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Thursday, September 03, 2015

Sneaky little hobbitses

Nero's reflections after a year of covering #GamerGate:
Despite the common stereotypes of gamers as losers, nerds and shut-ins, gamers proved to be the perfect opponents for cultural authoritarians. The left relies on destroying the reputations of their opponents — but how do you destroy the reputations of people who have been ridiculed as often as gamers? When you’re already hated by the left, the right, and the media, the only way to go is dank.

Gamers also benefited from being one of the few genuine grassroots communities, with few leaders and no official structures. Unlike the tedious “movements” that regularly emerge from college campuses – whether Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) or Slut Walks – the gamers have no radical ideology.

They are ordinary, in some cases really quite apolitical, people, brought together by a shared hobby. They have no grand social objective beyond protecting the medium they love from authoritarian scolds and they cannot be neatly categorised.

The more you try to paint gamers as basement-dwelling straight white nerds, the more paraplegic black lesbian World of Warcraft addicts come tumbling out of the woodwork. (Is that offensive to dykes? I have no idea. Nor would the lesbians in GamerGate give a flying toss.)

One of the features of GamerGate is that it includes people from every background imaginable. A survey on GamePolitics found a broad mix of liberals, conservatives, and libertarians. Gamers don’t care if you’re black, white, gay, straight, or disabled. All that matters is that you know how to game. They’ll even welcome right-wing bastards like me.

That kind of diversity and tolerance — the genuine kind — frightens cultural authoritarians, not just because they are so mercilessly intolerant to their opponents, but also because it undermines their view of the world. Gaming is that most hated of words in identity politics: a meritocracy. Who you are is unimportant. All that matters is what you know, what you can do, and if you’re being honest with yourself and others about those two things.
It's interesting to see how many people who actually take the time to listen to #GamerGate, pay attention to the interactions between #GamerGate and our enemies, and learn the substantive issues involved eventually end up declaring themselves full-fledged members of #GamerGate.

So, welcome to the Shire, Gandalf the Gay.

The one thing that the SJWs simply did not understand is that for the average gamer, the gamer identity supersedes all his other identities. Oliver Campbell is a black GAMER. Brixton is a female GAMER. I am a Native American GAMER. The SJWs misapplied their identity politics to the subject; they assumed race and sex, the identities we did not choose for ourselves, were more important than the identity that every single gamer has chosen and made his lifestyle. They focused on the adjectives, never realizing that what we value is the noun.

Meanwhile, the SJWs are, in addition to opposing #GamerGate, standing up for tranny pedophiles. Seriously. And to think there were those who thought I was going too far when I referred to Mr. Sandifer as Peddy Phil.

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Blogger Danby September 03, 2015 2:25 PM  

Y'know, for someone with a PhD, ol' Pedo Phil is certainly a stupid add.

I still say he's a couple of lost internet arguments away from either getting a windowless van and painting "FREE CANDY" on the side or cutting his own nuts off. Or maybe both.

Blogger ScottD September 03, 2015 2:27 PM  

I take pleasure having played a part in PedoPhil outing himself.

Anonymous Stingray September 03, 2015 2:28 PM  

the gamer identity supersedes all his other identities

Victim supersedes all their other identities. Which is why they will eat themselves.

And, as predicted, the pedos are the new victims du jour. It's disgusting.

Anonymous fish September 03, 2015 2:31 PM  


1. Danby September 03, 2015 2:25 PM

I still say he's a couple of lost internet arguments away from either getting a windowless van and painting "FREE CANDY" on the side or cutting his own nuts off. Or maybe both.


Lets hope he chooses the former to prevent the latter.

Blogger ScottD September 03, 2015 2:34 PM  

Also, doesn't PedoPhil's belief that trans people are more likely to be paedophiles owing to difficult childhood experience undermine the left's shrieking whenever the subject of gay men and paedophilia comes up?

Blogger Salt September 03, 2015 2:35 PM  

Mike Cernovich has something, re: Peddy Phil et al.

Anonymous Anonymous September 03, 2015 2:37 PM  

Proof that we should have never closed the mental institutions.


Jalor

Anonymous fish September 03, 2015 2:40 PM  

Crap.....latter to prevent the former.......!

I need an editor!

Anonymous Northern Observer September 03, 2015 2:41 PM  

"Also for the record, lots of trans people have really complex and fraught relationships to childhood, what with missing theirs and all." — Phil Sandifer (@PhilSandifer) September 1, 2015

What are you talking about Phil? Childhood doesn't really exist, remember?

"Also, for the record, the modern notion of childhood was invented by the Victorians, and like everything else they invented, was a fetish" — Phil Sandifer (@PhilSandifer) September 1, 2015

Blogger Student in Blue September 03, 2015 2:41 PM  

Crap.....latter to prevent the former.......!

Well, he already has them cut off metaphorically and mentally, so it's not that much further to go ahead and take care of the physical side as well.

