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Tuesday, September 15, 2015

The Toad is getting worried

Keep in mind that Teresa Nielsen Hayden, aka The Toad of (formerly) Tor, has never directly addressed me on Twitter. Yet today she did so twice in order to publicly claim that her husband never shouted at Jagi Lamplighter Wright and to insist that both Mr. and Mrs. Wright are lying.
tnielsenhayden ‏@tnielsenhayden
@voxday Did JCW not warn you how many witnesses were within earshot of his event-that-didn't-happen? Now you both look like idiots. @pnh

 tnielsenhayden ‏@tnielsenhayden
@voxday Note for future: if you're going to make up any more stories like that, don't set them at the pre-Hugo reception. @pnh
Notice that Patrick Nielsen Hayden hasn't issued any public denials on Twitter. He doesn't want to risk getting caught out publicly lying about his own behavior. The Toad is obviously getting desperate. I wasn't there. I don't claim to have been there. I haven't made anything up and it wouldn't even make sense for me to make anything up.

The fact of the matter is that contra the Toad's lying, the Senior Editor at Tor Books, Patrick Nielsen Hayden, did raise his voice, he did shout at a woman, he did tell her to tell her husband, a Tor Books author, to "stick it up his ass", and he did shout about "blood libel" to a Jewish woman. He is an unprofessional and verbally abusive man.

Those are facts to which there were several witnesses. The Toad wasn't there any more than I was, but she is an SJW, and as we know, SJWs always lie... and they always try to reshape the Narrative.

Now, I wonder why the Toad is suddenly feeling the need to reshape this particular Narrative? And also I wonder how much longer Macmillan intends to put up with these unprofessional lunatics at Tor Books. I mean, by this point, they have to realize that it is never going to stop until Patrick Nielsen Hayden is replaced by actual professional editors with real college degrees and everything.

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137 Comments:

Blogger Blume September 15, 2015 6:03 PM  

Real college degrees? Patrick is a complete poser?

Blogger Ron September 15, 2015 6:04 PM  

Sounds like an indirect signal for her co-SJWs who always lie to step forward and offer false testimony in support her dear toad rising prince.

Blogger Escoffier September 15, 2015 6:05 PM  

What does college have to do with professional?

Blogger Ron September 15, 2015 6:06 PM  

It's a sign of value in the SJW world.

Blogger Mark September 15, 2015 6:09 PM  

When I called her on this, PNH simply blocked me. TNH has suddenly engaged my question:

"@tnielsenhayden So are you saying this because @pnh has higher consequences for slander? Or is Tor just fine slandering employees now?"

https://twitter.com/emarkp/status/643446171487199232

Since TNH isn't paid by Tor, she can't get fired for lying about Tor employees. PNH knows he can't get away with that.

Blogger Dystopic September 15, 2015 6:10 PM  

PNH has a certain look to him. You can tell he is unhinged and narcissistic just by his appearance. I have no idea why Macmillan thought it was a good idea to hire and promote this man.

Anonymous MrGreenMan September 15, 2015 6:20 PM  

"Did JCW not warn you how many witnesses were within earshot of his event-that-didn't-happen?"

Zero that agree with her story?

Blogger Guitar Man September 15, 2015 6:22 PM  

Is there a buzzing noise in here? Anyway, the toad shows rule #1 to be true. They always lie.

OpenID malcolmthecynic September 15, 2015 6:25 PM  

Wow. It's pretty remarkable how blatant the lies are becoming.

Blogger Salt September 15, 2015 6:26 PM  

It's been quite a while now to try and dispute what happened. When people do that, over time, under questioning, it means they're getting desperate. Grasping for straws.

Blogger ScottD September 15, 2015 6:26 PM  

What kind of man is he that he will not defend his wife against someone repeatedly referring to her as the Toad of Tor?

Blogger Josh September 15, 2015 6:31 PM  

Stay strong, big gay Steve.

We have faith in you.

Blogger Salt September 15, 2015 6:31 PM  

@14 Ribbitt

Blogger P.T. Barnumium September 15, 2015 6:32 PM  

Hi Milo

Blogger Ron September 15, 2015 6:32 PM  

One tweet the other day, one tweet just now and Regina bufo alvarius has blocked me. Dissent is not permitted.

Blogger Kull September 15, 2015 6:34 PM  

Wow, all this weird shit going on. Have the flying monkeys in residence at Making Light been released? Vox struck a nerve. Then he choke slammed it, paused to write a few paragraphs for A Sea of Skulls, then threw cold water on its face and worked it over some more. Or is all this weirdness from one of that one stalker guy?

Blogger Guitar Man September 15, 2015 6:35 PM  

Rob, unlike VD and most of the ilk, SJWs can't take anything that goes against their narrative.

