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Monday, September 21, 2015

The moral imperative of foreign intervention

Be sure to bring this military policy up the next time someone is telling you that there is a moral imperative demanding U.S. military intervention abroad:
Rampant sexual abuse of children has long been a problem in Afghanistan, particularly among armed commanders who dominate much of the rural landscape and can bully the population. The practice is called bacha bazi, literally “boy play,” and American soldiers and Marines have been instructed not to intervene — in some cases, not even when their Afghan allies have abused boys on military bases, according to interviews and court records.

The policy has endured as American forces have recruited and organized Afghan militias to help hold territory against the Taliban. But soldiers and Marines have been increasingly troubled that instead of weeding out pedophiles, the American military was arming them in some cases and placing them as the commanders of villages — and doing little when they began abusing children.

“The reason we were here is because we heard the terrible things the Taliban were doing to people, how they were taking away human rights,” said Dan Quinn, a former Special Forces captain who beat up an American-backed militia commander for keeping a boy chained to his bed as a sex slave. “But we were putting people into power who would do things that were worse than the Taliban did — that was something village elders voiced to me.”

The policy of instructing soldiers to ignore child sexual abuse by their Afghan allies is coming under new scrutiny, particularly as it emerges that service members like Captain Quinn have faced discipline, even career ruin, for disobeying it.
It's also worth noting that 6.6 percent of the EU asylum seekers come from Afghanistan. It should be obvious that not only is there NO moral imperative to provide anyone from that society with any refuge whatsoever, the moral imperative is to keep them out of every society that can be considered even remotely civilized.

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149 Comments:

Blogger Josh September 21, 2015 12:01 PM  

6.6%?

OpenID corvinus333 September 21, 2015 12:04 PM  

@1 Josh

Yup.
EU statisticians claim only 1 in 5 migrants are from Syria

OpenID corvinus333 September 21, 2015 12:05 PM  

13%, rather.

Blogger Hammerli280 September 21, 2015 12:07 PM  

There's a case that the USA should have flattened Kabul and Kandahar with nuclear weapons on 12 Sep 2001 and just walked away from the ruins.

Blogger Josh September 21, 2015 12:09 PM  

So is the entire military going to be invited to join SFWA? Or just those that served in Afghanistan?

OpenID corvinus333 September 21, 2015 12:09 PM  

Sometimes I wonder if Christians are the only culture that actually tried to stamp out boy molestation.

Blogger tridekka September 21, 2015 12:11 PM  

corvinus, the more I read about other cultures, especially older accounts before the PC police filtered everything, the more that seems to be the case.

Blogger Josh September 21, 2015 12:16 PM  

Christians are also the ones who stamped out infanticide

OpenID basementhomebrewer September 21, 2015 12:17 PM  

@ 7 The whole point of PC is to keep decent westernized people from realizing how uncivilized other cultures are. The more the average westerner learns about other cultures the more they despise those cultures.

The PC response is that Pedophilia exists in the West. The proper response is yes but even our hardened felons in prison go out of their way to make life unpleasant for a child molester.

Blogger Subversive Saint #249 September 21, 2015 12:17 PM  

yeah... a civilization worth saving right there.

Blogger Daniel September 21, 2015 12:25 PM  

Phil Sandifer: child threat or Afghan commander?

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer September 21, 2015 12:30 PM  

It's not just Afghanistan. I know people who served in Iraq and they saw the same things. And the only thing that was done was to tell the abusers to keep it off the U.S. bases.

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian September 21, 2015 12:34 PM  

The practice is called bacha bazi, literally “boy play,” and American soldiers and Marines have been instructed not to intervene —

Feature, not a bug.

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer September 21, 2015 12:35 PM  

In fact, I wonder why this is hitting the MSM now. There were no shortages of reporters in Afghanistan and Iraq. Some of them must have known about the situation, yet they remained silent.

Blogger Chiva September 21, 2015 12:38 PM  

Some of them must have known about the situation, yet they remained silent

Did not fit the narrative.

Blogger Lukas September 21, 2015 12:38 PM  

When I read about cultures like this I wonder not at God's wiping entire civilizations out of existence in the Old Testament.

Blogger Hammerli280 September 21, 2015 12:40 PM  

@14:

The Propaganda Press is deeply invested in Democrat politics. Obama is on the way out. The choice at this point seems to be between Clinton and Biden - and I suspect the Propaganda Press is in the Clinton camp. At least part of it.

Which makes it convenient to start telling some of the truth about how badly Obama and Biden screwed up.

Blogger Cataline Sergius September 21, 2015 12:40 PM  

U.S. Military policy is determined by the civilian leadership.

It's hardly surprising that Obama's freak show collection of pet gladhanders, morons and outright perverts are breaking the careers or any American warrior who objects to little boys being raped on U.S. bases in the Rock Pile.

Heeey maaan, its cultural you aren't allowed to object to cultural. Your career is now over. You racist.

Blogger McChuck September 21, 2015 12:40 PM  

This isn't an Afghan thing - it's a Muslim thing. It's everywhere in Middle East. They aren't allowed to touch women (except slaves, etc.), but the Koran doesn't say anything about little boys. It's standard for neighbors to trade their sons to each other.

Blogger Nikis-Knight September 21, 2015 12:42 PM  

"Feature, not a bug."

Good point. What is this training the soldiers to tolerate when they return to the US?

OpenID verusconditio September 21, 2015 12:42 PM  

She explained that because “her son was such a good-looking kid, he was a status symbol” coveted by local commanders

One must wonder what kind of status symbol fair western boys hold.

~ Stingray

Blogger Cataline Sergius September 21, 2015 12:49 PM  

If you want to stop bacha bazi on American bases, it's easy.

Impose rigid sharia law for all Muslims on American bases.

It's cultural maaan!

Rendition them out to the ISIS Caliphate, let them take of the rest.

Blogger FALPhil September 21, 2015 12:51 PM  

@12 It's not just Afghanistan. I know people who served in Iraq and they saw the same things. And the only thing that was done was to tell the abusers to keep it off the U.S. bases.

I saw it in East Africa.

The bizarre thing is, they see sex between two men as evil, deserving death, but they do not see sex between a man and a boy evil.

Blogger Josh September 21, 2015 12:52 PM  

I think I remember reading that a big reason we lost villages to the Taliban was that the Taliban would come in and kill the molesters.

Blogger Michael O'Duibhir September 21, 2015 12:53 PM  

Who is responsible for the opening of the gates of Granada and Toledo in order to let the Moors in so that Catholic Spain could be conquered? Who is responsible for the opening of the gates of the US in order to let Muslims in so that what was once a great nation could be conquered? Who is has, I ask, such an implacable hatred of Christianity that there will be no rest until there is not even a sliver of Christianity remaining anywhere in the world?

Blogger Josh September 21, 2015 12:54 PM  

Who is has, I ask, such an implacable hatred of Christianity that there will be no rest until there is not even a sliver of Christianity remaining anywhere in the world?

The devil?

Blogger Dan in Tx September 21, 2015 12:54 PM  

But...but...but I thought we were all exactly the same and equal except for geography and the color of our skin?!