Anonymous JN September 03, 2015 2:43 PM  

Gamers write songs about games.

Not a pic from Steve

Anonymous JN September 03, 2015 2:45 PM  

Visit W3Schools

Anonymous Gecko September 03, 2015 2:45 PM  

I guess it works if his audience is more familiar with the movies, but I think Milo is forgetting what Saruman did to most of the Shire.

Anonymous BGS September 03, 2015 2:46 PM  

PedoPhil's belief that trans people are more likely to be paedophiles owing to difficult childhood experience undermine the left's shrieking whenever the subject of gay men and paedophilia comes up?

All of the trannies that grew up around Phil probably had difficult childhood experiences.

Blogger Danby September 03, 2015 2:48 PM  

@BGS,
"All of the trannies that grew up around Phil probably had difficult childhood experiences."

At least, the ones who survived.

Blogger tridekka September 03, 2015 2:55 PM  

I take pleasure having played a part in PedoPhil outing himself.

I wasn't aware of him until just very recently. Any links to your involvement/proof that he's a pedo? He's sure got the look down, and the blog posts the cops investigated him for sure don't help the case, but that's not proof in my book.

Blogger Danby September 03, 2015 3:03 PM  

@Tridekka,
To be clear, we do not have any evidence that Phil is a pedo. Not even a little. Just the look he voluntarily adopted, the fact that he explicitly supports and excuses self-confessed pedophiles, and the way he creeps everybody out.
Pedo Phil is short for Pro-Pedo Phil the supporter of Pedophile Trannies.

Blogger ScottD September 03, 2015 3:08 PM  

@tridekka

If you scroll in his timeline, I was the one asking him the bases for his support of Nyberg. I was pushing him to admit that even if Nyberg's chat logs were genuine, and even if Nyberg was not joking, he would still support the paedophile.

Anonymous SS September 03, 2015 3:09 PM  

Found this from the Cernovich link

"Except you Kluwe, you are creepy...next time wear a dress like the rest of us"

Anonymous Stickwick September 03, 2015 3:25 PM  

I had a somewhat negative view of video games and gamers prior to GamerGate. But you know what? Now I have unqualified respect. SJWs can suck it.

Anonymous mistaben September 03, 2015 3:26 PM  

The other day Alexander pointed out that "Peak Hilarity is always one more crest away!" Perhaps there is no one true peak and we're approaching a Singularity of Hilarity. An Hilargularity, if you will.

I, for one, will welcome our new Transcomedy Overlords.

Blogger Russell (106) September 03, 2015 3:37 PM  

Gamers learned to give zero fucks when it came to our hobby.

It took GamerGate to show us how to turn that towards the SJW Thought Police.

GamerGate: Teaching gamers how to give zero fucks.

It's like a mini-red pill.

Anonymous Wyrd September 03, 2015 3:39 PM  

OT: Christians in the US are now being jailed for their faith:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2015/09/03/rowan-county-ky-court-clerk-marriage-licenses-gays/71635794/

Judge rules the State is greater than God.

Blogger Keith Glass September 03, 2015 3:42 PM  

A few days ago, a techie guru of long acquaintance, but zero connection to gaming or fiction (hint: she and her husband escaped the Church of Scientology decades ago. . ) had shared something from a "women in IT" list she subscribes to, about that con artist, Anita Sarkeesian.

I countered by stating that she was a con artist making a mint in her current scam, and backed it up with a video clip of Sarkeesian: a 2013 interview claiming she was a "life-long gamer", and a 2010 lecture where she stated that "she had little interest or experience with gaming".

I was branded a "gater" within minutes.

So. . . where do I officially sign up ? I mean, if a woman has said it, it MUST be so, isn't that what all the academics say ??? (evil grin)

Blogger Rabbi B September 03, 2015 3:44 PM  

"Judge rules the State is greater than God."

Thanks Wyrd.

Anonymous Donn #0114 September 03, 2015 3:51 PM  

Wyrd @23 No this must be a lie. I heard on good authority that nobody would be jailed for no facilitating gay marriage. Took them less than a year to break their word. What's next? Some guy will be shot by marshals for refusing to go quietly.

Blogger Jay Lucas September 03, 2015 3:56 PM  

Rule #3 - Projection

https://twitter.com/PhilSandifer/status/639290832386945024

Peddy Phil - "I tend to imagine Milo as one of those leering henchmen who wants nothing more than to lick his master's boots and torture people."

As for the pedosexual-SJW overlap? Just start a meme where people claim to identify as children so they can't "molest other children." They can only "explore and express their feelings" with them. Because logic. Remember how recently transracial was a joke? Child-Hearted people will be on CNN, being taken seriously in a year or two.

If I were clever, I'd say something about how the road to civil rights is paved with satire. I just wish I knew what the road to civil responsibilities was paved with.

SJW's are pretty good zombies. As long as you shamble around moaning for "Braaaaaains?" They don't notice they stench of your pedosexual agenda.