Anonymous Long time reader, first time poster September 15, 2015 6:37 PM  

Are we being raided by Louis CK?

Anonymous WaterBoy September 15, 2015 6:38 PM  

Some drug-addled doper who likes to sniff his own farts...before they all drift away on the admin's breeze.

Anonymous Steve, The Dark Ninja of Mockery September 15, 2015 6:38 PM  

What kind of man is he that he will not defend his wife against someone repeatedly referring to her as the Toad of Tor?

A realist?

Blogger Were-Puppy September 15, 2015 6:40 PM  

If you change the hair and add certain glasses, that would look like Ben Franklin.

Blogger Daniel September 15, 2015 6:41 PM  

She's an editor, see? Reshaping the narrative is her specialty! You should see the wonders she has done with the original Star Wars movie! It is amazing.

She's also the body double for the Death Star.

Blogger Blume September 15, 2015 6:41 PM  

Amen.

Anonymous patrick kelly September 15, 2015 6:42 PM  

@16

Yeah, lot's of bat-shit-crazy stuff today. I followed some links to where the trollz live, and no, it's not an act, they're bat-shit-crazy there also.

Blogger Josh September 15, 2015 6:43 PM  

She's also the body double for the Death Star.

That's no moon...

Blogger Ron September 15, 2015 6:45 PM  

@22 Even BGS wouldn't tap that.

Anonymous 334 September 15, 2015 6:46 PM  

Echo that. What a day. But the TNH photos are pushing it over the edge ...

Anonymous patrick kelly September 15, 2015 6:46 PM  

Is that what this song is about? :

BBC

That's lot's of BBC....

Anonymous 334 September 15, 2015 6:48 PM  

... AAAAAAND right on cue!

Anonymous patrick kelly September 15, 2015 6:50 PM  

Someone please release the Krackensessez !!

Anonymous WaterBoy September 15, 2015 6:52 PM  

Vox: "The fact of the matter is that contra the Toad's lying, the Senior Editor at Tor Books, Patrick Nielsen Hayden, did raise his voice, he did shout at a woman, he did tell her to tell her husband, a Tor Books author, to "stick it up his ass", and he did shout about "blood libel" to a Jewish woman. He is an unprofessional and verbally abusive man."

All of which is most likely in violation of the convention's Code of Conduct. So, are all those SJW's clamoring for such codes willing to hold Sasquan to account for not sufficiently policing their con?

Blogger Lana J September 15, 2015 6:52 PM  

@31 about two days too late.

Blogger Sjonnar September 15, 2015 6:54 PM  

Wow, these SJWs sure are mature, what with spamming "Big Black Cock" over and over again on someone else's blog. Clearly, these are the intelligent and thoughtful adults I've heard so much about.

BTW, i took a screenshot in case they try denying it later, if anyone needs it for documentation purposes.

Blogger Guitar Man September 15, 2015 6:55 PM  

MacMillan was not the most organized company from my experience.

Anonymous WaterBoy September 15, 2015 6:56 PM  

Or is that perhaps why TNH is so desperate to change the narrative...as it could lead to permanent banning from all future WorldCons for the accused?

Anonymous 334 September 15, 2015 6:58 PM  

@39. Sjonnar

You're missing a spaceband, Spooner. Starting to lose it now, bud.

Anonymous BGS September 15, 2015 6:58 PM  

Blogger Josh September 15, 2015 6:31 PM Stay strong, big gay Steve.We have faith in you.

This is my first post on the thread.

Blogger SirHamster (#201) September 15, 2015 6:59 PM  

Wow, these SJWs sure are mature, what with spamming "Big Black Cock" over and over again on someone else's blog.

Not an SJW, AFAIK. Some guy is off his meds and trying to be a nuisance. Just happens to be spamming the top thread.

Blogger Rico Suave September 15, 2015 6:59 PM  

Are they trying to summon Milo?

Blogger Michelle *VFM #311* September 15, 2015 6:59 PM  

Someone should contact the ADL on them to call them out in public. LOL.

Blogger Ron September 15, 2015 7:00 PM  

@Sjonnar That's not all their doing most of the VD posts are not him either, even the seemingly innocuous ones. It's a rare occasion that he posts with out VD or Vox being a link.

Blogger Sjonnar September 15, 2015 7:02 PM  

@39 334

You're missing a spaceband, Spooner. Starting to lose it now, bud.

I don't get the reference.

Blogger Ron September 15, 2015 7:05 PM  

I will not feed the trolls...
I will not feed the trolls...
I will not feed the trolls...


Aww, to hell with it. Will some give the troll what he keeps asking for? #diversityinaction

Blogger Trooper York September 15, 2015 7:06 PM  

Who are these people who keep posting their Christmas list?

