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Wednesday, September 30, 2015

Russian airstrikes in Syria

Vladimir Putin was not bluffing:
US officials are now widely briefing that Russia has started carrying out airstrikes in Syria, following a vote by the Moscow's upper house of parliament this morning approving military action in Syria.

Valentina Matvienko, the speaker of the Russian upper house of parliament, says senators approved Vladimir Putin's permission for airstrikes in order to crush the "hydra" of terrorism:
 
We proceeded from the fact that first of all it is in the interests of national security of Russia for many reasons. Because if today this hydra is not crushed at its roots, where it is already at war, if we do not destroy "Islamic State" today, Isil could come to threaten the entire world, including Europe and Russia.
This is very interesting from a grand strategic perspective. Note that Russia is portraying itself as a defender of Europe against Islam, and an ally in that fight, whereas the USA has been actively fostering the Islamic invasion of Europe.

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113 Comments:

Blogger Skylark Thibedeau September 30, 2015 8:36 AM  

Russia begins airstrikes in Syria and Ammo Dumps in Mosques are back on the targeting menu.

Blogger Werekoala1066 September 30, 2015 8:45 AM  

Alas, Babylon.

Blogger njartist September 30, 2015 8:48 AM  

Let's hope the European/Washington elites do not succeed in assassinating Putin.

Blogger JP September 30, 2015 8:50 AM  

It's like this century is the exact opposite of the previous century.

Blogger Alexander September 30, 2015 8:53 AM  

It's like this century is the exact opposite of the previous century.

Perfectly put.

Blogger Dago September 30, 2015 8:58 AM  

If they do assassinate Putin they are literally signing their death warrants. When it comes to that kind of rhink the Russkies are operationally light years ahead of the Western powers.
Giuseppe The Kurgan

Blogger Student in Blue September 30, 2015 8:59 AM  

How Obama's been handling (read: bungling) the political goodwill that the US has built over the years makes me think of Chicago politics in general: they don't care how they look, and all they want to do is drag you into the mud, and there aren't many levels they won't stoop to in order to accomplish this.

Blogger Nate September 30, 2015 9:01 AM  

if we were lead by anything but retards... we'd be aligning ourselves with Russia in every way possible.

Blogger Nate September 30, 2015 9:03 AM  

ya know it would be worth dealing with another Romney campaign just to see him rub Obama's nose in that 80s foreign policy snark from the debate.

of course... Romney is a huge pussy... so he wouldn't do it.

Blogger Jourdan September 30, 2015 9:09 AM  

The U.S. and Russia came to agreement yesterday to appoint a military liaison to each's HQ so that U.S. and Russian forces--air and ground--do not run into each other in Syria.

Blogger Cinco September 30, 2015 9:13 AM  

"if we were lead by anything but retards... we'd be aligning ourselves with Russia in every way possible."

No shit, right!

Can we put that whole cold war thing behind us and get on to the 1.2 billion Muslim problem that will be 2.8 billion in only 35 years. Think about that for a minute, 2.8 billion in only 35 years. That is the equivalent of 40% of today's total world population.

Our grandchildren will no nothing but war, it will be their sole purpose.

OpenID homesteader1 September 30, 2015 9:16 AM  

I served in the cold war, guarding against communists. The Russians were the Evil Empire.

Now I favor Russia over my own government. We're the Empire now....

Blogger Mr.MantraMan September 30, 2015 9:19 AM  

Wait a bit when foreign powers start dropping Ordnance in the former USA or Yugomerica

Blogger Matamoros September 30, 2015 9:28 AM  

Possibly a KGB disinfo program to distract the US and EU from Ukraine, because Russia is on the verge of collapse and needs the sanctions lifted if Putin is to survive as ruler of Russia. Otherwise he will be replaced by the powers that be in Russia.

Blogger Nate September 30, 2015 9:38 AM  

"Possibly a KGB disinfo program to distract the US and EU from Ukraine, because Russia is on the verge of collapse and needs the sanctions lifted if Putin is to survive as ruler of Russia."

This is the most delusional comment of the day.

Blogger Laguna Beach Fogey September 30, 2015 9:45 AM  

I raise my glass to you, Mr. Putin.

Maybe someday soon, many of us here will be called to defend Europe.

Blogger Sheila4g September 30, 2015 9:55 AM  

Off topic -
Vox, two writers channeling themes I've seen nowhere else but here (so I'm presuming they copied them from you). First, at VDare, the main article about immigration by Paul Nachman specifically notes how Ellis Island immigrants and, more importantly, their children, elected Roosevelt and dramatically shifted the prevailing political balance in the country immigants outvote country's residents.

Then, Steve Sailer (column at VDare, comments at Unz) invokes the magic of geographic translocation in language that could have come straight from you. To wit: "Modern progressives increasingly believe that geographic locations emit powerful magic emanations that control the behavior of people who subsequently settle there. Thus inner city neighborhoods in America cause gun violence and poor test scores. Similarly, the Nazi-tainted geography of Austria will no doubt hoodoo the poor innocent Muslim youths into taunting and beating Jews they happen to find on their turf. National borders are just artificial lines drawn on a map, but geographic juju is forever."