Anonymous Joe September 03, 2015 3:59 PM  

"So, welcome to the Shire, Gandalf the Gay."

Ian McKellen says thank you.

Also, as a sci-fi fan and occasional gamer, I want a lock of Nero's hair preserved in crystal. And another for Big Gay Steve.

Blogger Kentucky Packrat September 03, 2015 4:22 PM  

OT: Christians in the US are now being jailed for their faith:

I can't espouse a lot of sympathy for her. Kentucky law only obligates a County Clerk to issue a marriage license to a woman residing in the county who is over 21 or is already a widow. She could have just said "Kentucky doesn't require me to issue a license to you, whether or not you're gay, and I am not."

She also could have argued that Kentucky doesn't have a marriage law, because the Supreme Court ruled that Kentucky's law is unconstitutional.

Finally, she could just resign.

That said, there are limits to what this federal judge can really do. He can't vacate her office. There's no way in torment that the Kentucky House will vote to impeach her (no Kentucky Democrat wants that albatross), much less the Kentucky Senate would convict. I WANT to see Jack Conway prosecute her for dereliction of duty (and you thought Aqua Buddha was the heights of campaign self-destruction....).

This lady is doing a respectable SJW-counter: I don't care, and you can't make me.

Blogger Anthony Gillis September 03, 2015 4:27 PM  

"Milo is gay? But, I always thought that homophobic dudebro spent his time seducing racist blonde cheerleaders with his oh-so dreamy eyes and nice hair."

-John "Curious" Scalzi

Anonymous Wyrd September 03, 2015 4:39 PM  

Finally, she could just resign.

VD's book SJWs Always Lie addresses exactly why this is the wrong approach. Pushing out Christians in government positions is exactly what these cretins want, and her resigning would allow them to look innocent in the process. By her going to jail, she is forcing their ruthlessness out in the open.

Pray for our sister in Christ who is now in captivity, folks.

Blogger buwaya September 03, 2015 4:47 PM  

I really don't understand the "gamer" identity. Its properly just amusement, not a life, and If it is a life, an identity, for some, there is something wrong.
Not to say gamergate is wrong, as far as it goes, but wow, does it come across as misapplied commitment. We now have 100,000+ jobless coal miners, as a result of genuine government mealfeasance driven by ideological fanaticism, with 1/100th the attention paid.

Blogger Rabbi B September 03, 2015 4:52 PM  

"By her going to jail, she is forcing their ruthlessness out in the open."

Agreed. Creates an opportunity and forces the powers-that-be to deal with it.

He who loses his life for My sake will gain it.

OpenID basementhomebrewer September 03, 2015 4:57 PM  

@ 29 It has been reported that she was not issuing any licenses. That is why two straight couples were on the suit against her. Another point that she has made but stories are down playing is that these couples can get a marriage license from any other county clerk in Kentucky and they are trying to force her to be the one to do it. They are doing this while claiming that they are "humiliated and embarrassed". She has played this thing well it's just the media is purposely dropping the details of what has occurred.

I will also note that there are not many news stories putting a party label after her name. The SJWs are gaining useful idiot Democrats to their cause in this case without those Democrats realizing the clerk in question is a Democrat herself.

The character assassination machine has started up on this woman while we know precious few details about her accusers are being uncovered. I would not be surprised if they turn out to be less than model citizens themselves.

Blogger Carl Philipp September 03, 2015 4:57 PM  

@32 I think it's partly because it has been vilified as a hobby for so long, people who hold on to the hobby treat it as more important than if it was viewed neutrally or favorably.

Blogger VFM bot #188 September 03, 2015 4:58 PM  

OT: Has the gaming industry ever considered old people as an underserved market? Do old people play games? Probably not, since personal computers didn't exist for most of our lives, ditto for the Internet.

But old people have money, time, possibe interest, and often end up alone, lonely, and house-bound. Potential gamers? After all, on the Internet nobody knows you're a dog...or an old fart. Is this an invisible unserved gaming market?

Blogger CM September 03, 2015 5:05 PM  

Vfm #188 -

My FiL is a gamer... 60+ years old. He saw a gaming system playing pong on his honeymoon cruise and has been into it ever since. But he's an electrical engineer, so it was never too far from his natural inclination.

I did have a WoW guildmate who was about 50 who had a retreat hunting cabin. He was a good player, too. And very well respected in our group. So yes, old people can be gamers.

Blogger Russell (106) September 03, 2015 5:05 PM  

@32 We don't care what you think.

Anonymous JN September 03, 2015 5:07 PM  

@36 Define old.

Blogger CM September 03, 2015 5:08 PM  

VD's book SJWs Always Lie addresses exactly why this is the wrong approach. Pushing out Christians in government positions is exactly what these cretins want, and her resigning would allow them to look innocent in the process. By her going to jail, she is forcing their ruthlessness out in the open

I hadn't considered this.