Blogger Salt September 15, 2015 7:07 PM  

Markku, is it midnight yet where you are? Is buffoon day over yet?

Blogger Lana J September 15, 2015 7:11 PM  

It's one thing to be reluctant to reprimand or fire an employee over an online Hugo award dispute. It wouldn't surprise me in a good many employers. However, the outrageous insults toward their own potential customers and authors are going to hit the bottom line which should be a completely different matter altogether. Add to that PNH's disgraceful behavior toward one of his own authors in order to attack another of his authors and at an awards ceremony directly related to the business side of the company. It boggles the mind that no one has fired him at this point.

Blogger VD September 15, 2015 7:11 PM  

Don't worry about it, we've got it under control.

Anonymous Soga September 15, 2015 7:12 PM  

@38 Not an SJW, AFAIK. Some guy is off his meds and trying to be a nuisance. Just happens to be spamming the top thread.

I dunno, it seems like a SJW that finally lost that little, tiny sliver of sanity she had in the cobweb-packed cavity of her head. And having snapped, the SJW is going crazy (ok, crazier), violating her own people's Narrative and posting racist, sexist remarks about colored males' cis-genitals.

Vox does have that effect on people, you see. Especially SJWs.

Anonymous Huckleberry September 15, 2015 7:13 PM  

Did @tnh just kill her Twitter? It's pretty much blank now except for one tweet from 2007

Blogger Josh September 15, 2015 7:14 PM  

Did @tnh just kill her Twitter? It's pretty much blank now except for one tweet from 2007

She's @tnielsenhayden

Blogger Salt September 15, 2015 7:15 PM  

@49 I'm now blocked.

Blogger Jim Rizzi September 15, 2015 7:21 PM  

She blocked me after one message. That's just who they are.

Anonymous Andrew September 15, 2015 7:22 PM  

I'm going to do my best to make sure my library no longer selects any TOR books for new purchases. These lying toads can eat it.

Blogger Lana J September 15, 2015 7:22 PM  

Nope, her twitter account is still up and she's posting as we speak. However she's getting a good bit of unwanted attention:

tnielsenhayden ‏@tnielsenhayden 2m2 minutes ago
So far, "Open link in new tab" is the fastest way to block multiple Puppy twitter accounts. It's like they're lining up to volunteer.

Turns out I have never said a word to her on Twitter, but I was already blocked by her. Weird.

Anonymous Scintan September 15, 2015 7:26 PM  

Well, she's nothing if not obsessed:

tnielsenhayden ‏@tnielsenhayden Sep 13

The Puppies' "good storytelling" = "Nothing in this story got snagged on my brain as it was passing through."


tnielsenhayden ‏@tnielsenhayden 5m5 minutes ago

So far, "Open link in new tab" is the fastest way to block multiple Puppy twitter accounts. It's like they're lining up to volunteer.
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tnielsenhayden ‏@tnielsenhayden 57m57 minutes ago

I wish Twitter gave me the option of blocking everyone with the "We don't care" icon. It would save time and tedium.


I think it's very brave of her to block everyone who's not a part of her echo chamber. Without that sort of bravery, divergent opinions might appear.

Blogger Anthony Gillis, the Hydra-Headed Mockery September 15, 2015 7:26 PM  

The Nielsen Haydens are both examples of how corrupt and abusive the culture of big publishing has gotten. Patrick bullies his indentured TOR authors, and so did James Frenkel (for years) before he got fired for sexual harassment.

Meanwhile, besides her behavior at TOR itself, Theresa had a second life as the cyberbully hapisofi. She spent years making very cruel sport of the more naive, timid-souled (and usually female) sort of aspiring writers on places like AbsoluteWrite.

So now she's finally snapping? I'd shed some crocodile tears, but it seems I'm all out.

Blogger Salt September 15, 2015 7:28 PM  

It's amazing what you can find with the advanced twitter search.

Anonymous Huckleberry September 15, 2015 7:41 PM  

Got it.
Much obliged.

Blogger Cataline Sergius September 15, 2015 7:42 PM  

The fact that she waited for three weeks before mentioning that, "oh yes, Jagi Lamplighter Wright tried to glass up my dear sweet Patrick with a broken beer bottle," tells you its a lie.

She would have happily added that little nugget to their Victory Parade the night of the Hugos. It is fundamentally impossible for her to have kept quiet about it that long.

Blogger Eric September 15, 2015 7:51 PM  

She's also the body double for the Death Star.

That's no moon...

Its a TRAP!!!