Blogger Dexter September 30, 2015 9:58 AM  

Our "war" against ISIS is a total fake - a handful of strikes per day.

The question is, will Russia's war against ISIS be real or fake? They don't have a lot of planes there, so their current capacity to fight is very limited.

Blogger Owen September 30, 2015 10:00 AM  

Only Obama can get me to admire a Russian president.

Blogger Matamoros September 30, 2015 10:00 AM  

@15
Unlike you I spend a lot of time in Russia.

Believe the disinfo as you wish.

Blogger Hunsdon September 30, 2015 10:11 AM  

@20.

Matamoros: I tend to agree with Nate on this one; that was, at least, my initial reaction. Would you develop your statement and provide some context? What makes you think Russia is on the verge of collapse? And what did you mean by KGB disinformation? (I have to say, anyone who still uses KGB takes a credibility hit in my book, but I understand the allure of the familiar.)

Blogger thimscool September 30, 2015 10:12 AM  

Bluff called... Russia refuses to get bottled up in the Black Sea, so it takes away our plausibly deniable ally and weakly opposed enemy, ISIS.

What now? Doubling down could make this very expensive for Putin. But the geopolitics will get hairy if the rebels were to endure, and it will build to a fever pitch if they actually make progress against the bolstered regime. The confrontational approach would be to bolster arms support for the Rebels and insist that Assad must go, then ask the Russians to step aside. I very much doubt this will happen.

If, on the other hand we back down, then our humiliation is complete, and the Russians will have easy work putting humpty dumpty back together again.

I predict that our policy will be to publicly collaborate with the Russians and Iranians against ISIS, while insisting on controlling the game in Iraq... and using that control to wage a toothless show of force, while continuing to supply the Kurds and the disaffected Baathists (aka ISIS) under cover of our area of authority. IF done properly, this will prolong the conflict, bleed the Russians, and further our contacts and assets within the Iranian system.

Blogger hadley September 30, 2015 10:23 AM  



The enemies are Russia and Germany. They have been the enemies for over 100 years. Sometimes they are at our throats, sometimes they are under our boot. They cannot be permitted to threaten US hegemony.

Right now Germany is under our boot and Russia is at our throat.

we cannot "forget the cold war [and be friends]" since the cold war was merely a temporary label for a much older struggle.

OpenID anonymos-coward September 30, 2015 10:25 AM  

Unlike you I spend a lot of time in Russia.
Top kek. Where exactly in Russia?

Here's a quick adequacy test for you: name any point in history when Russia, according to your understanding, wasn't "on the verge of collapse".

Blogger Hunsdon September 30, 2015 10:29 AM  

@ 23.

Hadley:

When did Russia become an enemy of the United States? You say over 100 years, are you confining yourself to the Big Bolshevik Experiment, or were we enemies before that?

Blogger Student in Blue September 30, 2015 10:31 AM  

@thimscool
IF done properly, this will prolong the conflict, bleed the Russians, and further our contacts and assets within the Iranian system.

US elections next year, don't forget. Things aren't set in stone.

Blogger Tank September 30, 2015 10:31 AM  

I forget, whose side are we on there?

Blogger Laguna Beach Fogey September 30, 2015 10:34 AM  

I just heard that frothing-at-the-mouth madman Lt Col Ralph Peters on Fox News claim that Russia is not targeting ISIS, but is instead bombing the moderate Syrian opposition and will force the world to choose between Assad and ISIS. The US elites are laying the groundwork for open support for ISIS.

Blogger David-2 September 30, 2015 10:35 AM  

Well, I'm glad to know Obama was more flexible after his election. That's one true thing he's said anyway.

Blogger Laguna Beach Fogey September 30, 2015 10:36 AM  

A Berlin-Moscow axis scares the American elites shitless.

Blogger LP999/S.I.G. Burnin' Up! September 30, 2015 10:47 AM  

Alpha Vlad Putin wants faith in God in Russia for his people not the perversity of the other cultures, he has a special understanding of Syria. Also unswayed by strange neoconic policies.

Pres. Putin is a excellent (chess player) strategist, he is also the only adult in the room. Many were pleased to read Pres. Putin snubbed a few of the teens attending these meetings.

Meanwhile Russia is shunned from G20, G8's.

Yet Russia and China understand the problematic equation of Vox's simple and expected outcome of diversity + proximity = war, chaos for the people.

Blogger LP999/S.I.G. Burnin' Up! September 30, 2015 10:48 AM  

Edit: Chess ref.example to strategy and planning

Blogger The Other Robot September 30, 2015 10:52 AM  

Meanwhile the NYT hints that Boehner will strike back at the American people (or those who don't want illegal immigration) by pushing through Shamnesty before he retires.

Where is the rope?

OpenID Jack Amok September 30, 2015 10:55 AM  

Russia is on the verge of collapse and needs the sanctions lifted if Putin is to survive as ruler of Russia

What sort of collapse and who are Putin's rivals for power?

US officials are now widely briefing that Russia has started

"Widely briefing?" I'm sure the person who wrote that thinks using cant puts him in a special club, but WTF happened to reporters using English. Nothing like having news reports with grating language like that.

