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Thursday, September 03, 2015

Sailer solves the Syrian refugee crisis

It's a humane and entirely practical solution too. No more drowned little kids. Who could possibly object?
There’s much discussion in the press about where it would be best for Arab refugees from Syria to settle: Would they be best off in Munich? London? Reykjavik? Or Minneapolis? Which white people most need the blessings of diversity provided by Sunnis and Shi’ites? (Obviously, Syrian Arabs couldn’t go to other Arab countries like Qatar. Don’t be silly.)

The sophisticated reasoning of 2015 is that if you and your countrymen blow up your own country through your sheer mutual bloodymindedness, you therefore have an unassailable moral claim to inhabit the nicest countries on other continents. If you are a young fellow in your prime, why should you have to settle for a refugee camp in neighboring Turkey when there are Swedish girls unmolested in Malmo and English girls unpimped in Rotherham?

Think of the children!

Granted, most of the other times the West has imported lots of Muslims, we just wound up with dead cartoonists and gang-raped 12-year-old girls all over the place.

But, that’s irrelevant, because This Time Will Be Different!

Why?

Because. Just because.

Or maybe just because you shouldn’t mention the other times. It’s not nice.

Yet, it only now occurred to me that there is a place that would be ideal for Syrian refugees.
The Golan Heights. And, if necessary, Qatar. I understand that Hungary has relaxed its attempts to stop the invasion of its borders because it is planning to begin mass deportations of all of its illegal migrants soon. Perhaps the Hungarians can simply fly them to the Golan Heights. After all, they are mostly women and children seeking safety and a better life, so they couldn't possibly cause any problems there, right? I received an email from a Hungarian reader yesterday.
Very much looks like, that in a couple weeks Hungary will seriously close the border. As you may know, they are building a wall, which so far has been easily overrun, police are not even putting up resistance.

Meanwhile, they are changing laws, including some laws that need a "constitutional majority" in parliament, meaning that the army will have the right to intervene in border protection, looks like they will have the right to use teargas, rubber bullets, a net that can be thrown on an escaping person, police will have the right to search houses with no warrant.

They are making illegal border crossing a crime, punishable by instant deportation.

They will make makeshift camps right next to the border, crossers will be put there, not into camps that are inside the country. One spokesman (Gergely Gulyás) said that number of illegal migrants may go down to zero after Sept 15th.
This is a very good sign. Because if the mass deportations of migrants don't begin soon, worse things will before much longer. As for the humanitarians, note that 4,000 people have drowned trying to cross the sea to Europe this year. Thousands of people are dead because the humanitarians weren't willing to sink the first 10 boats and make it clear that no one would be permitted to invade Greece and Italy from the sea.

It's a good thing surgeons aren't humanitarians. "Well, I'd sure like to do something about that malignant tumor, but cutting you with a knife would hurt you so I can't do it in good conscience. Good luck!"

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Anonymous scalzifan123 September 03, 2015 8:01 AM  

He spells his name SailEr not SailOr

Blogger Mr.MantraMan September 03, 2015 8:21 AM  

Drudge is helping out to keep the Golan free of refugees, his bit in the propaganda wars is no doubt installing guilt in all the European circles.

Blogger Jourdan September 03, 2015 8:29 AM  

Your Hungarian correspondent is being over-optimistic. I know Hungary's government gives one reason to hope here, but they cannot take the steps outlined here without seriously crossing EU red-lines, which the Hungarian Government will not do and, if they did, the EU would not allow.

Given the Greek crisis ended with a whimper on page six of most newspapers entirely along EU-dictated lines, and given further that is replaced the entire Government of Italy with the merest flex of its muscles, one would think that the power of the enemy here would not be under-estimated or so badly judged.

There will be no resolution of this matter without the use of force. In short, we are in a revolutionary situation.

Blogger VD September 03, 2015 8:38 AM  

they cannot take the steps outlined here without seriously crossing EU red-lines, which the Hungarian Government will not do and, if they did, the EU would not allow.

Jourdain, you do know that France, Germany, and Italy are all already seriously crossing EU red-lines. Schengen is on the verge of falling completely apart.

Anonymous Catalogue of Unpleasantries September 03, 2015 8:43 AM  

The problem Hungary has is that it is already shunned in the EU, ever since Orban took power and decided to initiate some policies other than "always doing what Germany tells us to". They won't bow at the merest frown from Angela, but the EU has other means of coercion. If Hungary stands alone in this, they won't get very far. So far, only three other countries nominally support them on the migrant situation (Czech Republic, Slovakia and Poland).

My view is to do something entirely opposite. They all want to get to Germany? Let them. Let the Germans deal with the projected 800,000 coming in. They've managed to convert a system supposed to cripple them into one which always benefits them. The cost of the influx of "hard working refugees" and civil unrest among the populace might finally crack them a bit and force them to share power, provided other EU countries have sufficient balls to go through with it.

Plus, the ISIS soldiers among the immigrants are less dangerous if concentrated in one country.

Blogger Jourdan September 03, 2015 8:47 AM  

The Schengen regime is certainly preferred by the EU and its rulers, but it does not constitute a red-line, as evidenced by the UK and Eire opt-out.

Mass deportation of what it considers refugees and asylum-seekers is, as is any member state's serious moves to non-compliance, as your home country recently learned to its surprise.

Looking to a member state to impose this sort of action is more reasonable than expecting USG to "secure the border," especially in the case of Hungary, but it is still an error. Until patriots take up arms and take back their countries, the power they are facing is overwhelming and stifling.

As Maurras once said of France, "the real nation must take control before the legal nation kills it."

No doubt there is real anger in Italy and elsewhere over these barbarians' crimes. There was real anger in my home town as well as little girl after little girl was raped and murdered, as decent, ordinary people were wiped out by DUI after DUI thanks to our Mexican settlers. These cases meant nothing to those in power in Washington--in fact, they were widely mocked and jeered at, even on the "right"--and they mean even less in Brussels, Berlin and London.

Blogger dc.sunsets September 03, 2015 9:03 AM  

I can't stomach the network news, but when I accidentally left the TV running after watching local news for updates on a cop killer manhunt nearby I was treated to NBC's "Save the Poor Refugees" trope.

Apparently the Left-collectivists are doubling down on the notion that everyone in the Poor South can move to the Rich North because...justice, fairness, and sympathy!

Me, I'm wondering if the mass movement of hundreds of millions of refugees will alter the rotation of the planet. It might cause climate change (tm), too.

Blogger VD September 03, 2015 9:04 AM  

We will wait and see, Jourdan. You've made a prediction and we'll see how valid it is. I have no first-hand information nor do I have an opinion, I merely reported what my Hungarian reader said.

Blogger dc.sunsets September 03, 2015 9:10 AM  

Etienne de La Boetie proved in his Discourses that no regime survives without widespread consent of the governed.

All the necessary ingredients are in place to see a sudden and extreme inversion of political tolerance. It seems that the friction induced by the tsunami of cultural aliens is providing more than enough heat.

All we await is for the stew to boil. Time and heat, heat and time...perhaps "stew" is the wrong metaphor. Maybe this is more like heating ammonium nitrate, mixed with heating oil and a little nitromethane.

Heat, time and.....voila! Phase change. Suddenly the entire chain of command in the political system about-faces.

Anonymous paradox September 03, 2015 9:13 AM  

the humanitarians weren't willing to sink the first 10 boats and make it clear that no one would be permitted to invade Greece and Italy from the sea.


