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Tuesday, September 22, 2015

The migrant crisis is Greek revenge

Steve Sailer points out that the Greeks warned Germany that they would manufacture a migrant crisis for the EU if they did not get debt relief back in March:
Yes, the Greeks are shoveling the Muslim mob through Greece as fast as possible because they are humanitarians. The Greeks are sending the Muslim masses north toward Germany as a gift to express how grateful Greece is for Germany’s kindness during last summer’s Euro crisis negotiations. The Greeks would love to hang onto all this prime human capital themselves, but they want Germany to benefit from the Merkel Youth as payback for Ms. Merkel’s kindness over the last seven years toward Greece.

It’s the least the Greeks could do for the Germans after all they’ve done for the Greeks.

As the old saying goes, “Never beware of Greeks bearing gifts.”

UPDATE: Oh, wait, it turns out that the Greek government explicitly threatened to unleash Muslim migrants upon Germany if Ms. Merkel’s government insisted upon a hardline in the Euro debt negotiations. From the Daily Express, 3/9/2015:

The rising tensions between Greece and the eurozone came as Panos Kammenos, the Greek defence minister, warned that Europe will be hit with migrants that could include “some jihadists of the Islamic State” if Greece is forced out of the euro.

He said: “If they deal a blow to Greece, then they should know the the migrants will get papers to go to Berlin.

“If Europe leaves us in the crisis, we will flood it with migrants, and it will be even worse for Berlin if in that wave of millions of economic migrants there will be some jihadists of the Islamic State too.”

His comments came shortly after Nikos Kotzias, the Greek foreign minister, warned that “there will be tens of millions of immigrants and thousands of jihadists” if bailout negotiations fail.

In retaliation to Mr Kammenos’ comments, the spokeswoman for EU Migration Commissioner Dimitris Avramopoulos assured she had spoken to Greek authorities and had “received assurances from the Ministry of Interior that no measures to open up detention centres have been taken.”
History never "just happens".  I can't even imagine how hard Mr. Kammenos must be laughing after reading American columnists writing about how "hospitable" and "humanitarian" the Greeks are in comparison to those terrible, very bad, and quite possibly NAZI Hungarians. Greece doesn't intend to keep any of the migrants, it is weaponizing them and sending them north as revenge upon the rest of the EU.

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122 Comments:

Blogger Hammerli280 September 22, 2015 6:11 AM  

Ouch. One wonders how much of this whole crisis has been manufactured as part of intra-EU politics.

Blogger chris September 22, 2015 6:14 AM  

But... when Hungary and the Balkans all turn these people away at the border -- and it is going to happen , Brussels be damned -- then the rhorde will descend upon the Helenes.

At that poin tI expect the Greeks will be remarkably unhospitable. If they do not know how, Putin can teach them.

Blogger Salt September 22, 2015 6:19 AM  

Good for the Greeks. Never let a good crisis go to waste.

Blogger Rek. September 22, 2015 6:25 AM  

2 election cycles?! Really? I don't see how the MSM will be able to hold the frame in a year from now. This is going to blow up in pandemoniac proportions.

Blogger Sherwood family September 22, 2015 6:32 AM  

The Greeks took something that is a liability and turned it into an asset. However, in the same way that weaponizing mujahideen in Afghanistan to destroy the Soviets helped create the forces that brought down the World Trade Center, this Greek "gift" may get wrapped up and returned to sender.

Blogger Lovekraft September 22, 2015 6:33 AM  

just wondering, in trying to unravel the mess we're in:

if man isn't designed to live in such close proximity with the other, as testified in the countless millions killed in war and the present low-intensity urban warfare we see, what would be a solution? If homogeneity of culture (which would be complicated in itself - same religion, skin colour etc) is necessary, then there will have to be force used to resettle those in the west back to asia, africa, middle east.

But if this isn't desirable or possible, then the social conditioning that keeps the diverse communities from slaughtering each other is what we are seeing with sjw/cultural marxism. Urbanites mainly are the test tube for policies that are release valves, deflections, distractions. The vacuum it creates however is one which invites the conflict between the secular amoral state and Islam.

So the end result seems to be either 1. major conflict via scenario one, or low intensity conflict. Result being shit either way and little progress.

I prefer scenario 1 but also know that come two, three generations, the resolve will weaken and dilution of the strength that originally created this homogenous space will begin. The second scenario is kind of like this.



Blogger Mr.MantraMan September 22, 2015 6:50 AM  

Roosh is right about women and their need for supervision. Look at what that old gal up in Germany has done, might as well have elected Kim Kardashian.

Blogger Rek. September 22, 2015 7:00 AM  

I just looked at a local newspaper. Some dude got stabbed for making a joke at some girl he apparently knows. Her boyfriend came back with a couple of muslim bros and one of them stabbed him 4 times. You know, Diversity and all.

For those who speak french: http://www.lalibre.be/regions/bruxelles/uccle-poignarde-pour-une-reflexion-humoristique-5600fbee35700fb92f15cec9

Friday night, I was out. Big rumble broke out between savages. Street closed, cops, ambulance. A few minutes later, some dindu was dinduing some white kid. I (no friends, out on my own) verbally intervened and was met with pure aggressive verbal retaliation. I physically stood my ground but didn't say a word, the last thing I needed was escalation. Good thing low IQ groid left to talk to his friend, giving me the opportunity to tell the white kid to just beat it. What do u do when you are faced with a guy who'll just call his friends and fight to death because you call him out for acting like a savage?

Brussels needs open carry.

Blogger Steveo #238 September 22, 2015 7:12 AM  

Clearly it's time for us to get even with Canada.

Blogger DadOfTen September 22, 2015 7:37 AM  

Since Mexico has somewhat opened its southern borders to let "refugees" transit to the US, and made it incredibly painful for non-Mexicans "refugees" to stay in Mexico, it is only fair that we provide free transit to Canada for all the "refugees" fleeing through Mexico. Greece and the EU are such a shining example to us!!! Brilliant idea in #9 . Of course Canada may need to extend the favor and open their northern border to Russia.

Blogger Cataline Sergius September 22, 2015 7:42 AM  

Everybody overestimates the Germans. There is only so much more they will take and then you'll see!

Ain't seeing it yet. It almost seems as if the Germans just want Germany to fade away into something called Europe.

I'm curious do the Prussians still exist as any kind of tribal nationality?

Blogger Hammerli280 September 22, 2015 7:57 AM  

@10 Dad of Ten:

Why trouble the Canadians. Just ship the illegals to Russia directly from Mexico. I'm sure Vladimir Vladimirovich can figure out something to do with them.