Some liberal college friend (lawyer) also posited if she can be compelled to follow the law under threat of impeachment, what about our president wrt immigration laws?

Anonymous Krul September 03, 2015 5:08 PM  

@36
Before long, I expect that gap to fill itself naturally. You don't expect a lifelong gamer to stop gaming just because he hits 50, do you?

Blogger CM September 03, 2015 5:10 PM  

@36 Define old.

I'd go with old enough to have grandkids controlling for teen pregnancies...

Blogger CM September 03, 2015 5:12 PM  

Before long, I expect that gap to fill itself naturally. You don't expect a lifelong gamer to stop gaming just because he hits 50, do you?

Agree.

Blogger Student in Blue September 03, 2015 5:17 PM  

OT: Has the gaming industry ever considered old people as an underserved market?

Yes. Wii marketing was marketed towards people of every age and type, but it was very noticeable how often Wii advertising had old people using its equipment as compared to other consoles' advertising.

OpenID cglasgow99 September 03, 2015 5:19 PM  

@32 -- This may surprise you, but you don't live in a world where everybody cares only about the same things that you do.

Now please go move somebody else's goalposts, we like ours right where they currently are.

Blogger Student in Blue September 03, 2015 5:20 PM  

So, while Sony and Microsoft try to compete directly, head-to-head, for the demographic that spends and plays the most (20-ish men), Nintendo angled for everyone else they weren't aiming for.

Blogger Quadko September 03, 2015 5:21 PM  

@32 (@35 @38)

Replace "gamer" with "golfer" and see how many CEOs will let you pry their clubs from their cold, dead hands...

Golfers, hunters, musicians, model airplanes, ham radio, train sets, historical reenactments, whittling, scrimshaw, amateur sports leagues, writing, reading, staring deeply into the fire... games are just another thing humans passionately do with leisure time as humans have for all of history. Leisure activities are our identities for humans because we get to choose and invest ourselves in it. But gamers get glow-y lights and leverage modern electricity FTW!

And, for me, it's always funny to hear an avid golfer whine about gamers wasting time meaninglessly. But that's why gamers don't care what you think, since they're part of the broad stream of human history - but aren't sure about where you fit if you don't have your own leisure choices.

Blogger Harsh September 03, 2015 5:22 PM  

@32

/facepalm

It's like some people learn absolutely nothing here.

Blogger Chiva September 03, 2015 5:23 PM  

Do old people play games?

Hell yes.

Blogger Plump Pleasant Plumber September 03, 2015 5:24 PM  

I'm almost 60. I was off into Oblivion for quite a while. Skyrim seemed too easy in comparison. Mass Effect 1 was harder than the others. GTA4 was a true criminal romp, no doubt. May go back some day, but I've a lot going on in my life right now.

Being a fervent student of history, I know that civil insurrection is coming. Always have considered the Spanish Civil War as a template to what's coming.

Vox is right about this.....this is actually a fight to the finish. Best die on your feet than live on your knees, as Zapata would have it. There's really only one way to handle the BLM and cohorts....death squads in the night if possible, outright executions if not. You see, once a human goes feral, they have to be put down. Feminists are going to suffer greatly in that which is coming.....they've tried to destroy the very ones who would protect them.....oh well....think a porcine snowflake can actually use an assault rifle?

Blogger buwaya September 03, 2015 5:26 PM  

'Replace "gamer" with "golfer" and see how many CEOs will let you pry their clubs from their cold, dead hands..."

Yes, but a proper CEO knows that the game is meaningless vs his true obligations.
A man is nothing but his obligations. A man who is nothing but his avocations is a poor thing indeed.

Blogger Josh September 03, 2015 5:31 PM  

Not to say gamergate is wrong, as far as it goes, but wow, does it come across as misapplied commitment. We now have 100,000+ jobless coal miners, as a result of genuine government mealfeasance driven by ideological fanaticism, with 1/100th the attention paid.

WAKE UP SHEEPLE!!!

Blogger Rabbi B September 03, 2015 5:39 PM  

BAAA-A-A-H-H-H!!

Anonymous Athor Pel September 03, 2015 5:42 PM  

"36. VFM bot #188 September 03, 2015 4:58 PM

OT: Has the gaming industry ever considered old people as an underserved market? Do old people play games? Probably not, since personal computers didn't exist for most of our lives, ditto for the Internet.

But old people have money, time, possibe interest, and often end up alone, lonely, and house-bound. Potential gamers? After all, on the Internet nobody knows you're a dog...or an old fart. Is this an invisible unserved gaming market?
"



Who do you think the early adopters of PC's and the Internet were? Many of them are in their fifties right now.
What do you think they wanted to do with those things?
Here's a hint.
What movie did they see in 1977 when they were 12 years old that blew their minds?

That movie was Star Wars and those guys built the game industry we have today. The game industry that is now larger than the movie industry.