Sheesh Vox, be a little humane. No need to sink their boats and leave them drowning. A cruise missile and it's instantaneous.

Blogger Laguna Beach Fogey September 03, 2015 9:14 AM  

These just aren't Arab "refugees". A significant number are negroes from Africa.

Anonymous BigGaySteve September 03, 2015 9:18 AM  

The time when a Pym Fortune peaceful separation could happen is past, when nothing else will do use Vlad Tepes' spears.

I know Hungary's government gives one reason to hope here,

The govt doesn't have to do more than turn a blind eye when people do like golden dawn & toss illegals out of hospitals so citizens can be in the beds. Right now the only things stopping it are communist & jewish politicians calling people bad names. 2 years ago Hungary was refused the ability to let its people go to the UK to work, now they are helping keep 3rd worlders from the UK.

Blogger YIH September 03, 2015 9:25 AM  

I saw the Sailer piece, we know who's not going to allow Syrian refugees in the Golan right?
The same ones who've been pushing for war in Iraq, Syria, Egypt, Libya, Iran...

Blogger Salt September 03, 2015 9:28 AM  

The refugee-invaders will never leave due to government action as government has shown itself toothless. One may hope though; not set in stone. The problem government has is locals, people eventually acting within their regional areas and in their own interests. Once those encompass the whole of the country, you now have a national effort.

Blogger Jourdan September 03, 2015 9:33 AM  

VD - We will see, yes. But dc.sunset's point immediately following is really what we are waiting to see. As we saw with the Soviet Union, no state can survive the immediate and near-complete withdrawal of consent of the governed, no matter how strong its army or secret police are.

Will the Europeans reach this point with the EU and their liberal democratic states (as opposed to some form of nation-state)? I believe they will, but not until the situation gets much, much worse than that we are now seeing.

The good news for Europeans is that, unlike Americans, they have a history and a political rhetoric which allows for a relatively easy and foreseeable move to opposition. The bad news is that EU power, backed by U.S. power and, let's not forget, military occupation of Europe, is a very high hurdle to overcome.

However, on balance, there is more reason for hope in Europe than in America. I'm afraid our history has set up up for Latin Americanization without much of a struggle or fight.

Blogger Cecil Henry September 03, 2015 9:34 AM  

ONE Problem: AFRICA FOR THE AFRICANS, ASIA FOR THE ASIANS, WHITE COUNTRIES FOR EVERYBODY IS WHITE GENOCIDE!!

The West cannot be defined simply by the rejection of Islam or as a collection of legal norms. It is a culture created by a specific people and it will be destroyed if that people is dispossessed. Europeans everywhere have the self-evident right to secure their homelands for themselves, without regard to the claims others make upon it.



Diversity is a code word for White Genocide. Enough. Freedom now. Freedom from enforced, genocidal 'diversity'.

Nobody's flooding Africa with Non-Africans and giving them free health care, affirmative action and special privileges.

Only White Countries are doing it, only White children are affected, and only White politicians are allowing it.

Diversity = White Genocide = SICK!!!

Anonymous PhillipGeorge©2015 September 03, 2015 9:42 AM  

Vox you may be wrong from time to time but I think your mistakes are honest.
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/09/02/putin-spokesman-confirms-vt-charge-of-syrian-jets-story-hoax/
Perhaps the Russian defense of Syria is a CIA hoax.
I put a lot of questions in the "it's just impossible to know" basket.

Unless the West identifies, very quickly, with Christianity, it will remain an every man wants to shit in your bed situation.

There is no West/ there IS NO EUROPE without the Christian history of Europe.
cheers

Anonymous BGS September 03, 2015 9:42 AM  

news is that EU power, backed by U.S. power and, let's not forget, military occupation of Europe, is a very high hurdle to overcome.

This is what happens when the 69th light tranny division tries to stop violence.
http://funnyjunk.com/captain+sweden/funny-pictures/5302944/

Blogger Jew613 September 03, 2015 9:47 AM  

During the Six-Day war Moshe Dayan ordered that the IDF not expel any Arabs from the liberated lands. All the commanders obeyed the order except one, David Elazar commanding in the north disobeyed and in a single day expelled 97% of the Arabs and Druze. All it will take is a few patriotic officers in Hungary or any European nation to solve the problem.

Anonymous Geoff September 03, 2015 9:47 AM  

Meanwhile, the Canadian immigration minister is under fire for not letting more Syrians, especially after this photo hit the front page of today's national newspapers.

Blogger dc.sunsets September 03, 2015 9:47 AM  

As we saw with the Soviet Union, no state can survive the immediate and near-complete withdrawal of consent of the governed, no matter how strong its army or secret police are.

"The governed" includes the agents of the state who enforce political will. This is central to why consent is an absolute necessity.

A man whose office entails enforcing political edicts that generate vehement opposition will go home to find his wife angry, his parents will distance themselves and his kids will hate him even more than the typical teenagers.

No one stands before this. This, not "voting" (which can be endlessly managed, cheated-upon, etc.) is how societies change course. It is the result of inputs far too complex for central management. It is why we do not still speak Greek in all Western countries.

No man or group thereof controls the path into the future. We can, however, discern when a direction change is probable.

Blogger JartStar September 03, 2015 9:47 AM  

I can't help but wonder given the moral state of the West and particularly America on abortion alone, if we are seeing God's judgment being poured out on us and the West. We see from history that God withholds immediate judgment to be merciful, but eventually the judgement comes.

Blogger Sandymount September 03, 2015 9:53 AM  

Vox,

if I understand your position on economics you are quite an Austrian/libertarian (as am I).

This is hard to reconcile with what I take to be your implicit support of 'if you and your countrymen blow up your own country through your sheer mutual bloodymindedness, you therefore have an unassailable moral claim to inhabit the nicest countries on other continent'. As you know, what my government does is not what 'I' do. Methodological individualism would find it hard to fault a fleeing refugee by somehow suggesting he was responsible for what another group of men did.

Maybe I misunderstand your position.

Anonymous Hugh Despensers September 03, 2015 9:53 AM  

US has enough money to stockpile weapons and bailout Wall Street motherfuckers, but talk of helping out dying refugees who have nowhere else to go and suddenly its "NoOOOooo !! They Destroy 'Murica ! (bullshit) They destroy economy ! (Immigrants didn't fuck our economy jackass, we did. Unless I misremember Them Chinese and Indians causing subprime mortage crisis-now that I think of it, one Indian tried to warn us !) Dem Immigrants (again, nonsense), We can't do it !! ( of course we can; spend a little less on weapons and tax them MegaCorps a little more duh ) " and some other bullshit which can be categorised as xenophobic bullshit, ultranationalistic bullshit, NIMBY bullshit and just bullshit. The West built it's wealth on loot of the world people. The unimaginable comforts we think we're entitled to came (and still come) because our forefathers stole from the World.

Blogger Sandymount September 03, 2015 9:58 AM  

Out of interest, would you hold the same view with regards to the safe harbour Jews were granted in the War by various nations? Applying the reasoning in your post consistently, it would seem they should have been blocked behind German borders.

Blogger dc.sunsets September 03, 2015 10:00 AM  

If a ship sinks and the water is full of people, and your boat is in great shape but would be pulled under the waves if you began to pick up survivors, what do you do?

Blogger Jew613 September 03, 2015 10:05 AM  

Sandymount, Jews were not given refuge during WWII in any large numbers.

Blogger dc.sunsets September 03, 2015 10:09 AM  

The current refugee tsunami is in part driven by endless warfare fanned by US and European interests in gap pipelines, gas fields, and (in general) energy riches intersecting with geopolitical confrontations.

