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Thursday, September 24, 2015

The demonic Demian

It's interesting to go back and read books that made an impression on you when you were younger. Demian wasn't the Hesse novel that made a big impression on me, that was Magister Ludi as the paperback edition I had then called The Glass Bead Game, but it was the first Hesse novel that I read and the one that drew me into becoming a moderately serious Hesse fan.

However, as much as I enjoyed the books, I did not understand the countercultural appeal of Hesse back then. I was too much a child of the 80s to grasp why Demian and Steppenwolf were so significant to the hippies and the other counterculturals who laid the groundwork for today's SJWs, most of whom wouldn't know Hermann Hesse from Rudolf Hess.

But I was reading Demian at the gym yesterday, and besides developing a newfound respect for James Franco, who wrote a rather amusing introduction to it, I began to understand both that historic countercultural appeal as well as the depth of literally Satanic evil intrinsic to the quasi-Gnostic philosophy expressed in the book. This passage, in particular, caught my attention:
Then, at that moment, a memory flashed up within me that almost took my breath away: on that ill-starred evening when my misery had begun, that moment with my father when I had, so to speak, seen right through him and his bright clean world and wisdom, and despised them! Yes, I had imagined on my own that I was Cain and bore the mark, and that the mark was not a disgrace but a badge of honor; I had felt that my wicked misdeed made me superior to my father, higher than the good and pious people in his world.

It’s not that I had thought it all through, clearly and analytically, at the time; it was just an emotion flaring up, strange stirrings that hurt me but at the same time filled me with pride. Yet all these ideas were contained in the feeling I’d had.

When I thought about how oddly Demian had spoken of the fearless tribe and the cowards, how strange his interpretation was of the mark on Cain’s forehead, and how marvelously his eyes, his peculiar, grown-up eyes, had lit up when he spoke, the vague thought passed through my mind: This Demian, is he not himself a kind of Cain? Why else would he defend Cain, if he didn’t feel like him? Why does he have such power in his eyes, and why does he speak so scornfully about the “others,” the fearful ones, who after all are actually pious and pleasing to God?
What can be more appealing to young men and women of little accomplishment than the idea that they are the chosen ones, that they are superior by virtue of their weakness and uselessness? What could better suit that collection of worthless parasites than an excuse to take pride in their barbaric rejection of constructive, civilized society? Sinclair's misdeed was based on pure cowardice, and yet on the basis of nothing more than Demian's baseless reinterpretation of the Cain story, his multi-faceted cowardice is transformed into heroism, even into a form of demi-godhood!

I didn't understand this when I was 15. I took the concept of the "fearless ones" at face value, although fortunately I was not foolish enough to take the philosophy behind it seriously. I haven't finished re-reading the book yet, but what I'm seeing is that Demian represents a proto-SJW perspective, although one that is considerably more educated and self-aware than modern SJWs because it is shaped in reaction to traditional Western culture and is therefore fully aware of what today's SJWs do not know.

Hesse moved beyond this juvenile, reactionary, and self-deluded gnosticism in both Siddhartha and The Glass Bead Game, but the counterculture never did, not even when it became the popular culture. And if the philosophy is considerably more evil than I recalled, I have to say that the writing is even deeper and more insightful than I remembered.

It's somewhat remarkable that a man capable of seeing so deeply into his own soul should then go so far afield philosophically, but then, perception is not analysis.

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Blogger buwaya puti September 24, 2015 6:31 AM  

Very interesting!
I never considered that at the time either, and I was older during my Hesse phase. Yes, the adolescent problem of no accomplishments explains some things.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan September 24, 2015 7:03 AM  

Is it fearless or fearful?

It seems the devil speaks in rhetoric, well from what I heard the pope say yesterday he does as well, poorly at that.

Blogger MendoScot September 24, 2015 7:32 AM  

People tend to overlook how explicitly spiritual the countercultural movement was, and how often it devolved into spiritualism and then overt demonism. Lots of the casualties attributed to drugs were playing with posession as a route to power.

Of Hesse, I only read Steppenwolf, and wondered what all the fuss was about. Didn’t bother with anything else.