Blogger Nate September 22, 2015 8:00 AM  

" it is weaponizing them and sending them north as revenge upon the rest of the EU."

...

This sounds familiar...

So... the Greeks say... if X... we will Y.

X happens. Then Y happens.

And yet people still don't grasp that the Greeks are doing it?

its precisely like Vox and the SJWs... Announce your intentions... follow through on your annoucement... laugh as your enemies still fail to understand your actions or intentions.

Blogger Patrikbc September 22, 2015 8:07 AM  

Excellent, the more misery heaped on the EU, the better.

Blogger Plump Pleasant Plumber September 22, 2015 8:10 AM  

I reckon the Germans lack testosterone. Feminism has worked very hard to destroy it.

Blogger Josh September 22, 2015 8:16 AM  

I reckon the Germans lack testosterone. Feminism has worked very hard to destroy it.

I reckon you don't know what you're talking about.

Blogger Cail Corishev September 22, 2015 8:19 AM  

Everybody overestimates the Germans. There is only so much more they will take and then you'll see!

Think of all the movies where a man just wants to be left alone to raise his family, and may even bend over backwards and concede things to avoid conflict, until at some point the bad guys go too far and he turns into a raving killing machine. Or if you prefer a musical reference, try Kenny Rogers's "Coward of the County."

There's something essentially German about that. Not that other tribes like the Brits won't defend themselves and their families, but I don't know if any other group has that extreme dichotomy between the wish to avoid conflict and keep things orderly, versus remorseless destruction once the switch is flipped. Being more than half-German I can see it in myself and my family: people who want nothing more than to live in peace and return the favor to others, and they'll put up with an incredible amount of crap in pursuit of that, but push them too far and they'll go absolutely nuts on you. Part of it is that they hate losing control, so they end up taking that out on the person who caused it as well, and it's an upward spiral.

If the Germans are still German as I know them, then if they get pushed into a corner, at some point they're going to go all Ralphie-on-Scut-Farkus on whomever they see as responsible, and probably everyone else who's looking at them funny at the time.

Blogger Jourdan September 22, 2015 8:22 AM  

I completely had forgotten the Greeks had threatened that. The crisis takes on a whole new light.

Blogger Nate September 22, 2015 8:27 AM  

Cail Corishev

You could replace german with brit and your whole post will still be just as true. It was the britts that set flaming tornados loose in Dresden.

Blogger Josh September 22, 2015 8:34 AM  

You could replace german with brit and your whole post will still be just as true. It was the britts that set flaming tornados loose in Dresden.

Of course the Brits and Germans are cousins, so we will see the wrath of the saxon in both.

Blogger Plump Pleasant Plumber September 22, 2015 8:36 AM  

Take a hard look at the German Army. Politically hamstrung, useless in a fight. Feminism run rampant.

Blogger Zach September 22, 2015 8:36 AM  

Cail,

Oh, that's a German thing? That explains so much...

peace,
Zach

Blogger Nate September 22, 2015 8:42 AM  

"Take a hard look at the German Army. Politically hamstrung, useless in a fight. Feminism run rampant. "


Do you live in Germany?

Blogger njartist September 22, 2015 8:46 AM  

Regarding Germany self-destructing: we need to remember that WWI and WWII were designed for the genocide of the German people; and, we have to recognize that the victorious allies deliberately starved to death millions of Germans post WWII. The West also allowed/encouraged the mass raping of German women by the Russians: think Slavic-Germanic hybrid: Merkel is a hybrid from East Germany: how many of her party's ruling members are also hybrids?

Blogger Josh September 22, 2015 8:48 AM  

think Slavic-Germanic hybrid: Merkel is a hybrid from East Germany: how many of her party's ruling members are also hybrids?

Like Prussians?

Blogger Cail Corishev September 22, 2015 8:49 AM  

Yeah, it would probably be more accurate to say Saxon, or point to the underlying ethnicity rather than nationality. I don't know how much of Germany they cover now, or just where the borders of the heavily-Saxon population would be today. I should probably hunt around and see if someone like hbd chick has info on that.

Blogger Nate September 22, 2015 8:50 AM  

"Regarding Germany self-destructing: we need to remember that WWI and WWII were designed for the genocide of the German people; and, we have to recognize that the victorious allies deliberately starved to death millions of Germans post WWII. The West also allowed/encouraged the mass raping of German women by the Russians: think Slavic-Germanic hybrid: Merkel is a hybrid from East Germany: how many of her party's ruling members are also hybrids?"

oh for fucks sake...

Blogger Josh September 22, 2015 8:51 AM  

Cail:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Saxony

Blogger Skylark Thibedeau September 22, 2015 8:53 AM  

Molon Labe indeed!

Blogger Josh September 22, 2015 8:54 AM  

The postwar German policy of discouraging German nationalism is not entirely irrational. The last time German nationalism was unleashed, they found themselves fighting against the entire world.

It's similar to having a friend who starts fights when he gets drunk.

OpenID basementhomebrewer September 22, 2015 8:59 AM  

Ah but the joke will be on the Greeks when all that vibrancy increases the German's strength..../sarcasm

Blogger Zaklog the Great September 22, 2015 9:01 AM  

This seems like very poor long-term strategy on the part of the Greeks. Do they really think the chaos wrought by these Muslims will stay in the rest of the EU? Then again, if they were good at long-term planning, they wouldn't have been in those financial straits to begin with.

Blogger Josh September 22, 2015 9:04 AM  

This seems like very poor long-term strategy on the part of the Greeks. Do they really think the chaos wrought by these Muslims will stay in the rest of the EU? Then again, if they were good at long-term planning, they wouldn't have been in those financial straits to begin with.

What they're doing is very similar to what Mexico is doing with central american migrants.

Blogger JartStar September 22, 2015 9:18 AM  

One thing's for certain is that the migrant crisis will not end until either the EU makes a deal with Russia or does something about it themselves. Obama's foreign policy in the Middle East is to pivot from Saudi Arabia and Israel and to ally ourselves loosely with Iran and try not to be involved much at all anymore.

Blogger Nate September 22, 2015 9:19 AM  

"Then again, if they were good at long-term planning, they wouldn't have been in those financial straits to begin with."

who's the dummy... the crackhead that borrows a billion dollars... or the banker that lends a billion dollars to a crackhead?

Blogger skiballa September 22, 2015 9:23 AM  

Does the crackhead have assets, does the banker have means to recover his loss?