/sarc

Blogger Dan in Tx September 21, 2015 12:55 PM  

@Michael

Every.
Single.
Time.

Blogger Bluntobj Winz September 21, 2015 12:59 PM  

I recall a story written about this a couple of years after the US invasion. The story was reporting on this practice in Kabul, where early teenage boys were pursued by older men to to induce them into sexual relationships. Typically the teenagers had poor reputations after giving in to older men in exchange for gifts or money. The practice was quite widespread and not at all limited to military commanders. It was tolerated by the local versions of Islam at the time.

OpenID genericviews September 21, 2015 12:59 PM  

.... the moral imperative is to keep them out of every society that can be considered even remotely civilized.

unless they are there to do the molestations the Europeans won't do.

Blogger YIH September 21, 2015 1:03 PM  

Sailer points out: The Taliban first won power in the 1990s when two of the traditional warlords got into a civil war over the affections of a particularly winsome youth. The fundamentalist Taliban were against boy play, which made them more popular.
Another problem with dealing with non-Taliban Afghans has been the opium production.
The Taliban had opposed that too.
Now you can Google US soldier opium and you can see plenty of photos of troops either ignoring or even standing guard over poppy fields.
That's one of the reasons that unlike his father, Shrub was typically very quiet about the subject of drugs.

Blogger J Van Stry September 21, 2015 1:05 PM  

It shows how bad our government has become, when it orders our soldiers to ignore such heinous behavior.

Blogger Tom K. September 21, 2015 1:06 PM  

When the towers came down I had a visceral rralization of just how fragile civilization is. By definition to take something for granted means you don't notice it. In my study of the Enlightenment I am amazed at how much of Christian theology the so-called "deist" appropriate but never acknowledge. And it's the same way with atheists today. They think everything good in Western civilization came from the deists and the skeptics and that Christians had to be restrained from shitting on their wonderful social creations, science and democracy and all. Yet not one of those foundational concepts is deducible by reason alone. You can reason backwards from the concept but you cannot create the concept out of thin air. That's why Socrates could deduce monotheism but nothing much else.

It won't take much to destroy a hollowed out America.

Blogger Tom K. September 21, 2015 1:07 PM  

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Blogger JaimeInTexas September 21, 2015 1:15 PM  

Why?

Blogger Steve September 21, 2015 1:15 PM  

Daniel - Phil Sandifer: child threat or Afghan commander?

Phildo doesn't leave the house without a packet of sweets and a cheeky little smile.

Apparently when David Gerrold of voluptuous boys fame heard the news he exclaimed "Sssscorrre!" and booked a flight to Kabul.

Blogger Tom K. September 21, 2015 1:22 PM  

See the movie "The Kite Runner."

I'm amazed this movie got the positive press it did when it came out. In it, a Taliban commander is shown molesting boys. Worth watching.

Blogger Tom K. September 21, 2015 1:22 PM  

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Blogger totenhenchen September 21, 2015 1:29 PM  

Obama's new secretary of the Army should fit right in.

Blogger Michael O'Duibhir September 21, 2015 1:30 PM  

Christianity was not the prevailing spirit informing the debate when the Founding Fathers gathered in Philadelphia. Rather, it was the spirit of deism, i.e., freemasonry. I was never informed of this in my high school or college history/political science courses. I always thought that the US had its roots in Christianity. It doesn't, though.

Blogger Tommy Hass September 21, 2015 1:31 PM  

You know, I don't want to go all midwit, but sometimes I am baffled by the lack of cohesive logic in this blog, posts and comments.

Do you tools actually believe that Muslims (actual observant TR00000 Muslims) tolerate boy fucking? How deep does your head have to be buried up your ass to concoct such a lie?

You have stories in the comment section here how Taliban were popular because they executed boy buggerers. Are you illiterate?

" It should be obvious that not only is there NO moral imperative to provide anyone from that society with any refuge whatsoever"

Prood by assertion. Boy buggerers are a subset of that society. You could offer refuge to those that get abused.

This is a fallacy that I don't remember, but it was a fallacy of composition I believe.

Slimy as shit.

Blogger YIH September 21, 2015 1:31 PM  

@36 Steve:
Apparently when David Gerrold of voluptuous boys fame heard the news he exclaimed "Sssscorrre!" and booked a flight to Kabul.
One can only hope he does.
Prison can really be a pain in the butt.

Blogger Curtis September 21, 2015 1:33 PM  

Hey, the West doesn't need the competition in sexual deviancy.

P.S. Christianity in America: They honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me.

Blogger Tommy Hass September 21, 2015 1:36 PM  

I agree that westerners should generally not let Afghans into their countries, because, well, they're AFGHANS.

But to use these loathsome vermin as justification why no one, even Afghan versions of Iranian exiles should come to the West? Fucking EE (equine ejectus)

Its like pointing to Marion Zimmer Bradley and her husband molesting children and saying Nate shouldn't be let into your country because of that? WTF?!

I do not disagree with the notion that certain people's should be barred from entry, for obvious reasons. But this is slimy as hell, IMO.

Blogger Josh September 21, 2015 1:38 PM  

Well Nate shouldn't be allowed into any European countries lest all the wimminz get impregnated by his presence.

Blogger Alexander September 21, 2015 1:39 PM  

@44

Tommy,

If a country looked at the degeneracy of America today and concluded that the best bet was to let no Americans into their country, I would have to say it would be a pretty good policy.

Blogger bob k. mando September 21, 2015 1:39 PM  

14. Ron Winkleheimer September 21, 2015 12:35 PM
In fact, I wonder why this is hitting the MSM now.



mwahahahahahahahahahaha.

we've KNOWN about this since the 1980s, when we were funding the mujahadeen against the Sovs.

Jennings ( or one of the other Big Three anchors, but i'm certain it wasn't Rather ) went on location to 'prove his manliness' and did an interview with one of the Afghans that we were supplying weapons to.

one of his questions was of the form, "Doesn't the idea of getting killed in battle bother you?"

to which the Afghan responded, "No, for the Koran tells us that to die in battle means that we will go to Paradise and receive there the services of many *boy* and girl virgins."

there was, of course, absolutely NO FOLLOW UP on this extraordinary claim.

Blogger haus frau September 21, 2015 1:42 PM  

I have a friend who worked as a dog handler in Iraq and Turkey before retiring from the air force. In Iraq he said they called them ding ding boys or something like that. A truck would pull into town with a few boys in the back and they'd ring a bell and men would come out and pay for the boy they wanted. I asked him once if he thought Operation Iraqi Freedom would work. At the time I believed the propaganda,that all they needed was to be freed from oppressive governance and they could become a democracy like Europe or something. He shrugged and said no, going off on a tangent about how every goat herder at a checkpoint thinks he's special and the rules don't apply to him because he has a PhD. It took me a few years but I get what he meant now. They do not understand the basics of what we consider civilization.

Blogger Alexander September 21, 2015 1:45 PM  

Liberals see the coming sodomization of little white boys as a feature, not a bug.