Anonymous fish September 15, 2015 7:51 PM  

The fact that she waited for three weeks before mentioning that, "oh yes, Jagi Lamplighter Wright tried to glass up my dear sweet Patrick with a broken beer bottle,"

DAFUQ?

Blogger ajw308 (#98) September 15, 2015 7:54 PM  

It's amazing what you can find with the advanced twitter search.
Mining lies amongst the most motley crowd of pedo's and rapists ever seen.

Blogger James Dixon September 15, 2015 7:58 PM  

> She would have happily added that little nugget to their Victory Parade the night of the Hugos. It is fundamentally impossible for her to have kept quiet about it that long.

Not just her. It would have been all over Twitter.

Blogger Were-Puppy September 15, 2015 7:59 PM  

@48 Soga
@38 Not an SJW, AFAIK. Some guy is off his meds and trying to be a nuisance. Just happens to be spamming the top thread.

I dunno, it seems like a SJW that finally lost that little, tiny sliver of sanity she had in the cobweb-packed cavity of her head. And having snapped, the SJW is going crazy (ok, crazier), violating her own people's Narrative and posting racist, sexist remarks about colored males' cis-genitals.

Vox does have that effect on people, you see. Especially SJWs.
---

I thought this one had a message from God for only Vox to hear.

Blogger James Dixon September 15, 2015 7:59 PM  

Hmm. Your comment we be visible after moderation? Things must really be getting bad.

Blogger SciVo September 15, 2015 8:01 PM  

@ BGS: "This is my first post on the thread."

There was an obvious trigger in the OP, which good on you for resisting.

Blogger Markku September 15, 2015 8:03 PM  

Yeah, we have a situation. A bona fide case of insanity. If you thought GG was bad, you have seen nothing.

Blogger Eric September 15, 2015 8:06 PM  

Hmm. Your comment we be visible after moderation? Things must really be getting bad.

oh good. I thought it was just me...

Anonymous Godfrey September 15, 2015 8:10 PM  

Proposed potential Fourth Law of SJW's

SJW's never apologize.


Do these people EVER self-reflect? Are they incapable of the tiniest amount of self-reflection?

I'm a flawed man. I've been guilty of all of the seven deadly sins. And I've especially been guilty of wrath. I struggle with it all the time. I've raised my voice in anger. It's disappointing. It's counter-productive. It's a flaw. The man should apologize and ask for forgiveness.


Blogger Josh September 15, 2015 8:13 PM  

Proposed potential Fourth Law of SJW's

SJW's never apologize.


I think that's converted under SJWs always project.

Blogger SciVo September 15, 2015 8:17 PM  

@ Godfrey:

"Never apologize" is contained in "always double down."

Anonymous Adam1 September 15, 2015 8:17 PM  

@ 69.Yep, I was in the wrong for feeding the troll. It`s the nutters who drive you nuts. Sorry.

Blogger SirHamster (#201) September 15, 2015 8:22 PM  

@Soga

I don't think "Carson is the One True Conservative Appointed by God" is a very SJW-y cause, but YMMV. Also, don't SJWs usually belong to some "popular" warren somewhere? This one is more of a lone crazy.


Proposed potential Fourth Law of SJW's
SJW's never apologize.
---------------
I think that's converted under SJWs always project.


And covered by SJWs Always Double Down. Instead of apologizing, or even just stopping the lies, they double down.

Blogger Josh September 15, 2015 8:26 PM  

And covered by SJWs Always Double Down.

Yeah, that's the one I meant.

Blogger SciVo September 15, 2015 8:27 PM  

@ Eric: "oh good. I thought it was just me..."

I will admit to mentally reviewing my recent comments before realizing it was an anti-spam measure.

Blogger Jim Rizzi September 15, 2015 8:31 PM  

Haha, Tor dot com is currently looking for a "Publicity Coordinator." I followed the link over to Macmillan so that I could apply for the position.

I think I have a good chance, too! I told them I was good at insulting customers and that I was capable of calling the books they publish "bad-to-reprehensible." I also let them know that I understand that they are an anti-Semitic company, which shows I've done my homework.

So I figure the job's pretty much in the bag. Wish me luck!

Anonymous BGS September 15, 2015 8:32 PM  

I'm a flawed man. I've been guilty of all of the seven deadly sins. And I've especially been guilty of wrath

Didn't you hear Wrath is called activism now? Envy is social justice & lust is liberation.

Blogger Kull September 15, 2015 8:40 PM  

Are you an active man? In shape? We don't want it hurting your chances. We need funyons here, stat! I will stuff them into a calzone for you. We are all depending on you Jim!

OpenID basementhomebrewer September 15, 2015 8:40 PM  

I suspect that maybe Macmillan has finally launched an investigation into what exactly is going on at TOR. The questions are starting to get uncomfortable so TNH is trying to run interference and by extension the asylum has been let loose on the internet.