Blogger Nate September 24, 2015 7:44 AM  

You can listen to the idiot boomers rail about how they changed the world... and how special they are for their amazing specialness. But when you look at the works that inspired them... all you see they were, and still are, nothing more than spoiled children. They were born into an excellent, yet imperfect culture that expected them to pull their own weight. The notion that anyone should dare suggest that anything should be expected of them rather than given to them was deeply offensive... as it is to all spoiled children. So they threw their fit... and turned an excellent but imperfect society into a dilapidated shithole... and now have the temerity to brag about it.

Fuck you Boomer. Die already.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan September 24, 2015 7:48 AM  

Rhetoric works both ways simply ask the usual suspects to prove their specialness, and disqualify all rhetoric as political posturing. Use their brain chemistry against them as was explained by AC

Blogger W.LindsayWheeler September 24, 2015 7:48 AM  

Curious his title of Demian, almost similar to the English "demon" and Socrates' "daemon". Hesse is a navel-gazing. He is solpsistic. I noticed that he (from his Wikipedia page), like Rousseau, was constantly around women when young. That is always dangerous. He wrote two autobiographical books. And Demian is semi-autobiographical. The guy was full of himself; he did not do philosophy but solipsism, I am coming to the conclusion that liberals are natural Gnostics. As SJWism is a form of gnosticism, it is not taught but an instinct one falls into. It is not spread by evangelism at first but by shared instincts and then codified later.

Blogger Cail Corishev September 24, 2015 7:52 AM  

This sounds like the way I see proto-SJWs in the Modernists (who were very much Gnostics, among other things) of Chesterton and Pius X. It was more of a coherent philosophy then, but today's SJWs have discarded the intellectual aspects and retained little but the emotional impulses and the attraction to whatever promises destruction. They just get more juvenile and savage with each generation.

Blogger CM September 24, 2015 7:56 AM  

People tend to overlook how explicitly spiritual the countercultural movement was, and how often it devolved into spiritualism and then overt demonism.

That's interesting, especially since drug use has so many spiritual underpinnings to it. I mean, Indians used drugs in their rituals frequently, OT prophets would fast after visions and pray for clarity, and the NT is very clear on being under the influence of substances.

Was reading about the Jesus Movement at F&H and it shed some light on my general discomfiture with them. And I can clearly see how current "seculars" never grew past that wishy-washy, "Love, brah", Hippy Jesus.

Blogger njartist September 24, 2015 8:06 AM  

@8 NT is very clear on being under the influence of substances.

Prove it.

I read the bible daily: I have yet to come across any apostles, elders, prophets, or disciples using drugs.

Blogger Ann Kellett September 24, 2015 8:09 AM  

Bruce Charlton at charltonteaching.blogspot.com on Sept. 22 had a brilliant post about the media's role as the "evil eye" . . . the logical outcome of a generation who devoured Hesse and others as teenagers and now are in positions of real power.

Blogger Gaiseric ! September 24, 2015 8:14 AM  

@8: That's interesting, especially since drug use has so many spiritual underpinnings to it. I mean, Indians used drugs in their rituals frequently,

Not just Indians—ephedra use was common among the Indo-Europeans, for example.

OT prophets would fast after visions and pray for clarity,

Fasting and drug use have absolutely nothing in common.

and the NT is very clear on being under the influence of substances.

Show me exactly in the NT where this "very clear" evidence is.

Blogger Student in Blue September 24, 2015 8:20 AM  

@7. Cail Corishev
OT, did you ever receive my email?

Blogger Nate September 24, 2015 9:04 AM  

WHY CAN'T ANY OF YOU READ

Blogger Student in Blue September 24, 2015 9:07 AM  

Well, we appear to have found Nate's trigger: illiteracy.

Blogger Markku September 24, 2015 9:13 AM  

IKR, Nate.

NT is very clear on being under the influence of substances.

This appears to have been too complicated a sentence structure. So, let me translate it for y'all:

Bible say being high on drugs bad. Bible say this clearly.

Blogger Josh September 24, 2015 9:14 AM  

Bible say being high on drugs bad. Bible say this clearly.

That's how I read that too.

Blogger Michael O'Duibhir September 24, 2015 9:15 AM  

Cail Corishev: "This sounds like the way I see proto-SJWs in the Modernists (who were very much Gnostics, among other things) of Chesterton and Pius X."

I'm a little confused as to Chesterton and Pius X vis-a-vis Modernists. Would you explain?

Blogger Nate September 24, 2015 9:16 AM  

"Well, we appear to have found Nate's trigger: illiteracy."

hey... i have lots of triggers... almost all of which are attached to very interesting firearms.