Blogger Owen September 30, 2015 10:55 AM  

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Blogger The Other Robot September 30, 2015 10:57 AM  

"Possibly a KGB disinfo program to distract the US and EU from Ukraine, because Russia is on the verge of collapse and needs the sanctions lifted if Putin is to survive as ruler of Russia."

This is the most delusional comment of the day.


Of course The Russian Federation is on the verge of collapse. The have not accepted the miracle of sexual deviancy and the wonders of diversity is our strength, so they must be on the verge of collapse.

Blogger Jack Ward September 30, 2015 10:59 AM  

Shades of the novel 'Victioria' where Mother Russia became supporter of the break away partition of New England. I just have to reread that book.

Blogger David-2 September 30, 2015 11:01 AM  

#34 w.r.t. "widely briefing" - it's an article in a British newspaper; I believe "briefing" is more commonly used, in this way, there.

Blogger Alexander September 30, 2015 11:02 AM  

The enemies are Russia and Germany. They have been the enemies for over 100 years. Sometimes they are at our throats, sometimes they are under our boot. They cannot be permitted to threaten US hegemony.

Nonsense.

The Anglo-Saxon nations of the world are naturally maritime trading powers.. The Russians are a land power with vast resources. We both have historical concerns regarding the other continental land powers - Germany and France, as modern concerns regarding China and Islam. Financially and Militarily, we are natural allies.

Light years moreso than we are with the hoards of Aztlan, or the denizens of Calais.

The wooden wall was built from Siberian timber. The wall of the future will include Russia as well.

OpenID cglasgow99 September 30, 2015 11:28 AM  

That would be a more comforting observation if I wasn't having trouble remembering a historical example of any Russian ally that the Russians didn't eventually screw over hardcore. (Well, except for the one that went early and avoided the rush by screwing the Russians first, but that didn't work out at all to their benefit in the long run, so...)

Is it a good thing that the Russians are fighting ISIS? It is a good thing that anyone is fighting ISIS, no ifs ands or buts.

But does this mean we can look forward down the road, long-term, to a happy US/Russia alliance out of a Tom Clancy novel or Jerry Pournelle's CoDominium? Magic 8-ball say "Outlook not good".

Blogger Nate September 30, 2015 11:39 AM  

"Unlike you I spend a lot of time in Russia. "

Tell us about your trips. how often do you go? where do you go? how long do you spend there?

Blogger Alexander September 30, 2015 11:42 AM  

That would be a more comforting observation if I wasn't having trouble remembering a historical example of any Russian ally that the Russians didn't eventually screw over hardcore.

You could just as easily insert "America" in there.

We are in fact pretty special. At least Victorian Europe's every changing blocs had some trappings of logic as to why the national interest changed. Where did it suddenly become American's interest to make sure Ghadafi got death-by-sodomizing-bands-of-rebels?

Blogger ZhukovG September 30, 2015 11:44 AM  

Here's a little shameless Russian propaganda

Forward Russia

Trigger Warning: This video contains an excessive number of "Privileged White People", with some token Asians.

Blogger luagha September 30, 2015 11:45 AM  

Pictures or it didn't happen.

I mean, we all see dash cam video from Russia, posting a travelog isn't hard.

Blogger luagha September 30, 2015 11:45 AM  

Pictures or it didn't happen.

I mean, we all see dash cam video from Russia, posting a travelog isn't hard.

Blogger rumpole5 September 30, 2015 11:46 AM  

I am an Anglophile, but I must say that if the British had not taken the wrong side in the Crimean war, and ever since, then we wouldn't have these problems now because the Eastern Orthodox Russians would have reclaimed Constantinople for Christendom. We are following in the same stupid pattern. Let the Eastern European Christians handle these folks. As Catherine the Great and Vlad the Impaler demonstrated, they know what to do with them

OpenID cglasgow99 September 30, 2015 11:47 AM  

@42 -- 'I know you are but what am I?' is not a useful rebuttal.

OpenID karsten0 September 30, 2015 11:51 AM  

Edited for truth:

"The enemies [of Judaic power] are Russia and Germany. They have been the enemies [of Judaic power] for over 100 years. Sometimes they are at our throats, sometimes they are under our boot. They cannot be permitted to threaten [Judaic] hegemony.

"Right now Germany is under (((our))) boot and Russia is at (((our))) throat.

"We [Judaics] cannot "forget the cold war [and be friends]" since the cold war was merely a temporary label for a much older struggle."


The multiple parentheses, I've heard, are a shorthand for indicating the Judaic tribal identity of the writer, BTW.

Blogger Cinco September 30, 2015 11:52 AM  

Well, let's be practical about this. Russia is in fact going to collapse at some point. According to PJB in "The Death of the West," Russia's population will decline from 200 million (10 years ago when I read that book) to 100 million by the year 2100. I don't need to teach people here what that is going to do to property values in Russia.

Also, with what will essentially be only half the population living there, it is going to make a great home for the Muslim horde. Why do you think Putin is offering such great tax incentives for Russian girls to pump out more kids? The West is going out with a whimper, not a bang. Pun intended.

Blogger Were-Puppy September 30, 2015 11:52 AM  

@19 Owen
Only Obama can get me to admire a Russian president.
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*sigh* - i agree.

