with the Iron Fist approach. They are right there, they know the PR is nothing but.

If the time comes that Israel nukes Iran (or Choice B), unless Jerusalem is already a smoking crater the rulers of Israel will have immediately and permanently aligned their regime with history's most vile tyrannies.

The "moral high ground" was maintained by the USA only because nuking Japan came after a "surprise" attack, the Bataan Death March and armed conflict of extraordinary horror. It also helped that full color video of the aftermath remains Top Secret, and that the bombs used were small by today's standards.

Israel will nuke no one. If its rulers choose to do so, it will insure that the nation-state of Israel will lose 100% of world support, and more importantly it would lose the moral support and consent of Israeli citizens. There is no more certain way to see the end of Israel as a nation-state. This is the only logical conclusion after reading and understanding Martin van Creveld's work.

Anonymous George of the Jungle September 01, 2015 11:21 AM  

All these effing moslem splinter groups are fighting each other in Syria. Meanwhile, radiocarbon dating on the world's oldest koran indicates that it was created at the same time a mohammed supposedly lived. This is significant, because the moslems insist that the koran was put together as a book well after mohammed died. That's also why the hadiths had to be surreptitiously slipped into islam by the slimy imams, in order to shift emphasis away from the shaky etymology of the koran and toward the prophet's (piss be upon him) miserable life.

Once again, reality proves that islam is an evil scam that has little to do with religion and most to do with totalitarian power.

Anonymous 11B September 01, 2015 11:40 AM  

Thinking the US State Department would have much ability to foment what happened at the Maidan is attributing a lot to a FedGov agency that has a problem planning a one car funeral.

Don't underestimate the FedGov. They've managed to make the USA demographically unrecognizable to the Founding Fathers. I am sure throwing around a little money in the Ukraine to support this group against that group is not really much of chore.

Blogger RobertT September 01, 2015 11:46 AM  

As we abandon our solid base in the Middle East, Russia is building their's. This is their foothold in the region. From here they build.

Anonymous BGS September 01, 2015 12:00 PM  

@1 Doom-With him on Syria (at this point), with Soros on Ukraine

strategy on its head and sow chaos throughout Western Europe if he wanted

He could rearm Europeans, AK47s not just for blacks & moslems in Europe anymore.

Pooti-Poo going down in the Black Sea in a mini-sub?I doubt Obama can even swim.

Obama has a history of going down in Chicago bathhouses for old white guys.

USAF is ... in Syria, ... into conflict with VVS. Wars have triggered over less.

I doubt Putin would let a USS Liberty event go unpunished.

Anonymous patrick kelly September 01, 2015 12:12 PM  

Why would anyone be surprised? Russia has roots into Syria centuries old. Like others note, they have practiced 4GW for a while now, and have more of a long march mindset than the ADHD west......

Anonymous BGS September 01, 2015 12:18 PM  

I see little evidence that the US had much to say about the overthrow of Yanukovich

I guess lamestream news didn't report the recorded US ambassador's call supporting Soro's coup. https://www.lewrockwell.com/2015/01/no_author/the-lying-new-york-times/ Yanukovich was massively elected and Eastern Ukraine is pro Russian. The 33 tons of gold went where? Joe Biden's cocaine snorting son was given power over the nationalized petrol reserves.

Anonymous ZhukovG September 01, 2015 12:43 PM  

@28.

If you did not see the USA's hand in the Ukraine coup, then you were not paying attention. As for Russian snipers, I have seen no such evidence, further the Russians had nothing to gain by committing such an atrocity. However, those who wanted Yanukovich out of the way certainly did.

Crimea, a region that is 60% ethnic Russian and only 20% ethnic Ukrainian, seceded from Ukraine and then the people unsurprisingly voted to rejoin Russia. Note that unlike the bloody Maiden, the events in Crimea were practically violence free. There is no serious opposition in Crimea as even the Crimean Tatar minority are beginning to realize that Russia is a much better deal.

In the Donbas, yes there are Russian volunteers. Not as well organized as was our American Volunteer Group in Nationalist China during WWII, but there none the less. I also understand that some of the Don Cossack Host have also taken an extended vacation in Eastern Ukraine.