Blogger Josh September 22, 2015 9:23 AM  

Obama's foreign policy in the Middle East is to pivot from Saudi Arabia and Israel and to ally ourselves loosely with Iran and try not to be involved much at all anymore.

We're not allied with Iran.

Blogger Nate September 22, 2015 9:30 AM  

"Does the crackhead have assets, does the banker have means to recover his loss?"

Crackheads don't have assets dumb dumb. And no... you can't collect a billion dollars that's been blown on crack and whores.

Blogger Cail Corishev September 22, 2015 9:30 AM  

What they're doing is very similar to what Mexico is doing with central american migrants.

Except that Greece is openly doing it to blackmail the Euros on something else. "We'll stop doing this if you stop doing that." What's Mexico trying to get the US to do in exchange for stopping the flow?

Come to think of it, why does Mexico help Central Americans get to the US? It seems counter-productive: fewer American jobs for Mexicans, less remittance back to Mexico, more likelihood that Americans will get fed up. Why does Mexico want to share a good thing? Is it just the more the merrier in the North American Reconquista?

Blogger Nate September 22, 2015 9:30 AM  

"We're not allied with Iran."

pssst...

obama is a muslim warrior...

wakeupsheeple

Blogger skiballa September 22, 2015 9:36 AM  

Greece does have assets though.

It's more like complaining that the loan shark came and busted your kneecaps after he promised he would if he didn't get his money. Both parties are complicit here.

I feel for the Greek citizens though, maybe they should break out the baseball bats.

Blogger skiballa September 22, 2015 9:37 AM  

Then again, that's what they're doing innit?

Blogger JartStar September 22, 2015 9:39 AM  

U.S., Iran fast becoming ever-stranger bedfellows | The Seattle Times

U.S. and Iran: From sworn enemies to partners on Iraq? - CNNPolitics.com

The United States and Iran may partner in Afghanistan, where there has already been “implicit collaboration,”

Alliances don't happen overnight generally, but are made around a common enemy. The Iran deal is a huge gamble, that by lifting the economic sanctions and normalizing relations as much as possible with Iran that the Iranian people will see a large economic boost. Out of this boost will come more political stability and desire not to fire the nukes once they get them as the population won't be so willing to die in a firestorm when they have a better standard of living.

Iran is already fighting ISIS so that gives them a common enemy with the US.

Blogger skiballa September 22, 2015 9:42 AM  

Let's not talk about common enemies when it's a Sunni/Shi'a fight.

Blogger Michelle *VFM #311* September 22, 2015 9:43 AM  

Prussian pride! We've been talking about Prussian resurgence around here and think it's unlikely. Both sides of my family are Prussian immigrants, from just prior to WWII. The old folks back when I was a child lamented the fact that their entire remaining families were wiped out in the forced march and starvation post-war. My grandmother thought the Prussians were completely wiped out. Since the Prussians were the Germanic folks with the extra bit of war in their souls, and since the Germans all seem to be emulating "Deiter at Sprockets" on the 'tubes I don't think Germany has a lot of the knockout punch left. But here's hoping the other commenters are right and it's lying in wait inside to come out when the time is right.

Blogger Were-Puppy September 22, 2015 9:47 AM  

@8 Rek
What do u do when you are faced with a guy who'll just call his friends and fight to death because you call him out for acting like a savage?
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Make sure you are carrying a gun with at least 17 ammo capacity and have extra magazine on you. If it's life threatening, don't bother talking, start shooting.

Blogger rumpole5 September 22, 2015 9:53 AM  

I know it's a repeat, but:
THE WRATH OF THE AWAKENED SAXON by Rudyard Kipling

It was not part of their blood,
It came to them very late,
With long arrears to make good,
When the Saxon began to hate.

They were not easily moved,
They were icy -- willing to wait
Till every count should be proved,
Ere the Saxon began to hate.

Their voices were even and low.
Their eyes were level and straight.
There was neither sign nor show
When the Saxon began to hate.

It was not preached to the crowd.
It was not taught by the state.
No man spoke it aloud
When the Saxon began to hate.

It was not suddently bred.
It will not swiftly abate.
Through the chilled years ahead,
When Time shall count from the date
That the Saxon began to to hate.

Blogger Bill September 22, 2015 10:09 AM  

I seem to remember reading, back in college, that the Franks were the only group ever to go toe-to-toe with the full Roman army, at the height of the Roman civilization, and win in a stand-up fight. Even those blue bastards never won in real open-field combat. And it's not like the old Frank tribes ever really went away, regardless of what label they have on the maps today. And they've always punched above their weight when it comes to organized mass killing. I don't know that I'd give the erstwhile Saracens very good odds, or for that matter, anyone south of the Franks once they get up a good head of steam.

Blogger Were-Puppy September 22, 2015 10:11 AM  

@39 Cail Corishev
What's Mexico trying to get the US to do in exchange for stopping the flow?

Come to think of it, why does Mexico help Central Americans get to the US? It seems counter-productive: fewer American jobs for Mexicans, less remittance back to Mexico, more likelihood that Americans will get fed up. Why does Mexico want to share a good thing? Is it just the more the merrier in the North American Reconquista?
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I doubt that's the reason. But we can be sure Mexico is in it for Mexico. I wouldn't be surprised if Obama has some kind of hidden deal with them to push them through.

Blogger luagha September 22, 2015 10:15 AM  

If we're not allied with Iran, why did we just enter into an agreement that calls on us to defend them if they're attacked?

Blogger Gaiseric ! September 22, 2015 10:16 AM  

@48: that's not true. Plenty of folks beat the Romans toe to toe. And the Franks were largely a post-"height of Roman civilization" phenomena anyway, depending on where you draw that line.

I mean, why you gotta diss Brennus and the Cimbri and Gaiseric and Theoderic and Alaric and Attila, and the and the Alammani, and Arminius, and the Parthians and the Sassanids, etc.?

Blogger Were-Puppy September 22, 2015 10:17 AM  

@50 luagha
If we're not allied with Iran, why did we just enter into an agreement that calls on us to defend them if they're attacked?
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Say what? If that's true, it's beyond ridiculous.

Blogger Markku September 22, 2015 10:20 AM  

why did we just enter into an agreement that calls on us to defend them if they're attacked?

I don't know the details, but this sounds like a good deal. They stop their nuclear program now, whereas you might do something in the indefinite future if something might or might not happen. And OF COURSE you don't actually do what you said you would. There is always an excuse to fade.

Blogger Markku September 22, 2015 10:22 AM  

For example, demand such control over the military situation that Muslims would never agree to it. Their refusal then gives you an excuse to do nothing.