Blogger bw September 21, 2015 1:48 PM  

Don't forget the Heroin

The devil?

Manifesting through whom and what?

I always thought that the US had its roots in Christianity. It doesn't, though.

Incorrect.

Blogger Tommy Hass September 21, 2015 1:49 PM  

Sorry, want some scripture on the boy love stuff. Don't buy it.

And I don't deny that keeping Afghans out is good policy. But through this reasoning? That's perverse.

At least say "Afghans are savages by our standards, they commit crime much more than whites, their religion is way different and they aren't pikers about enforcing it either. Only like 3% of them could add anything valuable to our countries. Do not want."

Instead, it's "See those guys that were exterminated by religious authorities and only get away with their shit without getting slaughtered because of firepower? THAT'S why no Afghans should come here."

I remember how in some Muslim country (not sure which) a pederast got led through his town and humiliated and spat on before getting executed. Don't bullshit me.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan September 21, 2015 1:51 PM  

This silly fetish of worshipping the "Other" is a womanish passive aggressive shit test and should be handled the same.

I for one am glad to see the Left embrace Islam, that is quite a match. IMO if you need to know the average mentality and emotional make up of a SJW watch the clip of Bill Maher and that moron Ben Affleck discuss Islam, that freaking moron was nearly into a physical breakdown when confronted with a little bit of deviance off the narrative, very telling.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan September 21, 2015 1:53 PM  

Speaking of tards Tommy is in the house scolding away at all the bad thinkers. Tommy must be a Cuckservative muslim.

OpenID anonymos-coward September 21, 2015 1:54 PM  

Who is has, I ask, such an implacable hatred of Christianity that there will be no rest until there is not even a sliver of Christianity remaining anywhere in the world?

The Gnostics. There's 2000 years of very bad blood between Gnostics and Christians, and the Gnostics are very good at keeping grudges. (Forgiveness is only a Christian virtue.)

Do you tools actually believe that Muslims (actual observant TR00000 Muslims) tolerate boy fucking? How deep does your head have to be buried up your ass to concoct such a lie?

You should learn a bit about Islam before calling people 'tools' and 'liars'. The fact is that there is no such thing as 'Islamic ethics', only 'Islamic law'. The Muslim Allah is a) non-personal and unknowable and b) the source of both good _and_ evil.

Sharia allows child rape, therefore Muslims rape kids. It's as simple as that. (Note that no justification or explanation needs to be given for why Sharia allows child rape. Inshallah.)

Too many people think that Islam is a kind of Calvinism except with sandcoons; nothing could be further from the truth. The Calvinist God is just. Allah is not just. Allah isn't even 'good' -- Allah is as much the source of evil as it is the source of good.

Blogger Tommy Hass September 21, 2015 1:56 PM  

To sum it up, it's like pointing to the actions of the Ayatollahs and saying THAT'S why no enemies of his regime/Shah loyalists shouldn't be let in.

That approach is just silly. It's better to say that even good Persians are too much of a foreign body to safely let in. (regardless of the truth value of this statement) It may be overly suspicious, but at least it makes sense.

Blogger Tommy Hass September 21, 2015 1:59 PM  

"The Calvinist God is just."

Depends what you mean by "just". Did Jobs kids deserve to die? If you gonna say "well, he's God, he gave it and so he can also take it, it's just", the same thing is true for Allah.

Hm?

Blogger Anonymous Robot September 21, 2015 2:01 PM  

The reason the elites want more immigration?

Blogger bob k. mando September 21, 2015 2:09 PM  

56. Tommy Hass September 21, 2015 1:59 PM
Depends what you mean by "just". Did Jobs kids deserve to die? If you gonna say "well, he's God, he gave it and so he can also take it, it's just",



God didn't kill Job's children, nor afflict him in any other way.

try harder.

Blogger bob k. mando September 21, 2015 2:13 PM  

also, there are quite a few Christians who disagree with Calvin ... Catholics and Orthodox and many Baptists among them.

Blogger Geoff September 21, 2015 2:15 PM  

Why do Muslim men (most of whom I assume are straight) prefer doing young boys instead of girls?

Not that molesting girls is any better.

They should probably just stick to goats.

Blogger JaimeInTexas September 21, 2015 2:18 PM  

@51 "Sorry, want some scripture on the boy love stuff. Don't buy it."

You want Scriptures (Old/New Testaments) that prohibit boy love?

Blogger bob k. mando September 21, 2015 2:18 PM  

probably because violating young girls interferes with the future availability of virgin brides.

you see? 3rd worlders CAN display a future time preference.

Blogger Joel Pastor September 21, 2015 2:19 PM  

@56, "just" because the standard of justice, unknowable outside his character. Yet equally, the moral logic cited in Job holds true - he gave the children life, and consequently retained the right to withdraw it.

The difference from Islam is that God, having no obligation to save us, nevertheless loves us and sent Christ. The key point is not that he is just, but that he is simultaneously just, and the justifier of the wicked.

I don't know enough to comment on #54's claim re: Muslim theology, although if true that would be another difference.

-#97

Blogger Sam Lively September 21, 2015 2:23 PM  

Dan Quinn is my new favorite pick for Trump VP.

Blogger Nikis-Knight September 21, 2015 2:27 PM  

"Prood by assertion. Boy buggerers are a subset of that society. You could offer refuge to those that get abused. "

Yes, because that cycle never perpetuates itself.

Blogger Gaiseric ! September 21, 2015 2:31 PM  

@64: Can't happen. Haven't you heard? Trump's presidency is now mired in controversy because he refused to correct some guy about Obama being a Muslim. Trump's candidacy is dead. The media is saying it so much it has to be true.

Blogger FALPhil September 21, 2015 2:32 PM  

@59 Bob, you missed the point.

And those Christians that oppose Calvin are call Arminians, and their logic (using the term loosely) doesn't compute.

Blogger luagha September 21, 2015 2:34 PM  

Why don't you hit us with the Hadiths and the sura that forbid bacha bazi boys, Tommy? You're the expert.

Blogger luagha September 21, 2015 2:35 PM  

Why don't you hit us with the Hadiths and the sura that forbid bacha bazi boys, Tommy? You're the expert.

Blogger Rabbi B September 21, 2015 2:38 PM  

@56 Tommy Hass

Did Jobs kids deserve to die? If you gonna say "well, he's God, he gave it and so he can also take it, it's just" . . .

Actually, it wasn't about who deserved what. This is precisely where Job's three 'friends' and so many others misunderstand the intent of Job's test. The idea that we are asked to suffer well in this world, that G-d can use suffering in our lives to achieve His purposes and demonstrate His love and compassion through suffering is a concept that is abhorrent to the sensibilities of most people.

Even Job's three friends try to make sense of Job's suffering, trying to connect it with something Job did wrong or some sin he may have committed. In fact, one of the three goes so far as to to argue that Job wasn't getting all he really deserved!

But the text is clear, Job was a righteous man, and declared to be so by G-d Himself, the only One Who can declare any man righteous. Job's trials were not connected with anything specific sin or wrong doing. And Job's testimony at the end of his trial, was that he had merely heard of G-d by the hearing of the ear, but now he knew him. Job had also declared, that though G-d may slay him, even so he would continue to praise him and put his hope in Him.