Blogger Were-Puppy September 30, 2015 11:59 AM  

@31 LP999/S.I.G. Burnin' Up!
Alpha Vlad Putin wants faith in God in Russia for his people not the perversity of the other cultures, he has a special understanding of Syria.
---

What is this thing I see here every now and then about Putin and God in Russia?

As I recall, wasn't Putin a big KGB guy in the USSR? And weren't they basically as athiest as you could get? I may have a lot of misconceptions, but please enlighten me.

Blogger Bluntobj Winz September 30, 2015 11:59 AM  

Now if the Russians have sigint that can prove Erdogan actually ordered the alien immigrant invasion of Europe and delivers that to the people of Europe...

Blogger Bluntobj Winz September 30, 2015 12:02 PM  

@51

The Russian Orthodox church is Russian...

Simply because he was KGB, and the public position of the USSR was atheist does not mean that things cannot change over the course of 23 years.

How else is he going to be able to re-establish the monarchy without support of the church? A nation and people of shared belief is what will be required to combat Islam. Those who are atheist or degenerate will not have the will to resist, and will be subject to the jizya.

Blogger Alexander September 30, 2015 12:04 PM  

@49

Russia's demographics have turned around. Whether that is a blip or a trend, who can say. But I wouldn't count on what we knew 'ten years ago'.

Blogger ZhukovG September 30, 2015 12:09 PM  

@49

The population of the area currently occupied by Russia in 1960 was 119.9 Million. The official estimate for 1 August 2015, is 146,400,000. Over 2 million of that is accounted for by the rejoining of Crimea.

The Birthrate in 2014 was 13.3 per 1000 against a death rate of 13.1 per 1000.

Slightly over 80% of the population is ethnic Russian.

Will the population drop? Probably, but doom and gloom are not called for.

In 1836 the population of the entire Russian Empire was just above 60,000,000 I believe.


Blogger Were-Puppy September 30, 2015 12:13 PM  

@53 Bluntobj Winz

Thanks, that makes sense.

Blogger Blume September 30, 2015 12:14 PM  

Hadley you are an idiot. Neither Germany or Russia have natural interests in our sphere. They only fuck with us when we fuck with them.

Blogger ZhukovG September 30, 2015 12:20 PM  

@56. Were-Puppy

Putin's Father was a party official and not religious. His Mother however, was a devout Russian Orthodox Christian. She had Putin baptized and he attended services with her as a child.

Interestingly, I have never seen reported where this had a negative impact on his Dad's position in the party.

Putin himself, as a young adult became non-religious himself and was eventually a mid level intelligence analyst with the KGB.

He eventually returned to the Church and is currently a practicing Orthodox believer. How devout, I have no idea. But I have read where even his political enemies don't question his belief.

OpenID Jack Amok September 30, 2015 12:28 PM  

w.r.t. "widely briefing" - it's an article in a British newspaper; I believe "briefing" is more commonly used, in this way, there.

Ah, thank you. The British have been abusing the English language for a thousand years, no good asking them to stop now.

...if the British had not taken the wrong side in the Crimean war...

It's worth pointing out that the British were doing what they have always done, trying to maintain the balance of power on the continent. They didn't really give a fig about the Ottomans, but they didn't want the remnants of the collapsing Ottoman Empire to fall wholesale into any one Great Power's hands. World War I was to a large degree the result of mutually distrustful European powers failing to find a peaceful way to part out the Ottoman carcass. (you could say something similar about the ACW and dividing up the western half of the continent).

OpenID Steve September 30, 2015 12:35 PM  

"if we were lead by anything but retards... we'd be aligning ourselves with Russia in every way possible."

If they actually where controlled by retards they wouldn't have helped jihadists as much as they have. Their mistakes would occasionally moslems.

because Russia is on the verge of collapse and needs the sanctions lifted if Putin is to survive as ruler of Russia

That fool Putin is trading oil for gold, everyone knows that isn't money.

@20 Unlike you I spend a lot of time in Russia.

That might matter if we wanted to know the going rate for 18yo male hookers. Why don't you tell us as proof?

name any point in history when Russia, according to your understanding, wasn't "on the verge of collapse".

The fact that 50% of their food is grown locally actually makes them less fragile.

I forget, whose side are we on there?

Bath House Barry is fighting the guy that is mean to the moslems, by protecting Christians and jews.-BGS

Blogger Mr.MantraMan September 30, 2015 1:03 PM  

The propaganda war against Russia is kicking it up a notch or so I hear, totally discredited people but the Obama's cult true believers and the Tom Clancy conservative types will go along

Blogger Jon Bromfield September 30, 2015 1:05 PM  

Was amused by the headline "Putin and Obama Clash"

Yeah, like my boot clashes with a dog turd.

OpenID genericviews September 30, 2015 1:27 PM  

I could get along fine with the Russians if they would just learn to bathe and use deodorant.

Blogger Unknown September 30, 2015 1:28 PM  

How are Russia and Germany permanently at odds with us? Which of their permanent interests conflict with which of ours?

In the fight against the mohammadens, they and India are our natural allies.