If Russia intervenes formally, you'll know, because as one Ukrainian General put it, "We'll surrender within hours".



Anonymous cheddarman VFM 178 September 01, 2015 12:45 PM  

@35

george, do you have a reference for that? I would like to read about it

thanks

Blogger Danby September 01, 2015 1:01 PM  

@17 Nate
It's more like 3D chess vs Russian Roulette.

Blogger Danby September 01, 2015 1:04 PM  

@Quartermaster
For God's sake, the Ukie finance minister is a former State Department officer!
We financed it, we strategized it,and we put our local handler in power.

Anonymous 11B September 01, 2015 1:07 PM  

'No Russian jets sent to Syria' - military source on 'expeditionary force' report

No Russian jets were deployed to Syria in order to launch attacks against Islamic State militants (IS, formerly ISIS, ISIL) and Syrian rebels, a military source told RT, dismissing reports in Israeli media.

"There has been no redeployment of Russian combat aircraft to the Syrian Arab Republic,” the source told RT on Tuesday. “The Russian Air Force is at its permanent bases and carrying out normal troop training and combat duty.”

On Monday, the Israeli news site Ynet News cited Western diplomats as saying that a Russian “expeditionary force” has arrived in Syria to set up camp at a government airbase near Damascus in order to lead an offensive against IS militants and rebel-aligned targets.

The report added that “thousands of Russian military personnel are set to touch down in Syria, including advisers, instructors, logistics personnel, technical personnel, members of the aerial protection division, and pilots who will operate the aircraft.”


For what it's worth.

Blogger Peter September 01, 2015 1:26 PM  

@45: They don't need to bring their own planes. Syria's Air Force uses Russian planes. All they need to bring are maintenance personnel, spare parts, weapons and pilots.

Blogger Chris Mallory September 01, 2015 1:34 PM  

@37
"Russia is building their's. This is their foothold in the region. From here they build."

Let them have it. The US has wasted enough blood and treasure in that cesspit.

Blogger Chris Mallory September 01, 2015 1:36 PM  

Footage of Russian SAMS knocking Israeli jets out of the air would be priceless. Maybe Russia will put the Terrorists in Tel Aviv back in their cage.

Anonymous Orville September 01, 2015 1:40 PM  

What a weird world. In the 70's I could not envision that today we would be in a scenario where Russia was popular in the US, and could conceivably find plenty of Americans to use in a 4GW scenario inside CONUS.

Blogger Robert What? September 01, 2015 1:48 PM  

Can someone explain to me why the US Neocons wants "regime change" in Syria? We see how sell it's gone in other places. Why do the Neocons hate Assad?

Anonymous vimax asli September 01, 2015 1:59 PM  

ok

Anonymous frenchy September 01, 2015 1:59 PM  

@ Robert What?

"Why do the Neocons hate Assad?"

Because that's what Israel wants.

Blogger luagha September 01, 2015 2:00 PM  

It's most likely an attack on Russia, Robert. Syria is a warm water port for Russia and a lot of their stuff flows through there. Make trouble there and you are engaging in the beginnings of choking them off. Of course it's being done in the stupidest and most evil way possible.

Anonymous patrick kelly September 01, 2015 2:00 PM  

@50 "Why do the Neocons hate Assad?"

For whatever reasons they seem to hate any relatively stable, secular governments (like good ole' Sadam H.). Sure looks like they're trying to replace them all with the likes of ISIS..... apparently they also hate middle eastern Christians.

Blogger luagha September 01, 2015 2:01 PM  

If Israel wanted Assad gone they could have taken him out many times and demonstrated so. So the idea that Israel wants Syria destabilized doesn't fit.

Blogger Chris Mallory September 01, 2015 2:01 PM  

@50 Because Tel Aviv wants all it's neighbors/possible adversaries in the region destabilized. A strong united Syria, Iraq, or Libya is a threat to Israel. American NeoCons put the interests of that alien nation on the other side of the world before those of the US.