The next refugee tsunami will be the anticipated population explosion in Sub-Saharan Africa, which would be an open-ended flood from a region where removing population pressure would simply keep the flow going full steam.

Who in his right mind thinks this is possible? I thought the Lunatic Left was worried about overpopulating the Earth. Apparently they flunked high school biology's test on yeast growth curves, and how the log phase continues indefinitely if there's an outlet for the growing population.

Left-collectivist lunacy is crescendoing across the spectrum of potential insanity.

Blogger Salt September 03, 2015 10:10 AM  

@26 You leave them. The law of the sea is boat first. It's even codified as never hazzard the boat.

Blogger ScottD September 03, 2015 10:13 AM  

I prefer the solution I read the other day, give all of the migrants a one-way, non-stop train ticket to Brussels (or bus/plane ticket to Washington for US migrants).

Blogger Mr.MantraMan September 03, 2015 10:16 AM  

Nice try Hugh trying to justify genocide with your old worn "stolen" rhetoric

Blogger borderwalker September 03, 2015 10:17 AM  

@24: I hate to break it to you, but your completely-unsupported, inchoherent, semi-literate talking points aren't going to make much of an impression here, much less persuade anyone.

I'd say, "don't bring a rhetorical knife to a site known for dialectical gunfighting", but I'm not sure what you wrote even rises to the level of rhetoric.

Anonymous BGS September 03, 2015 10:18 AM  

The West built it's wealth on loot of the world people

The west built it's wealth with High IQ, that's why colonialism was the best for blacks Africa ever had despite all its resources. We also know who caused the real estate bubble of 2008 by forcing banks to give mortgages to blacks/hipsnaics with bad credi, with plans to socialize the debt.

The 5th president of Zambia Michael Sata said "We want the Chinese to leave and the old colonial rulers to return. They exploited our natural recourses too, but at least they took good care of us. They built schools, taught us their language and brought us British civilization. At least western capitalism has a human face; the Chinese are only out to exploit us."

Blogger beerme #0183 September 03, 2015 10:21 AM  

I prefer the solution I read the other day, give all of the migrants a one-way, non-stop train ticket to Brussels
Give them a ticket to Berlin. Break the Germans and the EU will follow.

Blogger Salt September 03, 2015 10:21 AM  

@33 Ah, yes... the road to Civilization.

Anonymous BGS September 03, 2015 10:45 AM  

Even Yahoo is reporting about the Hungarians bashing moslems on trains heading to camps.
http://news.yahoo.com/migrants-storm-train-budapests-main-station-police-withdraw-064748322.html#

The image of the drowned toddler on the Turkish beach could shift opinion on the continent, just days after 71 dead bodies were discovered in the back of a truck in Austria.

Maybe they should show pics of little white girls from south Africa to let the Boars immigrate.

Blogger YIH September 03, 2015 10:56 AM  

@23 Jew666:
Sandymount, Jews were not given refuge during WWII in any large numbers.
So that's why they won't help. Good to know.

Blogger VD September 03, 2015 10:58 AM  

if I understand your position on economics you are quite an Austrian/libertarian (as am I). This is hard to reconcile with what I take to be your implicit support of 'if you and your countrymen blow up your own country through your sheer mutual bloodymindedness, you therefore have an unassailable moral claim to inhabit the nicest countries on other continent'.

Libertarianism is only coherent on the national level. I've previously written about how I am a national libertarian, not a global libertarian.

Anonymous Donn #0114 September 03, 2015 11:00 AM  

Shut up, Tad.

Anonymous Porky September 03, 2015 11:05 AM  

No need. Glenn Beck is raising millions to bring them to the US. Via the Mexican border.

He's already close to $4M.

Blogger VD September 03, 2015 11:13 AM  

"Out of interest, would you hold the same view with regards to the safe harbour Jews were granted in the War by various nations?"

Of course. No nation was under any obligation to provide safe harbor to the Jews. It's not as if the Israelis are taking in any refugees themselves.

Blogger Sandymount September 03, 2015 11:18 AM  

I realise there was no obligation and what the Israelis are doing today isnt relevant to the logic of your position albeit amazing given the endless movies we have watched since WW2 lionising those that helped Jews get out of Germany.

Blogger Sandymount September 03, 2015 11:23 AM  

I am not sure how one can think the reason behind methodological individualism works at a national level but not internationally.

Are you a Christian (love your neighbour etc) only within borders but not across borders?

Is charity ever valid to another as one could easily argue (I'm over reaching here) from the reasoning in this post that using same logic it never is as the recipient will encourage rent seeking behaviour from others and make you economically worse off so better to let the potential beneficiary of charity die.

Blogger VD September 03, 2015 11:23 AM  

given the endless movies we have watched since WW2 lionising those that helped Jews get out of Germany.

The propaganda eventually fades as it keeps coming into contact with reality.

Blogger VD September 03, 2015 11:24 AM  

I am not sure how one can think the reason behind methodological individualism works at a national level but not internationally.

Vox's First Law. Think through the electoral demographics.

Are you a Christian (love your neighbour etc) only within borders but not across borders?

If someone lives across a border, he is obviously not my neighbor.

Blogger Sandymount September 03, 2015 11:26 AM  

I don't recall that caveat in the Gospels.

Anonymous Erik September 03, 2015 11:30 AM  

That caveat is in the meaning of "neighbor".

Blogger Sjonnar September 03, 2015 11:34 AM  

@24 Uh, that's supposed to be satire, right? Otherwise, I fear you may have clicked the wrong link.

Blogger Chiva September 03, 2015 11:34 AM  

In the Gospels there were aliens and foreigners.

Anonymous Porky September 03, 2015 11:35 AM  

I might send Glenn some money but I think a better use would be to use half of the money to pay the Jizya, and half to buy weapons.

Win win.

Blogger Cail Corishev September 03, 2015 11:35 AM  

If a ship sinks and the water is full of people, and your boat is in great shape but would be pulled under the waves if you began to pick up survivors, what do you do?

Obviously you jump overboard.

Anonymous Porky September 03, 2015 11:36 AM  

In the Gospels there were aliens and foreigners.

And Samaritans.

Blogger David-093 September 03, 2015 11:46 AM  

@Porky

Yeah I just heard him blathering on about it on the radio. Its disappointing because he used to be on fire, but now hes become just another treacherous republican.

Blogger Rabbi B September 03, 2015 11:48 AM  

"I don't recall that caveat in the Gospels."

Do you read for context? Where is immigration policy addressed in the Gospels? Please cite.

Blogger Chiva September 03, 2015 11:50 AM  

@52. The story of the Samaritan is very fitting. Look at what he did for the traveler, and what he did NOT do.

Anonymous Who Dat September 03, 2015 11:51 AM  

Yet only one of the Samaritans was good. And he was a hypothetical person at that

Anonymous Jack Amok September 03, 2015 11:51 AM  

I don't recall that caveat in the Gospels.

Why would any of us care about your interpretation of the Gospels?

Anonymous Porky September 03, 2015 11:55 AM  

he used to be on fire, but now hes become just another treacherous republican.

In Beck's defense, he is only bringing in 2000 Christians and thoroughly vetting them. He's not an open borders guy, but he's willing to exploit the open border to be a good samritan.

Blogger Jim September 03, 2015 11:55 AM  

Is charity ever valid to another as one could easily argue (I'm over reaching here)

That's the moment your brain told you were about to say something stupid. In the future, try listening to it.