Blogger CM September 24, 2015 9:28 AM  

Do not get drunk on wine, which leads to debauchery. Instead, be filled with the Spirit
Eph 5:18

Am i wrong to interpret that as being under the influence of something other than the Spirit?

Not going prohibitionist or anything...

But drug use and drunkenness make it difficult for self control.

And has no one considered fasting after visions to be a way to cleanse the system from potential hallucinogens? I mean, Ezekiel's visions were pretty intense.

Yes, i know indians aren't the only ones. Lots of pagan religions used drugs in rituals, including the orgy cults of Rome & Greece.

Blogger Cail Corishev September 24, 2015 9:29 AM  

I'm a little confused as to Chesterton and Pius X vis-a-vis Modernists. Would you explain?

They said they were bad.

See if this quote from Chesterton doesn't put you in mind of SJWs: "The real objection to modernism is simply that it is a form of snobbishness. It is an attempt to crush a rational opponent not by reason, but by some mystery of superiority, by hinting that one is especially up to date or particularly 'in the know.'" You can see the Gnosticism inherent to it there too.

Pius X wrote Pascendi to combat Modernism within the Church, and he would have agreed with Vox's approach to them, unless he thought it too kind. This is what he said of moderates who thought he should reach out to modernists with kindness:

"Kindness is for fools. They want them to be treated with oil, soap, and caresses, but they should be beaten with fists! In a duel you don't count or measure the blows, you strike as you can! War is not made with charity, it is a struggle, a duel. If Our Lord were not terrible, he would not have given an example in this too. See how he treated the Philistines, the sowers of error, the wolves in sheep's clothing, the traitors in the temple. He scourged them with whips!"

Blogger Nate September 24, 2015 9:33 AM  

"Am i wrong to interpret that as being under the influence of something other than the Spirit?

Not going prohibitionist or anything..."

CM...

They didn't understand what you wrote. They aren't going to understand this either.

Blogger CM September 24, 2015 9:34 AM  

Let me be clear on the visions. I do not believe drugs were used to intentionslly trigger visions.

However, if there was some concern that something you ate was affecting you, fasting could help rule out influence from other substances and verify vision was from God.

Blogger Josh September 24, 2015 9:35 AM  

Reading is hard!

Blogger Michael O'Duibhir September 24, 2015 9:38 AM  

Cail Corishev,

Thanks. I've read Pascendi Dominici Gregis and Chesterton's works as well. I hope that somehow people will read them today, though it probably won't happen before things deteriorate more than they currently have. Pius X was a bull who never took a backward step. He confronted the enemy head-on, unlike the current claimant to the Papacy.

Blogger Iowahine September 24, 2015 9:45 AM  

Hesse seemed to be on the same journey in his writing (what's that popular definition of insanity?): to rationalize and escape the woe promised in Isaiah 5:20.

Blogger Iowahine September 24, 2015 9:45 AM  

Hesse seemed to be on the same journey in his writing (what's that popular definition of insanity?): to rationalize and escape the woe promised in Isaiah 5:20.

Blogger Daniel September 24, 2015 9:50 AM  

I knew what CM was saying but only because I knew CM would never have intended the opposite. There is an incomplete predicate in the sentence, however; it leaves the sentence open to misinterpretation.

Blogger Aeoli Pera September 24, 2015 9:51 AM  

It's somewhat remarkable that a man capable of seeing so deeply into his own soul should then go so far afield philosophically, but then, perception is not analysis.

I have found high-IQ Luciferians to be very straightforward and analytical in general. They accept that they hate God, and everything else is logistics. They rationally accept that they need to keep their feelings and motives private because others won't accept an honest explanation.

In contrast, high-IQ atheists will usually hate God like it's daddy issues and go through philosophical contortions to conceal this.

Blogger Chad Gibbons September 24, 2015 9:58 AM  

Hesse wrote a hilarious reductio ad absurdum of the entire SJW enterprise that bitingly mocked the lengths to which SJWs will go. Read his Fairy Tale, "Dr. Knoegle's End". It's great.

http://rutlib.com/book/85/p/8

Blogger Gaiseric ! September 24, 2015 10:02 AM  

Reading is hard!

Apparently, not nearly as hard as writing.

Blogger tim September 24, 2015 10:10 AM  

As though Nate would've been the enlightened One, the only One to have overcome every stereotype that he lampoons if he was a boomer. Fuck off !