If you didn't imagine a design for a game world very much like Star Citizen or Knights of the Old Republic or ... when you were 14 then you're probably not a gamer and you will not understand what makes a gamer a gamer.

As far as folks older than fifties I knew several when I played WoW. But WoW is something of a special case. WoW players can turn into gamers and go play other games but many of them are just WoW players.

Blogger Quadko September 03, 2015 5:44 PM  

@51

/facepalm
None so blind as those who will not see...
One more shot: I won't be a CEO in heaven; job's taken. I easily may be playing video games or a heavenly equivalent... Joy vs. duty... Vocation, avocation, and essence of being... "No true scotsman..."

Blogger Russell (106) September 03, 2015 5:47 PM  

A man is nothing but his obligations. A man who is nothing but his avocations is a poor thing indeed.

Admit it, you've been holding on to that fortune cookie just waiting to use it in a conversation.

Blogger buwaya September 03, 2015 5:51 PM  

On your deathbed, is it fitting that you die satisfied (in the secular sense) with your seven strong sons, your grandchildren, your concrete accomplishments, your conquests, and your good name - or your best golf handicap, or whatever the equivalent is in the game world ? There is an important distinction between the substantial and the trivial.

Blogger buwaya September 03, 2015 5:53 PM  

"Admit it, you've been holding on to that fortune cookie just waiting to use it in a conversation."

Darn right. Out it came from the quiver, polished and sharpened for years, and finally its day had come.

Blogger David-093 September 03, 2015 5:54 PM  

"WAKE UP SHEEPLE!!!"

DEAL WITH IT, BIGOT!!

Blogger Rabbi B September 03, 2015 5:54 PM  

"On your deathbed, is it fitting that you die satisfied (in the secular sense) with your seven strong sons, your grandchildren, your concrete accomplishments, your conquests, and your good name - or your best golf handicap, or whatever the equivalent is in the game world ? There is an important distinction between the substantial and the trivial."

Why is it any of your business? No one is standing before you at the end of the age.

Blogger Jay Lucas September 03, 2015 5:57 PM  

buwaya - On your deathbed, is it fitting that you die satisfied (in the secular sense) with your seven strong sons, your grandchildren, your concrete accomplishments, your conquests, and your good name - or your best golf handicap, or whatever the equivalent is in the game world ? There is an important distinction between the substantial and the trivial.

"But what does human live matter compared to the nuclear reactions of the sun?"

This isn't an argument. It's a change of venue.

Blogger Russell (106) September 03, 2015 6:01 PM  

Out it came from the quiver, polished and sharpened for years, and finally its day had come.

We don't care.

You're struggling with this. It's ok.

Not sticking your nose into other people's business is a hard thing to do. Let me repeat the motto to help you understand: We don't care.

Take your time, let it percolate and seep in a bit.

We don't care.

Blogger buwaya September 03, 2015 6:10 PM  

""But what does human live matter compared to the nuclear reactions of the sun?"
This isn't an argument. It's a change of venue."

Its a question about the justification of a system of values.
Some people value games, or gaming, or their participation in them, to a degree that leads to a neglect of their proper, true and honorable obligations.
This is seen across the land, and in many countries, where there are millions of young men who fail to follow a proper useful vocation or profession, or who fail to marry and reproduce. The whole gaming thing seems to me to be a curse.

That they are bothered in their gaming by human vermin is a problem I suppose, but those same vermin or their cousins are found IRL, and doing much greater damage.

Blogger buwaya September 03, 2015 6:14 PM  

"Not sticking your nose into other people's business is a hard thing to do. Let me repeat the motto to help you understand: We don't care. "

I'm old enough to understand that young men rarely listen to old men. Or they don't, until one day, some of them remember. What is said is heard and often remembered.

Abandon your games ! Go outside and play !

Blogger Quadko September 03, 2015 6:17 PM  

@62 Better quote-fu foil would be the famous: "No one on his deathbed ever said, I wish I had spent more time on my business."

Blogger Russell (106) September 03, 2015 6:20 PM  

I'm old enough to understand that young men rarely listen to old men.

We don't care.

My first gaming console was the original 1975 Atari Home Pong console.

We don't care.

Blogger buwaya September 03, 2015 6:22 PM  

""No one on his deathbed ever said, I wish I had spent more time on my business"

And every alcoholic dies wishing for another drink.

Blogger Danby September 03, 2015 6:25 PM  

@Buwaya,
I am a gamer.
I have raised 8 wonderful children to (mostly) responsible adulthood, with 3 still at home, and 8 (soon to be 10) grandchildren.
i have succeeded moderately well in my chosen profession.
I I have fulfilled my duties to God, Family and Country.
My wife literally describes me to her friends as "a god among husbands".
And I am a gamer.

So fuck you.

Blogger buwaya September 03, 2015 6:25 PM  

http://www.olganon.org/home

A useful link maybe -

Blogger buwaya September 03, 2015 6:28 PM  

"I have raised 8 wonderful children to (mostly) responsible adulthood, with 3 still at home, and 8 (soon to be 10) grandchildren."