Blogger Maple Curtain September 22, 2015 10:27 AM  

Would that make Greek's actions, the first action of the next European conflagration?

If so, they can disband the EU today as its only reason for existence was to stop war between European states.

It's Groundhog Day: September 1, 1939.

Blogger Alexander September 22, 2015 10:33 AM  

So... Iran agreed to be the next Ukraine?

I thought they were brighter than that, but there you go.

Blogger Bill September 22, 2015 10:41 AM  

@51 Blogger Gaiseric !
I'm thinking of the Battle(s) of the Teutoburg Forest from about 9AD to about 50AD. During the initial battle the Romans lost three full legions. And Rome tried several times over the next forty years to take that area, eventually sending well over half of their total army into the forest, and despite incursions they never really held it. This is widely regarded as the major turning point of the Roman Empire (viewed much the same way the Battle of Midway is viewed as the turning point in WW-II pacific theater). After that, the Romans never went past the Rhine, and things just deteriorated. I mean, when HALF your army is chewed up and spit out, retreating in tatters, with thousands of your soldiers committing suicide rather than being taken alive because they were so scared of the enemy, and with most of the support people left behind to be sold into slavery, then, yeah, you can expect to lose more battles after that.

Blogger JartStar September 22, 2015 10:45 AM  

@52 Kerry Indicates US Will Defend Iran from Israel - US & Canada - News - Arutz Sheva

Kerry Admits U.S. Will Help Protect Iran's Nuclear Program From Sabotage - Washington Free Beacon

At least in this one area, sorta. I'm sure the US could just claim ignorance, but it's there. There's no little doubt that the Obama administration made the conscious effort to pivot our support away from Israel. Also, the US spent about 70 years trying to keep Russia out of the Middle East and has now stepped aside to give Syria to Russia. It's a remarkable shift in policy which will likely have some serious, long-term repercussions for the region.

Blogger Dexter September 22, 2015 10:46 AM  

As the old saying goes, “Never beware of Greeks bearing gifts.”

The saying is beware of Greeks bearing gifts.

(i.e., always not never)

Timeo Danaos et dona ferentes is a Latin phrase from Aeneid (II, 49), written by Virgil between 29 and 19 BC. It has been paraphrased in English as the proverb "Beware of Greeks bearing gifts".

Blogger Nate September 22, 2015 10:47 AM  

"
The saying is beware of Greeks bearing gifts.

(i.e., always not never)

Timeo Danaos et dona ferentes is a Latin phrase from Aeneid (II, 49), written by Virgil between 29 and 19 BC. It has been paraphrased in English as the proverb "Beware of Greeks bearing gifts"."


GOD DAMMIT

Blogger Gaiseric ! September 22, 2015 10:49 AM  

Thank you, Dexter. Now go read the article again. Geez.

OpenID corvinus333 September 22, 2015 11:00 AM  

But... when Hungary and the Balkans all turn these people away at the border -- and it is going to happen , Brussels be damned -- then the rhorde will descend upon the Helenes.

At that poin tI expect the Greeks will be remarkably unhospitable. If they do not know how, Putin can teach them.


@2 chris
Hungary is the only country with any sense.

The Croats are being complete f*cking morons about the situation, pissing off the Hungarians even further by dumping illegals as fast as possible into Hungary before the Hungarians finish their second border fence with Croatia. (Croatia's president boasted about "forcing" Hungary to take the illegals, and that he was going to continue doing it!) They weren't even going to do a border fence with Croatia -- they were mentioning Romania before -- until the Croats pulled that dirty trick.

Let the Yugo dumbasses stew. They f*cking deserve it.

@24 njartist
Apparently you don't know that James Bacque was pulling shit out of his ass. Also, we had no control over the Russians, so you can blame the raping on the Yalta sellout.

Since the Prussians were the Germanic folks with the extra bit of war in their souls,

@45 Michelle
Yeah, they seemed to have been the Germans' war caste, essentially.

The Austrians, who were beaten by the Italians twice (around 1870, and World War I), most certainly aren't.

OpenID Steve September 22, 2015 11:21 AM  

It's similar to having a friend who starts fights when he gets drunk.

the difference is they came close to winning against the world both times, if not for saboteurs.

"Then again, if they were good at long-term planning, they wouldn't have been in those financial straits to begin with."

Considering that the EU & non ethnic greek politicians force them to treat illegal aliens better than citizens, They had 1 out of every 10 people in the Nation as an illegal alien and 9 productive citizens are not enough to support a 3rd worlder in 1st world style. From the Swiss example I pointed out several times it takes the taxes of over 300 per each 3rd worlder to be elevated into a 1st world lifestyle.

Nate "We're not allied with Iran."pssst...obama is a muslim warrior...

The white house and MSM will cry out for trump to correct this man. Cuckservatives will jump up and say" I would have defended queen Obama's honor."

It's more like complaining that the loan shark came and busted your kneecaps after he promised

The non ethnic Greek politicians are the ones needing the busted kneecaps.

At that poin tI expect the Greeks will be remarkably unhospitable. If they do not know how, Putin can teach them.

I give you One Golden Dawn vs. 30 3rd world scum. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfUolJ3MVpI

-bgs

Blogger Dexter September 22, 2015 11:23 AM  

(shrug) if it's intended as irony, it doesn't come across well.

Blogger Nate September 22, 2015 11:23 AM  

"(shrug) if it's intended as irony, it doesn't come across well."

Dude.

Its not irony. Learn to fucking read.

Blogger VD September 22, 2015 11:24 AM  

the difference is they came close to winning against the world both times, if not for saboteurs.

They came close the first time. Not the second.

Blogger Dexter September 22, 2015 11:25 AM  

we need to remember that WWI and WWII were designed for the genocide of the German people

Pretty stupid of them to start both wars then.

WWII was designed for the genocide of the Russian people, who are also white, by the way.

Blogger Gaiseric ! September 22, 2015 11:45 AM  

WWII was designed for the genocide of the Russian people, who are also white, by the way.

I've heard some compelling arguments that suggest we backed the wrong evil dictator during WW2, but that's a new one to me.

Blogger Skylark Thibedeau September 22, 2015 11:47 AM  

"They came close the first time. Not the second."

If not for Wilson needing to bail out the bankers who lent too much to the Allies they would have won the first time.

Blogger Doom September 22, 2015 11:48 AM  

Fair enough, to a degree. At least they gave fair warning. Though I am not quite sure Germany cares. And Greece didn't exactly deserve to be treated kindly. A hooker that stays around, after already having been paid, will get what she gets. And she got it. Nada.