Our trials and sufferings are not meaningless or purposeless, and the G-d we serve is not a capricious G-d who inflicts suffering willy-nilly. The ultimate picture of this, of course, is the suffering endured by the Messiah which has made life available to all who would embrace it.

We have been promised suffering in this world and tht anyone who intends to live a truly G-dly life in this world will suffer. But we are also assured that our sufferings are light and momentary troubles compared with the glories that are being revealed in us and we are commanded to take heart because He has overcome the world.

I am no expert on Islam, but I know of no other worldview outside a Biblical worldview that offers these reassurances.

. . . the same thing is true for Allah.

Hardly. There is no moral equivalence. I have heard (from a former Muslim) that there are 99 names for God among the Muslims, but none of those names includes "Father". If that is true, what a profound difference indeed.

OpenID anonymos-coward September 21, 2015 2:41 PM  

Did Jobs kids deserve to die? If you gonna say "well, he's God, he gave it and so he can also take it, it's just", the same thing is true for Allah.

Again you miss the point. You're still working in a Western framework of justice and ethics -- trying to figure out if the logic of 'he gave it and so he can take it away' is sufficiently just.

There is no 'ethics' or 'justice' in Islam. The Islamic Allah is no more 'just' than the law of gravity or the theory of evolution are 'just'.

Is gravity 'just' when it kills a child? The question itself is meaningless. Likewise it is meaningless to ask if Allah is 'just' when it allows child rape.

And those Christians that oppose Calvin are call Arminians, and their logic (using the term loosely) doesn't compute.

Regardless of whether you find Calvinist logic valid or not, Calvinists are not Christian since they quite obviously blaspheme against the Holy Spirit. (Mark 3:28, etc.)
But let's not go there quite yet, the inherent self-destroying contradictions between Protestantism and Gnosticism are a different subject.

Blogger YIH September 21, 2015 2:46 PM  

@62 Bob k mando:
probably because violating young girls interferes with the future availability of virgin brides.
A favored Afghan expression goes: "Women are for children, boys are for pleasure."
The other SFWA motto!

Blogger ScottD September 21, 2015 2:59 PM  

Recursive OT -

Because I am relatively new here, I was wondering if there is ever a specific place to discuss off-topic issues?

For instance, I checked and was really pleased to see SJW Always Lie still number 1 on Amazon's political philosophy list, but I have no idea what that translates into as sales.

OpenID corvinus333 September 21, 2015 3:07 PM  

You know, I don't want to go all midwit, but sometimes I am baffled by the lack of cohesive logic in this blog, posts and comments.

Do you tools actually believe that Muslims (actual observant TR00000 Muslims) tolerate boy fucking? How deep does your head have to be buried up your ass to concoct such a lie?


@41 Tommy Hass
Some Muslims, like the Taliban, may frown upon it, but there appears to be overall tolerance for it at a fundamental level that simply doesn't exist in Christian countries (or post-Christian ones, despite NAMBLA's efforts), even in maximum-security prisons.

According to Amren.com, it's also rampant in Pakistan. Turkey with its köçekler was notorious for it too during Ottoman times, although I suppose it may have tried to clean and modernize its image since then, I don't know.

Why do Muslim men (most of whom I assume are straight) prefer doing young boys instead of girls?

@60 Geoff
Since they keep their girls covered in tents, I guess they get sexually confused. I have the impression that Muslim countries that aren't as strict about their women being covered up (Turkey, Indonesia, Tunisia) seem to have somewhat less of a boy-molestation problem than those that keep them constantly hidden from view and verboten for courtship outside of arranged marriage to a cousin(Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, etc.).

Blogger LP999/S.I.G. September 21, 2015 3:07 PM  

Quite a long time ago the old name of Gen Kong mentioned the dancing boys of Afghanistan. I saw otherwise, child abuse and molestation, after a very short viewing I was done with any talk of immigration, foreign aid and foreign intervention stupidity.

Thus the NeoCons support child molestation.

Incorrect, inflammatory, wrong or whatever. I do not apologize. Unless I too am wrong for the policies brought into the EU, US and other stupid lands that fall for the same old lies, counterproductive policies.

Lastly, NeoConned/SJW/SFWA's are wrong, guilty, pervy and disgusting.

Blogger bob k. mando September 21, 2015 3:11 PM  

67. FALPhil September 21, 2015 2:32 PM
@59 Bob, you missed the point.

And those Christians that oppose Calvin are call Arminians, and their logic (using the term loosely) doesn't compute.




a - no, i didn't.

b - take it up with Vox, then. he's an Arminian who's been looking for a Calvinist who can "prove" that God intended Satan and the Fall

Blogger bob k. mando September 21, 2015 3:16 PM  

to be more clear on point a,
IF you want to call God's 'justice' into question
THEN you need to criticize a direct act of God, not merely something that he didn't prevent others from doing.

thus, the 'innocent' children of the pagans at the Flood would be a better example.

Blogger bob k. mando September 21, 2015 3:17 PM  

74. corvinus333 September 21, 2015 3:07 PM
Turkey with its köçekler



look at the jaw on this thing. LOOK AT IT.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9e/Turkish_19th_century_kocek_dancer_01.jpg

Blogger Mindstorm September 21, 2015 3:20 PM  

@60 Geoff
I guess molested girls would be 'broken merchandise' in a way that boys wouldn't be, mental trauma notwithstanding.

Blogger Mindstorm September 21, 2015 3:22 PM  

Oh, bob (or Bob?) was faster.

Blogger Were-Puppy September 21, 2015 3:31 PM  

40. Michael O'Duibhir September 21, 2015 1:30 PM
Christianity was not the prevailing spirit informing the debate when the Founding Fathers gathered in Philadelphia. Rather, it was the spirit of deism, i.e., freemasonry. I was never informed of this in my high school or college history/political science courses. I always thought that the US had its roots in Christianity. It doesn't, though.
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Crazy talk. Back it up.

Blogger Gaiseric ! September 21, 2015 3:33 PM  

The Deism myth is one that anti-Christian, oikophobic liberals love to spread. Unfortunately, there's way too many direct quotes from the founding fathers affirming their faith in God to make it very convincing.

OpenID Steve September 21, 2015 3:35 PM  

This is why gays like Anderson Cooper defend Islam, he doesn't want a man, & would fit right in. Bacha Bazi is practiced in other moslem nations but its against those nations laws to report it. I know a toxicology nurse that thought about taking a Saudi Arabia travel job but changed his mind when he looked at the contract and saw he would wave his rights against extradition if he told anyone about drug use in SA, the job he was applying for had no official reason to exist.

"@57Anonymous Robot The reason the elites want more immigration"

The advocates for cheaper rough trade don't want gays to know they risk being beheaded for all their money instead of being buggered for a buck.
http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2015/09/20/wow-anderson-cooper-goes-full-moonbat-during-live-broadcast/

"The proper response is yes but even our hardened felons in prison go out of their way to make life unpleasant for a child molester"

Not if its non Asian minorities raping white kids, their hommies are down with that.