Then you are excused. You have done your bit. You can spend the rest of your days in a saloon as far as I'm concerned. But too many gamers aren't like you.

Blogger BunE22 September 03, 2015 6:29 PM  

@69

And you know this how?

Blogger Quadko September 03, 2015 6:29 PM  

"A man is nothing but his obligations."
@66 And an alcoholic is nothing but his chance to drink.

Seriously, try to fix the marathon runners first; they're obviously broken and need your help. And trainset people - that's been going on long enough to have enough data to do some science on. Then maybe you'll have the skills to tackle gamers.

Besides, gamers agree with you - they just know gaming IS an obligation.

Pleasant fencing, my obligations rotate and I must stop having this fun to go meet them. I'll leave you the last word. ;)

Blogger Russell (106) September 03, 2015 6:30 PM  

buwaya, why do you hate people that are struggling with addiction?

You could be talking to them.

Do they repel you? What makes you want to moralize to the healthy instead of treating the sick?

Blogger SirHamster (#201) September 03, 2015 6:30 PM  

Then you are excused. You have done your bit. You can spend the rest of your days in a saloon as far as I'm concerned. But too many gamers aren't like you.

What currency do you plan to shame the other gamers with? The respect that they don't have for you?

Blogger Danby September 03, 2015 6:32 PM  

But too many gamers aren't like you.>

Says who? You? You're now an expert?

Blogger Jay Lucas September 03, 2015 6:34 PM  

Its a question about the justification of a system of values.
Some people value games, or gaming, or their participation in them, to a degree that leads to a neglect of their proper, true and honorable obligations.
This is seen across the land, and in many countries, where there are millions of young men who fail to follow a proper useful vocation or profession, or who fail to marry and reproduce. The whole gaming thing seems to me to be a curse.

That they are bothered in their gaming by human vermin is a problem I suppose, but those same vermin or their cousins are found IRL, and doing much greater damage.


Well, I wouldn't worry about the lack of those young men in the economy. We've put millions of young women into the workforce. We're not actually short on people, talent or expertise, either. And plenty of the jobs being held produce nothing or exist to waste resources or mislead people.

Anonymous Concerned Citizen September 03, 2015 6:44 PM  


And every alcoholic dies wishing for another drink.


But what do concern trolls think of as they are passing from this mortal coil? And who cares?

Blogger buwaya September 03, 2015 6:51 PM  

"But what do concern trolls think of as they are passing from this mortal coil?"

All their sins, and being sincerely sorry. If they know whats good for them.

Blogger VFM bot #188 September 03, 2015 6:54 PM  

"Define old"? I was thinking maybe 60 or beyond.

Without getting into the bloodbath over whether gaming is "wasted time" or whatever, I do want to point out that the demographic I was talking about has people who are often frail and alone as well as being elderly and housebound. Not such a terrible way to spend time in your dotage, I'd think.

Uh...how do I get started? :--)

Blogger Harsh September 03, 2015 7:02 PM  

Buwaya is a concern troll. Ignore him.

Blogger Danby September 03, 2015 7:03 PM  

What's the deal today, two different concern trolls on two different threads accusing us all of badthink? I'm moved to poesy.

The other day at Vox's blog
I met a troll whose words were fog.

Unable to think, but determined to fight,
until we admit that he is right.

Baseless assertions, pulled out of his ...cap
strawmen, ad hominem, the usual crap.

He dances and preens here on our stage,
So sure that he's right, a regular sage.

You're not just wrong, your evil as well,
Do as I say, or you'll all go to hell!"

The VFMs declared with a thousand-yard stare
"Go fuck yourself. We just don't care."

Blogger Russell (106) September 03, 2015 7:05 PM  

VFM bot #188

Skip first person shooters to start.

What are you looking to do?

For consoles and handhelds, Nintendo is usually a good starting point. They have a variety of games aimed at all sorts of tastes and skill levels that tend on the family friendly side of things. I got my wife and kids started with Link, he's really like a gateway drug for gaming.




Blogger buwaya September 03, 2015 7:12 PM  

I am honored !
Its not often someone works up such excellent doggerel just for me !
I hope you find occasion to use it on a worthier target.

Troll I may be, but I am, to a degree, sincere. I just plain don't understand the addiction of gaming, and I have seen too many people disappear into a haze of it, neglecting friends, family, work, exercise, literature, women - all of what we ancient people would have considered life, in exchange for what seems a paltry thing. The analogy with alcoholism or drug addictions seems apt. Not everyone of course. Most people can drink without having the drink take over, but too many fail.

Blogger Student in Blue September 03, 2015 7:27 PM  

Not such a terrible way to spend time in your dotage, I'd think.

Certainly better than getting lost in nostalgia, and stuck there, I think.