The one thing I will say is, as a course of revenge, this will work right up until it fails. Greece, as I have suggested, may be lost to islam. A sudden stoppage to shoveling the nasties through, before they can plug them entering, may end with Greece having more muslims than Turkey. As fat, lazy, and old as the typical Greek is, that will not bode well. Especially with Europe, potentially, furious with Greece for this shit candy bar they've been tossing to Europe and the financial shenanigans (right or wrong means little with regard to perceptions at times, if a pox upon both their homes is more true).

It's just entertainment, for me, at this point. The economic collapse of the US and the world economy, is a foregone conclusion. Only when and how hard/fast is left to be seen. So... might as well watch an international catfight across several borders, conditions, and groups. It does entertain.

Blogger JaimeInTexas September 22, 2015 11:49 AM  

@49, @39

Mexico puts resources in their Southern border. But, once the immigrants get past a certain distance, since their destination are these uSA, it is cheaper to get them across the Norther border quickly. Mexico WILL NOT let them stay in Mexico, regardless.

Blogger Markku September 22, 2015 11:52 AM  

Not the second

They would have won, if it weren't for lack of new features in the demo trial of Microsoft’s Flight Simulator X, being banned from XBOX Live, Twitter being down, Obama visiting Berlin, sub-prime mortgage crisis, Sarah Palin resigning and Usain Bolt breaking 100m dash world record.

OpenID savantissimo September 22, 2015 11:58 AM  

Back in March I commented:

"The Greeks have one huge military asset that nobody has factored in to the calculations: several thousand large cargo ships with very little to do. Why not use them to do a boat-lift from N. Africa or even the Horn of Africa to, say, Trieste or just across the border in Croatia or Slovenia? Five hours by road to Munich, and all the enrichment can go to the creditors without ever touching down in Greece (not unlike most of the money)."

Blogger Danby September 22, 2015 11:59 AM  

@48 Bill
I seem to remember reading, back in college, that the Franks were the only group ever to go toe-to-toe with the full Roman army, at the height of the Roman civilization, and win in a stand-up fight. Even those blue bastards never won in real open-field combat. And it's not like the old Frank tribes ever really went away, regardless of what label they have on the maps today. And they've always punched above their weight when it comes to organized mass killing. I don't know that I'd give the erstwhile Saracens very good odds, or for that matter, anyone south of the Franks once they get up a good head of steam.

It was Kipling who said "The business of the French middle classes is war. And the French are very good at business."

Blogger MendoScot September 22, 2015 12:19 PM  

So how do you say enhanced foreigner supervision in Finnish, Markku?

Blogger David-093 September 22, 2015 12:23 PM  

"Regarding Germany self-destructing: we need to remember that WWI and WWII were designed for the genocide of the German people;"

Genocide? No. World War I was a clusterfuck of European proportions that eventually got pinned on Germany because the Brits had won and France wanted revenge. World War II was not genocide of the Germans until they started invading and attacking everyone, then it became a war of annihilation. The Germans were evil to the Russians, and vice versa.

"and, we have to recognize that the victorious allies deliberately starved to death millions of Germans post WWII."

Wrong again. About a million starved to death, and in case it's difficult to comprehend, there was a famine going on all over Europe at the time due to the war. Eisenhower may have had no love for the Germans, but there's precious little evidence that he deliberately starved them to death. But yes, there was the "Morganthal(sp?) Plan" that called for the starvation of the Germans, which was never implemented.

"The West also allowed/encouraged the mass raping of German women by the Russians:"

Nope. It was stated Russian policy to allow their soldiers to rape as many German women as they could. Americans and Brits never engaged in widespread campaigns like that, nor was it policy.

Blogger Dexter September 22, 2015 12:30 PM  

It was Kipling who said "The business of the French middle classes is war. And the French are very good at business."

Feh. When was the last time France, by itself, won a war against a white country? 1809?

The West also allowed/encouraged the mass raping of German women by the Russians

The West had exactly zero control over what occurred in the Soviet occupation zone.

Rape and atrocity was for ethnic cleansing purposes -- Stalin wanted the Germans out of Silesia, East Prussia, and Pomerania, since he wanted to make them part of Poland, and he reasoned quite correctly that Red Army terror would cause the German population to flee to the West.

Also, payback is a bitch. The Germans were not nice in occupied Russia, and the Russians repaid them with interest.

OpenID Jack Amok September 22, 2015 12:34 PM  

I do not know many younger Germans, and it has been over 20 years since I last travelled to Germany, so I cannot know for certain what they will do. But I do know these few facts. The Germans are saddled with the 68ers, their version of the Boomers, in positions of authority. Reunification was a huge burden and absorbed a great deal of their attention over the last two decades. Germans live up to the stereotype of being orderly and having great respect for rules and, as Cail said, reacting rather strongly when they don't think they can follow the rules.

Also these facts: The 68ers, like the Boomers, are just now beginning to shuffle along their way off the stage (not fast enough, and they'll need a few good shoves, but they are going). Reunification is done and the major bills paid, so Germans will be able to focus more attention outwards now. And the rules are getting harder and harder to follow as the untenable structure built by the Tranzis runs out of resources and starts to break down.

The biggest surprise would be if things didn't change.

And just for speculation sake, how much different might the 20th Century have been if Kaiser Wilhelm II had been a different sort of man. What if he'd been born with two good arms, or what if Bismarck had been hit by a truck before he could poison the young prince's heart? Damn it all that trucks were invented too late.

Blogger Danby September 22, 2015 12:35 PM  

Feh. When was the last time France, by itself, won a war against a white country? 1809?

When was the last time the US, by itself, won a war against a White country? 1865?

Blogger Chris Mallory September 22, 2015 12:46 PM  

@58

If by "There's no little doubt that the Obama administration made the conscious effort to pivot our support away from Israel. " you mean send them even more welfare than we already do, then you are correct.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/07/16/white-house-reportedly-offers-to-boost-military-aid-to-israel-after-iran-deal/

https://www.rt.com/usa/310049-us-military-aid-israel/

"has now stepped aside to give Syria to Russia."

Syria has had close relations with Russia since the 1950s. Russia has had a naval base in Syria since 1971.


OpenID corvinus333 September 22, 2015 12:50 PM  

In other news, apparently the idiot Croats are starting to get the realization they royally screwed up. They're starting to beg Greece to not wave migrants north any more. Heheheh.

Also, payback is a bitch. The Germans were not nice in occupied Russia, and the Russians repaid them with interest.