"In fact, I wonder why this is hitting the MSM now."

This special forces operator was covered in real+ military news for being punished solely for beating up a pedo over a month ago. Maybe they realize they can't gatekeep all the info so they might as well write slanted stories that don't praise all of the SF operators achievement.

"Tom K. See the movie "The Kite Runner." ... In it, a Taliban commander is shown molesting boys. Worth watching."

Dancing Boys of Afghanistan is free on youtube. Phil will be disappointed because it pixilates the naughty bits.

"Obama's new secretary of the Army should fit right in"

The new sect of the Army sympathizes with the child rapist, not the rough SF operator that beat him up.

"Do you tools actually believe that Muslims (actual observant TR00000 Muslims) tolerate boy fucking? "

Its not like they would break a peace treaty in the middle of the night or take a 6yo to be a sex slave, wait IS IS is doing the same stuff Moo Ham Mad did in the 7th century.

"@42 YIH Prison can really be a pain in the butt." Tell that to Congressman(D) Menendez because it is selectively enforced.

Blogger Were-Puppy September 21, 2015 3:38 PM  

@41 Tommy Hass
" It should be obvious that not only is there NO moral imperative to provide anyone from that society with any refuge whatsoever"
----

Looks like someone got Triggered.

Blogger Rabbi B September 21, 2015 3:44 PM  

@84 Were-Puppy

Looks like someone got Triggered.

Blogger Were-Puppy September 21, 2015 3:47 PM  

@60 Geoff
Why do Muslim men (most of whom I assume are straight) prefer doing young boys instead of girls?

Not that molesting girls is any better.

They should probably just stick to goats.
---

Why hasn't PETA gotten involved, for the sake of the goats?

Blogger Rabbi B September 21, 2015 3:55 PM  

@86 Were-Puppy

Why hasn't PETA gotten involved, for the sake of the goats?

Blogger Steve September 21, 2015 3:58 PM  

@ 83 - Big Gay Steve, I presume?

Well, this is embarrassing. Like turning up to a party wearing the same dress as John Scalzi.

Blogger Rabbi B September 21, 2015 4:01 PM  

@88 Steve

@ 83 - Big Gay Steve, I presume?

Well, this is embarrassing. Like turning up to a party wearing the same dress as John Scalzi.

Yeah . . . I think BGS bolds his quotes generally.

Blogger Were-Puppy September 21, 2015 4:03 PM  

@86, @87

Thanks Rabbi B, I realize I need to step up my rhetorical practice!

Blogger Iowahine September 21, 2015 4:05 PM  

hardened felons in prison go out of their way to make life unpleasant for a child molester.

Tragically, a family friend learned of her husband's child diddling of a daughter and granddaughter. The pedophile pled guilty at trial and the family has subsequently fallen apart, divided and finger-pointing. Another friend, retired from the prison to which he would have been sentenced, explained that child molesters were kept separate from gen pop to keep them alive. Knowing he would be killed in prison, the pervert committed suicide.

re: the appeal of western boys. A friend of mine travelled to Italy with her two young tow-headed boys when her husband was performing in the opera. While dad was rehearsing during the day, she attempted to take the boys out to explore the area and run errands, but departed early and sped back to the US, citing as her reason the "immigrants" who lined the sidewalks and leered at them. She's a beautiful lanky brunette and no stranger to male attention, but her horror was at the ogling given her boys.

Blogger Tommy Hass September 21, 2015 4:07 PM  

@74

"Some Muslims, like the Taliban, may frown upon it, but there appears to be overall tolerance for it at a fundamental level that simply doesn't exist in Christian countries (or post-Christian ones, despite NAMBLA's efforts), even in maximum-security prisons."

Oh come on brah, it's just not true. I actually know muslims and have lived among them. Fucking boys is a lynching crime. I dunno how it works in Afghanistan, but it's what I have experienced.

Blogger Steve September 21, 2015 4:19 PM  

Rabbi B - I thought so too. This is very mystevious.

Blogger Rabbi B September 21, 2015 4:20 PM  

@92 Tommy Hass

Oh come on brah, it's just not true.

IYHO, credible?

IYHO, credible?

Blogger bob k. mando September 21, 2015 4:24 PM  

84. Were-Puppy September 21, 2015 3:38 PM
Looks like someone got Triggered.


http://media1.s-nbcnews.com/j/MSNBC/Components/Photo/_new/100709-trigger-horz-315p.grid-7x2.jpg

Blogger Rabbi B September 21, 2015 4:26 PM  

Excerpt from the second reference:

PAKISTAN: 95% of truckers have sex with boys
The name 'Pakistan' means 'Land of the Pure'. In that Islamic republic where homosexuality is a crime, the sexual exploitation of boys is an endemic practice, notably in the transport industry.


Those Muslims who denounce the moral corruption of Western secular societies are hypocrites. Children are violated in western countries of course, but those responsible are pursued and punished. In 'The Land of The Pure' , when boys are not being transformed into human bombs, they are sodomised with impunity'

Rest of article (in French) at
http://www.bivouac-id.com/2010/02/25/pakistan-95-des-camionneurs-ont-des-activites-sexuelles-avec-des-garcons/

OpenID verusconditio September 21, 2015 4:27 PM  

Rabbi, those really do need a trigger warning.

I feel sick.

~ Stingray

Blogger Kirk Parker September 21, 2015 4:33 PM  

TH: so you're a Turk but not Muslim?

Blogger Rabbi B September 21, 2015 4:33 PM  

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Blogger Rabbi B September 21, 2015 4:34 PM  

@97 verusconditio

mea culpa . . . please forgive.

I am just wondering if Tommy is truly ignorant of these practices permitted/encouraged by this religion. His statement was "it's just not true."

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Blogger Stingray September 21, 2015 4:43 PM  

Rabbi B

Dimitto

Blogger Steve, the Dark Ninja of Mockery September 21, 2015 4:45 PM  

Seems relevant.

Blogger bob k. mando September 21, 2015 4:47 PM  

http://crombouke.blogspot.com/2010/01/mufa-khathat-cleaning-mess-up.html

Ayatollah Khomeini, generally regarded as one of the leading Muslims of the twentieth century, wrote "A man can have sexual pleasure from a child as young as a baby. However, he should not penetrate. If he penetrates and the child is harmed then he should be responsible for her subsistence all her life. This girl, however would not count as one of his four permanent wives. The man will not be eligible to marry the girl's sister."

Blogger FALPhil September 21, 2015 4:52 PM  

@77 That is what I thought you had missed. Glad you clarified.
@76 - Point (b): I'm not that guy. I am not smart enough to compete with Vox's command of the dialectic. I wish I was, but a man has to face his limitations. But R.C. Sproul is smart enough, and I would pay good money to watch that debate.

Blogger Gaiseric ! September 21, 2015 4:55 PM  

Oh come on brah, it's just not true. I actually know muslims and have lived among them. Fucking boys is a lynching crime. I dunno how it works in Afghanistan, but it's what I have experienced.