Blogger ScuzzaMan September 03, 2015 11:58 AM  

Jourdan; there's nothing to hope for in terms of the ultimate outcome, for that is inevitable. The only relevance for hope is in being wise enough not to push the political pendulum (for that is what it is) too far in any one direction. Plainly, we are not ruled by a political class with sufficient wisdom not to do that. So the consequences cannot be avoided.

Our planning should be about how to (1) survive them, (2) profit from them, (3) be in a position to innoculate what remains against repeating them.

Blogger Cail Corishev September 03, 2015 12:00 PM  

Who in his right mind thinks this is possible? I thought the Lunatic Left was worried about overpopulating the Earth.

We're learning their priority ladder. Race trumps environment, easily. If not being racist means you have to deforest large regions of the earth and let the pristine park where you play Frisbee golf on weekends be overrun by rowdy Spanish-speaking picnickers, then that's just how it has to be.

I'm not sure anything trumps race, other than sexual perversion, of course. That'll always be #1.

Blogger darkdoc September 03, 2015 12:01 PM  

Hugh Despensers?

One of the truly despicable British pieces of unimaginable shit to ever grace the 1200's. And you pick his name.

He was tried, judged a traitor and a thief, disemboweled, castrated, drawn and quartered, and beheaded. He deserved more.

Watch the same thing doesn't happen to you here.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents September 03, 2015 12:06 PM  


I'm not sure anything trumps race, other than sexual perversion, of course. That'll always be #1.


Perverse sexual confusion? The trannies and the lesbians are clearly jockeying for position, and it's not clear who will come out on top...

Blogger darkdoc September 03, 2015 12:06 PM  

Correction - Hugh Deasshole died in 1326.

Blogger darkdoc September 03, 2015 12:10 PM  

Both Franklin D. Roosevelt, and George W. Bush can claim ancestry to Hugh Despensers. See how the shite just prospers.

Blogger Lovekraft September 03, 2015 12:18 PM  

heard a good counter-argument to the 3rd world/muslim invasion of white countries on S Molyneux's yt channel.

He argues that if sjws are so convinced that their progressive ideologies are so superior, then they should bring them to the 3rd world and arabia, not the other way around. Anyone with half a brain knows that importing a foreign, backwards culture into Europe is going to bring it down to the level of whichever ethnic group breeds more and gets the ear of the corrupt politicians.

So sjws, here's the question you should answer: why don't you keep immigrants where they are and bring your diversity and PC systems to their countries?

Anonymous Mudsack8 September 03, 2015 12:27 PM  

Hugh D. We [the West] created the wealth. People in the Middle East knew about petroleum, like, forever.... That nasty, smelly, black gooey stuff. Worthless except maybe to caulk boats, but quite a nuisance otherwise. Hugh D., it was not the owners of this black noisome goo who made the black noisome goo valuable. It was the West. We made them rich because we discovered how to use the black noisome goo.

Now, for your health and enjoyment, it is time for you to fellate a cactus.

Blogger Frank Brady September 03, 2015 12:29 PM  

In fact these people are not "immigrants"; they are refugees fleeing from the criminal violence spawned by the lunatic War Party's destabilization of the entire Middle East, the most recent and trigger phase of which was created by the George W. Bush regime and continued by the Obama regime. The War Party's efforts to resurrect Dick Cheney as an elder statesman suggesting refinements to U.S. policy in the region ought to nauseate anyone who's been paying attention. One wonders if the neocons ever thought their empire-building venture would lead to the collapse of the Eurozone's political structure.

Anonymous Bz September 03, 2015 12:36 PM  

If the choice is between exiting EU or destroying your nation, what to do, what to do? It is encouraging that Orban at least seems to be thinking about what is going on and acting on it.

It seems like a fair amount of desperation to start blowing up pictures of corpses, children no less, in order to push your insane viewpoint. Shame on the media and their concerted push. How about showing some closeups of Rotherham rape victims? No? They were children too.

Blogger Frank Brady September 03, 2015 12:39 PM  

@Lovecraft You wrote, "heard a good counter-argument to the 3rd world/muslim invasion of white countries on S Molyneux's yt channel."

Don't you mean "nominally (or formerly) CHRISTIAN countries? North African and Middle Eastern Arabs and Iranians are caucasians and therefore "white".

Anonymous Bz September 03, 2015 12:40 PM  

They are illegal immigrants who have found the term "asylum seeker", the secret word of power to make the West fall to its knees and obey their every command.

Blogger Jourdan September 03, 2015 12:44 PM  

This picture of the dead toddler will be a media frenzy.

From Mexicans arguing for more WIC to Arabs seeking asylum in Europe, one can always count on them waiving their dead or desparate children around. It's hateful.

Anonymous a_peraspera September 03, 2015 1:14 PM  

Even if bad leaders in the US, Europe and the UK did cause this migration, it doesn't mean whites are morally obligated to just lie down and let their nations get overrun.

The leaders' duty is to their own nations. If they won't listen to their people, perhaps they will listen to a rope and lamppost.

Blogger Frank Brady September 03, 2015 1:15 PM  

@Bz They certainly are illegal immigrants. However, what remains of "the West", especially the bi-partisan (and multi-national) interventionist War Party, bears considerable responsibility for unleashing the violence from which these illegals are fleeing. This situation has been in the making for decades, but imposing regime change on Iraq pulled the linchpin that held together the illusion of nation-states in the region, igniting a very short fuse.

Blogger Curtis September 03, 2015 1:15 PM  

@68

Yeah. Little known fact that some wish to ignore. Ya know, the War On Ter-er-er.

As for Dick "The Dick" Cheney and his minions, may they have a 24 hour massive heart attack and then just die.

We broke it. The right thing to do, is to go in to Syria, fix what we broke, and apologize to Assad and the Syrian people.

Anonymous a_peraspera September 03, 2015 1:21 PM  

Well Frank as I said, shit western leaders may bear some responsibility. The average white person on the street of the US or any European nation bears NO responsibility, because we have no influence over the foreign policies of our nations.

This mass immivasion is not punishing the shit leaders, but the average white person on the street who is losing his country NOW. Therefore it must stop, regardless of what some shit leaders did in the past.

Blogger Frank Brady September 03, 2015 1:22 PM  

@a-peraspera I'm afraid the war to preserve nations has long since been lost.To appreciate the magnitude of what we are facing, it is necessary to understand the difference between a state and a nation. The definitions of these two words have been deliberately conflated over the course of decades. Generations have been taught that state and nation mean the same thing. They do not. Failure to understand the distinction is the root cause of many problems.

-A state is a self-governing political entity.
-A nation is a tightly-knit group of people that share a common culture.

The common culture that bound the American nation together no longer exists and the same can be said, respectively, for most European nations.

Blogger Frank Brady September 03, 2015 1:28 PM  

@a_peraspera You wrote, ,"The average white person on the street of the US or any European nation bears NO responsibility, because we have no influence over the foreign policies of our nations."

Really? Why is that? Are national "leaders" in "the US or any European nation" not elected by their voters? Do those populations not support their policies with tax dollars? No, ultimately the aggregation of "average white persons on the street" is absolutely responsible for the crimes it allows to be committed in its name.

Anonymous a_peraspera September 03, 2015 1:41 PM  

@Frank:

Gosh, it's not often I see a leftist contradict himself so brazenly in two posts within six minutes!

In your 1:22 PM post you wrote: "I'm afraid the war to preserve nations has long since been lost...The common culture that bound the American nation together no longer exists."