@77 Dexter
True. From what I understand, the Germans actually did let about three million Soviet POWs simply die, which is about three times worse than what James Bacque claims we did to the Germans, or about half of what the Jews allegedly lost.

OpenID corvinus333 September 22, 2015 12:52 PM  

It was also worse both absolutely and percentagewise than what the Germans lost in the gulags, for that matter.

Blogger Gaiseric ! September 22, 2015 12:58 PM  

Rape and atrocity was for ethnic cleansing purposes -- Stalin wanted the Germans out of Silesia, East Prussia, and Pomerania, since he wanted to make them part of Poland, and he reasoned quite correctly that Red Army terror would cause the German population to flee to the West.

Also, payback is a bitch. The Germans were not nice in occupied Russia, and the Russians repaid them with interest.


Vae victis, in other words.

The lesson from Germany in the two world wars and the Confederacy in the "Civil" War is to never surrender.

Blogger Anonymous Robot September 22, 2015 1:25 PM  

The lesson from Germany in the two world wars and the Confederacy in the "Civil" War is to never surrender.

And the lesson from Libya and etc is: Get nukes as fast as you can.

Blogger Skylark Thibedeau September 22, 2015 1:34 PM  

Russia has had close ties with Syria since it was part of the United Arab Republic under Doctor Assad's father and Egypt's Nasser.

Blogger Cataline Sergius September 22, 2015 1:35 PM  

They came close the first time. Not the second.

I gave up on a alt history I was writing because I couldn't convince my Alpha readers that German's came with in a hair's breadth of winning on the Marne. History was in stone so far as they were concerned, the Marne was never in danger and I couldn't convince them it was.

That and they couldn't quite get what difference it would have made if Wilhem II's father Fredrick III had lived to a ripe old Prussian age of 85. Admittedly cancer treatments weren't that good but a proper diagnosis in time might have saved his life.

Blogger James Dixon September 22, 2015 1:55 PM  

> The lesson from Germany in the two world wars and the Confederacy in the "Civil" War is to never surrender.

Never surrender and don't pretend that war can be fought in a gentlemanly way.

Blogger Skylark Thibedeau September 22, 2015 1:58 PM  

The US did beat Spain by itself in 1898 but then again so did Morocco at Annual.

Blogger Bill September 22, 2015 2:03 PM  

Heck, no need to wonder about whether or not Germany almost won Round Two. Everyone, and I mean EVERYONE writing about it at the time thought that if the Axis reserves had entered the fight at Normandy in the first week then the Allies would have been pushed back into the Atlantic. This is why Patton is said to have won WW-II "single-handedly". The Axis just couldn't believe that Normandy was the main landing and Patton wasn't there - they kept looking for Patton to surprise them at Dover.

The initial troop strength during the first few days of the Normandy Invasion were 156,000 Allied troops against 50,000 Axis troops and it was hard-fought. Had the Axis powers deployed the Fifteenth Army, positioned about 150 miles north of the invasion site with over 60,000 troops, that would easily have turned the battle.

The fact that they waited a MONTH to get their reserves into play was what doomed them. It's that simple.

Blogger Josh September 22, 2015 2:07 PM  

Heck, no need to wonder about whether or not Germany almost won Round Two. Everyone, and I mean EVERYONE writing about it at the time thought that if the Axis reserves had entered the fight at Normandy in the first week then the Allies would have been pushed back into the Atlantic.

So what? That wouldn't have won the war for Germany. It was already over by that time.

Blogger Bill September 22, 2015 2:13 PM  

What killed Germany was fighting a two front war - I think all reasonable people agree on this rather obvious point. If they could have pushed back the Allied invasion, and pulled back from the Russian Front until they had maintainable logistics, they might not have "won" by Hitler's metrics, but Europe would look a whole lot different.

Blogger Bill September 22, 2015 2:16 PM  

Wait. Hold on just a freaking minute! Did Michelle Malkin write a book about the European Theater during WW-II?

Blogger Josh September 22, 2015 2:23 PM  

What killed Germany was fighting a two front war - I think all reasonable people agree on this rather obvious point.

No. What killed them was the gap between production capacity.

Blogger Danby September 22, 2015 2:27 PM  

... and pulled back from the Russian Front until they had maintainable logistics...

That was, by 1943, their only source of oil. They couldn't pull back very far without losing their access to Caucasian oil..

Allow retreat from Stalingrad would have helped a bit though. That's what really broke the back of the German regular army. The men and materiel lost there could have been used to force peace terms on Stalin and set up a defensible border.

Blogger SirHamster (#201) September 22, 2015 2:32 PM  

How does Germany win the war if nuclear weapons are deployed against them instead of Japan?

Blogger Bill September 22, 2015 2:41 PM  

After a failed Allied invasion the US would have concentrated on defending Britain, defending the US east coast from submarine attacks, and been willing to give Germany the rest of northern Europe in order to focus on the Japanese - this actually would have been a very attractive situation in the view of the public as well the military leaders. Another invasion just wasn't in the cards.

The overwhelming production advantage of the Allies was because of the United States. The Soviets had decent numbers, but, well, it probably doesn't bear pointing out how awful their tanks and fighter aircraft were (they did have decent close air support aircraft, and some bombers, but they relied heavily on the lend-lease agreement for things that actually had to work).

Blogger Dexter September 22, 2015 2:43 PM  

EVERYONE writing about it at the time thought that if the Axis reserves had entered the fight at Normandy in the first week then the Allies would have been pushed back into the Atlantic. This is why Patton is said to have won WW-II "single-handedly".

Patton wasn't involved in the first week of the Normandy invasion (he didn't come ashore until August) but whatever.

The Germans couldn't be strong everywhere. And no matter what happened in France, the Germans couldn't have stopped the Soviets from rolling in from the east.

The Germans defeat D-Day, and it only benefits the Soviets, who conquer not only all of Germany but France as well.

Blogger Bill September 22, 2015 2:45 PM  

@95 Blogger SirHamster (#201)
How does Germany win the war if nuclear weapons are deployed against them instead of Japan?

Wouldn't have happened. We probably would have had terms with Germany by late 1944 or early 1945 if the invasion failed. We didn't get the bomb until August of '45. (heck, as it was we had beaten Germany before we got the bomb)

Blogger Eraser September 22, 2015 2:49 PM  

@15: I reckon the Germans lack testosterone. Feminism has worked very hard to destroy it.
@21: Take a hard look at the German Army. Politically hamstrung, useless in a fight. Feminism run rampant.