NAMALT? Nice one.

Blogger bob k. mando September 21, 2015 4:58 PM  

http://www.steynonline.com/1516/the-shagged-sheep

Blogger Anonymous September 21, 2015 5:03 PM  

Boys will bebother boys.

Koran has little serving boys with the houris.
back with scripture
http://www.albatrus.org/english/religions/islam/72virgins_and_boys.htm
https://maldivianapostates.wordpress.com/2011/06/02/islam-and-pedophilia-80000-pearly-boys-in-heaven/

dancing boys of afghanistan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ag5fl2S4juQ

Incomprehensible.

At least these look vaguely female
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MpnpcCLvtM

We are observing some seriously constrained entertainment. The alternative is literally goats.

- Koanic

OpenID Steve September 21, 2015 5:41 PM  

Yeah . . . I think BGS bolds his quotes generally.

83 was BGS not sure how to change my name with the current log on choices. That post kept giving me an HTML error for B not closed and I couldn't find the unclosed B to I removed all.

OpenID Steve September 21, 2015 5:45 PM  

re: the appeal of western boys. A friend of mine travelled to Italy with her two young tow-headed boys when her husband was performing

They are white supremacists just like the 3 men proudly flying the Puerto Rican flag in the Ohio House of Horrors kidnaping story. They only kidnapped white girls despite the fact the area had whites being a minority. Some CHORF removed the PR flag and replaced it with the US one after the initial news story. Google maps from 6 months prior shows only the PR flag, one of the evidence techs claimed a strong wind blew down multiple flags and they put them back up.

Blogger Steve, the Dark Ninja of Mockery September 21, 2015 5:47 PM  

We are observing some seriously constrained entertainment. The alternative is literally goats.

Blogger bob k. mando September 21, 2015 5:53 PM  

105. FALPhil September 21, 2015 4:52 PM
That is what I thought you had missed. Glad you clarified.



weird, because i said the same thing both times.

it's fortunate that i'm used to people getting hung up on phraseology and not being able to follow me through to ( what i thought was) the obvious conclusion.

Blogger Geoff September 21, 2015 5:57 PM  

Do those sex robots come in young boy style?

Blogger bob k. mando September 21, 2015 6:00 PM  

i'm sure you're just asking for a, ahem, friend.

Blogger Steve, the Dark Ninja of Mockery September 21, 2015 6:04 PM  

I knew it was you, Big Gay Steve! My Big Gaydar is never wrong.

Hope you're well, and glad to see you made it past The Spazzening that led to the new comments arrangements. We take care of our own in the Evil Legion of Stevil. Semper Steve.

If we can just get Rabbi B to change his name to Rabbi Steve, we'll have the Stevepower we need to pull off an epic caper. Like Ocean's Eleven!

I've been tripping on flu medicine, but hopefully you can't tell.

Blogger Steve, the Dark Ninja of Mockery September 21, 2015 6:07 PM  

Phil Sandifer already has a sex robot.

OpenID corvinus333 September 21, 2015 6:09 PM  

I am just wondering if Tommy is truly ignorant of these practices permitted/encouraged by this religion. His statement was "it's just not true."

@100 Rabbi B (and @Tommy Hass)
Host country influence -- i.e., European, and hence indirect Christian, influence -- is the crucial factor here.

I suspect Tommy and his friends were influenced by German culture, and perhaps modern Turkish (i.e., not Ottoman) culture, into considering it disgusting. German Turks living in Istanbul are seen as having very German attitudes compared to native Turks.

Likewise, there are younger British Pakistanis who consider cousin marriage disgusting, but obviously they didn't get that attitude from their co-ethnics, but rather from the host country.

In fact, I don't know of any Christian society anywhere in the world where boy buggery is tolerated, except maybe among certain very degraded, savage negroes who wouldn't know Christianity if it kicked them in the arse. Some Latin Americans come close, but I think their targets tend to be at least teenage, and they tend to go far more after girls anyway. All those stories about 11 and 12 year old girls getting pregnant seem to come out of Latin America.

Blogger Emmanuel Mateo-Morales September 21, 2015 6:17 PM  

@FALPhil

Yeah, go fuck yourself you theologically fatalist meat-puppet with no free will of your own.

OpenID usmc0187 September 21, 2015 6:26 PM  

Test

Blogger Michael September 21, 2015 6:27 PM  

I appreciate the clarity of the purpose of suffering

Blogger Dave September 21, 2015 6:51 PM  

Stevil's Eleven; for when ten is never enough.

ELOE Studios & VFM-ILK Productions is on the prowl for cheap knockoffs. Get in touch.

Blogger Ed Hering September 21, 2015 7:01 PM  

Lefties have no actual problem with pedophiles. Some of their biggest heroes were pedos. Mao, anyone?

Blogger Robert What? September 21, 2015 7:29 PM  

Sorry, Vox. You are absolutely wrong on this. Your moral responsibility is to sacrifice yourself and your children to the gods of multiculturalism so you can feel superior to other people.

Blogger Bard September 21, 2015 10:02 PM  

I didn't necessarily believe the stories until we rolled into town one day with a man nailing a young boy right in an open field.
Then there was the all male haji truck driver tent with all the young boys they could want. Move along, nothing to see there.
Wiping their ass with their hand... True. Porta John by the chow hall, shit smeared hand prints wiped all over inside with toilet paper right fucking there.
Sorry Tommy, I hate them all. You worship a demon god, call out to him from your towers twice a day and he has answered with God forsaken desolation. There is nothing worth fighting for in Afghanistan.

Blogger Bard September 21, 2015 10:05 PM  

And it is ABSOLUTELY COMMON KNOWLEDGE!!!!

Blogger Curtis September 21, 2015 10:07 PM  

Meanwhile, in Crusader America:

I’m a pedophile, but not a monster - http://www.salon.com/2015/09/21/im_a_pedophile_but_not_a_monster/

Okay every-body! Another national group hug for the LGBT+P! - http://www.infowars.com/media-promotes-pedophile-rights/

Why, we got to go Crusading and pull the beam out of those Muslim pedo’s eyes so we can see better and call ourselves holy!

See G-d? We played the pipe for you, and you did not dance; we sang a dirge, and you did not mourn!

Blogger Daniel September 21, 2015 10:17 PM  

No true Muslim would ever live by sharia...