Yes, now why is that? Because our "leaders" have abandoned the rule of law and no longer work toward the benefit of the American people. Hence they have lost the consent of the governed. America, AS YOU SAID, is no longer a cohesive nation.

Then in your 1:28 PM post, you wrote: "Are national "leaders" in "the US or any European nation" not elected by their voters? Do those populations not support their policies with tax dollars?"

As per your 1:22 PM post, the answer is NO. Voting means nothing, and the tax dollars are collected at gunpoint whether we support their policies or not. The tax dollars of US founding stock whites are taken by the elites to benefit themselves and their preferred population groups only.


Now go throw your piss-stained panties in the wash and log off this board until you can forget the memory of that throat-raping you just received...from your own words.

Blogger Frank Brady September 03, 2015 1:57 PM  

@a_peraspera I see that your inability to reason and make distinctions isn't confined to current events.

With all due respect (literally), I'm going to decline your invitation to "log off" this board. Quite a lot of good discussion takes place here, present company excluded. Just FYI, I am not now, nor have I ever been, a "Leftist". I am a recovering Republican who served as a Reagan delegate in his first run for President and I happen to share your evaluation of the worthlessness of voting in today's corrupt system. For more on this, please see http://gatetoliberty.blogspot.com/2015/08/last-chance-either-stand-with-evil-or.html, the point of which is that people who continue to participate in this corrupt system are responsible for its continuance. Tell me, are you still among the "lesser of two evils" enablers?.

Anonymous BGS September 03, 2015 2:21 PM  

How about showing some closeups of Rotherham rape victims? No? They were children too.

During the Cecil the lion 24/7 lamestream coverage 8yo white Madelyn was raped to death by a Hispanic in a sanctuary city & he was caught on camera throwing her body into a dumpster allowing cops to profile him. Why did the same places showing this kid not show the Mexican tossing an 8yo white girls dead body into a dumpster?

Blogger Danby September 03, 2015 2:29 PM  

@frank Brady
"...I happen to share your evaluation of the worthlessness of voting in today's corrupt system. "
" Are national "leaders" in "the US or any European nation" not elected by their voters? Do those populations not support their policies with tax dollars? "

I take it cognitive dissonance is not really a thing for you Frank?

Blogger Frank Brady September 03, 2015 2:46 PM  

@Danby--I don't suffer from it, but I do know cognitive dissonance when I see it. I think http://gatetoliberty.blogspot.com/2015/08/last-chance-either-stand-with-evil-or.html will be helpful for you.

Blogger Danby September 03, 2015 2:59 PM  

@Frank Brady
A link to another web site is not an argument. c.f. The Rules Of The Blog

So again, more explicitly this time, how do you reconcile your statement that I am responsible for the action of of my government because it is elected, with your statement that voting is worthless?

Because it looks to me like you're just striking a pose of superiority, without actually thinking about the matter. "I'm at once more moral and more cynical than you!" And striking a superior pose is not an accepted method here.

Blogger VD September 03, 2015 3:23 PM  

I don't recall that caveat in the Gospels.

Neighbor: "a person living near or next door to the speaker or person referred to."

That obviously precludes someone living in another country. So, are you a moron or a liar?

Blogger Curtis September 03, 2015 3:24 PM  

Well, elected or not, there is still that idea of throwing off the shackles. But that won't happen. The combined national opinion is like a salad bowl off word salad. And there are blogs. Individually, the individual may not be responsible. But collectively, yeah. But everyone wants to be an individual. It's safer that way.

Blogger Frank Brady September 03, 2015 3:30 PM  

@Danby OK. Since you insist--but it will require two posts.

The national election of 2016 is more than a year away, 457 days to be exact. Already establishment media outlets are filling the air with the unremitting mind-numbing noise.

On August 10th, ten carefully selected Republican Sock Puppets were on display as the Fox News channel aired what was billed as the first nationally-televised debate among GOP Presidential candidates. Matt Drudge reports that a record 24 million people tuned in to watch, lured by the opportunity to see billionaire reality-TV star and casino magnate Donald Trump in action. The heavily-promoted debate had all the excitement, substance and authenticity of a World Wrestling Federation championship match. Not to be outdone, the first nationally-televised Democrat Sock Puppet debate will be held on October 13th in a yet-to-be-disclosed Nevada city and will be carried by CNN.

None of this Kabuki Theater matters in the slightest. The "Two Party System" is a complete fraud, trotted out every four years to mollify us unsuspecting rubes. There is really only one political party and it is the Washington Party. It makes not the slightest difference whether the Democrat wing or the Republican wing of the Washington Party "wins" in 2016. The same criminal cartel will remain in power. Step-by-step, our oligarch masters will continue to:

-Systematically dismantle the Constitution and its Bill of Rights.
-Flood our cities and towns with millions of illegal aliens as it works toward granting them stealth amnesty.
-Attack traditional moral and religious values.
-Promote homosexuality and other deviant sexual behaviors.
-Support and fund abortion on demand.
-Engage in limitless deficit spending to fund blatantly unconstitutional activities.
-Intervene in medical and hospital care, destroying the private practice of medicine and inflicting tremendous economic damage in the process.
-Intervene in endless and unwinnable military conflicts that are none of our business.
-Commit war crimes in our name, killing hundreds of thousands of civilian non-combatants, including women and children, throughout the Middle East.
-Subvert governments around the world to impose "regime change".
-Secretly imprison and kill anyone, including Americans, without due process, anywhere in the world at the President's sole discretion.
-Torture prisoners using methods that violate the Geneva Conventions and the Constitution.
-Support the Federal Reserve's destruction of the U.S. economy and its currency.
-Confiscate and dispose of the private property of Americans without due process.

Blogger Frank Brady September 03, 2015 3:30 PM  

@Danby OK. Since you insist--but it will require two posts.

The national election of 2016 is more than a year away, 457 days to be exact. Already establishment media outlets are filling the air with the unremitting mind-numbing noise.

On August 10th, ten carefully selected Republican Sock Puppets were on display as the Fox News channel aired what was billed as the first nationally-televised debate among GOP Presidential candidates. Matt Drudge reports that a record 24 million people tuned in to watch, lured by the opportunity to see billionaire reality-TV star and casino magnate Donald Trump in action. The heavily-promoted debate had all the excitement, substance and authenticity of a World Wrestling Federation championship match. Not to be outdone, the first nationally-televised Democrat Sock Puppet debate will be held on October 13th in a yet-to-be-disclosed Nevada city and will be carried by CNN.

None of this Kabuki Theater matters in the slightest. The "Two Party System" is a complete fraud, trotted out every four years to mollify us unsuspecting rubes. There is really only one political party and it is the Washington Party. It makes not the slightest difference whether the Democrat wing or the Republican wing of the Washington Party "wins" in 2016. The same criminal cartel will remain in power. Step-by-step, our oligarch masters will continue to:

-Systematically dismantle the Constitution and its Bill of Rights.
-Flood our cities and towns with millions of illegal aliens as it works toward granting them stealth amnesty.
-Attack traditional moral and religious values.
-Promote homosexuality and other deviant sexual behaviors.
-Support and fund abortion on demand.
-Engage in limitless deficit spending to fund blatantly unconstitutional activities.
-Intervene in medical and hospital care, destroying the private practice of medicine and inflicting tremendous economic damage in the process.
-Intervene in endless and unwinnable military conflicts that are none of our business.
-Commit war crimes in our name, killing hundreds of thousands of civilian non-combatants, including women and children, throughout the Middle East.
-Subvert governments around the world to impose "regime change".
-Secretly imprison and kill anyone, including Americans, without due process, anywhere in the world at the President's sole discretion.
-Torture prisoners using methods that violate the Geneva Conventions and the Constitution.
-Support the Federal Reserve's destruction of the U.S. economy and its currency.
-Confiscate and dispose of the private property of Americans without due process.