Blogger Bill September 24, 2015 10:13 AM  

That's interesting, especially since drug use has so many spiritual underpinnings to it. I mean, Indians used drugs in their rituals frequently,In contrast, OT prophets would fast after visions and pray for clarity, and the NT is very clear on being under the influence of substances.

FTFY

OpenID Steve September 24, 2015 10:13 AM  

You can listen to the idiot boomers rail about how they changed the world

Thanks a lot the people before them walked on the moon, now we are lucky if we can put something into orbit. Thanks for the black/brown crime also, I am so glad a big chunk of every paycheck goes toward Latrina's 29 crack babies. They inherited Mayberry + the Compton President Bush lived in and left todays Compton

-BGS

Blogger Daniel September 24, 2015 10:22 AM  

The high IQ atheist is an incredibly rare creature, and almost always a temporary condition, as a phase from age 12 to 20.

Even if you have a genetic defect that clouds your ability to relate to God himself, the high IQ will provide the resources to intellectually construct the possibility of the divine.

I never read Demian, but luciferian gnosticism is a lot more likely to be found in immature high intelligence than the dullards version of such, which is atheism.

Now, there is a point of confusion: often the young and brash high IQ satanist will claim atheism as a foil, so it is easy to believe that the spiritual disposition is one of mockery rather than defiance.

Thus, it is always right to test the spirits. You attack the atheists intelligence, but the luciferian claiming atheism you go after in the spirit. Any attacks on his intelligence will be impotent, because that isn't at the core of his faith.

Blogger Nate September 24, 2015 10:34 AM  

"As though Nate would've been the enlightened One, the only One to have overcome every stereotype that he lampoons if he was a boomer. Fuck off !"

Its a special kind of navel gazer that can't imagine how others can resist that which he cannot. Peer pressure may have been very hard on you little timmy... it never was on me.

Blogger Steve, the Dark Ninja of Mockery September 24, 2015 10:46 AM  

I thought this was about Damien Walter.

Blogger Daniel September 24, 2015 10:49 AM  

Walter isn't literate enough to think that way.

Blogger Joseph Maroney September 24, 2015 11:23 AM  

Demonic, indeed. It seems to fit in with what John Wright says about lying to and misdirecting children to be evil.

Blogger Russell (106) September 24, 2015 11:26 AM  

But I was reading Demian at the gym yesterday

*rolls eyes* Whatever, dude bro.

*struggles to get into new dress*
This time they'll find me pretty!


What could better suit that collection of worthless parasites than an excuse to take pride in their barbaric rejection of constructive, civilized society?

They hear their master's voice, and obey. Now a man so confused about his intrinsic identity he's called a brave and stunning woman for putting on a wig and makeup.

Blogger Gaiseric ! September 24, 2015 11:39 AM  

The high IQ atheist is an incredibly rare creature, and almost always a temporary condition, as a phase from age 12 to 20.

IQ is relative, so I'm not sure what you mean by the term "high IQ" but I don't think intelligence and reason have much to do with it. Will and spirituality are what's missing. If you would rather linger in the state of 'natural man': and many do, for many reasons, then they will never get it, no matter how smart they are.

1 Cor. 2:14: "But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned."

Blogger J.R. Humphries September 24, 2015 11:50 AM  

You know, GK Chesterton responds to the concept of the "fearful ones" those supposed cowards who follow God and uphold civilization out of fear.

After being so accused by an anarchist of being "safe" for fighting for the winning side, the hero of The Man Who Was Thursday says

"It is not true that we have never been broken. We have been broken upon the wheel. It is not true that we have never descended from these thrones. We have descended into hell..."

Blogger Weouro September 24, 2015 11:54 AM  

"This sounds like the way I see proto-SJWs in the Modernists (who were very much Gnostics, among other things) of Chesterton and Pius X."

I thought the same. Here's Chesterton in "Heretics":
"The theory of the unmorality of art has established itself firmly in the strictly artistic classes. They are free to produce anything they like. They are free to write a "Paradise Lost" in which Satan shall conquer God. They are free to write a "Divine Comedy" in which heaven shall be under the floor of hell. And what have they done? Have they produced in their universality anything grander or more beautiful than the things uttered by the fierce Ghibbeline Catholic, by the rigid Puritan schoolmaster? We know that they have produced only a few roundels. Milton does not merely beat them at his piety, he beats them at their own irreverence. In all their little books of verse you will not find a finer defiance of God than Satan's. Nor will you find the grandeur of paganism felt as that fiery Christian felt it who described Faranata lifting his head as in disdain of hell. And the reason is very obvious. Blasphemy is an artistic effect, because blasphemy depends upon a philosophical conviction. Blasphemy depends upon belief and is fading with it."