Blogger CM September 21, 2015 10:24 PM  

@Corvinus -

Try 5 Years Old

Blogger Michael O'Duibhir September 21, 2015 11:50 PM  

@Were-Puppy
Here's some "back up":

Thomas Jefferson
"I have examined all the known superstitions of the world and I do not find in our particular superstition of Christianity one redeeming feature. They are all alike founded on fables and mythology. Millions of innocent men, women, and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, and imprisoned. What has been the effect of this coercion? To make one half the world fools and the other half hypocrites; to support roguery and error all over the earth."
"Christianity...(has become) the most perverted system that ever shone on man...Rogueries, absurdities and untruths were perpetrated upon the teachings of Jesus by a large band of dupes and imposters led by Paul, the first great corruptor of the teachings of Jesus."
"The clergy converted the simple teachings of Jesus into an engine for enslaving mankind and adulturated by artificial constructions into a contrivance to filch wealth and power to themselves...these clergy in fact, constitute the real Anti-Christ."
Jefferson's word for the Bible? "Dunghill."
John Adams
"Where do we find a precept in the Bible for Creeds, Confessions, Doctrines and Oaths, and whole cartloads of other trumpery that we find religion encumbered with in these days?"
"The doctrine of the divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity."
Adams signed the Treaty of Tripoli. Article 11 states "The Government of the United States is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion."
Thomas Paine
"I would not dare to so dishonor my Creator God by attaching His name to that book (the Bible)." "Among the most detesable villains in history, you could not find one worse than Moses. Here is an order, attributed to 'God' to butcher the boys, to massacre the mothers, and to debauch and rape the daughters. I would not dare so dishonor my Creator's name by (attaching) it to this filthy book (the Bible)." "It is the duty of every true Diest to vindicate the moral justice of God against the evils of the Bible." "Accustom a people to believe that priests and clergy can forgive sins...and you will have sins in abundance." And; "The Christian church has set up a religion of pomp and revenue in pretend imitation of a person (Jesus) who lived a life of poverty."
James Madison
"What influence in fact have Christian ecclesiastical establishments had on civil society? In many instances they have been upholding the thrones of political tyrrany. In no instance have they been seen as the guardians of the liberties of the people. Rulers who wished to subvert the public liberty have found in the clergy convenient auxiliaries. A just government, instituted to secure and perpetuate liberty, does not need the clergy."

Plus, there is not a single reference to God in the US Constitution.

Also, there's an excellent book by Christopher Ferrara which makes a compelling case for my assertion concerning deism (as well as some ancillary issues). It's entitled "Liberty: The God That Failed"

Blogger CM September 22, 2015 12:14 AM  

Wasn't it someone here commenting on the "privilege" of deists and atheists to be piggy backing on a culture largely informed by Christianity?

So even if our founding fathers were deists, they were still influenced by western christianity in the formation of our founding documents.

Blogger rho September 22, 2015 12:32 AM  

@5 So is the entire military going to be invited to join SFWA? Or just those that served in Afghanistan?

Here's to Josh, serving up your US RDA of LOLs.

@51 Sorry, want some scripture on the boy love stuff. Don't buy it.

You can ask your local Islam expert if you want an answer. Around here, it seems you're the token Islam expert, as all we've got is the media and Google.

There remains the fact that there are plenty of first- and second-hand accounts of weird Islam man-boy love in some of the, shall we say, less gentrified Muslim neighborhoods. Either they are all perfidious lies, slight exaggerations, or unvarnished truths. I couldn't say with certainty which is the truth, A), B) or C).

That said, wacky Muslims get up to all kinds of uncivil shenanigans all over the world. They are routinely explained away with no-true-Scotsman arguments, and yet the shenanigans continue. In fact, they seem to be expanding.

Yes, I know, Christians have their own pedophile scandals in the Catholic church to consider. And yes, I know, the entire Christian West bent over backwards to give safe harbor to every Catholic priest who diddled the alterboy...

No, wait, it was the exact opposite. Catholic pederasty became Christian pederasty, and every choir member with an Amy Grant CD became guilty by vague interdenominational association.

Contra VD's admonitions, it would behoove the world if all of the Tommy Hass's would spend a little more time knifing their nominal allies in the back when they're fucking loons.

OpenID Jack Amok September 22, 2015 12:46 AM  

O'Duibhir,

A little game. You pick the worst Christian-dominated government you can think of. Then I pick the worst non-Christian government I can think of. Then we go for second-worst and so on.

Do you think you'll win even one round? Here, I'll give you a handicap - for every horrible Christian government you can name, I have to name two non-Christian ones that were worse.

Blogger Curtis September 22, 2015 1:36 AM  

Don't mistake Jefferson's belief in Christ with his disdain for religion or the various sects.

Anyhow, it is easy to make various quotations of the various founders that may appear to appeal to your own prejudices. But like everything, one must read the whole, to appreciate the flavor of the context.

There are various resources on the internet where you may read their complete writings and letters.

Blogger Groot September 22, 2015 2:24 AM  

What are the names of the SJWs who are perpetrating tolerance of child rape? These are individuals, they have names, they are culpable, and publicizing their identities will shame them, ostracize them, will make palpable the opprobrium of the culture, the community, their family against them. Who are they? You military people, who are these filth? Name them, shame them, do not hold back. Names, pictures, histories.

Blogger Groot September 22, 2015 2:38 AM  

There is no single larger issue than the disgusting tolerance of child rape. No individual on this planet has never been a vulnerable child, had children more prized than life, or felt pity for a child that is brutalized. Taking a stance condemning this abomination leaves as opponents only evil creeps due only the worst which society, civilization, and decent folk can contemplate. Bring it on. This I will fight to the death.

OpenID anonymos-coward September 22, 2015 3:03 AM  

Don't mistake Jefferson's belief in Christ with his disdain for religion or the various sects.

Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. (James 2:19)

Blogger Tom K. September 22, 2015 4:44 AM  

Like they would ever let you into their inner society. Get real. And I assume this was in America? Like they don't know it's against the law and would get them sent to jail or worse.

These men have NO outlet for their sexual energy. Their women are lumps of mindless flesh. Responding to sex can get a wife killed as a prostitute.

But a boy? That's another thing all together. You can train a boy to like being BFed. Or sucking c**k. Especially if you give him treats and candies when he's done.

Islam does nothing to regenerate the fallen nature of man.

Blogger Cail Corishev September 22, 2015 7:35 AM  

Groot, good point. That's what's we're seeing in the SF milieu: pedophiles and those who support them are being named and held publicly accountable, and it's effective. They're scurrying like roaches. If a man's superiors forced him to ignore child rape, who are those superiors? Don't talk about "policies" like they're an unfortunate happenstance; talk about the people who wrote and enforce those policies. Name them, so they can be held accountable. Maybe no reporter will go ask them about it, but post their names on Twitter and try to get a meme going. "Why does Colonel Smith condone the rape of poor Afghan children?"

Even if it does no harm to those individuals, it'll be good for the overall effort to convince normal people that maybe the "huddled masses" we're told we should import are yearning for something besides breathing free.

Blogger Michael O'Duibhir September 22, 2015 7:59 AM  

@Jack Amok

Why limit the ratio to 2 horrible non-Christian governments for every Christian-dominated government? Got to be more than 2. So, we agree.
My point was that I eventually came to see that what was ostensibly a group of Christian Founders assembled in Philadelphia was, in fact, no such thing. I don't see how anyone who looks deeply into the matter can conclude otherwise. The deistic mindset, which was part and parcel of the Enlightenment era, was on full display at Philadelphia--for anybody who wants to look objectively at it, that is. That's what I came to see. It's not something I'm happy about; it's just something I've had to accept as the real truth about the majority of the Founders.
And yes, I agree that, in spite of the deistic milieu in which it was founded, our government was informed by Christianity, vestiges of it at least.