Blogger Frank Brady September 03, 2015 3:31 PM  

@Danby Part II

Renouncing Evil as a Personal Moral Imperative:

Recent pubic opinion polls (sorry, Danby, but you'll have to go to my blog to see them) confirm the American people's loss of confidence in political institutions, political parties, and the establishment media. Donald Trump's standing in presidential candidate popularity polls is a direct reflection of that confidence loss. "The Donald" leads the pack precisely because he is not seen to be a politician.

Millions of Americans feel helpless as the oligarch's evil agenda is brutally implemented by elected officials in defiance of the Constitution and the people's wishes. Motivated by a sense of civic responsibility, many cast their ballots for "the lesser of two evils" every four years, hoping that this time things will change. Of course, their hopes are futile because, by federal law, the Republican and Democrat parties are in total control of ballot access. No candidate for national office can appear on the ballot without their approval. Both Republican and Democrat national parties are wholly owned subsidiaries of the Welfare/Warfare State, two heads of a single monstrous body. Both are committed to the same evil agenda and both serve the same master, That master is not the American people.

There is only one moral option: Refuse to participate! Don't vote for any candidates for national office. Mark that section of your ballot "NOTA" (for "none of the above").

It doesn't matter how much you despise "the other guy". Do not let yourself be rope-a-doped again. Even when your "lesser of two evils" candidate wins, you still lose. History and personal experience prove that our past participation, no matter how passionate, has done nothing to slow the advance of the oligarch's agenda. When we cast our ballot for candidates who are committed to that agenda, we facilitate evil and become complicit in it. Conversely, our deliberate informed refusal to vote for such candidates serves as an announcement that we will no longer participate in a corrupt and rigged system. We are withdrawing our grant of moral authority to act in our name, a step that should be of paramount importance to Christians and to all who believe in God's goodness and oppose evil.

Blogger Frank Brady September 03, 2015 3:32 PM  

@DANBY (Sorry, it took THREE posts).

Renouncing Evil as a Nonviolent Act of Revolution:

Even the most powerful totalitarian dictatorships must have tacit support from the people in order to stay in power. Authoritarian regimes almost never fall as a direct result of armed revolutionary action by opposition groups. Instead, although some violence may occur, they fall when the people withdraw their grant of moral authority to govern.

I happened to be watching television in December of 1989 when the Romanian dictator, Nicolae Ceausescu, appeared on the balcony of his Presidential Palace in Bucharest to harangue the furious revolutionary mob gathered in the square below. I will never forget the look of abject terror that flashed across his face at the moment he realized with fatal certainty that his regime was finished. He fled Bucharest only to be captured and executed by firing squad on Christmas day after a drum head trial. Although his overthrow was the most violent revolutionary act to occur during the collapse of the Warsaw Pact state governments, it was the loss of his government's moral authority, not armed force, that ultimately brought him down, To further make the point, the Soviet Union was never more powerful in terms of military firepower than when it finally collapsed with a whimper in 1991.

In June of last year, the Gallup polling organization reported that Americans' confidence in all three branches of the U.S. government has fallen, reaching record lows for the Supreme Court (30%) and Congress (7%), and a six-year low for the presidency (29%). The presidency had the largest drop of the three branches this year, down seven percentage points from its previous rating of 36%. If this level of antipathy isn't ringing alarm bells throughout the halls of power in Washington, it should be. These are pre-revolutionary numbers.


As this is written, the Internet is abuzz with widespread anxiety. Millions of people are sensing impending disaster. the exact nature of which is a matter of much conjecture. Theories about the nature of the feared disaster include:

-An imminent financial collapse.
-Declaration of martial law.
-A mass casualty event at the hands of a terrorist organization or foreign power.
-An asteroid strike or some other extinction-level event.

There may well be other theories that I have missed but, in any case, much of the anxiety is a direct result of inexplicable and unusual federal behavior, real and perceived.

The trends shown on the above graph and their downward trajectory are very likely the reasons that the federal government has been stocking up on ammunition and positioning military forces around the country. Although it is true that the United States government possesses the most powerful military force on the planet and owns incredible killing machines, it is also true that the people upon whom it must rely to pull the triggers have parents, siblings, and children who will be in harm's way should Washington attempt to impose its will on the population by force of arms. Ceausescu learned the hard way that familial ties trump military discipline when the chips are really down.

It is my hope that this post goes viral and is widely read. Should it come to pass that a national election is actually held on November 8 2016, perhaps the refusal of enough of us to participate in that farce will cause the oligarchs to experience their own personal Ceausescu-like "balcony moment" and head for the hills leaving "we, the people" to sort out our own affairs. Of course, in the event any of the worst-case disaster speculations come to pass, Washington may no longer matter but at the very least the condition of our souls will surely have been improved by our noble intentions

FJB

Blogger Danby September 03, 2015 3:48 PM  

So the net for all that verbiage is that by voting we implicitly endorse and legitimize the current regime, and therefore are responsible for it's actions?

See, simple really is better.

To the contrary, I would say that if elections do not matter, then participating in them cannot matter. The act of voting, having no effect, cannot convey the guilt of the effect that is denied. In choosing a less harmful dictator, one is not endorsing dictatorship, but rather seeking to ameliorate it's effects.

Refusing to vote would in fact have no effect on the outcome of the election, on the policies, longevity, or practices of the current system, and hence cannot be used as an excuse to avoid the guilt for the actions of the current system.

If voting cannot change the system, and not voting cannot change the system, the only effort left is violence. Which means, according to your standards (with which I do not agree, to be clear) that anyone who does not take up arms is complicit in the actions of the government. Claiming that refusing to vote somehow avoids the effect is a nice bit of self-deception.

So which is it Frank? Is it time to take up arms, or am I responsible for the effects of a system which I am not yet able to change? The moderate middle ground is not available.

Blogger Frank Brady September 03, 2015 4:12 PM  

@Danby. Sorry for the amount of "verbiage" but you either didn't read it (understandable because of its length) or completely missed the point so I'll repeat a salient snippet.

Even the most powerful totalitarian dictatorships must have tacit support from the people in order to stay in power. Authoritarian regimes almost never fall as a direct result of armed revolutionary action by opposition groups. Instead, although some violence may occur, they fall when the people withdraw their grant of moral authority to govern.

I happened to be watching television in December of 1989 when the Romanian dictator, Nicolae Ceausescu, appeared on the balcony of his Presidential Palace in Bucharest to harangue the furious revolutionary mob gathered in the square below. I will never forget the look of abject terror that flashed across his face at the moment he realized with fatal certainty that his regime was finished. He fled Bucharest only to be captured and executed by firing squad on Christmas day after a drum head trial. Although his overthrow was the most violent revolutionary act to occur during the collapse of the Warsaw Pact state governments, it was the loss of his government's moral authority, not armed force, that ultimately brought him down, To further make the point, the Soviet Union was never more powerful in terms of military firepower than when it finally collapsed with a whimper in 1991.