Blogger Weouro September 24, 2015 11:56 AM  

Also:
"Suppose that a great commotion arises in the street about something, let us say a lamp-post, which many influential persons desire to pull down. A grey-clad monk, who is the spirit of the Middle Ages, is approached upon the matter, and begins to say, in the arid manner of the Schoolmen, "Let us first of all consider, my brethren, the value of Light. If Light be in itself good--" At this point he is somewhat excusably knocked down. All the people make a rush for the lamp-post, the lamp-post is down in ten minutes, and they go about congratulating each other on their unmediaeval practicality. But as things go on they do not work out so easily. Some people have pulled the lamp-post down because they wanted the electric light; some because they wanted old iron; some because they wanted darkness, because their deeds were evil. Some thought it not enough of a lamp-post, some too much; some acted because they wanted to smash municipal machinery; some because they wanted to smash something. And there is war in the night, no man knowing whom he strikes. So, gradually and inevitably, to-day, to-morrow, or the next day, there comes back the conviction that the monk was right after all, and that all depends on what is the philosophy of Light. Only what we might have discussed under the gas-lamp, we now must discuss in the dark."

Blogger Anthony September 24, 2015 11:57 AM  

Speaking of "little accomplishment" - I have found in myself, and seen in others (mostly men), the psychological need to be doing something - to have some control and influence on one's environment. When attempting to do something constructive is frustrated, the need can come out as an impulse to destructiveness.

I'd guess that this deflection of the desire to be constructive into destruction can explain a lot of what goes on in our society, including a lot of SJWism and ordinary crime, but I'm not a psychologist.

Blogger Gaiseric ! September 24, 2015 12:10 PM  

I'd guess that this deflection of the desire to be constructive into destruction can explain a lot of what goes on in our society, including a lot of SJWism and ordinary crime, but I'm not a psychologist.


That's OK; psychology isn't a real discipline either.

Blogger Floyd Looney September 24, 2015 12:14 PM  

"What can be more appealing to young men and women of little accomplishment than the idea that they are the chosen ones"

The premise of so many books and movies these days....

Blogger Daniel September 24, 2015 12:18 PM  

Gaiseric, I'll simplify: the stupid opponent of God is an atheist. The intelligent one is a satanist. The intelligent satanist knows that feigning atheism has rhetorical advantages.

Typically and generally, of course. I have met a few intelligent atheists, but they recover from it at a young age. Most real practicing atheists are just north of functional intelligence, at best.

Blogger Anthony September 24, 2015 1:01 PM  

There's a joke that when Bertrand Russell visited a friend in Ireland, who was attempting to explain "The Troubles" to him, Russell asked "But aren't there any atheists?". His friend replied "Sure there are. There are Catholic Atheists and Protestant Atheists."

The friend is right, and one can identify them by their approach to atheism.

The Protestant atheist is angry. He hates God, or God's authority. Often, this is the result of an overbearing father who tore down the son (or daughter) rather than trying to build the child up, and who claimed God's guidance in tearing down the child. Sometimes it's not directly familial. Christopher Hitchens seemed angry that God allowed so much evil in our world. Protestant atheists are likely to reject Christian moral teachings even if there's a secular justification for them, but his own moral beliefs may be no better supported than those he rejects "because God said so". The Protestant atheist is usually evangelical about his atheism, and can be as dogmatic about his own beliefs as the Christians he derides for their dogmatism.

The Catholic atheist is not angry. He is someone who has not been persuaded of the existence of God, and has not felt the presence of God in his life. He's more likely to follow Christian moral teachings, though if the only explanation he's ever heard is "because God said so", he's likely to reject them. The Catholic atheist doesn't need to evangelize, and is open to persuasion on moral topics, provided the argument doesn't rely on divine authority.

Blogger bruce September 24, 2015 1:43 PM  

I never got into Hesse, but Scott Meredith's Nagendra is the best kung-fu sword and sorcery I've read in years. Meredith says it riffs on Siddhartha, so this isn't totally OT. Meredith is the tai-chi expert who claims to have developed enormous internal chi and is now studying his old master's xingyi manual- after four decades practice he knows enough about the art and about classical chinese that it's making sense to him. He will be travelling in Asia, out of reach of modern communications.