If Macmillan decides to clean house the wailing in the warren will be truly epic.

If they stay their hand :shrug: it's only a matter of time before the Toadly Two-Some step in it again. They can't help themselves. Eventually an Exec at Macmillian will get tired of dealing with the drama.

Blogger ScottD September 15, 2015 8:41 PM  

There is no way that the Toad doesn't resent the fact that @pnh has to hide behind her skirts (although she could easily hide the entire nation of Luxembourg), and he has to be secretly ashamed that he has put her in this situation and is too cowardly to defend her. No matter what they tell each other, this resentment and self-loathing will eat away at them.

Blogger grendel September 15, 2015 8:43 PM  

Toad is afraid that if pnh gets fired McBanny won't let them pitch a tent on his lawn.

Blogger VD September 15, 2015 8:44 PM  

If they stay their hand :shrug: it's only a matter of time before the Toadly Two-Some step in it again. They can't help themselves. Eventually an Exec at Macmillian will get tired of dealing with the drama.

Precisely. And it's not like Tor's sales are growing.

Blogger Jack Ward September 15, 2015 8:47 PM  

@73 I had proposed #4 as 'The Ends always justify the Means' I could concede your 4 and raise to 5.

Blogger Floyd Looney September 15, 2015 8:53 PM  

Tor officials attacking their own writers, you would think MacMillan would have done something by now.

Anonymous VFM #0046 September 15, 2015 8:55 PM  

The man should apologize and ask for forgiveness.

SJWs double down because they always project. At least in this instance.

What would Nielsen-Hayden do if Vox apologized? He'd take it as a sign of weakness and use it as a weapon to increase the pressure. Therefore, he knows, in spite of the facts, that we will do the same.

From his perspective, no matter how hard things get, he has no choice but to double down. That's not even accounting for what the other SJWs will do if he shows weakness. And he's certainly accounting for it.

Blogger Were-Puppy September 15, 2015 9:11 PM  

@55 Scintan
Well, she's nothing if not obsessed:

tnielsenhayden ‏@tnielsenhayden Sep 13

The Puppies' "good storytelling" = "Nothing in this story got snagged on my brain as it was passing through."
----

She reads like a kinder, gentler Irene Gallo. Smearing Tor authors, customers, etc. Seems like something a company would not want to be happening from an ex employee.

Blogger Anthony Gillis, the Hydra-Headed Mockery September 15, 2015 9:16 PM  

@59
@63

Definitely. The delay shows it is a narrative they crafted, whether via actual calculated planning, or via their collective loony echo chamber. If something had really happened that would have even semi-clearly made poor Toadessa an anointed victim... well, I think it would be far beyond Twitter now, and quite possibly in the slimy hands of the mainstream media.

Blogger Anthony Gillis, the Hydra-Headed Mockery September 15, 2015 9:17 PM  

Another sign she must be cracking is the very fact that she's taking on hard targets like Vox and the VFM. She's used to people who, for various reasons, can't or won't effectively fight back.

Blogger Doom September 15, 2015 9:18 PM  

I must admit, from what I am seeing in her acts, and from what I have seen of her kind in the past, this is a sign that all is not well. For her. She doesn't understand, and what she wrote is something between an olive branch and a plea... Remember, these types are very ill. Confused, evil, powermad, delusional... In the past, when I have seen them do this, if this is what I think, they are in serious trouble, probably from several sources, and their usual means of escape, says tears, or commands/demands, or allies, or hate... just isn't working. Sometimes I even sense that they near the truth. She will continue to deny it, no matter what happens. She has chosen her side, and it is everything, anything, but the truth.

Just how I see things. Could be wrong. If she was a liberal woman I was after, I would know from this behavior that she would be mind to take or leave. I smell surrender, at least as the delusional offer it.

Anonymous The other robot September 15, 2015 10:03 PM  

They probably have a diversity problem as well, what with so many fat white people here.

Blogger SciVo September 15, 2015 10:09 PM  

@ Jack Ward: "I had proposed #4 as 'The Ends always justify the Means'"

Yours would be better phrased as "SJWs Have No Scruples," because that would encompass their private lives. My own candidate is "SJWs Are Never Satisfied," which encompasses both their entryism and their tendency to eat their own.

Blogger Rabbi B September 15, 2015 10:14 PM  

"Someone should contact the ADL on them to call them out in public. LOL."

In the works. We have multiple incidents now. They were duly warned.

Blogger Rabbi B September 15, 2015 10:15 PM  

"Someone should contact the ADL on them to call them out in public. LOL."

In the works. We have multiple incidents now. They were duly warned.