Cheers

Blogger bob k. mando September 22, 2015 8:10 AM  

129. Michael O'Duibhir September 21, 2015 11:50 PM
Here's some "back up":



no one denies that SOME of the Founders were Deists.

your problem is that 53 men signed the Articles of Association, 56 signed the Declaration, 48 signed the Articles of Confederation and 39 signed the Constitution.

certainly there is some overlap in names, but a handful of examples ( some of which, such as Paine, who signed nothing or Jefferson, who had nothing to do with the Constitution ) does nothing to 'prove' that 'the Founders' AS A GROUP were Deist.

Blogger JaimeInTexas September 22, 2015 8:50 AM  

I like Th. Jefferson but he is no savior and only one deist out of a handful that had a significant part in the beginning of the empire.
Even the deists, at that time, would have admitted that it was a Christian culture and society.

Blogger Josh September 22, 2015 9:02 AM  

Plus, there is not a single reference to God in the US Constitution.

There's not a single reference to God in most contracts...

OpenID Jack Amok September 22, 2015 11:41 AM  

Why limit the ratio to 2 horrible non-Christian governments for every Christian-dominated government? Got to be more than 2. So, we agree.

If we do agree, then you have been inarticulate with your argument. Plus it's rude to presume to tell someone else what they think. I'd caution you not to do that on this blog, it doesn't go over well.

My point was that I eventually came to see that what was ostensibly a group of Christian Founders assembled in Philadelphia was, in fact, no such thing.

Even if they were all deists, which I don't think is true, they were deists who had been raised as Christians, were accustomed to the society of Christians, and who assumed Christian behaviors would form the scaffolding of the society the government they were creating would exist in.


Blogger Michael O'Duibhir September 22, 2015 3:47 PM  

@Jack Amok

" Plus it's rude to presume to tell someone else what they think. I'd caution you not to do that on this blog, it doesn't go over well."

I went back over my comments and could not find where I had told someone else what they think. Enlighten me, please.

OpenID ymarsakar September 22, 2015 4:56 PM  

Be sure to bring this military policy up the next time someone is telling you that there is a moral imperative demanding U.S. military intervention abroad:

It'll cut both ways, right back at you.

Hussein leading a foreign intervention is designed to help Islam enslave humanity and break down the next generation into cattle and livestock. Just look at Planned Profit.

A foreign intervention designed to do population control on these cultures by killing some of them, won't transform the culture. But it'll make the next Islamic invasion much easier to handle given the drop in their military populations.

That's 50 less rag heads per wave of 1000 a single individual Christian may have to face, which means at least -50 rapists for every Christian woman. Maybe a drop in the bucket given Islamic populations, but that depends on how you want to handle Islam itself. Paying the Jizya is always an option, Vox.

Blogger vashine September 22, 2015 5:18 PM  

Drops in military-age population only matter if there is a relative drop. When Europe and other Christian whites aren't even replacing themselves, and musloids across Europe are raping white girls, making them emotionally incapable of having healthy relationships and marriages, and therefore procreation later on, or jihadis are impregnating them with jihadi sons, then it matter not how decimated the populations back in Iraq or Syria might be.

Islam's destruction knows no bounds, even with its own kind. It is akin to an ever-expanding desert. It make entire nations continents uninhabitable, insufferable, and creeps, invades, swallows up more fecund and fertile neighboring lands. Can you you go into the desert and make it into an oasis if you have no rich, fertile lands from which to accouter your expedition? No, you can't.

Can the Jews of Europe establish and build modern-day Israel, turning the desert into an oasis, without the oasis and fertile lands of Europe and the Americas supplying them? No. The muzzies will do all in their power to never, ever, ever go back to their shithole sandboxes. There is nothing there. It is already conquered for Allah, there is no glory to be had in going back, and no material wealth there for them anyway. It's all desert, wasteland. And we can't even begin to think to colonize it ourselves unless our own lands are in order, safe, fertile and productive.

When you waste some of America's best men, and untold treasure, without striking at the root of the issue, Islam itself, and you force them to stand by as boys get ass-raped... you have done no one any good. Any. Good. You just waste lives, money, and the ones who survive are psychologically, morally, and emotionally broken. All while Saddam could have been doing the killing himself, all while Iran and Iraq could have killed each other off for another 10 years, all while those same men could have been making babies and actually raising healthy, strong sons. Now their sons will be without fathers or will have very broken, suffering men for fathers. Those sons will likely not make for great men or soldiers themselves.

We can only hope that the Poles, Russians, and other Eastern Christians have made enough strong men to hold back the hordes until other European and American Christians wake up, come back to Christ in a real way, and start making babies. There is a very good chance of all that happening. God can do anything He wishes.

Blogger vashine September 22, 2015 5:36 PM  

Tommy Ass, along with so many other "Westernized" Musloids, confuse their own watered-down experience of Islam, one wholly and completely influenced by Western and Christian mores and attitudes, from everything from dress to slavery to boy-fucking, as reflective of what real, true Islam really is. Note he has ZERO theological or historical arguments to proffer. He can only scream "we don't do that in my Musloid neighborhood", not realizing that it's only due to Kemalism and Ataturk that he's not a shit-eating, boy-fucking Musloid. It's only due to the influences, cultural and moral, of non-Islamic cultures, which are far saner and more humane, that influence some Muslim communities or nations to not engage in the wholesale deviancy that Islam allows for and promotes.

Because, at the end of the day, despite how hard Islam tries to make all Muslims into deviant, terrorist, savage criminals, they are still human. And despite Mo fucking away on nine year old girls and lying, stealing, murdering, and raping his way across Arabia, some humans just don't want to molest little boys and girls. So they don't. Doesn't mean Islam ain't evil and you should never let a single Muslim into you nation, community, or neighborhood.

OpenID cglasgow99 September 23, 2015 1:18 PM  

The Army just denied the appeal of SFC Martland.

Army Rejects Appeal Of Green Beret Discharged For Confronting Afghan Boy Lover.

OpenID ymarsakar October 01, 2015 8:48 AM  

or jihadis are impregnating them with jihadi sons, then it matter not how decimated the populations back in Iraq or Syria might be.

And when the ISIL Caliphate trains those Muslim sons and sends them back to Europe with AKs and suicide vests? Afghanistan and Iraq under bush II was utilizing COIN, counter insurgency, not Hussein's current policy of pro Islam and pro rapist sentiments. It was drawing in many of the suicide bombers and killers on Islam, preventing them from training a new generation in how to shoot or kill effectively. Similar to the Marineas Turkey Shoot when Japan lost all her veteran pilots, nobody was left to train the next gen of pilots, so those pilots got slaughtered by US veteran aces.

Europe may be able to hold off sticks and stone wielding Islamo hordes by the millions, with just swords, plate mail, and superior martial knowledge. But they will be outgunned, literally, if Islamic Jihad has any kind of military cohesion or training. Except for the Swiss and the paramilitaries, and also the militias in the US, those would be the exceptions in who "outguns who".

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