I think that covers every single daydream I had on first reading Black Belt in the 1970's. Though if he discovered an ancient lost city full of monks and stuff, that would be cool too.

Blogger bruce September 24, 2015 1:43 PM  

I never got into Hesse, but Scott Meredith's Nagendra is the best kung-fu sword and sorcery I've read in years. Meredith says it riffs on Siddhartha, so this isn't totally OT. Meredith is the tai-chi expert who claims to have developed enormous internal chi and is now studying his old master's xingyi manual- after four decades practice he knows enough about the art and about classical chinese that it's making sense to him. He will be travelling in Asia, out of reach of modern communications.

I think that covers every single daydream I had on first reading Black Belt in the 1970's. Though if he discovered an ancient lost city full of monks and stuff, that would be cool too.

Blogger Skylark Thibedeau September 24, 2015 2:05 PM  

The Protestants and Catholic monikers in the troubles identify national identity more than catechism. The Protestants are English and Scots-Irish and the Catholics are native Irish. I'm here because a Catholic Boy named Sullivan loved a Protestant Girl named Baker and they fled to Carolina in the Troubles of 1791.

Blogger Azimus September 24, 2015 2:07 PM  

When I was a child, maybe 10, I checked out one of those haunting/possession/summoning demon books from my school library (which is a topic in itself) because I was curious. It was about a kid who summoned a demon to become good at playing basketball.

I got home from work, I laid down on the floor in my room and started to read it. It started off innocent enough, a 12yr oldish boy talking with his friends about trying to be better at basketball. As I turned the pages, I started to feel ill. It wasn't a reaction to the words because I hadn't arrived at any ouji boards or anything demonic in the plot. For no reason at all as I read, I became more, and more nauseous. I started to feel dizzy, and to smell something awful. I was maybe 20 pages into the book when I set it down. Within a minute of setting the book down I felt perfectly fine. I never picked the book up again. I knew then that there was something not-right about those kinds of books. It was not until I became a Christian 10yrs later that I realized I had had an encounter of some kind with darkness and real evil.

Blogger Joseph Maroney September 24, 2015 2:51 PM  

Gaiseric: "IQ is relative, so I'm not sure what you mean by the term "high IQ" but I don't think intelligence and reason have much to do with it."

There's a vein of vanity in some people in which they try to inflate their IQs by latching onto "enlightenment", even though it is anything but.

Blogger Eraser September 24, 2015 3:57 PM  

Demian didn't impress me very much when I read it a long time ago (deep philosophy stuff is not my thing and psychoanalysis is mostly BS).

One thing I remember is the veiled references to homosexuality throughout the book. It makes me think there was more going on between Demian and Sinclair than the author dared to write down.

Blogger IsMishe September 24, 2015 5:18 PM  

Do I need to get my Pink Floyd albums out?

Blogger rumpole5 September 24, 2015 7:05 PM  

As amply pointed out, Boomers were not in power when Pope John XXIII, JFK, LBJ, MLK, Ted Kennedy et. al. (Most were "Grate Gens"), started the ball rolling toward our present islands of "dilapidated shitdoms". The fact is that those parts of the country inhabited by persons of character and initiative are more " excellent" in almost every material way than was the pre 1960s USA. These Boomer rants are stupid, and a waste of time, because the real problem began much earlier, like with Rousseau. Boomers, Gen Xers, and Millennials are co-victims.

Blogger rumpole5 September 24, 2015 7:11 PM  

Sorry, as noted above, LBJ and MLK and Earl Warren gave us todsy's Compton. They were NOT Boomers.

Blogger rumpole5 September 24, 2015 7:30 PM  

Re: -BOOMERS! Uh, Hesse was born in 1877 guys. His salad days were waaay before the 1960s.

Blogger Jim Milo September 24, 2015 8:24 PM  

@6
I noticed that he (from his Wikipedia page), like Rousseau, was constantly around women when young. That is always dangerous.

The biggest 'anarchist' I've known was raised by lesbians in Edmonton. And it wasn't Ezra.

Blogger Jim Milo September 24, 2015 8:29 PM  

@16 Alcohol certainly does. Too much pot or mushrooms can be as bad as too much beer.