Blogger Jourdan September 30, 2015 1:30 PM  

Well, this is typical USG bullshit today. Here's the sequence of events as seen from my perch here in Washington:

1) Yesterday, Russia and U.S. agree to military-to-military liaison hotline so that the two forces don't run into each other in theatre

2) This morning, the Russian liaison officer used that hotline to inform his American opposite that Russia was going to bomb anti-government forces and requesting that U.S. forces remain clear of the north of Syria until the operation's end.

3) We say "no"

4) USG and Obama-media now says "Russia Demands U.S. Remove Aircraft from Syria"

5) USG and Obama-media now says that "Russia bombed moderate Syrians and not ISIS, and probably didn't achieve anything"

What a load of horseshit.

Blogger Alexander September 30, 2015 1:51 PM  

USG and Obama-media now says that "Russia bombed moderate Syrians and not ISIS, and probably didn't achieve anything"

I believe that Russia bombed people that Obama defines as moderate Syrians.

Blogger Anonymous Robot September 30, 2015 1:55 PM  

More NT Times propaganda?

Blogger Matamoros September 30, 2015 2:06 PM  

@21
1. Collapse. Russia cannot feed itself, virtually everything in Russia is imported including food. With the sanctions and counter-sanctions Russians cannot get reasonably priced food. The ruble is worth less than 50% than previously and food costs are rising concurrently. The average Russian is being forced back to near starvation levels. If you made the equivalent of $600 per month (Russians typically make between $400-$1000 per month) prices and expenses have doubled while your wages remain static; or you are now out of work.

The security apparatus changes names every few years, but KGB is best known. Under the SU the KGB was the security apparatus to protect the party. The KGB jettisoned the party and now rules directly; but they do not know how to run a country, though they are trying.

Putin has tried to shift the economy from a market economy to military spending to shore up the economy, but it is not working. Largely because they cannot get the advanced technology needed to make the weapons, as it comes from the West.

The attempt to reestablish the SU borders has failed, with Russia sinking vast amounts of money into East Ukraine to fund the military there and in Western Russia. Also the Crimea has proven to be a major boondoggle and money pit.

The people are becoming restive, with increasing discontent and protests. Putin’s real numbers are guessed at between 50-60% by Russian friends; not the 80-90% disinfo. The elite are losing the ability to travel, move their money around, and even access it (it is all in the West), which makes them restive. Even the bankers are abandoning Russia, not to mention continuing massive outflow of funds. Putin must get the sanctions eased, or the economy and the military will collapse, along with his rule.

These are just a few reasons.

@24
Keep on trolling, it is clearly evident from your SJW remark.

Blogger Daniel September 30, 2015 2:09 PM  

Oops.

OpenID Steve September 30, 2015 2:46 PM  

@68 lying douche- 1. Collapse. Russia cannot feed itself, virtually everything in Russia is imported including food.

Russians grow 1/2 of their food supply privately, they learned from when the Jewish Bolsheviks took away people guns, then took away all their food at gunpoint including seeds, starving to death 60+ million white Russians in the Holodomor. Look up Dacha gardens, they are models for preppers. Maybe there isn't enough food for nonworking moslems & the gypsy boys you pick up, but they might charge you more then.

"in 2011, 51% of Russia’s food was grown either by dacha communities (40%), or by peasant farmers (11%). The remaining 49% of production was left to large agricultural enterprises.

When one digs deeper into the numbers reported by Russian Statistics Service, however, some very impressive details are discovered. In 2011, dacha gardens produced over 80% of the country’s fruit and berries, over 66% of the vegetables consumed, almost 80% of the potatoes purchased, and nearly 50% of the nation’s milk supply – much of it consumed raw."


Next he will tell us he has been to Germany & lie about beer tents.-BigGaySteve

Blogger Jourdan September 30, 2015 2:52 PM  

@68 There is no doubt that the sanctions have hit Russia a lot harder than has been reported or is widely known. I've heard from friends there that there is elite unhappiness for the reasons you cite, but they also stress that Putin's hold and popularity are both quite strong.

It's difficult not to notice that the approval ratings you cite as evidence of Putin slipping is still well above Western leaders or government approval ratings. They only seem significant in comparison to his years-long outlandishly high approval.

I hear what you're saying, and I think we all know that Russia could go south in a hurry. But by any metric, the Russian govt and its president enjoy much more support from its people than USG or Obama do theirs.

And for good reason, I think.

Blogger Anonymous Robot September 30, 2015 3:03 PM  

and nearly 50% of the nation’s milk supply – much of it consumed raw.

Isn't it DANGEROUS to consume raw mill? (Cue scary music.)

in 2011, 51% of Russia’s food was grown either by dacha communities (40%), or by peasant farmers (11%). The remaining 49% of production was left to large agricultural enterprises.

Was the Holomodor an attempt to move agriculture from the hands of small farmers and into the large agribusinesses?

Blogger Anonymous Robot September 30, 2015 3:08 PM  

The NYT is claiming:

The Freedom Party’s strident anti-Islam message seems to have struck a chord in a city whose palaces speak of the bygone glory of a multiethnic European empire, and whose public spaces now attest to increasing diversity and a Muslim population of some 12 percent.

Really? The Muslim population in Vienna is 12%?

OpenID Steve September 30, 2015 3:30 PM  

Isn't it DANGEROUS to consume raw mill? (Cue scary music.)