Blogger Chris Mallory September 01, 2015 2:04 PM  

@55
But if the Terrorists in Tel Aviv take out Assad, they might screw up and leave their fingerprints on the assassination. Better to have the lapdogs in the US and their vassals in Turkey and Saudi do the dirty work. Keeps blowback from spilling "precious" Israeli blood.

Blogger Chris Mallory September 01, 2015 2:05 PM  

@54
"apparently they also hate Christians."

Fixed that for you.

Anonymous BGS September 01, 2015 2:10 PM  

If Israel wanted Assad gone they could have taken him out

That would have made him a martyr if it was easily tracked back to Israel, like the difference between GRRM dying from a poisoned Dorito vs. at a brothel or all you can eat buffet. Just like the unarmed signal ship USS Liberty would have brought the US to war with Egypt if the sailors didn't avoid the jammed US Fleet radio channels & got out that Israeli's are shooting up lifeboats via commercial channels.

Blogger luagha September 01, 2015 2:39 PM  

So when Israel flies planes over Assad's house which he was in at the time to rattle the windows (which they've done twice to send him a message that they didn't like something he was doing) that was pretty easily tracked back to Israel, and was intentional.

When Israel bombs convoys going through Syria that has stuff they don't like, and secret maybe-nuclear facilities being started in Syria that they don't like, and it gets tracked back to Israel... I'm not seeing this martyrdom argument.

Blogger Curtis September 01, 2015 3:11 PM  

Someone has to fight CIA-ISIS. And who says our fighter jets are striking at ISIS in Syria? We are more than likely striking those who are interrupting the CIA-ISIS supply route, from Turkey. And that supply route, beginning in Turkey, goes through Kurdish territory, which is why the Kurds are being bombed.

Walker said so long as Syrian President Bashar Assad “is still in power and Iran, his patron, has a base of operations in Damascus,” ISIS will not be defeated.

Of course CIA-ISIS isn't going to be defeated. It's sole CIA purpose is to take down Assad. Question is, IF Assad were taken down by CIA-ISIS, are we then going to put in troops to take down CIA-ISIS? Nope. They'll finish up in Iraq and next stop, Iran.

http://www.mappery.com/maps/Partial-Europe-Middle-East-Asia-Partial-Russia-Partial-Africa-Map.jpg

And Saudi Arabia supporting CIA-Qaeda in Yemen?

And Ukraine? Does anyone really think that USgov/NATO is pissed that Putin keeps his Black Sea Fleet in Crimea/Black Sea because of democracy for Crimea/Ukraine? Really?

All one has to do, in light of events these past 14-15 yeas, is look at a map (link up there) to figure it out. And remember, think, Russia was late comer boogeyman (again). When you think Russia the boogeyman, think Libya, Egypt, Syria, and Ukraine as a distraction. Meanwhile, as US/NATO is bloviating in Eastern Europe over Russia's imminent invasion of Ukraine.

Now the question is, will the US/NATO risk igniting the tender box with those "crazy" Mullahs in Iran at Russia's back?

Anonymous A Visitor September 01, 2015 3:23 PM  

"I wouldn't be surprised if Putin started sending serious arms to the Mexican drug cartels and relaunching the Soviet Union's policy of funding revolutionary movements around the world. Thanks to the EU's insane immigration policies, he could even turn the USA's mujahideen strategy on its head and sow chaos throughout Western Europe if he wanted."

How much you want to be this is actually happening?

"The other part of me is thinking Spetnaz 300 ISIS 0." LOL!

"Plus, the US needs to quit participating in the refugee resettlement program, which exacerbates our own migration problems."

How, pray tell, can that be done? If the media/establishment is this desperate against someone who openly speaks out against illegal aliens, imagine the hill that it'll be to do away with the "Diversity Visa Lottery" and refugee resettlement. I'm not saying it can't be done, it would just be hard to do it openly. Best bet would be to remain mum about it until you get into office and then Nike™: Just Do It™.

"I understand also that Syrian and Lebanese Christians are now fighting side by side with Hezbollah in southern Syria." If true, it's because they realize what an existential threat IS and Al Nusra are to them.

"All these effing moslem splinter groups are fighting each other in Syria."