Blogger Rabbi B September 15, 2015 10:16 PM  

Woops. May have posted twice. It looks like an extra hurdle is now in effect.

Blogger Cataline Sergius September 15, 2015 10:17 PM  

I suppose MacMillian was willing to leave well enough alone at Tor. Yes, it was losing market share but so is everyone else. While the income was steady, it didn't matter.

Editors are supposed to be representatives of the company they work for. They need to look respectable and dignified. Project a certain amount of gravitas.

Editors aren't supposed to get into political pissing matches in public and drag the company along for the ride. And they certainly aren't supposed certainly aren't supposed to scream antisemitic rhetoric at the wives of authors.

Whether or not MacMillan is a left wing nest (likely it is) they have to be getting tired of the Nielsen-Hayden Festival of Stupidity.

Anonymous The other robot September 15, 2015 10:23 PM  

Political correctness is just respect, says a poofter at the WaPo.

Blogger F. Axe #437 September 15, 2015 10:33 PM  

I am very excited to see our enemies driven before us.

Anonymous SS September 15, 2015 10:42 PM  

Seems like something a company would not want to be happening from an ex employee.

Or the very much publicly known spouse of a current employee.

Anonymous Anonymous Something September 15, 2015 10:59 PM  

And gluttony is part of a good body image #haes. Anyone want to take pride, sloth, and greed?

Blogger BunE22 September 16, 2015 12:02 AM  

Darn it, I'm late to the party. What did I miss? Comments here or on twitter? And does TNH live in Brooklyn, NY? That's not far from me.

Blogger Ragin' Dave September 16, 2015 12:07 AM  

I've been blocked by the Toad of Tor, and I think I only re-tweeted one of Vox's tweets.

Real "tolerant" folks there, ain't they? Disgusting pukes.

Anonymous Whitey McWhite September 16, 2015 1:07 AM  

SJWs always double down -- but not the people that pay their bills. Macmillan doesn't have an interest in these confrontations, even if the Nielsen Haydens feel that they do.

Blogger James Higham September 16, 2015 1:54 AM  

Seems to me these people drag us into their agendas. I never engage directly.

Anonymous Ezra Pound September 16, 2015 2:04 AM  

vox,
perhaps you have heard of the recent debacle in US poetry publishing? the "best american [read: US] poetry 2015" anthology included a poem by "Yi-Fen Chou, which turns out to be a Chinese pseudonym used by a white male poet named Michael Derrick Hudson." Hudson states he received 20 rejections before submitting the poem under this pseudonym. it was then published after 9 more rejections. the editor, sherman alexie, kept the poem in the anthology. his comments--including selection criteria--are here:
http://blog.bestamericanpoetry.com/the_best_american_poetry/2015/09/like-most-every-poet-i-have-viewed-the-publication-of-each-years-best-american-poetry-with-happiness-i-love-that-poem-je-1.html
thought you might be interested--and even though it made the NYT, not sure if you keep up on the poetry scene.

while i'm at it, thank you for the umberto eco translations.

Anonymous Forrest Bishop VFM #0167 September 16, 2015 2:43 AM  

tnielsenhayden ‏@tnielsenhayden
@voxday Did JCW not warn you how many witnesses were within earshot of his event-that-didn't-happen? Now you both look like idiots. @pnh


Hey wadeaminute. If an event did not happen, how could even one witness have been within earshot of it? Did JCW create some sort of quantum zen field for this?

Anonymous Giuseppe The Kurgan September 16, 2015 3:24 AM  

I can't wait for PNH to be fired out of Tor on his fat arse. I even held back my own lone savager of fat bastards instinct to give the ELoE the opportunity to do things in their own more measured way. But I am eager for the results of his stupidity to finally come crashing on his head

Anonymous Giuseppe The Kurgan September 16, 2015 3:25 AM  

Eh...still being moderated. I hope the troll-fest dies down soon

Blogger rho September 16, 2015 4:11 AM  

Simple question: why is VD's blog limited to google's tools?

Blogger VD September 16, 2015 4:40 AM  

Simple question: why is VD's blog limited to google's tools?

Because it works and because converting to a Wordpress blog didn't meet my expectations the two times we tried it years ago.

Anonymous Shut up rabbit September 16, 2015 4:47 AM  

@50. Josh She's @tnielsenhayden

I made the mistake of looking. What a bunch of smug self-righteous twats these people are.

Hey, fatso, the plain simple fact you don't care about your own health makes your opinions on anything else pretty much redundant (except perhaps "most calorific pies"). The fact you openly support child molestation only adds to your irrelevancy to civilised people.

How we ever allowed you a platform I'll never know.