The queen of England has drank raw milk every day of her 89yo life but she came from an area that evolution favored drinking milk of other animals, a niggerian prince on the other hand, not a good idea. That's why CA is broke but still has money to do door to door raw milk raids, they would rather jackboot than admit evolution matters. "sorry Timmy you cant share your glass of milk with your niglet friend, raw milk is like math he can't handle it"

Was the Holomodor an attempt to move agriculture from the hands of small farmers and into the large agribusinesses?

A Schroder's jew question. Was it an attempt to kill off smart people that are completion + loot their stuff or was it an honest attempt at what every socialist movement pretends to be, but fails? A lot of people from that region emigrated to Pennsylvania if you are ever in the state and see an ethnic festival ask one of the old people about the Holodomor. I have dated someone whose grandfather survived the Armenian genocide at the hands of moslems and another whose ancestors escaped the Holodomor while I was a healthcare traveler.

Really? The Muslim population in Vienna is 12%? You know who opened the Gates of Vienna this time. Welfare moslems are also trying to crowd Tours France also. What they couldn't get by war they now get by welfare/PC.

Blogger Alexander September 30, 2015 3:33 PM  

@73

Multiethnic it may have been, but you know... Hapsburg Vienna took a strong line regarding Muslims and the not letting them in the city...

NYT, nice false history they're trying to paint thar. Teh Muslims were always a part of Vienna! Racists now wanna change that!

Blogger Alexander September 30, 2015 3:35 PM  

@74

In America, there's only room for one historical event beginning with "Holo-"

OpenID Steve September 30, 2015 3:40 PM  

In America, there's only room for one historical event beginning with "Holo-"

The Holo-deck where Comander Riker was offered his own ship.

Blogger YIH September 30, 2015 3:50 PM  

Via ZeroHedge:
Propaganda War Begins: Russia's Syria Strikes Targeted US-Backed "Moderate" Rebels, West Says.
Yes, “relatively moderate rebel factions like al-Qaeda" (check the above, WSJ actually said that) which in July kidnapped the commander and deputy commander of the Pentagon’s ragtag group of US-trained rebels that was supposed to number in the thousands by now but has been reduced to just “four or five” men and which was humiliated last Friday when the remaining fighters were forced to surrender their pickup trucks and ammo to al-Nusra in order to “secure safe passage” to who knows where.
@66 Alexander:
I believe that Russia bombed people that Obama defines as moderate Syrians.
Remember, not only 0bama.

Blogger Michael O'Duibhir September 30, 2015 3:57 PM  

All the MSM networks, Fox News, American Spectator, etc., are denouncing Putin's actions (he's got to be doing something right, then).

Blogger Alexander September 30, 2015 4:30 PM  

@78

As the country should have learned in 2008 and has been learning the hard way ever since:

Not all ideas that are bad are supported by both McCain and Obama, but all ideas supported by both McCain and Obama are bad.

Blogger Dexter September 30, 2015 4:31 PM  

Was the Holomodor an attempt to move agriculture from the hands of small farmers and into the large agribusinesses?

Stalin's purpose was to generate hard currency in order to pay for the technology and heavy industry needed to mechanize the Red Army for future war. (Exporting grain during a famine - what a concept!)

Soviet victory in WW2 was built on the corpses of millions of Ukrainians who died ten years before Operation Barbarossa.

Blogger Fred September 30, 2015 4:37 PM  

I can't wait for the Russian press release that points out that no barrel bombs were used in these attacks against the jihadis.

Blogger Matamoros September 30, 2015 4:38 PM  

@70 - I agree that you are a "lying douche".

Russia does not feed itself regardless of the disinfo statistics from the Russian Statistics Service you quote. In Russia all statistics are manufactured as needed.

Virtually everything in Russia is imported, including food.

Ukraine was the Breadbasket of Europe, not Russia, before the Soviet Union destroyed it in the Holodomor.

Dacha gardens there are, in an effort to try and provide what is not available or affordable. But that is not agriculture, troll. Are you on the payroll?

@71
It is the group from age 35 up that supports Putin as they are not into the internet, and have no other sources of news. He has produced a siege mentality that Russians are afraid to challenge, but don't totally believe either.

Otherwise they would be anti-American, but they are not, remaining very friendly to Americans.

OpenID dreadilkzee September 30, 2015 4:55 PM  

Pardon my french but it is a pretty fucked up world when I find myself seeing Putin as a good guy who is protecting family values, actually fighting terrorists and not arming them, and his tone of protecting Russia makes him seem like the sanest man in power right now.

Blogger Hunsdon September 30, 2015 5:12 PM  

@83

Matamoros: Since you deny the validity of Rosstat information, could you provide other, less anecdotal evidence in support of your assertions?

From Bloomberg: Russia and the U.S., two of the biggest wheat exporters, are going head-to-head in a battle for customers. Russian shippers, with the advantage of a weak currency and falling freight rates, can undercut most competitors, selling their grain about 16 percent cheaper than cargoes from the U.S.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-09-03/wheat-glut-erodes-u-s-exports-as-cheap-russia-grain-wins-buyers

Blogger Patrick Kelly September 30, 2015 5:30 PM  

" could you provide other, less anecdotal evidence in support of your assertions?"