Ideally, the best outcome would be the Russians barely stabilizing Assad's regime due to massive losses sustained against IS and Al Nusra with those groups losing thousands as well. In the end, Assad remains, IS and Al Nusra are effectively eradicated and Russia's military is weakened.

@46 Just like Korea...Soviet (well now Russian) pilots flying

OpenID corvinus333 September 01, 2015 3:29 PM  

I've looked more closely at the Syrian conflict, and it's actually more of a Sunni Arab civil war now.

Apparently, Syria is 60% Sunni Arab and 40% others, such as Alawites, Christians, Shiites, Druze, and Kurds. The non-Sunnis are supporting the government, and the Syrian territory where they live is more or less in the government's hands, with the Kurds in the northeast carving out their own sliver of territory as in Iraq. It's the Sunni Arab parts of the country that are being fought over by the Free Syrian Army + al-Nusra and ISIS. The government's and Kurdish territory have therefore pretty much stabilized, with the other factions fighting it out.

This also explains why most of the fighting appears to be gov't-FSA, ISIS-FSA, and ISIS-Kurd.

Further, this also explains why most of the refugees flooding into Europe are Sunni Arabs.

Anonymous Hrw-500 September 01, 2015 3:44 PM  

A bit off-topic, I saw this article written on August 28 about Russia's involvement in the Middle East http://www.valuewalk.com/2015/08/russia-plans-to-take-over-middle-east-with-its-weapons/ via this blog post.

Anonymous REG September 01, 2015 4:44 PM  

I saw a news release a few week/months ago that Obama was sending two battalions of Reserves/ National Guard as advisers to the Ukraine. Then it went quiet, did he?

Blogger Curtis September 01, 2015 4:56 PM  

@65

Yes.

OpenID corvinus333 September 01, 2015 5:20 PM  

A bit off-topic, I saw this article written on August 28 about Russia's involvement in the Middle East

@64
Russia is stepping up exports of arms because of the oil crash, and Russian armaments are one of the few things that there's foreign demand for outside of oil/gas.

Anonymous A Reader September 01, 2015 5:55 PM  

"Why did he wait so long? Should have done this years ago. "

I'll make a chess analogy, considering that the Russians are masters at chess and geopolitics.

Anatoly Karpov, who is a former World Chess Champion, and a Russian, has a playing style that has been called "minimalist." A minimalist playing style is a style that seeks to win with the least amount of effort.

Putin has a minimalist playing style. Here, the idea is "I will see first if my ally can take care of the problem on his own. If he can, great, and I save resources. If my ally can't solve the problem by himself, then I will help."




Anonymous REG September 01, 2015 8:40 PM  

So, the US has already sent troops to the Ukraine; but, our leaders are accusing Russia of planning to send troops. The US and Saudis have been channeling weapons to the so called rebels in Syria for months (years?) and now Russia is the bad guy that wants to destabilize the Middle East. I'll bet Louis Carrol is rolling in laughter at the absurdness of it all.

Blogger newanubis September 01, 2015 9:34 PM  

I figured that Isis was a complete contrivance and an unassailable mandate to wind up with boots in Syria. (Line in the sand didn't work out so well)

Speculation was that us forces would either slow down or outright dissuade Russian forces coming down to rescue Tehran.

So, if war with Iran is actually percolating behind the scenes, Russian military presence in Syria serves to thwart the western effort not just with talk at the useless UN, but with actionable force.

Blogger newanubis September 01, 2015 9:35 PM  

I figured that Isis was a complete contrivance and an unassailable mandate to wind up with boots in Syria. (Line in the sand didn't work out so well)

Speculation was that us forces would either slow down or outright dissuade Russian forces coming down to rescue Tehran.

So, if war with Iran is actually percolating behind the scenes, Russian military presence in Syria serves to thwart the western effort not just with talk at the useless UN, but with actionable force.

Blogger newanubis September 01, 2015 9:35 PM  

I figured that Isis was a complete contrivance and an unassailable mandate to wind up with boots in Syria. (Line in the sand didn't work out so well)

Speculation was that us forces would either slow down or outright dissuade Russian forces coming down to rescue Tehran.