Uh...how do I get started? :--)

How does one get started drinking alcohol? Do they go to the grocery store and buy boxed wine, do they go to the bar and ask the bartender what's good?

There are several options available to you - pick your poison, I'd say.

Do you want to play with others? Do you want to play only at home, or on the go? Like drinking, you have to figure out what you want out of it before you can know where to start.

Blogger Carl Philipp September 03, 2015 7:32 PM  

I used to play games to an unhealthy level. It sucked.
Then I took responsibility for my actions.

Oddly enough, I'm as likely to read books too much, or watch anime too much, as play too much video games.

I don't think games themselves are a problem any more than anything else people do. And, well, escapism has its virtues. At least I immerse myself in a world where actions have consequences and if I carefully choose my actions, I can have better consequences.

So why are you upset about gaming and not, say, professional sports watching?

Incidentally, I do have friends who think gaming itself is a vice - because they, or somebody they knew, actually did fall into it a bit too deep. Similarly, I know people who are adamantly opposed to alcohol even in a church-communion setting, because they have known or been alcoholics.

"Do not handle! Do not taste! Do not touch!" Etc. You remember how the rest of the quote goes?

Anonymous Forrest Bishop VFM #0167 September 03, 2015 7:35 PM  

@23. Wyrd

OT: Christians in the US are now being jailed for their faith:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2015/09/03/rowan-county-ky-court-clerk-marriage-licenses-gays/71635794/

Judge rules the State is greater than God.


Judge made no such ruling, that's your interpretation. She was jailed for contempt of federal court, after her argument was shot down. However there are a couple-three glaring issues in this case. I might be wrong about all the below:

1) The federal government, the legal name of which is "The United States", is foreign to the States. This is well established in case law. So a foreign government is invading a State, grabbing one of the State officials, and ruling on a State matter where it has no business. It may has well have been the government of France or Zimbabwe making this ruling. Said foreign government,"The United States", has absolutely no right to rule in the matter of marriage. If it did have original jurisdiction in such an important area, that would have been enumerated in its charter, the alleged US Constitution.

2) It is very unusual to put a government official in jail without first "de-officializing" him or her. Maybe they did that quietly without reporting it. Thing is, the federal judge from the US, or France, or wherever, can't decommission the Kentucky State official: "as a thing is bound so it is unbound". So a State official would have to revoke the clerk's commission before the feds could take her to jail. Otherwise, the feds could just go ahead and arrest all the State officials from the Governor on down any time they felt like it.

Anonymous Wyrd September 03, 2015 7:53 PM  

Judge made no such ruling, that's your interpretation.

The judge said her oath to the government took precedent over her commitment to God. So, my interpretation stands.

She was jailed for contempt of federal court, after her argument was shot down.

I have contempt too for a court system that prioritizes the "right" for sodomites to corrupt the meaning of marriage over the traditional Christian morals. YMMV.

Blogger Danby September 03, 2015 8:11 PM  

@Buwaya,
Thank you for your flattery.
If you see someone descending into a behavioral (non-drug) addiction, chances are they are trying to escape something else. Whether it is games, or reading, or television, or daydreaming or sex or political activism, even religion, it's not the activity that's the source of the problem, but the thing they are avoiding, usually another person.

Anonymous Forrest Bishop VFM #0167 September 03, 2015 8:55 PM  

@86. Wyrd

"Judge rules the State is greater than God." - Wyrd

" Judge made no such ruling, that's your interpretation." - FB

" The judge said her oath to the government took precedent over her commitment to God. So, my interpretation stands." -Wyrd

I did not see that, I'll take your word that the quote is accurate. But that is a different assertion from your prior.

I have contempt too for a court system that prioritizes the "right" for sodomites to corrupt the meaning of marriage over the traditional Christian morals. YMMV.

I also have contempt for a court system that prioritizes the "right" for homos to corrupt the meaning of marriage over the traditional morals. I'm not a Christian.

Looking into this further, I'm reading the original ACLU complaint http://www.aclu-ky.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Rowan-complaint.pdf

Timeline:
June 26, 2015: The U.S. Supreme Court rules 5-4 that states must recognize and allow gay marriage. Kentucky Gov. Steve Beshear directs county clerks to comply.
KY Executive Branch. The Governor makes an executive decision to import foreign (US) law into the State of Kentucky.

June 29. Rowan County Kim Davis declines to issue licenses to gay or straight couples, saying her religious views prohibit her endorsing same-sex marriage.

July 2: ACLU sues Davis and Rowan County on behalf of four couples, two gay and two straight, who were denied marriage licenses.
Sure enough, the ACLU SJWs exported to a federal Court, using a Section 1983 argument. They could have gone to a Kentucky court first, but shopped the venue.

July 8: KY Legislative Branch. Some clerks ask for a special session of the General Assembly to consider a bill to accommodate those who say they can’t issue licenses for religious reasons; Beshear declines, citing in part the expense.