Excuse me while I don't hold my breath.

Blogger Patrick Kelly September 30, 2015 5:34 PM  

Russia should be our natural allies, and Putin is doing what the US should have done, support Assad against the ISIS goons and use it as leverage to influence him.

But no, we have to be the heroes to the rescue, get rid of another boogey-man-bad-smelly-evil-as-hitler-dictator to make Syria safe for idocracy, just like Iraq...how's that working out?

The US is the evil empire now.

Blogger thimscool September 30, 2015 6:23 PM  

The US is pursuing a strategy of dynamic instability and they have done it since the collapse of the USSR. The advance of technology, in the hands of the dictators and oligarchs of the various puppet producer states, rendered them able to inflict increasing mischief on regional politics and global pricing. To counter, the US (primarily) has used the same technology to foment unrest all the way to the borders of Russia in the north, and throughout the middle east after smashing the biggest ant mound.

Russia is acting forthrightly, but the cell phone videos will accumulate, grist for the propaganda mill. Putin has shrewdly played his hand, but if we double down then he will have to pedal to make it worth it. And that will be expensive.

Meanwhile, commodities are in a funk and there is a palpable distrust brewing among the biggest financial players, accustomed to covering each others bets, but increasingly reluctant.

Blogger The Other Robot September 30, 2015 6:42 PM  

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-09-03/wheat-glut-erodes-u-s-exports-as-cheap-russia-grain-wins-buyers

I am sure that is only imaginary wheat that Russia is selling.

Blogger Koanic September 30, 2015 6:44 PM  

African vs. Aspie. Who will win?

No doubt our wooly-pated pin-headed Magic Negro will bring home the prize... fool.

Blogger Koanic September 30, 2015 6:45 PM  

Meanwhile Putin charms the pants off China.

What, they don't believe in Affirmative Akshun?

Blogger thimscool September 30, 2015 6:57 PM  

The game of dealing with Russia and its 11 meridians is to first cage them: deprive them of a properly supplied Navy, deny them economic opportunities, court their neighbors and allies, and if they protest our advances, arrange for them to become failed states, with a tentacle or two staying in the pie. Force them to acknowledge their vast internal resources, but depend on us for their access to world markets.

Depending on how you look at it this effort has not gone very well, in spite of the dramatic collapse of the FSU states and their subsequent incorporation. Since Putin, Russia has identified our strategy and resisted. He is practical, so he elects to assert regional power, and Obama even mocked him for it. But in this case he is protecting a key base of operations to supply the Aegean and Mediterranean, and provide adequate southern firepower to ensure domination of the Black Sea and safe passage passage of supplies through the Bosphorus. In the absence of such Syrian southern support Russia would need to defend the Black Sea front door, rather than at depth. This is a deal breaker for them, just like Crimea. If they are either beaten or eroded here, then they will be effectively caged, unless the polar ice cap actually melts.

Putin is acting shrewdly, and give him credit. But he is also doing the only thing that must be done to save the Black Sea, just like Crimea. Which raises the question of whether he is playing into someone's plan.

OpenID Steve September 30, 2015 7:12 PM  

I am sure that is only imaginary wheat that Russia is selling.

If there was another Carrington Event level solar storm 80-90% of the US would die off, along with everyone that depends on US for AID/Food, but Russia would only lose its moslems & invaders. The Russian Dacha gardens are to prevent the ooooooooos from food control, they don't want to be in the position of the UK with non ethnic British in control of their big ports with little ports being destroyed as an island nation that historically got a lot of its food from the sea.

Blogger thimscool September 30, 2015 7:37 PM  

The end game, of course is either they will become the Canada of Asia, or they will be broken by stoking the old fires with China or other Asian powers. Nevertheless, a caged and hostile enemy occupying that territory could continue to be useful to other efforts to dominate east Asia.

To the extent that the Russians do become Canada, they will be diluted and dispossessed by immigration from east Asia anyway, to help develop the eastern oil and mines in that sparsely populated, warming tundra.

To the extent that they resist, they will be exposed to shunning and cajoling by the "international community", and they will be worn down and caged, drugged, and experimented upon. That seems to be the plan, anyway. And in many ways, it seems to be working. We won't really know until shit gets real.

Blogger thimscool September 30, 2015 8:21 PM  

The Russians have a way of expanding the horizons of our thinking...

Blogger Dexter September 30, 2015 9:00 PM  

Russia should be our natural allies

The American political elite has argued this - and actually attempted to secure an alliance with Russia - very consistently since 1917.

The track record of successful cooperation with Russia is... not impressive.

Naturally, American pinkos blame this on America. We didn't try hard enough! We should try again, and spend more money! We should prevent the stupid, obstructionist Far Right from complaining and interfering!

Which is pretty much what they say every time one of their foreign, domestic, economic, or social policies fails.

Blogger The Other Robot September 30, 2015 10:59 PM  

Meanwhile, the Attitudinal Healing Connection in Oakland has taken a hit as well.

Oakland Mayor Libby Schaaf said, “Attitudinal Healing Connection is one of the most heartfelt organizations in the city and provides hope and opportunity for young people and I know their people well.”

Do all politicians talk in meaningless platitudes?