So, if war with Iran is actually percolating behind the scenes, Russian military presence in Syria serves to thwart the western effort not just with talk at the useless UN, but with actionable force.

Anonymous The Kulak September 02, 2015 4:20 AM  

1) Moscow has now officially denied this Israeli report, politely calling it BS.

http://www.rt.com/news/314010-syria-russia-planes-isis/

2) While there has been no confirmation that Assad's air force got six MiG-31 interceptors capable of shooting down Turkish if not Israeli F-16s from outside AMRAAM range, there are no doubt Syrian pilots training on the latest Russian aircraft in Russia.

3) There is circumstantial evidence of a stepped up Russian merc presence on the front lines, but no hard evidence beyond speculation that these guys are active duty servicemen or accompanying the newer BTRs that have been shipped to Assad's army for pairing with battlefield surveillance drones and/or artillery/rocket fire direction capabilities. If you recall, we've seen guys speaking English or definitely non-native Russian speakers on the battlefield in Ukrainian forces appear on video (most famously 'out of my face please' guy in Mariupol). Vice News always claims that these are just idealistic European volunteers willing to fight for $174 a month in Ukrainian hyrvnia rather than NATO mercs/spooks fighting or spying in the Azov Battalion's 2nd SS Das Reich division Wolfsangel symbol runes-sporting uniforms.

http://spioenkop.blogspot.de/2015/08/new-evidence-proves-russian-military.html

4) I think The Saker is right, and ZeroHedge and now VoxDay jumped the gun a bit on this one.

http://thesaker.is/a-russian-military-intervention-in-syria-i-very-much-doubt-it/#comment-140279

If Russia wanted to fight directly rather than merely along the border and by Novorossiya proxy in Ukraine, they would've done so already and there'd be Russian tanks in Mariupol and Kharkov if not Kiev. Ditto for Syria, there is still one huge obstacle in the way of seaborne logistics called Turkey.

Yes the Turks haven't interfered with their duties under the post-WW1 Montreux Convention indicating that the Bosporus Straits are free for the innocent passage of all. But that could change if Russian troops or pilots were directly involved in killing Turkish soldiers or airmen, especially if Russian Pantsirs or S300s start shooting down Turkish F-16s that thought they could bomb Kurdish areas with impunity while pretending to bomb ISIS.

With that all being said, Russia doesn't have to fight directly in Syria with its servicemen to make Israeli, Turkish or other clever plans for Western intervention fail, as we saw in August 2013. While the crazy neocons imagined Russia wasn't going to do anything to stop American intervention, the US Navy if ya'll didn't notice kept its warships on the other side of the Cyprus sea and air radar cover just in case Moscow transferred Yakhont supersonic anti-shipping missiles to Damascus. The Russians also could in theory step up their presence in the capital and since it's only a stone's throw to the Israeli held Golan Heights anyway, the IDF will probably want no more cutting edge brand new Russian Kornet ATGMs killing their Merkava crews like Hezbollah did to make mincemeat out of the 'invincible' Israeli armored troops in 2006. Ditto for the Turks. Today we're seeing Yemeni and Houthi tribesmen killing Saudis by the bushel in their incinerated M1A1s and Bradleys INSIDE southern Saudi Arabia. No sane member of the Joint Chiefs would want to see that in Syria if everybody sees through the ruse and realizes American troops aren't coming in to fight ISIS but remove Assad. This is the kind of crap that actual military professionals in the know are aware about Syria that moron neocon-advised politicians like Rubio and Walker ignore when they discuss putting American boots on the ground in Syria. The only place US troops could operate more or less openly without taking heavy casualties would be among the Kurds and that of course would piss off the Turks who might spill the beans on all the dirty deals that have created ISIS in the first place, including the links back to Riyadh, Doha and Langley.

Anonymous The Kulak September 02, 2015 4:42 AM  

@ 62 Baaaaaaaaaaad idea. For lots of reasons, tit for tat and the Caucasus being much more restive historically than the Rio Grande Valley or even East LA being one of them.

What I do expect to happen is a major grassroots backlash against the migrant invasion, more accusations beyond the usual Thierry Meyssan suspects that the U.S. is deliberately screwing up Europe and destroying the euro to prop up king dollar for a few more years, and more overt Yankee go home and if NATO won't defend our Med and Balkan borders while hyping the Russian threat what the hell is it good for? sentiment.