In June of last year, the Gallup polling organization reported that Americans' confidence in all three branches of the U.S. government has fallen, reaching record lows for the Supreme Court (30%) and Congress (7%), and a six-year low for the presidency (29%). The presidency had the largest drop of the three branches this year, down seven percentage points from its previous rating of 36%. If this level of antipathy isn't ringing alarm bells throughout the halls of power in Washington, it should be. These are pre-revolutionary numbers. History demonstrates that when the regime understands that the people have withdrawn their grant of moral authority, its supporters abandon ship. If that doesn't happen and suppression becomes violent, armed revolution is always the last resort.




Blogger ray September 03, 2015 4:27 PM  

Sandymount -- "Out of interest, would you hold the same view with regards to the safe harbour Jews were granted in the War by various nations?"


People from Africa and Arabia seeking general improved living conditions in Europe and America is not equivalent to a people under sentence of collective death from the Nazi state. Few of the current 'refugees' from Africa and Arabia are slated for intentional extermination based on their religious and/or cultural identity.

But then, the holocaust was just Joo Fakery too. Scamming for sympathy. See, I made your next post for you!

P.S. the Golan already is spoken for. Christians might want to put down the Game Controls for a minute and read the Scripture they supposedly believe in. Meanwhile, all the refugees can go stay in Vox Day's house. And call it New Israel. :O)

Blogger Frank Brady September 03, 2015 4:31 PM  

@ray You wrote, "Few of the current 'refugees' from Africa and Arabia are slated for intentional extermination based on their religious and/or cultural identity."

Actually, many of them ARE "slated for intentional extermination based on their religious and/or cultural identity" (Christians, Alawites, Kurds, etc.).

Anonymous Porky September 03, 2015 4:45 PM  

Thousands of people are dead because the humanitarians weren't willing to sink the first 10 boats and make it clear that no one would be permitted to invade Greece and Italy from the sea.

I don't really have a problem with death. I do have a little problem with murder, though.

Blogger Sandymount September 03, 2015 4:46 PM  

VD I may well be a moron but am not a liar.

We will have to agree to disagree about how the word neighbour was intended to be understood in the Gospels but it does seem that the Word of God being brought to all mankind was a lot more universal than technical quibbling about definitions of neighbour.

Blogger Rabbi B September 03, 2015 4:57 PM  

@96

Hope you're not calling VD a liar.

BTW, you never answered my question earlier? @54

Blogger Danby September 03, 2015 5:00 PM  

@Frank
Which again fails to actually address the issue at hand.Your claim is that I share the burden of guilt for the actions of the government under which I live, by virtue of the fact that I have at times voted. You seem to equate "vote" with "grant of moral authority." These are distinct concepts, and while related, are not the same thing. Once can easily grant moral authority without voting (a famous example would be Canadian NYT columnist David Brooks), and one can easily vote without granting moral authority (an example being most people who deny the validity of of our currently constituted system).
Of those crowds of people in Bucharest, how many had voted in the previous election? Virtually all of them. The act of voting had virtually no influence on the outcome.

In short words, your idiosyncratic definition of moral authority is not binding on others.

Blogger Frank Brady September 03, 2015 5:22 PM  

@Danby, I explicitly addressed "the issue at hand". You just didn't like the content of my address. That's your problem, not mine. Further, the definition of "moral authority" I applied is not mown nor is it "idiosyncratic". See http://definitions.uslegal.com/m/moral-authority/ among other places. Finally, if you don't believe that taking non-violent action to explicitly withdraw your own acceptance of the regime's legitimacy (which is what voting "NOTA" does), what do you propose to do? What do you imagine the oligarchs would conclude if millions of people did as I'm suggesting in the 2016 national election?

Blogger Frank Brady September 03, 2015 5:28 PM  

@Danby You wrote, "Of those crowds of people in Bucharest, how many had voted in the previous election? Virtually all of them. The act of voting had virtually no influence on the outcome."

True, but their act of withdrawing their grant of moral authority to Ceausescu is what caused his police apparatus to abandon him and quickly drove him from power. That spelled the end of the regime..

Blogger Danby September 03, 2015 5:43 PM  

What do you imagine the oligarchs would conclude if millions of people did as I'm suggesting in the 2016 national election?

Laugh. Do you really think they'd run and hide and cower in fear because a slightly smaller percentage of the electorate voted?

True, but their act of withdrawing their grant of moral authority to Ceausescu is what caused his police apparatus to abandon him and quickly drove him from power.

So were they responsible for the the crimes of the regime? After all, they'd voted.
And it was the implicit violence (backed up in the end with actual violence) of the crowd that took down Ceaucescu, not the mere fact that the crowd was there, withdrawing their support. The police stepped aside for the same reason. They were hugely outnumbered and had no effective path forward except surrender and joining the other side.

Blogger ray September 03, 2015 5:50 PM  

"Actually, many of them ARE "slated for intentional extermination based on their religious and/or cultural identity" (Christians, Alawites, Kurds, etc.)."


Not as a single ethno-religious group targeted by a weaponized polity using mass-scapegoat tactics. Therefore the comparison still fails. Mizzerably. And the attempted equivalence fails on multiple other levels, which I will point out if necessary. Not that truth will budge seared hearts.

I note the status of 'refugees' in America -- particularly the massive influx of Arabians into small-and-medium-town U.S. -- and I find few with death-sentences hanging over their heads. Instead, they often behave like entitled thugs.

Certainly some minority of persons within the current 'European Refugee' group ARE under legitimate death-threat. But not as a single group targeted specifically for extermination. They are not being rounded-up and shipped to kill-camps.

Not a very good try, even. I'm sure y'all will be trying again, though! lol

Blogger Danby September 03, 2015 5:59 PM  

Sorry, I misread your comment. I mean that they oligarchs would laugh.

Voter turnout since WWII has varied between 50% and 60% of eligible adults. With 220+ millions voting per cycle, that amounts to a natural variability of about 20 million. If they lost 5 million voters in a cycle, they would just chalk it up to natural variance, if they even noticed. If they lost 20 million, they would consider doing something to goose the numbers (or a way to fake it and lie convincingly about it).

As little difference as voting makes, not voting makes even less.

Blogger Danby September 03, 2015 6:07 PM  

Final point and I will drop the topic.
You may be satisfied that not voting is the moral choice, and your inaction makes you more pure and honest than the people actually trying to fight within the system. Others disagree. You don't get to accuse them of things they haven't done, nor tie up burdens to place on their backs by redefining their actions.

Certainly, your thesis that your lack of action is the more effective resistance has not been proved, one way or the other.

Blogger Frank Brady September 03, 2015 6:20 PM  

@Danby, I'm not the one proposing "inaction". You are. I'm proposing positive action to communicate the public's withdrawal of support for a corrupt regime. What are you proposing?

Finally, anyone who votes to keep corrupt politicians who kill, lie, and actively work to destroy a nation's culture is certainly guilty of communicating their support of those actions to the politicians who sanction them. Attempting to deny that culpability is not even arguable.

Blogger Danby September 03, 2015 6:27 PM  

@Frank
Fuck you.
I don't care, you holier-than-thou prick.
Go peddle your moral superiority to people who are in the market for it.

Blogger Danby September 03, 2015 6:29 PM  

In longer form, you say " Attempting to deny that culpability is not even arguable."

I just argued it. Don't tell me it's inarguable when I just argued it, jackass. Try dealing with the arguments instead of denying they exist, halfwit.

Blogger Danby September 03, 2015 6:30 PM  

And, for everybody else, yes, the Right has SJWs too, see above.