Blogger Matamoros September 30, 2015 11:02 PM  

@85 Hunsdon

Here is a series of articles by a Moscow historian against the narrative - http://euromaidanpress.com/2015/09/30/popov-demolishes-last-krymnash-myth-that-crimean-anschluss-hasnt-cost-russia-anything/

There is plenty of information available in this regard that isn't from disinfo hacks.

@81 Dexter
You are correct, and may be the reason why Russian grain is being sold cheaply now. To provide needed hard currency to shore up the ruble and pay for Putin's military upgrades.

Here is a Russian Economists predictions - http://euromaidanpress.com/2015/08/14/russian-perfect-storm-oil-at-25-ruble-at-125-inflation-at-30/

@87 Russia should be our natural allies
That I agree with. The Russian people are a great people and deserve a shot at the good life and personal freedom. But the foreign excursions have knocked them back on their heels. Hopefully Putin will return to building Russia and drop his revamped USSR plans.

Anyone interested in why Eastern Europe (and Scandinavia) is in such a tizzy about Putin's moves in and out of Ukraine should read Thomas Theiner's articles, especially his "Peace is Over" series.

Blogger The Other Robot September 30, 2015 11:02 PM  

And, Fairbanks, Alaska largest September snowfall on record

I seem to recall that the Germans were surprised by the cold conditions in Russia in 1941. These next few years look to be cold as well.

Blogger The Other Robot September 30, 2015 11:11 PM  

We may get to see how well those S300s do against other air assets. That would be interesting.

Blogger Matamoros September 30, 2015 11:14 PM  

By the way, it is an interesting point that there is still no official private property in law in Russia; nor a market economy.

http://www.interpretermag.com/russias-market-mythology/

Blogger The Other Robot September 30, 2015 11:17 PM  

@98 Did you miss the bit at the site that says "News and Views from Ukraine"?

We can expect them to be biased. Perhaps you can provide a link to the NY Times as well? Maybe Walter Duranty has taken up writing from the grave about what an asshole Putin is.

Blogger The Other Robot September 30, 2015 11:25 PM  

@100

If the S300 is truly crappy, then Russia will not want to use it, because they will not want to kill any future sales.

However, if it is actually very good, then ...

Blogger LP999/S.I.G. Burnin' Up! October 01, 2015 1:51 AM  

Were-Puppy 51

In recent years Pres. M and Pres. P have turned towards God but I will have to research this further. Stateside, reviewing international news reflects Russia turning towards Christ with lesser affections for the State but for national pride for a Russia for Russians. However, given my hisotrical ignorance and some glaring issues I overlook, I can imagine Russia's neighboring countries might disagree with me further.

When I look at Pres. P, I don't see a immediate Gog or Magog event. I see a man who wants a godly future for his people whom understands islam, neoconic policies and their neoconic promotions of societal decline are not something Russians are willing to tolerate -

I dont know but it appears I am in for a education.

Blogger Jim Milo October 01, 2015 2:55 AM  

@98

>euromaidan

Got a non-Soros/CIA/Mossad source?

Blogger Joseph Maroney October 01, 2015 3:21 AM  

Anonymous Robot: "Isn't it DANGEROUS to consume raw mill? (Cue scary music.)"

Yes, it could get you invaded by the local SWAT team.

OpenID ymarsakar October 01, 2015 7:19 AM  

Chances are high that the Hussein Regime is lying about ISIL not being hit in Syria.

After all, they said the rebels in Libya were "moderates" and that Qaddafi had to go (for supporting Bush II and fighting against terrorism).

The rebels in Libya were AQ. The rebels in Syria, if they weren't before, are now ISIL.

Blogger Bryan October 01, 2015 8:00 AM  

From a 4th Generation War perspective, is this a good idea for Russia?

Chances are, air strikes will hit civilians, thus possibly drumming up more support for ISIS in the long run. Even if Russia's goal is just to support the government of Syria, this may be a short term gain that becomes a long term loss.

Blogger Hunsdon October 01, 2015 8:06 AM  

@87.

Patrick Kelly: I wish I could argue. America has gone off the rails. As the famous quote apocryphally attributed to Talleyrand goes, it's worse than a crime, it's a blunder.

Blogger Hunsdon October 01, 2015 8:07 AM  

@98

Matamoros: I asked you for apples, you gave me a lute.

Blogger JaimeInTexas October 01, 2015 9:24 AM  

Has Matamoros answered questions posted in @41 yet? If not, it is time that he answers or be blocked until he answers.

Here they are again: how often do you go [to Russia]? where do you go? how long do you spend there?

Blogger Dexter October 01, 2015 2:09 PM  

@108,

Russia doesn't give a shit about civilian casualties.

And Russia does not have to give a shit about civilian casualties, because all the civilians "angered" and "driven to terrorism" by airstrikes will wind up in Britain, France, and Germany, not Russia. (From that perspective, angry civilians are actually a plus.)

Blogger Matamoros October 01, 2015 4:27 PM  

@111

I can see you are another troll.

Here is your answer. None of your business.

@110

You have your answer. Look up the rest.


Where are you three based out of, the St. Petersburg troll factory?

I imagine it gets boring having to steadily produce disinfo, even though a lot is boilerplate.

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