If they did "Bring back bullying" the SJWs would go down in such a tsunami of righteous black and blue pummelings they would regret ever cracking open the protective dyke of civilisation they disparage as "The Patriarchy".

Blogger rho September 16, 2015 4:52 AM  

Because it works and because converting to a Wordpress blog didn't meet my expectations the two times we tried it years ago.

1. I'm not so sure it works.

2. Why is Wordpress your go-to alternate?

Blogger Peter P. VFM #438 September 16, 2015 5:24 AM  

They can double down all they want. We don't care.

Anonymous Agent J September 16, 2015 5:51 AM  

MacMillan could end all this by absorbing TOR and jettisoning a handful of employees who were no longer needed.

Blogger Daniel September 16, 2015 7:15 AM  

A short term strategic problem with jettisoning outright is the "traditional publisher advantage narrative."

If they dump too much ballast at once instead of relying on quieter, natural attrition, it will upset their narrative that traditional is better because a collective produces more quality than individuals.

Traditional publishers are a bank, a distributor, a printer and a mass marketer, in that order, but to get author-suppliers, they also must maintain a veneer of competitive quality.

Blogger Gaiseric ! September 16, 2015 8:05 AM  

MacMillan could end all this by absorbing TOR and jettisoning a handful of employees who were no longer needed.

That seems excessive, unless you take it as a given that the brand name of Tor is completely worthless. I doubt that that's true.

Anonymous David Of One September 16, 2015 9:42 AM  

From what I have seen and heard regarding TOR's leadership and staff it would seem that TOR as a brand for promoting author's and selling books is over. It isn't a "matter of time" ... it is over.

No business dependent upon public perception can survive when the leadership and staff use the business as their own personal sandbox and shitting all over the business and authors. In doing so they've shit on themselves and their customers.

I could certainly go on but the fact is that SJWs have used TOR for an agenda that has left crap overflowing out their little sandbox at the expense of the business and their customers.

No Author with any good sense want's their name associated with crap filled craniums spewing forth constantly and turning the business and brand rat and rabble infested sandbox shit.

After all that the leadership and staff have done in turning a business into a turd filled sandbox ... the view of TOR in the rear-view mirror is R O T.

Blogger jon spencer September 16, 2015 9:52 AM  

If the profits are up and growing, companies will excuse just about anything.
Major publishing houses earnings and profits are not trending to extend a excuse to anyone.

Blogger Travis Landenwitsch September 16, 2015 9:58 AM  

David of One, can you back up anything in your post?

Blogger Gaiseric ! September 16, 2015 10:24 AM  

No, of course he can't. A few people of more radical bent (like many posters here, myself included) may feel that way about Tor, but not the run of the mill potential SFF reader. Not yet.

And even I would love to see the brand rehabilitated rather than burned down. It's not nearly so far gone as that. Heck; two or three firings, assuming that they were replaced with competent people, could turn it around still.

Anonymous David Of One September 16, 2015 10:37 AM  

118. Travis Landenwitsch
David of One, can you back up anything in your post?

You mean an employee of a business verbally attacking an Author and his Wife in front of witnesses?

Or do you mean unbridled social media comments even by spouses of employees? Employees are not immune to the consequences of social media comments or even made by their bestest toads ... especially the further up the leadership/management food chain of those in the business?

Or perhaps, like myself, I am a customer/reader of an author and I don't care for politics and social behaviors of SJWs in all facets of life ... especially when it comes to witnessed public verbal attacks against that author?

Unprofessional and ideological based social misbehaviors such as these are the basis of my opinion.

"Challenges" are not a magic bullet ... in light of the history and evidence it risks one to be ignorant and/or intentionally obtuse to any subject being discussed.

Blogger Travis Landenwitsch September 16, 2015 10:48 AM  

David the One,

No I mean when you said authors no longer want to work with TOR. Or that TOR is not longer selling books and promoting authors. True they might have turned on one of their authors, but that hardly constitutes all. Even turning on your own author isn't necessarily a bad decision if it doesn't hurt the bottom line. Which we haven't seen yet, one way or another.

Blogger Gaiseric ! September 16, 2015 11:00 AM  

@121 Travis Landenswitsh: Add to that the idea that Tor's brand is so completely tarnished with its target market that its best just to dissolve the company and absorb it back into MacMillan, because the brand has no equity worth preserving. I'd like to see some back-up for that assertion.

Tor has a handful of bad employees. Against all reason, those bad employees remain with Tor. This is bad news. But it's not the worst thing in the world, and its not the end game for Tor. They're not going to go down in flames because PNH is a jerk.

The assertions come across as a lot of personal grudginess combined with some wishful thinking.