Was taught that John was tripping when he wrote his Gospel, but this was in uni eons ago. This was a Catholic college too.

Blogger Jim Milo September 24, 2015 8:45 PM  

@44 Idle hands and the devil...

@51 Hey cousin. My Sullivan GGF married a Woolf.

I'm here because my great grandfather had to get out of Belfast, fast. Somethinks about beating am Orange man to death for scaring a pregnant woman and causing a miscarriage.

Blogger Jim Milo September 24, 2015 8:51 PM  

@47 @45 In Gamergate terms, it's the difference between Sarkpuppet (satanist) and Harper or Shanley (stupid/crazy).

Blogger Groot September 25, 2015 12:06 AM  

@4. Porky:
"Fuck you Boomer. Die already."

Yeah, the boomers sucked. And every subsequent generation has been worse and worse, with a plunging IQ.

@52. Azimus:

The part where you threw your boss out the 14th-floor window because he turned into a werewolf was cool.

Blogger automatthew September 25, 2015 12:20 AM  

Groot. What exactly do you think you're accomplishing?

Also. Are you Loki?

Blogger Groot September 25, 2015 1:47 AM  

@64. automatthew:

I am poking back at Nate, who has taken a vicious, pugilistic swipe at a broad swath of the commenters here, reminiscent of Porky. In deference to your position as moderator, I assure I am one who plays by the rules. Is Nate off limits or something?

I am not Loki. I am Groot.

OpenID Jack Amok September 25, 2015 3:01 AM  

Sorry, as noted above, LBJ and MLK and Earl Warren gave us todsy's Compton. They were NOT Boomers.

I've said this before. I'll say it again. The great sin of the Boomers was not starting the problem. It was refusing to fix it. Humans make a lot of mistakes. The secret to success is not avoiding mistakes, it's recognizing and correcting them.

Keynes was wrong, but you can forgive him for being wrong, nobody had tried his theory before (at least not in the last thousand years). You can't forgive the neo-Keynesians, they have ample evidence his theories don't work.

Boomers had ample evidence things needed to be fixed, but they preferred to grandstand instead. LBJ, MLK and Earl Warren gave us Compton circa 1990 at the latest. That's 25 years ago. Boomers are absolutely responsible for today's Compton. Today's Detroit. Today's D.C..


Blogger Markku September 25, 2015 3:36 AM  

That sounds like an evasion, so let me phrase the question this way.

To the person commenting with the name and persona of Groot: Have you ever written with the name "Loki" on this site?

Blogger Groot September 25, 2015 3:48 AM  

I have not. I do feel a curious grin spreading across my visage, though. Tell me, is there a story?

Blogger Markku September 25, 2015 4:48 AM  

It's just that you are not the first one to assume not only the name, but the persona of a fictional character on the site. So far you have been considerably less annoying, though.

Blogger Groot September 25, 2015 2:40 PM  

"Considerably less annoying." I'll take it.

So this wasn't about Nate, but about Loki? Can I still poke Nate when he imprecates death upon an entire generation, or no? Whatever you say...

I did some reading on Loki in the comments here (google "site:voxday.blogspot.com loki"), and I can see what automatthew detects. He was alpha and funny. But he seemed like a newly-minted alpha, too aware of it, maybe only jumped-up because of the on-line persona. Pretty funny, though. What happened to him?

Blogger Groot September 26, 2015 3:09 PM  

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Blogger Groot September 26, 2015 3:09 PM  

Dead silence. Sometimes it seems like I'm the only tree in the forest that can talk.

Blogger Markku September 26, 2015 10:05 PM  

If you are interpreting this as being threatened with ban for talking back to Nate, then I assure you that it won't go down that way.

Blogger Markku September 26, 2015 10:11 PM  

Me and Automatthew will issue bans only for really gross and obvious violations, such as spamming hundreds of messages. If we express a negative opinion of someone's behavior, that opinion is our own, and not an implicit threat of moderational action.

Blogger Markku September 26, 2015 10:12 PM  

If Vox does it, though, then it is advisable to listen.

Blogger automatthew September 26, 2015 11:52 PM  

Can I still poke Nate when he imprecates death upon an entire generation, or no?

It is ALWAYS open season on Nate.

Blogger automatthew September 26, 2015 11:54 PM  

Also, and may it never be forgotten. Nate stole my hat.

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