Blogger VD September 03, 2015 7:37 PM  

We will have to agree to disagree about how the word neighbour was intended to be understood in the Gospels but it does seem that the Word of God being brought to all mankind was a lot more universal than technical quibbling about definitions of neighbour.

You are a liar. The word "neighbor" is perfectly clear. Jesus did not say "love everyone as yourself". He said "love your NEIGHBOR" as yourself. He even asked "who was the man's neighbor" and the answer was not "everyone".

You're trying to twist words and invent meanings, while denying actual dictionary definitions. It is not "technical quibbling" to point out that you are perverting the meaning of a common word. There is no truth in you.

Blogger VD September 03, 2015 7:38 PM  

I don't really have a problem with death. I do have a little problem with murder, though.

War is not murder. Invasion is war.

Blogger Frank Brady September 03, 2015 7:42 PM  

@Danby You are hopeless. I am the exact opposite of an SJW. What do you think is communicated by continuing to play in game you know to be rigged? That is exactly what voting in this system does--unless, of course, you continue to believe that the answer lies in electoral politics. If you do, you truly are innocent.

Blogger Frank Brady September 03, 2015 7:44 PM  

@Danby Just saw a couple of your name-calling "lost the argument" comments, Just keep on voting an hoping. I'm sure it will all work out.

Anonymous BGS September 03, 2015 8:14 PM  

Into the argument of neighbors I would rather have David Duke the leader of the KKK for a neighbor than any black moslem. To have stayed out of jail during bath house Barry's reign he must be scrupulously law abiding, he also thinks gays are victims of JOOO brainwashing.

Anonymous Discard September 03, 2015 8:19 PM  

Voting, as I see it, is not about choosing rulers, it's about positioning ourselves for the awful times to come. Think of a plane going down, two engines out, and damaged control surfaces. Do you try to guide it to a survivable crash landing, or throw up your arms and let it hit a mountain?

Blogger Danby September 03, 2015 8:26 PM  

@Frank,
you keep on preaching a gospel of active-inaction, doing the one thing that will have exactly no effect on anything in this world, and telling your self that it will make the oligarchs cower in fear, you magnificent bastard.

No, name calling does not "lose the argument". Contrary to what you learned in kindergarten, name calling is perfectly justified when the opponent behaves as you have behaved. I particularly like how you dismissed my enunciated arguments as not existing. That was special.

You are indeed and SJW, given that you are incapable of functioning at the logical level, you believe that a purely political question is inarguably a moral matter, and in fact a damning sin, if someone does not believe and behave as you demand.

Think for once in your life, dammit.

Anonymous Discard September 03, 2015 8:28 PM  

27. Jew 613: Out of the 525,000 Jews in Germany, 280,000 fled before WW2. Of the 280,000, 240,000 came to the U.S. Are those not large numbers of Jews given refuge?

Of course, after the war started, the Nazis did not allow jews to leave the lands they occupied. We couldn't take in refugees who remained far behind enemy lines.

Anonymous Porky September 03, 2015 9:32 PM  

War is not murder. Invasion is war.

I just don't see Christian refugees as invading warriors.

Blogger Danby September 03, 2015 10:02 PM  

@Porky
Your lack of vision is not our guilt trip.

Blogger Frank Brady September 04, 2015 12:00 AM  

@Danby, You are hilariously "special". Good luck with that.

Anonymous Frank Brady September 04, 2015 12:15 AM  

@Danby, if you truly believe that political issues have no moral aspect no more need be said.

Anonymous Jack Amok September 04, 2015 12:21 AM  

The migtow, whether his impotence is with women or politics, always virtuously goes his own way.

One only wishes they could go their own way without being quite as loud about needing the rest of us to go along with them.

Anonymous A. Nonymous September 04, 2015 12:43 AM  

This picture of the dead toddler will be a media frenzy.

From Mexicans arguing for more WIC to Arabs seeking asylum in Europe, one can always count on them waiving their dead or desparate children around. It's hateful.


I seem to recall that the old Middle East hands used to warn tourists not to give money to crippled child-beggars because most of them were deliberately maimed by their masters to elicit greater sympathy (and thus hand-outs) from potential marks.

Blogger Sandymount September 04, 2015 8:06 AM  

VD,

I dont want to get into a long back and forth but if you are going to go down the road of literal interpretation of every word in the Biblical texts you know you will get into tricky spots as a lot of what was said could only be understood in the terms of the spirit of the passages.

I find it hard to believe that if Jesus were alive today he'd be as Pharisaic about it all. Remember he mocked them for ignoring the Spirit of the Word and getting lost in technicalities.

Your final comment about 'there is no truth in me' etc is just uncalled for and I wish thoughtful bloggers didnt turn into rude 15 year olds in their own comboxes. It is disappointing.

I enjoyed TIA by the way which I just finished. An interesting approach to the new atheists and I will send copies to smug atheist friends who could use a look at the data they throw around a little more critically. Thanks for that.

Anonymous Porky September 04, 2015 9:53 AM  

Your lack of vision is not our guilt trip.

As if I cared about your feelings, snowflake.

Anonymous John Smallberries September 04, 2015 10:18 AM  

Dead babies are always good propaganda.

If you'll recall, the photo of a firefighter holding a dead baby in the aftermath of the OKC bombing of 1995 pretty much by itself derailed the nascent militia movement that was growing in response to Federal malfeasance during the Ruby Ridge and Waco incidents.

No doubt this photo will be used for a similar purpose, that of derailing the growing momentum of the anti-invasion movements in European countries, but the situation me be too far along for that.

Given the power of such images, it's why one never sees the child victims of immigrants (DUI crashes, rapes, murders) in the press. Rotherham is an excellent case in point.

Anonymous Discard September 04, 2015 1:25 PM  

125. John Smallberries: Foreign Lives Matter, don'ja know?

Were someone to distribute photos of the bodies of the old Sicilian couple recently murdered by the African "refugee", they'd be shamefully taking advantage of a tragedy.

Anonymous Cheech And Chong Found God September 05, 2015 9:24 AM  

Indeed, who is a man’s neighbor in a Christian context? One who takes the time despite the potential risks to stop and care for man. “So which of these three do you think was neighbor to him who fell among thieves? He who showed mercy on him. Go and do likewise” (Luke 10:36-10:37).

A neighbor can be one who in a social context is the family who lives next door to you or in your block, or in your community. From a geographical perspective, a neighbor is can be an actual country--”Canada is a neighboring country of the United Staes”. From a Christian point of view, your neighbor is anyone who needs the saving news of salvation.

Anonymous Discard September 06, 2015 9:42 PM  

Cheech: Come back when you have taken a Syrian family into your own house and accepted full financial and legal responsibility for them. Buy their groceries. Pay their medical bills out of your own pocket. Pay all schooling costs. Go to jail when young Muhammed steals a credit card number. Or shut up, hypocrite.

Anonymous Cheech And Chong Found God September 07, 2015 9:57 AM  

Exactly what my church does.

So much hate in you, Discard. Seek help through the Lord.

Anonymous Discard September 07, 2015 12:45 PM  

Your preacher goes to jail when your Syrian steals? Your church pays for his schooling? No, they don't.
Do they live in a member's house, or do you put them in an apartment so that you don't have to live with their Middle Eastern ways? Are they going to fix them up with jobs that unemployed Americans need? Or will you give up your own job?

Moral posturing is all you've got. You may pay for groceries, until their EBT card comes in the mail. Put them up, until the housing subsidy arrives. The bulk of all costs are paid by others. Hypocrite.

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