Blogger VD September 16, 2015 11:06 AM  

True they might have turned on one of their authors, but that hardly constitutes all. Even turning on your own author isn't necessarily a bad decision if it doesn't hurt the bottom line. Which we haven't seen yet, one way or another.

They've turned on at least four so far. Including two of their top ten best-selling authors.

Anonymous David Of One September 16, 2015 11:15 AM  

Travis Landenwitsch,

I think I better understand the context of your question now.

I didn't say author's didn't want to work with TOR or that TOR is no longer selling books and promoting authors.

What I did express in my opinion that no author would want their name to be associated a business that verbally attacks authors in front of witnesses as well as unbridled comments on social media. In my opinion that turns the business into the personal litter box of SJWs who indulge themselves at the expense of the business' clients and customers.

Anonymous Nathan September 16, 2015 11:25 AM  

Not to mention Tor.com's full embrace of the full spectrum of diversity of bodies at the expense of diversity of thought.

I think it will take a few years for Tor to really be damaged by their actions, as far as being a house to flee from. They got Sanderson solely on the prestige of publishing Wheel of Time and other fantasies in the nineties. However, that was prior to their current madness of the past five years, and the rumors, never substantiated quite to my satisfaction, that Tor was sitting on submissions that weren't leftist enough. Now? We shall see.

As it is currently constituted, however, Tor is finished. Although Star Wars: Aftermath was Disney and not Tor, it showed that SJW tastes do not match the public's.

Blogger Travis Landenwitsch September 16, 2015 11:28 AM  

David of One,

Thanks for clarifying.

Blogger Gaiseric ! September 16, 2015 11:34 AM  

@ 125 Nathan: As it is currently constituted, however, Tor is finished. Although Star Wars: Aftermath was Disney and not Tor, it showed that SJW tastes do not match the public's.

Did it? I certainly passed, but I haven't seen much in the way of commentary or sales or anything else that would imply that it fell flat.

Anonymous Nathan September 16, 2015 11:51 AM  

40% 1 star reviews, with a majority of complaints about the writing. And typically SJWs sell style instead of story, as ESR noted in his column on Sad Puppies 2. The author of Aftermath, Wendig is responding to the complaints with all the grace of the Hugo Awards ceremony and a false flag of diversity posturing.

Now, it's Star Wars, so a flop will sell more than most SFF books, period, but the audience is not happy with the book.

Blogger JohnR219 September 16, 2015 12:05 PM  

If PNH is fired, how would this affect Scalzi's contract?

Blogger Gaiseric ! September 16, 2015 12:31 PM  

@ Nathan: I'm glad to hear that, actually. That needs to happen, even more loudly and even more often. With any luck, the success of the Puppies will serve as a launchpad for more people to complain about the crap that's being served up.

I'm cautiously optimistic about the new movie, but it has subtle tells of being the Diversity Star Wars (now with less white males!) which I hope is just my native pessimism. But I have little faith in either Lucasfilm or their parent company, so who knows?

Blogger SirHamster (#201) September 16, 2015 2:51 PM  

If PNH is fired, how would this affect Scalzi's contract?

Depends entirely on the contract's non-public terms. IOW, we don't know. TOR could have bought options to Scalzi's future books, with the right to decline at some financial penalty, or on some other performance metrics.

If Scalzi had a good lawyer or is a good negotiator, his contract shouldn't depend on PNH being at TOR.

Blogger Dennis Freeman September 16, 2015 4:08 PM  

All anyone has to ever say in response to the *Puppies argument is "Redshirts won the Hugo," Go read Redshirts (tm) then go read literally anything by any pre-1984 Hugo winner, and tell me that Redshirts + Hugo = Sanity.

Blogger VD September 16, 2015 4:12 PM  

If PNH is fired, how would this affect Scalzi's contract?

I can't imagine it would have any effect at all.

OpenID basementhomebrewer September 16, 2015 4:24 PM  

@ 131 In addition PNH may throw a tantrum and claim that Scalzi is coming with him. The funny part will come when PNH turns around and finds that Scalzi isn't goose stepping out the door with him.

Blogger LP999/S.I.G. September 16, 2015 7:02 PM  

Mr. and Mrs. Wright are not liars, they told the truth of their mistreatment regarding an encounter.

Anonymous Amok Time September 16, 2015 11:20 PM  

This sounds like a bad plot to a detective novel of the 1950's. I am sure there is a body in this somewhere. The SJWs are running scared. The Nielsens will lose their empire and their source of income. Which is what others lose when they lie and attack them. Comeuppance is a lovely flower.

Anonymous Koanic September 17, 2015 6:00 AM  

Let's address the elephant in the room: "She's" begun to fancy a romp. Cans of spam passionately jostled from larder shelves; riding dirty double on the mobility scooter...

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