August? Federal Judge Bunning, son of GOP Sen. Jim Bunning who retired from the U.S. Senate in 2011, told her that she or her deputies must issue the licenses but stayed his order until this past Monday as she filed an appeal with the U.S. 6th Circuit Court of Appeals in Cincinnati. When that stay expired, appeals court judges declined to renew it. And when she asked the Supreme Court to weigh in Monday, justices in Washington refused.

So she's shut out by the KY Governor, by the KY Legislature, and by the feds. Seems to me she should then have filed an emergency injunction or Writ of Mandate/Mandamus at the State level, staying the federal decision until the State could decide if the Governor's original action was legal. She could have done that last July.

Judge Bunning might be black-knighting by sending the clerk to the clink. (Yes, it was fun writing that sentence.)






Blogger Travis Landenwitsch September 03, 2015 9:20 PM  

Forrest Bishop,

If the United States is considered "foreign" in case law, why do States follow federal laws at all? Is there a relevant Supreme Court case, or circuit court case that is a good example of what you are talking about?

Anonymous WaterBoy September 03, 2015 9:49 PM  

buwaya @56: "On your deathbed, is it fitting that you die satisfied (in the secular sense) with your seven strong sons, your grandchildren, your concrete accomplishments, your conquests, and your good name - or your best golf handicap, or whatever the equivalent is in the game world ? There is an important distinction between the substantial and the trivial."

False dichotomy. Why does it have to be either/or?

A man on his deathbed could have seven strong sons, grandchildren, concrete accomplishments, conquests, and a good name - plus a good golf handicap -- or the gamer equivalent (like a high-enough CoD ranking to rate a Beta tester slot).

Imagination, son...get you some o' that.

Anonymous Wyrd September 04, 2015 12:06 AM  

I did not see that, I'll take your word that the quote is accurate. But that is a different assertion from your prior.

Not sure what you're point is, Forrest, unless you just want to play at Monty Python-style arguing. I stand by my interpretation and was elaborating. If you want an accurate quote, I suggest getting a copy of the court transcript.

I'm not a Christian.

That's nice. Here's a cookie.

Anonymous Trigger Alert! September 04, 2015 12:07 AM  

Troll I may be, but I am, to a degree, sincere.

SJW trolls claim sincerity too. Sincerity would seem to be overrated.

So why are you here, really?

Anonymous Wyrd September 04, 2015 12:12 AM  

So why are you here, really?

Porky called in sick and someone had to cover the moral-peacock nitpicking?

Blogger SciVo September 04, 2015 12:41 AM  

@ Danby: "Whether it is games, or reading, or television, or daydreaming or sex or political activism, even religion, it's not the activity that's the source of the problem, but the thing they are avoiding, usually another person."

Or themselves. You can probably tell which by the level of self-care vs. neglect (or harm).

Blogger Emmanuel Mateo-Morales September 04, 2015 1:24 AM  

"or watch anime too much..."

Unless it's made by Miyazaki (IE, there was actual effort put into the animation and story), no wonder you got fucking problems, brah.

Anonymous Jack Amok September 04, 2015 1:34 AM  

So why are you here, really?

I gather he thinks it's an obligation.

Blogger Daniel September 04, 2015 2:24 AM  

Because gamers can't headshot guys like you in real life for no good reason, B. At least not as often as they might feel was justified. You ought to thank God for games. They may be saving your life. Not that a boomer's life is all that much in the grand scheme of things. Still, it is yours.

Blogger Carl Philipp September 04, 2015 2:24 AM  

@95
Well.
Yeah.
There's a reason Anime is recognized by the Catholic Church as the eighth deadly sin.
Naruto is pretty good if you skip the filler though, suck it haters.

Blogger Russell (106) September 04, 2015 8:58 AM  

@96 Jack
+1

OpenID cglasgow99 September 04, 2015 9:38 AM  

Eh, the vast majority of anime has the same problem as the vast majority of any other entertainment product -- its crap. But that isn't because its anime, its just Sturgeon's Law in action. There is entertaining anime other than Miyazaki.

PS: Seriously, /Naruto/? I sincerely hope you're referring to pre-timeskip -- which was decent -- because man did that show go totally off the rails in the Shippuden area. There's a reason why Naruto not only has its own separate Wall Bangers page on TVTropes, but why that page is approximately as long as /the Wall Bangers page for the entire Anime and Manga category in general/.

Blogger Banjo September 04, 2015 10:06 AM  

Naruto's fine. I'm a Bleach and One Piece fan myself.

I'll also admit to enjoying Soul Eater...

Blogger Student in Blue September 04, 2015 1:49 PM  

>Naruto
NNNNNN
>Bleach
EEEEEE
>One Piece
RRRRRRDDDDDSSSSS

Blogger Carl Philipp September 04, 2015 11:19 PM  

Shippuden rules, suck it haters.
Mind, I haven't gotten to the part where that guy starts resurrecting everybody ever.

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