I'm not going to comment on testosterone levels but in recent times there certainly seem to be an awful lot of SJW-ish mentality coming from Germany: feminism and gender issues (not too far behind Sweden), pacifism, environmentalism, anti-nuclear power. As well as banning violent video games. It used to be the case until very recently that violent games had to have a special low-violence version to get past German censors (no blood, no corpses, etc.).

@11: I'm curious do the Prussians still exist as any kind of tribal nationality?

I don't think so. Some Bavarians like to refer to non-Bavarian Germans as 'those Prussians' (Bavaria has a somewhat different culture from the rest of Germany, and by some accounts they consider themselves superior), but as far as I know this is usually meant to be spiteful or funny. I guess it's not that different from the way yankee/southron is used in the US.

OpenID corvinus333 September 22, 2015 3:08 PM  

I'm not going to comment on testosterone levels but in recent times there certainly seem to be an awful lot of SJW-ish mentality coming from Germany: feminism and gender issues (not too far behind Sweden), pacifism, environmentalism, anti-nuclear power.

@99 Eraser
Sweden has taken in so many darkies that it's at a tipping point where SJWism is desperately trying to maintain its hegemony over the country in the face of rising nationalism brought on by the darkie horde.

Germany, by contrast, isn't nearly at that point yet. Most of its foreigners right now are other Europeans, not asylum-seekers. I'd say Germany is somewhat more like how Sweden was in 1995 or so -- a few darkies, but nothing to give them pause, with most of their Muslims being white-ish Turks and Bosnians -- and hence perceives itself as more able to get away with SJW stupidity (e.g., Merkel with the current flood of darkie asylum-seekers).

It'd be a shame if Germany had to become 15% darkie like Sweden before it gets sense knocked into it, but something tells me that won't be the case.

Blogger Dexter September 22, 2015 3:18 PM  

Wouldn't have happened. We probably would have had terms with Germany by late 1944 or early 1945 if the invasion failed. We didn't get the bomb until August of '45. (heck, as it was we had beaten Germany before we got the bomb)

Nah. If Normandy had failed, we'd still be fighting in Italy, and the Soviets still rolling in from the East. No reason to ask for terms. We'd keep pouring on the bombs, and eventually the atomics.

Blogger Joshua_D September 22, 2015 3:19 PM  

And here I thought the Eurozone countries were just one big happy family.

Blogger Dexter September 22, 2015 3:21 PM  

The Soviets had decent numbers, but, well, it probably doesn't bear pointing out how awful their tanks and fighter aircraft were

Their tanks were better than German tanks, and they had more of them.

The Yak-9 and the Sturmovik were excellent.

OpenID corvinus333 September 22, 2015 3:25 PM  

How does Germany win the war if nuclear weapons are deployed against them instead of Japan?

@95 SirHamster
It's possible the American public would look upon nuking Germany with revulsion in a way they didn't with Japan. There was a poll of American troops at the time which said that about a third of them would "really like" to kill Japanese, but only 4% would really like to kill Germans.

Yeah, I know, Hamburg and Dresden, but a mass firebombing wouldn't have had the attention-grabbing nature a nuking would.

Blogger Dexter September 22, 2015 3:59 PM  

It's possible the American public would look upon nuking Germany with revulsion in a way they didn't with Japan.

Meh. If it were August 1945 and we were still fighting Germany because D-Day had failed, and they asked the public "should we nuke Germany or try invading again even though we failed last time" what do you think the public would say?

Blogger SirHamster (#201) September 22, 2015 4:01 PM  

It's possible the American public would look upon nuking Germany with revulsion in a way they didn't with Japan. There was a poll of American troops at the time which said that about a third of them would "really like" to kill Japanese, but only 4% would really like to kill Germans.

Yeah, I know, Hamburg and Dresden, but a mass firebombing wouldn't have had the attention-grabbing nature a nuking would.


But only in hindsight, after the war ...

And if they're able to firebomb cities with 4% "really want to kill", I don't think that'd stop them from nuking a city or two, especially if there's a bloody failed D-Day op to avenge.

Blogger Alexander September 22, 2015 4:49 PM  

At least last time, the Greeks gave their 'gift' in a really pretty package.

Now, the Germans are looking at some smelly angry Arabs and thinking: yep, we'll take that, thanks.

Until now they aren't, I guess. But still, it says something for the Trojans that the Greeks had to make an effort.

Blogger Hammerli280 September 22, 2015 5:36 PM  

@97 Dexter:

The Germans were convinced that Normandy was a feint. Eisenhower had invested in a massive deception effort that involved his best commander (Patton), significant diversion of air strikes, and considerable fake radio traffic to convince the Germans that the main Allied thrust was going to be at the Pas de Calais.

Having said that, if Normandy had failed, the odds were good that Eisenhower would be canned, Patton would take command...and a second invasion launched. The question being whether to go into Northern France, or Southern France.

Nevertheless, Vox is right. The Germans came FAR closer in the Great War. They had beaten the Russians, and were moving the armies from the Eastern Front to the West...and were still holding French and Belgian territory.

Only American intervention saved the Allied bacon in that one. Especially since defeating Russia makes trade possible with Russia...and the Royal Navy couldn't blockade Russian wheat.

Blogger JCclimber September 22, 2015 8:23 PM  

They set up a top notch masking operation that convinced German high command that the main invasion would be from the south of France. Involved a dead body released by submarine off the coast of Spain, a complete fake identity and carefully crafted courier notes, etc... Read up on it, it is a very interesting true spy story.

It was called something like "The Man Who Didn't Exist" or something like that. They got his body from a morgue in London and put it into cold storage after getting permission from family to use that body.

Anyway, the allies were not going to lose at Normandy, but it could have been much, much bloodier, especially if the Panzers had mobilized earlier. I think there was divine intervention in several cases.

Blogger Bill September 22, 2015 8:55 PM  

The dead guy story is retold in the book Operation Mincemeat. Another really good book is Agent Zigzag, which is what happens when you recruit a criminal to be a spy - a highly effective spy, but he was a criminal first.

Blogger Bill September 22, 2015 8:56 PM  

Patton was suspended during the invasion, due to the slapping incidents. The Germans didn't believe we'd actually suspend our best battlefield general, so they were convinced he was planning the invasion.

OpenID Jack Amok September 22, 2015 11:24 PM  

The German reserves wouldn't have cleared the beaches.