The sudden propaganda that Sweden urgently needs to join NATO would be hilarious (how did the Swedes survive the first Cold War without joining NATO?) if it didn't have the darker subtext that foreign troops might someday be needed on Swedish soil under the NATO 'exercises' pretext to prevent some unpleasantness between the invaders and the natives. I believe there is already a protocol the Swedish socialists signed a few years ago that permits joint deployment of military forces in an emergency so Finnish, Danish or Dutch soldiers can 'help' a Swedish government dealing with civil unrest or a natural disaster (not unlike those secret North American Union deals about Mexican or Canadian troops working with FEMA in this country).

I believe the proudly identitarian, neo-pagan Red Ice Radio comes out of Sweden and so do the Swedish 'ex' Nazis fighting for (or more accurately doing PR for) the SS rune wearing Azov Battalion. Which suddenly is being portrayed by two U.S. vets A.H. Bonenberger (what a name) and Heritage Foundation Daily Signal paid correspondent Nolan W. Peterson as some sort of elite fighting force after Congress passed an amendment officially barring U.S. funds or training for the unit (which I expect will be respected about as well as Col. Oliver North and co respected the Boland amendments barring aid to the Contras). I wonder which bastards in D.C. paid for the sudden, Azov are a wonderful bunch of guys who never would shirk and let the regular Ukrainian army do all the dying at Donetsk Airport and Debaltsevo while they sun themselves in Mariupol safe and surrounded by civilians the NAF won't touch?

The truth is if Russia wanted to take Mariupol Azov would be wiped out in 72 hours, with plenty of Mariupol locals who hate their guts and consider them to be a bunch of Nazi bastards giving the GRU/FSB the coordinates of where they eat, sleep and crap. As I've said here before if the Ukrainian Army ever actually has to fight the elite Russian units head on with the gloves off and air and cruise missile strikes coming in, they will wonder why they bullshitted the Western media so much about fighting spetsnaz when they were actually dodging fire from teenagers, truck drivers and coal miners from Donbass.

Anonymous The Kulak September 02, 2015 4:46 AM  

What's coming is a fight between the majority of the European New Right and identitarians who see NATO and the EU(SSR) as occupiers or at least allied with the invaders and a minority of 'right wingers' and even a few bonafide neo-Nazis from Azov who work for NATO or NATO's Swedish b-tch Carl Bildt. That's how I see it anyway.

http://www.vice.com/en_dk/read/european-british-fighters-in-ukraine-920

Russia is of course, if you listen to Red Ice acting through Alexandr Dugin and other figures to overtly support the European New Right that is truly eurosceptic and anti-NATO. They don't exactly hide it what with playing the soft power game of conferences and propaganda now, though it's still a fraction of the billions the U.S. spends every year brainwashing Germans and other Europeans into Uncle Sam dominance.

http://dailysignal.com/2015/08/10/meet-the-former-neo-nazi-spokesman-who-now-fights-for-freedom-in-ukraine/
Azov Battalion -- ignore the SS insignia and believe them when they say they're no longer 'white power warriors'

http://www.wrath-bearingtree.com/dispatches/2015/7/17/the-front-lines
Mikael Skillt, the Swedish Nazi superman who would shit his pants if he ever meets the real 'polite men in green' who will quickly and probably thermobarically send him to Valhalla

One wonders if the Brits, Swedes and other eurotrash in Azov Battalion aren't being built up as elite hipster supermen by (the allegedly CIA influenced) Vice News so that they can go back to their homelands when Azov is dissolved and create 21st century Gladio units or act as NATO's infiltrators in identitarian parties and movements to keep them from getting too friendly with Belgrade, Budapest and Moscow.

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Anonymous George of the Jungle September 07, 2015 7:45 AM  

The quote about serving two masters is apt. You'd think these companies would have people at the top who are smart enough to figure that out on their own. But then I always remember that these clowns are first and foremost in bed with the government, so everything that comes from that has a sort of tragic predictability about it.

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