And Patton was not "suspended" during the invasion. He was used as a decoy because the Germans thought highly of him (or maybe just because they assumed the guy who led the last landing would lead the next one) and promptly given command of the exploitation force as soon as there was a breakout in Normandy. If Ike had thought he needed Patton to lead the invasion, Patton would have led it. If any political concerns got in the way, it was the need to throw the Brits a bone by letting Monty lead the ground forces in the assault. It would have been a rum thing to do to Patton to put him under Monty for Overlord.

All in all, Ike made excellent use of his best tank commander, and if Monty hadn't dragged his damn heels capturing ports, Patton might have been in Berlin by Christmas 44.

The Germans were doomed as soon as they didn't knock out the USSR on the first punch.

Blogger SciVo September 23, 2015 12:39 AM  

@ Jack Amok: "The Germans were doomed as soon as they didn't knock out the USSR on the first punch."

One of the best graphs ever is time on the X-axis and several on the Y, such as German casualties and temperature.

OpenID Jack Amok September 23, 2015 2:20 AM  

What killed Germany was fighting a two front war - I think all reasonable people agree on this rather obvious point.

And yet, twice in a row they ended up in a two-front war. You might say it came with the territory. Literally. Germany is smack in the middle of an open plain with great powers on either side. Even with all the effort they put both times into eliminating one enemy so they could focus on the other, it never paid off.

One of the best graphs ever is time on the X-axis and several on the Y, such as German casualties and temperature.

And then there's Mnard's graph of the size of Napoleon's army vs distance east (and back again - well, for a few of them anyway). Perhaps the modern world's first Infographic?

Blogger SciVo September 23, 2015 3:04 AM  

Jack Amok: And then there's Mnard's graph of the size of Napoleon's army vs distance east (and back again - well, for a few of them anyway). Perhaps the modern world's first Infographic?

Dammit! That's the one I was thinking of. Another invasion of Russia, of course.

Blogger Bill September 23, 2015 9:21 AM  

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Blogger Bill September 23, 2015 9:35 AM  

It's surprising that everyone is ignoring the political ramifications of a failed invasion. If that had happened, there would have been a huge shakeup in the American command structure, and the political will to fight would have been lost - even if America continued in the war it would have been six months or more before any serious action could have been undertaken. Concurrently, the Soviets would never, under any circumstances, be maneuvered into continuing the war against Germany on their own. As it was, Stalin was incensed that he was "tricked" into war. Stalin really, really wanted the US to fight China, that had been his gambit all along - and it was obviously not happening as the US was fighting China's eternal nemesis - Japan.

If the invasion failed: Within three months the Soviets would have beaten up Germany enough to force a peace treaty, the US would have continued on in the Pacific theater, and northern Europe would henceforth be known as Germany.

And everyone is just ignoring the staggering Soviet casualties. Here's a fantastic video about the losses during WW-II, pay attention to the Soviet numbers.
https://vimeo.com/128373915

Blogger Bill September 23, 2015 9:49 AM  

I mis-pasted in comment 116, here's the corrected version.

@112 Jack Amok
Patton was suspended for 11 months, at least according to Patton: A Biography, by Alan Axelrod (page 108).

Here is an excerpt from Patton's biography page linked to his eponymous movie:
http://www.imdb.com/character/ch0028822/bio
... during a visit by Patton to a field hospital ... Patton accused the soldier of malingering and cowardice and slapped him in the face. Under outcry from the public at home once news of the slapping incident broke out, Patton publicly apologized to the soldier, but was relieved of command of the 7th Army.

For nearly a year, Patton was "on probation" and without command, but General Eisenhower, recognizing that Patton was the Allied commander most feared by the Germans, used his reputation as part of a deception plan in the upcoming invasion of France. While plans went forth for the actual invasion from England across the western end of the English Channel at Normandy (Operation Overlord), Eisenhower summoned Patton to England and had him establish a headquarters for a phantom Army Group, with dummy troop concentrations and weapons buildups and fake radio traffic at the eastern end of the Channel, around its narrowest point across from Calais. An incident at Knutsford, England, in which Patton made a speech that was perceived to be a slight against the Soviet allies (controversy still remains as to whether or not he actually omitted them in remarks about rule of the postwar world) threatened to further sink his career and end even his command of the phantom force.

The deception succeeded, with the Germans convinced that the landings in Normandy on June 6, 1944 were only a diversion. The Germans were still keeping a large portion of their own armored forces in the Calais area, awaiting the "real" invasion by Patton's phantom Army Group, when his new real command, the heavily armored US 3rd Army, arrived at the established beachheads in Normandy in August 1944.

OpenID Jack Amok September 23, 2015 11:01 AM  

Yes, of course Patton got in trouble publically for the slapping incident, but he wasn't going to command the invasion forces anyway. That was going to be Montgomery as a sop to the British for Ike having overall command, and Bradley had been selected as the commander of American ground forces before the slapping incident ever occurred. Ike and rest of the top US brass - Marshall most importantly - thought Patton was an excellent Army commander, but too impulsive and lacking the people skills required for Army Group command. (He had flatly disobeyed and order from his commander Alexander in Sicily in order to be first into Messina, and had increasingly quarreled with his own subordinates during the Sicily campaign).

And it's not true that he had no command for nearly a year. Patton had been in command of the 3rd Army for over five months by D-Day, and his job during those months was to get 3rd Army ready for combat in the breakout phase of the invasion (with the deception plan added in as well).

So he was not "suspended" from command because of the slapping incident. He claimed so, but he was a proud man and it probably didn't occur to him (or he wouldn't let it occur to him) that his former student Ike really did think Patton's former subordinate Bradley was a better fit for Group command. And remember, Patton was dead 18 months after the invasion, so he didn't really have much chance to reflect on it.

Blogger SirHamster (#201) September 23, 2015 2:23 PM  

And everyone is just ignoring the staggering Soviet casualties. Here's a fantastic video about the losses during WW-II, pay attention to the Soviet numbers.
https://vimeo.com/128373915


Great video, thanks.

A little disturbed by the last part, where the narration turns hopeful about the duration of the long peace, and shows a clock going forward from ":59" towards ":00".

Reminded me of the nuclear apocalypse clock.

Blogger Bill September 23, 2015 3:07 PM  

Yeah, listen to that narration against the backdrop of the historical periods of peace, and what's currently happening in Europe. Then go get a stiff drink.

OpenID Jack Amok September 23, 2015 11:59 PM  

Yeah, listen to that narration against the backdrop of the historical periods of peace, and what's currently happening in Europe. Then go get a stiff drink.

Maybe more then one stiff drink.

I think there are an awful lot of people who - despite all the pictures they've no doubt seen - have absolutely no concept of cities being shelled, bombed and starved.

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